Is this another example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler?

[Sunny]

You need to do a little more reading... And you owe me a, second apology... Both Grime and Harrison used the words ...no reliability

Have a look at their witness and rog statements

Perhaps you could point out where Grime says "no reliability" here

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

In his search evidence he says

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this
alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

But we knew that already, that dog evidence is not (or was not) allowed in court that doesn't mean the dogs were unreliable. IMO.

So again a cite where he says that the dogs were unreliable regarding unconfirmed alerts.

[Mr Gray]

Perhaps you could point out where Grime says "no reliability" here

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

In his search evidence he says

It is my view that it is possible that the EVRD is alerting to cadaver scent
contamination. No evidential or intelligence reliability can be made from this
alert unless it can be confirmed with corroborating evidence.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES.htm

But we knew that already, that dog evidence is not (or was not) allowed in court that doesn't mean the dogs were unreliable. IMO.

So again a cite where he says that the dogs were unreliable regarding unconfirmed alerts.

I haven't said the dogs are unreliable... Neither has grime... Both grime and harrison have clearly stated the alerts have no reliability as evidence... Or in Harrison s case.. Evidence orintelligence
Read the witness, statements... I'm out at the moment so can't cut and oaste easily

[Mr Gray]

The alerts cannot be used in court because they have no reliability.... They are therefore unreliable...

[G-Unit]

the dog will alert if there are physical traces of the drug remaining....imo..and these can be tested for physically

There are not always physical traces of the drug imo.

[slartibartfast]

I've provided a cite... If you dispute they are unreliable then you are claming they are reliable... Do you really believe  that

You said the alerts were unreliable, your cite talked about evidence and information taken from the alerts. Two different things.

[Mr Gray]

You said the alerts were unreliable, your cite talked about evidence and information taken from the alerts. Two different things.

If no evidence or information  can be taken from the alerts they are therefore  quite useless...  What is their point... It was grime who talked of their reliability

[G-Unit]

My conclusion is that the answer to the thread title is no. The position of Eddie's nose just before he alerted behind the sofa is not an example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler. In my opinion the thread is just another Grime bashing thread.

[Mr Gray]

My conclusion is that the answer to the thread title is no. The position of Eddie's nose just before he alerted behind the sofa is not an example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler. In my opinion the thread is just another Grime bashing thread.

There is no possibility of bashing grime on this forum.... Legitimate  criticism yes

[Brietta]

My conclusion is that the answer to the thread title is no. The position of Eddie's nose just before he alerted behind the sofa is not an example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler. In my opinion the thread is just another Grime bashing thread.

I fail to see any of the "Grime bashing" being referred to ... please elucidate. 

[G-Unit]

If no evidence or information  can be taken from the alerts they are therefore  quite useless...  What is their point... It was grime who talked of their reliability

This is what Harrison said about why the dogs are useful;

In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

[Mr Gray]

This is what Harrison said about why the dogs are useful;

In relation to the dead body scent if such a scent is indicated by the EVRD and no body is located it may suggest that a body has been in the property but removed.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARK_HARRISON.htm

I don't see Harrison using the word useful...

[G-Unit]

I fail to see any of the "Grime bashing" being referred to ... please elucidate.

The thread title says it all. What errors has Grime been proved to have made in this thread or in previous discussions? None, in my opinion, despite all the efforts which have been made.

[G-Unit]

I don't see Harrison using the word useful...

I never said he did. He was identifying their usefulness nevertheless.

[Mr Gray]

I never said he did. He was identifying their usefulness nevertheless.

In what way are they useful... We already know Maddie may have died in the apartments... We don't need a barking dig to tell us that... At least I dont

[misty]

My conclusion is that the answer to the thread title is no. The position of Eddie's nose just before he alerted behind the sofa is not an example of a potentially crucial error by the VRD handler. In my opinion the thread is just another Grime bashing thread.

The irony is you don't seem to appreciate Grime's potential error may have denied the PJ of the crucial piece of evidence they were looking for.