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UK and North American politics. => A look at British politics in the light of the decision to leave the EU. => Topic started by: Holly Goodhead on April 04, 2020, 07:41:24 PM
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Congratulations!
At least a decent leader to oppose the Tories. I say this as a lifelong Tory but its good to have decent opposition to keep the Tories in check.
Have we ever had a leader of the opposition who was a Sir prior to appointment?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keir_Starmer
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Interesting article.
https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/03/keir-starmer-sensible-radical
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Has Sir Keir explained what are the serious mistakes made by the government with regard the current crisis, and what he thinks should have been done differently?
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Has Sir Keir explained what are the serious mistakes made by the government with regard the current crisis, and what he thinks should have been done differently?
What happened to good ol’ Keir ?
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Has Sir Keir explained what are the serious mistakes made by the government with regard the current crisis, and what he thinks should have been done differently?
Keir Starmer told Sky News ...
“What’s important is we support the government where that’s the right thing to do but ask the difficult questions,” he said on Sunday.
"We ask the difficult questions not to score party political points, not just because we can but so we can point out what we think are errors so that they can be put right.
"An example would be testing. I think the government was in a mess over testing last week. They've not set a target and our job is to support them in getting to that target.
"But in pointing out mistakes and errors, we hope those mistakes and errors can be put right."
https://news.sky.com/story/new-labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-puts-unrelenting-focus-on-winning-next-election-11968866
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Keir Starmer told Sky News ...
“What’s important is we support the government where that’s the right thing to do but ask the difficult questions,” he said on Sunday.
"We ask the difficult questions not to score party political points, not just because we can but so we can point out what we think are errors so that they can be put right.
"An example would be testing. I think the government was in a mess over testing last week. They've not set a target and our job is to support them in getting to that target.
"But in pointing out mistakes and errors, we hope those mistakes and errors can be put right."
https://news.sky.com/story/new-labour-leader-sir-keir-starmer-puts-unrelenting-focus-on-winning-next-election-11968866
I’d love to know he would have managed testing if he’d been put in charge a month ago. Perhaps the government should call his bluff and give him full responsibility for sorting it out.
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Glad to see he’s cleared out the cabinet of most of Corbyn’s acolytes.
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Congratulations!
At least a decent leader to oppose the Tories. I say this as a lifelong Tory but its good to have decent opposition to keep the Tories in check.
Have we ever had a leader of the opposition who was a Sir prior to appointment?
Is the labour party not supposed to be from the people for the people? First phoney Tony and his mortally corrupt crew now we have a SIR... He stuck his EU flag to the mast... a re moaner one of them who wanted a second referendum. Let us see if he is an independent thinker!
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Congratulations for what? Who did he beat and for what?
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Glad to see he’s cleared out the cabinet of most of Corbyn’s acolytes.
Angela Rayner ? Jon Ashworth ?
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I’d love to know he would have managed testing if he’d been put in charge a month ago. Perhaps the government should call his bluff and give him full responsibility for sorting it out.
I don't think he is the type to ignore the writing on the wall as previous governments obviously have done http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=94.0 but from that starting point I think now is not the time to be 'sorting it out' the time for preparing to do so has been squandered.
I think the best that Starmer can do is as he says, to support the government when he thinks it is appropriate to do so and to make the case when it is not. To do that adequately he must be kept up to speed with developments and options as they occur in this time of National emergency.
Does anyone know if there is provision for the leader of the opposition to be included in that?
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Is the labour party not supposed to be from the people for the people? First phoney Tony and his mortally corrupt crew now we have a SIR... He stuck his EU flag to the mast... a re moaner one of them who wanted a second referendum. Let us see if he is an independent thinker!
Starmer’s mother was a nurse and father a toolmaker...you don’t get much more working class than that. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps and made the most of his chances.
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I don't think he is the type to ignore the writing on the wall as previous governments obviously have done http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=94.0 but from that starting point I think now is not the time to be 'sorting it out' the time for preparing to do so has been squandered.
I think the best that Starmer can do is as he says, to support the government when he thinks it is appropriate to do so and to make the case when it is not. To do that adequately he must be kept up to speed with developments and options as they occur in this time of National emergency.
Does anyone know if there is provision for the leader of the opposition to be included in that?
I believe those wheels are already in motion.
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Congratulations for what? Who did he beat and for what?
Keir Starmer has been elected as the new leader of the Opposition, Eleanor, replacing Jeremy Corbyn.
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I believe those wheels are already in motion.
Time to share the blame 😛
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Time to share the blame 😛
My thoughts exactly.
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I don't think he is the type to ignore the writing on the wall as previous governments obviously have done http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=94.0 but from that starting point I think now is not the time to be 'sorting it out' the time for preparing to do so has been squandered.
I think the best that Starmer can do is as he says, to support the government when he thinks it is appropriate to do so and to make the case when it is not. To do that adequately he must be kept up to speed with developments and options as they occur in this time of National emergency.
Does anyone know if there is provision for the leader of the opposition to be included in that?
He has already been invited and accepted the invitation I believe, something Corbyn was not interested in doing.
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He has already been invited and accepted the invitation I believe, something Corbyn was not interested in doing.
Move on VS.
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Starmer’s mother was a nurse and father a toolmaker...you don’t get much more working class than that. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps and made the most of his chances.
I aso am Working Class, although you might be forgiven for missing that. I got no help from my family. But that is another story.
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Starmer’s mother was a nurse and father a toolmaker...you don’t get much more working class than that. He pulled himself up by his bootstraps and made the most of his chances.
There is nothing wrong with that- I applaud it. However, the labour party is awash with academic lefty luvvie agendas, hardly working class issues to be addressed among the mainstream of Political view in the UK.
I would love to be proved wrong!
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There is nothing wrong with that- I applaud it. However, the labour party is awash with academic lefty luvvie agendas, hardly working class issues to be addressed among the mainstream of Political view in the UK.
I would love to be proved wrong!
Agendas such as ?
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Keir Starmer has been elected as the new leader of the Opposition, Eleanor, replacing Jeremy Corbyn.
Yer, I got that. I just wasn't sure for why. I half hoped that some duckhead would win. Silly really because I don't actually care. You can all have it.
My father was Labour to the heart and soul of him and never forgave me for voting Conservative. In fact he left all of his vast accumilalated wealth to my brother. I got not one penny. And if that isn't a laugh and a half then I don't know what is.
It was about Two Million. So much for the Labour Party. My father had three brothers who never married. All mathematicians to the core.
And me as well. But I think they all missed that in some inconsequential Girl Child. They didn't see that I was just the same as them.
Never mind. Manipulating money was always much more fun than actually spending it, although my experience is somewhat limited.
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It is all very boring now so I will treat you all to one of my Blogs.
The dearly beloved Wisteria that I was going to decimate has just stopped me dead in my tracks. It has never had so many flower buds before. Ever.
I always cut it back in January, but too much rain this year. So now I have this awful glory that I cannot kill. Even my hard bitten son can't do this. I said to him today, okay, you do this. You kill all of those lovely cascading flowers. But even he can't do i
Wisteria is an horrible Weed. Three weeks is all you ever get. But at least this year is going to be a good one.
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The rotten little swine remains utterly dreadful. I have never owned such an awful dog. Or such a sweet one. He is a monster Who loves every body and thinks that everybody loves him.
O'Connor has no conception of wrecking my garden. And i can no longer be asked to care.
I much like a few more of you than You might think i just need to see some good manners of which you are all capable.
I know most of you better than you onow
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Good to see Rebecca Long-Bailey has been given a place in Starmer’s shadow cabinet.
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Good article by a man who has always written alot of sense.
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Labour still tainted by Corbyn’s grim legacy
Sir Keir Starmer has made a bold start but his party won’t be trusted until he turns his back on the deluded hard left
David Aaronovitch
Thursday April 16 2020, 12.00am, The Times
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‘The Labour Party is in turmoil,” wrote the editor of the Labourlist website, Sienna Rodgers, this week. And Ms Rodgers is someone who knows her Labour Party. And readers may wonder how Labour can possibly have the energy to be in turmoil a fortnight into a new leadership and in the middle of a global emergency. Quite easily, as it turns out.
The first thing Sir Keir Starmer did after his victory was to contact Jewish organisations. It was an exercise in thick line-drawing. He apologised for the [ censored word]emitism in Labour’s ranks, committed himself to rooting it out and did it in words that made clear he meant it. No evasive guff about “opposing all forms of racism”. His message was: that was then, this is now.
But a few days later “then” returned with a vengeance.
First, though, a little necessary history. After Jeremy Corbyn was elected Labour leader in 2015 his acolytes struggled to gain control of the party machine. But a failed leadership challenge by moderates the following year enabled his Momentum and trade union allies to gain a majority on the ruling national executive committee (NEC) and to install a hard-left general secretary.
More recently, the Corbyn ascendancy found itself accused of tolerating [ censored word]emitism among some party members. Last year, following a spate of allegations, the Equality and Human Rights Commission opened an investigation into the party.
Which brings us to the extraordinary internal report, probably written by Corbynista staffers, that recently leaked. It’s a blatant attempt to shift the blame for Labour’s failure to tackle [ censored word]emitism from Corbyn and his general secretary Jennie Formby, to the previous leadership of Ed Miliband. It also contains vast amounts of ostensibly private chatter (unredacted) between former Labour staffers hostile to Corbyn, some of which is couched in vivid terms, that has thrilled the hard left. Their websites, alternative media centres and social media accounts have erupted in delighted outrage.
Some of them think it explains the otherwise inexplicable decision of the British people not to choose Mr Corbyn as prime minister. The new Corbynite MP for Coventry South, Zarah Sultana, wrote: “Just think. If it wasn’t for their sabotage, we would have won [the election] in 2017, Jeremy would be PM. But these people [the former Labour staffers] preferred a Tory victory instead.” One Corbynite commentator said the report showed that Labour officials had “actively conspired for the party to lose the 2017 election”, making this “a Watergate moment, not just for Labour but for British politics”. And so on.
In their eagerness to believe such nonsense, these people failed to notice the report’s own preamble that it “thoroughly disproves any suggestion that [ censored word]emitism is not a problem in the party, or that it is all a ‘smear’ or a ‘witch-hunt’. The report’s findings prove the scale of the problem . . .”
The inconvenient truth is that in their heyday the Corbynistas denied there was a problem and insisted it was got up by shadowy forces to “hurt Jeremy”. Some of those complained about were, after all, their dearest and oldest comrades. But as the row deepened and it became obvious that some very rotten apples had infiltrated the barrel, the more pragmatic ones decided to concede that some bad things had been said and done. And their old (and now embarrassing) friends were marched off into noisy oblivion. Now, it seems, the plan is to shift the blame, however improbably, on to the party organisation inherited from Ed Miliband.
This belief in their own virtue is key to the psychology of the hard left. In the short time since their candidate for leader, Rebecca Long Bailey, was trounced by Starmer, they have been desperate to assert that a) her defeat was just a victory cleverly disguised and b) that the new leader still needs them. “Our time will come”, concluded a recent Momentum statement, incidentally echoing a favourite Provisional Sinn Fein slogan from the bad old days. It happens.
Actually, their time has gone. Sir Keir, scarred by the behaviour of Corbyn supporters in his own constituency party and on the NEC, has responded by purging them from practically every position they hold. Of 97 new shadow appointments, almost none are from the Corbyn wing. In this ruthlessness, Starmer has startled me, just as the failure of the Momentum machine to get enough votes for Long Bailey surprised me.
He may have ordered an inquiry into the leaked report but what is becoming evident is that Starmer believes the 2019 election was a 1983-style watershed moment for Labour. The illusions fostered during the Corbyn leadership have dissolved in the acid storm of Boris Johnson’s 80-seat landslide. In the most recent NEC elections the centre left has won ground over the hard left. Reality is starting to bite.
What’s more, the corona crisis changes the political landscape as much as it changes the economic and psychological ones. But not in easily predictable ways. It is useless simply to project old political templates on to the post-pandemic world.
Yesterday, Starmer talked of a “re-evaluation” of our society adding, “clearly, we’re going to have to reimagine our economy”. Yes indeed. But in the circumstances not of a cornucopia of cash available for pet projects and redistribution, but in conditions of recession or low growth. Also, I’d argue, in a situation where the need for transnational co-operation and action has never been more obvious.
If we want a larger, more embracing state sector (which a lot of surprising people now do) to save the economy, and we want effective measures to end low pay without creating mass unemployment, then promising to bash up “the rich”, as the Corbynistas dreamt of doing, won’t cut it. Nor will subsidising middle-class students, nationalising broadband or abolishing universal credit. The country has to discuss moving to a society where most of us pay more in tax, some of it on wealth, to afford to be the post-virus society we aspire to.
But Labour, possibly working with others, can only champion this successfully if people believe that the party is competent. That its leaders solve problems rather than spout slogans. The bring-your-own-loudhailer-and-placard party is over.
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From Matthew Parris article in tomorrow’s Times
“On BBC Radio 4’s Today programme this morning I heard an interview with Labour’s home affairs spokesman, Nick Thomas-Symonds, MP. Discussing the possible ending of lockdown, he told the programme’s Justin Webb that the government “urgently need to start having the conversation with the British public”. So Mr Webb tried to start one: “Do we need to have a conversation about the fact that more people might die as a result of a reduction in restrictions but that we may decide that that is a price we have to pay?” Instantly, Thomas-Symonds ducked. “Well I think that the government’s first duty is always to save lives,” he said, then burbled away on a different subject. Webb gave up”.
So just what ARE Labour (who obviously know much better than the Tories how to manage this crisis) suggesting with regard to the easing of the lockdown? Ease restrictions which will inevitably lead to more deaths or keep us in lockdown until a vaccine or cure has been developed? Same question to all armchair knowitalls.
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What I'm gathering from European media seems to be variations on a phased-in concept.
Everyone on masks (even if home-made). Social distancing rules seem to vary quite a bit, but people will be expected to behave.
Some businesses allowed to open (but not restaurants, bars in most countries for the moment). No mass events for a while.
Austria had a clear plan with letting some types of businesses to restart, then a 2-week wait before letting a few more types to open, and so on. The rationale is that if cases start to soar at any stage, then it would be easier to cut back.
Schools seem to vary widely - not sure they've all thought through how it would work in practice yet.
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What I'm gathering from European media seems to be variations on a phased-in concept.
Everyone on masks (even if home-made). Social distancing rules seem to vary quite a bit, but people will be expected to behave.
Some businesses allowed to open (but not restaurants, bars in most countries for the moment). No mass events for a while.
Austria had a clear plan with letting some types of businesses to restart, then a 2-week wait before letting a few more types to open, and so on. The rationale is that if cases start to soar at any stage, then it would be easier to cut back.
Schools seem to vary widely - not sure they've all thought through how it would work in practice yet.
Several countries have seen a second wave after relaxing controls slightly, the likelihood is the virus will return too later in the year when more deaths will be inevitable. Should we start blaming the government for these deaths now, or wait till they happen, which they will if the lockdown is relaxed?
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Several countries have seen a second wave after relaxing controls slightly, the likelihood is the virus will return too later in the year when more deaths will be inevitable. Should we start blaming the government for these deaths now, or wait till they happen, which they will if the lockdown is relaxed?
Every country is likely to face waves. Hopefully, the UK will be a bit more up to speed. But then there's Brexit that's got to somehow get done, and I really don't see how the civil service will be able to cope with both.
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Several countries have seen a second wave after relaxing controls slightly, the likelihood is the virus will return too later in the year when more deaths will be inevitable. Should we start blaming the government for these deaths now, or wait till they happen, which they will if the lockdown is relaxed?
I'm interested in how Germany will go about it as they ease some restrictions. They handled Covid-19 entirely differently from us right from the beginning and it might even have long term results for them that no one envisaged
https://thepienews.com/news/interest-studying-in-germany-grows-as-covid-19-response-praised/
Their strategy was tracing and testing and grasping the nettle right from the start. Our strengths for protection has lain in that we are an island nation and we couldn't even carry out the basics as far as utilising that advantage was concerned.
I'm blaming the government for the manner in which they downplayed the seriousness of the situation initially. Look no further than Boris Johnson's early sense of urgency https://www.axios.com/boris-johnson-skipped-five-virus-briefings-in-early-days-of-pandemic-968d6e1a-b89a-4ff1-b32d-580b8d51e7db.html in conjunction with what his thoughts were on social distancing for himself and the result of perhaps shaking one hand too many.
I've not yet had the heart to make any detailed comparisons with Germany of the deaths of care home residents and their carers but our figures are I think outstanding enough to raise concern.
Our unpreparedness for the initial arrival of Covid-19 (for which there was plenty of forewarning) and the glaring failures of PPE and testing are issues which I am expecting Keir Starmer to address in calling the government to account.
I think that much is owed to the people who have died as a result and when the lockdown is eased ... as it surely must be at some time in the future I hope the government doesn't do its own thing because I really don't think they are terribly good at it - but watches and learns from the experience of others.
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I'm interested in how Germany will go about it as they ease some restrictions. They handled Covid-19 entirely differently from us right from the beginning and it might even have long term results for them that no one envisaged
https://thepienews.com/news/interest-studying-in-germany-grows-as-covid-19-response-praised/
Their strategy was tracing and testing and grasping the nettle right from the start. Our strengths for protection has lain in that we are an island nation and we couldn't even carry out the basics as far as utilising that advantage was concerned.
I'm blaming the government for the manner in which they downplayed the seriousness of the situation initially. Look no further than Boris Johnson's early sense of urgency https://www.axios.com/boris-johnson-skipped-five-virus-briefings-in-early-days-of-pandemic-968d6e1a-b89a-4ff1-b32d-580b8d51e7db.html in conjunction with what his thoughts were on social distancing for himself and the result of perhaps shaking one hand too many.
I've not yet had the heart to make any detailed comparisons with Germany of the deaths of care home residents and their carers but our figures are I think outstanding enough to raise concern.
Our unpreparedness for the initial arrival of Covid-19 (for which there was plenty of forewarning) and the glaring failures of PPE and testing are issues which I am expecting Keir Starmer to address in calling the government to account.
I think that much is owed to the people who have died as a result and when the lockdown is eased ... as it surely must be at some time in the future I hope the government doesn't do its own thing because I really don't think they are terribly good at it - but watches and learns from the experience of others.
Excellent post Brietta and I, like you, hope Starmer has the courage to hold this government to account for its many, and obvious, failures.
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Excellent post Brietta and I, like you, hope Starmer has the courage to hold this government to account for its many, and obvious, failures.
One of the first things hes done is to ask steven lawrences mother to look into the deaths of BAME in the covid outbrake...what aridiculous thing to do. Hes looking for a racist angle....any investigation needs to be carried out by scientists.....of all races
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Excellent post Brietta and I, like you, hope Starmer has the courage to hold this government to account for its many, and obvious, failures.
Hopefully hes got more sense than to use this situation as apolitical point scoring exercise as you want to do
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Hopefully hes got more sense than to use this situation as apolitical point scoring exercise as you want to do
I think when this is 'over' we are going to face huge differences in our lives as individuals and as a Nation. I think Starmer will acquit himself well under those circumstances.
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I think when this is 'over' we are going to face huge differences in our lives as individuals and as a Nation. I think Starmer will acquit himself well under those circumstances.
I'm not so sure... Appointing Baroness Lawrence to lead an enquiry seems to me he's approaching it with a bias.
Almost as if he wants to find a social reason he can blame the govt for... Which to anyone who understands the situation is ridiculous
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I'm interested in how Germany will go about it as they ease some restrictions. They handled Covid-19 entirely differently from us right from the beginning and it might even have long term results for them that no one envisaged
https://thepienews.com/news/interest-studying-in-germany-grows-as-covid-19-response-praised/
Their strategy was tracing and testing and grasping the nettle right from the start. Our strengths for protection has lain in that we are an island nation and we couldn't even carry out the basics as far as utilising that advantage was concerned.
I'm blaming the government for the manner in which they downplayed the seriousness of the situation initially. Look no further than Boris Johnson's early sense of urgency https://www.axios.com/boris-johnson-skipped-five-virus-briefings-in-early-days-of-pandemic-968d6e1a-b89a-4ff1-b32d-580b8d51e7db.html in conjunction with what his thoughts were on social distancing for himself and the result of perhaps shaking one hand too many.
I've not yet had the heart to make any detailed comparisons with Germany of the deaths of care home residents and their carers but our figures are I think outstanding enough to raise concern.
Our unpreparedness for the initial arrival of Covid-19 (for which there was plenty of forewarning) and the glaring failures of PPE and testing are issues which I am expecting Keir Starmer to address in calling the government to account.
I think that much is owed to the people who have died as a result and when the lockdown is eased ... as it surely must be at some time in the future I hope the government doesn't do its own thing because I really don't think they are terribly good at it - but watches and learns from the experience of others.
As regards PPE I don't think anyone knew we would need a completely different level of protection than has been used in the past. These are not normal medical masks that have been used in the past... I managed to get some from Band Q.. Not a medical supplier.
Now as I understand according to the army who have been distributing it... It's not that we don't have enough. Some hospitals have too much... Some not enough. It's a failing in the NHS management that has resulted in poor distribution.
Whatever Starmers wishes he's hampered by a hard left Labour Party that has no future. They don't want a Blair type centre party which is their only chance of electoral success
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One of the first things hes done is to ask steven lawrences mother to look into the deaths of BAME in the covid outbrake...what aridiculous thing to do. Hes looking for a racist angle....any investigation needs to be carried out by scientists.....of all races
I absolutely agree.
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I'm not so sure... Appointing Baroness Lawrence to lead an enquiry seems to me he's approaching it with a bias.
Almost as if he wants to find a social reason he can blame the govt for... Which to anyone who understands the situation is ridiculous
Sending government advisers to a supposedly independent advisory body is equally as incomprehensible to me. But there we are.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/24/revealed-dominic-cummings-on-secret-scientific-advisory-group-for-covid-19?utm_term=RWRpdG9yaWFsX0d1YXJkaWFuVG9kYXlVS19XZWVrZW5kLTIwMDQyNQ%3D%3D&utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&CMP=GTUK_email&utm_campaign=GuardianTodayUK
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Hopefully hes got more sense than to use this situation as apolitical point scoring exercise as you want to do
But the crisis is political.
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I think when this is 'over' we are going to face huge differences in our lives as individuals and as a Nation. I think Starmer will acquit himself well under those circumstances.
Let’s hope so. We need a robust opposition, at this time more than ever.
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As regards PPE I don't think anyone knew we would need a completely different level of protection than has been used in the past. These are not normal medical masks that have been used in the past... I managed to get some from Band Q.. Not a medical supplier.
Now as I understand according to the army who have been distributing it... It's not that we don't have enough. Some hospitals have too much... Some not enough. It's a failing in the NHS management that has resulted in poor distribution.
Whatever Starmers wishes he's hampered by a hard left Labour Party that has no future. They don't want a Blair type centre party which is their only chance of electoral success
Google Operation Cygnus. They should have known.
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Google Operation Cygnus. They should have known.
It's the type of ppe that is required that is the problem... Ppe never before being required... Apart from Ebola type diseases
It's very easy to criticise with hindsight which is what you are doing. It's the stupid public... Not obeying social distancing rules that are and will be the problem... Not the govt
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As regards PPE I don't think anyone knew we would need a completely different level of protection than has been used in the past. These are not normal medical masks that have been used in the past... I managed to get some from Band Q.. Not a medical supplier.
Now as I understand according to the army who have been distributing it... It's not that we don't have enough. Some hospitals have too much... Some not enough. It's a failing in the NHS management that has resulted in poor distribution.
Whatever Starmers wishes he's hampered by a hard left Labour Party that has no future. They don't want a Blair type centre party which is their only chance of electoral success
I think there will be a new realism in the country about a lot of things some of which arises from the effects of the pandemic; and I imagine the scales will fall from the eyes of not a few informed Tory voters too over how bad the Government reaction has been in many instances.
The handing of PPE has been Pythonesque in its ineptitude https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8243479/RAF-plane-flying-desperately-PPE-FINALLY-leaves-Turkish-airport-UK-coronavirus-battle.html with Downing Street allegedly manoeuvring to shift the blame for failures ~ where is Jeremy Corbyn when you need him? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8248685/Downing-Street-told-not-publicise-PPE-shipment-Turkey-case-didnt-turn-up.html
We don't have the measure of Starmer's performance at the dispatch box yet but when we do I think we will be pleasantly surprised as he holds the Government to task.
There has to be a total evaluation of the reaction of Government to what was done well and what was not in this life changing National Emergency for so many Britons. Reading some of the introductory information posted about him by Faithlilly it is my opinion Starmer's CV makes him ideal to have a meaningful lead in that.
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I think there will be a new realism in the country about a lot of things some of which arises from the effects of the pandemic; and I imagine the scales will fall from the eyes of not a few informed Tory voters too over how bad the Government reaction has been in many instances.
The handing of PPE has been Pythonesque in its ineptitude https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8243479/RAF-plane-flying-desperately-PPE-FINALLY-leaves-Turkish-airport-UK-coronavirus-battle.html with Downing Street allegedly manoeuvring to shift the blame for failures ~ where is Jeremy Corbyn when you need him? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8248685/Downing-Street-told-not-publicise-PPE-shipment-Turkey-case-didnt-turn-up.html
We don't have the measure of Starmer's performance at the dispatch box yet but when we do I think we will be pleasantly surprised as he holds the Government to task.
There has to be a total evaluation of the reaction of Government to what was done well and what was not in this life changing National Emergency for so many Britons. Reading some of the introductory information posted about him by Faithlilly it is my opinion Starmer's CV makes him ideal to have a meaningful lead in that.
Oh I am expecting much more. I want him to tell us what he was advising as an MP. Is it written somewhere as the news broke he took the bull by the horn and told the government what they were doing wrong and how to do it properly, surely he had a duty of care for his 'voters'. No? OK. not shocked at all.
Erm yeah with hindsight what he would have done is... blahblah blah.
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Notice how Starmer is not pinning his colours on any course of action he believes the government should take next with regard to whether to relax the lockdown or not, he’s simply waiting for their next move so that in a few weeks time he can criticise them for that as well, because let’s face it - the government are damned if they do and thy’re damned if they don’t. He must be loving it.
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As with Corbyn, the monstering of Starmer begins.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/14/labour-urges-tory-mps-to-admit-keir-starmer-video-was-doctored
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8298331/Fury-Sir-Keir-Starmer-asks-got-need-applauding-NHS.html
Of course it turned out that Starmer was asking if the photographers had got what they needed so they would move and let his daughter past.
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From Sarah Baxter in today’s Times (and echoing what I’ve been saying for weeks)
“ Clever though Starmer is at the thrust and parry of politics, in line with his experience as a barrister, we know very little about what he really thinks of the coronavirus crisis, except that the Tories have got it wrong on everything.
Should the nation have gone into lockdown earlier? Yes, of course, in hindsight, but Starmer didn’t have the vision or nerve to mention it at the time. Should we now re-emerge as quickly as possible — or hang back, as the obdurate union barons advise, under the guise of ensuring the safety of their members? This is not simply a practical question but a hard choice for Labour.
Whose side is Starmer on? Organised labour — the old Labour aristocracy — or the poorest in society, who are the worst affected by the crisis, as well as the future millions threatened by unemployment? Does he agree with the 50 Labour councils and the teaching unions, which are dragging their feet over the reopening of schools, or support the trapped children who are missing out on their education? And will the young who form the bedrock of Labour’s vote continue to back the party if their life chances are stifled?
In an interview in the Telegraph yesterday, Starmer pointedly noted that his own children are at school (his wife is a key worker in the NHS). It sent an important moral signal to Mary Bousted of the National Education Union and her colleagues to stop their petty political point-scoring and put pupils first (she described children on a private Zoom call as “mucky” germ spreaders who “wipe their snot on your trousers or your dress”).
Yet his solution — a taskforce made up of teaching unions, parents, local authorities and government — would take weeks if not months to reach an agreement, while the economic and social consequences of the lockdown continue to mount”.
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/02/keir-starmer-warns-pm-get-a-grip-or-risk-second-wave-of-coronavirus?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1591131481
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https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jun/02/keir-starmer-warns-pm-get-a-grip-or-risk-second-wave-of-coronavirus?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1591131481
What a load of codswallop. Damned if you do and damned if you don't.
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Notice how Starmer is not pinning his colours on any course of action he believes the government should take next with regard to whether to relax the lockdown or not, he’s simply waiting for their next move so that in a few weeks time he can criticise them for that as well, because let’s face it - the government are damned if they do and thy’re damned if they don’t. He must be loving it.
Surely, it is the duty of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, to hold her government to account. Questioning their every move is the very least I expect of them.
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Surely, it is the duty of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, to hold her government to account. Questioning their every move is the very least I expect of them.
Even if they don't know what they are talking about? No one does at the moment.
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Even if they don't know what they are talking about? No one does at the moment.
The government is, we are told, following the science and a great many scientists say the government is getting it wrong.
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The government is, we are told, following the science and a great many scientists say the government is getting it wrong.
Do any Scientists have a different view?
I don't really care. I left England a long time ago. And France has been very good to me. Much more so than Britain ever was.
I am just stymied by the conflicting rubbish that is being reported.
I have continued to worry about the land of my misbegotten birth. Probably very silly of me. It was never my heritage anyway.
But there is one thing to be said about Boris. He doesn't care about what people think of him. He got a Landslide. Beat that one if you can.
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Do any Scientists have a different view?
I don't really care. I left England a long time ago. And France has been very good to me. Much more so than Britain ever was.
I am just stymied by the conflicting rubbish that is being reported.
I have continued to worry about the land of my misbegotten birth. Probably very silly of me. It was never my heritage anyway.
But there is one thing to be said about Boris. He doesn't care about what people think of him. He got a Landslide. Beat that one if you can.
So did Hitler, Mussolini, Amin, Mugabe....in fact most of the dictators throughout history.
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So did Hitler, Mussolini, Amin, Mugabe....in fact most of the dictators throughout history.
Oh, come on Faith. Boris will never be a Dictator. And you aren't that daft to believe it.
But we were talking about The Labour Party Leader. No one was more staunch than my Dad. He never forgave me for voting Tory. Although I can't say that I remember who was in charge when I joined The Wrens in 1957.
But you know what they say. Give any Party long enough.
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Oh, come on Faith. Boris will never be a Dictator. And you aren't that daft to believe it.
But we were talking about The Labour Party Leader. No one was more staunch than my Dad. He never forgave me for voting Tory. Although I can't say that I remember who was in charge when I joined The Wrens in 1957.
But you know what they say. Give any Party long enough.
I agree, Boris will never be a dictator...however it doesn’t stop him trying.
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I agree, Boris will never be a dictator...however it doesn’t stop him trying.
I think you missed the point, Faith. Any Party with good policies will continue. But I no longer have the time or patience to explain passing aberrations. I don't care anymore. The Labour Party to me are a bunch of put downs. Keep the underdogs where they should be because they know nothing about anything.
My Dad didn't see it coming. He thought that his daughter's opinion wasn't worth tuppence happeny, being female as it were. That is the real problem.
And I'll tell you what. It is still a problem. Perhaps you were better serve. I do hope so.
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I think you missed the point, Faith. Any Party with good policies will continue. But I no longer have the time or patience to explain passing aberrations. I don't care anymore. The Labour Party to me are a bunch of put downs. Keep the underdogs where they should be because they know nothing about anything.
My Dad didn't see it coming. He thought that his daughter's opinion wasn't worth tuppence happeny, being female as it were. That is the real problem.
And I'll tell you what. It is still a problem. Perhaps you were better serve. I do hope so.
I don’t think I missed the point at all. Boris is where he is because he was the only party leader who promised what a substantial part of the electorate wanted...to be Brexit over the line. It had absolutely nothing to do with good policies...they didn’t have any.
Since then he has overseen a disastrous handling of the coronavirus, where the very people who voted for him for the first time and the elderly who are disproportionately Conservative voters, have been especially betrayed. And worse is still to come...a hard Brexit and a deep recession, which again will disproportionally hit the poorest the hardest, will be the death-knell to his ‘evening up’ manta. In the coming weeks and months Starmer’s measured judgement will shine a torch directly on Johnson’s lack of anything approaching statesmanship.
There are already rumblings from his own back benches that Johnson may not be the saviour he was sold to be...and we all know how ruthless the Tories can be.
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Surely, it is the duty of Her Majesty's Most Loyal Opposition, to hold her government to account. Questioning their every move is the very least I expect of them.
Of course he must hold the government to account, but to only criticise after the event and offer no practical solutions before it, is that very helpful?
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I don’t think I missed the point at all. Boris is where he is because he was the only party leader who promised what a substantial part of the electorate wanted...to be Brexit over the line. It had absolutely nothing to do with good policies...they didn’t have any.
Since then he has overseen a disastrous handling of the coronavirus, where the very people who voted for him for the first time and the elderly who are disproportionately Conservative voters, have been especially betrayed. And worse is still to come...a hard Brexit and a deep recession, which again will disproportionally hit the poorest the hardest, will be the death-knell to his ‘evening up’ manta. In the coming weeks and months Starmer’s measured judgement will shine a torch directly on Johnson’s lack of anything approaching statesmanship.
There are already rumblings from his own back benches that Johnson may not be the saviour he was sold to be...and we all know how ruthless the Tories can be.
For Focks sake I am still here. Stuff it. Boris is The Prime Minister.
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For Focks sake I am still here. Stuff it. Boris is The Prime Minister.
Thatcher won a 102 seat majority in 1987....in less than 3 years she was ousted. Johnson should never feel too comfortable.
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Of course he must hold the government to account, but to only criticise after the event and offer no practical solutions before it, is that very helpful?
Good point. Starmer claimed today at PMQ’s that he has offered practical help and solutions. He wrote a confidential letter to Johnson offering help regarding schools. He went on to claim that he received no reply.
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I don’t think I missed the point at all. Boris is where he is because he was the only party leader who promised what a substantial part of the electorate wanted...to be Brexit over the line. It had absolutely nothing to do with good policies...they didn’t have any.
Since then he has overseen a disastrous handling of the coronavirus, where the very people who voted for him for the first time and the elderly who are disproportionately Conservative voters, have been especially betrayed. And worse is still to come...a hard Brexit and a deep recession, which again will disproportionally hit the poorest the hardest, will be the death-knell to his ‘evening up’ manta. In the coming weeks and months Starmer’s measured judgement will shine a torch directly on Johnson’s lack of anything approaching statesmanship.
There are already rumblings from his own back benches that Johnson may not be the saviour he was sold to be...and we all know how ruthless the Tories can be.
Wish I could have put it as well as that! 8@??)(
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Good point. Starmer claimed today at PMQ’s that he has offered practical help and solutions. He wrote a confidential letter to Johnson offering help regarding schools. He went on to claim that he received no reply.
As Starmer said scrutiny not criticism.
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Good point. Starmer claimed today at PMQ’s that he has offered practical help and solutions. He wrote a confidential letter to Johnson offering help regarding schools. He went on to claim that he received no reply.
Perhaps he should put the letter in the public domain then.
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Wish I could have put it as well as that! 8@??)(
Only slight problem with that is I know elderly Brexit voters and they still love Boris no matter what.
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Perhaps he should put the letter in the public domain then.
He said that he was going to do just that.
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He said that he was going to do just that.
Good.
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He said that he was going to do just that.
He has.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1290755/pmqs-live-boris-johnson-keir-starmer-coronavirus-latest-dominic-cummings-uk-covid19-deaths
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Oh Dear. Such sour grapes. The Tory Party won. I personally don't care. But I'll tell you what. Boris won that one.
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Oh Dear indeed! What a sorry state we're in. Dumbed down to the point of no return. "All in it together", I keep hearing. The vast majority couldn't give a flying f..k about anyone else. I'd be out of here like a shot, if I could.
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Oh Dear indeed! What a sorry state we're in. Dumbed down to the point of no return. "All in it together", I keep hearing. The vast majority couldn't give a flying f..k about anyone else. I'd be out of here like a shot, if I could.
Where would you like to go?
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Where would you like to go?
Well.....to be honest, I don't know! I wonder what New Zealand is like.
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Oh Dear indeed! What a sorry state we're in. Dumbed down to the point of no return. "All in it together", I keep hearing. The vast majority couldn't give a flying f..k about anyone else. I'd be out of here like a shot, if I could.
But I did. I got out. It wasn't easy. But I did it. I now live in this ghastly hovel which gives me much joy. My house is really awful. It is the most disgusting place that you could ever imagine. But it is mine. It belongs only to me.
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Well.....to be honest, I don't know! I wonder what New Zealand is like.
Dull.
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Dull.
Rob isn't Dull. He is a really nice man and actually quite beautiful as men go. He has a vague New Zealand accent but not all that much. I think he's lovely.
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Rob isn't Dull. He is a really nice man and actually quite beautiful as men go. He has a vague New Zealand accent but not all that much. I think he's lovely.
I have several Nuzzie relatives. Some of them are not dull but I couldn’t live in their country, there’s not too much going on there that interests me, beautiful though much of it is.
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I have several Nuzzie relatives. Some of them are not dull but I couldn’t live in their country, there’s not too much going on there that interests me, beautiful though much of it is.
Really? How come? You don't get relatives that easily. All of my Australian relatives were Transported. There are now many more Mitchellls in down under than are in Ireland.
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Really? How come? You don't get relatives that easily. All of my Australian relatives were Transported. There are now many more Mitchellls in down under than are in Ireland.
My aunt met and married a visiting Nuzzie who whisked her off to Napier over sixty years ago.
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My aunt met and married a visiting Nuzzie who whisked her off to Napier over sixty years ago.
Has he got a friend? I am getting a bit desperate now.
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Sir Keir just keeps going up and up in my estimation. Bye-bye Ms Wrong-Daily. &^&*%
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I’ll just leave this here.
https://gvwire.com/2020/06/08/the-knee-on-neck-long-a-staple-of-israels-occupation-of-palestine/
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Oh look, an anti-semite springs to Wrong-Daily’s defence. Too late. She’s history. Nice one Sir Keir. 8((()*/
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I’m really not sure who Sir Kier is surrounding himself with but if he thinks he is going to win the next election by throwing a sacrificial lamb to the couple of thousand Jewish people who bought into the myth of the Labour Party as an institutionally anti-Semitic party I think he is going to be sadly mistaken.
Under Jeremy Corbyn the Labour Party doubled its membership and many of those new members are now leaving. Their numbers could be the difference between a Labour victory in the next election or another term of Tory rule. I sincerely hope not but it is a distinct possibility.
Starmer is a decent, intelligent politician but he will not win back the Red Wall communities Labour has lost by pandering to fringe groups. He needs to convince them that he is behind them and working on their behalf. What they don’t want is another Tony Blair, whose premiership saw the gradual shifting of that red wall away from Labour, and another Conservative victory that spells nothing but disaster for these working class communities.
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I’ll just leave this here.
https://gvwire.com/2020/06/08/the-knee-on-neck-long-a-staple-of-israels-occupation-of-palestine/
the israeli soldiers seem to be leaning their knee on the jaw...not the neck. Floyds death seems to have been caused by the knee on the neck..specifically the carotid artery which would cut off blood supply to the brain. this is purely my observation...havent seen anyone else mention it
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the israeli soldiers seem to be leaning their knee on the jaw...not the neck. Floyds death seems to have been caused by the knee on the neck..specifically the carotid artery which would cut off blood supply to the brain. this is purely my observation...havent seen anyone else mention it
The knee is too large to go on the neck alone.
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Maxine Peake was absolutely right as Amnesty International has verified.
Supporters of Israel can close their ears to it but it won’t change the truth from being the truth.
https://www.amnestyusa.org/with-whom-are-many-u-s-police-departments-training-with-a-chronic-human-rights-violator-israel/
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Maxine Peake on Twitter tonight
“I feel it’s important for me to clarify that, when talking to The Independent, I was inaccurate in my assumption of American Police training & its sources. I find racism & [ censored word]emitism abhorrent & I in no way wished, nor intended, to add fodder to any views of the contrary”.
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Why Starmer had to sack Wrong-Daily
https://twitter.com/Sara_Rose_G/status/1276171378044125189?s=20
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https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/uk/2020/06/amnesty-international-we-never-reported-neck-kneeling-taught-israelis-us
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https://voxpoliticalonline.com/2020/06/25/long-baileys-sacking-tells-us-all-we-need-to-know-about-keir-double-standard-starmer-and-his-racist-labour-party/
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I’d love to know why Corbyn and his supporters are only interested in human rights abuses by Israel and America. Can anyome think of any other countries that receive such scrutiny from the far left, or explain why these two countries above all cause them such fury and angst?
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Great article from Jewish Voice for Labour, a community of Jewish Labour Party members. The comments are particularly interesting.
https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/statement/unravelling-the-sacking-of-rebecca-long-bailey/?fbclid=IwAR2jLaD9Td5X4X_sk7CYiEeK7WtySiLL_Qk3dtGJP21SxeS2DVseJveuMQA
A case of trying to be more Jewish than the Jews ?
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https://www.jpost.com/diaspora/north-carolina-city-bans-any-training-with-israel-police-or-idf-552411
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Corbyn supporters are never going to forgive Starmer for this, it’s quite hilarious. Time to leave the party en masse and set up the Momentum Party which will I predict flounder and die within a few years.
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Corbyn supporters are never going to forgive Starmer for this, it’s quite hilarious. Time to leave the party en masse and set up the Momentum Party which will I predict flounder and die within a few years.
I don't think it will just be Corbyn supporters!
The sacking was ill placed IMO. There was no anti Semitic accusations hurled at GF's illegal killing by an over zealous police officer at all.
The only thing I noticed was PEAKE saying as if true that Israelis are training US cops to neck kneel- nothing about training them to neck kneel blacks who resist arrest. Other countries share techniques, and intelligence, nothing new to see here!
All blown out of proportion. IMO
What happened to GF was wrong and despicable abuse of power, we still don't know if this was actually racially motivated or just a cop sick with having to deal with hardened violent criminals losing his rag. GF could well have been white or Spanish, or Asian...
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I don't think it will just be Corbyn supporters!
The sacking was ill placed IMO. There was no anti Semitic accusations hurled at GF's illegal killing by an over zealous police officer at all.
The only thing I noticed was PEAKE saying as if true that Israelis are training US cops to neck kneel- nothing about training them to neck kneel blacks who resist arrest. Other countries share techniques, and intelligence, nothing new to see here!
All blown out of proportion. IMO
What happened to GF was wrong and despicable abuse of power, we still don't know if this was actually racially motivated or just a cop sick with having to deal with hardened violent criminals losing his rag. GF could well have been white or Spanish, or Asian...
Corbyn’ Left are quick to blame J̶e̶w̶s̶ Israel for all the ills of the world. They focus almost exclusively on human rights abuses by Israel, but when did you last hear them condemning any other country (apart from the USA, Israel’s biggest ally) for their human rights abuses? Which Muslim countries get as much criticism from the Labour Left as they dole out to Israel? Do you think maybe, just maybe, the Labour Left are courting the votes of a rapidly growing Muslim electorate by positioning themselves as Anti-J̶e̶w̶ Israel?
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Corbyn’ Left are quick to blame J̶e̶w̶s̶ Israel for all the ills of the world. They focus almost exclusively on human rights abuses by Israel, but when did you last hear them condemning any other country (apart from the USA, Israel’s biggest ally) for their human rights abuses? Which Muslim countries get as much criticism from the Labour Left as they dole out to Israel? Do you think maybe, just maybe, the Labour Left are courting the votes of a rapidly growing Muslim electorate by positioning themselves as Anti-J̶e̶w̶ Israel?
I agree with most of what you are saying. However, I was discussing to the claim about anti- [ censored word]emitism claims with regards to Peake and her Bailey friend who was sacked. In that respect I feel Sir human rights lawyer gravy train slurpper Strammer was wrong. The whole thing was blown out of proportion IMO.
Do I agree that Israel have violated palestinian human rights - Yes I do. many Jewish people feel the same way.
I am talking with reference about the 'settlements policy'. it is inhumane and disgusting to throw people off their land of centuries/millennium even in the most brutal manner, and the reason I find this particularly horrible is because the Jewish people in Europe were treated the same way and it was a cause of the second world war- Nazis hating Jews. Many.many millions of non Jews suffered and died because of that- those survivors who stole the land they claim was given by God and created animosity due to their greed of land grabbing is not honorable, or to be condoned.
Re: the choice of human rights 'victims'- You are spot on with that VS. They supported the IRA, Mandela, and other corrupt dictators/terrorists with a left wing remit.
Communism doesn't work- Russia and China tried it- then gave up as the corrupt leaders and their families loved the good life as well as the power over the serfs. Time for the wealthy,left wingers to....wing it.
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I agree with most of what you are saying. However, I was discussing to the claim about anti- [ censored word]emitism claims with regards to Peake and her Bailey friend who was sacked. In that respect I feel Sir human rights lawyer gravy train slurpper Strammer was wrong. The whole thing was blown out of proportion IMO.
Do I agree that Israel have violated palestinian human rights - Yes I do. many Jewish people feel the same way.
I am talking with reference about the 'settlements policy'. it is inhumane and disgusting to throw people off their land of centuries/millennium even in the most brutal manner, and the reason I find this particularly horrible is because the Jewish people in Europe were treated the same way and it was a cause of the second world war- Nazis hating Jews. Many.many millions of non Jews suffered and died because of that- those survivors who stole the land they claim was given by God and created animosity due to their greed of land grabbing is not honorable, or to be condoned.
Re: the choice of human rights 'victims'- You are spot on with that VS. They supported the IRA, Mandela, and other corrupt dictators/terrorists with a left wing remit.
Communism doesn't work- Russia and China tried it- then gave up as the corrupt leaders and their families loved the good life as well as the power over the serfs. Time for the wealthy,left wingers to....wing it.
Novel take on the causes of the Second World War there MTI.
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Quench the flame of [ censored word]emitism, Starmer, but put out the crazy Trots too
Rod Liddle
Sunday June 28 2020, 12.01am, The Sunday Times
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You’ve got to admire their tenacity and persistence. An entire world emerging from a pandemic and lockdown to a future of financial chaos and ruination — but Labour’s lefties can still find time to have a go at Jews. The obsession that cannot ever be diminished; the flame that never dies.
The latest came from the gloriously irritating Corbynista actress Maxine Peake, who managed to link the killing of George Floyd to the state of Israel. The fact that a decade or so ago some police officers from Minnesota, where Floyd was killed, attended an anti-terrorism conference hosted by the Israeli consulate was enough for Peake. Israeli collusion in the murder of a fine upstanding man, was the gist.
Her maniacal conspiracy-theory observations were retweeted by Rebecca Long Bailey MP, who, for reasons presumably satirical in design, holds Labour’s education portfolio. Well, held, at least. The Labour leader, Sir Keir Starmer, has sacked her, and the political firmament today shines a little less brightly, now that Rebecca’s shimmering brilliance has been peremptorily dimmed.
Starmer’s supposed reasons were sound — Labour is trying to “rebuild trust” among a British Jewish community that, until Corbyn and Wrong Daily came along, voted Labour almost unanimously and would now, in similar unison, vote for almost anyone but. The recently dispossessed lefties are furious, of course. Wrong Daily pleaded with her leader to take her back, insisting that, while she had retweeted Peake’s idiocies with the commendation that the TV star was a “diamond” (in that she is overvalued and transparent, possibly), she had never meant to endorse the entirety of her observations. In which case perhaps she should have tweeted “Maxine Peake is a diamond, apart from the anti-Jew stuff”.
The disagreeable whiff of sulphur you’ve just caught on the wind, meanwhile, was John McDonnell rising from his crypt to announce that he stood “in solidarity” with Long Bailey, most notably on the grounds that a commitment to [ censored word]emitism should not preclude criticism of the government and policies of Israel.
Many on the far left made that very point — and, of course, it is correct. Criticism of the Israeli government is just fine. It is the weird, relentless obsession with Israel, above and beyond all other countries, that is the signifier of undiluted [ censored word]emitism.
It is a mania that leads in the end to the condition that afflicted the former Liberal Democrat MP Jenny (now Baroness) Tonge, when she gave credence to claims that Israeli rescue workers were harvesting organs from victims of the 2010 Haiti earthquake, calling for an inquiry into the allegations. It is a kind of mental illness, a derangement. But this racism still has purchase in certain sections of our population. A study from Oxford University revealed last month that a scary 19% of British people believed that Jews were in some way responsible for the coronavirus. Those evil bat-eating Jews, then. Are one in five of us really that doolally?
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My suspicion, though, is that Sir Keir found the Peakegate Twitter business extremely expedient. A more honest and noble course of action would have been to sack Long Bailey months ago, because she is utterly, staggeringly, useless. The former leadership contender had her place on the Labour front bench as a sop to the Momentum hordes, who worship the woman. But there should have been no such sop. Such was the distance that Labour had travelled from its voter base under Jeremy Corbyn that Starmer should have been ruthless in purging every last Trot-friendly, victimhood-obsessed ninny from his political front line, including the increasingly berserk David Lammy.
A split in the party? Sure, fine, bring it on. It would have done him no harm at all, any more than it did Tony Blair. But Sir Keir is still a little too keen to take the knee to whichever faction of the party demands it and, three months after his accession, I still do not have a clue what he believes in or stands for, admirable though he may be each week at prime minister’s questions.
The latest polling research shows that Labour is now seen, pretty much unequivocally, as the party of the affluent. The poorer you are, the more likely you are to vote Conservative. The polls may have narrowed dramatically — but that is a consequence, I reckon, of an enormous disillusion with the government’s inept handling of the pandemic, rather than a positive vote for Labour. So who should replace Wrong Daily as Labour’s education spokesperson? It needs to be someone with Rebecca’s robust intellectual clout, soaring imagination, forensic attention to detail and remarkable articulacy. Richard Burgon, anyone?
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Novel take on the causes of the Second World War there MTI.
No ,Not really, I am not claiming it was THE cause of WW2 just A cause- one of many reasons. Hitlers third Reich-
He had quite a big remit for a European Union- with him as president.
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No ,Not really, I am not claiming it was THE cause of WW2 just A cause- one of many reasons. Hitlers third Reich-
He had quite a big remit for a European Union- with him as president.
Don't you mean Dictator?
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Don't you mean Dictator?
Yes, I have other words to describe him, but his vision was to rule over the Europe he was building so god like President is what he saw himself I am sure, if any of his rallies were anything to go by.
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Ed Miliband: Keir Starmer was right to sack Rebecca Long Bailey
Long Bailey was dismissed for praising Maxine Peake after the actress made false claims that Israel’s security services had taught US police the choke hold used on George Floyd
In the wake of polling showing that Starmer has overtaken Boris Johnson in terms of which leader voters believe would make a better prime minister, he said there was no doubt about which was the better Labour leader.
Mr Miliband resigned as Labour leader in 2015 after his party’s crushing election defeat.
Labour lost many seats to the SNP in Scotland as Conservative David Cameron secured a surprise 12-seat majority.
Mr Miliband returned to the backbenches during Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership before Sir Keir made him shadow business secretary in April this year.
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Asked by the BBC today: “Is he going to be a better leader of the Labour Party than you?”
Mr Miliband replied: “Definitely. I think you’ve seen that already.”
He laughed as he added: “Look, I certainly never had his approval ratings.
“I think he’s made a great start. I think he’s shown not just competence but the kind of seriousness that this crisis demands.
Sir Keir Starmer sacked Rebecca Long Bailey after she shared an article which drew links between Israel and the death of George FloydSir Keir Starmer sacked Rebecca Long Bailey after she shared an article which drew links between Israel and the death of George Floyd
Sir Keir Starmer sacked Rebecca Long Bailey after she shared an article which drew links between Israel and the death of George Floyd
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“I think the more people see of him the more they’ll see the integrity, the principle and
The shadow business secretary told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show that Long Bailey had blundered by endorsing Ms Peake’s interview in which she drew a false link between Israel and the death of Mr Floyd.
“The problem is that over the centuries when calamitous things have happened, Jews have been blamed and that’s why there was an [ censored word]emitism issue in relation to this, and that’s why I believe Keir took the right decision.”
Mr Miliband said he did not think Long Bailey was [ censored word]emitic but made a “significant error of judgement”. He said of the sacking: “I don’t think it was an overreaction.”
He went on: “The problem about the interview - and I’ve met Maxine Peake, who I think is a perfectly decent person and she’s apologised, and I think that’s significant - was it’s the casualness of it, that is in the way the problem.
“A terrible thing happens to George Floyd and the Israeli defence force is somehow singled out. I think Britain has had exchanges with American police forces but Britain wasn’t singled out.”
He denied a purge is taking place against the Labour left.
Mr Miliband also told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show: “I heard something in your paper review about how Keir wants to purge these people, he’s not about purges, I know the guy.
“He’s a principled guy, he’s a guy with integrity, he wants to change this country and he wants to change this country by unifying the Labour Party but also not having the Labour Party mired in issues which, frankly, provide a stain on us.”
Told it was not zero tolerance to remove Long Bailey from her post but leave others in the party who say they “stand in solidarity” with her, Mr Miliband said Sir Keir Starmer is not going to “expel everybody in the Labour Party who says this”.
Mr Miliband said Labour MPs on the left should help fight the Conservatives, replying “no, of course it isn’t” when asked if a wider purge is to take place
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No ,Not really, I am not claiming it was THE cause of WW2 just A cause- one of many reasons. Hitlers third Reich-
He had quite a big remit for a European Union- with him as president.
History as written by google.
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History as written by google.
No, University library actually. I am more of a book person. Your put downs are so left wing I find myself being so amused by the attempts- written by someone better than you for you to follow like a little sheep, stuck in a pen just going the one way.
I have no respect for google company or its associates that goes for tw..ter and facefook political mentality.
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No, University library actually. I am more of a book person. Your put downs are so left wing I find myself being so amused by the attempts- written by someone better than you for you to follow like a little sheep, stuck in a pen just going the one way.
I have no respect for google company or its associates that goes for tw..ter and facefook political mentality.
You do make me laugh MTI......though I’ve got a suspicion you don’t intend your posts to amuse.
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https://www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk/article/defamation-the-case-of-maxine-peake/?utm_source=mailpoet&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=new-article-from-jvl-newsletter-post-title_8
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https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/israel-propaganda-war-silence-europe-how
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https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1311426/shamima-begum-news-boris-johnson-isis-uk-citizenship-court-decision
And Keir was the lead antagonist helper to get this vile creature help. She claims she welcomes British justice, yeah I bet it is better than the harsh 'muslim' ISIS torture she associated with and for all we know took part in. Well done Sir Keir What a good little lawyer you are.
She made herself stateless by becoming a 'citizen' of an illegal war criminals haven.
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George Galloway exposes BBC bias in the Batley & Spen by-election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s3uedLneFo
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George Galloway exposes BBC bias in the Batley & Spen by-election.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s3uedLneFo
Haha, bet he's fuming today
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Certainly not a supporter of his, but he really stuck it to the interviewer & I did lol when he said the bit about the concern for Labour being touching but probably a breach of the BBC charter.
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Certainly not a supporter of his, but he really stuck it to the interviewer & I did lol when he said the bit about the concern for Labour being touching but probably a breach of the BBC charter.
He’s a vile creep, I’m not surprised you have a sneaking admiration of the man.
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He’s a vile creep, I’m not surprised you have a sneaking admiration of the man.
He's supportive of Islam & Palestine, I totally disagree with almost everything he stands for.
He did support Brexit though, so I have to give him credit for that.
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My impression of George Galloway is that he travels around the country stirring up trouble!
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My impression of George Galloway is that he travels around the country stirring up trouble!
George Galloway's impression is of a cat.
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He's supportive of Islam & Palestine, I totally disagree with almost everything he stands for.
He did support Brexit though, so I have to give him credit for that.
Many of the public figures who supported Brexit were decidedly dodgy IMo, I wonder why that was?
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Labour have no chance of winning an election with the likes of Angela Raynor on board eg her reference to Tory skum in the Hoc. Dreadful/woman.
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Angela Raynor speaks like she's deaf or has had a stroke.
I'm unsure if it's that or just a speech impediment.
Either way, listening to her speak is as painful or possibly worse than listening to Jess Phillips.
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Until Keit and his pals can get their act together, stop fudging and explain exactly why it is wrong to say only women have a cervix and for the explanation to make sense (even if I disagree with it) then they have zero percent chance of winning my vote, which currently leaves me with precisely no options of political party to vote for.
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Being working class I should be a labour voter.
But they're too busy focusing on diversity & trans rights (even though trans people make up 0.1% of the population) to give a damn about the rest of the country.
Corbyn appeared more electable than Starmer.
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Angela Raynor speaks like she's deaf or has had a stroke.
I'm unsure if it's that or just a speech impediment.
Either way, listening to her speak is as painful or possibly worse than listening to Jess Phillips.
The female equivalent of Liam Gallagher... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StKafubiaHE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StKafubiaHE)
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Being working class I should be a labour voter.
But they're too busy focusing on diversity & trans rights (even though trans people make up 0.1% of the population) to give a damn about the rest of the country.
Corbyn appeared more electable than Starmer.
I’m not sure Corbyn ever beat May or Boris in the “Best PM” approval ratings, something which Keir has done recently, albeit an actual donkey could top the poll currently so no great achievement.
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Labour remains in a terrible pickle. They will never win again in Scotland but rely on Scottish votes to win elections. They need to appeal to Brexit supporting working classes elsewhere in the country but currently don’t and no amount of faux flag waving from Starmer et al is likely to change that anytime soon. Corbyn would possibly be PM today if he’d been intelligent enough to realise he needed Brexit supporting working classes on his side and being pro-Brexi himself he should have had the courage of his convictions instead of being the disingenuous worm that he appeared. All the Labour loveys would have defected to the Lib Dems and problem solved.
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Labour remains in a terrible pickle. They will never win again in Scotland but rely on Scottish votes to win elections. They need to appeal to Brexit supporting working classes elsewhere in the country but currently don’t and no amount of faux flag waving from Starmer et al is likely to change that anytime soon. Corbyn would possibly be PM today if he’d been intelligent enough to realise he needed Brexit supporting working classes on his side and being pro-Brexi himself he should have had the courage of his convictions instead of being the disingenuous worm that he appeared. All the Labour loveys would have defected to the Lib Dems and problem solved.
The only way Labour could possibly make in roads into Scotland again, is if they support a new referendum on clear democratic grounds. But since they continue to be dead set against both independence and a referendum, then Scotland will be lost to them forever. There is very little chance they will make a dent in the Unionist Tory vote in Scotland, their only option is to target the nationalists, and we all know what the nationalists want. If Labour & Stammer don't listen, then gaining seats in Scotland is a non-starter.
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GB News.
Do the Labour Party hold the working class in contempt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYsf3KfFLuw
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GB News.
Do the Labour Party hold the working class in contempt?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYsf3KfFLuw
I don't even need to watch the video to know the answer to that one. Look at Emily Thornberry's take on that demographic. Wholly contempt filled. Most Corbynistas I have encountered think they occupy the pinnacle of the moral high ground and that poor, white working class Brexit voters are just thick as minced gammon in their view, which is odd seeing as how they're supposed to be inclusive. This is not the way to go about winning friends and influencing people IMO.
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What are your thoughts on GB News?
Have you watched it at all so far?
I don't watch TV but I subscribed to them on Youtube.
They've been pretty good so far imo.
They have black presenters critical of critical race theory, diversity by force & identity politics.
Farage has done some good interviews too & just yesterday they uncancelled David Starkey.
'Modernity was invented in Britain' - David Starkey hits back at Greta Thunberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRgvJPSOTTM
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What are your thoughts on GB News?
Have you watched it at all so far?
I don't watch TV but I subscribed to them on Youtube.
They've been pretty good so far imo.
They have black presenters critical of critical race theory, diversity by force & identity politics.
Farage has done some good interviews too & just yesterday they uncancelled David Starkey.
'Modernity was invented in Britain' - David Starkey hits back at Greta Thunberg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rRgvJPSOTTM
No, I've not watched it, it seems a project doomed to fail especially now Andrew Neil has left but I admire them for giving it a go though I don't really subscribe to the politics of the right. I fall between two stools and it's a very uncomfortable place to be... @)(++(*
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I don't think they'll survive either judging by the viewing figures & I think it's a shame because there needs to be an alternative to the left wing media bias.
Andrew Doyle: Labour is middle-class people wondering why the working-class won't vote for them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOngxCuMCg0
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Lily will be tickled pink...
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11247739/Keir-Starmer-leads-Labour-party-conference-tribute-Queen.html (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11247739/Keir-Starmer-leads-Labour-party-conference-tribute-Queen.html)
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On a scale of 1 to 10 just how offensively thick is Jeremy’ ex-girlfriend and fierce supporter Dianne Abbott?
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On a scale of 1 to 10 just how offensively thick is Jeremy’ ex-girlfriend and fierce supporter Dianne Abbott?
Manna from heaven for the tories, they should be on the ropes, state of the economy, Raab etc, now they've given up a gift, what will Starmer do at question time.
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Manna from heaven for the tories, they should be on the ropes, state of the economy, Raab etc, now they've given up a gift, what will Starmer do at question time.
he needs to expel her from the party so she can join Corbyn and start up a new one for all the lefty anti-semites to vote for.