Who would trust Bojo or Trump

[John]

Interesting comment here:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/03/the-democrats-party-of-joe-mccarthy-and-lyndon-johnson.html

snip>>>>>
"Clinton and her globalism enthusiasts, all reading from the «New Age imperialism» playbooks of George Soros and Gene Sharp, will expect NATO to support US adventurism in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and south Asia. But British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, a major driving force behind Brexit, will not be a pushover for the Clinton crowd. And if Marine Le Pen should defeat her Socialist and conservative rivals in the 2017 French presidential election and steers France away from the European Union, it could provide a situation where the United States confronts a hostile Britain, France, and Russia, along with Hungary and Austria and, possibly Italy. We could actually see the end of American influence-peddling in Europe with a combination of a Clinton presidency and the rise of populist anti-globalist governments in Europe".<<<<< snip

Cant see it, the special relationship means exactly that, special!

[Carana]

Interesting comment here:
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2016/08/03/the-democrats-party-of-joe-mccarthy-and-lyndon-johnson.html

snip>>>>>
"Clinton and her globalism enthusiasts, all reading from the «New Age imperialism» playbooks of George Soros and Gene Sharp, will expect NATO to support US adventurism in Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa, and south Asia. But British Foreign Secretary Boris Johnson, a major driving force behind Brexit, will not be a pushover for the Clinton crowd. And if Marine Le Pen should defeat her Socialist and conservative rivals in the 2017 French presidential election and steers France away from the European Union, it could provide a situation where the United States confronts a hostile Britain, France, and Russia, along with Hungary and Austria and, possibly Italy. We could actually see the end of American influence-peddling in Europe with a combination of a Clinton presidency and the rise of populist anti-globalist governments in Europe".<<<<< snip

I have a hope that BoJO may be pulling his socks up.

In Trump's case, it doesn't seem clear from one day to the next where any hypothetically literal Trump socks may have actually been manufactured.

[Carana]

A media joke doing the rounds is questioning his ties with Russia. A reply from a tongue-in-cheek media outlet is that his ties were made in China.

[Angelo222]

I have a hope that BoJO may be pulling his socks up.

In Trump's case, it doesn't seem clear from one day to the next where any hypothetically literal Trump socks may have actually been manufactured.

Didn't you know that Boris is Theresa's secret weapon?

[Alice Purjorick]

Cant see it, the special relationship means exactly that, special!

You mean as in when the Yanks say "jump" we say "how high"  ?.
We finished paying "lend lease" in Gordon Browns tenure and the days of of Blair and Bush junior, in matching black denim trousers with bomber jackets with an eagle on the back are long since gone. Even "Call me Dave" said to the effect "I must put this before Parliament to vote on before overtly helping you fund terrorists to bash that nasty Mr Assad". You know Mr Assad; him wot happens to lead the government of Syria.

[Alice Purjorick]

I have a hope that BoJO may be pulling his socks up.

In Trump's case, it doesn't seem clear from one day to the next where any hypothetically literal Trump socks may have actually been manufactured.

At one time by skilled craftsmen in the Leicester, Derby, Nottingham triangle.
Now on fast machines in China and Bangladesh. Maybe the Luddites had a point after all 

[Carana]

At one time by skilled craftsmen in the Leicester, Derby, Nottingham triangle.
Now on fast machines in China and Bangladesh. Maybe the Luddites had a point after all 

Possibly.... But WTF is he ranting on about other countries stealing US jobs, when a significant part of his own production lines are actually manufactured outside the US?

[Carana]

To put it as politely as I can... a substantial part of his logic and fact-finding are obviously a little too much for my small brain.

[Carana]

His history of litigation is mind-boggling (IMO).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

[Alice Purjorick]

Possibly.... But WTF is he ranting on about other countries stealing US jobs, when a significant part of his own production lines are actually manufactured outside the US?

It is what politicians do because it is what people want to hear.
They do not want to hear:
1. Full employment is a pipe dream. (Except possibly in war time. Now there's a thought...)
2. Some people are unemployable.
3. Our own unit labour costs are so high only the mega rich can afford to buy what we produce.
4. We shunt things out to third world country sweat shops cos that way you can then afford to buy things to which you believe you are entitled just cos you breathe.
Long before everyone got in a muck sweat about Polish plumbers and Lithuanian cabbage pullers most hotels along the south coast employed a lot of French and Belgian staff cos the Brits would not take the jobs. Not only that on average the gastarbeiter were better looking more articulate and better mannered.

[Carana]

And I was barely aware of the ongoing Trump University saga:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trump_University

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfaLYHCC-HU

The above claim (with several class actions granted) hasn't been tested in court yet, as the trial date on this case, at least, has been set post-election, apparently to avoid a media blitz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84lUQFvHeDk

And his condo fiasco in Baja is another issue.
http://articles.latimes.com/2009/mar/07/business/fi-trump7


Good heavens, I thought BoJo was "misleading", but he's a teddy bear in comparison.

[Carana]

It is what politicians do because it is what people want to hear.
They do not want to hear:
1. Full employment is a pipe dream. (Except possibly in war time. Now there's a thought...)
2. Some people are unemployable.
3. Our own unit labour costs are so high only the mega rich can afford to buy what we produce.
4. We shunt things out to third world country sweat shops cos that way you can then afford to buy things to which you believe you are entitled just cos you breathe.
Long before everyone got in a muck sweat about Polish plumbers and Lithuanian cabbage pullers most hotels along the south coast employed a lot of French and Belgian staff cos the Brits would not take the jobs. Not only that on average the gastarbeiter were better looking more articulate and better mannered.

I tend to agree with you on that.

At the moment, I'm simply more gob-smacked at the extent of "half-truths" (i.e. partially factual details cited outside of the broader context), "mis-statements" and various other boldly asserted statements with highly tenuous connections to anything vaguely resembling publicly-accessible verified facts.

[Carana]

It is what politicians do because it is what people want to hear.
They do not want to hear:
1. Full employment is a pipe dream. (Except possibly in war time. Now there's a thought...)
2. Some people are unemployable.
3. Our own unit labour costs are so high only the mega rich can afford to buy what we produce.
4. We shunt things out to third world country sweat shops cos that way you can then afford to buy things to which you believe you are entitled just cos you breathe.
Long before everyone got in a muck sweat about Polish plumbers and Lithuanian cabbage pullers most hotels along the south coast employed a lot of French and Belgian staff cos the Brits would not take the jobs. Not only that on average the gastarbeiter were better looking more articulate and better mannered.

I find something terribly sad in part of this:
http://www.vox.com/2016/1/29/10862134/donald-trump-university

I wonder how many people are voting for him due to their perceptions of success in terms of the "American dream" based on the US version of The Apprentice?

And, to put that into perspective, it's worth reading the link to his innumerable court cases and the pending class actions against him.

[Carana]

Yep!

I think we'll have to disagree on that one...

[Alfie]

There is hope, hallelujah!

"Donald Trump felt the effects of arguably the most calamitous week endured by a US presidential candidate yesterday as polls in critical battleground states showed him on course for a crushing defeat.

The Republican trailed Hillary Clinton by nine points in Michigan; 15 in New Hampshire; 11 in Pennsylvania; and six in Florida.

A national poll by Fox News showed Mrs Clinton ahead by ten points — a margin that, were it to last until November, would be the biggest win since Ronald Reagan crushed Walter Mondale in 1984.

Another national poll released last night by McClatchy-Marist showed an even wider gap, putting Mrs Clinton 15 points ahead" - today's Times.