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Title: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: John on December 07, 2017, 01:16:28 PM
Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?

I dont think anyone should be allowed to hide behind a pseudonym on the internet and get away with abusing others.  If people were forced legally to use their real names most of this dreadful abuse would disappear instantly IMHO.

Your view?

(Please note, this thread will be moved to off-topic in due course)
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 01:27:35 PM
Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?


I dont think anyone should be allowed to hide behind a pseudonym on the internet and get away with abusing others.  If people were forced legally to use their real names most of this dreadful abuse would disappear instantly IMHO.

Your view?

I would 100% agree
Why don't you enforce it on the forum
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: John on December 07, 2017, 01:33:14 PM
I would 100% agree
Why don't you enforce it on the forum

That is self evident.  However, I would always encourage members to use their real name and even their photo as their avatar as I do.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: jassi on December 07, 2017, 01:46:55 PM
There are hundreds , possibly thousands of people with the same name as me, so what would it achieve to use it on a forum?
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 01:47:52 PM
I would 100% agree
Why don't you enforce it on the forum

Well, why don't you lead by example.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 07, 2017, 01:52:26 PM

Why stop at names?

Why not home address, daytime telephone number, next of kin & inside leg measurement?
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 01:54:16 PM
Well, why don't you lead by example.

I'm more than happy too.....as long as others do to...so will you
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: jassi on December 07, 2017, 01:57:15 PM
Why stop at names?

Why not home address, daytime telephone number, next of kin & inside leg measurement?

Steady on now  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 07, 2017, 01:58:39 PM
I'm more than happy too.....as long as others do to...so will you

Or in other words you are not happy with the idea of using your own name.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 02:02:21 PM
Or in other words you are not happy with the idea of using your own name.

Exactly.

Since davel agrees with it, he should lead by example.



Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 02:05:26 PM
Or in other words you are not happy with the idea of using your own name.

I'm more than happy as long as others do to...
So let's go
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 02:09:06 PM
I'm more than happy as long as others do to...
So let's go

We are waiting for you Davel, as you agreed with John.

I already know from experience on here, that certain parties, a matter which has been referred to Admin, have tried to identify me and where I live, from my name.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: jassi on December 07, 2017, 02:14:17 PM
We are waiting for you Davel, as you agreed with John.

I already know from experience on here, that certain parties, a matter which has been referred to Admin, have tried to identify me and where I live, from my name.


Only really works if you have an unusual name like Nigel Nessling.
Best of luck to anyone trying to identify James Jackson  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 02:16:11 PM

Only really works if you have an unusual name like Nigel Nessling.
Best of luck to anyone trying to identify James Jackson  ?{)(**

How about Jim Kirk ? 8)--))
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Lace on December 07, 2017, 02:16:34 PM
No,  I don't think people should be legally obliged to use their real name on forums such as this one,  where there are two sides to the debate.

I for one will not,   I have been subject to someone who tried to find out who I am,  I believe they only want to know so that they can threaten and stalk.

One poor girl was hounded off twitter because the alledgedly believed she was one of the nannies,  even told her they knew where she lived.

When there are people who would use the information for malicious intention,  there should always be the choice to use an alias.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 07, 2017, 02:16:51 PM
I'm more than happy as long as others do to...
So let's go

You know mine. I told you on Amazon but here we go again
Alice Ayres.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 02:47:16 PM
We are waiting for you Davel, as you agreed with John.

I already know from experience on here, that certain parties, a matter which has been referred to Admin, have tried to identify me and where I live, from my name.
You have already identified me and done some research into my background....and made comments on here ....so I find what you are saying strange
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: John on December 07, 2017, 02:49:46 PM
No personal disputes please. Duty mods are free to delete any post considered inappropriate.TY
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 02:53:14 PM
You know mine. I told you on Amazon but here we go again
Alice Ayres.

Hi Mrs Ayers....I believe I'm the only person in the UK with my  name....how unique
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: slartibartfast on December 07, 2017, 03:27:40 PM
I would be quite happy if people used the same name across fora, it would give you a clue as to their mindset and allow better discussion.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: misty on December 07, 2017, 03:30:07 PM
I would be quite happy if people used the same name across fora, it would give you a clue as to their mindset and allow better discussion.

Not really. There's always an idiot who will clone you.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: jassi on December 07, 2017, 03:30:38 PM
Keeping to a single identity per forum would be a start.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: misty on December 07, 2017, 03:35:14 PM
Keeping to a single identity per forum would be a start.

Only people with real integrity would abide by that rule, Jassi.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 03:55:54 PM
You have already identified me and done some research into my background....and made comments on here ....so I find what you are saying strange

No davel. .

I did not identify you.

You made that error yourself on Amazon and other people stated they 'identified' you by information you left on an Amazon account, and that was your responsibility. You cannot obtain personal info from Amazon,. unless a person does that themselves by leaving it on there.

Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 07, 2017, 03:59:40 PM
Hi Mrs Ayers....I believe I'm the only person in the UK with my  name....how unique


Is that with a "sh" or a "ch" in the middle?
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 04:50:41 PM
No davel. .

I did not identify you.

You made that error yourself on Amazon and other people stated they 'identified' you by information you left on an Amazon account, and that was your responsibility. You cannot obtain personal info from Amazon,. unless a person does that themselves by leaving it on there.

You may remember there was some sort of glitch on Amazon that revealed personal details that are normally not shown...you took those details and did some research into my background...no problem
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 05:05:33 PM
You may remember there was some sort of glitch on Amazon that revealed personal details that are normally not shown...you took those details and did some research into my background...no problem

No davel.

It was not me and you know that.

I have no way of knowing if it is really you and I really do not care.


Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: stephen25000 on December 07, 2017, 05:07:42 PM
No davel.

It was not me and you know that.

I have no way of knowing if it is really you and I really do not care.

P.S. Amazon did not report any glitch.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 05:12:10 PM
No davel.

It was not me and you know that.

I have no way of knowing if it is really you and I really do not care.

You have made three references to Thailand at posts directed towards me.... coincidence....what are the chances of that
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: jassi on December 07, 2017, 05:14:49 PM
No davel.

It was not me and you know that.

I have no way of knowing if it is really you and I really do not care.

Surely that's the point, nobody really cares who someone else is, unless they want to be buddy buddy in real life, so what's the point of putting real names up.
How would you know it was a real name anyway? Request too much information and people just aren't going to bother to register.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 05:19:28 PM
Surely that's the point, nobody really cares who someone else is, unless they want to be buddy buddy in real life, so what's the point of putting real names up.
How would you know it was a real name anyway? Request too much information and people just aren't going to bother to register.
As Stephen said it doesn't really matter as long as the information is not used to abuse....which it has been

I doubt there will be a demand for a cite


It's interesting that I have had quite a lot of abuse from anonymous posters on the net....not here....
And that's why I identify with the abuse directed at the McCanns....it's water off a ducks back to me


But not nice when my children ask why are people being mean to us online....... fortunately the offending you tube clip had been taken down
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 06:13:12 PM
It has long been known that I am Maureen Eleanor Lang.  Or Maureen Eleanor Mitchell.  Married and Maiden names.  I was outed many years ago, and often by a member of this Forum, along with Tony Bennett.  Both of these names are included in my email address, which is available on this Forum.  And I have always admitted this to be true.
I have never liked the name Maureen, and prefer to use Eleanor, although I have always been know as Mitch.  I always sign as Mitch when indulging in PMs.  Mitchells are always called Mitch.

Apart from the odd snide remark I have never suffered any real abuse.

I have also posted as Sabot on other Forums. As also you all know.  This has nothing to do with my living in France.  It is an attribute to my mother whose name was Stella Abbott who died when I was very young.

Personally, I don't really care.  I only have to live by my principles.  And I have never been ashamed of anything that I have ever said.  If it was likely then I would not have said it.  People like me don't need the right to Free Speech.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 07:47:34 PM
That is self evident.  However, I would always encourage members to use their real name and even their photo as their avatar as I do.

One difference John is that you can remove any post you feel is insulting to you and ban any poster who insults you...
We are not all in that position
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 07:58:34 PM
However, do I think that other persons should be forced to use their own names?  Probably, but only because some people want you all to do the same, while keeping their own names secret in some obtuse way, which will forever remain possible.  Such hypocrisy is bewildering.

Would I have chosen to be outed?  Probably not, but it has caused me no harm, and now seems rather silly.  I personally have not suffered in any way.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 08:18:43 PM
One difference John is that you can remove any post you feel is insulting to you and ban any poster who insults you...
We are not all in that position

This is a bit unfair, Davel.  I of all people know that John does not behave like this. The very worst that John does is to remove a pile of Off Topic and Irrelevant Rubbish that I don't have the bottle to remove.  But then I ever was a bit of a coward when it comes to opinions.  Sadly I am blessed with the ability to see the point of view of everyone.  Perhaps I should try harder.  But I might wipe the whole Board in the process.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: barrier on December 07, 2017, 08:33:26 PM
I'm more than happy too.....as long as others do to...so will you

I do and if people haven't realised then they are not as clever has they like to believe.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 08:33:53 PM
This is a bit unfair, Davel.  I of all people know that John does not behave like this. The very worst that John does is to remove a pile of Off Topic and Irrelevant Rubbish that I don't have the bottle to remove.  But then I ever was a bit of a coward when it comes to opinions.  Sadly I am blessed with the ability to see the point of view of everyone.  Perhaps I should try harder.  But I might wipe the whole Board in the process.

It isn't unfair at all.....John has the ability to remove posts....Im not being critical just stating facts.

I don't have the ability to remove posts that are insulting to me...or my family
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 08:35:57 PM
I do and if people haven't realised then they are not as clever has they like to believe.

The post was in response to Stephen..who I'm absolutely sure would not be prepared to reveal his true identity
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 08:45:49 PM
It isn't unfair at all.....John has the ability to remove posts....Im not being critical just stating facts.

I also have the ability to remove Posts, which I rarely do.  And to Restore Posts, which I very occasionally do.

What so many of you fail to realise is that Forums can never be a Democracy.  You are all at the whim of The Forum Owner.
And I wouldn't be a Senior Moderator on this Forum if I ever thought that I needed to worry about the integrity of John.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 08:50:52 PM
I also have the ability to remove Posts, which I rarely do.  And to Restore Posts, which I very occasionally do.

What so many of you fail to realise is that Forums can never be a Democracy.  You are all at the whim of The Forum Owner.
And I wouldn't be a Senior Moderator on this Forum if I ever thought that I needed to worry about the integrity of John.

I'm not criticising John....I'm stating a simple fact....I have no power to remove a post that I consider insults me...you and others do...that is a fact

We are not just at the whim of the forum owners but some unfair moderation...but of course I'm not allowed to say that and may well be censured for it
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 09:27:52 PM
I'm not criticising John....I'm stating a simple fact....I have no power to remove a post that I consider insults me...you and others do...that is a fact

We are not just at the whim of the forum owners but some unfair moderation...but of course I'm not allowed to say that and may well be censured for it

Have you any idea of how often I was censored before I became a Moderator?  I gave no quarter and expected none.  That is the reality.  I never bleated about it.

Nowadays I have to be a bit more careful.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Mr Gray on December 07, 2017, 09:49:06 PM
Have you any idea of how often I was censored before I became a Moderator?  I gave no quarter and expected none.  That is the reality.  I never bleated about it.

Nowadays I have to be a bit more careful.

im not bleating about me being censured or insulted...but when a moderator makes an insulting reference to my wife its diferrent... I doubt you saw it but its still there
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 10:49:19 PM
im not bleating about me being censured or insulted...but when a moderator makes an insulting reference to my wife its diferrent... I doubt you saw it but its still there

Report it and I will deal with it.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: mrswah on December 07, 2017, 10:54:49 PM
i wouldn't be fussed if we used our real names-------but I very much doubt whether everyone would comply!
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Eleanor on December 07, 2017, 11:04:47 PM
i wouldn't be fussed if we used our real names-------but I very much doubt whether everyone would comply!

I don't think it is all that important.  Really nasty people can always be exposed if necessary, which it mostly isn't.

Refusing to admit to the given name will always be seen as some sort of shame.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: jassi on December 08, 2017, 08:49:07 AM
I don't think it is all that important.  Really nasty people can always be exposed if necessary, which it mostly isn't.

Refusing to admit to the given name will always be seen as some sort of shame.

Alternatively it could mean not wanting to leave a bigger digital trail than necessary.
It never ceases to amaze me how much personal information people are willing to put on social media.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 08, 2017, 05:14:28 PM
Maybe for a bit of fun we should all develop our "Conway Twitty" names.
"Accounts vary of how Jenkins acquired the stage name of Conway Twitty. Allegedly, in 1957, Jenkins decided that his real name was not memorable enough and sought a better show business name. In The Billboard Book of Number One Hits Fred Bronson states that the singer was looking at a road map when he spotted Conway, Arkansas, and Twitty, Texas, and chose the name Conway Twitty"


I think I will be Messing St Osyth.
Title: Re: Should people be legally obliged to use their real name on the internet?
Post by: sadie on December 09, 2017, 02:47:27 AM
I would 100% agree
Why don't you enforce it on the forum
What would be a good idea IMO would be that everyone had to register their name and address with a verifiable safe authority ... one which had legal clout.   In turn, they would have to make sure of the registrations veracity.

Then safely registered, they could post away with a pseudonym of their choice .... and my bet is that few, if any, of the lies, twists and outrageous remarks would be made



With Christmas upon us I haven't had chance to catch up with all the posts on this thread (or others) and i hope that I am not repeating what others have suggested,.