Is this another example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler?

[Brietta]

If you start treating the alerts as circumstantial evidence you are assigning "a motive or suspect" yet Grime clearly states "this does not however suggest a motive or suspect ..."

Absolutely, Robbie.

In my opinion people have been beguiled by the dog videos they have seen ... which actually form a very small part of their time in Luz ... and have totally disregarded what Martin Grime said regarding them on numerous occasions.

In my opinion they have started off forming their opinion on a lack of knowledge and a false premise of what the alerts actually mean.

[slartibartfast]

If you start treating the alerts as circumstantial evidence you are assigning "a motive or suspect" yet Grime clearly states "this does not however suggest a motive or suspect ..."

A little girl has disappeared, alerts don’t provide motive or suspect but do provide circumstantial evidence of a body in the area. No policeman would discount that alert just because no bits of body were found IMO, they would want to find out why.

[Robittybob1]

A little girl has disappeared, alerts don’t provide motive or suspect but do provide circumstantial evidence of a body in the area. No policeman would discount that alert just because no bits of body were found IMO, they would want to find out why.

As long as that policeman doesn't assign motive or suspect without the requisite yet unspecified corroborating evidence.

[Mr Gray]

A little girl has disappeared, alerts don’t provide motive or suspect but do provide circumstantial evidence of a body in the area. No policeman would discount that alert just because no bits of body were found IMO, they would want to find out why.

Do you have a cite for the alerts being circumstantial  evidence... They have no evidential reliability

[G-Unit]

Absolutely, Robbie.

In my opinion people have been beguiled by the dog videos they have seen ... which actually form a very small part of their time in Luz ... and have totally disregarded what Martin Grime said regarding them on numerous occasions.

In my opinion they have started off forming their opinion on a lack of knowledge and a false premise of what the alerts actually mean.

I couldn't agree more. Some have become so beguiled by the dog videos that they have turned to examining them in minute detail. Despite their lack of knowledge of how these dogs work, they have formed opinions which they think suggest that Grime was incompetent.

I wonder why they have bothered when he told them himself that the alerts weren't evidence.

[Robittybob1]

Do you have a cite for the alerts being circumstantial  evidence... They have no evidential reliability

Someone needs to define "circumstantial evidence".  https://youtu.be/iSLAWdUGwME

[Mr Gray]

I couldn't agree more. Some have become so beguiled by the dog videos that they have turned to examining them in minute detail. Despite their lack of knowledge of how these dogs work, they have formed opinions which they think suggest that Grime was incompetent.

I wonder why they have bothered when he told them himself that the alerts weren't evidence.

But you have examined the statements in minute detail and done exactly  the, same....

[G-Unit]

But you have examined the statements in minute detail and done exactly  the, same....

I have been criticised too. Those who have criticised my actions don't seem to object when others do it though.

[Brietta]

I couldn't agree more. Some have become so beguiled by the dog videos that they have turned to examining them in minute detail. Despite their lack of knowledge of how these dogs work, they have formed opinions which they think suggest that Grime was incompetent.

I wonder why they have bothered when he told them himself that the alerts weren't evidence.

In my opinion the alert to which you refer did provide evidence ... but I don't think it was relevant to Madeleine's case.

[John]

The alerts were suggestive of cadaver odour but according to Grime himself, had no "evidential reliability". 

[Venturi Swirl]

I couldn't agree more. Some have become so beguiled by the dog videos that they have turned to examining them in minute detail. Despite their lack of knowledge of how these dogs work, they have formed opinions which they think suggest that Grime was incompetent.

I wonder why they have bothered when he told them himself that the alerts weren't evidence.

Is examining things in minute detail something you now disapprove of?  This from someone who has obviously spent considerable time “wondering” about what the twins are looking at on a bus and why Gerry appears grumpy, and all this despite her lack of knowledge of the people involved or the situation on the bus, and all to arrive at a negative opinion of Dr McCann.

[Robittybob1]

I have been criticised too. Those who have criticised my actions don't seem to object when others do it though.

I try and be even handed so please explain.

[G-Unit]

Is examining things in minute detail something you now disapprove of?  This from someone who has obviously spent considerable time “wondering” about what the twins are looking at on a bus and why Gerry appears grumpy, and all this despite her lack of knowledge of the people involved or the situation on the bus, and all to arrive at a negative opinion of Dr McCann.

You won't find me poring over videos of police dog alerts because along with most people I know nothing about how they are carried out. Does it matter where a dog's nose is? I've no idea and in my opinion neither does anyone else.

When it comes to interpersonal relationships I have lots of experience and therefore feel able to offer an opinion. It's not necessary to know people to judge their moods.

[Venturi Swirl]

You won't find me poring over videos of police dog alerts because along with most people I know nothing about how they are carried out. Does it matter where a dog's nose is? I've no idea and in my opinion neither does anyone else.

When it comes to interpersonal relationships I have lots of experience and therefore feel able to offer an opinion. It's not necessary to know people to judge their moods.

Could you judge a person’s mood from a photograph?  No?  But you could from a two or three second glimpse on a shaky video?   Just because we don’t know the answers doesn’t mean we can’t raise valid questions.  It seems to me you are quite keen to close down discussion on this issue.  I wonder why?  Whatever is discussed has no real bearing on anything anyway. so why shouldn’t the dog  alerts be “pawed” over?

[Mr Gray]

You won't find me poring over videos of police dog alerts because along with most people I know nothing about how they are carried out. Does it matter where a dog's nose is? I've no idea and in my opinion neither does anyone else.

When it comes to interpersonal relationships I have lots of experience and therefore feel able to offer an opinion. It's not necessary to know people to judge their moods.

I find this attitude that Grime is an expert and therefore cannot be questioned or criticised extremely naieve