The beating and conviction of Leonor Cipriano

[Benice]

And the bag over her head, Benice.

I know from personal experience that although (for now) Leonor has her sight, she may not get away with it long term.

As a lad, walking home from school, I was struck in the eye by a stone thrown by another boy and badly bloodied.  I made an (apparently) full recovery.

But in recent years, a routine eye test detected incipient and (as yet) a-symptomatic macular degeneration in that eye, most likely caused (several experts I've discussed it with agree) by that trauma. 

Leonor's time may similarly come.

I fervently hope not, obviously.

Yes, I understand it's not uncommon for injuries from years ago to cause problems in later life.   My brother can relate a similar instance - except that involved the cross bar of his bike when he was a youngster and a completely different part of his body!!     I won't go into the details but the specialist did say that his present problem was probably as a result of that very old injury which had apparently healed perfectly at the time.

I share your hope for Leonor's sight and for yours too - if there is a danger of losing your sight,

[Mrs. B]

That the torture took place is not under question, it has been established by a court of law, not once but twice. It has also been established that the torture took place INSIDE the police station. That fact in itself should have been enough for a judge to order a re-trial, but sadly, for Portuguese justice, it did not.

[Benice]

Do you know they did ?

Do you know who they are ?

Well someone did - that was proved in a court of law.

What does it matter who they are?   Or are you saying that if it was policemen torturing a defenceless woman then that makes it acceptable.?   As far as I'm concerned that makes their actions even more evil.

What exactly is your take on this Xtina - would you care to clarify.

[ferryman]

Sadly, inexplicably.

Still more inexplicable is that her sentence was actually increased because she did not get her story completely straight while being tortured with a bag over her head ....

[stephen25000]

That the torture took place is not under question, it has been established by a court of law, not once but twice. It has also been established that the torture took place INSIDE the police station. That fact in itself should have been enough for a judge to order a re-trial, but sadly, for Portuguese justice, it did not.

It has also been established in a court of law this woman murdered her own daughter.

So do you care what happened to her ?

[Mrs. B]

Sadly, inexplicably.

Still more inexplicable is that her sentence was actually increased because she did not get her story completely straight while being tortured with a bag over her head ....

They were obviously following the law to the letter, not looking at the circumstances. Wonder if the court were shown any research on what torture actually does to the mind of the person being tortured? Confusion, inability to estimate time etc are all effects of torture.

[Carana]

It has also been established in a court of law this woman murdered her own daughter.

So do you care what happened to her ?

But based on what concrete evidence?

Yes, I do care.

If this woman is guilty then she's where she should be. The same goes for the brother.

If she's not and has been manipulated by those involved in the legal process, then, no, she shouldn't be there. And her child might still be alive somewhere. Or perhaps she was murdered by some nutcase who is still out there.


Oddly enough, the name of this forum is miscarriageofjustice.

[Mrs. B]

But based on what concrete evidence?

Yes, I do care.

If this woman is guilty then she's where she should be. The same goes for the brother.

If she's not and has been manipulated by those involved in the legal process, then, no, she shouldn't be there. And her child might still be alive somewhere. Or perhaps she was murdered by some nutcase who is still out there.


Oddly enough, the name of this forum is miscarriageofjustice.

Yes, there are certainly a lot of question marks with regard to the evidence in that case, perhaps that's worth exploring further?

[Eleanor]

Yes, there are certainly a lot of question marks with regard to the evidence in that case, perhaps that's worth exploring further?

What Evidence?  There doesn't seem to be any.

[Mrs. B]

What Evidence?  There doesn't seem to be any.

No, that's what I meant, there is hardly any.

[Eleanor]

No, that's what I meant, there is hardly any.

I know.  No saw or knife for chopping up the body.  No DNA.  None of Joana's blood identified.  No bones in the pig pen.  And no motive.  The Court threw out the "Incest" malarky.  And even the neighbours don't believe that they killed Joana.
So what did they get convicted on?

[ferryman]

Well, well ....

Inspectors withdraw complaint against Joana’s mother
Updated: 09-Dec-2005


• Leonor Cipriano

INSPECTORS INVOLVED in the investigation of the Joana case have chosen to withdraw their defamation of character complaint against Leonor Cipriano, who accused them of physical assault during interrogation. The news was announced at the weekend by the policemen’s lawyer, António Colaço.

Last week, the policemen were the subject of an identification parade but were not recognised by the alleged victim, Leonor Cipriano. The honesty displayed by Leonor at the identity parade was one of the reasons given by the Associação Sindical dos Funcionários da Investigação Criminal (ASFIC), the union for crime investigation officers, for the withdrawal of the complaint. Leonor confirmed two of the policemen in the parade had interviewed her but had not assaulted her, and stated that she did not recognise the other two.

However, the president of ASFIC, Carlos Anjos, criticised the Departamento de Investigação e Acção Penal (DIAP), the authority in charge of the enquiry, for the way the case has been handled, as the inspectors were always treated as defendants and not as plaintiffs.

António Colaço also informed the DIAP that the complaints against weekly newspaper Expresso and two journalists were also retracted.


Are women who murder their own children habitually honest?

http://www.algarveresident.com/10797-4268/algarve/inspectors-withdraw-complaint-against-joanas-mother

[sadie]

I know.  No saw or knife for chopping up the body.  No DNA.  None of Joana's blood identified.  No bones in the pig pen.  And no motive.  The Court threw out the "Incest" malarky.  And even the neighbours don't believe that they killed Joana.
So what did they get convicted on?

Oh didn't cha know?  A confession tortured out of her and Joao

... and the witness statement beaten out of Leandro and rescinded as soon as possible afterwards.  Amaral is reputed to have beaten him up, but it is yet to be tested in Court.

[sadie]

BUMPED

Well, well ....

Inspectors withdraw complaint against Joana’s mother
Updated: 09-Dec-2005


• Leonor Cipriano

INSPECTORS INVOLVED in the investigation of the Joana case have chosen to withdraw their defamation of character complaint against Leonor Cipriano, who accused them of physical assault during interrogation. The news was announced at the weekend by the policemen’s lawyer, António Colaço.

Last week, the policemen were the subject of an identification parade but were not recognised by the alleged victim, Leonor Cipriano. The honesty displayed by Leonor at the identity parade was one of the reasons given by the Associação Sindical dos Funcionários da Investigação Criminal (ASFIC), the union for crime investigation officers, for the withdrawal of the complaint. Leonor confirmed two of the policemen in the parade had interviewed her but had not assaulted her, and stated that she did not recognise the other two.

However, the president of ASFIC, Carlos Anjos, criticised the Departamento de Investigação e Acção Penal (DIAP), the authority in charge of the enquiry, for the way the case has been handled, as the inspectors were always treated as defendants and not as plaintiffs.

António Colaço also informed the DIAP that the complaints against weekly newspaper Expresso and two journalists were also retracted.


Are women who murder their own children habitually honest?

[sadie]

http://www.algarveresident.com/10797-4268/algarve/inspectors-withdraw-complaint-against-joanas-mother
 
 
Inspectors withdraw complaint against Joana’s mother Updated: 09-Dec-2005

 
• Leonor Cipriano 

INSPECTORS INVOLVED in the investigation of the Joana case have chosen to withdraw their defamation of character complaint against Leonor Cipriano, who accused them of physical assault during interrogation. The news was announced at the weekend by the policemen’s lawyer, António Colaço.

Last week, the policemen were the subject of an identification parade but were not recognised by the alleged victim, Leonor Cipriano. The honesty displayed by Leonor at the identity parade was one of the reasons given by the Associação Sindical dos Funcionários da Investigação Criminal (ASFIC), the union for crime investigation officers, for the withdrawal of the complaint. Leonor confirmed two of the policemen in the parade had interviewed her but had not assaulted her, and stated that she did not recognise the other two.

However, the president of ASFIC, Carlos Anjos, criticised the Departamento de Investigação e Acção Penal (DIAP), the authority in charge of the enquiry, for the way the case has been handled, as the inspectors were always treated as defendants and not as plaintiffs.

António Colaço also informed the DIAP that the complaints against weekly newspaper Expresso and two journalists were also retracted.