Sceptics beliefs ?

[Brietta]

Can it be proved that a witmess is honest? If not then assuming that they are is a sign of bias imo.

The majority of posters on fora lean towards an opinion one way or another.
Some do that relying on "gut reaction" ... others like Pegasus post an opinion based on knowledge using an almost forensic study and analysis of what evidence there is.

When posting Pegasus was an invaluable asset to the forum mainly as a result of an enquiring mind put to good use and insight.

[G-Unit]

The majority of posters on fora lean towards an opinion one way or another.
Some do that relying on "gut reaction" ... others like Pegasus post an opinion based on knowledge using an almost forensic study and analysis of what evidence there is.

When posting Pegasus was an invaluable asset to the forum mainly as a result of an enquiring mind put to good use and insight.

According to Pegasus KM was a truthful witness because;

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The crime-scene description by the witness fits with the hard evidence in this room...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg255653#msg255653

As the only person who claimed to see this evidence was the witness it can hardly be used to confirm the truthfulness of the witness.

[Mr Gray]

According to Pegasus KM was a truthful witness because;

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The crime-scene description by the witness fits with the hard evidence in this room...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg255653#msg255653

As the only person who claimed to see this evidence was the witness it can hardly be used to confirm the truthfulness of the witness.

personally i look at all the facts and then base my decision on truthfulness on that....to me kate is truthful

[G-Unit]

personally i look at all the facts and then base my decision on truthfulness on that....to me kate is truthful

Pegasus believed KM was truthful because Pegasus believed KM described the scene truthfully. Pegasus appears to have believed that KM described the scene truthfuly purely because it was possible that it looked as KM described it. In my opinion that isn't an opinion based on evidence, hard or otherwise.

[Brietta]

Pegasus believed KM was truthful because Pegasus believed KM described the scene truthfully. Pegasus appears to have believed that KM described the scene truthfuly purely because it was possible that it looked as KM described it. In my opinion that isn't an opinion based on evidence, hard or otherwise.

Pegasus had an opinion based on the facts and was not ashamed to claim what was posted as his/her opinion.

IMO absolutely no-one went in or out the window.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg117550#msg117550

The apartment looked like no-one was in.
Lights (except one dim light) were turned out when adults went out.
From inside comes no noise, no voices, no shower noise, no TV noise.
If I was a petty thief I would certainly assume everyone was out.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg117760#msg117760

Mr Amarals film has video footage in which a young actress first wakes up,  and then goes into the lounge.
The footage IMO provides no plausible reasons why the actress did these two things.
No waking noise of shutter being opened from outside, no seeing silhouette outside.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg118165#msg118165

[jassi]

I wasn't aware that it was a sceptic belief (the title of this thread) that anyone entered or left via the window.

[G-Unit]

Pegasus had an opinion based on the facts and was not ashamed to claim what was posted as his/her opinion.

IMO absolutely no-one went in or out the window.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg117550#msg117550

The apartment looked like no-one was in.
Lights (except one dim light) were turned out when adults went out.
From inside comes no noise, no voices, no shower noise, no TV noise.
If I was a petty thief I would certainly assume everyone was out.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg117760#msg117760

Mr Amarals film has video footage in which a young actress first wakes up,  and then goes into the lounge.
The footage IMO provides no plausible reasons why the actress did these two things.
No waking noise of shutter being opened from outside, no seeing silhouette outside.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg118165#msg118165

All of which, Pegasus suggests, fit with a burglar opening the shutters and window. It may fit, but there's no evidence that it happened.

[barrier]

All of which, Pegasus suggests, fit with a burglar opening the shutters and window. It may fit, but there's no evidence that it happened.

Exactly,its not set in stone.

[misty]

All of which, Pegasus suggests, fit with a burglar opening the shutters and window. It may fit, but there's no evidence that it happened.

How did the crime scene found by the GNR/PJ (closed window, almost closed shutters) fit with the theory of a staged abduction?

[G-Unit]

Exactly,its not set in stone.

I don't think the supporters agree with Pegasus's opinion, despite admiring his/her methods.

[G-Unit]

How did the crime scene found by the GNR/PJ (closed window, almost closed shutters) fit with the theory of a staged abduction?

I thought we were discussing Pefasus's theory?

[Robittybob1]

According to Pegasus KM was a truthful witness because;

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The crime-scene description by the witness fits with the hard evidence in this room...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1868.msg255653#msg255653

As the only person who claimed to see this evidence was the witness it can hardly be used to confirm the truthfulness of the witness.

Either that or the other person was there as well.

[misty]

I thought we were discussing Pefasus's theory?

Pegasus's theory uses the eye-witness evidence of Kate McCann & provides an explanation of the crime scene. Many sceptics do not believe Kate found the window & shutter as she described yet adhere to the theory the crime scene was staged. So, I ask again - how does the scene found by the GNR/PJ fit with the narrative of a staged crime scene? It can't work both ways.

[Robittybob1]

Pegasus's theory uses the eye-witness evidence of Kate McCann & provides an explanation of the crime scene. Many sceptics do not believe Kate found the window & shutter as she described yet adhere to the theory the crime scene was staged. So, I ask again - how does the scene found by the GNR/PJ fit with the narrative of a staged crime scene? It can't work both ways.

The PJ/GNR seem to accept that others had altered the original scene.

[misty]

The PJ/GNR seem to accept that others had altered the original scene.

Certain items were no doubt moved during the course of internal searches prior to GNR's arrival. However, why do many sceptics cling to the belief the window & shutters were not found as described by Kate but they were consistent with a staged abduction because the PJ said so?