Sceptics beliefs ?

[Mr Gray]

Yes, you may well be right but I'm on my own, I'm a sceptic. A sceptic who ruled out abduction as soon as he got to considering the window. The window with no jemmied shutter.

the window was never jemmied....and kate nor gerry ever said it was...but it was opened from the outside..thats my view

[G-Unit]

cite for one amateur...its about time yoou started to abide by forum rules..lets start now...CITE...

You told ne there was one, despite having claimed there were more. Perhaps I should have demanded a cite from you to support your claim.

"the translators as i understand were amateurs" (your post at 8.43)

You wouldn't be trying to deflect from your attempt to suggest that Kate's interpreter on 6th September was an amateur, would you?

[G-Unit]

Wasn't there supposed to be a list of approved interpreters?
IMO We'll never know the answer to that question.

If you read Kate's book she chose from a list. If you look at her 06/09 statement the list was provided by the British Consulate. No PJ involvement at all.

[Mr Gray]

You told ne there was one, despite having claimed there were more. Perhaps I should have demanded a cite from you to support your claim.

"the translators as i understand were amateurs" (your post at 8.43)

You wouldn't be trying to deflect from your attempt to suggest that Kate's interpreter on 6th September was an amateur, would you?

I never claimed there were more...my understanding is not a claim of fact..its my understanding....

lets look at the facts..
was the interpreter professional....we do not know ..FACT

is the transaltion accurate...we do not know...FACT

[Mr Gray]

If you read Kate's book she chose from a list. If you look at her 06/09 statement the list was provided by the British Consulate. No PJ involvement at all.

who supplied the list to the consulate...were they professional...you dont know....FACT

[Brietta]

If you read Kate's book she chose from a list. If you look at her 06/09 statement the list was provided by the British Consulate. No PJ involvement at all.

Kate recounted that she was handed a list of interpreters by Ricardo Paiva who instructed her to choose one.  That was no way to make any sort of informed decision.
She opted for the first name on the list provided by the PJ and handed to her by the PJ.

[G-Unit]

Kate recounted that she was handed a list of interpreters by Ricardo Paiva who instructed her to choose one.  That was no way to make any sort of informed decision.
She opted for the first name on the list provided by the PJ and handed to her by the PJ.

A list provided by the British Consulate. I think that was very wise of the PJ. Using the Consulate's list and letting her choose meant they couldn't be accused of providing a biased interpreter. Every British Consulate has such a list.
 https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/lists-of-translators-and-interpreters

[Mr Gray]

A list provided by the British Consulate. I think that was very wise of the PJ. Using the Consulate's list and letting her choose meant they couldn't be accused of providing a biased interpreter. Every British Consulate has such a list.
 https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/lists-of-translators-and-interpreters

I haven't  been able to open the list yet... But how reliable are these interpreters... This is what the guidance is...


20 Dec 2013 · These lists have been compiled by British embassies, high commissions and consulates abroad. Our aim is to provide British nationals with relevant information to make better-informed decisions but they are not recommendations and should not be treated as such.




So not recommendations

[G-Unit]

I haven't  been able to open the list yet... But how reliable are these interpreters... This is what the guidance is...


20 Dec 2013 · These lists have been compiled by British embassies, high commissions and consulates abroad. Our aim is to provide British nationals with relevant information to make better-informed decisions but they are not recommendations and should not be treated as such.
So not recommendations

Also untouched by PJ hands, which in this case is the important point imo. I expect they could have hired their own interpreter had they had concerns. Strangely there's no mention of them seeking advice or support before these interviews. They didn't even seem to consult their lawyer.

[Mr Gray]

Also untouched by PJ hands, which in this case is the important point imo. I expect they could have hired their own interpreter had they had concerns. Strangely there's no mention of them seeking advice or support before these interviews. They didn't even seem to consult their lawyer.

Why would they need to consult a lawyer... Innocent parents being interviewed as witnesses... Still no idea on the qualifications of the interpreters

[Mr Gray]

A list provided by the British Consulate. I think that was very wise of the PJ. Using the Consulate's list and letting her choose meant they couldn't be accused of providing a biased interpreter. Every British Consulate has such a list.
 https://www.gov.uk/government/collections/lists-of-translators-and-interpreters

If the PJ had been eise they would have recorded the statements in English... It was pretty stupid of them not to

[G-Unit]

Why would they need to consult a lawyer... Innocent parents being interviewed as witnesses... Still no idea on the qualifications of the interpreters

They were informed on 3rd that they were going to be made arguidos. Accotding to Kate they socialised and went running. No mention of seeking advice. They only reacted after Kate's 6th Sept interview, it seems.

[The General]

the window was never jemmied....and kate nor gerry ever said it was...but it was opened from the outside..thats my view

Big man, old ground again, but both Kate and Gerry told numerous friends and family, and in turn they told the media many, many times.
Unless the friends and family all lied, of course. Or Gerry and/or Kate lied, of course.

[Mr Gray]

Big man, old ground again, but both Kate and Gerry told numerous friends and family, and in turn they told the media many, many times.
Unless the friends and family all lied, of course. Or Gerry and/or Kate lied, of course.

no one lied...and there is no comfirmation that Kate or Gerry used the word Gemmied...its a  chinese whisper

[The General]

no one lied...and there is no comfirmation that Kate or Gerry used the word Gemmied...its a  chinese whisper

. There's a very well established list of people who all went on record and discussed 'jemmied' or a variation thereof and they all state Kate or Gerry said so.
I would be arsed to provide a list, but you would dismiss it out of hand, so no real point.