Jeremy's 1992 complaint about the police investigation. Why ?

[adam]

In August 1992, seven years after the massacre, the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary. Jeremy reacting by wreaking his prison cell and writing 'FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT' in excrement.

On the massacre night, the police arrived promptly on the scene, passing Jeremy on the way.

The police were told there were a lot of guns inside WHF which Sheila knew how to use. Sheila was a nutter, psychotic depressive do lally and a looney. Neville had rang saying Sheila had gone crazy with a gun.

The police wisely called for armed back up. As well as generously agreeing for a police car to pick up Julie. Allowing Jeremy to leave the scene to ring her and say 'I've only got one 10p. A police car is coming to pick you up'. Although no one had entered WHF at this point.

Armed back up assessed the situation before entering WHF. Finding the five dead bodies. Jeremy then telling another officer Sheila had committed child abuse on the twins. Something that he had not reported to the police.

For the next month the police went along with Jeremy's version of events. As the judge said, they were expertly lead into a direction by the defendant himself.  Some police were suspicious but were overruled. Jeremy being very friendly and co operative with everyone. Items were removed from the scene. With Jeremy's approval.

As more compelling evidence came to light and Julie approached the police, attention turned away from murder/suicide to murder. The police are perfectly entitled to change direction on a case.

Jeremy was charged when returning from another holiday. This time in St Tropez. He suddenly became not so friendly with the police as the 'police interview transcripts thread highlights.

The police have been proved correct in their actions and in changing their approach. The DPP accepted their evidence for trial. Then the jury reached a guilty verdict. Appeals have failed and no proof of  fraudulent actions, framing or attempted cover ups  by the police on the case have been found in the last 29 years.

During and after trial, the police admitted their mistakes. They were criticised in the press and by the home office. The judge mentioned the police mistakes in his summing up, assisted by Jeremy's direction.  Drastic law changes in crime scene investigations were implemented. The police took everything on board.

It was unlikely any complaint by Jeremy would be upheld. After all he had not been acquitted at trial or released on appeal.

If the relatives are wrong about Jeremy  'having nothing better to do',  what was the basis of Jeremy's own complaint about the police ?

[Holly Goodhead]

In August 1992, seven years after the massacre, the Police Complaints Authority dismissed Jeremy's concerns over the way the original investigation was handled by Essex Constabulary. Jeremy reacting by wreaking his prison cell and writing 'FREE BAMBER HE IS INNOCENT' in excrement.

On the massacre night, the police arrived promptly on the scene, passing Jeremy on the way.

The police were told there were a lot of guns inside WHF which Sheila knew how to use. Sheila was a nutter, psychotic depressive do lally and a looney. Neville had rang saying Sheila had gone crazy with a gun.

The police wisely called for armed back up. As well as generously agreeing for a police car to pick up Julie. Allowing Jeremy to leave the scene to ring her and say 'I've only got one 10p. A police car is coming to pick you up'. Although no one had entered WHF at this point.

Armed back up assessed the situation before entering WHF. Finding the five dead bodies. Jeremy then telling another officer Sheila had committed child abuse on the twins. Something that he had not reported to the police.

For the next month the police went along with Jeremy's version of events. As the judge said, they were expertly lead into a direction by the defendant himself.  Some police were suspicious but were overruled. Jeremy being very friendly and co operative with everyone. Items were removed from the scene. With Jeremy's approval.

As more compelling evidence came to light and Julie approached the police, attention turned away from murder/suicide to murder. The police are perfectly entitled to change direction on a case.

Jeremy was charged when returning from another holiday. This time in St Tropez. He suddenly became not so friendly with the police as the 'police interview transcripts thread highlights.

The police have been proved correct in their actions and in changing their approach. The DPP accepted their evidence for trial. Then the jury reached a guilty verdict. Appeals have failed and no proof of  fraudulent actions, framing or attempted cover ups  by the police on the case have been found in the last 29 years.

During and after trial, the police admitted their mistakes. They were criticised in the press and by the home office. The judge mentioned the police mistakes in his summing up, assisted by Jeremy's direction.  Drastic law changes in crime scene investigations were implemented. The police took everything on board.

It was unlikely any complaint by Jeremy would be upheld. After all he had not been acquitted at trial or released on appeal.

If the relatives are wrong about Jeremy  'having nothing better to do',  what was the basis of Jeremy's own complaint about the police ?

Try telling the relatives of the victims of Hillsborough, Bloody Sunday etc that they "have nothing better to do".  It's called a 'whitewash' Adam and potentially the same with WHF.  The difference between say Hillsborough and Bloody Sunday and WHF is that JB is a lone wolf.  All cover ups/wrongdoing are unmasked in the end and it will be no different with WHF.  If any wrongdoing has taken place then I feel very confident it will eventually be exposed. Often these things take decades to unravel: aforementioned, financial crisis, MP 's expenses, Jimmy Savile, celeb sex abuse eg Harris etc, sex abuse in church, sex abuse cases awaiting a suitable chair to investigate, MoJ's eg Sally Clarke, Stefan Kiszko etc, etc

[adam]

Jeremy has accused the relatives of planting the incriminating evidence on the silencer. This was impossible for them to do.

But if they did attempt it they would not tell the police. So not sure what the police are supposed to have done.

They had no financial motive to change direction after one month. They were brave to do it. Knowing they would get criticism whether they got a conviction or not.

[adam]

The police arrested Jeremy after getting results on the silencer. Together with JM approaching them. Both happening around the same time.

Lots of other things were falling into place beforehand. Further forensic evidence together with what the judge said were 'a number of curious coincidences' & a 'mountain of circumstantial evidence'.

The police were just following the evidence and witnesses. There were only two suspects, one of them having a motive and opportunity.

[Holly Goodhead]

Jeremy has accused the relatives of planting the incriminating evidence on the silencer. This was impossible for them to do.

But if they did attempt it they would not tell the police. So not sure what the police are supposed to have done.

They had no financial motive to change direction after one month. They were brave to do it. Knowing they would get criticism whether they got a conviction or not.

I understand the silencer will feature in the latest CCRC submission on the basis that it was contaminated.  I'm sure many will argue not before time!  Due to the way the silencer was found and subsequently handled prior to arriving at FSS it is bound to be controversial! 

I understand the defence team were within their rights to present contamination to the jury but chose not to. Had they have done they would effectively have been asking the jury to either believe JB ie he didn't use the silencer/carry out the murders OR believe there was some accidental/deliberate contamination by the relatives/EP.  The defence felt it was a tall order to ask the jury to buy JB over the relatives and EP!?

So instead the defence run with the ridiculous notion that SC used the silencer and returned it to the gun cupboard before shooting herself.  Imo this required the jury to believe something that just didn't sound credible:

- that the blood in the silencer was not SC's but an intimate mix of June and NB's.  According to the expert evidence this was a "remote possibility".

- that SC in some sort of hugely disturbed state would murder her adoptive parents and twin sons and then replace the silencer in packaging in a bag at the back of the gun cupboard behind a dart board before returning to the bedroom to shoot herself.

[adam]

How can you accidentally contaminate a silencer with Neville's, June's & Sheila's blood ? And June's DNA. Or deliberately for that matter ?

Jeremy is going around in circles. He spent a lot of time focusing on the silencer after conviction.  Not sure what he was expecting to find. Who else's blood could it be ?

The silencer no longer exists. Being destroyed in 1996. Probably because there was nothing left to test after ten years.

Agree that the defences claim about Sheila putting it away was weak. But accusing the relatives or police of contamination was not a great idea either. Jeremy has since accused the relatives of deliberate contamination.

[guinness]

Wow Adam you seem to know an awful lot about the case . You must have spent a lot of time studying it. But are you sure the silencer was destroyed in 1996? thought it was the subject of DNA testing at a later date? But of course I will bow to your superior knowledge

[Caroline]

Wow Adam you seem to know an awful lot about the case . You must have spent a lot of time studying it. But are you sure the silencer was destroyed in 1996? thought it was the subject of DNA testing at a later date? But of course I will bow to your superior knowledge

 &%&£(+

[Holly Goodhead]

How can you accidentally contaminate a silencer with Neville's, June's & Sheila's blood ? And June's DNA. Or deliberately for that matter ?

Jeremy is going around in circles. He spent a lot of time focusing on the silencer after conviction.  Not sure what he was expecting to find. Who else's blood could it be ?

The silencer no longer exists. Being destroyed in 1996. Probably because there was nothing left to test after ten years.

Agree that the defences claim about Sheila putting it away was weak. But accusing the relatives or police of contamination was not a great idea either. Jeremy has since accused the relatives of deliberate contamination.

There is no evidence that SC's blood was ever in the silencer.  Or an intimate mix of NB's and June's. The blood found in the silencer represented SC's blood type/group.  It also represented an intimate mix of NB's and June's blood type/group.  Blood type/groups are shared by many members of the population.  Indeed RWB's blood/type group matched SC's and that found in the silencer:

                          ABO                    PGM                    EAP                     AK                    Hp

Nevill Bamber           O                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                   Hp2-1
June Bamber            A                         PGM1+                EAP BA               AK2-1                Hp2-1
Daniel Caffell            O                        PGM2+1+            EAP B                 AK1                   Hp2
Nicholas Caffell         O                        PGM2+1+           EAP B                 AK1                    Hp2
Sheila Caffell            A                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                    Hp2-1

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Blood In Silencer      A                        Nil                        EAP BA              AK1                    Hp2-1
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Robert Boutflour       A                         PGM1+                EAP BA              AK1                     Hp2-1

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The Jeremy supporters are mistaken in their belief that the blood might have been animal blood.  The tests undertaken show typical human features across the blood grouping and enzymes and protein.

ABO = Blood Group System

PGM = Phosphoglucomutase (Enzyme) Breaks down quickly outside the body hence blood in silencer was unable to produce a reading

EAP = Erythrocyte Acid Phosphatase (Enzyme)

AK = Adenylate Kinase (Enzyme)

HP = Haptoglobin (Protein)

It is a waste of time discussing the DNA evidence from the 2002 appeal since contamination cannot be ruled out and in fact quite likely occurred.  That is why the three appeal court judges found the results were "completely meaningless". 

The fact is Adam the silencer should have been left in situ.  Not handled by the relatives, scraped at with a razor blade and generally poked and prodded.  Moreover when DS Jones was informed of the find and went to Oak Farm to collect it, he should have taken with him an exhibit bag to preserve the integrity of the silencer/exhibit.  Not turn up empty handed and then improvise by using the inner cardboard of a kitchen roll and taping both ends.  Then instead of hurrying back to the station he sat around for hours drinking whisky with Peter Eaton   &%+((£

[puglove]

There is no evidence that SC's blood was ever in the silencer.  Or an intimate mix of NB's and June's. The blood found in the silencer represented SC's blood type/group.  It also represented an intimate mix of NB's and June's blood type/group.  Blood type/groups are shared by many members of the population.  Indeed RWB's blood/type group matched SC's and that found in the silencer:

                          ABO                    PGM                    EAP                     AK                    Hp

Nevill Bamber           O                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                   Hp2-1
June Bamber            A                         PGM1+                EAP BA               AK2-1                Hp2-1
Daniel Caffell            O                        PGM2+1+            EAP B                 AK1                   Hp2
Nicholas Caffell         O                        PGM2+1+           EAP B                 AK1                    Hp2
Sheila Caffell            A                        PGM1+                EAP BA               AK1                    Hp2-1

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Blood In Silencer      A                        Nil                        EAP BA              AK1                    Hp2-1
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Robert Boutflour       A                         PGM1+                EAP BA              AK1                     Hp2-1

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The Jeremy supporters are mistaken in their belief that the blood might have been animal blood.  The tests undertaken show typical human features across the blood grouping and enzymes and protein.

ABO = Blood Group System

PGM = Phosphoglucomutase (Enzyme) Breaks down quickly outside the body hence blood in silencer was unable to produce a reading

EAP = Erythrocyte Acid Phosphatase (Enzyme)

AK = Adenylate Kinase (Enzyme)

HP = Haptoglobin (Protein)

It is a waste of time discussing the DNA evidence from the 2002 appeal since contamination cannot be ruled out and in fact quite likely occurred.  That is why the three appeal court judges found the results were "completely meaningless". 

The fact is Adam the silencer should have been left in situ.  Not handled by the relatives, scraped at with a razor blade and generally poked and prodded.  Moreover when DS Jones was informed of the find and went to Oak Farm to collect it, he should have taken with him an exhibit bag to preserve the integrity of the silencer/exhibit.  Not turn up empty handed and then improvise by using the inner cardboard of a kitchen roll and taping both ends.  Then instead of hurrying back to the station he sat around for hours drinking whisky with Peter Eaton   &%+((£

Gosh Holl.....it's just so WEIRD to read an intelligent Bamber supporter. Usually it's "Shut up you. I'm 97 years old, I buy dollies for consumptive orphans (awww) and Jeremy is innocent because I SAY SO!"...or..."Now then, young fellow-me-lad, may I humbly advise you to acquire a logical and suspicious mind, like what I have got"  (shortly followed by "Piss off you cock-sucking tyros, I'm going, I'm leaving, I definitely won't be back, farewell forever" and a rubber ring getting kicked across a shed).

When are you going to join us, Holl? You know you want to!!        %£&)**#


Meanwhile, here's a message of encouragement from a well-respected celebrity.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdQZ4EHn0kE

[John]

Bamber will do anything to keep his case alive because that is what drives him. The silencer issue is irrelevant, so what if it was accidentally contaminated because everything else adds up to the same thing, Sheila couldn't have done it so that leaves only one person, Jeremy Bamber.

The police back in 1985 might have been inept but they got their man in the end. Mickey Mouse complaints aren't going to get Bamber out of jail.

[Holly Goodhead]

Gosh Holl.....it's just so WEIRD to read an intelligent Bamber supporter. Usually it's "Shut up you. I'm 97 years old, I buy dollies for consumptive orphans (awww) and Jeremy is innocent because I SAY SO!"...or..."Now then, young fellow-me-lad, may I humbly advise you to acquire a logical and suspicious mind, like what I have got"  (shortly followed by "Piss off you cock-sucking tyros, I'm going, I'm leaving, I definitely won't be back, farewell forever" and a rubber ring getting kicked across a shed).

When are you going to join us, Holl? You know you want to!!        %£&)**#


Meanwhile, here's a message of encouragement from a well-respected celebrity.....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdQZ4EHn0kE

Cheers   

Seriously that was my first 45 rpm.  49p from Woolies.  Fond memories now scarred by knowing my pop idol was a paedophile