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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #165 on: September 21, 2021, 11:38:05 AM »
CAL said she decided not to publish any crime scene photos in her book, but she didn't say where those photos would have originated from if she had.  Mike Ainsley may or may not have allowed her to publish the photos he might have in his possession.   

Is the attached Mindhouse colour pic of Mike Ainsley who appears in the doc?

https://simonwilkinson.photoshelter.com/image/I00005EAyJho0wuc

Yep... same broad chin, bushy forelocks and absence of sideburns in both pics, 35 years apart.

Plus Mick Ainsley will be able to set the record straight during the airing of the forthcoming docu series

https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm-88834c5f-a6ab-4ef3-9922-98f9cb4708b3/episodes/season-1/episode-1

Although Louis Theroux and co will already know the answer and will have done for some time I suspect
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #166 on: September 21, 2021, 12:10:07 PM »
I thought I'd have a look and see when or if that Sky Crime doc on Jeremy Bamber was going to be broadcast.  I couldn't find anything on Sky, so I looked at Mindhouse productions website and they have it 'advertised' there.

https://mindhouse.co.uk/the-bambers-murder-at-the-farm

What's interesting is that it is now a 4 x 60 minute documentary rather than the 3 x 60 minutes that they were saying back in January.

At 4 hours it sounds like it's going to be a very comprehensive documentary.  That should be plenty of time to examine the propaganda and lies spewed out by Bamber and his support group over the years.

And then I did a search for 'Mindhouse' and 'Bamber' and found a tweet from April from the JB Campaign team....and they sound really spooked by this doc. They are not happy. They are not happy one bit!

https://twitter.com/FreeBamberNow/status/1388172207180898305/photo/1

The tweet they released was a paranoid and hypocrisy filled statement denouncing the whole Mindhouse project.  They complain that Mindhouse have obtained crime scene photos of the bodies of the deceased, which they've used 'unethically' in the doc.

They conveniently leave out the fact that they themselves, via Bamber and his lawyers, have published numerous dead body images of Sheila and June Bamber, all without legal permission, and without any thought to the dignity and respect of those people depicted in the photographs. 

We've all had to put up with viewing faked photoshopped images of Sheila's wounds thanks to Jeremy Bamber and that support group of his. 

I've got a feeling that Mindhouse/Sky Crime are going to finally put the record straight on all of this.  And there is nothing that Jeremy Bamber or his lawyers can do to stop it. 

What does seem apparent is Mindhouse TV do not view them to be reliable sources 
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #167 on: September 21, 2021, 12:42:42 PM »
Excerpt by David James Smith during a speech given at the University of Sussex Crime Research Centre (CRC) Annual Public Lecture on Wednesday 28 July 2021

A fascinating thing about him that I always cite, is that Jeremy Bamber has no diagnosis of being mentally ill or a psychopath. To all intents and purposes he is as normal as you and me. He charms people still and wins them over to his cause. He is a fascinating study of the essence of investigating miscarriages of justice. He is what it’s all about. The claim and counter claim, the obscuring of the truth, the complexity and ambiguity of the evidence, the lingering suggestion of police impropriety.
http://www.sussex.ac.uk/crime/newsandevents

Why does David James Smith ‘always cite’ this when it’s not true?

Carol Ann Lee - Mail on Sunday - 11th July 2015
‘….the psychiatrist engaged by Bamber’s defence team said that his very real belief that he had not committed the murders was a prime reason for diagnosing him as a psychopath.’
‘If ever there was a psychopath, it’s Jeremy Bamber.’


David James Smith worked for the CCRC reviewing Criminal convictions.

If he’s wrong on this what else has he been wrong on?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #168 on: September 21, 2021, 03:38:53 PM »
Annette Newman has asked Louis Theroux direct on Twitter

annette newman
@titchnewman
Replying to
@louistheroux
How did you obtain the crime scene photographs. ?
The real facts and evidence are on the podcasts White House farm Jeremy Bamber. Which prove beyond any doubt Jeremy is innocent
7:44 PM · Sep 14, 2021·Twitter for iPad

https://mobile.twitter.com/titchnewman/status/1437849705480916999

Is she not aware there could be several sources for the distribution of the crime scene photos

Bamber (And anyone he could have chosen to send copies to)
Bamber’s ex CT members?
Andrew Hunter
Mike Teskowski
Giavanni di Stefano (And possibly his son Michael)
Eric Allison
Mark Williams Thomas

Hasn’t Bill Robertson also seen them and passed them round ? Or was that someone else?

And didn’t David over on the blue forum say he’d had or seen crime scene photos from Andrew Hunter?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #169 on: September 21, 2021, 03:46:11 PM »
I do believe Julie Mugford and I don’t believe she ‘knew’ Bamber was planning to kill his family members

I suspect the hints he gave her which she mentioned in her WS’s prior to the murders were subtle comments Julie brushed off at the time

And given the length of time of her knowing him, I don’t suppose she immediately thought he’d committed the murders - not on a conscious level at least

In the clip of Julie here at around 27:13 https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bcTvqLk0MWU she states - with hindsight,

‘I didn’t think that at stage anyone would believe me’

and Jeremy was also so terribly confident that nobody could do anything about it that he said there was nothing I could do anyway’

There are a lot of facts in the above doc but I don’t buy into the narration.

However at around 7:15 Stan Jones says how he overheard Bamber ‘chuckle’

Will be interesting to see if the forthcoming Mindhouse doc explores the various misleading narratives told over the years
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #170 on: September 21, 2021, 04:27:20 PM »
Stuart Bower

Is he ‘legit’ ?

’Former cop aims to help free Jeremy Bamber’ - 17th Feb 2021

Excerpts:
Former policeman Stuart Bower, from Hove, has been writing to the convicted killer since 2007 and believes Bamber has evidence which may exonerate him.

“In 1985, I was put in prison for a crime I didn’t commit,” said former West Yorkshire policeman Mr Bower.

“It took me nine years to clear my name in an uncontested appeal in 1994.

Mr Bower was convicted of arson on a boat he owned jointly with his father-in-law.

He spent six months in custody and was awarded £475,000 in damages as a result.

“What happened to me is why I have put myself forward on more than one occasion to assist other people who have been victims of miscarriages of justice,” he said.

“Mr Bower said: “There was a documentary and one of the sergeants who attended the scene and was joined there by Jeremy Bamber said they saw somebody moving in the upstairs windows – they withdrew back and hid behind a hedge waiting for the firearms unit to arrive.

“This sergeant said that it was an optical illusion caused by moonshine on the window – which is what caused me to write to the science museum, directed to the Royal Observatory Edinburgh, who confirmed the moon wasn’t shining that night.

“To be exact, it was in its last quarter which means it was nothing more than a silver sickle in the sky.”

Mr Bower continues to write to and receive letters from Bamber.

Stuart Bower has been writing letters to Bamber since 2007

He has also written to Hove and Portslade MP Peter Kyle, urging him to get involved in the case.

He wrote: “If Jeremy Bamber was to write to you himself, would you be willing to take up the cudgels on his behalf, and refer this to the Home Secretary and demand that a copy of the audio message of the three nines call is handed over to his defence team?”


https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/19097573.amp/?__twitter_impression=true


Stuart Bower
https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1991-03-22/debates/fafed605-23b2-4769-9ee3-74ff3fcc9c19/StuartBower

Ex-officer sues police after 25 years
Yorkshire Post - 23rd Nov 2010 by Andrew Robinson

A FORMER police officer who was wrongfully convicted of arson is suing his former employers and demanding to be reinstated – 25 years after he left the force.
Stuart Bower, now aged 60, left the West Yorkshire force in 1985 after he was convicted of arson on a boat he jointly owned with his father-in-law.
He spent three months in jail, with a further six months of his sentence suspended but was later cleared on appeal and won damages of £475,000.
Now, 25 years after he left, Mr Bower is suing the force for £500,000 – 21 years of wages from May 1985 until March 2006, plus a full pension backdated to March 2006.
Mr Bower has submitted an 87-page writ to the High Court for reinstatement to the force and further damages, claiming his resignation was “illegally obtained” following pressure from senior officers.
He also says he was “denied his lawful rights and privileges” to return to his job after clearing his name and was the “victim of a conspiracy”.
In papers submitted to the court in London, Sir Norman Bettison, Chief Constable of West Yorkshire Police, is named as the defendant.
Mr Bower is suing West Yorkshire Police for 21 years’ wages from May 1985 until March 2006, plus a full index-linked pension backdated to March 2006.
Hesaid: “It is impossible to put an exact figure on the amount claimed until such times as the court rules on what rank I could reasonably have expected to have obtained had it not been for a wrongful conviction.”
He also claims he repeatedly asked West Yorkshire Police for an investigation into the case but was denied one for 10 years. When an inquiry did take place in 2004, he alleges the investigator “refused to follow any line of inquiry that would lead to a successful conclusion”.
In his writ, he says: “My dispute with West Yorkshire Police has become a long ongoing saga.
This has grown out of all proportion. I am now entitled to expect the new Chief Constable (Sir Norman Bettison) to put matters right.”
West Yorkshire Police declined to comment because of ongoing court proceedings.


I presume he is aware the Court of Appeal haven’t ‘cleared him’ per se ?

I’ve not been able to source anything in regards to this so called ‘uncontested Appeal’ of Stuart Bower’s nor have I found anything linked to his alleged almost half a million pound payout

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/17593245.vote-sick-lot-them-says-candidate/

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/3653781.motorist-takes-on-parking-fine-and-wins/

Retired police officer Stuart’  ⬅️ red flag right there?

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/grieving-sons-brilliant-monty-python-7656780

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/10983941.former-policeman-calls-for-judicial-review-into-brighton-and-hove-golliwog-row/

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/17003146.frustrated-resident-loses-legal-challenge-parking-permits/

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/9950997.the-death-penalty/

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/1113311.we-are-allowed-private-opinions/

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4311478.solution-to-lead-thefts/

https://www.theargus.co.uk/news/4307501.former-police-officers-view-from-other-side-of-the-line/

Has Mr Bower ever published any details of his case?

https://hansard.parliament.uk/Commons/1991-03-22/debates/fafed605-23b2-4769-9ee3-74ff3fcc9c19/StuartBower

And did he spend 6 or 3 months in custody?
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #171 on: September 21, 2021, 06:54:07 PM »
Bamber's bestie has gone AWOL. Her birthday bake-off, extremely-belated graveside eulogy and other sycophantic videos deleted from YouTube, never to surface again

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73janUtGz8Y&feature=youtu.be
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #172 on: September 21, 2021, 06:56:27 PM »
Why does David James Smith ‘always cite’ this when it’s not true?

Carol Ann Lee - Mail on Sunday - 11th July 2015
‘….the psychiatrist engaged by Bamber’s defence team said that his very real belief that he had not committed the murders was a prime reason for diagnosing him as a psychopath.’
‘If ever there was a psychopath, it’s Jeremy Bamber.’


David James Smith worked for the CCRC reviewing Criminal convictions.

If he’s wrong on this what else has he been wrong on?

Terry Mullens
we mustn’t test people we know for certain that are psychopaths’ 🙄

2:25
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Do7E5ksS5jQ
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #173 on: September 21, 2021, 07:15:43 PM »
His fraudster dad must have been released and given him ideas and a bundle of faked photos.

Q: ‘Wasn’t it your dad who seemingly doctored the images placed into the public domain - circa early 2000’s ?’

Michael Di Stefano
@DiStefano1410
Replying to
@HiddenInjustice
 @ccrcupdate
 and 4 others
I actually asked him about this today, he said “absolutely not” as the evidence he has/had he got directly off the police after disclosure hearings. ✌🏼
6:27 PM · Sep 21, 2021·Twitter for iPhone



David Jessel outed Giovanni Di Stefano back in 2004

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/3567653.stm

It seems you now have to log in to Vimeo to watch the BBC HARDtalk interview https://vimeo.com/23915286

David Jessel grilled him on his papers - worth watching if you haven’t already

How, after the above, would the police hand over sensitive crime scene photos?

Will the real Giovanni Di Stefano please stand up?’
"One of nature's fraudsters" is how a British judge described him when sentencing him to five years in prison in 1986, saying he was a "swindler without scruple or conscience".
Fraud. An inconvenient blot that keeps popping up in Di Stefano's infamous life and threatening to spoil his party. But it's also his driving force, his raison d'etre - to show up justice itself as the fraud.
Di Stefano explains away his convictions as mistakes that have since been corrected - on appeal. Unfortunately they weren't. But such is his nature that even when he's caught out he'll brazenly deny the facts.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/will-the-real-giovanni-di-stefano-please-stand-up/RYNK7OU2ONV5I4RIRESYE3ROCI/
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Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #174 on: September 21, 2021, 07:31:31 PM »
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=73janUtGz8Y&feature=youtu.be
If I'd known five years ago she was having a garage sale in her back yard, I'd have offered a couple of quid for that gas barbie.
Every little helps poor Jem.  8(8-))
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #175 on: September 21, 2021, 07:50:16 PM »
Q: ‘Wasn’t it your dad who seemingly doctored the images placed into the public domain - circa early 2000’s ?’

Michael Di Stefano
@DiStefano1410
Replying to
@HiddenInjustice
 @ccrcupdate
 and 4 others
I actually asked him about this today, he said “absolutely not” as the evidence he has/had he got directly off the police after disclosure hearings. ✌🏼
6:27 PM · Sep 21, 2021·Twitter for iPhone



David Jessel outed Giovanni Di Stefano back in 2004

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/hardtalk/3567653.stm

It seems you now have to log in to Vimeo to watch the BBC HARDtalk interview https://vimeo.com/23915286

David Jessel grilled him on his papers - worth watching if you haven’t already

How, after the above, would the police hand over sensitive crime scene photos?
I bet his fellow lags are really sick he won't be released.  It must be hell being kept awake all night by his endless caterwauling din...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AB9VuSE3JA
It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #176 on: September 21, 2021, 07:57:27 PM »
I bet his fellow lags are really sick he won't be released.  It must be hell being kept awake all night by his endless caterwauling din...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AB9VuSE3JA

The door @)(++(* did you see the door  @)(++(*

Think I prefer his duets 

And am guessing Michael did this for his dad  @)(++(*
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Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #177 on: September 21, 2021, 08:03:01 PM »
I bet his fellow lags are really sick he won't be released.  It must be hell being kept awake all night by his endless caterwauling din...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AB9VuSE3JA

Do you think this could actually be Michael pretending to be his dad ?
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Offline Myster

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #178 on: September 21, 2021, 08:23:26 PM »
Do,you think this could actually be Michael pretending to be his dad ?
His son must be running the YouTube account whilst pa's banged up without internet access.

Just watching the Vimeo interview... Jessel can't get a word in edgeways!

Definitely pa trying to sing though.
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It's one of them cases, in'it... one of them f*ckin' cases.

Offline Nicholas

Re: The Bambers: Murder at the farm - Sky Crime documentary
« Reply #179 on: September 21, 2021, 08:54:21 PM »
His son must be running the YouTube account whilst pa's banged up without internet access.

Just watching the Vimeo interview... Jessel can't get a word in edgeways!

Definitely pa trying to sing though.

I’m guessing Mike Teskowski or Bamber gave Di Stefano the case files and photos he put together for the album he shows off in the ‘killing mum and dad’ doc (which was made by Redbrick productions - whose MD was Vivian McGrath https://www.vivianmcgrath.com/cv/)

https://www.eadt.co.uk/news/new-evidence-claim-in-bamber-case-7444766

because he was under police investigation around the same time

https://amp.theguardian.com/uk/2004/jan/28/ukcrime.rosiecowan1



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