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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on June 08, 2013, 03:03:29 PM
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We are starting a Campaign to promote those unfortunate children and young adults who have been abducted over the years and who are still missing.
As part of this campaign we have introduced the following graphic which takes a look at three of the disappeared, namely, René Hasée now 23, Madeleine McCann now 10 and Ben Needham now also 23.
This is an ongoing project so any input you might have would be gratefully appreciated.
(http://i.imgur.com/906UWL4.jpg)
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If you don't mind, John, can you substitute "abduction" by "disappearance" : in none of this cases there's evidence of abduction.
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If you don't mind, John, can you substitute "abduction" by "disappearance" : in none of this cases there's evidence of abduction.
But there's no evidence of these cases being anything else.
Joanna Cipriano should be added too, John, IMO.
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But there's no evidence of these cases being anything else.
Joanna Cipriano should be added too, John, IMO.
So disappearance is a more neutral term and one, I've noticed, that is favoured more and more by newspaper editors.
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I haven't found any evidence that little Joana Cipriano ever returned home that night (aside from a neighbour who saw her walking towards home), let alone is dead.
There's Amy Fitzpatrick as well. Missing teenagers often don't get much attention as people often assume that they ran away and don't want to be found.
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So disappearance is a more neutral term and one, I've noticed, that is favoured more and more by newspaper editors.
Oh well its Johns choice, not mine.
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In Joana case, there's a double confession.
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In Joana case, there's a double confession.
And how were the confessions got out of them?
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I never objected to the Portuguese Forensic Laboratory using the word "disappearance" in its report.
But I found (find) it highly significant that the FSS use the word abducted.
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I don't have a problem with substituting another word for "abducted".
Long-term missing children?
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And how were the confessions got out of them?
This is not the issue and nothing you're able to confirm or infirm. There was a judgement, wasn't it ? One of these days I'm afraid, DCI, you'll start suspecting there's cannibalism in Portugal ;)
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I never objected to the Portuguese Forensic Laboratory using the word "disappearance" in its report.
But I found (find) it highly significant that the FSS use the word abducted.
I hadn't noticed it. Yes, highly significant. We'll never be careful enough with words.
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This is not the issue and nothing you're able to confirm or infirm. There was a judgement, was there ? One of these days I'm afraid, DCI, you'll start suspecting there's cannibalism in Portugal ;)
Somewhere there is a translation from a Portuguese paper brought to us by (of all people) Moore that confirms a Portuguese court found proved that Leonor Cipriano was tortured ...
They (now) have to grasp the concept that a "confession" exacted under torture is not a safe confession, and they'll be there ...
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If you don't mind, John, can you substitute "abduction" by "disappearance" : in none of this cases there's evidence of abduction.
Yes, I take your point Anne.
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But there's no evidence of these cases being anything else.
Joanna Cipriano should be added too, John, IMO.
Yes, I intend to add Joanna and any others which are suggested to us. 8((()*/
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I haven't found any evidence that little Joana Cipriano ever returned home that night (aside from a neighbour who saw her walking towards home), let alone is dead.
There's Amy Fitzpatrick as well. Missing teenagers often don't get much attention as people often assume that they ran away and don't want to be found.
Yes, Amy is another excellent example....thanks. 8((()*/
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Yes, Amy is another excellent example....thanks. 8((()*/
You might like to read this, John.
By Adelina Campos
New Amy Fitzpatrick murder suspects will be brought to Spain as cops step up probe
8 Jun 2013 14:00
Costa del sol police working with gardai after stabbing of teen's brother Dean
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/crime/new-amy-fitzpatrick-murder-suspects-1939120
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Yes, I take your point Anne.
I think you need a thread for each child, because the only one that will be posted on is Madeleine's abduction.
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Yes, I intend to add Joanna and any others which are suggested to us. 8((()*/
And it doesn't concern you that a Portuguese court has already deemed Joanna to have been murdered by her mother and brother ?
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I think you need a thread for each child, because the only one that will be posted on is Madeleine's abduction.
DCI, please, can you add imo after "abduction" ?
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I think you need a thread for each child, because the only one that will be posted on is Madeleine's abduction.
Indeed, I think a new board is required with seperate threads for each missing child so I will discuss this with other staff and get it moving.
PS> Thanks for the link to developments in Amy's case. 8((()*/
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Indeed, I think a new board is required with seperate threads for each missing child so I will discuss this with other staff and get it moving.
PS> Thanks for the link to developments in Amy's case. 8((()*/
Thanks, John, and you are welcome!
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Well, yes it did stray off topic, as a few of us mentioned Joana and there seemed to be an objection.
There is a Cipriano thread here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1229.0
But the point here is that Joana might have been abducted. There is no proof that she ever got home and there is no forensic evidence that anything dreadful happened to her in her own home or anywhere else.
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Well, yes it did stray off topic, as a few of us mentioned Joana and there seemed to be an objection.
There is a Cipriano thread here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1229.0
But the point here is that Joana might have been abducted. There is no proof that she ever got home and there is no forensic evidence that anything dreadful happened to her in her own home or anywhere else.
Then the Ministério Publico would have sent erroneously arguidos to court ! This is a serious accusation.
How many children abducted by strangers in Portugal since let's say 1974 do you count, Carana ?
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I don't wish to derail the thread - I already pointed out another one for discussion of the Cipriano case.
My only point here is that no trace of this little girl has ever been found.
Little Mari Luz disappeared in similar circumstances (on her way to or from the local shop /sweet kiosk). Sadly, she was eventually found dead.
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I don't wish to derail the thread - I already pointed out another one for discussion of the Cipriano case.
My only point here is that no trace of this little girl has ever been found.
Little Mari Luz disappeared in similar circumstances (on her way to or from the local shop /sweet kiosk). Sadly, she was eventually found dead.
April Jones is not found, but Mark Bridger has gone to prison for life without parole for her murder, and didnt even confess, she also appears on missing children websites to this day,, so you think he is innocent? is she alive? 99.99 per cent not. My last post on this thread, derailed as much as I complained
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Mark Bridger confessed to killing her but says he cannot remember where he put her.
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We are starting a Campaign to promote those unfortunate children and young adults who have been abducted over the years and who are still missing.
As part of this campaign we have introduced the following graphic which takes a look at three of the disappeared, namely, René Hasée now 23, Madeleine McCann now 10 and Ben Needham now also 23.
This is an ongoing project so any input you might have would be gratefully appreciated.
(http://i.imgur.com/906UWL4.jpg)
John do you have anymore info on this campaign?