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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #90 on: September 18, 2021, 11:50:10 AM »
Michelle Diskin Bates
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Jeremy Bamber Campaign Team Blog - Mindhouse production is not based on evidence!  https://bambercampaign.blogspot.com
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Michelle Diskin Bates
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They contacted me, but obviously my knowledge of this case was not a match for their agenda! So desperately sad that they were not interested in THE TRUTH Crying facePouting face #shameonthem
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 after so much time, it was great catching up on the Jeremy Bamber campaign. I’m so looking forward to being interviewed for the podcasts very soon Smiling face with 3 hearts
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Offline colsville

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #91 on: September 18, 2021, 12:08:00 PM »
Theroux introduces his latest documentary...

https://news.sky.com/story/louis-theroux-examines-jeremy-bamber-murders-and-reveals-why-legit-people-believe-five-time-killer-is-innocent-12406985

Nothing new here, and I doubt very much detail, if any, on Bamber's numerous bits on the side will be included. It'll cover exactly the same ground superficially as many other "investigative" programmes have done in the past with the same unresolved result, i.e. letting viewers decide which side of the fence they're on, when it's patently obvious to those who've spent time analysing this case, that Sheila Caffell was in no way responsible for the murders.  The CCRC need to put this ridiculous farce to bed once and for all with Bamber Co. Ltd's latest, and hopefully last gratuitous submission.  One thing's for sure... gimcrack cardboard and plasticine models will feature heavily, but Pat Brown won't be in it.


It's not surprising that a white, middle class, middle aged, privately educated man seems happy for people to believe that Bamber may be innocent.  I think there's a bit of (not so)unconscious bias going on.

I thought that Theroux was going to have nothing to do with this doc.  I'm a bit disappointed that he seems to have had quite a bit of influence in its content.  I didn't think he'd be doing all the promotional stuff.

He's too much of a wind up merchant to do this sort of thing.  It's okay to mildly mock Paul Daniels, or a bunch of swingers in America, but that childish, cantankerous attitude should be off limits for a doc of this nature.

He has talked about his inappropriate mocking style in the past, and I thought that was why he created this alternative way of making documentaries.  To keep himself out of the loop.

So far he comes across as someone trying to wind up people who think Bamber is innocent, as well as wind up people who think he's guilty.  If that's true, then he's trivialising the whole thing.

I just don't see why it's such a big thing that Bamber has been protesting his innocence for 35 years.  It neither makes him innocent or guilty.  It's a completely neutral thing in terms of evidence.  It's meaningless.

But Louis Theroux seems to think it's important, like it makes him more innocent somehow.  It doesn't.

Bamber hasn't just been protesting his innocence, he has also just as aggressively protested his sisters guilt.

He has spent 35 years protesting that Sheila is guilty.  Hasn't anyone noticed that?

Who are the legit people who think Bamber is innocent?  That Mark Williams Thomas bloke just seems to take the most controversial viewpoint, without providing any actual evidence.  He does that for all his cases.  Just because you get on the telly, it doesn't make you 'legit'.

We know Peter Sutherst is in it saying that he thinks he's not guilty.  But we know that his evidence has been completely discredited and he was woefully unqualified to asses the photographs.  Will that come out in the doc?

I think overall it will portray Bamber as more guilty than innocent, it has no option but to do that. But I am now thinking it will leave the door open wide enough to allow newbies to the case to say or think he's innocent.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #92 on: September 18, 2021, 04:45:42 PM »

It's not surprising that a white, middle class, middle aged, privately educated man seems happy for people to believe that Bamber may be innocent.  I think there's a bit of (not so)unconscious bias going on.

I thought that Theroux was going to have nothing to do with this doc.  I'm a bit disappointed that he seems to have had quite a bit of influence in its content.  I didn't think he'd be doing all the promotional stuff.

He's too much of a wind up merchant to do this sort of thing.  It's okay to mildly mock Paul Daniels, or a bunch of swingers in America, but that childish, cantankerous attitude should be off limits for a doc of this nature.

He has talked about his inappropriate mocking style in the past, and I thought that was why he created this alternative way of making documentaries.  To keep himself out of the loop.

So far he comes across as someone trying to wind up people who think Bamber is innocent, as well as wind up people who think he's guilty.  If that's true, then he's trivialising the whole thing.

I just don't see why it's such a big thing that Bamber has been protesting his innocence for 35 years.  It neither makes him innocent or guilty.  It's a completely neutral thing in terms of evidence.  It's meaningless.

But Louis Theroux seems to think it's important, like it makes him more innocent somehow.  It doesn't.

Bamber hasn't just been protesting his innocence, he has also just as aggressively protested his sisters guilt.

He has spent 35 years protesting that Sheila is guilty.  Hasn't anyone noticed that?

Who are the legit people who think Bamber is innocent?  That Mark Williams Thomas bloke just seems to take the most controversial viewpoint, without providing any actual evidence.  He does that for all his cases.  Just because you get on the telly, it doesn't make you 'legit'.

We know Peter Sutherst is in it saying that he thinks he's not guilty.  But we know that his evidence has been completely discredited and he was woefully unqualified to asses the photographs.  Will that come out in the doc?

I think overall it will portray Bamber as more guilty than innocent, it has no option but to do that. But I am now thinking it will leave the door open wide enough to allow newbies to the case to say or think he's innocent.

Louis Theroux
Basically it’s a highly charged subject, and it’s a deeply emotional subject, and there are people who are passionately committed on both sides. And so, I’m sure there will be [a backlash]. (Radiotimes)


Does anyone know what Louis Theroux and Mindhouse TV have set in place in terms of support for this ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #93 on: September 18, 2021, 05:04:25 PM »
Louis Thearoux talking to Cydney Yeates for Metro

Whichever version you believe, there are parts that are quite hard to explain, rather mysterious details, so all of those mean that it presents an opportunity to tell an extremely powerful piece of television, a story that will connect with people.’

Director Lottie Gammon, who collaborated with Louis on the series, revealed they had originally planned to dissect the story in three episodes, however, a fourth was added to further provide an in-depth look at the case.

‘We’ve shown that it is really complicated and there are reasons it has stayed in the public eye,’ Gammon said. ‘It is quite novellistic in the way we’ve approached it.

We’ve got a lot of people who are speaking for the first time who haven’t spoken before and lots of first person witnesses from what happened across the board, from friends of Jeremy Bamber, friends of Sheila, police from the trial up to present day.

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/18/louis-theroux-do-i-work-in-tv-or-am-i-a-journalist-who-got-lucky-15276512/amp/?ito=article.mweb.share.floaty.twitter&__twitter_impression=true


What parts are hard to explain? ‘Rather mysterious details’ ? Only if they choose to make them ‘mysterious’ 🙄

Friends of Jeremy Bamber’?

What Charles Marsden, Virginia and Anji Greaves?

Andrew Hunter? 🙄

Who helped extradite a ‘key member of an IRA bomb-making factory in south London’ from Zimbabwe who ‘was widely described as one of the terrorists' "top fixers"
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/northern-ireland-republican-bomb-team-s-fixer-freed-on-extradition-technicality-1068755.html

Poppy Ann Miller?

https://poppyannmiller.blogspot.com/2012/


Aunt Agatha? ⬇️

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11464.msg588683#msg588683

Trudi Benjamin?

Who appears to have gone very quiet?

Convicted/exonerated killer Michael O’Brien ?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #94 on: September 18, 2021, 05:47:27 PM »
And then I did a search for 'Mindhouse' and 'Bamber' and found a tweet from April from the JB Campaign team....and they sound really spooked by this doc. They are not happy. They are not happy one bit!

https://twitter.com/FreeBamberNow/status/1388172207180898305/photo/1

The tweet they released was a paranoid and hypocrisy filled statement denouncing the whole Mindhouse project.  They complain that Mindhouse have obtained crime scene photos of the bodies of the deceased, which they've used 'unethically’ in the doc.

They need to explain what they mean by this

They didn’t see this ⬇️ as an issue

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11464.msg588683#msg588683
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Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #95 on: September 18, 2021, 06:21:30 PM »
Friends of Jeremy Bamber’?
Ex-burglar and wasteful abuser of inverted commas, Mike Teskowski - Aaaarrrgggh!...  Adam Ant and other effete '80s New Romantics... a giggling gaggle of out-of-work TV actresses... then there's Yvonne, as recommended by one supporter to Pat Brown, ("No idea who she is!" - Pat exclaimed puzzlingly).
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #96 on: September 18, 2021, 06:34:36 PM »
Trudi Benjamin?

Who appears to have gone very quiet?
Bamber's bestie has gone AWOL. Her birthday bake-off, extremely-belated graveside eulogy and other sycophantic videos deleted from YouTube, never to surface again, were always good for a laugh.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #97 on: September 18, 2021, 06:42:31 PM »
Bamber's bestie has gone AWOL. Her birthday bake-off, extremely-belated graveside eulogy and other sycophantic videos deleted from YouTube, never to surface again, were always good for a laugh.

Not deleted from the DailyMail website ⬇️

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html

Will she also be on the TV doc?
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Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #98 on: September 18, 2021, 06:49:51 PM »
Not deleted from the DailyMail website ⬇️

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3472521/Mass-murder-Jeremy-Bamber-sends-supporter-read-bizarre-rant-grave-parents-killed-blaming-sister-murdered-mass-killing.html

Will she also be on the TV doc?
Might just about get a mention, along with other members of the barmy army.
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #99 on: September 18, 2021, 08:17:48 PM »
Might just about get a mention, along with other members of the barmy army.

I wouldn’t be at all surprised to learn Michael Naughton will be involved 🙄

https://www.thejusticegap.com/does-jeremy-bamber-have-a-human-right-to-be-released-from-prison-with-immediate-effect/

Welcome to the personal website of Dr Michael Naughton who is well known for his research and writings on the ‘errors’ and/or outright failings of all aspects of the criminal justice system when evaluated through the perspectives of miscarriages of justice and the wrongful conviction and/or imprisonment of factually innocent victims. http://michaeljnaughton.com/

CCRC: Reform or Replace? is an Empowering the Innocent (ETI) campaign targeted at the urgent reform of the Criminal Cases Review Commission (CCRC) or for it to be replaced with a new body that is fit for the purpose of assisting innocent victims to overturn their wrongful convictions. http://michaeljnaughton.com/?page_id=3652

Matthew Stanbury is another one 🙄
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #100 on: September 18, 2021, 09:16:04 PM »
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #101 on: September 18, 2021, 09:38:26 PM »
Notice how none of Bamber’s supporters want to address the Virginia and Anji Greaves fraud nor the date rape of the girl from the Chequers public house

At around 56.00 in the BBC Wales doc re ‘The Clydach murders’ Wyre Davies states,

Simon McKay is a barrister and a leading expert on civil liberties and human rights. He’s concerned about the use of PII which is more commonly used in cases of national security

PII is also used in rape and sexual offence cases
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #102 on: September 19, 2021, 07:22:06 AM »
‘It is a version of events that police initially believed, and Theroux says there are "legit" people who think Bamber is serving a whole-life prison term for a crime he didn't carry out.

"Across the board you'll find people who believe there were serious problems with the case, in terms of how it was investigated and how it was prosecuted," he tells Sky News.

"There are things that are quite hard to explain on both sides.

"There was no forensic evidence of his presence at the farm, which is kind of extraordinary."

Theroux says former detective Mark Williams-Thomas - who helped expose Savile's sexual abuse - is one of those who believes Bamber "didn't do it".

He explains: "There's a lot that's positive about people attempting to find cases of historic crime in which there may have been an error.

"A lot of them are legit people. There are a lot of prominent journalists who would say they would feel Bamber is innocent.

https://www.sunshineradio.co.uk/news/showbiz-news/louis-theroux-examines-jeremy-bamber-murders-and8211-and-reveals-why-legit-people-believe-five-time-killer-is-innocent/

Who - Eric Allison and Simon Hattenstone? 🙄

Bob Woffinden didn’t https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1387438/I-wrong-Jeremy-Bamber-says-crime-writer.html

Mark Newby
Quote
As time goes on in this case, we hope to be able to share parts of the evidence which now supports the fact that every part of the reported case appears to be untrue,

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Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #103 on: September 19, 2021, 07:58:42 AM »

"A lot of them are legit people. There are a lot of prominent journalists who would say they would feel Bamber is innocent.

Aawww... Comments are turned off.  What a pity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20J-xZrhArs
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #104 on: September 19, 2021, 08:43:19 AM »
Aawww... Comments are turned off.  What a pity... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20J-xZrhArs

Being as Eric Allison is a ‘great friend’ of executioner, child killer and sexual predator Bamber’s it’s possible he’ll be appearing in the forthcoming doc - He’s also a ‘legit person’ working for Guardian news


We’ve got a lot of people who are speaking for the first time who haven’t spoken before

https://metro.co.uk/2021/09/18/louis-theroux-do-i-work-in-tv-or-am-i-a-journalist-who-got-lucky-15276512/amp/?ito=article.mweb.share.floaty.twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Was Louis Theroux referring to someone like Poppy Ann Miller?

Mindhouse TV would surely have seen her blogs and tweets and other news articles? https://www.pinterest.co.uk/pin/335518240980108979/

Who of his ‘friends’ haven’t spoken before?

I suspect this statement is a lie
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