Is this another example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler?

[Mr Gray]

If drugs have been in a person's luggage a drug dog will alert even though the drugs have been removed. If a cadaver has lain in a room a cadaver dog will alert in the room even though the cadaver has been removed.

for how long will the cadaver odour remain detectable in the room

[G-Unit]

for how long will the cadaver odour remain detectable in the room

No acknowledgement that your previous post about 'remnant scent' wasn't strictly correct?

[slartibartfast]

mark harrison...

After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from the Leicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.

So you don’t have a cite?

[slartibartfast]

the dog will alert if there are physical traces of the drug remaining....imo..and these can be tested for physically

So anyone alerted to by a drug dog is a druggie?

[Mr Gray]

So anyone alerted to by a drug dog is a druggie?

No.. Cross contamination

[Mr Gray]

So you don’t have a cite?

I've provided a cite... If you dispute they are unreliable then you are claming they are reliable... Do you really believe  that

[Robittybob1]

Is it a "fact", didn't Stockham say that Grime's dogs (Morse etc) had a reliability in tests in the high 90's percent. I wouldn't call that unreliable.

Can you find a cite that "remnant scent" alerts are...unreliable.

If the reliability was 90% 1 case in 10 will be likely to be incorrect.  If there is not corroborating evidence how can you tell if this is the unreliable one?

[jassi]

If the reliability was 90% 1 case in 10 will be likely to be incorrect.  If there is not corroborating evidence how can you tell if this is the unreliable one?

I think that's the problem - you can't. The alerts are inconclusive, but cannot be dismissed.
The dogs alerted at more than one point, so it would be difficult to argue that every single alert was false just because there wasn't corroborating evidence, though I'm sure some will try.

[Mr Gray]

I think that's the problem - you can't. The alerts are inconclusive, but cannot be dismissed.
The dogs alerted at more than one point, so it would be difficult to argue that every single alert was false just because there wasn't corroborating evidence, though I'm sure some will try.

It's very easy to argue that none of the alerts was a positive confirmation to cadaver....the alerts can be dismissed because none were confirmed

Without any  proper scientific  tests no one can make any real inference from the alerts

[Sunny]

I've provided a cite... If you dispute they are unreliable then you are claming they are reliable... Do you really believe  that

Davel neither you nor Gerry McCann have provided a cite that cadaver dogs are unreliable. All your cite says is that Grime and Harrison say they need to be corroborated. Nothing at all about being unreliable.

Perhaps you could kindly furnish us with one that actually gives us this information (if it is indeed true).

[Mr Gray]

Davel neither you nor Gerry McCann have provided a cite that cadaver dogs are unreliable. All your cite says is that Grime and Harrison say they need to be corroborated. Nothing at all about being unreliable.

Perhaps you could kindly furnish us with one that actually gives us this information (if it is indeed true).

I haven't said cadaver dogs are unreliable.... Kindly read my posts again..lol

[Mr Gray]

OK then, cite for this...lol

Perhaps you owe me an aplogy

[Mr Gray]

OK Davel I apologise, now can I have my cite thing.

Both Harrison and Grime say unconfirmed  alerts have no reliability as evidence or.. In Harrison's case... Evidence or intelligence... No reliability means unreliable

[Sunny]

Both Harrison and Grime say unconfirmed  alerts have no reliability as evidence or.. In Harrison's case... Evidence or intelligence... No reliability means unreliable

No they didn't

mark harrison...

After the conclusion of the searches, a meeting in the Portimao offices of the PJ took place in the cabinet of Goncalo AMARAL and those present included Guilermino ENCARNACO, an official representative from the Leicestershire police, Martin GRIME and myself. During the meeting were exhibited videos with the details of search activities including the sniffer dogs lead by Martin GRIME. GRIME commented on the actions of the dogs and added that no confirmed evidence or information could be taken from the alerts by the dogs but needed to be confirmed with physical evidence.

They said they couldn't be used as evidence not that they were not reliable (as evidence or otherwise). Perhaps you can show me where they use the word "reliable" or even unreliable"  The UK law stance appears to me anyway that dog evidence is not allowed in court (although the David Gilroy case may have changed this), it doesn't mean that the dogs are not allowed just that they are/were not admissable as evidence.

That is my take on Harrison's statement and I believe he was making no reference to reliability or unreliability.

[Mr Gray]

No they didn't

They said they couldn't be used as evidence not that they were not reliable (as evidence or otherwise). Perhaps you can show me where they use the word "reliable" or even unreliable"  The UK law stance appears to me anyway that dog evidence is not allowed in court (although the David Gilroy case may have changed this), it doesn't mean that the dogs are not allowed just that they are/were not admissable as evidence.

That is my take on Harrison's statement and I believe he was making no reference to reliability or unreliability.

You need to do a little more reading... And you owe me a, second apology... Both Grime and Harrison used the words ...no reliability

Have a look at their witness and rog statements