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Do you have reservations as to Dr Vincent Tabak's guilt as a murderer?

Guilty as Charged
10 (55.6%)
Guilty of Manslaughter not Murder
3 (16.7%)
Think he could be Innocent
3 (16.7%)
He is Innocent
2 (11.1%)

Total Members Voted: 17

Voting closed: April 06, 2017, 02:30:27 PM

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #45 on: April 01, 2017, 12:45:38 PM »
At the police station and for the first three of his preliminary appearances in court, VT was represented by lawyers from Crossman & Co of Radstock and Albion Chambers. The most important thing about this team is that they told the magistrate that he would be applying for bail the next day, only to change their minds the following day at the Crown Court. Why did they do this? The only probable explanation is that the lady from the CPS (who as we know had been planning this for some time) chose her moment to notify VT's lawyers of something that convinced them that bail would not be granted and that their client was therefore guilty.

This is enormously important. I believe that the crying girl ruse was intended to deceive primarily Crossman & Co. You may have other explanations. The CPS may have told VT's lawyers about the 43 injuries to the body (which they would otherwise not have learnt about until their own pathologist examined it later). These had not been made public. They may have alleged that VT attempted to incriminate the landlord, which Crossman & Co wouldn't have known as their client certainly wouldn't have told them.

Did the CPS at this stage reveal to VT's lawyers the contents of CJ's 2nd witness statement, which is STILL to this day a closely guarded secret? Did the CPS at this state reveal what was really talked about during the long, expensive interview at Schiphol, which, again, we can only guess at? Did the CPS reveal that VT already knew Joanna well, as an unattributed press report claimed at the time, though it was never even hinted at in court? The CPS knew that VT would sack his lawyers, and this meant that the new lawyers who took over his defence would not have access to whatever secrets the CPS had revealed to Crossman & Co.

This is all far more important than a naive faith in any so-called confession that anyone who reads what was actually said in court can see for themselves wasn't a confession at all.


The Sobbing girl was definitley a RUSE... she never made an appearance in court.. she was the reason that they arrested Dr Vincent Tabak in the first place (IMO) she had incriminated Dr Vincent Tabak..

So where was she when the Murder Trial took place??????

Or where at least was the phone call that must have been recorded by the Police not played in court, or a written statement from this so called WITNESS!!!!

Where was this evidence??????


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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #46 on: April 01, 2017, 12:56:02 PM »
Did he leave via the little gate??

Well I'm not sure.. again on the video Killers: Vincent tabak around 12.55

Jo,s parents says they notice that there where foot prints going diagonally across the lawn, they encounter a couple walking across the lawn, in a reconstruction.

whether this is Tabak and Tanja I'm not sure, but it begs the question that who ever walked across the lawn possibly did so because the path was

A: slippy because of the snow or

B: It was a shortcut..

Either way it suggests that Vincent Tabak didnt need to mention the little gate, as he would have said he"d taken a shortcut across the lawn..

Who's diagonal footprints where they?

And did they go from right to left diagonally or Left to right diagonally?

I have quoted from an old post, because I still cannot see why Dr Vincent Tabak would walk past Joanna Yeates private entrance, when the easier route is turning left out of his flat on what appears to be a GRAVEL drive.. I have attached a picture..

So who's foot prints were in the snow ???





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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #47 on: April 01, 2017, 04:24:22 PM »
I have quoted from an old post, because I still cannot see why Dr Vincent Tabak would walk past Joanna Yeates private entrance, when the easier route is turning left out of his flat on what appears to be a GRAVEL drive.. I have attached a picture..

So who's foot prints were in the snow ???
If I were Vincent Tabak or Tanja Morson, I would NEVER take the route past the entrance to Joanna's flat, unless I knew her much better than they did. I would feel it to be an intrusion on their private space. Only if there was someone whom I seriously wanted to avoid (such as a nosy journalist or a persistent sales person) standing in the main driveway would I sneak guiltily round the back and along the narrow path - only to be discovered and pounced upon anyway.

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #48 on: April 01, 2017, 05:02:05 PM »
If I were Vincent Tabak or Tanja Morson, I would NEVER take the route past the entrance to Joanna's flat, unless I knew her much better than they did. I would feel it to be an intrusion on their private space. Only if there was someone whom I seriously wanted to avoid (such as a nosy journalist or a persistent sales person) standing in the main driveway would I sneak guiltily round the back and along the narrow path - only to be discovered and pounced upon anyway.

I agree leonora.... there is no reason for anyone to pass their private entrance, when they all had their own, I never understood why Dr Vincent Tabak would do that,... It just adds to they story of how he came across Joanna Yeates... because they can't and I can't see how else he could on that Friday Night... I do not believe he did!!!

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #49 on: April 02, 2017, 05:00:37 PM »
If I were Vincent Tabak or Tanja Morson, I would NEVER take the route past the entrance to Joanna's flat, unless I knew her much better than they did. I would feel it to be an intrusion on their private space. Only if there was someone whom I seriously wanted to avoid (such as a nosy journalist or a persistent sales person) standing in the main driveway would I sneak guiltily round the back and along the narrow path - only to be discovered and pounced upon anyway.

Maybe that was the shortest route to their car?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #50 on: April 02, 2017, 06:17:03 PM »
Maybe that was the shortest route to their car?
- Only if the car was parked by the gate for Flat 1 or further towards the junction with Percival Road - and even then, shortest by only a few paces. Vincent Tabak CYCLED every day and at weekends - he was obviously the sort of fitness enthusiast who would use the stairs at an airport rather than the escalators. I doubt very much if taking a short cut to save a few yards was ever on his agenda.

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #51 on: April 03, 2017, 05:11:47 PM »
It is a mystery to me as to why he was convicted of murder, maybe that is why two jurors declined.   He is an intelligent bloke with a girlfriend, a good job and a loving family such as we were told.  To go out and kill on a premeditated basis was illogical imo.

Given the somewhat complicated criteria for murder versus manslaughter under English Law I believe the verdict was correct.  The evidence from the trial appears to indicate that there was a prolonged assault on Joanna and that she fought for her life.  The claim of accidental killing must surely be discounted in those circumstances.  Although there is no proof that Tabak set out to kill Joanna, the evidence strongly suggests he did so in the end.

http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/homicide_murder_and_manslaughter/

John, your post does seem (to me) to contradict itself!
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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #52 on: April 03, 2017, 05:18:29 PM »
What was the Evidence???????

A Plea and a load of searches that  should be challenged !!!

Partial DNA and Timelines that were with held to trial....

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #53 on: April 04, 2017, 03:49:30 PM »
John, your post does seem (to me) to contradict itself!

The difficulty I believe in this case is that what began as a bit of flirting ended up as a murder.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2017, 09:42:15 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #54 on: April 05, 2017, 10:18:15 AM »
The difficulty I believe in this case is that what began as a bit of flirting ended up as a murder.

I Do NOT believe that there was any flirting going on whatsoever... I believe that's a concocted story by the defence(IMO) to have a reason why Dr Vincent Tabak would apparently attack his next door neighbour whom he hadn't even ever past the time of day with!!!

What did he do.... And forgive my sarcasm..... Go to work,.. work... ,train back home... get home.. go take pictures and then think I won't bother going to Asda I'll see if my lucks in with the girl next door... It's ridiculous to even suggest it (IMO)

Was Dr Vincent Tabak KNOW for getting aggressive when he was rebuffed??????????

Did he get Angry when told NO in general?????

These simple questions should have been STARING everyone in the face at trial..... There was Nothing....And I'll repeat Nothing, given in evidence or anything ever to suggest that this was part of Dr Vincent Tabak's Character!!!

You need MOTIVE!!!! and for the life in me I cannot see ANY!!!!

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #55 on: April 05, 2017, 11:08:09 AM »
Yes, it would have been easy enough to find people who would have been able to tell the court whether VT had ever "come on to" female friends or colleagues, whether he was known to lose his temper, become aggressive when told "no", whether he used cannabis, whether he drank a lot, whether he was the kind of chap who might  dare "try his luck" with a girl next door, whom, so it seems, he did not even know.

But they didn't bother, did they?

We all know why!

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #56 on: April 05, 2017, 11:09:11 AM »
Yes, it would have been easy enough to find people who would have been able to tell the court whether VT had ever "come on to" female friends or colleagues, whether he was known to lose his temper, become aggressive when told "no", whether he used cannabis, whether he drank a lot, whether he was the kind of chap who might  dare "try his luck" with a girl next door, whom, so it seems, he did not even know.

But they didn't bother, did they?

We all know why!

Yes...... because he DIDN"T DO IT... (IMO)!!!!!!

There must have been a much better suspect, than the random next door neighbour, who had NO connection whatsoever too, other than living next door...

Strangling is very personal... you want that person to know your killing them.... he had NO reason to do this and the preposterous scenario that he was into strangulation porn to use for the suggestion that was the reason is ridiculous..

Not being rude.. but you would have at least thought Dr Vincent Tabak would have had his pants down at this point... it doesn't make sense that this was sexual....

The strangulation porn is about controlling someone, and that takes time... lets not forget, they tried to make us believe that he was experienced in this department with the use of prostitutes... Well only an inept inexperienced killer would even attempt such a sexual move and most probaly would have sexually assaulted them anyway!!!! (IMO)


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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #57 on: April 05, 2017, 11:15:58 AM »
Yes...... because he DIDN"T DO IT... (IMO)!!!!!!

He pleaded guilty, so they, apparently, didn't need to bother!

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #58 on: April 05, 2017, 11:17:20 AM »
He pleaded guilty, so they, apparently, didn't need to bother!

Are we NOT supposed to have FACTS to back up a PLEA????

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Re: Who has Doubts as to Dr Vincent Tabak's Guilt ?
« Reply #59 on: April 05, 2017, 11:37:56 AM »
Yes, it would have been easy enough to find people who would have been able to tell the court whether VT had ever "come on to" female friends or colleagues, whether he was known to lose his temper, become aggressive when told "no", whether he used cannabis, whether he drank a lot, whether he was the kind of chap who might  dare "try his luck" with a girl next door, whom, so it seems, he did not even know.

But they didn't bother, did they?

We all know why!

Shouldn't that have come to be part of the "Bad Character Evidence??????  his harrassing of woman??

If there were NO woman to testify to Dr Vincent Tabaks 'Bad Character'.. then he must have been squeeky clean.. Why on God's green earth would he then do something completely out of Character????

Was he on drugs????? Well I don't think so because I'm sure they would have tested his Hair, urine etc and would have had a wealth of evidence to back themselves UP!!!

But alas no.... Nothing....Nothing at all in the way of ANY EVIDENCE to back up this STORY he told!!!!!!