The beating and conviction of Leonor Cipriano

[Redblossom]

So evidence LC  reported her disappearance  to the gnr when? Benice?
There are people on the ground who said she didnt report it for two days, FACT is it was AT least in the early hours after  midnight and there is NO excuse for that

Stop supporting convicted child murderers please it sucks big time
Sleep well though nite nite

[stephen25000]

If they got away with 'neglect' then so did all the other thousands of parents who did  - and still do the same and leave their children asleep to go to dinner on holiday, knowing that regular checks will be made on them.    Some parents will rely on baby monitors and won't go back at all to check.   

It seems to me that parents who do that, and are not targetted by abductors are fine in the Sceptics eyes, as never a word of criticism is heard about those parents.    But if you happen to be the one in a million family who IS targetted, then apparently it's your fault and not the abductors.        I'll never understand that logic.



(Oops sorry for going off topic).
 

Ah yes, the mysterious unproven, no evidence of ABDUCTOR.

[sadie]

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Remember how a big black limosine was seen and noted cruising around Figuiera?  THe car of an Elite?

Remember the little motorcaravan that had been in Figueira for a day or two?  Remember how the locals connected the two, especially the motorcaravan with Joanas disappearance?.. cos it vanished at the time she disappeared.

And finally do you remember the little motorcaravan being found abandoned about 7 miles away in PdL?



Now think about it.  How many people do you know who would abandon a motorcaravan?  No mention anywhere that it had been stolen, or thatit had broken down ... just abandoned. 

So what could cause someone to abandon such a desirable thing as a  motorcaravan ? ... even if it was old, many peeps would give their eye teeth for such a thing.

See what I am getting at.


The black limousine was most probably owned by the Elite who paid for the abduction.  He sussed out who he wanted and the caravan driver did the dirty work.



It is only a theory for Stephen to laugh at, as is his way.
But it is a damned sight more likely than what has been blamed on Leonor and Joao.

Edited to add:   
As is so often the case webpages that were there earlier on have been whooshed. After much googling, I found this report by TIMES NEWS ON LINE reporter ALEX WATTS in two different places. 

One will do  Relevant section shown


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http://amaralfiction2.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/joana-cipriano-goncalo-amarals.html
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Joana's relatives told Sky News Online the pair are innocent and believe whoever took the girl is also behind Madeleine's disappearance, seven miles away in Praia da Luz. The family, who do not want to be named, said: "This sort of thing doesn't happen in Portugal - child abductions are very rare. Whoever took Joana took Madeleine too, the distance is too small. And the police ignored everything we told them, they just wanted to solve the case quickly. They didn't look at any of the things we told them about." They said the most crucial bit of evidence was a white and brown camper van, parked near Joana's home in the days before she was abducted.The vehicle, with German number plates, disappeared around the time she vanished. They added: "There was a man living in there, but he hardly left the van. A week later the van was found abandoned in farmland in Praia da Luz. We told the police to investigate it, but they didn't listen to us." She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old


Sadly I can no longer find anything about the big black car (limousine) that was seen cruising around by the people of Fiueiras.    Everything whooshed, it seems

I talked about it in a thread, I think, in pfa2 and speculated that it might be en route home from the nearby prestigeous Penina golf Course. Maybe other posters can remember it? 
 

[sadie]

Ah yes, the mysterious unproven, no evidence of ABDUCTOR.

No Evidence of anything, was there Stephen?

No Evdence of sex betwixt Leonor and her brother Joao ... and no known history of it.
No Evidence of Joana coming home and finding them "at it"
No Evidence of them murdering her
No Evidence of them cutting up a body
No Evidence of the body pieces having been stored in a refrigerated unit
No Evidence of them feeding the body parts to their pigs
No witness Evidence cos (allegedly) it was beaten out of the siupposed witness.

Oh seems that Joao was seen carrying a carrier bag. <<<< Case solved ... Jeez!


But there was a campervan and a black limousine driving around which stirred suspicions.  And the camper van WAS found abandoned a few days later in a farmers field in PdL.

Now ... how many people would throw away a campervan?.... unless they felt they had to..... for some reason
What d'ya think Stephen?





PSSST Am already laughing at his answer   .......  Dont need to see it

[icabodcrane]

This poor little girl  ...  Joana   

Where is the sympathy for her  ?  ...  where is the compassion ?

Does her sad, and miserably short life not count  ?

[Eleanor]

I hope the poor little girl is still alive and happy somewhere.

[icabodcrane]

I hope the poor little girl is still alive and happy somewhere.

And if she is not Eleanor  ...  if her negligent mother and intellectually sub-normal uncle really  did  brutally murder her   ...  what then ?   

What does the defence of her convicted  murderers  say about the compassion felt  for this little girl  ?

[Chinagirl]

And if she is not Eleanor  ...  if her negligent mother and intellectually sub-normal uncle really  did  brutally murder her   ...  what then ?   

What does the defence of her convicted  murderers  say about the compassion felt  for this little girl  ?

This is the real tragedy here.  Because of the murkiness surrounding this case, we  cannot be certain of Cipriano's conviction, and ttherefore little Joana has not received justice - she has been abandoned to her fate, whatever that be.

Police brutality is NEVER justified, no matter how heinous the crime suspected, and in this particular case, the evidence leading to Cipriano's conviction seems very shaky indeed, apart from the beating leading to confession. 

[stephen25000]

No Evidence of anything, was there Stephen?

No Evdence of sex betwixt Leonor and her brother Joao ... and no known history of it.
No Evidence of Joana coming home and finding them "at it"
No Evidence of them murdering her
No Evidence of them cutting up a body
No Evidence of the body pieces having been stored in a refrigerated unit
No Evidence of them feeding the body parts to their pigs
No witness Evidence cos (allegedly) it was beaten out of the siupposed witness.

Oh seems that Joao was seen carrying a carrier bag. <<<< Case solved ... Jeez!


But there was a campervan and a black limousine driving around which stirred suspicions.  And the camper van WAS found abandoned a few days later in a farmers field in PdL.

Now ... how many people would throw away a campervan?.... unless they felt they had to..... for some reason
What d'ya think Stephen?





PSSST Am already laughing at his answer   .......  Dont need to see it

Well let's see you booking a plane to Portugal with all this 'information'.

I'm sure the Portuguese authorities will be pleased to see you.

[sadie]

This poor little girl  ...  Joana   

Where is the sympathy for her  ?  ...  where is the compassion ?

Does her sad, and miserably short life not count  ?

Every bit.  Except for the bit about short life.   She is quite likely still alive and being regularly abused. 

Icabod.  You have seen the FACTS = NO EVIDENCE

Why are you so keen that Joana should be forgotten?  That people should believe her dead? ... with NO PROOF of anything.

Why your interest in promoting her dead?




Propaganda is a powerful weapon

[Benice]

So evidence LC  reported her disappearance  to the gnr when? Benice?
There are people on the ground who said she didnt report it for two days, FACT is it was AT least in the early hours after  midnight and there is NO excuse for that

Stop supporting convicted child murderers please it sucks big time
Sleep well though nite nite

Yes she spoke to GNR officers after midnight - not 2 days later.  Her brother, husband and his friend were also aware Joana was missing -  they didn't report it either. 

Joana disappeared on the 12 September.   The Pj turned up on the 22nd to search the home.   There is no excuse for that either. IMO.

p.s. May I remind you of your 'freedom of thought' comment from a few day ago.   It doesn't only apply to you.



 

[Luz]

BUMPED WITH EDIT

Remember how a big black limosine was seen and noted cruising around Figuiera?  THe car of an Elite?

Remember the little motorcaravan that had been in Figueira for a day or two?  Remember how the locals connected the two, especially the motorcaravan with Joanas disappearance?.. cos it vanished at the time she disappeared.

And finally do you remember the little motorcaravan being found abandoned about 7 miles away in PdL?



Now think about it.  How many people do you know who would abandon a motorcaravan?  No mention anywhere that it had been stolen, or thatit had broken down ... just abandoned. 

So what could cause someone to abandon such a desirable thing as a  motorcaravan ? ... even if it was old, many peeps would give their eye teeth for such a thing.

See what I am getting at.


The black limousine was most probably owned by the Elite who paid for the abduction.  He sussed out who he wanted and the caravan driver did the dirty work.



It is only a theory for Stephen to laugh at, as is his way.
But it is a damned sight more likely than what has been blamed on Leonor and Joao.

Edited to add:   
As is so often the case webpages that were there earlier on have been whooshed. After much googling, I found this report by TIMES NEWS ON LINE reporter ALEX WATTS in two different places. 

One will do  Relevant section shown


Quote
http://amaralfiction2.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/joana-cipriano-goncalo-amarals.html
snipped/
Joana's relatives told Sky News Online the pair are innocent and believe whoever took the girl is also behind Madeleine's disappearance, seven miles away in Praia da Luz. The family, who do not want to be named, said: "This sort of thing doesn't happen in Portugal - child abductions are very rare. Whoever took Joana took Madeleine too, the distance is too small. And the police ignored everything we told them, they just wanted to solve the case quickly. They didn't look at any of the things we told them about." They said the most crucial bit of evidence was a white and brown camper van, parked near Joana's home in the days before she was abducted.The vehicle, with German number plates, disappeared around the time she vanished. They added: "There was a man living in there, but he hardly left the van. A week later the van was found abandoned in farmland in Praia da Luz. We told the police to investigate it, but they didn't listen to us." She said the man had short, curly brown hair and was about 40 years old


Sadly I can no longer find anything about the big black car (limousine) that was seen cruising around by the people of Fiueiras.    Everything whooshed, it seems

I talked about it in a thread, I think, in pfa2 and speculated that it might be en route home from the nearby prestigeous Penina golf Course. Maybe other posters can remember it?

You may talk all you wish, but it all is false. I know the little village of Figueira and I know its inhabitants. Not a single soul of that village stands by those false assumptions.

[Luz]

I hope the poor little girl is still alive and happy somewhere.

SURE. Like poor little Madeleine, being taken care after

being taken by a paedophile and.... being treated like a princess

.

Unfortunately "little Joana" was beaten to death and slaughtered by her mother and uncle. I wish you and your gang stopped using this poor child's name when addressing Madeleine's case. Joana has been tortured enough without you taking advantage of the crime that doomed her. Defend your pals without using other children victims.

[Luz]

Leonor Cipriano fell from the stairs, but her bruises were not a result from that fall. They were the result of an assault inside the prison by her inmates. The prison director was absent on leave at the time and was careless by not isolating Leonor after she confessed to her crime, so she concatenated a way to put the blame outside the prison.

In any case those photos were highly doctored (photo-shopped) to serve an article by Marinho Pinto (the President of the Bar Association) in Expresso journal, who has made a reputation on attacking all non Socialist Party politicians, the Public Ministry, Judges in General and especially the Judiciary Police.

But I bet your dear friend Aragão Correia could have told the true story and his role on this if you asked him.
I know he fled, but I'm sure he left a way for you guys to reach him.

[faithlilly]

Leonor Cipriano fell from the stairs, but her bruises were not a result from that fall. They were the result of an assault inside the prison by her inmates. The prison director was absent on leave at the time and was careless by not isolating Leonor after she confessed to her crime, so she concatenated a way to put the blame outside the prison.

In any case those photos were highly doctored (photo-shopped) to serve an article by Marinho Pinto (the President of the Bar Association) in Expresso journal, who has made a reputation on attacking all non Socialist Party politicians, the Public Ministry, Judges in General and especially the Judiciary Police.

But I bet your dear friend Aragão Correia could have told the true story and his role on this if you asked him.
I know he fled, but I'm sure he left a way for you guys to reach him.

Everything about this case is toxic Luz. Any self-respecting person wouldn't touch it without gloves !