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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: John on October 23, 2013, 11:56:36 PM

Title: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 23, 2013, 11:56:36 PM
This thread as its title suggests is reserved solely for posts relating to the latest news in the search for Madeleine.  The thread will be constantly monitored and any irrelevant or off topic posts will be expunged.  Thank you.


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 25, 2013, 10:37:42 PM
Tomorrows papers ,new leads are because she is alive
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 25, 2013, 10:42:27 PM
Both Express and Star apparently suggesting that Madeleine McCann may well be alive and that the aim of the PJ is to reunite her with her family.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 25, 2013, 10:47:04 PM
Both Express and Star apparently suggesting that Madeleine McCann may well be alive and that the aim of the PJ is to reunite her with her family.


Both papers have said things before that mean jack ,i know the press do get inside info but hmmmmm
God this sounds so exciting doesnt it .its like being slowly prepared .

She may have already been found for all we know .

Maybe a deal has been reached with whoever they are dealing with  via the crimewatch .or maybe the crimewatch was us being fooled .


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 25, 2013, 11:13:28 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 25, 2013, 11:15:27 PM
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whatever next..must say though i do think theres more to the case being opened than what they allowed to tell the public >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 25, 2013, 11:20:51 PM
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aw come on  .....whats this then if  the star  says maddie is alive ....it must  be  right.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 25, 2013, 11:25:43 PM
Xrist  !  ...  what are they paying Clarence Mitchell  30K a year out of the fund for if he can't even  'media control'  this kind of sensationalist rubbish  ? 

...  unless    >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 25, 2013, 11:38:06 PM
Aw come on to you too .. Just posting tomorrow's front page keep your hair on ...



just out of curiosity .....do you often post the stars front page  ....

due to the fact you think  i was going to suffer  ...alopecia....by replying   to you






 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 25, 2013, 11:54:45 PM


just out of curiosity .....do you often post the stars front page  ....

due to the fact you think  i was going to suffer  ...alopecia....by replying   to you

Just out of curiosity .. Are you often so rude ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: C.Edwards on October 26, 2013, 12:02:04 AM
Just out of curiosity .. Are you often so rude ?

I don't think xtina was rude there.  If you think she was, report it and let the mods deal with it instead of whining about it!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:11:46 AM
There are lots of bickering in this forum .do the admin join in in debates ? Im new i dont know whos who i just notice people bickering like kids

There's more whinging  than usual going on at the moment for some reason  ...  and yes,  mods are as free as anyone else here to express opinions 

This forum is unique in that it is a broad church,  where  ALL   members,  providing they folllow the pretty basic rules of engagement,  are able to to put their point of view across 

Membership is rising by the day for that very reason
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 12:18:48 AM
Can we stay on topic thanks..tomorrows news
and goodnight..


Rogerio Alves, the Portuguese attorney representing Kate and Gerry McCann, said that was the “sole aim” of the officers after reopening the investigation.

He said the detectives have finally admitted to the McCanns, both 45, that they no longer regard them as suspects.

The original investigation, which pointed the finger at the couple, both doctors, was shelved five years ago.

At a meeting with the McCanns in Portugal’s capital Lisbon, police chiefs told them they were confident the “truth will be discovered’ about their daughter’s fate”.

Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

British police also believe the youngster, who disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, could still be alive. They have spent two years reviewing the original case files and documents from eight teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns and said they have found no evidence she is dead.


Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.

Mr Alves added the secrecy order prevented him revealing the new line of inquiry.

He said: “The police asked us specifically not to compromise the investigation and we are all obliged to respect the secrecy order

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:21:34 AM
There's more whinging  than usual going on at the moment for some reason  ...  and yes,  mods are as free as anyone else here to express opinions 

This forum is unique in that it is a broad church,  where  ALL   members,  providing they folllow the pretty basic rules of engagement,  are able to to put their point of view across 

Membership is rising by the day for that very reason

I think its very one sided .all the old posters will end up on one forum that is going to happen without doubt .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:22:50 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.

Wow
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:25:03 AM
Can we stay on topic thanks..tomorrows news
and goodnight..


Rogerio Alves, the Portuguese attorney representing Kate and Gerry McCann, said that was the “sole aim” of the officers after reopening the investigation.

He said the detectives have finally admitted to the McCanns, both 45, that they no longer regard them as suspects.

The original investigation, which pointed the finger at the couple, both doctors, was shelved five years ago.

At a meeting with the McCanns in Portugal’s capital Lisbon, police chiefs told them they were confident the “truth will be discovered’ about their daughter’s fate”.

Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

British police also believe the youngster, who disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, could still be alive. They have spent two years reviewing the original case files and documents from eight teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns and said they have found no evidence she is dead.


Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.

Mr Alves added the secrecy order prevented him revealing the new line of inquiry.

He said: “The police asked us specifically not to compromise the investigation and we are all obliged to respect the secrecy order

Did the McCanns take their hired criminal lawyer  (  Alves )   into that meeting they had with Scotland Yard and Portuguese police  ...  or is  he quoting what they  (  the McCanns  ) told him had transpired  ...  do we konw  ?

I'm guessing they had a criminal lawyer present when they were  'briefed'   by police
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 12:28:41 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.

Wow


yep wow!! its good things are being kept back that's the way it should be..i think all the hype on the front pages are just a smoke screen kaz....G'night
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 12:31:41 AM
Did the McCanns take their hired criminal lawyer  (  Alves )   into that meeting they had with Scotland Yard and Portuguese police  ...  or is  he quoting what they  (  the McCanns  ) told him had transpired  ...  do we konw  ?

I'm guessing they had a criminal lawyer present when they were  'briefed'   by police

do I look like A to Z ..I would think they did though..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:32:42 AM

yep wow!! its good things are being kept back that's the way it should be..i think all the hype on the front pages are just a smoke screen kaz....G'night
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 8-)(--) >@@(*&) yep
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:34:21 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2013, 12:38:36 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-mccann-2592011

Note:  My emboldening


Madeleine McCann: Kate and Gerry McCann told they are no longer suspects by Portuguese police 26 Oct 2013 00:00

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on new leads

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article2371779.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Kate-and-Gerry-McCann-2371779.jpg) Parents: Kate and Gerry McCann
 
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Kate and Gerry McCann have been told for the first time by the Portuguese authorities that they are no longer suspects in their daughter Madeleine’s disappearance.

The couple were told in a police briefing last week in Lisbon where they were also updated on the new leads that have been unearthed.

Their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said yesterday: “The McCanns were already informed about the reopening of the inquiry and the reasons why it was being reopened.

“They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“The Portuguese police told them this at a meeting in Lisbon last week at which British police were also present.

"What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”


 

Portugal’s current Attorney General, Joana Marques Vidal, is the first woman ever appointed to the post.

She took over as the country’s top legal advisor in October 2012 from predecessor Fernando Pinto Monteiro after his six-year mandate came to an end.

It was still unclear last night which police force would be appointed to lead the reopened inquiry. Initial reports suggested it would be a team of Algarve-based Policia Judiciaria detectives but yesterday it appeared more likely the review team from Porto would be asked to do the job.

The detectives will work under the direction of public prosecutors based in the Algarve resort of Portimao.

Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the public prosecutor in charge of the original investigation, is expected to oversee the reopened inquiry.

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine’s parents and claimed officers under disgraced Goncalo Amaral achieved “very little” during their 15 month investigation.

He also thwarted attempts by Mr Amaral to charge the McCanns with child abandonment, leading to a souring in relations between police and prosecutors.


Mr Amaral went on to write a controversial book called ‘The Truth of the Lie’ which the McCanns are currently suing him over at an ongoing civil trial in a Lisbon court.


 
 

It also emerged last night Madeleine’s parents are set to apply to become private prosecutors - “assistentes” under Portuguese law - in the reopened criminal inquiry.

It will mean their legal team can work alongside state prosecutors so they are kept informed of all new developments and conduct their own private prosecution - running parallel to the state prosecution - against any future suspects charged over Madeleine’s disappearance.

It marks a remarkable turn-around in a case in which they were once 'arguidos' - suspects.

Their status as ‘assistentes’ would be crucial because of the secrecy order slapped on the case by Portugal’s Attorney General.

They wouldn’t have access to all case files at present because of the secrecy order as ‘assistentes’ - but would once the secrecy order is lifted.

Mr Alves said yesterday: “I will be applying for the McCanns to become assistentes in this case but don’t know yet when.

“Madeleine is the victim as well as her parents who are also her legal representatives."



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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:40:39 AM
Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.


The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

If the investigation is at such a critical stage,  and secrecy is imperative  ...  why is the McCanns criminal  lawyer talking to the press  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:42:50 AM
New avenues i cant think of any that havent been thought of
This sound good
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 26, 2013, 12:45:25 AM
So the same  Public Prosecutor has been put in charge 

....   the one who said the McCanns  'failed to prove their innocence'  by refusing to do a reconstruction  ? 

interesting
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2013, 12:46:01 AM
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Their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said yesterday: “The McCanns were already informed about the reopening of the inquiry and the reasons why it was being reopened.

“They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“The Portuguese police told them this at a meeting in Lisbon last week at which British police were also present.

"What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation not only that the truth will be discovered but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”
Sounding pretty good for the Mccanns to me
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 26, 2013, 12:49:13 AM
Sounding pretty good for the Mccanns to me

I cant think of any new avenues .if she is alive i hope its gone really fast for her like it has for me .feels like last year she went missing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 01:03:14 AM
If the investigation is at such a critical stage,  and secrecy is imperative  ...  why is the McCanns criminal  lawyer talking to the press  ?
I've searched but found nothing about the mundane Dr Alves being present or not at the PJ headquarters. I do guess he was, he even might have organized the final talk, a sort of preamble to the request of assistant statute ("private prosecutor" !, those tabloids exceed themselves !).
DCI Redwood likely took the McCanns in his luggages so to speak.
RA was very useful as a spin doctor to convince that the PJ, miraculously, after 6 years and a half of blindness and deafness have finally understood the vanity of investigating such special victims.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 26, 2013, 01:08:35 AM
humble pie anyone  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 01:12:17 AM

Hope for Gerry and Kate McCann as Portugese police are confident they will find Madeleine

PORTUGUESE police are confident they will find Madeleine McCann alive, her parents’ lawyer revealed yesterday.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 26th October 2013

HOPE: Police in Portugal have reopened the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance [PA]
 
Rogerio Alves, the Portuguese attorney representing Kate and Gerry McCann, said that was the “sole aim” of the officers after reopening the investigation.

He said the detectives have finally admitted to the McCanns, both 45, that they no longer regard them as suspects.

The original investigation, which pointed the finger at the couple, both doctors, was shelved five years ago.

At a meeting with the McCanns in Portugal’s capital Lisbon, police chiefs told them they were confident the “truth will be discovered’ about their daughter’s fate”.

Details of the new line of inquiry were being kept secret by the police because the probe is at such a critical stage any leak could hamper it.

“This new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents”
Rogerio Alves, Kate and Gerry McCann's Portugese attorney
The reopening of the investigation, which was announced by Portugal’s Attorney General on Thursday, follows a two-and-a-half-year internal review of the evidence. The probe will run parallel to the ongoing Met Police inquiry.

Mr Alves said Kate and Gerry were told the “reasons why it was being reopened” at the meeting with Portuguese and British police last week.

He said: “They also know that this new line of inquiry excludes any responsibility of the parents.

“What it means is that the police understand there are new avenues that should be explored.

“This brings Madeleine’s parents a legitimate expectation, not only that the truth will be discovered, but also that it will be possible to find Madeleine alive – which is the sole aim of all the efforts they’ve been making.”

British police also believe the youngster, who disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in 2007, could still be alive. They have spent two years reviewing the original case files and documents from eight teams of private detectives hired by the McCanns and said they have found no evidence she is dead.

Mr Alves, who was hired by the McCanns after they were declared suspects by the original police team, now wants them made “assistentes”, private prosecutors, in the case.

It will mean their lawyers can work with state prosecutors, and even press their own charges against suspects.


Mr Alves added the secrecy order prevented him revealing the new line of inquiry.

He said: “The police asked us specifically not to compromise the investigation and we are all obliged to respect the secrecy order.”

http://valera.dailystar-uk.co.uk/news/latest-news/347270/Hope-for-Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-as-Portugese-police-are-confident-they-will-find-Madeleine
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 26, 2013, 01:37:40 AM
Fabulous news, all the way round. ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 01:55:57 AM
If the investigation is at such a critical stage,  and secrecy is imperative  ...  why is the McCanns criminal  lawyer talking to the press  ?

Didn't you notice he was extremely careful not to mention anything to do with the current investigation or have you still not absorbed the information that the McCanns who he did talk about are not part of that current investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 02:16:51 AM
I've searched but found nothing about the mundane Dr Alves being present or not at the PJ headquarters. I do guess he was, he even might have organized the final talk, a sort of preamble to the request of assistant statute ("private prosecutor" !, those tabloids exceed themselves !).
DCI Redwood likely took the McCanns in his luggages so to speak.
RA was very useful as a spin doctor to convince that the PJ, miraculously, after 6 years and a half of blindness and deafness have finally understood the vanity of investigating such special victims.

This is a very sour post from you.

Inferring that DCI took the McCanns in his luggage (sic).
Guesswork without any evidence of anything.
You seem very bitter about the PJ having finally, after a two year review, realised there is no evidence of any crime by the McCanns, something we all saw as soon as the archival report was released.
And you seem very bitter about the McCanns themselves with your phrase, "special victims".

All victims of crime are special and deserve to be treated as such.


And on another matter, I have just spotted what I think is a translation error.  You may be able to help.

Am I correct in thinking that 'eles perderam' is the mais-que perfeito (pluperfect) and would be translated as 'they had lost' rather than 'they lost'?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 02:52:23 AM
So the same  Public Prosecutor has been put in charge 

....   the one who said the McCanns  'failed to prove their innocence'  by refusing to do a reconstruction  ? 

interesting
Yes Magalhães e Menezes, the one who said also the investigation was disturbed, because facts, without a reconstruction, remained unclarified.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 03:06:44 AM
Yes Magalhães e Menezes, the one who said also the investigation was disturbed, because facts, without a reconstruction, remained unclarified.

And who also made it very, very clear that there was no evidence of any crime by the McCanns.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 03:06:53 AM
This is a very sour post from you.

Inferring that DCI took the McCanns in his luggage (sic).
Guesswork without any evidence of anything.
You seem very bitter about the PJ having finally, after a two year review, realised there is no evidence of any crime by the McCanns, something we all saw as soon as the archival report was released.
And you seem very bitter about the McCanns themselves with your phrase, "special victims".

All victims of crime are special and deserve to be treated as such.


And on another matter, I have just spotted what I think is a translation error.  You may be able to help.

Am I correct in thinking that 'eles perderam' is the mais-que perfeito (pluperfect) and would be translated as 'they had lost' rather than 'they lost'?
Perderam is morphologically identical in two tenses (only for the 3rd plural) one being the Pretérito perfeito and the other the Pretérito mais que Perfeito. Therefore the translation depends on the context. In case of ambiguity the Portuguese will use the (more current) form, the compound one, of the Mais que Perfeito.
Instead of spotting bitterness where there's only some irony (no cynicism), what about sharing your special informations ? And what about the notorious waiter, you know the one, don't you ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 26, 2013, 03:07:45 AM
Yes Magalhães e Menezes, the one who said also the investigation was disturbed, because facts, without a reconstruction, remained unclarified.

The same man who having considered all of the 'foregoing' evidence (which included the non-reconstruction - for which he attributed no blame to the McCanns)  clearly and unequivocably came to the conclusion that it was apparent that the parents had no involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 03:10:09 AM
Perderam is morphologically identical in two tenses (only for the 3rd plural) one being the Pretérito perfeito and the other the Pretérito mais que Perfeito. Therefore the translation depends on the context. In case of ambiguity the Portuguese will use the (more current) form, the compound one, of the Mais que Perfeito.
Instead of spotting bitterness where there's only some irony (no cynicism), what about sharing your special informations ? And what about the notorious waiter, you know the one, don't you ?

The waiter you refer to is not a waiter. Had you read the full quote I posted and the page I referred to you would be aware of that.

And I will comment on clear bitterness in posts when I see it. I saw it and commented.

Thank you for the comments about the word 'perderam'. They confirm that there is indeed a small but significant error in a translation within the online English version of the files which I shall return to at a later date.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 03:14:33 AM
The same man who having considered all of the 'foregoing' evidence (which included the non-reconstruction - for which he attributed no blame to the McCanns)  clearly and unequivocably came to the conclusion that it was apparent that the parents had no involvement in the disappearance of their daughter.
Who knows when things aren't what they appear to be ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 26, 2013, 03:17:10 AM
Who knows when things aren't what they appear to be ?

[ censored word ]s?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 26, 2013, 03:18:40 AM
The waiter you refer to is not a waiter. Had you read the full quote I posted and the page I referred to you would be aware of that.

And I will comment on clear bitterness in posts when I see it. I saw it and commented.

Where is your full quote and what is the name of the witness ?
Invent bitterness if it gives you a kick !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Chinagirl on October 26, 2013, 07:17:54 AM
It is time to abandon this preoccupation with the reconstruction not taking place, and the phrase "failed to prove their innocence." 

Clearly their innocence has been accepted by both strands of the current enquiry, which is why Rogerio Alves was able to state that the McCanns are not being investigated, and that he is applying to have them made 'assistentes' in the re-opened investigation.

The sceptics here seem very reluctant to accept that this is a NEW enquiry which is concentrating on stranger abduction (not concealment of death by Madeleine's parents), so the previous investigation has been rendered obsolete.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 08:39:07 AM
Who knows when things aren't what they appear to be ?

What precisely does that comment mean because it certainly is not clear?

Are you suggesting that hidden forces are at work?

Are you suggesting that the AG report at the archival stage of the case was not what it appeared to be?

Have you been taken in by Amaral latterly clutching at excuses for his dismissal?  Because even he originally told us the reason was that he had been caught talking out of turn about the case.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on October 26, 2013, 08:40:43 AM
Where is your full quote and what is the name of the witness ?
Invent bitterness if it gives you a kick !

No-one reading your post above could fail to see the bitterness it exuded. It did not give me a kick. It may have done that for you but it rather made me sick that someone could have such bitterness.

The full quote is on this forum where I posted it in English. And is in the full page image (in Portuguese) which Luz kindly posted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 26, 2013, 02:43:30 PM
And who also made it very, very clear that there was no evidence of any crime by the McCanns.




Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 03:21:17 PM
They are not Portuguese and they are not in prison. In fact they were in a meeting with Portuguese investigating team/authorities very recently.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 03:37:18 PM
They are not Portuguese and they are not in prison. In fact they were in a meeting with Portuguese investigating team/authorities very recently.

Exactly!

Isn't it a good thing Anne can't find anything out about Dr Alves being present or not at the PJ headquarters?
This way we know there's no leaks, up to now. No dossiers to use on any of these PJ.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 03:39:09 PM
Tomorrows papers ,new leads are because she is alive

Well last week the papers said

Maddy found in Greece

Maddy found in Ireland

When will the media stop using this child to make money out of her. ITS DISGUSTING.

If the child is alive she wont be for long if the media keep on about her being found.

To be honest all this new activity, is it smoke and mirrors....

How come ALL of a sudden after trawling through lots of papers for 15 months they may have found something of note.

I am so not getting excited about this. IF it was that obvious 15 months ago, and was missed then was it that obvious...that TWO police forces missed it. I thought the English police were helping the PJ at the time.

Also Amaral was only on the case upto the sighting of the Smiths then when he was taken of it seemed the investigation went down hill.

Maybe they have found something or they are checking on movements of people that wasnt checked before because the timeline has changed etc.

We shall see.

I am kind of not getting excited. ALSO I find it odd that the PJ are saying the investigating they are doing has nothing to do with Scotland Yard which makes me wonder what is going on.

We shall see ....... It would be lovely if Maddy finally came home for xmas.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 26, 2013, 03:40:24 PM
They are not Portuguese and they are not in prison. In fact they were in a meeting with Portuguese investigating team/authorities very recently.

Oh right ......whatever

Good job they are  not  Portuguese then ......

my point was though....imustpointit out  .....apparently not a  crime  in  England  ....but a  crime  in Portugal ....they were  in Portugal  ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 03:58:14 PM
Sounds like a lot of media spin to me.

Smoke and mirrors.

And I agree this is all about selling newspapers. Making money out of the disappearance of a child. Disgusting. And also I presume a justification for the Madeleine Fund which purports to be trying to find her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 03:59:31 PM
Oh right ......whatever

Good job they are  not  Portuguese then ......

my point was though....imustpointit out  .....apparently not a  crime  in  England  ....but a  crime  in Portugal ....they were  in Portugal  ....

well that's Portugal for you - they have them bang to rights on a crime in Portugal and don't arrest them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on October 26, 2013, 04:17:28 PM
well that's Portugal for you - they have them bang to rights on a crime in Portugal and don't arrest them.


mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 26, 2013, 04:21:44 PM

mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO

really? then why did the pj let them go when they could of stopped them ..who's being silly now 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on October 26, 2013, 04:22:57 PM
that is not a true statement they were given permission to return to England so many myths.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 04:23:04 PM
Quote
mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO


EAW
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 04:24:06 PM
that is not a true statement they were given permission to return to England so many myths.

they were not refused permission and apparently got over the border on an Easyjet flight!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 04:42:50 PM
Both Express and Star apparently suggesting that Madeleine McCann may well be alive and that the aim of the PJ is to reunite her with her family.

Hmmmm - what is really going on? How can it be that the McCann's have been completely ruled out as having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter or any knowledge of what really happened to her?

The abduction theory has more holes than a colander. It was the theory advanced by the McCann's themselves, without any proper evidence. Furthermore, the theory conflicted strongly with their own belief system that abduction was a very rare event, and not one that they had worried about when they left their children alone in the apartment.

And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine, then why did they let the crime scene be contaminated by so many people?

I suppose the Emperor has been walking around now for so long in his birthday suit that it has become the norm. The show must go on.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 26, 2013, 04:47:07 PM
Hmmmm - what is really going on? How can it be that the McCann's have been completely ruled out as having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter or any knowledge of what really happened to her?

The abduction theory has more holes than a colander. It was the theory advanced by the McCann's themselves, without any proper evidence. Furthermore, the theory conflicted strongly with their own belief system that abduction was a very rare event, and not one that they had worried about when they left their children alone in the apartment.

And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine, then why did they let the crime scene be contaminated by so many people?

I suppose the Emperor has been walking around now for so long in his birthday suit that it has become the norm. The show must go on.



"And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine"

Not just any stranger abducted her, it was a paedophile!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on October 26, 2013, 04:58:22 PM
I cannot after six and a half years and I have been around since the tragic news broke cannot see the holes. The McCanns are not ppl of interest and not commited a crime we have been informed by PJ & SY. Lets all be positive and hopefully Madeleine will be found,safe and reunited with her family but I  know she will need and the family lots of help.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2013, 05:01:13 PM

mmmmmmmm ...............that was the reason  they fled  to England  .....they knew they were about  to be arrested IMO

That's a most sensible post..they fled Portugal because they feared they were about to be arrested...for a crime they had not committed...whats wrong with that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2013, 05:03:05 PM



Kate McCann's lawyer Carlos Pinto de Abreu: ''If you were Portuguese this would be enough to put you in prison.''

You would need the full context from where that was taken
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 05:15:34 PM
Indeed. Nothing could be guaranteed to gain maximum media attention more than the abduction of a four year old girl by a stranger who was part of a paedophile ring.

And therein lies another of the McCann inconsistencies. They were/are 'convinced' that their daughter was abducted from the apartment and that they believed it to be the act of a paedophile, working as part of a paedophile ring.

This would account for their 'hysterical' reactions when they discovered their daughter 'had been taken' that night.

Okay, so let us take this claim at face value. If you thought your child had been abducted by a paedophile, what, realistically, would you expect the outcome to be? It assumes that your child has not been picked up by, say, a childless couple or another possible outcome with less horrific consequences.

The logical conclusion to the McCann's assumption would be that Madeleine would be in a horrible, hideous situation and one which would, in all probability, lead to her early demise (possibly a less horrible outcome than being an abducted child in a paedophile ring).

Yet, despite their early convictions, they continue to believe that she may be alive and well and even, if we are to believe the papers, reunited with her family in time for Christmas! The mind boggles - exactly how many years of psychotherapy would a child need following abduction and being held prisoner by a paedophile gang?

But this does not seem to be something that the McCanns have discussed. On the contrary, in one media interview, Kate says of Madeleine in respect of her abductors: 'She will be giving them her pennies-worth'.

????

Excuse me?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 05:19:25 PM
@ j.rob

and you point is?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 26, 2013, 05:20:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if SY have got an ace up their sleeve from the efits and also wanted the Portuguese to reopen the case at this time. They are working closely together.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 26, 2013, 05:23:31 PM
Today - what do you think my point is?

Have a think about it then get back to me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2013, 05:27:03 PM
Indeed. Nothing could be guaranteed to gain maximum media attention more than the abduction of a four year old girl by a stranger who was part of a paedophile ring.

And therein lies another of the McCann inconsistencies. They were/are 'convinced' that their daughter was abducted from the apartment and that they believed it to be the act of a paedophile, working as part of a paedophile ring.

This would account for their 'hysterical' reactions when they discovered their daughter 'had been taken' that night.

Okay, so let us take this claim at face value. If you thought your child had been abducted by a paedophile, what, realistically, would you expect the outcome to be? It assumes that your child has not been picked up by, say, a childless couple or another possible outcome with less horrific consequences.

The logical conclusion to the McCann's assumption would be that Madeleine would be in a horrible, hideous situation and one which would, in all probability, lead to her early demise (possibly a less horrible outcome than being an abducted child in a paedophile ring).

Yet, despite their early convictions, they continue to believe that she may be alive and well and even, if we are to believe the papers, reunited with her family in time for Christmas! The mind boggles - exactly how many years of psychotherapy would a child need following abduction and being held prisoner by a paedophile gang?

But this does not seem to be something that the McCanns have discussed. On the contrary, in one media interview, Kate says of Madeleine in respect of her abductors: 'She will be giving them her pennies-worth'.

????

Excuse me?

the pros live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 05:45:48 PM
the pros live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

whilst you are online and active: would you mind correcting the title to your mrs fern topic to Mrs Fenn
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 05:53:26 PM
Hmmmm - what is really going on? How can it be that the McCann's have been completely ruled out as having anything to do with the disappearance of their daughter or any knowledge of what really happened to her?

The abduction theory has more holes than a colander. It was the theory advanced by the McCann's themselves, without any proper evidence. Furthermore, the theory conflicted strongly with their own belief system that abduction was a very rare event, and not one that they had worried about when they left their children alone in the apartment.

And if the McCanns were so convinced at such an early stage that a stranger had abducted Madeleine, then why did they let the crime scene be contaminated by so many people?

I suppose the Emperor has been walking around now for so long in his birthday suit that it has become the norm. The show must go on.

Personally I think removing Jane Tanner's Bundleman was tantamount to pointing out the emperor's dangley bits.... 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 05:53:58 PM
the pros live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

No one will be a winner here if the child is found alive.

I agree with you sadly.

IF she was taken by a pedophile ring she will have been slowly groomed, and probably sold on to some rich guy. Everyone has heard of the Stockholm syndrome, she will be more than likely totally indoctrinated into the only life she knows or remembers.

To her it will all be totally normal...

Ms Kampusch, who escaped from Priklopil's house in 2006, was widely believed to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome after repeatedly sympathising with her captor.
'I feel more and more sorry for him - he's a poor soul,' she told a documentary, and after he threw himself in front of a train she said, 'I mourn for him in a certain way.'

To Maddy at 10 years old it will be her way of life. I expect receiving treats for good behaviour etc.....its hard to talk about but its reality.

If the child is found alive and has been with pedophiles, she will need a lot of therapy, might never ever get through it almost putting her back into normality can trigger off a psychological event she might never get over...

Anyone who thinks she will just go back into the family like she had been on a vacation needs to really get a reality check.

Sadly most young girls snatched by sex offenders are usually murdered very quickly afterwards.

Its all so sad and so unnecessary. I still cant get it round my head that the night creche was located just behind the tapas bar, so it would have been so easy to drop 3 kiddies off and still enjoy yourself, at least knowing your children were safe.

All too late for Maddy really either way dead or alive she was never going to be in a good place, giving anyone her tuppence worth............

God bless her. xxxx
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 05:56:52 PM
so many experts on here
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 26, 2013, 05:59:25 PM
the pros live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

How do you know what I believe, Carly? Who are "the pros"? How do you know what they believe?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2013, 06:03:37 PM
No one will be a winner here if the child is found alive.

I agree with you sadly.

IF she was taken by a pedophile ring she will have been slowly groomed, and probably sold on to some rich guy. Everyone has heard of the Stockholm syndrome, she will be more than likely totally indoctrinated into the only life she knows or remembers.

To her it will all be totally normal...

Ms Kampusch, who escaped from Priklopil's house in 2006, was widely believed to be suffering from Stockholm syndrome after repeatedly sympathising with her captor.
'I feel more and more sorry for him - he's a poor soul,' she told a documentary, and after he threw himself in front of a train she said, 'I mourn for him in a certain way.'

To Maddy at 10 years old it will be her way of life. I expect receiving treats for good behaviour etc.....its hard to talk about but its reality.

If the child is found alive and has been with pedophiles, she will need a lot of therapy, might never ever get through it almost putting her back into normality can trigger off a psychological event she might never get over...

Anyone who thinks she will just go back into the family like she had been on a vacation needs to really get a reality check.

Sadly most young girls snatched by sex offenders are usually murdered very quickly afterwards.

Its all so sad and so unnecessary. I still cant get it round my head that the night creche was located just behind the tapas bar, so it would have been so easy to drop 3 kiddies off and still enjoy yourself, at least knowing your children were safe.

All too late for Maddy really either way dead or alive she was never going to be in a good place, giving anyone her tuppence worth............

God bless her. xxxx

im glad you understand what im talking g about no one wants those things for maddie but its the  truth  if she truly is alive the mcanns are strangers to her and she would have to totally   ajust to more strangers do you think she  would trust anyone if she was  supposdly with   a abductor all this time?? she would never trust anyone again and pros have said in the past she would forget but she wouldnt not trauma like that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 26, 2013, 06:05:13 PM
"the pros"? Are they like the borg?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 26, 2013, 06:06:51 PM
carlymichelle the child welfare expert
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 06:07:16 PM
so many experts on here

Well i talk from experience about being abused...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2013, 06:10:41 PM
the pros live in a denail fantasy s world where they believe if maddie is found  she will leap into the mcanns arms as if nothing has   happned   reality is  even if maddie was abducted she would not know who the mcanns are the  human  brain has no memory until  about the age or over  4 or 5 years old maddie  was  nearly  4  yes but i highly  doubt she would  remeber  the mcanns or  her  family    trauma alone would cause her not too

you would have to be stupid to believe that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 06:11:29 PM
im glad you understand what im talking g about no one wants those things for maddie but its the  truth  if she truly is alive the mcanns are strangers to her and she would have to totally   ajust to more strangers do you think she  would trust anyone if she was  supposdly with   a abductor all this time?? she would never trust anyone again and pros have said in the past she would forget but she wouldnt not trauma like that

I know from experience about abuse and how it can affect someone.

Anyway its obvious there will be a problem its the only life she would have known.

How many people can actually say they remember what they did from 0-3 years old...really....

I have a vague memory of when i was five getting a pink ballet wrap thats about it.

AND people who have been traumatised find it easier to block things off its a coping mechanism.

I find it sad that when someone posts sensibly people then accuse them of being experts.

Well sometimes people just are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 26, 2013, 06:12:14 PM
you would have to be stupid to believe that

You would have to be stupid NOT to believe that..... ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 26, 2013, 06:13:32 PM
I know from experience about abuse and how it can affect someone.

Anyway its obvious there will be a problem its the only life she would have known.

How many people can actually say they remember what they did from 0-3 years old...really....

I have a vague memory of when i was five getting a pink ballet wrap thats about it.

AND people who have been traumatised find it easier to block things off its a coping mechanism.

I find it sad that when someone posts sensibly people then accuse them of being experts.

Well sometimes people just are.

the human brain starts to  remember memories fully at about aged  4  or 5 so maddie would have  no memory of her former life IF she is alive i remember  things  clearly  from about aged  5 or  6   not much before that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 26, 2013, 06:16:20 PM
what I do believe is that if Maddie was found alive, depending on her circumstances what would happen to her long term future would be extremely complex and involve the courts and mediacl experts.To suggest she would jump into the McCanns arms is plain stupid
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on October 26, 2013, 06:24:08 PM
what I do believe is that if Maddie was found alive, depending on her circumstances what would happen to her long term future would be extremely complex and involve the courts and mediacl experts.To suggest she would jump into the McCanns arms is plain stupid

Cheers davel - the second time we are in agreement!!  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 26, 2013, 06:26:42 PM
the human brain starts to  remember memories fully at about aged  4  or 5 so maddie would have  no memory of her former life IF she is alive i remember  things  clearly  from about aged  5 or  6   not much before that

Madeleine as her name is (not maddie) was 4 years old just about to to start school ..I think she would remember some of her past at that age..i remember the first day I a started school very well ..so you cant just assume madeleine!! wont remember ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 07:42:49 PM
Madeleine as her name is (not maddie) was 4 years old just about to to start school ..I think she would remember some of her past at that age..i remember the first day I a started school very well ..so you cant just assume madeleine!! wont remember ...

I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 07:53:04 PM
I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.

I mean this in the nicest possible way, but that post illiterates exactly what I mean about getting too involved. We don't know Madeleine Mccann! She is a photograph to us. A picture in a magazine and a portrait painted by distressed parents. I don't anyone would relate all the annoying or bad things their kids had done if they were missing or deceased. Not that they'd intend to be deceptive, but we tend to have rose coloured glasses in times like that.

I've also never heard a parent say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'.

This Idea you have of a perfect child is in your head DCI. She doesn't know nor ever has existed, except in the eyes of her family.

I think my sons are the closest things to perfection in the world. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me though. They'd be too busy thinking the same about their own children for a start.

If she is alive and is found, I really think that whole family should be given another identity and move someone nice and far away. Like the Amazon rain forest..


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 08:02:37 PM
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but that post illiterates exactly what I mean about getting too involved. We don't know Madeleine Mccann! She is a photograph to us. A picture in a magazine and a portrait painted by distressed parents. I don't anyone would relate all the annoying or bad things their kids had done if they were missing or deceased. Not that they'd intend to be deceptive, but we tend to have rose coloured glasses in times like that.

I've also never heard a parent say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'.

This Idea you have of a perfect child is in your head DCI. She doesn't know nor ever has existed, except in the eyes of her family.

I think my sons are the closest things to perfection in the world. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me though. They'd be too busy thinking the same about their own children for a start.

If she is alive and is found, I really think that whole family should be given another identity and move someone nice and far away. Like the Amazon rain forest..

Would you like to point out where I've said any of what you posted?

As for them moving, why should they, just to please you?

You might like the Amazon rain forest.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 08:18:04 PM
Would you like to point out where I've said any of what you posted?

As for them moving, why should they, just to please you?

You might like the Amazon rain forest.



I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.

Bolded for you. I'd love to live in the Amazon rain forest! Not to please me, no. For there protection and privacy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 26, 2013, 09:01:11 PM
I don't understand what is the point of the discussion of 'how Madeleine would behave and feel when she is found'

The best thing for her is really to be found and to be surrounded by her family members.

There is nothing else on this earth better than that for her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 26, 2013, 09:09:51 PM
I mean this in the nicest possible way, but that post illiterates exactly what I mean about getting too involved. We don't know Madeleine Mccann! She is a photograph to us. A picture in a magazine and a portrait painted by distressed parents. I don't anyone would relate all the annoying or bad things their kids had done if they were missing or deceased. Not that they'd intend to be deceptive, but we tend to have rose coloured glasses in times like that.

I've also never heard a parent say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'.

This Idea you have of a perfect child is in your head DCI. She doesn't know nor ever has existed, except in the eyes of her family.

I think my sons are the closest things to perfection in the world. I'm not sure everyone would agree with me though. They'd be too busy thinking the same about their own children for a start.

If she is alive and is found, I really think that whole family should be given another identity and move someone nice and far away. Like the Amazon rain forest..

I think Madeleine would remember some of her past too. Look how close they all were, and she adored her mommy and daddy. The twins too. She was due to start school that year, and everyone said what a bright child she is.

There's brains and there's brains. You can get kiddies aged 3/4 with more brains than some older kids.

Don't need rose tinted glasses, to know how many have said Madeleine is a bright girl. Anything wrong with that?

where did I say "parents say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'"?.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 26, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Don't need rose tinted glasses, to know how many have said Madeleine is a bright girl. Anything wrong with that?

where did I say "parents say that there kid is 'nice but dim' or 'a bit dense really'"?.

No, you misunderstood. I was saying that no one ever says that about their own kids. We all say our kids are incredibly bright.

Not all kids are though, it's just that those nearest and dearest don't see it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 27, 2013, 12:00:22 AM
Since this is the thread about latest news on Madeleine, there are some news from the tomorrows papers in Portugal.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/pj-analisa-sinais-de-telefones-no-caso-maddie

GOOGLE TRANSLATE

Research : Inspectors returned to the Ocean Club in the Algarve
PJ analyzes phone signals in Maddie case
Antennas let you know what zone they were suspects and witnesses
The Judicial Police was already on the ground to realize that mobile telephone masts are located near the Ocean Club , in Lagos, the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007 . The purpose of the inspectors will make triangulation Cellphones crucial witnesses and possible suspects that may be identified in the process , which has now been reopened . The signals from the antennas of mobile phones allow you to narrow down the area in which each person was on the night of the disappearance .
The inspectors of the Judicial Police were in the village of Praia da Luz for nearly a month , where they have a new analysis of the ground.
During the day yesterday , the Judicial Police was also listening to some witnesses who had been identified as important in the reanalysis of the case made ​​by the inspectors of Porto for two years . Efforts have elapsed throughout the day .
When the Morning Post found for now is not expected to need to be carried out searches.
One of the fundamental steps for research will also be reconstituted, that never came to be made and , as reported yesterday the CM , have now been accepted by the McCanns . Kate and Gerry proved to be available to participate in the reconstruction and show , so the inspectors where they were the night of the crime. Remember that the couple was having dinner in a restaurant of the resort , while Madeleine and the two twin brothers were sleeping in the room.
The research focuses now on PJ abduction theory and the possibility of the girl, who at the time was about to complete four years have been taken from the room by pedophiles .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 27, 2013, 05:47:27 AM
Thanks for that.

I wonder if the PJ are playing a very clever game....

Keep your enemys close.......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 27, 2013, 07:47:31 AM
Thanks for that.

I wonder if the PJ are playing a very clever game....

Keep your enemys close.......

fantasy land
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 27, 2013, 08:57:39 AM
So does this mean that a reconstruction will actually go ahead? If it did, would we hear about it or would it be covered be judicial secrecy?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 27, 2013, 09:06:39 AM
So does this mean that a reconstruction will actually go ahead? If it did, would we hear about it or would it be covered be judicial secrecy?

The reconstruction already happened, according to the Portuguese papers. The PJ's independent from SY team went to PDL and has made the reconstruction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 27, 2013, 09:12:34 AM
The reconstruction already happened, according to the Portuguese papers. The PJ's independent from SY team went to PDL and has made the reconstruction.

Really? wow! All the T9?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 27, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
Since this is the thread about latest news on Madeleine, there are some news from the tomorrows papers in Portugal.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/pj-analisa-sinais-de-telefones-no-caso-maddie

GOOGLE TRANSLATE

Research : Inspectors returned to the Ocean Club in the Algarve
PJ analyzes phone signals in Maddie case
Antennas let you know what zone they were suspects and witnesses
The Judicial Police was already on the ground to realize that mobile telephone masts are located near the Ocean Club , in Lagos, the resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared on May 3, 2007 . The purpose of the inspectors will make triangulation Cellphones crucial witnesses and possible suspects that may be identified in the process , which has now been reopened . The signals from the antennas of mobile phones allow you to narrow down the area in which each person was on the night of the disappearance .
The inspectors of the Judicial Police were in the village of Praia da Luz for nearly a month , where they have a new analysis of the ground.
During the day yesterday , the Judicial Police was also listening to some witnesses who had been identified as important in the reanalysis of the case made ​​by the inspectors of Porto for two years . Efforts have elapsed throughout the day .
When the Morning Post found for now is not expected to need to be carried out searches.
One of the fundamental steps for research will also be reconstituted, that never came to be made and , as reported yesterday the CM , have now been accepted by the McCanns . Kate and Gerry proved to be available to participate in the reconstruction and show , so the inspectors where they were the night of the crime. Remember that the couple was having dinner in a restaurant of the resort , while Madeleine and the two twin brothers were sleeping in the room.
The research focuses now on PJ abduction theory and the possibility of the girl, who at the time was about to complete four years have been taken from the room by pedophiles .
Why do sy still feel she could be alve if it was pedophiles
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 27, 2013, 11:14:03 AM
Madeline McCann: Breakthrough as police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking nearby
27 October 2013 12:00 AM By Patrick Hill
The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched
Priority: Man seen in newly-released e-fits
Police are hunting three men said to be gypsies seen lurking near Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment before her disappearance, the Sunday People can reveal.

The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched .

Police on the re-opened case want to interview janitors who blamed the gypsies for the break-ins.

Officers believe the maintenance men, who fixed a blind in the McCanns’ holiday flat two days before Madeleine went missing in May 2007, are crucial to the case.

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in Kate and Gerry’s bedroom at 10am on May 1.

Mr Ferro, quizzed by Portuguese police four days after Madeleine vanished, said gypsies had been ­active in the area at the time.

He mentioned a warehouse near the resort’s Millennium Restaurant where he said the three gypsies had stolen firewood and scrap metal.

The “potentially highly significant” evidence was dismissed as “not relevant or useful” by officers involved in the controversial initial probe – led by disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral.

 
PA
 
But it is now being taken seriously after a four-year-old blonde girl was last week found living with gypsies, who had bought her for just £750 in Greece.

As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away.

The new probe by Portuguese and British police has boosted the hopes of the missing youngster’s anguished parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

Police in Portugal have drawn up a list of 41 “people of interest” and e-fit ­pictures have been issued of a man seen carrying a child near the resort after Madeleine was taken.

Aged three, Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, while her ­parents were eating tapas nearby.

They are being kept briefed on developments, but their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said: “The police asked us not to compromise the investigation and we are obliged to respect the secrecy order.

“It would be a crime for anyone working with full information on the details to talk about it.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, yesterday appealed for people to be “patient” as the new begins.

In a message on their Find Madeleine website, where they have posted a picture of how Maddy would look today aged nine, they asked people to “respect the work of the police as they endeavour to find the answers.”

They added: “We’re very pleased the investigation to find Madeleine has officially been reopened in Portugal.

Anyone with information should contact police, either here in the UK or in Portugal.”

McCanns 'pleased' as probe reopens 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 28, 2013, 08:29:17 AM
Portuguese police held their own Madeleine McCann reconstruction
A RECONSTRUCTION by Portuguese detectives of key events on the day Madeleine McCann went missing has helped persuade the country's legal offi-cials to re-open the case, we reveal today.
By: James Murray Sun, October 27, 2013
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The reconstruction helped persuade legal officials to re-open the investigation [PA]
The detectives, who have been reviewing the case files for two years, went to Praia da Luz on the Algarve a month ago to pursue secret inquiries.

They spent hours walking around the Ocean Club working out where certain people were seen at particular times and at Apartment 5a, from where threeyear-old Madeleine went missing on May 3, 2007.

The exercise was the culmination of months of work by four Portuguese detectives based in Porto in the north of the country, who are directly working for the highly respected senior officer Helen Monteiro, an expert on abduction cases.

It is thought her elite team of dedicated officers has recently been concentrating on statements from witnesses who say they saw unknown people acting suspiciously in the resort around the time the child was missed. The work in Luz came before Scotland Yard released photofits of potential suspects on the BBC's Crimewatch show this month.

Madeleine McCann went missing from this apartment in 2007 [EXPRESS NEWSPAPERS]

Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world

Paula Teixeira da Cruz, Portuguese Justice Minister
Ms Monteiro has insisted all her officers work in absolute secrecy to prevent leaks of their inquiries. It was decided officers in Porto should conduct the review as none had any direct involvement in the first Madeleine McCann investigation and would therefore approach the case with fresh eyes and open minds.

In Portugal, Ms Monteiro is seen as the driving force finally to get the Madeleine case files re-opened after five years, rather than through the efforts of Scotland Yard. She and her team are working separately from the Yard, although there is close liaison between the two.

Yesterday Portuguese Justice Minister Paula Teixeira da Cruz said the decision to reopen the case, taken last week, was due to the work of the Policia Judiciaria and not because of pressure from Scotland Yard. She said: "The PJ developed diligences that allowed for this process to be reopened. Often there are almost perfect crimes and not all of them are discovered all over the world. If the PJ requested the reopening, it has good motives to do so."

Portuguese law officials and senior officers in the PJ have been acutely aware of criticism of the initial police investigation and insist they are determined to solve the case.

The McCann's Portugese lawyer Rogerio Alves wants the parents to act as 'assistants' in the case [AFP]

Ms Teixeira da Cruz urged people to be "proud" of the work being done by the PJ, which she insisted had not been idle in seeking to solve the mystery.

For a time Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, were seen as arguidos or suspects but that status was lifted. Now they are being kept fully informed of all developments and were given a personal briefing of the work of the PJ in Lisbon last week.

The McCann's Portuguese lawyer, Rogerio Alves, is reportedly seeking for his clients to be "assistants" in the case. This would allow their lawyer to work closely with state prosecutors.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 29, 2013, 07:17:14 AM
Police set to interview former handy men who worked at Madeleine holiday club

POLICE probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance want to interview two odd-job men who worked at the Algarve holiday club where she ­vanished.

By: Anil DawarPublished: Mon, October 28, 2013
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Police want to interview two handy men who worked at the club where Madeleine McCann went missing [EPA]

The pair had worked inside the McCann family’s apartment two days before she was snatched. They later told police a gang of gypsies were responsible for burglaries in the area.

The Portuguese men are just two of 41 on a Scotland Yard list of “people of interest”. They were employed at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

A separate case review by Portuguese police has also come to the conclusion that resort employees could hold the key to Madeleine’s disappearance in May 2007.

Both forces have run exhaustive background checks on a number of people questioned during the original inquiry. But according to Portuguese public prosecutors the investigations turned up “very little”.

Madeleine disappeared from the holiday flat whilst her parents were out for dinner [PA]

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in parents Kate and Gerry McCann’s bedroom around 10am on May 1, 2007
More than 130 employees were quizzed by detectives led by former police chief Goncalo Amaral in the original inquiry .

They included the two maintenance workers who fixed a window blind in the McCanns’ holiday apartment two days before the three-year-old went missing.

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in parents Kate and Gerry McCann’s bedroom around 10am on May 1, 2007.

During an interview four days after Madeleine vanished Mr Ferro blamed gypsies for a spate of thefts in the area but offered no information on how the youngster disappeared. The handyman told officers he saw Roma stealing firewood from one of the resort’s warehouses about four months before the girl’s disappearance.

Mr Moreira, who had been working at the Ocean Club for 20 years when he was interviewed, said he had not noticed anything strange in the days leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance and was at home at the time. Police involved in the initial probe reported at the time: “Nothing relevant or useful for the ongoing investigation came out of the interviews.

“Nothing was obtained from them that permitted us to follow any new line of investigation.”

Madeleine wen missing six years ago [PA]

Most of the staff working at the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared have now moved on. And there is no suggestion the two maintenance workers are in any way connected to Madeleine’s disappearance. The case was reopened earlier last week by ­Portugal’s attorney-general after police in the country unearthed fresh leads. A source close to the case said: “The original inquiry had holes in it. New material relating to what happened before and after Madeleine’s disappearance has been unearthed.

“Connecting that with information in the existing case files has led to more than reasonable suspicions about what happened to Madeleine that night.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 29, 2013, 07:20:16 AM

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 Luis Felipe Monteiro Ferro

Date/Time: 2007/05/07 13H00
Maintenance Worker
Portuguese

Concerning the issue of the process said;
. That he comes to the process as a witness;
. That he is employed in maintenance in the Ocean Club resort since March of 2006;
. That in this resort he is charged with maintaining the pools and all that is related to the lodgings;
. That in the sequence of his functions he circulates the resort, without restrictions, knowing it reasonably well;
. Questioned, states that he is aware of the missing English child whose name is Madeleine, a situation which he became aware of on Friday, the 04 of May, after the notices were released in the media;
. States that on the day of the disappearance of this child he worked at the resort until about 15H30;
. Questioned, the deponent states that in the scope of his functions and the day before the disappearance of the child, he only came into contact with the mother of the same, whose name he does not know;
. This happened on Tuesday, the first of May, in the sequence of a service that he had to carry out in the apartment where this family was staying, also known as Block G5, Letter A;
. This serviced was carried out between 10H00 and 11H00, together with his colleague who is named Mario, and consisted of the repair of a blind in the room of the parents of the minor;
. In this sequence, the deponent and his colleague also taught the mother of the child how to operate the washing machine;
. The woman in question was alone in the apartment;
. The only places of the apartment where the deponent and his colleague entered was the kitchen and the parent's bedroom;
. The deponent states that short of that service does not know of any other work carried out in the apartment since the arrival of that family in the resort and the disappearance of the girl;
. Questioned, the deponent states that days before the disappearance of the little girl, no one spoke to him strangely about the tourists, the children which accompanied them or other facilities of the resort. He also did not hear conversations of this nature with other persons;
. Regarding the presence of people or persons which presented with a strange conduct near the resort, in the past with special attention to the disappearance of the child, the deponent states that he noted nothing abnormal;
. States that only about four months ago he noticed the presence of three gypsies close to a resort warehouse, situated close to the Millenium Restaurant, who were taking existing firewood from there;
. The deponent knows that in that resort zone, as it is a zone of warehouse and also little traffic, it is frequented by individuals of gypsy origin looking for scrap;
. Various robberies have already occurred in this zone and the deponent is of the conviction that the authors of these crimes are individuals of gypsy ethnicity whose identification he does now know;
. Questioned, the deponent states that since the disappearance of the girl Madeleine, until today, he has heard no commentaries that could help clarify the motive for the disappearance, and as this, does not have more information that could help to this end;
.And nothing further was said. She has read the statement, finds it in conformity and signs it;
. The document is duly signed by me...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 29, 2013, 07:22:05 AM
Witness Statement
Mario Domingos Moreira

Date: 2007-05-08

Occupation: Handyman

Place of Work: OC

He has worked at the OC for about 20 years and currently works in the Maintenance Department, he carries out repairs inside the apartments.

He works from 09.00 to 18.00 with a break for lunch at 13.00. He has Sundays and Mondays off.

When asked about the events being investigated he says that he only saw the girl's mother once. This happened during the exercise of his functions, and after instruction from his superiors he went to apartment 5 A.

His services had been requested because the shutters in the bedroom at the back of the apartment, facing the Tapas restaurant were damaged and with the aim of providing the mother with instructions regarding the operation of the washing machine. When asked, he said that the damage to the blinds was centred on the pull-handle, limiting their opening. He says that this kind of damage is quite frequent, given the fact of the need for some initial force to raise the shutter, sometimes associated with a lack of knowledge of the mechanism on the part of some of the tourists, who keep applying force, contrary to what is required, and which results in the violent destruction of the respective handles.

When questioned, he says that he never works alone, he is always part of a team of two. The other individual is his colleague, Luis Ferro, who accompanied him in the execution of the repairs mentioned above.

When asked, he says that he did not notice anything strange in the previous days, either in the apartments he entered or in the surrounding areas that could be connected to the disappearance.

He was at home at the time of the events.

Reads, ratifies, signs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2013, 10:50:59 AM
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/pj-volta-a-procurar-corpo-de-maddie


 PJ searches for Maddie's body again
29 October 2013 | Posted by  Leave a Comment

Judiciary Police tries to find Madeleine's body.
Sniffer dogs had detected 'cadaver scent' in the car rented by Kate and Gerry

Hypothesis of homicide is investigated by the authorities. Follow the investigation with CM.

by Ana Isabel Fonseca/ Tânia Laranjo

The Judiciary Police has already taken steps to try to find Maddie's body, following the reopening of the case. The hypothesis that the British girl was murdered is one of the lines of investigation being followed by the inspectors. The thesis of homicide integrates the framework of a kidnapping for reasons connected to paedophilia.

The CM knows that the Judiciary Police has undertaken several steps in recent days to try to discover Maddie's body, who disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007 from her bedroom at the tourist resort of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Lagos.

The inspectors in charge of the case have for that matter presented evidence supporting this hypothesis to the Public Ministry, who decided, last Thursday, to reopen the investigation.

Shortly after the disappearance of Madeleine, the PJ took steps to try to find the cadaver, but those proved fruitless. Inspectors received at the time several false leads about the possible location of the girl's corpse, who was at the time the crime, three years old.

The Judiciary Police also heard several witnesses and returned to the village of Praia da Luz. There, the inspectors took the opportunity to check the location of mobile phone masts.

in Correio da Manhã, 29 October 2013
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2013, 11:00:14 AM
8(0(*

intresting it seems the PJ   still  dont fully  believe in a abductor do they
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 29, 2013, 11:00:30 AM
Yes - the leaks have started already in Portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 29, 2013, 11:01:02 AM
At least she backed it up with a link.


an untrustworthy link at that ...you stalking me.. 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 29, 2013, 11:06:12 AM
intresting it seems the PJ   still  dont fully  believe in a abductor do they

To be fair, every avenue should be explored. They should be looking at all scenarios. I hope SY take note.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on October 29, 2013, 11:09:01 AM
To be fair, every avenue should be explored. They should be looking at all scenarios. I hope SY take note.

exactly......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 29, 2013, 11:12:29 AM
The initial investigation focussed on the parents, maybe it's time to look for an abductor. Maybe it's time to do as Redwood did and say the parents are not of interest to the inquiry and actually find out what happened to that little girl.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 29, 2013, 11:18:41 AM
To be fair, every avenue should be explored. They should be looking at all scenarios. I hope SY take note.
So do I.
The GNR now has blood and cadaver dogs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 29, 2013, 11:19:05 AM
The initial investigation focussed on the parents, maybe it's time to look for an abductor. Maybe it's time to do as Redwood did and say the parents are not of interest to the inquiry and actually find out what happened to that little girl.

Many have said that the original investigation was rubbish, so surly you must agree that it should all now be looked at again?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 29, 2013, 11:21:21 AM
Many have said that the original investigation was rubbish, so surly you must agree that it should all now be looked at again?

Absolutely all, not simply finger pointing and "The parents did it"

Do you think Redwood's statement that the parents are not persons of interest is based on not looking at them then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on October 29, 2013, 11:23:12 AM
i'll await it from the pj's mouth carly not a tabloid article....we all heard from DCI redwoods mouth live on tv that the mccanns and their friends are NOT SUSPECTS !!

glad to see you can do something else though .....rather than (the parents left their babies alone and the pro's the pro's the pro's ...well done  8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 11:23:21 AM
Yes - the leaks have started already in Portugal

Yes but have they? Or is it CdM rag spreading false information, again, because they can't get any?
CdM is well known for thier porkies, and don't forget what else is going on at the moment, beside the latest good news. It has to be soured at all costs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 29, 2013, 11:28:18 AM
Yes but have they? Or is it CdM rag spreading false information, again, because they can't get any?
CdM is well known for thier porkies, and don't forget what else is going on at the moment, beside the latest good news. It has to be soured at all costs.

well I thought we had gone back to 2007 - people believing anything that suits them, but at the same time denying anything that doesn't suit them - from the same article!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 29, 2013, 11:31:00 AM
"Follow the investigation with CM."

It sounds like they are going to do a running commentary.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 11:40:56 AM
"Follow the investigation with CM."

It sounds like they are going to do a running commentary.

Why? How long have they been on the team?
I doubt there's any selling of leaked information going on this time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 12:40:10 PM
The initial investigation focussed on the parents, maybe it's time to look for an abductor. Maybe it's time to do as Redwood did and say the parents are not of interest to the inquiry and actually find out what happened to that little girl.

Just to remind you that the initial investigation focused uniquely on an abduction until late July when the British suggested that Maddie was no longer alive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 29, 2013, 12:42:33 PM
Just to remind you that the initial investigation focused uniquely on an abduction until late July when the British suggested that Maddie was no longer alive.

Really?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 12:47:39 PM
Really?

Yes, really!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 12:48:46 PM

an untrustworthy link at that ...you stalking me.. 8-)(--)

Despite what you think, Correio da Manhã has always been the best at reporting on the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
Despite what you think, Correio da Manhã has always been the best at reporting on the case.

WHAT! Are you having a larf? reporting most of the misinformation on the case, more like. But back then, Amaral used to write a column in CdM hadn't he?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on October 29, 2013, 01:14:34 PM
WHAT! Are you having a larf? reporting most of the misinformation on the case, more like. But back then, Amaral used to write a column in CdM hadn't he?

No, I'm not having a laugh! This newspaper has very good sources.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
No, I'm not having a laugh! This newspaper has very good sources.

I am. Did have, now they have none, because there's no one to leak to CdM.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on October 29, 2013, 01:20:00 PM
i'll await it from the pj's mouth carly not a tabloid article....we all heard from DCI redwoods mouth live on tv that the mccanns and their friends are NOT SUSPECTS !!

glad to see you can do something else though .....rather than (the parents left their babies alone and the pro's the pro's the pro's ...well done  8@??)(

Now don't go holding your breath, will you? Seems these Oporto PJ, are tight lipped, and can't be bought!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 29, 2013, 11:04:53 PM
Madeline McCann: Breakthrough as police hunt three 'gypsies' seen lurking nearby
27 October 2013 12:00 AM By Patrick Hill
The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched
Priority: Man seen in newly-released e-fits
Police are hunting three men said to be gypsies seen lurking near Madeleine McCann’s holiday apartment before her disappearance, the Sunday People can reveal.

The men were suspected of being behind a string of burglaries around the resort in the weeks leading up to the youngster being snatched .

Police on the re-opened case want to interview janitors who blamed the gypsies for the break-ins.

Officers believe the maintenance men, who fixed a blind in the McCanns’ holiday flat two days before Madeleine went missing in May 2007, are crucial to the case.

Luis Ferro and Mario Moreira were ordered to flat 5A to mend a broken blind in Kate and Gerry’s bedroom at 10am on May 1.

Mr Ferro, quizzed by Portuguese police four days after Madeleine vanished, said gypsies had been ­active in the area at the time.

He mentioned a warehouse near the resort’s Millennium Restaurant where he said the three gypsies had stolen firewood and scrap metal.

The “potentially highly significant” evidence was dismissed as “not relevant or useful” by officers involved in the controversial initial probe – led by disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral.

 
PA
 
But it is now being taken seriously after a four-year-old blonde girl was last week found living with gypsies, who had bought her for just £750 in Greece.

"As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away."


The new probe by Portuguese and British police has boosted the hopes of the missing youngster’s anguished parents Kate and Gerry, both 45.

Police in Portugal have drawn up a list of 41 “people of interest” and e-fit ­pictures have been issued of a man seen carrying a child near the resort after Madeleine was taken.

Aged three, Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, while her ­parents were eating tapas nearby.

They are being kept briefed on developments, but their Portuguese lawyer Rogerio Alves said: “The police asked us not to compromise the investigation and we are obliged to respect the secrecy order.

“It would be a crime for anyone working with full information on the details to talk about it.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, yesterday appealed for people to be “patient” as the new begins.

In a message on their Find Madeleine website, where they have posted a picture of how Maddy would look today aged nine, they asked people to “respect the work of the police as they endeavour to find the answers.”

They added: “We’re very pleased the investigation to find Madeleine has officially been reopened in Portugal.

Anyone with information should contact police, either here in the UK or in Portugal.”

McCanns 'pleased' as probe reopens
Extract:
"As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away."


That is the Carlos Moreira sighting at Samora Correira (east of Lisbon) at 8am the following morning,  With the big green roadside snack bar and the little girl sleeping on a pile of rags in the back of a white van. 

And fits my main theory exactly, timewise and geographical position
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2013, 12:04:45 AM
No, I'm not having a laugh! This newspaper has very good sources.

Yer.  Bent Portuguese coppers.  Where else could they get their information from?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2013, 12:07:33 AM

It does indeed fit your theory, Sadie.  Posted up many moons ago.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 12:16:45 AM
Extract:
"As part of the same line of inquiry, police are also re-examining a suspected sighting of Madeleine the day after she vanished.

The witness reported seeing a girl matching her description laying in the back of a white van driven by two “gypsies” 160 miles away."


That is the Carlos Moreira sighting at Samora Correira (east of Lisbon) at 8am the following morning,  With the big green roadside snack bar and the little girl sleeping on a pile of rags in the back of a white van. 

And fits my main theory exactly, timewise and geographical position

Your  'main theory'  was shot to bits by Andy Redwood  on Crimewatch
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 12:47:49 AM
Yer.  Bent Portuguese coppers.  Where else could they get their information from?

Ain't that the truth. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 01:12:39 AM
Ain't that the truth.

'bent Portuguese coppers'   is a phrase that you endorse   Benice  ? 


...  I didn't expect that from you
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 30, 2013, 01:23:31 AM
Your  'main theory'  was shot to bits by Andy Redwood  on Crimewatch
No sadies theory is NOT my main theory.  You got that wrong.  sadies theory was a bit of thoroughly thought out fun.  It fitted in every detail and might be the case.


But my main theory is what happened after PdL.    This theory fits an A4 thick folder and that went into SY ... and I aint sharing the details here.  But Carlos Moreiras sighting fitted in it.  I personally visited that snack bar and have a mini video, recorded accidentally, of the  snack bar "lady" screaming abuse at me. 


I hope that I have helped, but as always I am prepared to be wrong.  However, like the Mediterranean Island sighting, it fits my main theory perfectly ... and I cant help feeling excited.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 01:30:21 AM
No sadies theory is NOT my main theory.  You got that wrong.  sadies theory was a bit of thoroughly thought out fun.   




You've  been   having  FUN  with your theories about this missing child  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 30, 2013, 01:38:35 AM
No sadies theory is NOT my main theory.  You got that wrong.  sadies theory was a bit of thoroughly thought out fun.  It fitted in every detail and might be the case.


But my main theory is what happened after PdL.    This theory fits an A4 thick folder and that went into SY ... and I aint sharing the details here.  But Carlos Moreiras sighting fitted in it.  I personally visited that snack bar and have a mini video, recorded accidentally, of the  snack bar "lady" screaming abuse at me. 


I hope that I have helped, but as always I am prepared to be wrong.  However, like the Mediterranean Island sighting, it fits my main theory perfectly ... and I cant help feeling excited.

It would be great to hear it!

My theory is that it is an inside job.. i.e that there is a person who worked in OC who knows exactly what happened.
I wish they find that person..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 30, 2013, 01:55:56 AM
You've  been   having  FUN  with your theories about this missing child  ?
It was fun working it out.  Just like doing a big puzzle.  You should try logic Icabod.  You might find it very gratifying when things fit into place.

And it is quite possibly still correct, in part or in total.  I have said all thru that it is only a theory but everything fits.

Your turn to produce a theory that fits in every detail.

Come on,  I challenge you. 

"The sadie / Icabod Challenge !" ... drum roll
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 02:30:14 AM
It was fun working it out.  Just like doing a big puzzle.  You should try logic Icabod.  You might find it very gratifying when things fit into place.

And it is quite possibly still correct, in part or in total.  I have said all thru that it is only a theory but everything fits.

Your turn to produce a theory that fits in every detail.

Come on,  I challenge you. 

"The sadie / Icabod Challenge !" ... drum roll

Silence the drums  ...  I wouldn't dream of it

We could,  ALL  of us,  sit here and come up with a fairy story that  'fits'

Don't you understand that even those who encourage you know,  deep down,  that they shouldn't  ?

Even now, when Scotland Yard have said otherwise,  you persist with your nonsense   'theory'  ... it's time to take a step away  ...  get back to your own life

I say that sincerely  sadie ... and it's  meant more kindly than  any of the  'pat on the head'  rubbish you get from the  'pro's'  you so admire

You won't see that though,  will you  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on October 30, 2013, 03:23:11 AM
Silence the drums  ...  I wouldn't dream of it

We could,  ALL  of us,  sit here and come up with a fairy story that  'fits'

Don't you understand that even those who encourage you know,  deep down,  that they shouldn't  ?

Even now, when Scotland Yard have said otherwise,  you persist with your nonsense   'theory'  ... it's time to take a step away  ...  get back to your own life

I say that sincerely  sadie ... and it's  meant more kindly than  any of the  'pat on the head'  rubbish you get from the  'pro's'  you so admire

You won't see that though,  will you  ?

My dear icabod, I am a great admirer of your meaningful and insightful posts, as you probably know, but I do have to correct you on one tiny aspect of the above.

If I, as a so-called 'pro' (though not one who is afraid to question the McCanns if I believe they are not acting in their own and their daughter's best interests), happen to be in agreement with sadie or anyone else on a certain point, it is not a matter of 'patting on the head'. We are all independent enough thinkers on this forum, and confident enough in the business of challenging each other, that such a concept is irrelevant here.

Advancing a theory - with the caveat that all or part of it could be proven wrong - is a crucial part of the investigative process, be that in crime, science, philosophy, or any serious endeavour. A person knows when they advance a theory that there's a good chance it could emerge weatherbeaten after submission to the rigours of inquiry and debate, and that that is the very mechanism for moving things forward.

It takes a great deal of courage to put ideas out there, especially in this case, because to this day nobody knows what has happened to Madeleine. It is an inevitability that many if not most of us on this forum will be proven very wrong in much of what we have postulated and said.

Better to advance a theory and hold it up to the ravages of the various tempests that afflict it in the name of progress, than sit safely in one's armchair saying less for fear of making a mistake.

Not that I'm accusing you of that, icabod.

Just a brief defence of us 'theorists'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 30, 2013, 04:27:33 AM
My dear icabod, I am a great admirer of your meaningful and insightful posts, as you probably know, but I do have to correct you on one tiny aspect of the above.

If I, as a so-called 'pro' (though not one who is afraid to question the McCanns if I believe they are not acting in their own and their daughter's best interests), happen to be in agreement with sadie or anyone else on a certain point, it is not a matter of 'patting on the head'. We are all independent enough thinkers on this forum, and confident enough in the business of challenging each other, that such a concept is irrelevant here.

Advancing a theory - with the caveat that all or part of it could be proven wrong - is a crucial part of the investigative process, be that in crime, science, philosophy, or any serious endeavour. A person knows when they advance a theory that there's a good chance it could emerge weatherbeaten after submission to the rigours of inquiry and debate, and that that is the very mechanism for moving things forward.

It takes a great deal of courage to put ideas out there, especially in this case, because to this day nobody knows what has happened to Madeleine. It is an inevitability that many if not most of us on this forum will be proven very wrong in much of what we have postulated and said.

Better to advance a theory and hold it up to the ravages of the various tempests that afflict it in the name of progress, than sit safely in one's armchair saying less for fear of making a mistake.

Not that I'm accusing you of that, icabod.

Just a brief defence of us 'theorists'.

hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasty world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on October 30, 2013, 04:49:12 AM
hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasty world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do

I'm sure it doesn't...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 07:54:15 AM
oh my word! This is a missing child we are talking about here and you use words like "fun" and "exciting" when you explain your investigations. Seriously? I can't think what is fun or exciting about any of it.

On a secondary note, could you explain what makes you qualified to provide SY with your A4 folder of information. Are you a member of a police force, private eye etc, or are you, like the rest of us, just have an interest in the case? Because if it's the latter, as I suspect, then I'm sure SY and the PJ have plenty of people much more qualified than any of us to investigate and come up with their own theories of what happened. Providing them with your own theories just seems a bit OTT in my opinion. And in all honesty, I think dealing with paper work from uninvolved members of the public is taking staff from duties they would much better spend their time with.

Yes OpenMinded, well said.

In the end we are observers and have our opinions on the case. but no more.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 08:48:37 AM
hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasty world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do

What a spiteful attack on a forum member who has done a huge amount of proper research into this case, has provided us with photographs and has actually been to the site - which in itself is an advantage over those of us who haven't.   

Sadie believes the same as SY - i.e. that Madeleine was the victim of stranger abduction.   Are SY in a fantasy world too?

Just like yourself Sadie is entitled to express her opinion on here.   

As far as I am concerned those who believe that the McCanns, aided and abetted by 7 people, some of whom they hardly knew, disposed of a dead child's body -  and then all carried on as normal  - enjoying their holiday -  as if what had happened was no more than the tiniest blip in proceedings, are quite few paces closer to a fantasy world than anyone else.   


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 30, 2013, 08:56:22 AM
What a spiteful attack on a forum member who has done a huge amount of proper research into this case, has provided us with photographs and has actually been to the site - which in itself is an advantage over those of us who haven't.   

Sadie believes the same as SY - i.e. that Madeleine was the victim of stranger abduction.   Are SY in a fantasy world too?

Just like yourself Sadie is entitled to express her opinion on here.   

As far as I am concerned those who believe that the McCanns, aided and abetted by 7 people, some of whom they hardly knew, disposed of a dead child's body -  and then all carried on as normal  - enjoying their holiday -  as if what had happened was no more than the tiniest blip in proceedings, are quite few paces closer to a fantasy world than anyone else.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 09:17:01 AM
8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

Isn't this rank hypocrisy when Mccann supporters criticize and ridicule other theories about the Mccanns having hidden the truth of what happened to Madeleine, but don't like it when one's such as Sadie's are pulled apart ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 30, 2013, 09:25:15 AM
Isn't this rank hypocrisy when Mccann supporters criticize and ridicule other theories about the Mccanns having hidden the truth of what happened to Madeleine, but don't like it when one's such as Sadie's are pulled apart ?

No, I personally don't like it when Sadie is bullied, yet again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 09:28:36 AM
No, I personally don't like it when Sadie is bullied, yet again.


If you have been observant, 'bullying' as you call it has been present from both sides.

Also, I notice you didn't comment on the FACT, that alternative theories about the mccanns are targeted with abuse. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 30, 2013, 09:31:33 AM

If you have been observant, 'bullying' as you call it has been present from both sides.

Also, I notice you didn't comment on the FACT, that alternative theories about the mccanns are targeted with abuse. >@@(*&)

Why would I comment on that? I have no interest in them. The only "theory" I am interested in is the official police one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 09:41:40 AM

If you have been observant, 'bullying' as you call it has been present from both sides.

Also, I notice you didn't comment on the FACT, that alternative theories about the mccanns are targeted with abuse. >@@(*&)

What alternative theories?   - please point to just one that is credible but which IYO has been targetted with abuse.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 09:48:10 AM
What alternative theories?   - please point to just one that is credible but which IYO has been targetted with abuse.

You are well aware of the main alternative theory, so don't play games.

As to the abuse it has produced, well you know exactly where that originates.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 10:03:26 AM
You are well aware of the main alternative theory, so don't play games.

As to the abuse it has produced, well you know exactly where that originates.

I can truthfully say I have never read a single credible alternative theory to abduction.  And IMO if one existed you would be spamming the board with it on a daily basis.    Your reluctance to divulge what exactly this theory is and provide proof of its credibility  - says it all IMO.

I can also assure you I have no idea what you mean by ''you know exactly where that (abuse) originates'  Please clarify.









Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 30, 2013, 10:05:19 AM
hmm  ... all that smart arse stuff goes right over my head

...  and I  maintain that encouraging a forum member to lose themselves in a fantasy world  is  unkind ...  I say that from the safety  of my armchair ,  as most of us  do
I share with SH admiration for the finesse of Icabodcrane's posts, but I share with Icabodcrane the opinion that feeding illusory worlds isn't fair. If fantasy doesn't at least entertain like in Enid Blyton novels, it can't but frustrate either its builder and its public as it offers no challenge to what in ourselves needs to understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 10:08:05 AM
I can truthfully say I have never read a single credible alternative theory to abduction.  And IMO if one existed you would be spamming the board with it on a daily basis.    Your reluctance to divulge what exactly this theory is and provide proof of its credibility  - says it all IMO.

I can also assure you I have no idea what you mean by ''you know exactly where that (abuse) originates'  Please clarify.

Merely because you don't accept other theories does not make you right. That is your opinion and no more.

Besides you can no more prove abduction than I can prove Madeleine had an accident in the apartment.

In the former, no proof at all, in the latter the forensics were inconclusive.

As to your latter sentence, you are not that naive.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 10:11:11 AM
" Madeleine had an accident in the apartment"

Is that the main alternative theory?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 30, 2013, 10:12:08 AM
" Madeleine had an accident in the apartment"

Is that the main alternative theory?

What do you think are the others ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 10:15:30 AM
What do you think are the others ?

I only saw one - it was deleted in a matter of minutes.

If you know of any others please feel free to inform the forum.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on October 30, 2013, 10:24:35 AM
Merely because you don't accept other theories does not make you right. That is your opinion and no more.

Besides you can no more prove abduction than I can prove Madeleine had an accident in the apartment.

In the former, no proof at all, in the latter the forensics were inconclusive.

As to your latter sentence, you are not that naive.

SY say you are wrong  - and if it's a choice between their expertise and knowledge of the case and yours - then its no contest imo.

Naive or not -  I still have no idea what you mean when you say:-

''As to the abuse it has produced, well you know exactly where that originates.''

Please clarify.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 30, 2013, 10:28:21 AM
I can truthfully say I have never read a single credible alternative theory to abduction.  And IMO if one existed you would be spamming the board with it on a daily basis.    Your reluctance to divulge what exactly this theory is and provide proof of its credibility  - says it all IMO.

I can also assure you I have no idea what you mean by ''you know exactly where that (abuse) originates'  Please clarify.
Credible alternative theories to the abduction one exist, but can hardly be expressed plainly, unless the author is potentially suicidal or writes a fiction, changing protagonists, places, names and circumstances for protection reason. It has already be done, offering an interesting narrative, possibly illuminating mutatis mutandis the McCann case (the abduction's default is the lack of narrative), but was precisely too much fictionalised to captivate readers. Carter Ruck rightly found it useless to react.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 10:32:06 AM
I agree it would be very difficult to propose a theory on an open forum that involves the Mccanns in any way, as there is no evidence (at present) that would support that theory. Hence the risk of libel.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on October 30, 2013, 10:36:05 AM
I agree it would be very difficult to propose a theory on an open forum that involves the Mccanns in any way, as there is no evidence (at present) that would support that theory. Hence the risk of libel.

Plenty exists a posteriori.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 30, 2013, 10:43:01 AM
Actually the more i read about it, and some stuff lately coming forward as old news I think it was the maintenance man.

When someone tries to point towards someone else it is usually a lie...he tried to point to gypsies.....

I have always thought the child knew the person, died in the apartment, and that is why the dogs scented there...He would easily be able to get out the front door and I have always thought who ever killed her used the empty apartment above to hide her body. The dogs indicated outside that apartment and he would have access to a key.

He would also know where to hide her body.

What was bugging me was how could someone get in the front door or out, but if they had a copy of that key which was an unusual key, he could easily go in to burgle perhaps, and the child woke up and he over reacted......

He knew the ritual of the family and how often they would check them.

Yes it makes sense. The only thing that bugged me was JT sighting, and also GM saying he saw her at 9.10. I am not sure I believe that. I wonder if he just listened at door, then saw his friend and decided to chat to him instead.

Probably way off base lol...but its the pointing elsewhere that gets me everytime. Especially pointing at Romas all the time.

I hope finally we get resolution for the child. It just all makes sense to me now.

I think the dogs were right, and that he touched stuff like the toy, and went into wardrobes looking for stuff etc and all this was transference....so the McCanns carried the scent with them.

I believe he went in with a bag to carry stuff (they must have had laptops etc), and used it to take the child instead.

Is that a good enough theory for anyone?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on October 30, 2013, 12:25:48 PM
I share with SH admiration for the finesse of Icabodcrane's posts, but I share with Icabodcrane the opinion that feeding illusory worlds isn't fair. If fantasy doesn't at least entertain like in Enid Blyton novels, it can't but frustrate either its builder and its public as it offers no challenge to what in ourselves needs to understand.

There is a distinction between sheer fantasy and building a hypothesis.

A hypothesis has to be built on something concrete. It involves conjecture, but it also involves facts.

There are people on this forum who have hypotheses as to what may have happened. They may be incorrect, but they are not baseless.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on October 30, 2013, 12:54:54 PM
Madeleine McCann police sift 4,000 calls following TV appeal
Leicester Mercury

Oct 30, 2013 7:03AM
 
Madeleine McCann
Detectives are continuing to examine information after receiving 4,000 calls about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Metropolitan Police officers are poring over possible leads and sightings following appeals on Crimewatch and German and Dutch TV programmes two weeks ago.

A Met Police spokesman said they had received 3,000 calls and e-mails after the British show, 500 calls following the German TV broadcast and 350 after it was shown in the Netherlands.

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Portuguese police have since reopened their investigation after the Portugal Policia Judiciaria asked the government for permission to have another look into the case, as witnesses who were not questioned in the initial investigation had been identified.

Portuguese police had shelved their initial investigation in 2008, the year after Madeleine vanished.

Crimewatch aired a reconstruction of the night Madeleine went missing. New e-fits of men seen nearby on the night were released.

The BBC show also revealed a former prime suspect – a man who seen carrying a girl in pyjamas at 9.15pm on the night Madeleine disappeared – was an innocent British tourist.

Madeleine's parents, Gerry and Kate, said: "We urge anyone who may have information relating to Madeleine's abduction to contact police."

Madeleine, of Rothley, was three when she went missing from her family's holiday flat in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007.

Anyone with any information should contact Met Police by calling 0207 321 9251 or by e-mailing:

Operation.Grange@ met.pnn.police.uk

Report
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 01:03:28 PM
Kazcutt, how shocking - you pointed out something completely logical and bleeding obvious.

but this is the PJ part of the review and it was stated to be different to SY investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 30, 2013, 01:07:34 PM
Kazcutt, how shocking - you pointed out something completely logical and bleeding obvious.

Sadly this doesn't appear to have occurred to Goncalo Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 30, 2013, 01:23:04 PM
"What about pings 8.30pm-10pm on May 3rd. Have you investigated these?"

No need as Madeleine was in Praia da Luz at that time. When she could've left in the rental car is what I'm investigating and no doubt what the police are also doing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 30, 2013, 01:24:55 PM
"What about pings 8.30pm-10pm on May 3rd. Have you investigated these?"

No need as Madeleine was in Praia da Luz at that time. When she could've left is what I'm investigating and what the police are also doing no doubt.

yes but what if a suspicious phone was activated in PDL around that time?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 31, 2013, 08:14:03 AM
how long does one have to wait for a approval of a thread ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on October 31, 2013, 11:11:04 AM
how long does one have to wait for a approval of a thread ?

Do you think admin can be available every minute 24/7 ?    If you need to blame anyone blame the muppets whose actions created the need to have new threads pre-authorised in the first place.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 31, 2013, 11:19:54 AM
Do you think admin can be available every minute 24/7 ?    If you need to blame anyone blame the muppets whose actions created the need to have new threads pre-authorised in the first place.

TOUCHY!! who rattled your cage..i was only asking.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on October 31, 2013, 12:10:38 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on October 31, 2013, 01:55:21 PM
The reason the abduction theory does not make much sense is that the McCanns did not believe it was  something that would happen. In interviews they have said things like 'it's so rare', 'it was the last thing on our minds'.

They did not consider abduction as a risk factor when they left the children in the apartment and every now and then listened outside for the sound of crying (which is what the nannies used to do in some resorts when parents ate their dinner - they would listen outside the bedroom doors of the sleeping children.) The reason for their listening outside was to hear if any of the children were crying.

Given that abduction by a stranger was something they considered to be very unlikely, why would it be the fist conclusion that they would jump to when Madeleine went missing?

There are a score of other things that could have happened. She could have been hiding somewhere in the apartment (for instance she woke up and was scared and hid somewhere). She could have sleep walked either to a hidden corner in the apartment or indeed somewhere outside the apartment. She could have gone off to try to find her parents - to the creche, to the restaurant and so on.

She could have tried to get to one of the other apartments where the McCann friends' children were asleep - in other words trying to find one of her friends.  Someone could have heard her crying, or heard an accident and gone into the apartment to comfort her. If there had been an accident while the children were unattended someone could have taken the child to the creche or to get medical help. A nanny could have gone in, heard her in distress and taken her out to find her parents or to the creche.

She could have wandered around the resort and got lost, or wandered out of the resort. A kindly person could have found her and taken her somewhere to try to locate her parents/the police.

And so on and so on.

But no - the parents who did not believe that their children were at risk from abduction by a stranger were practically from the outset convinced that their child had been abducted - and abducted by someone working as part of a paedophile gang.

That to me does not make sense.

And as I have repeatedly stated, the last people who saw Madeleine are crucial to any investigation into a missing child.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 02:07:57 PM
The reason the abduction theory does not make much sense is that the McCanns did not believe it was  something that would happen. In interviews they have said things like 'it's so rare', 'it was the last thing on our minds'.

They did not consider abduction as a risk factor when they left the children in the apartment and every now and then listened outside for the sound of crying (which is what the nannies used to do in some resorts when parents ate their dinner - they would listen outside the bedroom doors of the sleeping children.) The reason for their listening outside was to hear if any of the children were crying.

Given that abduction by a stranger was something they considered to be very unlikely, why would it be the fist conclusion that they would jump to when Madeleine went missing?

There are a score of other things that could have happened. She could have been hiding somewhere in the apartment (for instance she woke up and was scared and hid somewhere). She could have sleep walked either to a hidden corner in the apartment or indeed somewhere outside the apartment. She could have gone off to try to find her parents - to the creche, to the restaurant and so on.

She could have tried to get to one of the other apartments where the McCann friends' children were asleep - in other words trying to find one of her friends.  Someone could have heard her crying, or heard an accident and gone into the apartment to comfort her. If there had been an accident while the children were unattended someone could have taken the child to the creche or to get medical help. A nanny could have gone in, heard her in distress and taken her out to find her parents or to the creche.

She could have wandered around the resort and got lost, or wandered out of the resort. A kindly person could have found her and taken her somewhere to try to locate her parents/the police.

And so on and so on.

But no - the parents who did not believe that their children were at risk from abduction by a stranger were practically from the outset convinced that their child had been abducted - and abducted by someone working as part of a paedophile gang.

That to me does not make sense.

And as I have repeatedly stated, the last people who saw Madeleine are crucial to any investigation into a missing child.



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id301.html

Reporter:

 "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann:

 "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

"I knew immediately she'd been taken."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:32:19 PM
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id301.html

Reporter:

 "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann:

 "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

"I knew immediately she'd been taken."
Yep, she knew that Madeleine would not have known how to open the window, that she would not have had the ability to do so, that she could not have climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side. thatt there wre no footprints on the bed under the window



.... and that she had left her beloved Cuddlecat.


Of course Kate knew.  She aint daft !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on October 31, 2013, 02:34:13 PM
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id301.html

Reporter:

 "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann:

 "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

"I knew immediately she'd been taken."

Hmm,  it was always the way whilst  the cloak of 'secrecy laws'  was wrapped round them

Lot's of hints and innuendo about what they  'knew'  but just weren't allowed to tell us

Turned out there was nothing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:42:43 PM
Hmm,  it was always the way whilst  the cloak of 'secrecy laws'  was wrapped round them

Lot's of hints and innuendo about what they  'knew'  but just weren't allowed to tell us

Turned out there was nothing
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on October 31, 2013, 02:44:29 PM
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

Bizarre that that information was covered by judicial secrecy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:44:50 PM
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

'beloved cuddlecat.'

How long had Madeleine had one of these for ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 02:48:19 PM
Kate knew alright.

Yep, she knew that Madeleine would/ could not have
1)  known how to open the window,
2)  had the ability to do so,
3)  climbed out without scraping herself in the fall on the other side.
Also that there were no footprints on the bed under the window. nor fibres, nor marks on the wondow or sill



.... and that she would not have left her beloved Cuddlecat.

They knew alright.  Sadly

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0

SO protests’ arguing the issue is to consider the conclusions. He asks about the "death" theory.

MF says it is more likely that the child died. And he adds it is impossible that someone passed through the window with a child. He says the abduction theory then doesn't make sense. He observes that there are many possibilities, it's perfectly admissible for instance that the child went out to search for her parents. If the child died, it could have been outside of the flat or in the flat. But, he says, the disappearance never could have happened through the window, he insists that it is essential to understand that it is technically, humanly, impossible. The witness concludes affirming that all the hypotheses are possible, except for the abduction “through that window”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:48:54 PM
'beloved cuddlecat.'

How long had Madeleine had one of these for ?
Long enough for her to love it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:51:26 PM
Long enough for her to love it.

How  long ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 31, 2013, 02:51:47 PM
'beloved cuddlecat.'

How long had Madeleine had one of these for ?

Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:54:41 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0

SO protests’ arguing the issue is to consider the conclusions. He asks about the "death" theory.

MF says it is more likely that the child died. And he adds it is impossible that someone passed through the window with a child. He says the abduction theory then doesn't make sense. He observes that there are many possibilities, it's perfectly admissible for instance that the child went out to search for her parents. If the child died, it could have been outside of the flat or in the flat. But, he says, the disappearance never could have happened through the window, he insists that it is essential to understand that it is technically, humanly, impossible. The witness concludes affirming that all the hypotheses are possible, except for the abduction “through that window”.
Whose MF when he is at home?.

Moita Flores .... Just a writer and self publicist, ex PJ.

Who is he to take complete notice of?  And he is totally biased


He doesn't even have the wit to consider that the front door, THE HIDDEN FRONT DOOR IN COMPLETE DARKNESS, could and probably was used
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....

I agree, just a prop.

No more.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on October 31, 2013, 02:55:59 PM
Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....

do you have link please..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 02:56:39 PM
Whose MF when he is at home?.

Moita Flores .... Just a writer and self publicist, ex PJ.

Who is he to take complete notice of?  And he is totally biased


He doesn't even have the wit to consider that the front door, THE HIDDEN FRONT DOOR IN COMPLETE DARKNESS, could and probably was used

'And he is totally biased'

and you are exactly the same.

You have claimed to stand next to gm ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
Now there hangs a tail. I read that it was the uncle who bought 2 for the twins.

Would make sense.

I have seen a photo of maddy with her precious and favorite toy and it was a brown bear, she was actually riding piggy back on her dads back and cuddling it and it stated it was her FAVORITE TOY.

I also found several photos of the girl twin with a pink toy the same as cuddle cat. Now did Maddy take one of the toys of the other twin (jealous)...it does happen.

There is a photo of Mrs McCann on her way to Rome and she is holding the toy, and Amelie is stretching outwards trying to grab it back off her.......................

I am or never was convinced it was Maddys favorite toy.....I think it was a very convenient prop.....

Photos please colombossttogey
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 31, 2013, 03:25:27 PM
For God's sake - what is going on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 03:30:24 PM
Photos please colombossttogey
I need those photos IMPO, because I want to see the ages of the children at the time, so that we can assess just how long before PdL Madeleine was waving the brown bear.  Cos it might be ages before.

And in any case some kids love more than one toy, but have one especially for when they are tired out at bedtime.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 03:34:46 PM
'And he is totally biased'

and you are exactly the same.

You have claimed to stand next to gm ?
No, I am not, but I cannot stand lies and peeps putting the boot in.  I believe in Innocent unless proven guilty.  You provide something to make me change my mind and I will consider it.

Also I believe I know who was behind these abductions and where Madeleine was taken.



Yes I have briefly talked with him on a one to one basis.  I have stood right next to him.  OK ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 31, 2013, 03:40:05 PM
No, I am not, but I cannot stand lies and peeps putting the boot in.  I believe in Innocent unless proven guilty.  You provide something to make me change my mind and I will consider it.

Also I believe I know who was behind these abductions and where Madeleine was taken.



Yes I have briefly talked with him on a one to one basis.  I have stood right next to him.  OK ?


Of course you are biased.

A belief isn't necessarily the truth.

Have the police acted upon your information ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on October 31, 2013, 03:56:47 PM
Photos please colombossttogey

I will try and find them again it was long time ago. I did have loads of stuff on bookmarks but that was on an old laptop.

Let me do some digging. I tell you what it was around the same time there was a photo of her and a pony.

I must admit it was a lovely photo of her with her daddy. Really sweet. But really did have a brown bear and she wasnt that young either....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jazzy on October 31, 2013, 03:59:06 PM
I will try and find them again it was long time ago. I did have loads of stuff on bookmarks but that was on an old laptop.

Let me do some digging. I tell you what it was around the same time there was a photo of her and a pony.

I must admit it was a lovely photo of her with her daddy. Really sweet. But really did have a brown bear and she wasnt that young either....

Yes, lots of nice photos of her and her family, they show a happy little girl with a loving home, don't they?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on October 31, 2013, 04:01:42 PM
The mind boggles about what some people have saved to their computers - and more importantly - the reason for it!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 31, 2013, 04:13:03 PM
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2765.0

SO protests’ arguing the issue is to consider the conclusions. He asks about the "death" theory.

MF says it is more likely that the child died. And he adds it is impossible that someone passed through the window with a child. He says the abduction theory then doesn't make sense. He observes that there are many possibilities, it's perfectly admissible for instance that the child went out to search for her parents. If the child died, it could have been outside of the flat or in the flat. But, he says, the disappearance never could have happened through the window, he insists that it is essential to understand that it is technically, humanly, impossible. The witness concludes affirming that all the hypotheses are possible, except for the abduction “through that window”.

A PJ Officer managed to get in and out of that window.  But there is also a door, in case you hadn't noticed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 31, 2013, 04:20:04 PM
A PJ Officer managed to get in and out of that window.  But there is also a door, in case you hadn't noticed.

Carrying a sleeping child?

No of course there were 2 abductors

Which ones were they then bundleman & a spice girl.?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on October 31, 2013, 04:28:02 PM


But no - the parents who did not believe that their children were at risk from abduction by a stranger were practically from the outset convinced that their child had been abducted - and abducted by someone working as part of a paedophile gang.

That to me does not make sense.

And as I have repeatedly stated, the last people who saw Madeleine are crucial to any investigation into a missing child.
This is why they invented the forced shutters/window narrative that evidently no friend, no relative would doubt. Once the idea of abduction was in all minds, spread by the media in a nutshell, the issue was just to stick to it. The risk was null as long as they'd grasp the abduction life buoy, repeating that Madeleine was missing. There was no evidence of it, but there was no evidence of anything else as well.
Who is the last to have seen Madeleine ? It's Mr Payne who later made two different statements (and didn't mention any seeing Madeleine this day in his 4th of May statement).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 31, 2013, 04:32:12 PM

Of course you are biased.

A belief isn't necessarily the truth.

Have the police acted upon your information ?
Well they listened to me at sargeant level.

The last thing I would expect is to get a running commentary from them.  I prefer the British "keep the investigation quiet" approach to the "leak it all out" approach tbh


But certain things are possibly confirming my investiagtion and thoughts now.

Stephen , I always know I can be wrong and am continually honing my thoughts, but I worked in a most serious manner on this over 5 long years and to a much lesser extent am still.

If I am wrong then i shall always know that i gave it my best .... but having said that I really think that much that I have discoverd is correct .... and I hope that I have helped in the search for Madeleine and 6 other missing PT children.

You see there were a large number of little clusters of info that had fitted together .... and suddenly these little clusters themselves fitted together to make a big picture, just like a massive jigsaw.  It was very exciting and i knew it was my duty to pass it on to SY




Since then I have found a very unusual and unlikely source that confirms my findings, altho not in the fine detail that I have discovered.


I tell you something,
...  if I am correct and if it all comes out, then even without the Madeleine component it will send much bigger waves ariound the world than the Jimmy Savile case did.  Some huge names seem to be involved.


Trouble is that some peeps/organisations are probably so powerful that they are untouchable.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 03:59:00 PM
Madeleine McCann chief suspect 'was a thief who should have been deported from Portugal'
1 Nov 2013 08:37
The 40-year-old had been working at the Ocean Club holiday complex in Praia de Luz, where the McCanns were staying when Maddie disappeared

 
Still missing: Madeleine McCann
PA
A chief suspect in the Madeleine McCann case should have been deported for another crime before her disappearance, it is claimed.

Instead, the man is said to have received a presidential pardon after he was convicted of theft.

Reports in Portugal told how the suspect, who has since been killed at the age of 40 in a tractor accident, was an immigrant from Cape Verde who faced being kicked out following his conviction.

But he was spared being returned home in 1996 after a pardon by Portugal's then president Jorge Sampaio.

The man, a former worker at the Praia da Luz holiday hotel complex from which the three-year-old British girl disappeared six years ago, died in 2009. Detectives fear that he took the secret of what happened to Madeleine to his grave.

They believe that he may have snatched her in a revenge bid against the Ocean Club resort after being sacked. A newspaper in Portugal claims that officers from the Policia Judiciaria have quizzed his wife.

A relative told Correio de Manha: "They are looking for a suspect who can't defend himself. People's lives can't be exposed this way."

Police reportedly identified him as their main suspect by tracing his phone after finding he was around the McCanns' holiday apartment when Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.


Hopes: Kate and Gerry McCann with age progressed Maddie picture
Getty
The man was living 15 miles away in the town of Lagos at the time of her abduction.

He was not on the list of employees handed over to police by Ocean Club bosses because he had already been sacked.

The newspaper report claims Portuguese detectives fear he killed Maddie and are now searching for her body.

A source told the paper the police think he may have murdered her to "shut her up" after the case attracted huge media interest. Portugal's Attorney General gave the go-ahead for the inquiry to be reopened last week at the request of the nation's police force.

The original case - which saw detectives name parents Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, as formal suspects - was shelved in 2008. Last week the Portuguese police said they no longer regarded the couple as suspects, or arguidos.

It emerged over the weekend that police were planning to re-interview several Ocean Club employees. More than 130 workers - many British - were questioned during the initial inquiry. They included two maintenance men who fixed a blind in the McCanns' apartment two days before Maddie vanished as her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant.

The couple's TV appearance on Crimewatch last month produced an "overwhelming response", says Scotland Yard. More than 1,000 people contacted the force with information on the disappearance.

And at least two callers gave the same name for a man in a new e-fit picture.

The senior investigating officer, Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, said he was "extremely pleased" with the response.

The review by Portuguese police that saw the case reopened has led to the identification of new clues, which Scotland Yard stressed were "separate" from work already completed by British detectives.

Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley called it a "significant point" in the hunt for Maddie.

He revealed that Kate and Gerry were briefed on new developments in Lisbon and added: "The new momentum is encouraging but we still have a way to go."



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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 04:09:08 PM
the pj is getting desperate trying to pin a childs abduction on a dead man that cant speak for himself ...perhaps they also desperate to solve this to get rid of sy out of there .. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:30:39 PM
No body is trying to pin anything on anyone. They are investigating a lead. I assume you want all leads investigated.

how would you know what the pj are doing or not doing ? ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 05:33:45 PM
why are there 2 threads discussing the same topic?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2850.msg98842#new
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:41:18 PM
why are there 2 threads discussing the same topic?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2850.msg98842#new

Just to get on your nerves maybe (admin don't mind so why would you ?
And tomorrow there may be another news to post .easier to find the news in one place ?????
Why worry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:42:29 PM
that will be because kazcutt posted the latest news on the tractor man ...in the latest news thread ...ask her anyway
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 05:42:52 PM
Just to get on your nerves maybe (admin don't mind so why would you ?
And tomorrow there may be another news to post .easier to find the news in one place ?????
Why worry

fair enough - noted

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:44:52 PM
was you go answered easy as that ...... 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:47:52 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 05:50:19 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm

if it was just a news and no comment thread fine - but it generates the same discussion on two different threads.

I hope you understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 05:52:18 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm

this ones not complaining I stuck up for you with an explaination ....latest news etc ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 01, 2013, 05:53:35 PM
Sorry if it offends anyone .i just thought its good to keep the news together plus it's good to keep up with latest news .

Nothing going on anyway atm

Actually I agree with you....like other forums have a press section for reference, its handy to have a thread to post the latest articles...sometimes people dont look for a whole day or two....this will get filled in with comments in between though, but not a big problem or anything and if any story has any weight a new thread will commence on it Im sure....



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:56:53 PM
this ones not complaining I stuck up for you with an explaination ....latest news etc ....

 8)--)) I know

It's hard work in here .your not allowed to say anything negative about anyone but mccanns ,so I like to just stay in the latest news .

It will be someone else soon enough and tractor man will filed for future rows no doubt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 05:58:35 PM
Actually I agree with you....like other forums have a press section for reference, its handy to have a thread to post the latest articles...sometimes people dont look for a whole day or two....this will get filled in with comments in between though, but not a big problem or anything and if any story has any weight a new thread will commence on it Im sure....

 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 01, 2013, 06:02:23 PM
8)--)) I know

It's hard work in here .your not allowed to say anything negative about anyone but mccanns ,so I like to just stay in the latest news .

It will be someone else soon enough and tractor man will filed for future rows no doubt

oh so you have noticed aswell .....yes the tractor man will be added to the gallery of suspects and brought up at a later date saying this man was innocent ....there should be a rolls eyes smiley on here ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 07:02:08 PM
8@??)(

how quickly friendships can end on here.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 01, 2013, 07:29:13 PM
how quickly friendships can end on here.

Off topic


LOL
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 01, 2013, 07:30:18 PM
Off topic


LOL

true, hangs head in shame
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 01, 2013, 07:32:54 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 01, 2013, 07:36:08 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided

look forward to your figures.........later.....


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 01, 2013, 07:36:41 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1275.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 01, 2013, 07:44:27 PM
I wasn't here to make friends ,I was interested in Madeleine case years ago and ended up here from google

(I still haven't worked out where I am it's very anti .very one sided

Interesting that you should say that, as I feel its quite evenly balanced, though some of the 'pros'  are much more vehement and aggressive  in their posting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 01, 2013, 08:35:39 PM
Interesting that you should say that, as I feel its quite evenly balanced, though some of the 'pros'  are much more vehement and aggressive  in their posting.
It's what I miss more, the challenge of posters firmly and casually adopting different perspectives.
Hostile posts make logically, and reasonably, posters jump over them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 06:44:00 AM
Madeleine McCann key suspect was heroin addict who burgled holiday flats to get fix
02 November 2013 12:00 AM By David Collins
Euclides Monteiro, who died aged 40 in a tractor accident four years ago, was a restaurant worker at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz
Revenge theory: Madeleine McCann
A key suspect in the Madeleine McCann investigation was a heroin addict who used to rob holiday apartments to fund his habit, it was claimed last night.

Euclides Monteiro, who died aged 40 in a tractor accident four years ago, was a restaurant worker at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz where Madeleine was snatched just before her fourth birthday in May 2007.

It is believed he may have been raiding rooms on the complex for drug money before he was finally sacked in 2006 for stealing from the tills.

Police are investigating the possibility that 6ft 2ins Monterio, known as Toni, may have been responsible in an act of revenge for losing his job. Another theory is that Madeleine was kidnapped and killed after disturbing a burglar.

Angry denial: Euclides Monterio's widow Luisa Monterio at work
 
Monteiro’s widow Luisa confirmed she had been quizzed by police but insisted her husband was innocent.

She said: “It is disgusting they are now looking for a dead man as a scapegoat.

“It’s very easy to blame someone who can’t defend themselves any more. My husband would never be capable of committing such a crime.” Monteiro’s close friend Sergio Paulo, 44, a builder from Lagos, told how his pal’s drug habit made him to turn to crime – although he too doubted if he had taken Madeleine.

He said: “Toni was a good guy but had some serious drug problems. He would smoke heroin and became a slave to it.

“I know he would sometimes break into apartments and rob them. He was taking valuables from rooms at Ocean Club and selling them for drugs.”

 
PA
 
Sergio said he remembered Monterio – an immigrant from the ex Portuguese colony of Cape Verde, off West Africa – mentioning Madeleine’s case when he saw a report in a local newspaper.

Sergio said: “He held up the paper and said, ‘I wonder who took her?’ He never said much else about it.”

In the three months up to Madeleine’s disappearance police said there was a four-fold increase in low-level burglaries around the holiday complex.

Mentioned: Sergio Paulo, friend of Maddie McCann suspect Euclides Monterio's widow Luisa Monterio
 
Monteiro’s home in Lagos was a just a 15 minute drive from the resort.

Mobile phone records placed him near the McCanns’ apartment around the time Madeleine vanished.

Monteiro had several convictions for theft but was saved from being deported in 1996 after a presidential pardon.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, both 45, from Rothley, Leics, declined to comment yesterday on what they described as “speculation”.

McCanns 'pleased' as probe reopens 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on November 02, 2013, 10:47:32 AM
The quote from the wife in the above article came from an interview in the SOL newspaper in Portugal.

This reminds all to well of the stories in all of the papers about Robert Murat in the early days. One "friend" said that, when they were kids, he would take out his glass eye to scare the others, he was into zoophilia and tortured animals, he was a loner, etc. The British experts did a profile and said that there was a 60 to 80% probability that he fit the profile of Maddie's abductor. Now, this poor guy is dead and can't even defend himself.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 02, 2013, 12:02:59 PM
The quote from the wife in the above article came from an interview in the SOL newspaper in Portugal.

This reminds all to well of the stories in all of the papers about Robert Murat in the early days. One "friend" said that, when they were kids, he would take out his glass eye to scare the others, he was into zoophilia and tortured animals, he was a loner, etc. The British experts did a profile and said that there was a 60 to 80% probability that he fit the profile of Maddie's abductor. Now, this poor guy is dead and can't even defend himself.
"He smoked heroin" ! The dyslexic David Collins might have translated this way "fumava ganja".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 02, 2013, 12:16:30 PM
"He smoked heroin" ! The dyslexic David Collins might have translated this way "fumava ganja".

He smoked dope, not Heroin?

There was a brilliant skit on BBC radio 4 parodying what a demonstration for the legalisation of marijuana would be like.

"won't do we want!"
   "We can't remember"
"When do we want it?"
   "Just bring it around some time"

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 02, 2013, 09:28:04 PM
Dont feed it kazzcut ta!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 09:32:24 PM
Dont feed it kazzcut ta!

It never bothered me anyway .dunno what it has to do with mccanns that's what threw me .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 09:40:09 PM
Madeleine McCann abduction suspect was 'immigrant who received Presidential pardon'
THE man suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon after a theft conviction, local media have reported.
By: Dion Dassanayake Thu, October 31, 2013
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New information has emerged about the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann [PA]
The suspect was reportedly indicted in 1996 and would have been deported to his home country of Cape Verde if not for the intervention of then leader Jorge Sampaio.

Portuguese daily Correio da Manha said it was custom around Christmas in the nineties for the President to choose a number of citizens to give pardons to.

The paper claims the unnamed suspect moved to Lagos, a fifteen minute drive from the McCann holiday home, where he tried to rebuild his life with his wife.

However, around the time of Maddie's disappearance the man was fired from his job at the Ocean Club in the Praia da Luz resort where the McCanns were staying.

The alleged suspect reportedly was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon [PA]

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A relative of the suspect
Detectives are allegedly looking into the possibility that the suspect kidnapped the Briton in an act of revenge to being fired.

The paper claims the suspect knew the routines of Kate and Gerry McCann and was aware that they dined with friends late.


The Ocean Club where the unnamed man allegedly worked [JONATHAN BUCKMASTER]

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, said: "We are aware of reports in the Portuguese press.

"They are pure speculation and the McCanns are not going to give a running commentary on every new report."

The paper claims the man died in 2009 during a tractor accident.

The parents of the missing Briton Kate and Gerry McCann [EPA]

A relative of the suspect, who is believed to have been questioned by Portuguese police, told the paper: "They are looking for a suspect that can't defend himself.

"Peoples' lives can't be exposed this way."

Scotland Yard have issued fresh appeals for information in recent weeks in their inquiries into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

They have released two e-fit images of a man who witnesses saw carrying a child to the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

 
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 02, 2013, 09:43:11 PM
Madeleine McCann abduction suspect was 'immigrant who received Presidential pardon'
THE man suspected of kidnapping Madeleine McCann was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon after a theft conviction, local media have reported.
By: Dion Dassanayake Thu, October 31, 2013
0   
New information has emerged about the man suspected of abducting Madeleine McCann [PA]
The suspect was reportedly indicted in 1996 and would have been deported to his home country of Cape Verde if not for the intervention of then leader Jorge Sampaio.

Portuguese daily Correio da Manha said it was custom around Christmas in the nineties for the President to choose a number of citizens to give pardons to.

The paper claims the unnamed suspect moved to Lagos, a fifteen minute drive from the McCann holiday home, where he tried to rebuild his life with his wife.

However, around the time of Maddie's disappearance the man was fired from his job at the Ocean Club in the Praia da Luz resort where the McCanns were staying.

The alleged suspect reportedly was an immigrant who received a Presidential pardon [PA]

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A relative of the suspect
Detectives are allegedly looking into the possibility that the suspect kidnapped the Briton in an act of revenge to being fired.

The paper claims the suspect knew the routines of Kate and Gerry McCann and was aware that they dined with friends late.


The Ocean Club where the unnamed man allegedly worked [JONATHAN BUCKMASTER]

Clarence Mitchell, spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, said: "We are aware of reports in the Portuguese press.

"They are pure speculation and the McCanns are not going to give a running commentary on every new report."

The paper claims the man died in 2009 during a tractor accident.

The parents of the missing Briton Kate and Gerry McCann [EPA]

A relative of the suspect, who is believed to have been questioned by Portuguese police, told the paper: "They are looking for a suspect that can't defend himself.

"Peoples' lives can't be exposed this way."

Scotland Yard have issued fresh appeals for information in recent weeks in their inquiries into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

They have released two e-fit images of a man who witnesses saw carrying a child to the beach on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

 
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 02, 2013, 09:50:20 PM
It never bothered me anyway .dunno what it has to do with mccanns that's what threw me .

Its just an attention seeking desperate and  demented little rat up some drainpipe on speed, ignore , shouldnt be long till squashed
 8((()*/

C u later.......


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 02, 2013, 11:08:59 PM
It's seems a virus invaded the forum ! Are we so important ?
John, thanks to some premonition, indicated how to use the ignore function !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 02, 2013, 11:19:03 PM
It's seems a virus invaded the forum ! Are we so important ?
John, thanks to some premonition, indicated how to use the ignore function !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 03, 2013, 07:59:50 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440816/Did-panicking-kidnapper-plan-to-leave-injured-Madeleine-McCann-with-medics

Today's theory from the Express.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on November 03, 2013, 08:22:14 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440816/Did-panicking-kidnapper-plan-to-leave-injured-Madeleine-McCann-with-medics

Today's theory from the Express.

Quote
British residents Julie and Colin Kimber have been trying to work out why an abductor would risk taking a three-year-old into a fairly busy area of bars and restaurants just before 10pm on May 3, 2007.

They're not the only ones.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 03, 2013, 08:27:31 AM
They're not the only ones.

No, they're not. But you've got to do a hell of a lot of round-about thinking to get to'a burglar probably injured her and decided to take her to the doctors, then changed his mind and hid her in the best place ever'.

Bizarre.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 03, 2013, 08:29:56 AM
They're not the only ones.

At the moment, the star and express represent the pit of UK journalism.

Pure sensationalism and the facts go out the window.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 08:41:43 AM
Did panicking kidnapper plan to leave 'injured' Madeleine McCann with medics?
WHOEVER kidnapped Madeleine McCann may have intended to leave her outside a doctor’s surgery after she was injured in a burglary gone wrong, it was claimed last night.
By: James Murray Sun, November 3, 2013
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Kate and Gerry remain hopeful that Maddie is still alive [GETTY]
The key sighting of the potential prime suspect carrying a sleeping child happened in a small road just yards away from Luzdoc, the medical centre in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

British residents Julie and Colin Kimber have been trying to work out why an abductor would risk taking a three-year-old into a fairly busy area of bars and restaurants just before 10pm on May 3, 2007.

Looking at the exact point of the sighting, Mr Kimber said: “You have to ask yourself why he was heading down the hill in this direction when he must have known there were more people about.

“Maybe a burglary went wrong and the child was injured and then he thought he should take her to the medical centre, panicked and then took her away.

“If he was taking her to someone in a car he would not have arranged the rendezvous in this area because too many people would be around. Why risk being seen by somebody?”

Another possibility being considered is that an abductor lived locally and took Madeleine to his property after kidnapping her from the family’s holiday apartment at the Ocean Club.

Could Maddie have been hurt? [PA]

You have to ask yourself why he was heading down the hill in this direction

Colin Kimber
Mr Kimber added: “Ever since the Crimewatch programme, which placed great emphasis on this key sighting, we have been trying to work it out, but the route is baffling.

“There is a real village community in Luz and everybody has been thinking hard about if they saw anyone who looked like the man in the e-fit.”

Another theory is that an abductor may have taken Madeleine to one of several derelict buildings and gardens, all just yards from where Irish holidaymaker Martin Smith and other members of his family saw the e-fit man carrying a child.

Directly opposite the sighting is a junction with two derelict houses.

A small doorway leads into the garden.

Today, by looking over the wall, it seems someone has been living in the garden. There is an open toilet and a hose pipe shower with a curtain rail, table and chairs and signs of an open fire.

One of the buildings is owned by a German woman who uses it to house bikes for rent to holidaymakers. The other property is up for sale.

Neither owner wished to comment last week. It is understood the gardens were thoroughly searched when Madeleine vanished but locals could not recall seeing police enter any derelict buildings.

In recent months police have been active in this key area of the resort. One resident, who declined to be named, said: “They have been up and down the road, day and night.

MYSTERY: Clinic that expats think man could have been heading for [MARK KEHOE]

“Some people reckon the man was on his way to the rocky coastline a few hundred yards away to take her away in a boat, but that would be very tricky at night.

“This renewed police activity is good because people want this solved once and for all.”

Luz residents have been sceptical of reports that a sacked Ocean Club worker may be the abductor. He died in a tractor accident four years ago.

The 40-year-old was a petty criminal with a drug problem but last week his widow said he was “incapable of touching a child” and there was nothing in his criminal file about being a paedophile.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 08:45:55 AM
THE new suspect in the disappearance of Madeliene McCann suspect 'a violent thug who was a threat to children’ had a violent past and a track record of “suspicious behaviour with children”, according to a Portuguese police profile revealed yesterday.
By: Mark Reynolds Sat, November 2, 2013
0   
Kate and Gerry remain convinced she is still alive [GETTY]
Further revelations have heightened police fears about the man, an immigrant thief killed in a tractor accident two years after Madeleine vanished.

Leading Portuguese daily paper Correio da Manha said the police profile identified the suspect as a worker who had been sacked by the Ocean Club, the Algarve holiday complex in Praia da Luz where Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

Portuguese officers are examining the possibility that the man, who has not been named by the authorities, may have kidnapped the three-year-old in an act of revenge against his former employers.

The suspect was a father-of-one who emigrated to Portugal from his native Cape Verde off west Africa and was convicted of theft in 1996.

The newspaper Correio da Manha claimed yesterday: “Portuguese police inspectors who studied the case and asked for its recent re-opening put together a profile of the suspect, who died aged 40 in 2009, and concluded the character traits they identified strengthened the possibility he could have been the author of the crime.”

Missing Madeleine McCann pictured on holiday in Portugal shortly before she vanished [PA]

They are looking at the wrong man

Brother-in-law
The paper claimed the man had a past “marked by some episodes of violence” and had “suspicious behaviour with children” – but offered no more details.

It also claimed the man’s family had refused to help police.

Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leics, are aware of the reports but continue to believe their daughter is alive and a separate exhaustive investigation by Scotland Yard detectives, codenamed Operation Grange, continues.

Portuguese detectives re-opened their investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance following a decision last month by the country’s Attorney General, more than five years after it was shelved. The suspect’s family ­yesterday threatened to sue the Portuguese state over leaks to the media, insisting he was ­innocent.

His brother-in-law, speaking outside his country home at the end of a dirt track a short drive from Praia da Luz, said: “It was a shock to us all when we read the police suspected my late brother-in-law of kidnapping and killing Madeleine.

Kate leaving the court house in Lisbon [GETTY]

“He wasn’t named in the newspaper reports but we knew immediately who they were talking about.

“My brother-in-law was sacked from the Ocean Club and I can understand why the police would want to have a look at him, especially if they then discover he has a criminal conviction. But I strongly believe that if the police do consider he is a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case, they are looking at the wrong man.

“The idea he did it to get revenge on the Ocean Club makes no sense at all. It wasn’t as if what happened there with him losing his job destroyed his life. He got work elsewhere soon afterwards. He was working at the time he died.

“He is not around to defend his reputation so others have to do it for him.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on November 03, 2013, 09:27:47 AM
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No, they're not. But you've got to do a hell of a lot of round-about thinking to get to'a burglar probably injured her and decided to take her to the doctors, then changed his mind and hid her in the best place ever'.

Bizarre.

yes not only do we propose the existence of an individual for whom there is little evidence - we are also able to look inside his mind and invent elaborate scenarios.

Next week: what the abductor does on his day-off.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 10:38:28 AM
kazcutt brings the news ...its hardly her fault if its not the news the anti's want ...every person of interest should be checked out ... 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 10:44:36 AM
yes not only do we propose the existence of an individual for whom there is little evidence - we are also able to look inside his mind and invent elaborate scenarios.

Next week: what the abductor does on his day-off.

The papers are just grabbing anything to post
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 03, 2013, 11:26:50 AM
There seems to be a group funk at the possibility that an abductor may be found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 11:32:59 AM
I suppose it is only natural that we will be served up a plethora of possible abductors, considering  that is what the police have stated they are concentrating on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 11:38:47 AM
The papers are just grabbing anything to post

Only a matter of time before they fill articles with our thoughts on the case 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 11:45:54 AM
Only a matter of time before they fill articles with our thoughts on the case 8)-)))


dream on lyall .. 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 11:46:41 AM
They're not the only ones.
Also not the only ones when they say " the route is baffling".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 11:48:25 AM
 ?{)(**
Perhaps also a matter of trial's conclusions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 11:51:17 AM

dream on lyall .. 8-)(--)

James Murray is writing articles based on the opinion of people almost literally stopped in the street. Very vox populi.

We may all yet have our 15 minutes ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 11:52:31 AM
?{)(**
Perhaps also a matter of trial's conclusions.

8(>(( It will definitely not go unnoticed, Anne.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:06:16 PM
[
Benita, trust me, I don't hate anyone ?{)(**

But as DCI Redwood said himself "this has gone on far too long".

Or, as the Star put it:

(http://s15.postimg.org/xqhbwxwvf/Daily_Star_Weekend_13_10_2013.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on November 03, 2013, 12:18:14 PM
Also not the only ones when they say " the route is baffling".

Perhaps the person who took that route had no other choice and hoped for the best.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:21:35 PM
Benita, trust me, I don't hate anyone ?{)(**

But as DCI Redwood said himself "this has gone on far too long".

Or, as the Star put it:

(http://s15.postimg.org/xqhbwxwvf/Daily_Star_Weekend_13_10_2013.jpg)


exactly as the star puts it ....it sells papers ...surely you don't believe everything you read in the papers  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 12:30:29 PM
Only a matter of time before they fill articles with our thoughts on the case 8)-)))

Seams like the pj are looking at Portugal suspects and uk looking at uk

They certainly think she was abducted IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:32:35 PM

exactly as the star puts it ....it sells papers ...surely you don't believe everything you read in the papers  >@@(*&)

No I don't. Only the Sunday Times 8)-)))

(joking. None of us know what the truth is Benita. But we're all entitled to have our opinion)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 12:37:35 PM
No I don't. Only the Sunday Times 8)-)))

(joking. None of us know what the truth is Benita. But we're all entitled to have our opinion)

Kate knows, she was there:

Reporter: "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:38:37 PM
Seams like the pj are looking at Portugal suspects and uk looking at uk

They certainly think she was abducted IMO

Thinking she was isn't enough. What happens if/when no evidence is found?

We know what will happen, this will go on and on. Because you can't arouse the passion of the entire world in 2007 and then wish that interest would go away when no answers have been found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:39:22 PM
No I don't. Only the Sunday Times 8)-)))

(joking. None of us know what the truth is Benita. But we're all entitled to have our opinion)


opinion based on what ?  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:44:43 PM
Kate knows, she was there:

Reporter: "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

True. We were told repeatedly in 2007 that evidence existed, and then none appeared apart from open window and door angle.

And the door angle makes no sense now the 9.15 sighting has "probably" been ruled out does it.

No wonder the Star and Express are cynical >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:46:31 PM
Seams like the pj are looking at Portugal suspects and uk looking at uk

They certainly think she was abducted IMO

they aren't looking at anything else ...well if they are its not being reported anywhere ...

"THE McCANN'S AND THEIR FRIENDS ARE NEITHER PERSONS OF INTEREST NOR SUSPECTS IN THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MADELEINE"

DCI REDWOOD
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:48:24 PM

opinion based on what ?  >@@(*&)

Well if I wasn't curious before, I certainly would be after Crimewatch, Benita. How could anyone not be when the story that was told for six and a half years is dramatically changed... twice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 12:53:39 PM
Well if I wasn't curious before, I certainly would be after Crimewatch, Benita. How could anyone not be when the story that was told for six and a half years is dramatically changed... twice.


im sure sy know what they are doing ...its a new theory like many that have to be investigated ..looking into every angle of the case is a good thing ..imo  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 12:57:07 PM

im sure sy know what they are doing ...its a new theory like many that have to be investigated ..looking into every angle of the case is a good thing ..imo  8((()*/

I definitely agree with you there ?>)()< We'll see what transpires in the coming months. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 03, 2013, 01:12:07 PM
Sunday 13 October 2013

(http://s15.postimg.org/xqhbwxwvf/Daily_Star_Weekend_13_10_2013.jpg)

This must be the most hypocritical headline of all time from the Daily Liar Star.

First of all it was "Maddie found in Greece" followed by "Maddie found in Ireland" and now we have the deceased Mr Monteiro condemned by them in the "Maddie abducted for 5 Euro" trash.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 03, 2013, 01:13:46 PM
Kate knows, she was there:

Reporter: "What evidence do you have that there was an abduction? Can I ask this question because you say that Amaral doesn't have..."

Kate McCann: "Because I know. I was there, I found my daughter gone. I know more than you do. I know what I saw."

Try thinking WS.

Of course she knows whether it was an abduction , or not.

1)  Window and blind open.  Probably beyond the capability of Madeleine ... and how would she know how to do it?  Kate and Gerrry never opened nor closed the shutters

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

3)  Beloved cuddlecat Cuddlecat was left behind. 
Am I right in saying that was left on an out of reach place.  Pls correct me if I am wrong.  I do not wish to perpetrate myths.

4)  Madeleines pink cuddleblanket was left behind. 

Oh, and of course, it seems the curtains were closed from Kates discription of them billowing open

Come on WS, do you know of any 4 year old who would leave her favourite bedtime things behind?  Particularly if she had awakened and felt worried.  They would have been the first thing she would have grabbed for comfort.


Of course kate being intelligent would realise what most likely had happened, but first she checked the appartment before running for help about 75 metres away. 
The womens fastest time for 100 metres is 10.49 seconds.  I bet that Kate was there in less than 12 seconds. 


Just can't believe that you can't undrstand that.  Thinking cap on WS
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 03, 2013, 01:17:18 PM
Try thinking WS.

Of course she knows whether it was an abduction , or not.

1)  Window and blind open.  Probably beyond the capability of Madeleine ... and how would she know how to do it?  Kate and Gerrry never opened nor closed the shutters

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

3)  Beloved cuddlecat Cuddlecat was left behind. 
Am I right in saying that was left on an out of reach place.  Pls correct me if I am wrong.  I do not wish to perpetrate myths.

4)  Madeleines pink cuddleblanket was left behind. 

Oh, and of course, it seems the curtains were closed from Kates discription of them billowing open

Come on WS, do you know of any 4 year old who would leave her favourite bedtime things behind?  Particularly if she had awakened and felt worried.  They would have been the first thing she would have grabbed for comfort.


Of course kate being intelligent would realise what most likely had happened, but first she checked the appartment before running for help about 75 metres away. 
The womens fastest time for 100 metres is 10.49 seconds.  I bet that Kate was there in less than 12 seconds. 


Just can't believe that you can't undrstand that.  Thinking cap on WS


Perpetuating myths that have already been dismantled.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 01:20:37 PM
Perhaps the person who took that route had no other choice and hoped for the best.
And was right in his hope !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 03, 2013, 01:21:42 PM

Perpetuating myths that have already been dismantled.
A challenge:

Name the myths


Additionally Kate would know how Madeleine left the bedclothes when she Left the bed.  They were probably different.

You made the claim ... now .... Name the myths, Luz.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 01:21:51 PM

Perpetuating myths that have already been dismantled.
Some myths aren't dangerous because they're obviously myths.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 01:23:11 PM
Try thinking WS.

Of course she knows whether it was an abduction , or not.

1)  Window and blind open.  Probably beyond the capability of Madeleine ... and how would she know how to do it?  Kate and Gerrry never opened nor closed the shutters

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

3)  Beloved cuddlecat Cuddlecat was left behind. 
Am I right in saying that was left on an out of reach place.  Pls correct me if I am wrong.  I do not wish to perpetrate myths.

4)  Madeleines pink cuddleblanket was left behind. 

Oh, and of course, it seems the curtains were closed from Kates discription of them billowing open

Come on WS, do you know of any 4 year old who would leave her favourite bedtime things behind?  Particularly if she had awakened and felt worried.  They would have been the first thing she would have grabbed for comfort.


Of course kate being intelligent would realise what most likely had happened, but first she checked the appartment before running for help about 75 metres away. 
The womens fastest time for 100 metres is 10.49 seconds.  I bet that Kate was there in less than 12 seconds. 


Just can't believe that you can't undrstand that.  Thinking cap on WS


You miss the point,

Kate knew immediately that Madeleine had been taken when faced with an open window & empty bed.

That being the case why search the flat at all?

There was absolutely no doubt that she had been taken.

And given that she apparently knew immediately that she had been taken

Why was there any delay at all in contacting the emergency services?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 01:24:49 PM
The bed is another mystery. She was under the cover according to mum because it was cold and upon it according to dad because it was hot ! The last statement fits better the photograph, without explaining the folded corner.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 01:25:01 PM
I wonder how many "people of interest" will have their name age image blanked or unblanked and area they live plastered all over the papers before theyre finished.....the bloody Sun....well be it on their heads if any of these people get attacked!....so SY not leaking info???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 03, 2013, 01:25:24 PM

2)  Kate would see that there was no disturbance on the bed under the window.  Madeleine would have needed that bed to climb up on to reach the window.

Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 01:26:26 PM
Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.
@)(++(*

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 01:31:58 PM
I wonder how many "people of interest" will have their name age image blanked or unblanked and area they live plastered all over the papers before theyre finished.....the bloody Sun....well be it on their heads if any of these people get attacked!....so SY not leaking info???


if its what it takes to find out what happened to madeleine ..then so be it ...if the persons of interest are innocent then they got nothing to hide ...simples  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:32:46 PM
Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.

A small child would have needed to climb on the bed. An abductor would not!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 01:37:31 PM
and no need to disturb the bed to pass a small child out the window ..entering through the door and exiting the child using the window ..more desolate less chance of being noticed ...just a thought you know ;) ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 01:38:22 PM
A small child would have needed to climb on the bed. An abductor would not!
No,not if they were 8 foot tall...the sill is 91cm from the floor, about the height of your average kitchen counter top, dont think a quick leg over is that feasible especially without leaving any evidence
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 03, 2013, 01:41:17 PM
Spot on Sadie, truly an own goal. 8@??)(

Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window.
Of course they didn't. 

As Ihave been shouting as loud as I can


They/he entered and left by the FRONT DOOR.  The truly dark spot that NOBODY could see from any direction unless they purposely went and stood in front of it.

A key was used almost without doubt .... and of course this tends to impicate someone from Ocean Club.

Going for lunch now.  If I feel up to it, will return after.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 03, 2013, 01:48:27 PM
A small child would have needed to climb on the bed. An abductor would not!

You might not have noticed but the spare bed was right in front of the window. No fully grown man could have come in the window without disturbing that bed or its covers.  Anyone coming in from outside would have left marks on the bedclothes as well as the window sills.  Remember the forensics?  No marks whatsoever!!

As far as the front door is concerned Sadie, a key wasn't needed if the door was opened from the inside as I suspect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:48:58 PM
No,not if they were 8 foot tall...the sill is 91cm from the floor, about the height of your average kitchen counter top, dont think a quick leg over is that feasible especially without leaving any evidence

John said

"Absolute proof that nobody entered or left by that window."


That quite simply is incorrect.

Picking fault with what Sadie says is not absolute proof of anything.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:49:52 PM
You might not have noticed but the spare bed was right in front of the window. No fully grown man could have come in the window without disturbing that bed or its covers.  Anyone coming in from outside would have left marks on the bedclothes as well as the window sills.  Remember the forensics?  No marks whatsoever!!

Incorrect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on November 03, 2013, 01:52:03 PM
Are we still labouring this window nonsense? There was no need the doors were unlocked. Give it up already.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 01:55:33 PM
Are we still labouring this window nonsense? There was no need the doors were unlocked. Give it up already.

Well I for one is not labouring the window nonsense. More the assumption that if Sadie say something it provides absolute proof!

Now that is just incorrect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 01:57:46 PM
Of course they didn't. 

As Ihave been shouting as loud as I can


They/he entered and left by the FRONT DOOR.  The truly dark spot that NOBODY could see from any direction unless they purposely went and stood in front of it.

A key was used almost without doubt .... and of course this tends to impicate someone from Ocean Club.

Going for lunch now.  If I feel up to it, will return after.

So they entered and left through the front door, but left the window open to alert everybody? >@@(*&)

(http://s9.postimg.org/9klhajb3z/zzzapartment3d.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 01:58:57 PM
Was there no disturbance on the bed under the window ? (CS photographs)

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5377/k8a0.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:14:35 PM
I would estimate at least 1 metre of space to get access to the window - would you agree angelo?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 03, 2013, 02:15:59 PM
Was there no disturbance on the bed under the window ? (CS photographs)

(http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/5377/k8a0.jpg)

That bed looks slept in doesn't it  ?

Is it because Kate slept in it the night before  ?   (  didn't she say she was ticked off with Gerry on the wednesday night for some reason,  and slept in the children's room  ?  ) 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 02:24:15 PM
That bed looks slept in doesn't it  ?

Is it because Kate slept in it the night before  ?   (  didn't she say she was ticked off with Gerry on the wednesday night for some reason,  and slept in the children's room  ?  ) 

If that was so and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady, then would she have left the bedclothes in such a state ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:26:34 PM
another possibility is that the children were playing on the bed at some time - but don't let the obvious bother your enquires.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 03, 2013, 02:30:28 PM
If that was so and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady, then would she have left the bedclothes in such a state ?

Well it looks  like someone slept in it,  and hadn't bothered to make the bed afterwards

It's the top end of the bed that is disturbed ,  not the bottom end   ...  which wouldn't  be the case if someone had used it either climbing in, or out of the window 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 02:31:13 PM
If Mr Oldfield had entered the flat as he pretended, he would have seen that empty slept in bed and at least confirmed whether it was Madeleine's or not. Any normal person checking on children would have.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:34:09 PM
""Correio da Manhã - paper edition

(Translated by Montclair)

1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie"

posted here in the news thread.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 02:36:29 PM
Well it looks  like someone slept in it,  and hadn't bothered to make the bed afterwards

It's the top end of the bed that is disturbed ,  not the bottom end   ...  which wouldn't  be the case if someone had used it either climbing in, or out of the window
Wouldn't Madeleine's bed have been disturbed by the whole family sitting upon it, looking at a picture book ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:38:11 PM
Wouldn't Madeleine's bed have been disturbed by the whole family sitting upon it, looking at a picture book ?

yes any number of innocent perfectly normal explanations.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:40:19 PM
If that was so and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady, then would she have left the bedclothes in such a state ?

 and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady

I suppose that comes from somewhere?

and also applies to a holiday environment?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 02:40:32 PM
is it the 5th nov ..the libel trial against amaral restarts ? ... >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 03, 2013, 02:40:48 PM
Kate slept in the bed next to the window. Madeleine's bed next to the door didn't look like it had been slept in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 02:43:26 PM
Well it looks  like someone slept in it,  and hadn't bothered to make the bed afterwards

It's the top end of the bed that is disturbed ,  not the bottom end   ...  which wouldn't  be the case if someone had used it either climbing in, or out of the window

Seeing as we have been told KM slept in it the night before, and seeing as you say it looks like it, with the bottom more undisturbed, and seeing as most people who have a maid to make the beds dont bother doing it themselves, safe to assume thats why the bedding was disturbed....and good point about the bottom having been disturbed if anyone trampled over it....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 02:45:37 PM
yes any number of innocent perfectly normal explanations.

It's amazing isn't it, for every inconsistency in this case no matter who, what, where, how & why there are always any number of perfectly normal explanations ready at hand whenever the requirements for them arises.
Extraordinary.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:49:55 PM
It's amazing isn't it, for every inconsistency in this case no matter who, what, where, how & why there are always any number of perfectly normal explanations ready at hand whenever the requirements for them arises.
Extraordinary.

Yes it is truly amazing that every innocent thing is an "inconsistency".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 02:50:48 PM
It's amazing isn't it, for every inconsistency in this case no matter who, what, where, how & why there are always any number of perfectly normal explanations ready at hand whenever the requirements for them arises.
Extraordinary.
This is how passion works !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 02:51:45 PM
and assuming Kate is a fastidious tidy lady

I suppose that comes from somewhere?

and also applies to a holiday environment?

Only those close to KM know that... that's why I assumed she might be, whether on holiday or not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 02:51:53 PM
Yes it is truly amazing that every innocent thing is an "inconsistency".

Innocent? Who can know that but the people involved. After Crimewatch you ought to be questioning everything.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:53:47 PM
Only those close to KM know that... that's why I assumed she might be, whether on holiday or not.

why didn't you assume she was an untidy woman on holiday and not particularly bothered if a bed was messed up or not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 02:54:58 PM
Innocent? Who can know that but the people involved. After Crimewatch you ought to be questioning everything.

Unless you are a true believer.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 02:55:23 PM
For Anne, Madeleine's bed near the inside wall complete with blanket and cuddlecat.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1666/[Name removed]6k.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:56:29 PM
Innocent? Who can know that but the people involved. After Crimewatch you ought to be questioning everything.

well exactly - only those involved can possibly know - but every day something sinister it thought of and discussed.

I didn't need Crimewatch to make me question everything - I have done it for years, and am still doing it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 02:57:18 PM
Unless you are a true believer.

?{)(** Yep.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 02:58:48 PM
the untidy bed will keep non-believers going for years.

Oh - on second thoughts - it already has.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 03:12:24 PM
why didn't you assume she was an untidy woman on holiday and not particularly bothered if a bed was messed up or not?
Only because most of the women I've known like things neat and tidy (especially unmade beds) wherever they're staying, so I'm probably choosing the wrong type.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 03, 2013, 03:29:48 PM
For Anne, Madeleine's bed near the inside wall complete with blanket and cuddlecat.

(http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/1666/[Name removed]6k.jpg)
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 03:31:55 PM
Quote
Correio da Manhã - paper edition

(Translated by Montclair)

1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.

The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.

As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.

The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.

The Family admits suing for defamation

The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.

Murat was considered a suspect

The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.

The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".

Details

Lived in Lagos

The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.

"Unable to defend himself"

The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.

He was in the area

The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 03:35:06 PM
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.


Kate McCann (interviewed for BBC Breakfast TV):

"Is it right for somebody to go into your apartment and take your child out [of] your bed?".

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 03, 2013, 04:03:17 PM
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.

From the witness statement of Joao Barreiras, Criminal Investigation Dept. Portimao. on arriving at OC the day after she disappeared...

When they arrived at the scene, which they immediately identified due to the presence of GNR officers, as well as quite a lot of people who were walking around the street searching for the child, they immediately went to the apartment in question, where they found several people, including some GNR officers, as well as the head of the Lagos GNR station.   He states that the people inside the apartment and close to it, entered and left the building and circulated in the whole apartment, completely freely, in other words, without there being any restriction or care in preserving the scene.   He said that these people were the friends of the parents of the missing girl and a lady responsible for the resort called Silvia.   He was shown the room the child had disappeared from, having noticed that people also entered and left that room without any care in the sense of preserving traces. Inside this room there were two children, babies, sleeping in two cots placed in the middle of the room.

From the looks of the above anyone - mother, father, or friends could have interfered with Madeleine's bedclothes, folding and unfolding the bed linen or handling her toy and security blanket before the scene was sealed off.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 03, 2013, 04:10:16 PM
It doesn't look like having been slept in, it looks that it was untidily prepared for the child to get in.

Thats not what these GNR thought.

José María Batista Roque

During the search he did not find anything strange apart from the bedclothes on Madeleine's bed, which were too tidy, it appeared that she had been picked up from or had left the bed with great care. There was a mark on the sheet that appeared to be made by a child's body.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html

Nelson Filipe Pacheco da Costa

Then, with his colleague, he searched the apartment. He opened all the cupboards of the bedrooms, living room and kitchen and he checked under the beds and in the fridge. He did not see the washing machine. He did not see anything strange during the search and there was no sign of a break in. As regards the bed clothes of the child’s bed, he found it to have a normal disposition.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:20:32 PM
excuse me - did she speak with parenthesis?

Obviously not, it was put in for clarity .....petty petty again

From 2.30 just for you IMPO in case you are wondering if it was said, etc etc.



Back to the latest news then.....but not going to sit and say nothing when attacked because I asked a simple question and made a simple observation...




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:25:29 PM
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Correio da Manhã - paper edition

(Translated by Montclair)

1 November 2013

Profile led PJ to the abductor of Maddie

The immigrant also showed agressive traits and suspicious behaviour towards children.
The suspect's family refuses to collaborate.

Eduardo Dâmaso/Tânia Laranjo/Ana Isabel Fonseca

An aggressive and conflictual personality and suspicious behaviour towards children led the PJ investigation to the Cabo Verde immigrant, indicated in the abduction and murder of Maddie.

The PJ inspectors, who studied the case and led to it's recent reopening, elaborated a profile of the suspect - who died in 2009 at 40 - and concluded that the traits presented give more strength to the possibility that he was the author of the crime. The PJ, also, had done the same in 2007, when Robert Murat had been made "arguido". The profile had been made with the help of two British criminologists and indicated that the luso-british could be responsible for the disappearance.

As for the Cabo Verde immigrant now being investigated, he had a past marked some violent episodes. He was also involved in a labour conflict, having left in a dispute. This is what happened in the Ocean Clube resort, in Praia da Luz, in Lagos, where the suspect worked. He lost his job a short time before the girl disappeared, 3 May 2007.

The PJ has, during the last few days, attempted to reconstruct the last steps of the suspect and to try to find the places where he could have hidden Madeleine's body, who was 4 at the time of the disappearance. The suspect's family has not collaborated with the PJ, which has hindered the investigation. The wife has not offered any leads as to the last years of the life of her companion. The suspect had a record for theft. In 1996, he received a pardon from the President Jorge Sampaio and was not thrown out of the country.

The Family admits suing for defamation

The family of the man who is suspected of abducting Maddie, has already admitted suing the state, for offense against a deceased person. The wife, who refused to speak to CM, is supposed to have already contacted a lawyer in order to go ahead with a complaint for offenses to the memory of a deceased person. This complaint could come up against the fact that the PJ is only studying one line of investigation, which had already happened in the past. Robert Murat, for example, who had been made arguido, was never compensated for the damages suffered because of the investigation. It would be difficult in the Portuguese judicial system for the widow to prove this, although the closest relatives speak of an enormous "shame" felt by the widow and son.

Murat was considered a suspect

The name of Robert Murat was put on the table, days after the disappearance of Maddie. At the time, the PJ counted on the help of Joe Sullivan and the superintendent Graham Hill, two renowned British criminologists, to analyse Murat's personality. The evaluation made of the luso-british led the authorities to conclude that he had 70 to 85% possibility of fitting in the profile of Maddie's abductor.

The criminologist also said, at the time, that Robert Murat "never gave credible explanations".

Details

Lived in Lagos

The suspect of Madeleine McCann's abduction lived the last few years in Portelas, in Lagos county.

"Unable to defend himself"

The family of the suspect told CM that they are indignant that the PJ are investigating someone who has already died and is unable to defend themself.

He was in the area

The mobile pings reveal that the suspect was in the area of the resort the day of the crime

why do people want to ignore this on the news thread?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:26:25 PM
ah so you add things for clarity.

There was nothing strange in what Kate said.

theres no ah, involved, I didnt add or take anything away! I never typed that quote....talk about flogging a dead horse..... give it up now.......not responding to any more silly posts here......


@davel, well gosh, thanks for that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:34:44 PM
the same UK tabloid press that was being applauded because they picked up an unfounded Sunday Times article from last weekend.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 03, 2013, 04:36:04 PM
This excludes you does it? you are the standard of impartiality that we should all aspire to?

 @)(++(*

No. I very rarely make any positive point, usually just try to demonstrate how everyone is working on inadequate information (and usually inadequate brain power).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:40:30 PM
quite the reverse after the allegations about the UK gutter press

The article says the 'suspect' was in the area on the day (according to phone records), but doesn't give the time. It might have been 6am.

I wouldn't get too excited.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:43:33 PM
The article says the 'suspect' was in the area on the day (according to phone records), but doesn't give the time. It might have been 6am.

I wouldn't get too excited.

maybe you would like to read the thread and how excited people are about how bad the UK tabloids are - the same UK tabloids that were being applauded all week.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:43:58 PM
the same UK tabloid press that was being applauded because they picked up an unfounded Sunday Times article from last weekend.

And you know it was unfounded because?

eta gremlins on the thread? Mods splitting it? Have posted the same three times and either didnt go through or was deleted, or something, also some other replies I fleetingly saw have gone too....will come back to it bit later
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:45:51 PM
And you know it was unfounded because?

because I have examined the article in depth and what people were cheering about was not actually in the article, and I have also seen the follow up article by the Times.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:46:23 PM
maybe you would like to read the thread and how excited people are about how bad the UK tabloids are - the same UK tabloids that were being applauded all week.

They were applauded for four articles on Sunday and Monday, not for the thousands of other articles printed in recent years, or for any others printed this week.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:46:52 PM
I fact - I would go so far as to say that The Sunday Times article was a made up scam.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:47:34 PM
because I have examined the article in depth and what people were cheering about was not actually in the article, and I have also seen the follow up article by the Times.

It's not what was said, it's that somebody had the guts to say it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:48:10 PM
They were applauded for four articles on Sunday and Monday, not for the thousands of other articles printed in recent years, or for any others printed this week.

Yes 4 articles that were anti Mccann and were very very incorrect.

But if you want to pick 4 articles out of thousands of crap - it shows a lot doesn't it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:48:35 PM
I fact - I would go so far as to say that The Sunday Times article was a made up scam.

We're all ears 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:48:50 PM
It's not what was said, it's that somebody had the guts to say it.

the guts to lie.

How strange you are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:49:27 PM
We're all ears 8(0(*

no - you are all prejudice - your recent posts prove it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 04:49:43 PM
I fact - I would go so far as to say that The Sunday Times article was a made up scam.

If that is so, then we can shortly expect to see a retraction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 04:50:04 PM
It's not what was said, it's that somebody had the guts to say it.


even if theres nothing to back it up as a truth  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
because I have examined the article in depth and what people were cheering about was not actually in the article, and I have also seen the follow up article by the Times.

Nothing to do with what anyone was cheering about or complaining about...the content is all that matters, you said the content was unfounded....unless the authors have retracted anything theywrote, it stands....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:50:38 PM
If you care to read what the Sunday Times article says, and what the follow up Times article says - you will realise why the tabloids dropped it so quickly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:51:38 PM
If you care to read what the Sunday Times article says, and what the follow up Times article says - you will realise why the tabloids dropped it so quickly.

Explain it then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:51:51 PM
If that is so, then we can shortly expect to see a retraction.

don't hold your breath
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:53:10 PM
Explain it then?

did you not read what I said - you examine the 2 articles and come back with a conclusion - there is nothing secret to people who weren't too busy high fiving to see the truth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:53:43 PM
didn't anyone notice how quickly the UK tabloids dropped the story?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 04:54:40 PM
The Times & Sunday Times are behind a paywall, so are not now available to most people. Perhaps you could provide a summary ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:55:05 PM
Nothing to do with what anyone was cheering about or complaining about...the content is all that matters, you said the content was unfounded....unless the authors have retracted anything theywrote, it stands....

the content was wrong - read the articles and see what they actually say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:55:26 PM
didn't anyone notice how quickly the UK tabloids dropped the story?

That's no surprise. The surprise is that it managed to get into print in the first place.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:57:21 PM
The Times & Sunday Times are behind a paywall, so are not now available to most people. Perhaps you could provide a summary ?

oh I provided the story from my subscription last Sunday and people took the piss out of me. You must be joking.

The actual thread started by red asked for someone with a subscription to post the article. I did - but was never thanked by red. The john edited the article. What a laugh.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 04:58:01 PM
That's no surprise. The surprise is that it managed to get into print in the first place.

a perfect piece of rubbish.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 04:59:54 PM
a perfect piece of rubbish.

Is it. The evidence of the past five years press says otherwise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:02:15 PM
Is it. The evidence of the past five years press says otherwise.

why are you in denial of the perfect gutter press last weekend?

In fact people with actually applauding the fact that The Sunday Times article was being picked up by the tabloids.

Denial
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:03:02 PM
The same way that there is denial about CdM now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:04:52 PM
why are you in denial of the perfect gutter press last weekend?

In fact people with actually applauding the fact that The Sunday Times article was being picked up by the tabloids.

Denial

Nobody knows at all what you mean. You'll have to explain what was in the 2nd Times article.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:06:24 PM
Nobody knows at all what you mean. You'll have to explain what was in the 2nd Times article.

It was on this forum. It may still be - it was posted by carly - the article from the Aus Times was identical to Uk Times
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:11:55 PM
carly's online perhaps she'll post it ..or perhaps not  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:12:59 PM
carly's online perhaps she'll post it ..or perhaps not  >@@(*&)

lots of people saw it - a lot chose to ignore it - I wonder why?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:13:15 PM
If it said that much I can't think you'd need to ask carly for it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:13:45 PM
the tabloids never followed up with the story afterwards!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:14:15 PM
oh I provided the story from my subscription last Sunday and people took the piss out of me. You must be joking.

The actual thread started by red asked for someone with a subscription to post the article. I did - but was never thanked by red. The john edited the article. What a laugh.

I posted the thread  very late that night and didnt go back to it until the next morning, ordinarily I would have thanked you before I saw you disingenuously accused John of editing the article, he did no such thing as well you know...and as he explained onthe thread later, after you spat your dummy out and erased the whole bleedin thing citing copyright rubbish reasons......yes it was a laugh! but I doht recall anyone taking the piss out of you for posting the article,  but not to worry it was all over the net anyway....the article stands as the authors have retracted nothing, the tabloids  were brave to pick it though it was embellished and changed no doubt from the pinky spinmeister who must have put the best dervishes to shame,  and other cronies, my  last word, jump through as many hypothetical and nonsensical hoops as you like, nothng will change that.....
 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 05:14:43 PM
lots of people saw it - a lot chose to ignore it - I wonder why?

Perhaps fewer saw it than you think.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:14:52 PM
the tabloids never followed up with the story afterwards!

That's Mitchell's job.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:16:30 PM
That's Mitchell's job.

oh so now it wasn't a good story and it was Mitchell - very interesting how your mood changes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:17:01 PM
lots of people saw it - a lot chose to ignore it - I wonder why?


beggers belief .. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:17:21 PM
If in doubt - blame Mitchell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:18:40 PM

beggers belief .. >@@(*&)

I didn't see it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:19:45 PM
If in doubt - blame Mitchell.

8((()*/ Works for me.

But he wouldn't need to ask someone else for an article. If it refuted the Sunday Times in any way why has nobody got a copy of it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:20:15 PM
I didn't see it.

you didn't see it but you are commenting on things.

double beggars belief
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:21:24 PM
I didn't see it.


shoulda gone to spec savers  8(>((...or would it be you didn't want to see it  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:22:13 PM
you didn't see it but you are commenting on things.

double beggars belief

I'm not, I'm commenting on you saying there is a second article that says things but you can neither produce the article or tell us what it said.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:22:17 PM
8((()*/ Works for me.

But he wouldn't need to ask someone else for an article. If it refuted the Sunday Times in any way why has nobody got a copy of it?

read my lips - it was posted here by carly. Not my fault if you decided to ignore it.

I have a Times subsciption along with a lot of other people.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:24:16 PM
I'm not, I'm commenting on you saying there is a second article that says things but you can neither produce the article or tell us what it said.

i can produce the article within 10 seconds

Dominic Kennedy
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 28 2013
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:24:30 PM
read my lips - it was posted here by carly. Not my fault if you decided to ignore it.

I have a Times subsciption along with a lot of other people.

So you could go and find it now then. 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:25:04 PM
So you could go and find it now then. 8)--))

i can produce the article within 10 seconds

Dominic Kennedy
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 28 2013
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:25:56 PM
i can produce the article within 10 seconds

Dominic Kennedy
Last updated at 12:01AM, October 28 2013

Christmas is coming...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:28:34 PM
Lyall
Re: It is claimed that Oakley's Report and e-fits were suppressed for 5 years?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 12:23:00 AM »
Quote
Imustpointout 8((()*/ Thank you.

Do you forget thanking me for posting the first article before anyone else?

You can laugh all you like now


here you go - a link too http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 05:29:02 PM
you didn't see it but you are commenting on things.

double beggars belief



@)(++(* @)(++(* eeh ya couldn't make it up  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:34:32 PM
Lyall
Re: It is claimed that Oakley's Report and e-fits were suppressed for 5 years?
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2013, 12:23:00 AM »
Quote
Imustpointout 8((()*/ Thank you.

Do you forget thanking me for posting the first article before anyone else?

You can laugh all you like now


here you go - a link too http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.0

I didn't forget. If you don't want to post the second article, just tell us what it said. A summary. Mr Kennedy would want you to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:38:42 PM
But I will give you a hint - re-read the first article very carefully and you will notice how many mistakes and non quotes there are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:40:34 PM
Aw dont  worry Lyall, I know how frustrating it is to ask someone for a link and they refuse to provide it, here you go

Post 430

Still dont see any source quoted for the PJ having the efits years ago!!! As against the headlines HIDDEN for five years! Couldnt make it up...though the sentence says the PJ and SY had them for some years. I wonder what that means, I think its SAFE to say the efits were kept hidden for a few years at least, IF they were passed on eventually when SY got involved....at some stage anyway


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96154#msg96154


Edited for after thought
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:40:46 PM

Kennedy's article begins with 'Five years have been wasted in the hunt for Madeleine McCann while pictures of the prime suspect in her abduction were suppressed.'

It doesn't sound like much of a change of tune.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:42:02 PM
But I will give you a hint - re-read the first article very carefully and you will notice how many mistakes and non quotes there are.

I know that. As I said it's not what it said, it's that people had the guts to ask some questions... finally.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:42:51 PM
Aw dont  worry Lyall, I know how frustrating it is to ask someone for a link and they refuse to provide it, here you go

Post 430

Still dont see any source quoted for the PJ having the efits years ago!!! As against the headlines HIDDEN for five years! Couldnt make it up...though the sentence says the PJ and SY had them for some years.


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96154#msg96154

?{)(** Nice one Red.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:46:57 PM

All that teasing for this line?

The e-fits were in the possession of both Portuguese police and Scotland Yard for some years before this month's publication.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:48:03 PM
Aw dont  worry Lyall, I know how frustrating it is to ask someone for a link and they refuse to provide it, here you go

Post 430

Still dont see any source quoted for the PJ having the efits years ago!!! As against the headlines HIDDEN for five years! Couldnt make it up...though the sentence says the PJ and SY had them for some years. I wonder what that means, I think its SAFE to say the efits were kept hidden for a few years at least, IF they were passed on eventually when SY got involved....at some stage anyway


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg96154#msg96154


Edited for after thought

drawing your own conclusions again red.

By the way red- you never did thank me for posting the subscription only Sunday Times article that you asked for.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:51:10 PM
All that teasing for this line?

The e-fits were in the possession of both Portuguese police and Scotland Yard for some years before this month's publication.

you jump to so many conclusions without thinking don't you.

Instead of picking out certain bits, read both articles fully and think about what they are saying. The first article is so full of holes it is ridiculous.

When you read things from an anti only point of view you miss the obvious.

Oh and by the way I didn't tease - I told you the article was on here - you needed red to find it for you - not my fault.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:52:38 PM
drawing your own conclusions again red.

By the way red- you never did thank me for posting the subscription only Sunday Times article that you asked for.

read my earlier post...i already explained post 355!

as for drawing conclusions....its pretty simple to do so  in this case....the efits were either hidden or not........everything points to them being so....you can argue till the cows come home......but without me....as you waste too many peoples time and energy like a vampire lol


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:54:51 PM
with PJ and SY for years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 05:56:02 PM
with PJ and SY for years.

unsubstantiated statement at BEST..bye now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 05:58:07 PM
with PJ and SY for years.

Some years. Since May 2011 I'd bet. Which still leaves two and a half years when nobody official was investigating and these e-fits weren't used.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 05:59:52 PM
Some years. Since May 2011 I'd bet. Which still leaves two and a half years when nobody official was investigating and these e-fits weren't used.

yes - maybe you will explain why PJ who interviewed the Smiths in 2007 and were the official police acting on the case didn't complete the investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 03, 2013, 06:01:07 PM
yes - maybe you will explain why PJ who interviewed the Smiths in 2007 and were the official police acting on the case didn't complete the investigation?

bliddy good question impo  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:04:19 PM
Maybe Amaral was right about the Smiths - but for the wrong reasons
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:04:40 PM
yes - maybe you will explain why PJ who interviewed the Smiths in 2007 and were the official police acting on the case didn't complete the investigation?

That's a different issue. It's not relevant to these particular e-fits.

Cutting Edge in May 2009 made the link between the 9.15 and 10pm sightings. But there was no e-fit for 9.15, so why weren't the ones that did exist used?

They aren't used in the book published before SY began their review either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:07:37 PM
who says that the efits were suppressed/withheld/kept secret?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:08:32 PM
That's a different issue. It's not relevant to these particular e-fits.

Cutting Edge in May 2009 made the link between the 9.15 and 10pm sightings. But there was no e-fit for 9.15, so why weren't the ones that did exist used?

They aren't used in the book published before SY began their review either.

what on earth has that got to do with anything?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:13:18 PM
what on earth has that got to do with anything?

That's the crucial question. Why weren't all possible tools available used in that TV programme and the book?

Unless you're saying it's a lie the e-fits were produced in 2008, why were they never used?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:15:58 PM
That's the crucial question. Why weren't all possible tools available used in that TV programme and the book?

Unless you're saying it's a lie the e-fits were produced in 2008, why were they never used?

we were discussing the Times article

who says that the efits were suppressed/withheld/kept secret?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:23:10 PM
we were discussing the Times article

who says that the efits were suppressed/withheld/kept secret?

You want to discredit the articles and/or writers, but they can speak for themselves. The evidence of your own eyes tells you if the e-fits were produced in 2008 they were kept secret - you and everyone else saw them for the first time just three weeks ago.

The Times articles aren't crucial here. Crimewatch and the first ever use of the e-fits is.

Were they produced in late 2008?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 03, 2013, 06:25:59 PM
You want to discredit the articles and/or writers, but they can speak for themselves. The evidence of your own eyes tells you if the e-fits were produced in 2008 they were kept secret - you and everyone else saw them for the first time just three weeks ago.

The Times articles aren't crucial here. Crimewatch and the first ever use of the e-fits is.

Were they produced in late 2008?

who says they were kept secret...according to the telegraph they were given to the pj and sy
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:26:15 PM
You want to discredit the articles and/or writers, but they can speak for themselves. The evidence of your own eyes tells you if the e-fits were produced in 2008 they were kept secret - you and everyone else saw them for the first time just three weeks ago.

The Times articles aren't crucial here. Crimewatch and the first ever use of the e-fits is.

Were they produced in late 2008?

you have now read the 2 articles and couldn't answer my question

I believe that is the end of the discussion.

I am not bothered about your other points at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:27:13 PM
who says they were kept secret...according to the telegraph they were given to the pj and sy

Secret from the public.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:27:18 PM
who says they were kept secret...according to the telegraph they were given to the pj and sy

nobody says they were kept secret - people did not read the articles properly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:27:44 PM
nobody says they were kept secret - people did not read the articles properly.

From the public.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:30:04 PM
From the public.

oh dear - are you not on the list for information. What a pity.

you read too much negativity into everything.

If the police had them (which they did) then it was their decision whether to release them when they wanted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:32:48 PM
oh dear - are you not on the list for information. What a pity.

you read too much negativity into everything.

If the police had them (which they did) then it was their decision whether to release them when they wanted.

So somebody has had them since late 2008, and the police have had them for "some years" too. But nobody ever used them for some reason until three weeks ago. What use are they now, years later?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:36:00 PM
So somebody has had them since late 2008, and the police have had them for "some years" too. But nobody ever used them for some reason until three weeks ago. What use are they now, years later?

and excellent question for the Portuguese Police.

remember my post about Amaral and the investigation into the Smith sighting?

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:36:52 PM
and excellent question for the Portuguese Police.

remember my post about Amaral and the investigation into the Smith sighting?

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?

It does indeed. But not about the Portuguese.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 03, 2013, 06:38:34 PM
and excellent question for the Portuguese Police.

remember my post about Amaral and the investigation into the Smith sighting?

It really makes you wonder doesn't it?

The Portuguese case was closed until a few weeks ago and is now progressing down different lines, so why should they have published them ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:39:13 PM
It does indeed. But not about the Portuguese.

Of course - why would you think of anything apart from kicking the Mccanns. You can't let the side down after all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:40:13 PM
The Portuguese case was closed until a few weeks ago and is now progressing down different lines, so why should they have published them ?

exactly. Why should they be interested. They closed the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:45:53 PM
Of course - why would you think of anything apart from kicking the Mccanns. You can't let the side down after all.

Well there you go. At all times their words in public have not been matched by their actions. The non-use of the e-fits is another apparent example of a lack of urgency that doesn't match the campaign's stated aim.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:47:44 PM
Unless they and the police know the e-fits are actually of no use.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:49:29 PM
Well there you go. At all times their words in public have not been matched by their actions. The non-use of the e-fits is another apparent example of a lack of urgency that doesn't match the campaign's stated aim.

poor you - maybe they will send you a personal letter.

Remember the Sunday Times article?

end of discussion I believe - although you will come back with more silly comments.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 03, 2013, 06:49:41 PM
So somebody has had them since late 2008, and the police have had them for "some years" too. But nobody ever used them for some reason until three weeks ago. What use are they now, years later?

Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 03, 2013, 06:51:50 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

There you go. Did Exton release them before to the McCann's?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:52:23 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

wrong wrong and wrong again - don't just read the bits you like.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:52:29 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

8((()*/ I hear you Cariad.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 06:53:15 PM
poor you - maybe they will send you a personal letter.

Remember the Sunday Times article?

end of discussion I believe - although you will come back with more silly comments.

Don't hold your breath 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 06:53:48 PM
There you go. Did Exton release them before to the McCann's?

so many contradictions in that article - but some people jumped on the little bits they liked.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 06:58:09 PM
Red posted a video of C4 news in which John Snow claims they were never handed to the police.

According to the ST article the SY had to get the fund to lift the legal restrictions before Exton could release the report and pics. I wouldn't just take it as a given that the police had them for some years.

Thats right perhaps some on here would like to email the correspondent! and question him....quite a hefty and more independent than many news channel btw....
 8((()*/



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 03, 2013, 07:10:17 PM
hey red - you could post the Brunt 100% dna match of Madeleine video whilst you are at it.


Why on earth wouldn't her DNA be in the car ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 03, 2013, 07:13:46 PM
hey - you all applauded the red tops for following the Sunday Times article.

I explained why.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 03, 2013, 07:17:14 PM



@)(++(* @)(++(* eeh ya couldn't make it up  8-)(--)

Indeed.

The made up abduction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 03, 2013, 07:18:45 PM
I explained why.

Id give up explaining anything  to IMPO...just one of those that has to have the last word....however stupid it is, cut your losses Id say
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 03, 2013, 07:29:04 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/440816/Did-panicking-kidnapper-plan-to-leave-injured-Madeleine-McCann-with-medics
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 07:40:18 PM
Well, that's simple.

The mccanns claimed abduction. Do you remember km's words outside the Portuguese court when the Portuguese reporter asked her and her spose what evidence there was of abduction ?

They weren't in the apartment were they when she 'disappeared' ?

So how do they know what happened to her ?

If they weren't there anything they said was supposition, without any foundation, and that assumes of course they told the truth in the first place.

and that is your proof.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: imustpointout on November 03, 2013, 07:51:35 PM
?{)(**

Anne since you are here on the news thread perhaps you would like to explain your comment about CdM please.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 04, 2013, 10:16:24 AM
The PJ were not unique, and of course they were liasing with the Uk police very early on.

Had the pj not been incompetent in the first place..uk police would not have had to be involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 04, 2013, 10:35:09 AM
Had the pj not been incompetent in the first place..uk police would not have had to be involved.

So why did the current Met chief praise the PJ in their investigation ???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 10:37:20 AM
So why did the current Met chief praise the PJ in their investigation ???

Politics, good manners and oiling the wheels.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 10:38:35 AM


So why did the current Met chief praise the PJ in their investigation ???

The Amaral investigation was incompetent because it failed to assess correctly either the dog alerts or the DNA findings.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2013, 11:05:43 AM
Politics, good manners and oiling the wheels.

 exactly..if he told the truth about what he really thought about the pj there would be chaos
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 04, 2013, 11:09:07 AM

The Amaral investigation was incompetent because it failed to assess correctly either the dog alerts or the DNA findings.
How do you know that Madeleine didn't die in the flat and therefore that the Amaral investigation was "incompetent" ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 04, 2013, 11:12:26 AM
exactly..if he told the truth about what he really thought about the pj there would be chaos

There's a reason they say "no media", and I'm completely sure about one thing - at times (especially in high profile investigations like this one) UK police wish they could say it too.

Hamish Campbell knows exactly the problems the Portuguese police faced.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 04, 2013, 11:13:23 AM
How do you know that Madeleine didn't die in the flat and therefore that the Amaral investigation was "incompetent" ?

More a case of believing, rather than knowing.

Only those involved in Madeleine's removal know what happened and to date, they're not saying.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 11:51:44 AM
How do you know that Madeleine didn't die in the flat and therefore that the Amaral investigation was "incompetent" ?

She could have died in the flat.


Separate to that the PJ over valued in one case and misinterpreted in the other, the available evidence. The dogs did not mean that a body was there and the DNA did not identify Madeleine' presence!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 04, 2013, 03:58:01 PM
No.

About half the stalls are run by sub-Saharan Africans.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 04, 2013, 04:00:28 PM
About half the stalls are run by sub-Saharan Africans.

But are half the people wandering around PDL black men?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 04, 2013, 11:00:08 PM
he went to prison in the 90s apparently for theft....like millions have....how many people have you heard of that steal kids to sell for their drug habit?
Quite nonsensical all in all IMO

 You do understand this is the incredible pj who are making the accusations
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: BigFatBlonde on November 04, 2013, 11:01:57 PM
Nah most people keep the sim and sell the phone .druggys are not aliens didn't his wife say it was hers anyway
So I'm sure she would know if it was him or not

So I'm a heroin user - I have made a few enemies (because I stole off them) and I owe my dealer some money. All these people know my mobile number. So I sell the phone but keep the SIM? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never experienced it.

N
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 04, 2013, 11:08:14 PM
So I'm a heroin user - I have made a few enemies (because I stole off them) and I owe my dealer some money. All these people know my mobile number. So I sell the phone but keep the SIM? I'm not saying it doesn't happen, just that I've never experienced it.

N

I've never tried heroin so can't say
It was his wife's phone anyway wasn't it so it wasn't sold

Sisters phone sorry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: BigFatBlonde on November 04, 2013, 11:14:34 PM
I've never tried heroin so can't say
It was his wife's phone anyway wasn't it so it wasn't sold

So his wife was there then? Or did he have her phone? How do they know it was him if it wasn't his phone?

This whole black heroin using child abductor thing just confuses me.

N
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 04, 2013, 11:27:29 PM
So his wife was there then? Or did he have her phone? How do they know it was him if it wasn't his phone?

This whole black heroin using child abductor thing just confuses me.

N

She said this
"I can consider myself lucky not to have been arrested because at the time I even lent him a mobile which was still in my name.





Eta it was his sisters phone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:31:00 PM
Hello to you all.....Does anyone find it strange the similarities of the email Prince Charles received, and the Latest reports about suspect (tractorman) ?  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 04, 2013, 11:34:21 PM
Hello to you all.....Does anyone find it strange the similarities of the email Prince Charles received, and the Latest reports about suspect (tractorman) ?  8-)(--)

Prince Charles is involved in a dramatic intervention in the Madeleine McCann case according to today's News of the World.

An anonymous e-mail sent to the prince's official website says the three-year-old Madeleine was kidnapped from the Mark Warner Ocean Club holiday resort in Portugal by a disgruntled ex-employee.

The informant named a maid who was sacked from the apartment complex in Praia da Luz and claimed she snatched the child in a revenge plot.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:38:24 PM
Its strange the press said Monteiro had a nickname........Toni  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 04, 2013, 11:41:03 PM
Why is this strange.. in some parts of the world every second man is called Toni  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 04, 2013, 11:42:55 PM
Charles Miranda
October 01, 2007 09:54am

AN anonymous tip-off to the Prince of Wales has sent UK police on an urgent hunt for a new suspect in the Madeleine McCann case.

The email - sent via Prince Charles' website - claimed a disgruntled former employee of the Portuguese resort where the toddler went missing, could be behind her disappearance.

It claimed Madeleine was abducted from the Praia da Luz apartment in revenge against the complex's owners.

It is understood police have confirmed the woman named in the email did work at the resort when Madeleine was last seen 150 days ago.

Royal aides have passed the email on to Scotland Yard, which is now trying to trace the author.

A police source told London newspaper The News of the World: "There have been hundreds of Madeleine theories, sightings and tips sent into UK cops from members of the public. But this one is different.

"It's incredibly detailed and so far, from the inquiries being made in Portugal, it appears to be based on factual events."

Police believe that the tipster entrusted the information to Prince Charles because he and wife Camilla came out in support of Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry.

In a statement released from Clarence House in May, the royal couple said they had been following the case "closely and with deep concern" and "fervently hoped" Madeleine would be reunited with her family.

The development came as another resort worker said they had seen a British tourist "hiding" in the stairwell just metres from the McCann apartment on the night Madeleine vanished.

"It was about 6pm on the day the little girl went missing. I saw this Englishman standing under the stairwell," the worker told the London Sunday Mirror.

"He was round-faced and stocky, wearing light clothes and positioned so that he was monitoring the (area). He was hiding and watching."

The worker was interviewed by police early in the investigation and has been reinterviewed.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:44:54 PM
I wonder who would have sent that email.....Strange one  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:47:05 PM
Why is this strange.. in some parts of the world every second man is called Toni  8)--))

Portugal or Cape Verde ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rachel Granada on November 04, 2013, 11:47:50 PM
Hello to you all.....Does anyone find it strange the similarities of the email Prince Charles received, and the Latest reports about suspect (tractorman) ?  8-)(--)

Welcome to the forum, Danamithar.  I recall the e-mail sent to HRH Prince Charles and yes it did seem to echo what we are hearing about the new suspect, however I am extremely sceptical of anything that appears in the MSM about the Madeleine case (lessons learnt from 2007).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 04, 2013, 11:50:24 PM
Portugal or Cape Verde ?

Not Portugal, but Italy for example  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 04, 2013, 11:51:45 PM
I wonder who would have sent that email.....Strange one  8-)(--)

Maybe a journalist >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:52:07 PM
Not Portugal, but Italy for example  @)(++(*

Dont give them any ideas.....the next suspect will be a pizza delivery man  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 04, 2013, 11:54:29 PM
Dont give them any ideas.....the next suspect will be a pizza delivery man  8(0(*
Dear god
 @)(++(*

And the ice cream man on the beach next

Welcome to the forum btw....

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 04, 2013, 11:57:26 PM
Dear god
 @)(++(*

And the ice cream man on the beach next

Welcome to the forum btw....

 @)(++(* Many Thanks....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:00:35 AM
Was tractor mans sister Paula the cleaner ?
He had her phone at the time .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:03:25 AM
Was tractor mans sister Paula the cleaner ?
He had her phone at the time .

you said it was his wifes phone before ...?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:06:54 AM
you said it was his wifes phone before ...?

I did edit it was his sisters
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:09:38 AM
I did edit it was his sisters

didn't see your edit  8()-000(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:09:43 AM
She said this
"I can consider myself lucky not to have been arrested because at the time I even lent him a mobile which was still in my name.





Eta it was his sisters phone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:10:49 AM
Actually she don't say it's hers she just says a phone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 12:10:57 AM
Was tractor mans sister Paula the cleaner ?
He had her phone at the time .

Funny you say that! I thought the same  8)--)) Especially when I saw her photo.. not sure why though..

No,. he had his sisters phone at some point. Not that time when Madeleine went missing.
That time, according to his sister, he sold the phone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:15:06 AM
I did edit it was his sisters

Monteiro's sister Paula claimed last night he may have sold the phone to someone else before Madeleine ... Speaking from her home in Argozelo, northern Portugal, she said: "Because of his mobile phone use, he was always swapping or selling his ...  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Danamithar on November 05, 2013, 12:15:33 AM
Seems Amaral dismissed it.....Wonder why, considering someone got our future king in the picture. Clarence House would be a strange contact dont you think ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 12:17:36 AM
Monteiro's sister Paula claimed last night he may have sold the phone to someone else before Madeleine ... Speaking from her home in Argozelo, northern Portugal, she said: "Because of his mobile phone use, he was always swapping or selling his ...  >@@(*&)
Because of his mobile use??? What does this mean?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:19:18 AM
Funny you say that! I thought the same  8)--)) Especially when I saw her photo.. not sure why though..

No,. he had his sisters phone at some point. Not that time when Madeleine went missing.
That time, according to his sister, he sold the phone.

She looked lie bundle man to me but he isn't real any more  >@@(*&)
She his half sister ? He is a lot darker than her
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:22:20 AM
Because of his mobile use??? What does this mean?

maybe because of what bigfatblonde said  ...druggies get rid of their phones every week or so  ...?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 12:24:37 AM
maybe because of what bigfatblonde said  ...druggies get rid of their phones every week or so  ...?

Why would the drug addict get rid of his phone so often?
I understand if he was a drug dealer, then the police is after him and he needs to get rid of the trail but the addict himself.. not sure why would he be getting rid of his phone..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:30:37 AM
Why would the drug addict get rid of his phone so often?
I understand if he was a drug dealer, then the police is after him and he needs to get rid of the trail but the addict himself.. not sure why would he be getting rid of his phone..


I don't know much about drug addicts tbh  ... but maybe if they owe the dealers money they get rid of their numbers  ...you will have to ask bigfatblonde  ..she seems to know .....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:35:37 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-family-vow-2675829#
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 05, 2013, 12:48:48 AM
reading where the sister paula says her brother was no where near when madeleine went missing  ...but she doesn't say how she knows or where he was at the time  >@@(*&)

eta not that I think it was him took madeleine ....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 05:59:02 AM

I don't know much about drug addicts tbh  ... but maybe if they owe the dealers money they get rid of their numbers  ...you will have to ask bigfatblonde  ..she seems to know .....

I know a bit about them. I worked in the community and taught simple cooking for GDAS, which is a unit for people recovering from Drugs and Alcohol use.

NOT ONE OF THEM OWNED A PHONE. Not one....they couldnt afford to.

The one guy who was addicted to Heroin told me it got so bad he could not even function each day all he thought about was how he would get his next fix. Even after about 9 months clean, he still looked a mess to be honest and you could see he had a rough life.

I am sure if this Monterio was a drug crazed heroin addict his wife would have noticed............

As to having phones, he probably did have phones to find work, and be there if someone had a job for him. He worked whenever he could whereever he could so having a phone would be important to him.....

Anyway i think this story has turned my stomach to be honest.

Since this sorry story started with the child going missing its turned into an XENOPHOBIC witch hunt.....

I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....

Wonder why? >@@(*&)

Oh yeh silly me he is white, and alive............
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 05, 2013, 06:31:25 AM
I know a bit about them. I worked in the community and taught simple cooking for GDAS, which is a unit for people recovering from Drugs and Alcohol use.

NOT ONE OF THEM OWNED A PHONE. Not one....they couldnt afford to.

The one guy who was addicted to Heroin told me it got so bad he could not even function each day all he thought about was how he would get his next fix. Even after about 9 months clean, he still looked a mess to be honest and you could see he had a rough life.

I am sure if this Monterio was a drug crazed heroin addict his wife would have noticed............

As to having phones, he probably did have phones to find work, and be there if someone had a job for him. He worked whenever he could whereever he could so having a phone would be important to him.....

Anyway i think this story has turned my stomach to be honest.

Since this sorry story started with the child going missing its turned into an XENOPHOBIC witch hunt.....

I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....

Wonder why? >@@(*&)

Oh yeh silly me he is white, and alive............

Don't be silly. Being a drug user does not mean that you are so disorganised you cannot maintain basics such as a phone. Many drug users acquire and retain a mobile.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 06:46:31 AM
Don't be silly. Being a drug user does not mean that you are so disorganised you cannot maintain basics such as a phone. Many drug users acquire and retain a mobile.

I am not being SILLY. I worked with drug addicts who were really bad, and all I said is not one had a MOBILE PHONE....

I was talking about real drug addicts not made up ones.

I know quite a few who have mobile phones but they also work and only use occassionally, they are not hard drug users, like we are to believe Monteiro was...aka DRUG CRAZED BLONDE SNATCHING CHILD KILLER.

OH have you worked with drug addicts?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 05, 2013, 07:43:00 AM
I am not being SILLY. I worked with drug addicts who were really bad, and all I said is not one had a MOBILE PHONE....

I was talking about real drug addicts not made up ones.

I know quite a few who have mobile phones but they also work and only use occassionally, they are not hard drug users, like we are to believe Monteiro was...aka DRUG CRAZED BLONDE SNATCHING CHILD KILLER.

OH have you worked with drug addicts?

Yes.

Most have mobile phones- one of the truisms of today's society is that the further down the social scale you are, the more likely you are to have a payasyougo simple phone- no one there can afford land lines. Very few drug users are so addled that they cannot maintain basic human functions such as communications.

You are talking a load of self-serving tosh.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 08:19:58 AM
Tractor man is the pj.s line of enquiry . And no doubt one of many sy have their own enquiry which are smith man
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 05, 2013, 08:23:35 AM
Tractor man is the pj.s line of enquiry . And no doubt one of many sy have their own enquiry which are smith man

Don't forget the other forty odd people of interest that they need to work their way through as well.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 05, 2013, 09:07:18 AM
I know a bit about them. I worked in the community and taught simple cooking for GDAS, which is a unit for people recovering from Drugs and Alcohol use.

NOT ONE OF THEM OWNED A PHONE. Not one....they couldnt afford to.

The one guy who was addicted to Heroin told me it got so bad he could not even function each day all he thought about was how he would get his next fix. Even after about 9 months clean, he still looked a mess to be honest and you could see he had a rough life.

I am sure if this Monterio was a drug crazed heroin addict his wife would have noticed............

As to having phones, he probably did have phones to find work, and be there if someone had a job for him. He worked whenever he could whereever he could so having a phone would be important to him.....

Anyway i think this story has turned my stomach to be honest.

Since this sorry story started with the child going missing its turned into an XENOPHOBIC witch hunt.....

I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....

Wonder why? >@@(*&)

Oh yeh silly me he is white, and alive............
I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....


Where did you get that from 'boss?   Who are you talking about?  please
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 09:09:21 AM
Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann have been made aware of the claims surrounding Monteiro but refused to comment on “the speculation”.

They remain confident their daughter is still alive and are fully backing a separate Scotland Yard investigation into her disappearance.

Meanwhile, Portuguese police continue to examine Monteiro, who emigrated to Portugal as a child from Cape Verde, off west Africa. They are investigating whether he may have been stealing from guests’ rooms at the Ocean Club to feed a heroin habit. Monteiro was convicted of theft in 1996 and served a jail sentence.

Portuguese police announced last month they were reopening their inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Former police chief Goncalo Amaral is due back in court in Lisbon today for the restart of his libel trial. He is being sued by the McCanns, both 45, of Rothley, Leicestershire.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 05, 2013, 09:21:23 AM
I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....


Where did you get that from 'boss?   Who are you talking about?  please

Is this the 'drifter' who is currently living in Kent?
 There was mention in one of the papers recently - I think he had been interviewed by police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 05, 2013, 09:24:21 AM
Is this the 'drifter' who is currently living in Kent?
 There was mention in one of the papers recently - I think he had been interviewed by police.
I seem to have missed some.  I dont know about him either.

Can you enlighten me please jassi?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 05, 2013, 09:29:57 AM
I seem to have missed some.  I dont know about him either.

Can you enlighten me please jassi?

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 11:31:12 AM
I NOTE THAT ANOTHER GUY WHO IS NOW LIVING IN BRITAIN (WHITE BRITISH), ALSO HAD HIS MOBILE PHONE PINGED IN THE SAME AREA AND YET NOT ONE PERSON HIS TALKING ABOUT HIM.....


Where did you get that from 'boss?   Who are you talking about?  please

Hi Sadie Paul Robinson.

Paul Robinson, 53, who lived in Portugal   until last December, was questioned after phone records put him near where Madeleine, then three, went missing. He lived a MILE AWAY .......

Detectives made him go through every call he made shortly after Madeleine vanished when they visited him at his UK home in June. Mr Robinson insisted he had "nothing to do with her disappearance" and has "nothing to hide."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 05, 2013, 11:33:21 AM
Seems the only difference with this guy and Monterio is.

1. One is black the other white.
2. One is dead the other alive..

Sorry for my cynicisim, but a drifter one mile away from the childs holiday home and no one is cutting his reputation to bits....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Seems the only difference with this guy and Monterio is.

1. One is black the other white.
2. One is dead the other alive..

Sorry for my cynicisim, but a drifter one mile away from the childs holiday home and no one is cutting his reputation to bits....

One was a thief /crackhead who was sacked and his employer warned of him
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:44:47 PM
Our boy did not snatch Madeleine McCann: Family of junkie suspect speak out

THE family of a suspect in the Madeleine McCann case yesterday said they know that he is innocent.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 5th November 2013
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DEAD: Suspect Euclides Montiero is the prime suspect of Portuguese police [MIRRORPIX]
“They are trying to make a dead man a scapegoat”
Luisa, Monteiro’s widow
Detectives in Portugal are convinced junkie Euclides Montiero was involved.

Police say signals from his phone show he was near the McCanns’ holiday flat when the three-year-old vanished in 2007.

But his family said the waiter swapped and sold mobiles to escape detection as he mixed with drug dealers.

His sister Paula said he must have passed the phone to someone else before Madeleine disappeared as she “knows” he was nowhere near at the time.

Police are probing if the 6ft 2in dad of two, who died in a tractor accident four years ago aged 40, snatched the youngster from the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz in a twisted act of revenge.

He had been sacked as a waiter there after stealing €5 from a till, and was suspected of raiding rooms to pay for drugs.

But the immigrant from west Africa does not resemble any police e-fits of suspects.
MISSING: Police are convinced it was Montiero who took Maddie from her bed [AP]
Paula said: “He was always swapping or selling his phones around that time.

“The phone isn’t proof he was near Madeleine McCann’s apartment. I know he wasn’t there.’’

Monteiro’s widow Luisa, who lives in Lagos with their 10-year-old son, was asked “question after question” about her late partner’s movements.

She said: “They are trying to make a dead man a scapegoat.”

Madeleine’s doctor parents Kate and Gerry, both 45, from Rothley, Leics, have declined to comment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 12:51:39 PM
KATE McCann told how she had suffered a “horrible unceasing pain” for six years since daughter Madeleine was “stolen”.

By Jerry Laughton/Published 4th November 2013
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Kate McCann has spoken about the nightmare her and her husband have gone through
The former GP said the abduction had plunged her family into a “nightmarish limbo” they would never escape until she is found.

Kate was launching a BBC Radio 4 appeal on behalf of charity Missing People, which helps families whose loved ones have vanished.

She said the organisation had been a “vital lifeline” for her since then three-year-old Madeleine vanished from the family’s Portuguese holiday apartment on May 3, 2007. Kate told listeners: “I cannot describe the impact that awful night had on our family or put into words how it feels to miss your child.

“When your child is missing you enter a new world of emotions which nothing can prepare you for.
Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007 [PA]
“When your child is missing you enter a new world of emotions which nothing can prepare you for”
Kate McCann
“The charity Missing People call it living in limbo.

“And until Madeleine is found we’re in this nightmarish limbo too.’’

She added: “For families like mine who use these services they are a vital lifeline.

“And by supporting them you’re a lifeline too.’’
Kate was launching a appeal for the charity Missing People on BBC Radio 4 [GETTY]
Kate, 45, revealed her agony as the family of new suspect Euclides Monteiro announced they would help the police investigation.

Portuguese detectives are trying to discover whether he snatched the youngster in an act of revenge after being sacked from a restaurant at the resort where the McCanns were staying.

Monteiro, who died four years ago aged 40 in a works accident involving a tractor, was fired for taking five euros from the till a year before Madeleine disappeared.

Mobile phone transmitter analysis is said to place him near the McCanns’ apartment on the evening she vanished.

His widow, who was asked “question after question” about his then-whereabouts by a Portuguese detective, insists he was innocent and plans to sue the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2013, 01:00:29 PM
One was a thief /crackhead who was sacked and his employer warned of him

I agree.. nothing to do with being black, it is his profile.. which doesn't mean he did it.. but needs to be investigated, especially if he was known to be stealing from the apartments, means he knew how to get in and was keen to to get in..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 05, 2013, 01:23:42 PM
I agree.. nothing to do with being black, it is his profile.. which doesn't mean he did it.. but needs to be investigated, especially if he was known to be stealing from the apartments, means he knew how to get in and was keen to to get in..

Tbh I never thought about colour . It's just one of many leads the police are checking
At least they are now checking people instead of cartoons
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 06, 2013, 11:31:25 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487987/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-suspects-Portuguese-detectives-didnt-abandon-case.html


Now the comments section makes interesting reading.

Now where is aiofe's overwhelming support of the Mccanns ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 06, 2013, 12:14:50 PM
I think it would be very interesting if the Daily Mail for example publishes the list of the countries these comments are mostly coming from..

I would bet it wouldn't be either Portugal or UK
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on November 06, 2013, 12:25:23 PM
I think it would be very interesting if the Daily Mail for example publishes the list of the countries these comments are mostly coming from..

I would bet it wouldn't be either Portugal or UK

When you sign on to the Daily Mail to comment you put what you want to say as to where you live.  If you read it much you will find (not on the McCann case necessarily but on other international matters) that there are often comments from people living in various parts of the USA.

For these comments, the places of residence given are:  Surrey, Halifax, Christchurch (New Zealand), London, Poole, Richmond, Exeter,  Durham, Lisbon, Gravesend, Addlestone and Liverpool.  To think that all these people are Portuguese or Brazilian emigrants is, frankly, farcical.  It almost competes with the other theories surrounding this case! 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 06, 2013, 12:33:28 PM
Look what happened when the Crimewatch appeal was made.

People ringing and clogging up the lines with their stupid 'Gerry did it'  claims.

That was an organised display of what the 'anti's' do.

TROLLS they were called in the paper if I remember.

They thought they were fantastic,   congratulating each other for it.

The same happens with the comments in the paper.

I for one saw the 'I'm in' response to it on twitter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 06, 2013, 01:41:29 PM
This topic has been edited.  Please note it relates to "latest" news about the Madeleine case.  Do not post old newspaper articles or blogs.

It is also against the forum rules to post comments found on other sites.  All such material will be removed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 06, 2013, 10:38:21 PM
This is the second time today that off topic posts have had to be removed from this thread.

This thread is reserved for LATEST NEWS about Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 07, 2013, 10:42:44 AM
Topics do drift as you can see on every topic on every forum
That's life
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 07, 2013, 11:14:59 AM
Topics do drift as you can see on every topic on every forum
That's life

that depends whos doing the drifting off topic  ....the news has gone quiet though... >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 08, 2013, 09:55:30 PM
Hi Sadie Paul Robinson.

Paul Robinson, 53, who lived in Portugal   until last December, was questioned after phone records put him near where Madeleine, then three, went missing. He lived a MILE AWAY .......

Detectives made him go through every call he made shortly after Madeleine vanished when they visited him at his UK home in June. Mr Robinson insisted he had "nothing to do with her disappearance" and has "nothing to hide."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html

I remember reading that too. maybe he had an alibi ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 08, 2013, 10:19:09 PM
Hi Sadie Paul Robinson.

Paul Robinson, 53, who lived in Portugal   until last December, was questioned after phone records put him near where Madeleine, then three, went missing. He lived a MILE AWAY .......

Detectives made him go through every call he made shortly after Madeleine vanished when they visited him at his UK home in June. Mr Robinson insisted he had "nothing to do with her disappearance" and has "nothing to hide."


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5239904/Scotland-Yard-cops-quiz-British-drifter-over-Maddie-case.html
Sorry, I missed this.  Thank you for taking the trouble to respond C'gey.

Any more news on it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:46:48 AM
The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman  - is he still a 'prime' suspect ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 09, 2013, 08:49:16 AM
The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman  - is he still a 'prime' suspect ?

At the moment Jassi, he appears to have disappeared into the ether as regards the papers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 09, 2013, 08:50:01 AM
The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman  - is he still a 'prime' suspect ?

The media seems to have gone very quiet on Tractorman - are the police investigating further?

Either formulation is possible.

Choose the one that suits your prejudices.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 09, 2013, 08:51:05 AM
At the moment Jassi, he appears to have disappeared into the ether as regards the papers.
Thank you for so quickly confirming my last post- do you think that it was a dead end, or are the police diligently investigating him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 09, 2013, 08:58:53 AM
Difficult to tell really. From the paper reports, he seemed an unlikely candidate to me, but if he was one of the 41 persons of interest, I guess he would need to be investigated, if only to eliminate from inquiries.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 09, 2013, 10:01:08 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2487987/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-suspects-Portuguese-detectives-didnt-abandon-case.html


Now the comments section makes interesting reading.

Now where is aiofe's overwhelming support of the Mccanns ?

Thank you for the link Stephen......Very interesting bit of news. I just knew there was more to it than the case just being abandoned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 09, 2013, 10:10:04 AM
Thank you for the link Stephen......Very interesting bit of news. I just knew there was more to it than the case just being abandoned.

McCann v Gonçalo Amaral libel hearing witness Ricardo Paiva.

GP – Do you know if the investigation was reopened later, with new information?

RP It wasn't formally reopened. However, several pieces of information arrived about possible places where Madeleine could be. Individuals also said they had information. All this was investigated and the proceedings were released to the Portimão Court.

SO – You stated that the facts in the book are in the investigation which you were part of. Was that up until the shelving of the process?

RP says "yes" and that, afterwards, he sorted out and worked on the incoming information.


SO – Was a work team constituted to process information?

RP says they were two officers for that job, both of them having knowledge about the case. The witness then alludes to the Scotland Yard review and says that the processed information was transmitted to the team that worked with SY.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2591.0


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 11, 2013, 12:03:52 PM
Oh, Coopermans been resurrected again




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‘Maddie’ weirdo targeted our kids
Scruff spotted by second Brit





Wanted ... cops' sketch of oddball

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EXCLUSIVE
By RYAN PARRY, GARY O’SHEA & JAMES BEAL
Published: 9 hrs ago

A SCRUFFY long-haired man tried to lure away a small child in Portugal just WEEKS before Madeleine McCann was kidnapped, a witness claims.






Missing for 6 years ... Madeleine McCann


He approached a British holidaymaker saying he was a charity collector — while a sinister accomplice watched from a short distance away.
Cops probing Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance now believe the man — also described by TWOother witnesses and similar to police images issued in 2008 — may be key to their investigation.
The Brit holidaymaker, who asked not to be named, said the drugged-up Portuguese man approached her and her five-year-old daughter in Vilamoura — 30 miles from where Madeleine was taken.
She said: “I knew there was something wrong with him, I just wanted to get away from him.
“I felt he was trying to usher us down a cobbled street.
“I could see his accomplice sitting a way away watching us. He was pretending that he wasn’t with the other guy, I could tell.”
The woman, from the North of England, later reported the incident to private detectives hired by Madeleine’s family.
They revealed a villa owner had reported thesame men trying to lure away his daughter in Vilamoura.
His sighting came a month before Madeleine was snatched from her Praia da Luz holiday apartment on May 3, 2007.



Sighting ... Gail Cooper


And The Sun has learned a THIRD witness has been quizzed three times by British detectives over her account of seeing a similar man.
Gran Gail Cooper saw a weirdo on the beach in Praia da Luz staring at a blond boy two days before Madeleine vanished.
The same man later knocked on her door collecting money for charity “for an orphanage”.
Gail, 56, of Newark, Notts, saw the oddball a third time lurking behind kids from a holiday complex.
She said: “He was very intimidating at my door. He kept waving his hands and staring. My grandchildren were in the pool. I just wanted him to go.
“It wasn’t until later that I made the connection to Maddie.”
Last month cops made a Crimewatch appeal to trace bogus charity workers seen around Praia da Luz.
One theory is that Madeleine was taken by an organised crime gang who “cased” her apartment in the days before.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Aiofe on November 11, 2013, 04:30:21 PM
Welcome back Aiofe, we've missed you !

I may not be quite the same.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 12, 2013, 03:32:49 AM
Prison officer sacked and four others disciplined after Madeleine McCann T-shirt stunt
By Tariq Tahir  Monday 11 Nov 2013 9:52 pm
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A prison officer was sacked and three others were fired for wearing ‘We Have Madeleine McCann’ T-shirts (Picture: PA)
A prison officer has been sacked and four others disciplined after photos of them wearing T-shirts saying ‘We Have Madeleine McCann’ during a drunken night out were posted on Facebook.

They were among at least seven staff on a ‘boys’ weekend’ when the images were taken.

The pictures were on Facebook for two months before being brought to the attention of their bosses at Wandsworth Prison, London.

But a colleague told Metro it was ‘despicable’ that some involved in the incident were still working at the jail. He said: ‘It makes me sick to think just because they work for the prison service that they should get away with this disrespectful behaviour.

‘If I was the mother or father of Madeleine McCann I would want to know about this.’


One officer was dismissed from their job at Wandsworth Prison over the T-shirts (Picture: PA)
The incident happened when the officers were ‘very drunk’ on a weekend away, he claimed.

The officer said printing slogans on Prison Service T-shirts about Madeleine, who went missing in Portugal in 2007, was a ‘disgusting act’. One senior officer has been dismissed, another remains suspended and three others received final written warnings.

Their code of conduct makes it a disciplinary offence to bring the prison service into disrepute through social media.

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: ‘Appropriate disciplinary action has been taken following an incident concerning a number of prison officers outside of working hours and away from the prison.’
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Myster on November 12, 2013, 06:11:34 AM
I wasn't aware that 14 year-olds could become prison officers these days... tut.. tut !  ?8)@)-)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 12, 2013, 10:22:12 AM
I wasn't aware that 14 year-olds could become prison officers these days... tut.. tut !  ?8)@)-)
looks like it doesn't it
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 12, 2013, 11:31:30 AM
ok if they have a gripe against the parents ...but whats their gripe against madeleine  ?8)@)-)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2013, 12:09:57 PM
I don't suppose they have a gripe - just something done in bad taste, probably  because they thought it funny or clever at the time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 12, 2013, 12:10:47 PM

Kate McCann continues to look for lost daughter Madeleine PIC: Reuters
Police officers trying to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann have strengthened a lead thanks to a new report by a British holidaymaker.

The woman, who does not want to be named, told how she and her daughter were approached by a man near to where Madeleine vanished in the weeks before the little girl's disappearance in 2007.

The woman's description of the stranger matches that given by two other witnesses in the holiday resort of Praia da Luz.

All three witnesses  said they had been "disturbed" by the encounter.


Sketch of suspect at centre of fresh lead in Madeleine McCann case
The anonymous mother said: "I knew there was something wrong with him. I just wanted to get away from him. I felt he was trying to usher us down a cobbled street.

"I could see his accomplice sitting a way away watching us. He was pretending that he wasn't with the other guy, I could tell," reported The Sun.

Her experience echoes that of Gail Cooper who was approached by a similar looking man. She claimed she was targeted while staying at the same resort as the McCanns.

Police interviewed her no less than three times about it. Cooper said: "He was very intimidating and staring. My grandchildren were in the pool. I just wanted him to go. It wasn't until later that I made the connection to Maddie."

The search for Madeleine was reopened by Portugese police in October with officers from Britain heavily involved in the operation.

To report problems or to leave feedback about this article, e-mail: d.gover@ibtimes.co.uk
To contact the editor, e-mail: editor@ibtimes.co.uk
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 12, 2013, 02:05:28 PM
Is this this cooper man ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 12, 2013, 02:57:55 PM
Is this this cooper man ?

Err yes, where have you been?


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 12, 2013, 03:27:32 PM
Err yes, where have you been?

Err living my life..you wanna try it instead living yours on the internet..:)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 12, 2013, 03:29:57 PM
Err living my life..you wanna try it instead living yours on the internet..:)

Ok so in six years following and posting on the case you have never come across this major piece,which featured widely in many places over years..... fair enough, I get the picture.....


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 12, 2013, 04:02:42 PM
Ok so in six years following and posting on the case you have never come across this major piece,which featured widely in many places over years..... fair enough, I get the picture.....


Ffs I was only checking because there's been that many.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2013, 04:10:25 PM

Ffs I was only checking because there's been that many.

I know what you mean - it all gets so confusing and difficult to keep up with suspect of the day.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 15, 2013, 07:37:31 AM
"Madeleine McCann: What really happened?" will be published in a handful of weeks...

Madeleine McCann's mother has been in the media spotlight lately, and her most recent comments seem to indicate that she's rather stressed out. Of course Kate says that she is losing sleep over the renewed investigation into her daughter's disappearance, but she seems to be attributing this to generally being the mother of a missing child.
"All you really want to do is disappear yourself," said the mother of the missing tot.
She reportedly apologized recently for having "a tricky couple of months," blaming her strange display of stress on simply having renewed hope in finding Madeleine. But can Kate really be trusted or believed when it comes to this entire case? It could equally be speculated that Kate's demeanor has nothing to do with "renewed hope" and has everything, instead, to do with "renewed anxiety" and fear of being found out by investigators.
Kate and Gerry McCann were suspects once in the disappearance of little Maddie, and former attorney-general (Portugal) Goncalo Amaral believes that the parents directly covered up the little girl's death. There has been a slew of evidence supporting Amaral's conclusion, including Kate's fingerprints on a window that she claimed was opened by an intruder. There is also the issue with the two sniffer dogs that alerted to several parts of the apartment, and the McCann's rental car -- in other words, indicating that someone might have bled or died in these areas.
Then there are the 48 questions that Kate refused to answer while being questioned about her daughter's disappearance. While this woman talks out the side of her neck about "the impact that a child going missing has on" there are still those questions that need answers. So, Kate, what really happened to Madeleine McCann and when is this farce of a "search" going to end?
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 15, 2013, 07:40:52 AM
Kate McCann reveals she's "exhausted" as renewed hope of finding daughter Madeleine means she can't sleep
14 Nov 2013 22:50
The 45-year-old gave an emotional insight into the horrific traumas of being the parent of a lost child - saying the unbearable pain made her want to "disappear herself"

 

"Exhausted": Kate McCann
PA
Kate McCann has told how the renewed hunt for missing daughter Madeleine has given her renewed hope, but also left her exhausted.

And the 45-year-old gave an emotional insight into the horrific traumas of being the parent of a lost child.

Kate said the pain was so unbearable, “all you really want to do is disappear yourself”.

The former GP told how she has endured a “tricky couple of months” and apologised for being “a bit sleep-deprived” when she spoke at a Missing People charity fundraising gala.


Renewed hope: Madeleine McCann
PA
 
Kate said: “What many people don’t know is the impact that a child going missing has on you, your family and all those who know your child. You need to know that all that can be done is being done and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Police have reopened their inquiry into Madeleine’s ­disappearance from her holiday apartment at Praia da Luz in May 2007, shortly before her fourth birthday.

A Crimewatch appeal last month resulted in an ­overwhelming response.

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Madeleine McCann: Mirror chief reporter Andy Lines retraces route of the prime suspect
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At the gala in London Kate, who is an ambassador for Missing People – a group led by Jo Youle – said: “The highs are when you think there is news. And the lows… the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened.”

But despite her and husband Gerry’s anguish, Kate spoke of her delight that a billboard campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing people.

She said: “It’s a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate told how every five minutes a child goes missing in the UK.

She added: “Thankfully the majority are found within 24 hours but a significant number are not. And so for these parents the pain continues, the agonising days and nights without news.”


 


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2013, 07:46:00 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-mccann-2793227#ixzz2khKLf4nL


A SUPREME IRONY.

A figurehead for a worthy cause, is the one along with her husband. who placed her oldest child in  unnecessary jeopardy in the first place.

You could not make this up.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 15, 2013, 08:39:26 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-mccann-2793227#ixzz2khKLf4nL


A SUPREME IRONY.

A figurehead for a worthy cause, is the one along with her husband. who placed her oldest child in  unnecessary jeopardy in the first place.

You could not make this up.

 8@??)( she and  gerry didnt care when maddie cried for them  and couldnt sleep did they??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 15, 2013, 11:38:52 AM
8@??)( she and  gerry didnt care when maddie cried for them  and couldnt sleep did they??

Since she was sleeping well 5 days after her daughter disappeared I guess her troubles now have little to do with Madeleine.

She is entering menopause; she is uncertain about her husband; she isn't anymore the "beauty"of the press; she is afraid of what this renewed investigation will reveal about her (them)... There are many reasons to loose your sleep, but I had expected it had happened much much earlier, when her daughter met a fateful destiny.

I am speculating, obviously. But as I don't get payed by the Madeleine Fund, I believe I'm free to expres my thoughts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 15, 2013, 11:41:35 AM
Since she was sleeping well 5 days after her daughter disappeared I guess her troubles now have little to do with Madeleine.

She is entering menopause; she is uncertain about her husband; she isn't anymore the "beauty"of the press; she is afraid of what this renewed investigation will reveal about her (them)... There are many reasons to loose your sleep, but I had expected it had happened much much earlier, when her daughter met a fateful destiny.

plus having to carry on knowing that her  actions  whatever they were that night contributed to  her daughter  vanishing into thin air
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 15, 2013, 12:09:41 PM


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 15, 2013, 01:25:06 PM
It wasn't me that made the McCann public figures, they did.

Once they exposed themselves to the public they have to accept what comes with it. Praise and criticism - that's how media exposure works.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 15, 2013, 01:30:40 PM

Once they exposed themselves to the public they have to accept what comes with it. Praise and criticism - that's how media exposure works.
They were taught how to use the media (for the good cause), they were very good pupils, they learnt in a nutshell. Unfortunately they weren't taught how to prevent the media to use them. Who taught them likely thought they had no secrets at all, would say everything they knew, answer all questions made by the police, rush to reconstruct, etc.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 15, 2013, 01:37:15 PM
They were taught how to use the media (for the good cause), they were very good pupils, they learnt in a nutshell. Unfortunately they weren't taught how to prevent the media to use them. Who taught them likely thought they had no secrets at all, would say everything they knew, answer all questions made by the police, rush to reconstruct, etc.


Too good pupils for their own good - if you allow the redundancy.

But they haven't tasted yet what the Media is capable of doing to/with them - the "silly billies" didn't learn anything. Look what the Media did to the most loved, the icon of the british press - Diana, the princess. What expects the McCann will be far more devastating, especially if they had anything to do with their daughters demise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 15, 2013, 05:32:12 PM
Reading the newest article about Kate's ups and downs, I got a feeling there is no much happening at the moment.
Let's hope there is a useful breakthrough very soon!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-mccann-2793227
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 15, 2013, 06:53:36 PM
Ah so we are not allowed to make personal posts about each other -but we can get personal about the McCanns. I see.
Means I cannot ask out right Luz have you had the menopause?

Is Carly allowed out by herself?

Mccanns are public figures.....what they put out the  public have a right of reply even if you dont like the reply.....they are not sacrosant you know....if you think they are who or what makes them so???

There is a child missing from that family, no one knows how it went missing, the PT authorities said they dont know what the  crime was, ergo the parents cannot be sacrosanct.....seeing as theyve never been cleared.....

Edited
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 15, 2013, 07:01:53 PM
Mccanns are public figures.....what they put out the  public have a right of reply even if you dont like the reply.....they are not sacrosant you know....if you think they are who or what makes them so???

exactly and it was their own actions who put them in the spotlight
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 15, 2013, 11:48:26 PM
Personal posts.

It should be remembered that most posters are anonymous.  If we made an exception for one member where would it all end.  Personal comments should be restricted to the personal messaging system.  TY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 16, 2013, 09:46:03 AM

Kate McCann was speaking at a Missing People charity fundraising gala (Reuters)
The mother of missing Madeleine McCann has spoken out about how the search for her daughter has left her exhausted has wanted to "disappear" herself.

Kate McCann apologised for being "a bit sleep-deprived" following a "tricky couple of months" when she spoke at a Missing People charity fundraising gala in London.

The 45-year-old said that while the reopened investigation into the search for her daughter has given her new hope, the experience had left her unable to sleep.

McCann added that at times the anguish of losing her child was so unbearable that "all you really want to do is disappear yourself".

Madeleine went missing from Praia da Luz in Portugal's Algarve in May 2007 when she was three years old.

Her mother told the gala: "What many people don't know is the impact a child going missing has on you, your family and all those who know your child. You need to know that all that can be done is being done and you need to know that the world hasn't given up."

The Metropolitan Police reopened their investigation into Madeline's disappearance following a request from the prime minister, David Cameron. Portuguese police confirmed that they would reopen their investigation five years after closed it, despite a fierce backlash against the decision.

Since the Met reopened their investigation, an e-fit of a man being sought as a matter of "vital importance" has been released. Detectives have received more than 2,400 calls and emails following a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of the day Madeleine disappeared.

Kate McCann, who is an ambassador for Missing People, also spoke of her delight that a poster campaign she had helped launch had led to finding 100 people who had been reported missing.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 16, 2013, 01:42:16 PM
If this all goes tits-up for the McCanns the Missing People Charity are in dire risk of being irreparably damaged by the association.  They should never have involved the McCanns to the extent they did in their organisation when the parents of a missing child were suspects in her disappearance.  It shows very poor judgment by an Organisation which openly solicits money from the public.  Maybe it is time we looked at them too??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 16, 2013, 02:15:24 PM
  Maybe it is time we looked at them too??

 8-)(--)

What do you mean by saying this?

Who are 'we' ? Why do you think we have a super power to 'look' at anyone?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on November 16, 2013, 03:33:31 PM
Well, I found it interesting that Martin Houghton-Brown, the former CEO of Missing People and the person who received a lot of flack for the appointment when Kate McCann became an ambassador, left in December 2012 for his "dream job" with Depaul UK
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 17, 2013, 12:13:29 AM
Well, I found it interesting that Martin Houghton-Brown, the former CEO of Missing People and the person who received a lot of flack for the appointment when Kate McCann became an ambassador, left in December 2012 for his "dream job" with Depaul UK

It would be quite unhealthy and in my opinion dangerously obsessive to think that everything what happens in this world is connected with the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 17, 2013, 01:38:28 AM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine

KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/kate_madeleine_mccann-443196.jpg)


The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/443196/Kate-McCann-Pain-won-t-end-until-we-find-Madeleine
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sandy on November 17, 2013, 01:42:01 AM
remind me guys?? 

when was the last time the mccanns did any searching in Portugal or anywhere else for that matter?  thought not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2013, 01:49:43 AM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine

KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/kate_madeleine_mccann-443196.jpg)


The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.

Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/443196/Kate-McCann-Pain-won-t-end-until-we-find-Madeleine


Oh Shock Horror!!   The Express are running out of sensational headlines to print about Madeleine McCann ahead of the big finale in Lisbon in ten days time.  I hope the judge doesn't accede to their bleating request to address the court as plaintiffs, they either go to Lisbon as witnesses and be questioned under oath or stay at home and savour their defeat while a million quid gets whooshed.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sandy on November 17, 2013, 01:55:53 AM
are you crazy angelo???  they will never give evidence in a court of law when every word is being reported by your very own anne guedes.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2013, 02:01:34 AM
are you crazy angelo???  they will never give evidence in a court of law when every word is being reported by your very own anne guedes.   

Good point Sandy.   There have been far too many revelations recently about the hidden e-fits and everything else for them to risk a showdown in a courtroom.  Not much chance of Kate going anyway with all that sleep deprivation.  Its all being choreographed very nicely imo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 06:41:15 AM
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post276543.html#p276543

!!

I dont have a sub, if anyone wants to do the honours lol

Eta
Here is this sundays concoction

A MAN on a motorbike tried to snatch a tot yards from where Madeleine McCann vanished only weeks later, The Sun on Sunday can reveal.
The goatee-bearded scruff drove up to four-year-old Tirna Duncan on a moped and reached out as if to grab her.

Tirna said he looked like the suspect who The Sun revealed was preying on kids in Portugal before Madeleine vanished in 2007.
When he tried to grab Tirna, her parents spotted the beast and yelled at him as they gave chase. He sped off, pulled over, shoved the moped in the back of a white van and drove off.


The Duncans gave details of the kidnap bid to the British Embassy and Irish police after they heard about three-year-old Madeleine.



Yet they have NEVER been quizzed by Portuguese or British detectives.
Mother Shauna, 42, from Londonderry, Northern Ireland said: “Maddie would still be here if he had got Tirna. If we hadn’t shouted, he would have lifted her.”
The Duncans saw the man lurking by their flat every day during their March 2007 stay in Praia de Luz and “up to 30 times” in all.
Mum-of-five Shauna said: “No matter what time I looked, he’d be there. He was watching our children.”
The family’s two teenage daughters ran when they spotted him following them.
A private detective did visit the Duncans and showed Tirna the sketch of the suspect. Shauna recalls her saying: “That’s the man who tried to get me.”
The Sun revealed on Monday that a man matching the suspect’s description tried to lure a five-year-old in Portugal weeks before Madeleine was kidnapped.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 17, 2013, 07:01:32 AM
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post276543.html#p276543

!!

I dont have a sub, if anyone wants to do the honours lol

I wouldnt bother The Sun newspaper is full of CARP. This will be just another one of those supposedly awful things that happen in PDL.

This is a post I put on Websleuths a few weeks back.

These are the young children missing in the South of Portugal nearto where the McCann child went missing...

The list of kidnappings in the South of Portugal includes the following:

- Rene Hasee, a boy age 6 and citizen of Germany, abducted in June 1996 while on the Amoreiras beach near-by the Atlantic Coast. Its felt the child could have drowned, been taken by his real father, OR disappeared into a quick sand type hole as he disappeared within seconds OF his mother seeing him.

- Joanna Cipriano, a girl age 7, abducted in 2004 in Figueira, located 7 miles from Praia da Luz. Her mother and uncle are doing time for her murder.

- Carolina Santos, a girl age 3, attempted abduction in Silves during 2006. See below.

- Madeleine McCann, a girl age 3, British citizen, abducted on May 3, 2007 in Praia da Luz.

Carolina Santos.

This has been defunked........

Diário de Notícias of May 25, 2007

A 30 years old man, from Morocco, threatened to kidnap the three year old daughter of a woman who rents a coffee-shop at Fonte de Luzeiros, between Silves and São Bartolomes de Messines." and that the "kidnap threat was made, last Tuesday".

See how there was no actual attempt at kidnapping Carolina Santos, only a threat, and that it all happened after Madeleine was snatched, not four months beforehand.

The Diário de Notícias goes on to say that the woman "filed a complaint with GNR from Silves the next day, and was contacted yesterday by investigators from Polícia Judiciária, to whom she told what happened." The newspaper then said that after "Talking with local residents" they "found that the man in question is a street seller and a well known trouble maker."

So far from "never being questioned" the family was questioned by both the GNR and the PJ, and what's more everyone knows who was responsible for causing the trouble in the first place just a drunk Moroccan street vendor who got into argument with a local cafe owner.

.................................................. ........

So since 1996 TWO cases of children missing in the area in SEVENTEEN YEARS. I still think from the research i read in germany as well that it was an accident some how for Rene sadly.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 10:52:16 AM
Tomorrows papers ,new leads are because she is alive

And I am Santa Claus in a bikini when I go to my private beach.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 17, 2013, 11:33:05 AM
remind me guys?? 

when was the last time the mccanns did any searching in Portugal or anywhere else for that matter?  thought not.

That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: LagosBen on November 17, 2013, 11:34:24 AM
That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.

Isn't it just Lace.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 17, 2013, 12:00:38 PM
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post276543.html#p276543

!!

I dont have a sub, if anyone wants to do the honours lol

Eta


A MAN on a motorbike tried to snatch a tot yards from where Madeleine McCann vanished only weeks later, The Sun on Sunday can reveal.
The goatee-bearded scruff drove up to four-year-old Tirna Duncan on a moped and reached out as if to grab her.

Tirna said he looked like the suspect who The Sun revealed was preying on kids in Portugal before Madeleine vanished in 2007.
When he tried to grab Tirna, her parents spotted the beast and yelled at him as they gave chase. He sped off, pulled over, shoved the moped in the back of a white van and drove off.


The Duncans gave details of the kidnap bid to the British Embassy and Irish police after they heard about three-year-old Madeleine.



Yet they have NEVER been quizzed by Portuguese or British detectives.
Mother Shauna, 42, from Londonderry, Northern Ireland said: “Maddie would still be here if he had got Tirna. If we hadn’t shouted, he would have lifted her.”
The Duncans saw the man lurking by their flat every day during their March 2007 stay in Praia de Luz and “up to 30 times” in all.
Mum-of-five Shauna said: “No matter what time I looked, he’d be there. He was watching our children.”
The family’s two teenage daughters ran when they spotted him following them.
A private detective did visit the Duncans and showed Tirna the sketch of the suspect. Shauna recalls her saying: “That’s the man who tried to get me.”

The Sun revealed on Monday that a man matching the suspect’s description tried to lure a five-year-old in Portugal weeks before Madeleine was kidnapped.

 8-)(--) LOL you couldnt make it up could you.

Man on moped goes to snatch girl, then what? Snatch girl, then pick up girl and moped and put in back of van, then go around to the front of the van locate key and drive off.

LURKING MAN seen watching family and you dont do anything...

And the private detectives I believe were METODO 3....

Just more rubbish dragged up.

Why?

Just what is going on. Its like we just have to been bombarded with creepy men, riding on mopeds, white vans etc.

FOLKS wake up for gods sake, a lot of pedophiles are friends you know, professionals, doctors, teachers etc, not necessarily creepy looking men with long hair driving a moped.

Jeez get real...lol

And teachers well thats scary especially with youngsters under 16.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/39783/

And workers in creches...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6258910/Nursery-paedophile-Vanessa-George-Ill-be-out-in-two-years.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 17, 2013, 12:03:45 PM
That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.

I must admit I agree with you.

We need LESS interferance by the McCanns not more, and let the police do their job.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 17, 2013, 12:05:43 PM
8-)(--) LOL you couldnt make it up could you.

Man on moped goes to snatch girl, then what? Snatch girl, then pick up girl and moped and put in back of van, then go around to the front of the van locate key and drive off.

LURKING MAN seen watching family and you dont do anything...

And the private detectives I believe were METODO 3....

Just more rubbish dragged up.

Why?

Just what is going on. Its like we just have to been bombarded with creepy men, riding on mopeds, white vans etc.

FOLKS wake up for gods sake, a lot of pedophiles are friends you know, professionals, doctors, teachers etc, not necessarily creepy looking men with long hair driving a moped.

Jeez get real...lol

And teachers well thats scary especially with youngsters under 16.

http://www.wnd.com/2013/11/39783/

And workers in creches...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/6258910/Nursery-paedophile-Vanessa-George-Ill-be-out-in-two-years.html



FOLKS wake up for gods sake, a lot of pedophiles are friends you know, professionals, doctors, teachers etc, not necessarily creepy looking men with long hair driving a moped.

No, All paedophiles are creepy looking men who hang around play parks wearing long brown over coats, wellington boots & nothing else.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: LagosBen on November 17, 2013, 12:06:02 PM
And we need the disappearance/abduction/ sightings, investigated fully and properly this time round.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 17, 2013, 12:11:08 PM
And we need the disappearance/abduction/ sightings, investigated fully and properly this time round.


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:05:26 PM
The only thing we need is the McCann to start telling the truth and asking their friends to do the same.

We are fed up of this circus.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 17, 2013, 01:15:21 PM
SY believe they are telling the truth Luz,   the Portuguese police are now following the abduction route are they not telling the truth?

End the circus,  end it by,  admitting that Madeleine was abducted,  that the McCann's told the truth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:20:28 PM
That is a ridiculous post.

How are the McCann's meant to search in Portugal?   Knock on doors?

The PJ are doing an investigation aren't they?

SY are doing an investigation.

The only way the McCann's have been able to search [as they don't know where Madeleine is]  is by following up sightings.

That post of yours is an example of the nonsense that is being spread about.

They could have. They stayed in Portugal from late April until early September (when they were made arguidos and when their testimonies could be more important).

Instead of searching they chose to keep a media profile: jogging, playing tennis, going to the pool and the beach, getting a nice tan for the photographs, attending their newly friends  get togethers, goiung to every possible Media that would have them, around the world,...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:23:20 PM
SY believe they are telling the truth Luz,   the Portuguese police are now following the abduction route are they not telling the truth?

End the circus,  end it by,  admitting that Madeleine was abducted,  that the McCann's told the truth.

SY is telling nothing - or I prefer they are telling nothing, or I would have to accept they are connivent with child abusers/neglectors/murderers....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:31:40 PM
Scotland Yard may be doing great efforts and may be deluding the public in order to get to the real culprits, but they have failed so much in the past that I choose to wait and see.
And I would like they stopped making themselves look stupid with Crimewatchers soap operas and silly Redwood declarations that declares zero.

So far the New Scotland Yard has behaved like a youth club about this matter,...sorry guys but that's what you look like.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 17, 2013, 01:40:44 PM
Scotland Yard may be doing great efforts and may be deluding the public in order to get to the real culprits, but they have failed so much in the past that I choose to wait and see.
And I would like they stopped making themselves look stupid with Crimewatchers soap operas and silly Redwood declarations that declares zero.

So far the New Scotland Yard has behaved like a youth club about this matter,...sorry guys but that's what you look like.

They do seem to have been quiet for a couple of weeks. That's how it should be - say nothing until arrests have been made, or until they admit to giving up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 17, 2013, 01:43:19 PM
Scotland Yard may be doing great efforts and may be deluding the public in order to get to the real culprits, but they have failed so much in the past that I choose to wait and see.
And I would like they stopped making themselves look stupid with Crimewatchers soap operas and silly Redwood declarations that declares zero.

So far the New Scotland Yard has behaved like a youth club about this matter,...sorry guys but that's what you look like.


like your precious pj failed 6 years ago..what do they look like..key stone cops spring to mind.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 17, 2013, 01:57:07 PM

like your precious pj failed 6 years ago..what do they look like..key stone cops spring to mind.

I don't think one can guarantee that SY will be any more successful.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on November 17, 2013, 01:57:25 PM

like your precious pj failed 6 years ago..what do they look like..key stone cops spring to mind.


Thanks for revealing yourself.

I am no supporter of police forces, whatever they are or wherever they operate. But in this case, if I had to choose I would stand by the PJ and not by NSY.


Amazingly it was the stone laboratory FSS that messed up...just saying....


The scotland yard prefers to shoot innocents, the pj gives opportunity for the guilty to escape justice....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif. on November 17, 2013, 02:02:36 PM

Thanks for revealing yourself.

I am no supporter of police forces, whatever they are or wherever they operate. But in this case, if I had to choose I would stand by the PJ and not by NSY.


The scotland yard prefers to shoot innocents, the pj gives opportunity for the guilty to escape justice....

revealing myself what you on about ?..and that's your choice..but I know who I would prefer and trust.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 17, 2013, 06:53:29 PM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine
KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.
By: David Pilditch and Tracey Kandohla Sat, November 16, 2013
0   
Kate McCann has spoken of her heartbreak at not finding Maddie [ PA]
The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.



Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

 


 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 06:56:14 PM
Two days old news posted several times before,on here, any new news?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 17, 2013, 07:26:31 PM
Kate McCann: Pain won’t end until we find Madeleine
KATE McCann has spoken of how her pain will never go away until she finds her daughter Madeleine.
By: David Pilditch and Tracey Kandohla Sat, November 16, 2013
0   
Kate McCann has spoken of her heartbreak at not finding Maddie [ PA]
The anguished mother spoke of “the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened” as she addressed a Missing ­People fundraising dinner.

On a positive note Kate, in her role as ambassador for the charity, revealed how a poster campaign she launched has helped find 100 missing children and adults.

The appeal on digital hoardings at rail and bus stations, sports venues and shopping centres across Britain, was started in July last year. The former GP, 45, of Rothley, Leics, told an audience on Wednesday at London’s ­Victoria and Albert Museum: “I am delighted to say that last week the 100th missing person featured on the digital billboards was found, a truly amazing achievement.”

Kate described her own family’s heartache since Madeleine vanished in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007, just days before her fourth birthday.

She told how the ordeal continued for her, husband Gerry and eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie.



Kate said: “You need to know that all that can be done is being done – and you need to know that the world hasn’t given up.”

Last month the search was boosted after Portuguese police relaunched their investigation into the little girl’s disappearance.

At the same time, a ­Scotland Yard team unveiled two e-fits of a new prime suspect.

Police received nearly 3,000 calls and emails after the images were shown in a Crimewatch special broadcast across Europe.

 


and the result of the calls has achieved ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 17, 2013, 07:45:32 PM

and the result of the calls has achieved ?

A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 07:53:53 PM
A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*

Matches the joke of the century...mm abduction
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 17, 2013, 09:01:23 PM
A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*
Isn't that expected when first you have a theory and then try to find evidence that will confirm it?
"When a child is reported missing the police must start from the strong possibility that someone who knows the child is responsible."  David Canter (The Times, 22.09.2007)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 17, 2013, 11:00:47 PM

and the result of the calls has achieved ?

Who knows
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 17, 2013, 11:28:16 PM
Who knows

Sy do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 12:37:49 AM
According to Kate's mood, I already said this, it looks like the SY investigation is not very fruitful.

But we also have a newly open PJ investigation and the fresh PJ team.. hopefully they reach somewhere..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 18, 2013, 12:42:12 AM
According to Kate's mood, I already said this, it looks like the SY investigation is not very fruitful.

But we also have a newly open PJ investigation and the fresh PJ team.. hopefully they reach somewhere..

What  the fk has kate mccanns mood to do with ANYTHING? She hasnt a clue what either  SY or PJ are doing...........thats why she cant sleep probs....  Get a grip wont you....sheesh...must log off from INSANE  inannities......
 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 01:28:53 AM
What  the fk has kate mccanns mood to do with ANYTHING? She hasnt a clue what either  SY or PJ are doing...........thats why she cant sleep probs....  Get a grip wont you....sheesh...must log off from INSANE  inannities......
 @)(++(*

Please be respectful. You are in a bully mood again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 18, 2013, 01:38:54 AM
Please be respectful. You are in a bully mood again.

'Respectful'  to whom  ?  ...  the McCanns ? 

Red makes a valid point

The McCanns are almost certainly  'out of the loop'  at this point  ...  and that would be stressful indeed,  given that being in control of events and agendas has always been crucial to them,  and those employed by them
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 01:53:40 AM
To me and to the McCanns.. is that hard?

The respect is kind of thing you learn at home at early age... you wouldn't talk in real life with rude people.. why should this be tolerated on the net?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 18, 2013, 02:19:57 AM
To me and to the McCanns.. is that hard?

The respect is kind of thing you learn at home at early age... you wouldn't talk in real life with rude people.. why should this be tolerated on the net?

If you feel a member has been disrespectful to you,   personally,  then certainly you have a right to to take exception

...  but to insist that members are  'respectful'  of the McCanns  ?

You must appreciate,  VIXTE,  that there are are members here who feel the McCanns behaviour has been shameful ...  there are, indeed,  members here who suspect the McCanns  may have been involved in their missing child's disappearance

In those circumstances,  to  demand that those members  show  'respect'  to the parents of the little girl who vanished is just silly 

There are members of this forum who do  NOT  'respect the McCanns  ...  they may feel sympathy  or pity  (  or not )  but they do not feel respect

That is their prerogative
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2013, 03:30:17 AM
IMO harassing parents of a missing girl on this level ..WHEN you are told they are not suspect by the relevant authorities who are professionals at least .. this is one of the biggest sins one can do on this Earth..
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I am that much poisoned with this awful kind of disgusting energy.
And in name of what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 08:11:05 AM
IMO harassing parents of a missing girl on this level ..WHEN you are told they are not suspect by the relevant authorities who are professionals at least .. this is one of the biggest sins one can do on this Earth..
I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I am that much poisoned with this awful kind of disgusting energy.
And in name of what?


Tell me 'VIXTE'  who is responsible for what happened to Madeleine ?

The Mccanns and nobody else hold responsibility for what happened to Madeleine.

We are now paying for their incompetence as parents, through the investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 08:34:20 AM
A big fat ZERO !!

What about the guy whom two people phoned in about and positively identified?   Must be yet another blind alley.  Crimewatch is starting to look really stupid.

3000 calls and e-mails and not a single collar.  Must be the flop of the century.   @)(++(*

Err,   you know this how?

SY will not be giving a a-z of their investigation to us the public.

You would like to think it was a flop by the sound of it.    Any reason why you wish SY to fail?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 08:36:43 AM

Tell me 'VIXTE'  who is responsible for what happened to Madeleine ?

The Mccanns and nobody else hold responsibility for what happened to Madeleine.

We are now paying for their incompetence as parents, through the investigation.

Here we go back to the 'leaving the children alone'.      It's Madeleine the focus should be on Stephen,   an abductor took her,    this person is still out there.

You wish to stay in a groove  where you keep shouting about Madeleine left alone.

WE KNOW!!!    Move on!!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 08:52:16 AM
Here we go back to the 'leaving the children alone'.      It's Madeleine the focus should be on Stephen,   an abductor took her,    this person is still out there.

You wish to stay in a groove  where you keep shouting about Madeleine left alone.

WE KNOW!!!    Move on!!!

Of course you know.

Meanwhile where is the proof of abduction ?

As we have seen through the crimewatch program, it has come to nothing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2013, 09:05:22 AM
Of course you know.

Meanwhile where is the proof of abduction ?

As we have seen through the crimewatch program, it has come to nothing.

I imagine the the Crimewatch program has generated an enormous amount of paperwork, most if not all of which will be totally useless, but must be processed. This takes time and manpower which might be better spent elsewhere.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 09:05:57 AM
Of course you know.

Meanwhile where is the proof of abduction ?

As we have seen through the crimewatch program, it has come to nothing.

Ask SY and the PJ.

Do you know why I think you keep going on about the McCann's leaving the children?

It's because you have lost the argument about the McCann's faking abduction and hiding Madeleine's body.   You have lost that argument and the only thing you can think of that they have done wrong is to leave the children alone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 09:15:25 AM
Ask SY and the PJ.

Do you know why I think you keep going on about the McCann's leaving the children?

It's because you have lost the argument about the McCann's faking abduction and hiding Madeleine's body.   You have lost that argument and the only thing you can think of that they have done wrong is to leave the children alone.

i.e. nothing has come to light to prove abduction.

Without abduction, let alone proof of it, the blame for Madeleine's disappearance goes to where it belongs.

Now tell me exactly, after 6 and a half years, and not one trace of Madeleine, what next ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2013, 09:16:37 AM
 I can't see that anyone has won or lost any argument. No one, including two police forces,  has any real idea what happened to Madeleine - all are working on one unsupported theory or another.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 09:54:55 AM
i.e. nothing has come to light to prove abduction.

Without abduction, let alone proof of it, the blame for Madeleine's disappearance goes to where it belongs.

Now tell me exactly, after 6 and a half years, and not one trace of Madeleine, what next ?

Nothing has come to light to prove abduction unquote   says Stephen an armchair detective.    Say that to SY and the PJ why don't you.

SY and the PJ are investigating,    lets see what happens there shall we.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 10:01:05 AM
Nothing has come to light to prove abduction unquote   says Stephen an armchair detective.    Say that to SY and the PJ why don't you.

SY and the PJ are investigating,    lets see what happens there shall we.


6 and a half years of nothing...................................................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 10:04:08 AM

Tell me 'VIXTE'  who is responsible for what happened to Madeleine ?

The Mccanns and nobody else hold responsibility for what happened to Madeleine.

We are now paying for their incompetence as parents, through the investigation.

Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 18, 2013, 10:10:24 AM
Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.

Why is abduction the only logical scenario ?

The forensics in the apartment were inconclusive, no more, no less.

No evidence/proof was found by the PJ of this.

Why did Madeleine's parents leave children in an unlocked apartment ( or so they claim ) for several nights in a row, in a foreign country, they did not know ?

Seeing a man carrying a child in his arms does not prove abduction.

Don't forget the Tanner sighting, which has been dismissed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 18, 2013, 10:19:59 AM
Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.

There are actions which society considers acceptable. Letting your children play outside your house, going for a walk with siblings. Then there are behaviours which are considered unacceptable, leaving your children alone at night in an unlocked apartment.

Most people have allowed their kids certain freedoms. I remember the day I first allowed my sons to go to the park without me. You can see the park from the back bedroom window in our house and they went with the neighbours children who were in their teens. My elder boy, who was 8 at the time, was given a watch and told to come home every 15 minutes to let me know they were ok.

It wasn't fun for me. It was a quite horrible experiance. I spent a large portion of those 15 minutes leaning out of the upstairs bedroom window to get a beeter view of the corner of the park where they were playing football. I let them do it though because it was fun for them. It was important to them to have a little independence from me.

Part of the reason I find the idea of leaving the children alone, asleep at night is because it was such a selfish act. It was for the parents benefit entirely. They took a risk with their children because  wanted time to themselves. That just seems wrong.

Just to clarify, I see nothing wrong in 'me' time for parents, or occasionally doing something selfish. I've left my kids with my parents when they haven't wanted me to go out. I had a holiday without them last year (the most selfish of selfish acts!) but I never took a risk that wasn't to their benefit.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 18, 2013, 10:32:58 AM
There are actions which society considers acceptable. Letting your children play outside your house, going for a walk with siblings. Then there are behaviours which are considered unacceptable, leaving your children alone at night in an unlocked apartment.

Most people have allowed their kids certain freedoms. I remember the day I first allowed my sons to go to the park without me. You can see the park from the back bedroom window in our house and they went with the neighbours children who were in their teens. My elder boy, who was 8 at the time, was given a watch and told to come home every 15 minutes to let me know they were ok.

It wasn't fun for me. It was a quite horrible experiance. I spent a large portion of those 15 minutes leaning out of the upstairs bedroom window to get a beeter view of the corner of the park where they were playing football. I let them do it though because it was fun for them. It was important to them to have a little independence from me.

Part of the reason I find the idea of leaving the children alone, asleep at night is because it was such a selfish act. It was for the parents benefit entirely. They took a risk with their children because  wanted time to themselves. That just seems wrong.

Just to clarify, I see nothing wrong in 'me' time for parents, or occasionally doing something selfish. I've left my kids with my parents when they haven't wanted me to go out. I had a holiday without them last year (the most selfish of selfish acts!) but I never took a risk that wasn't to their benefit.


I know what you are saying Cariad,   it was wrong of them to leave the children alone it was something I never did,   my eldest was nine before I even let her walk to the corner shop alone and then I had the urge to follow her.

I must admit my children were not allowed to play outside on their own at age five [April's age]   and definitely not almost two [Ben's age]   but I do not slag the parents off for this,  to me it is a decision they made and one they have to live with,  the same with the McCann's.   I feel that people who keep bringing this up constantly as a means to kick parents when they are down are just wanting to add to the grief they are experiencing  for the loss of  their children.

What I am saying is,   Madeleine should have been safe in her own bed in the apartment safe from anyone coming to abduct her.   

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 19, 2013, 12:26:02 PM
Reading that post of yours Stephen can I ask you a question?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Sarah Payne?   the parents who left her to play in a cornfield with her siblings?

Who is responsible for the abduction of April Jones?   the parents for letting her play outside?

Who is responsible for the abduction of Ben Needham?  the grandmother who took her eyes off him whilst he played by himself outside?

Of course not.    Sarah should have been safe to walk the short distance to the house of her Grandparents.

April should have been safe to play on her bike outside.

Ben should have been safe playing outside his Grandparents home.

Madeleine should have been safe tucked up in bed in the apartment.

If Sarah Payne's son had not seen that white van there would have been no evidence of abduction.

If April's friend had not seen April get into that car there would have been no evidence of abduction.

No one saw Ben being taken,  there has been no body found.   The most likely scenario is that he was abducted.

Despite a huge search, Madeleine's body was not discovered.     Witnesses saw a man carrying a child who resembled Madeleine in every way.  The most likely scenario is that Madeleine was abducted.

Thats a very fair post Lace.

Ben Needham we have no body so like you say we cant prove abduction, he could have wondered off and got into trouble we will probably never know.

The only thing i will say is Maddy was not SAFE tucked up in her apartment. By her own parents mouths they said the doors were unlocked for ease of access when checking her.

The fact she was left on her own every night with her two siblings would not for me put her into the hands of an abductor no way, it would make me feel more that she could have harmed herself etc. Abduction would be the last thing on my mind.

Same as Aprils mum and Sarahs mum. The children were just being children. More children are killed on the road then abducted, more children are drowned in swimming pools and rivers then abduction.

The last thing on your mind is abduction when the children are out playing. You have to give them some freedom, you cant sadly keep them safe all the time. You cant possibly know that at the exact time they went out, they would be found by pedophiles. Its so rare you would just not think it.

All you can do now in life is try to keep your children as safe as you can. Leaving them alone in an unlocked apartment is not keeping them safe not in my eyes anyway.

When my children were growing up long time ago now, I NEVER let them out of my sight. They were only ever allowed the run of the garden and my house was always full of kids from the neighbours lol.

I nearly lost my youngest daughter through a mistake by my hubby a simple lapse, and that was it for me.

I wasnt NEVER worried about them being abducted, but of being run over on the street or harmed in some way.

The one thing hopefully that has come out of this terribly sad case of Madeliene is it has made people think a bit more about child safety.

For me yes I agree with you the child could have been abducted but it doesnt always have to be by pervy looking strangers no way.

Will we ever know, i am not sure we will. IF you look at Sarah and April and Jessica and Holly they all died but thankfully the perbs were caught. Also the recent one of the poor lass in the attic. I noted that two of these men got their ideas from the Internet.

I hope that perhaps the Government will now make it harder for perverts to access foul images of children.

Lets hope so.

I hope we never loose another child to a pervert but sadly i dont hold my breath.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 19, 2013, 12:57:20 PM
"Had Madeleine been specifically targeted, either for herself or because someone knew that apartment 5A would be a breeze to raid? Not only did its corner position allow for easy access and escape, but, unlike many other residences, it had no protective wrought-iron bars at the windows and no security light."

Madeleine by kate mccann.

Judge a person by their own words.........................

So there is NO EXCUSE FOR WHAT SHE AND HER HUSBAND DID.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 25, 2013, 08:44:41 PM
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.tv/schedule

Plus, Stephen Birch - Digging for Madeleine campaign: South African businessman gives an in-depth interview via skype from SA. He has spent £50,000 so far investigating the disappearance of the British toddler. He believes she is buried under the drive-way of Robert Murat, the first suspect in her disappearance.

is there any sensible rational or other reason why this man is not a lunatic?

i started an old thread here worth a listen to him lol

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2032.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 25, 2013, 08:49:51 PM
Is that David Icke's channel? They had Birch on? 8()-000(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 25, 2013, 08:53:37 PM
Is that David Icke's channel? They had Birch on? 8()-000(

The very same. Lyall.

I wonder why he doesn't ask Amaral himself, how he planted cadaver in the McCann's car. Seems he only says anything when he's not in Portugal. I can't believe anyone would want to post his crazy beliefs.

Spent 50,000? On a bloody lawn mower with big wheels  @)(++(* @)(++(*

I thought the white coat brigade had picked him up, months ago.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 25, 2013, 08:54:02 PM
Is that David Icke's channel? They had Birch on? 8()-000(

Eeeek!!!
 8()-000(
 @)(++(*




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 25, 2013, 09:00:40 PM
8)--)) I'm going to tune into the Live Phone In later (23.15). It should be fun, in a talk radio kind of way.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 25, 2013, 09:11:25 PM
Maybe they'll be discussing this case >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 07:59:24 AM
8)--)) I'm going to tune into the Live Phone In later (23.15). It should be fun, in a talk radio kind of way.

I just couldn't bring myself to watch/listen to anything that had David Ike involved.....

Did you? Kudos if you did, for taking one for the team so to speak....

What happened?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 26, 2013, 08:06:51 AM
I just couldn't bring myself to watch/listen to anything that had David Ike involved.....

Did you? Kudos if you did, for taking one for the team so to speak....

What happened?

I wonder if the lizards rang in. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 08:11:20 AM
I wonder if the lizards rang in. @)(++(*

That'll be the Christmas special  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 26, 2013, 02:42:33 PM
I just couldn't bring myself to watch/listen to anything that had David Ike involved.....

Did you? Kudos if you did, for taking one for the team so to speak....

What happened?

No, I forgot 8)--))

But they have a phone-in every night. I'll give it a go tonight.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 26, 2013, 05:15:02 PM
Sonia Poulton has Stephen Birch on last evening, and Michael Shrimpton is on right now >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 08:56:12 PM
No, I forgot 8)--))

But they have a phone-in every night. I'll give it a go tonight.

You're a star!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 26, 2013, 09:50:52 PM
Hi Cariad, I think you need to 'view' all sides of an argument, be they mainstream or extreme, to come to a 'purely independent' conclusion of one's beliefs !
David Icke can be very extreme as can people who contribute to his website and, now, his webcasted 'news' site, by the same token the people who contribute viewpoints on social media, mainstream media and fora/blogs also have to be taken with the same pinch of salt !
The only people who make the news are those who create the news !

Do I have to watch David Ike? I read 'Them' adventures in extremism by John Ronson which featured Mr Ike, does that count?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 26, 2013, 10:01:45 PM
Hi Cariad, I think you need to 'view' all sides of an argument, be they mainstream or extreme, to come to a 'purely independent' conclusion of one's beliefs !
David Icke can be very extreme as can people who contribute to his website and, now, his webcasted 'news' site, by the same token the people who contribute viewpoints on social media, mainstream media and fora/blogs also have to be taken with the same pinch of salt !
The only people who make the news are those who create the news !

Be Part of the Heard, Not the Herd ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on November 27, 2013, 08:58:16 AM
I do enjoy Jon Ronson's writing and yes I did enjoy 'Them' !
Have you read 'The men who stare at goats' ? Smack, bang, wallop into D.I. territory !

Yep, and The Psychopath test. I've loved all his books.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 27, 2013, 01:04:12 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2013, 02:49:59 PM
The Metropolitan Police wants to set up a "joint investigation team" with the Portuguese authorities into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on November 27, 2013, 02:57:39 PM
The Metropolitan Police wants to set up a "joint investigation team" with the Portuguese authorities into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643

Jolly good stuff.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 02:58:52 PM
The Metropolitan Police wants to set up a "joint investigation team" with the Portuguese authorities into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25124643

Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said the force was seeking agreement for the team from the UK and Portuguese governments.

He said it would be more effective than the current "ad-hoc" approach to working together.


"Ad-hoc" >@@(*&) Yes, Bernard, the Portuguese police probably weren't too impressed with the rogatory processes in 2007/8 either. But nobody in the UK suggested a "joint investigation" then did they.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on November 27, 2013, 03:00:50 PM
Met Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said the force was seeking agreement for the team from the UK and Portuguese governments.

He said it would be more effective than the current "ad-hoc" approach to working together.


"Ad-hoc" >@@(*&) Yes, Bernard, the Portuguese police probably weren't too impressed with the rogatory processes in 2007/8 either. But nobody in the UK suggested a "joint investigation" then did they.

Why are you assuming Ad Hoc is a derogatory term? It seems a perfectly accurate one for the present working relationship.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2013, 03:03:54 PM
Why are you assuming Ad Hoc is a derogatory term? It seems a perfectly accurate one for the present working relationship.

What is the present working relationship?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:05:39 PM
Why are you assuming Ad Hoc is a derogatory term? It seems a perfectly accurate one for the present working relationship.

Where is the mention in the article of the legalities of the rogatory processes? In 2007/8 Portuguese police had to proceed in the correct legal manner, and so do British police now. Using terms like "ad-hoc" is dumbing down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on November 27, 2013, 03:09:20 PM
Where is the mention in the article of the legalities of the rogatory processes? In 2007/8 Portuguese police had to proceed in the correct legal manner, and so do British police now. Using terms like "ad-hoc" is dumbing down.

It isn't dumbing down. It's perfectly accurate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:11:30 PM

What does "ad-hoc" mean?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:12:06 PM
It isn't dumbing down. It's perfectly accurate.

We shall have to agree to disagree there ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:20:55 PM
What does "ad-hoc" mean?

It means he doesn't want to use the word legal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 27, 2013, 03:21:04 PM
It's come full circle. They are officially joining together as one investigation team and will be homing in on Smithman IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 27, 2013, 03:25:23 PM
What does "ad-hoc" mean?

it means there is no precise agreement
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:27:39 PM
It means he doesn't want to use the word legal.

So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:29:14 PM
it means there is no precise agreement

You do realise the Portuguese will be wondering why this is only being proposed six and half years later don't you? Any thoughts on that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:34:36 PM
So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

I've seen another news article now, and there are more words from the Commissioner. But he still doesn't use the word 'rogatory' or the words 'EU law'.

So you can be forgiven for thinking British police don't like the slowness of the bureaucratic (i.e. legal) process. But neither I expect did the Portuguese police in 2007/8, but nobody in the UK media cared about that then did they.

There are good reasons why people are cynical, Eleanor.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 27, 2013, 03:44:48 PM
Sonia Poulton has Stephen Birch on last evening, and Michael Shrimpton is on right now >@@(*&)

Seriously? That should be... erm, illuminating.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:45:04 PM
You do realise the Portuguese will be wondering why this is only being proposed six and half years later don't you? Any thoughts on that?

Times they are a changing.  The UK tried too bloody hard not to step on anyone's toes.  This in itself was a disgrace.  Four years before they actually did anything.
Madeleine is a British Citizen, missing abroad.  She deserved so much better than a botched investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 03:50:37 PM
I've seen another news article now, and there are more words from the Commissioner. But he still doesn't use the word 'rogatory' or the words 'EU law'.

So you can be forgiven for thinking British police don't like the slowness of the bureaucratic (i.e. legal) process. But neither I expect did the Portuguese police in 2007/8, but nobody in the UK media cared about that then did they.

There are good reasons why people are cynical, Eleanor.

Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:56:14 PM
Times they are a changing.  The UK tried too bloody hard not to step on anyone's toes.  This in itself was a disgrace.  Four years before they actually did anything.
Madeleine is a British Citizen, missing abroad.  She deserved so much better than a botched investigation.

So why is it we never see any of this indignation about the policy of successive UK governments? Or about the performance of the UK police since 2011?

All we ever see is the relentless criticism of one individual - Mr Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 27, 2013, 03:57:24 PM
Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

Were any rogatory requests submitted during Team Amaral's tenure?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 03:59:18 PM
Cynical about what?

You need to understand the importance of CORRECT Rogatory Applications, no matter who instigates them.
The Portuguese didn't even know that Southern Ireland is not part of The UK, so heaven knows how many other mistakes they made initially.

I do understand the importance of them. I'm sure the Met Commissioner does too. But when he speaks in public he doesn't mention them, and neither does the media. At best that's dumbing down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:04:38 PM
So why is it we never see any of this indignation about the policy of successive UK governments? Or about the performance of the UK police since 2011?

All we ever see is the relentless criticism of one individual - Mr Amaral.

Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 04:10:18 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Read other books than just that one, Eleanor. When a child disappears without any trace, police everywhere - Portugal, UK, US, and everywhere else - always suspect everyone: the child's parents included.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 27, 2013, 04:11:01 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.

Successive UK Governments are by the by. Whoever they are they are still The Government.

No one knows what The UK Police have discovered.

Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 27, 2013, 04:12:11 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?

Comprehensively.
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:15:48 PM
Were any rogatory requests submitted during Team Amaral's tenure?

I don't think so.  So not possible to blame Amaral for that cock up, presuming that they made more mistakes than the Southern Ireland mistake.
But no further application was made to reinterview The Smiths, which would suggest that The Portuguese Investigation at that time did not think that The Smith's testimonies would add anything at all.
And nor do I, as it happens.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 27, 2013, 04:19:27 PM
I don't think so.  So not possible to blame Amaral for that cock up, presuming that they made more mistakes than the Southern Ireland mistake.
But no further application was made to reinterview The Smiths, which would suggest that The Portuguese Investigation at that time did not think that The Smith's testimonies would add anything at all.
And nor do I, as it happens.

I'm not sure exactly at what point it was determined that there should be rogatory inerviews.

My impression is at some point during Rebelo's tenure in charge.

Might be wrong on that, though ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:23:14 PM
I do understand the importance of them. I'm sure the Met Commissioner does too. But when he speaks in public he doesn't mention them, and neither does the media. At best that's dumbing down.

Why?  This is just legallities.  Get it right or go away and try again.

This has nothing to do with The Met or The Media.

You cannot question a Citizen of Eire by applying to The UK.  It really is that simple.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:30:08 PM
I'm not sure exactly at what point it was determined that there should be rogatory inerviews.

My impression is at some point during Rebelo's tenure in charge.

Might be wrong on that, though ...

No, you are not wrong.  It was Rebelo.  And certain members of The Current PJ Investigation did come to England at that time.  But they left in a hurry when yet more leaks were going on.  So much for Secrecy.
The whole thing was a farce.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 27, 2013, 04:33:37 PM
Why?  This is just legallities.  Get it right or go away and try again.

This has nothing to do with The Met or The Media.

You cannot question a Citizen of Eire by applying to The UK.  It really is that simple.

The question of greater interest to me than the error in sending a rogatory letter to the wrong pariiament is why it wasn't rectified.

I think, most likely, because it was judged Mr Smith was not, after all, such a crucial witness.

That might have been a wrong call ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 04:47:44 PM
The question of greater interest to me than the error in sending a rogatory letter to the wrong pariiament is why it wasn't rectified.

I think, most likely, because it was judged Mr Smith was not, after all, such a crucial witness.

That might have been a wrong call ...

I think that this is what I said.  Mr Smith being alone in his assumption.

Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

But I do most sincerely hope that Mr. Smith will be able to forgive himself for what he believed was of some sort of help.

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 27, 2013, 04:48:11 PM
The Letters of request (rogs) seem to be here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Which did Amaral's team send off prior to his removal from the case*?

* From memory on 2nd Oct 2007.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 27, 2013, 04:55:11 PM
I think that this is what I said.  Mr Smith being alone in his assumption.

Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

But I do most sincerely hope that Mr. Smith will be able to forgive himself for what he believed was of some sort of help.

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

Forgive hmself? heard it all now....why the hell should he....he spoke as he found...and came forward....you should be applauding him for his courage for doing so even though he felt in shock....not morally preachng to him! Disgusting.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 04:59:41 PM
So it can mean whatever anyone wants it to mean, within uncertain boundaries.

It actually has no definitive meaning.

It has an exact meaning. The Latin means "for this", and in English it means "how to proceed in this case alone". This as opposed to how such things ma have been done conventionally.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 05:01:10 PM
Just exactly what is 60% to 80% when Mr. Smith himself admits that he didn't even see the face of the man properly?

A bit like it being claimed JT was 80% sure Cooperman was the man she saw at 9.15 when she didn't see his face?

I alone could have torn his testimony to shreds.

You said it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:01:29 PM
Read other books than just that one, Eleanor. When a child disappears without any trace, police everywhere - Portugal, UK, US, and everywhere else - always suspect everyone: the child's parents included.

And don't ignore other leads when they contradict your prime guess.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:02:54 PM
Amaral was the botched investigation.  Read his book.  The McCanns were guilty on Day One, according to him.


Has he been proven wrong?

He has certainly not been proved right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 05:03:39 PM
And don't ignore other leads when they contradict your prime guess.

What other leads were not investigated?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:04:57 PM
No, you are not wrong.  It was Rebelo.  And certain members of The Current PJ Investigation did come to England at that time.  But they left in a hurry when yet more leaks were going on.  So much for Secrecy.
The whole thing was a farce.

Nesting for the PJ.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 05:05:56 PM
The Letters of request (rogs) seem to be here:

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RESPONSE-ROGATORY.htm

Which did Amaral's team send off prior to his removal from the case*?

* From memory on 2nd Oct 2007.

Oh My, you could be right.  Although in so far as I understand it, Amaral was just in the process of calling The Smiths back to Portugal, without the benefit of any legal obligation.  So Mr. Smith could have refused.
Sadly, we will never know because Amaral was sacked shortly after.  And Rebelo didn't think it was worth the extra effort.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:07:23 PM
What other leads were not investigated?

Other leads were investigated, but trying to slam dunk a confession out of the McCann's destroyed their case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 05:10:57 PM
Nesting for the PJ.

God, was that not ever a hoot.  But The PJ snuck in without an Amaral supporter in sight.

I sometimes forget the laughs that I have had.

And now it is all back on hold until January.  Not sure which January.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on November 27, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
Oh My, you could be right.  Although in so far as I understand it, Amaral was just in the process of calling The Smiths back to Portugal, without the benefit of any legal obligation.  So Mr. Smith could have refused.
Sadly, we will never know because Amaral was sacked shortly after.  And Rebelo didn't think it was worth the extra effort.

I am no Amaral defender but I must ask why you are perpetuating the myth that he was  'sacked'  ?

He was not 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 05:15:30 PM
Other leads were investigated, but trying to slam dunk a confession out of the McCann's destroyed their case.

Ok 8(>(( That's certainly the TM narrative.

The truth about what went on behind that Police HQ door? Who knows.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:20:26 PM
Ok 8(>(( That's certainly the TM narrative.

The truth about what went on behind that Police HQ door? Who knows.

We know that Amaral presented the worst possible outcome as truth, even though the evidence did not support the key points- it was either misinterpreted accidentally or purposefully. The question list for Kate McCann makes it clear he was also muck raking. This is SOP for old fashioned policing.

Clear evidence of going for a confession by any means rather than using scientific methods.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 05:21:18 PM
I am no Amaral defender but I must ask why you are perpetuating the myth that he was  'sacked'  ?

He was not

Sacked/Removed from the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 27, 2013, 05:33:26 PM
I am no Amaral defender but I must ask why you are perpetuating the myth that he was  'sacked'  ?

He was not

Amaral was forcibly removed from The Madeleine Investigation.  Is that sacked or is that sacked?  Okay. I'll settle for Forcibly Removed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 06:33:43 PM
We know that Amaral presented the worst possible outcome as truth, even though the evidence did not support the key points- it was either misinterpreted accidentally or purposefully. The question list for Kate McCann makes it clear he was also muck raking. This is SOP for old fashioned policing.

Clear evidence of going for a confession by any means rather than using scientific methods.

Old fashioned policing? I'm currently reading books on two recent, high-profile UK cases, and if you think our police don't behave exactly the way you describe - and worse - I'd think again.

But you really have no evidence at all about what happened in that Portimao police station in September 07, apart from the TM spin about it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Rogerandout on November 27, 2013, 07:00:45 PM
Old fashioned policing? I'm currently reading books on two recent, high-profile UK cases, and if you think our police don't behave exactly the way you describe - and worse - I'd think again.

But you really have no evidence at all about what happened in that Portimao police station in September 07, apart from the TM spin about it.

The list of questions defines what was going on.

Since policing in the UK was brought into the modern era, you will find that aggressive interviewing to get a confession is seen as wasted effort and in major cases they now use cognitive interviewing almost exclusively.

Juries now suspect police techniques and confessions are often successfully withdrawn if forced by old fashioned methods.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on November 27, 2013, 07:07:20 PM
The list of questions defines what was going on.

Since policing in the UK was brought into the modern era, you will find that aggressive interviewing to get a confession is seen as wasted effort and in major cases they now use cognitive interviewing almost exclusively.

Juries now suspect police techniques and confessions are often successfully withdrawn if forced by old fashioned methods.

I'm not talking about confessions. I mean their methods of evidence gathering from interviewing witnesses. Not much has changed there.

The list of questions defines what was going on? Not sure I know what you mean. We know KM missed the second set of interviews in May, and the 48 questions in September just look like those that were missed in May. They are pretty easy questions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on November 28, 2013, 09:48:46 PM
Crime watch just had police man thanking public .pic of mr spotty in back ground
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 28, 2013, 10:03:04 PM
Crime watch just had police man thanking public .pic of mr spotty in back ground

it was DCI Redwood thanking the public ..good to see madeleine's still high profile ... 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 30, 2013, 11:10:37 AM
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the officer in charge of the Madeleine McCann investigation, appeared on BBC1's Crimewatch programme this evening, Thursday 28 November.

His appearance is a month on from the appeal in the UK, Germany and Holland on specific lines of enquiry, changes to the timeline and issuing of e-fits of people police wish to trace.

DCI Redwood said: "The media appeals produced a fantastic response from the public in all three countries with a total of 3,500 calls and messages in the UK, 850 to Germany, and 650 in Holland.

"Lots of people have called to say they were in Praia da Luz at the time. All of this information has obviously produced a very large volume of work for the Operation Grange team to work through.

"I have been in Faro this week working with police colleagues, and I know the appeal generated a large number of calls to the Portuguese police also.

"I’d like to thank the media and the public for their continued assistance in this challenging enquiry."


Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 30, 2013, 11:44:36 AM
Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the officer in charge of the Madeleine McCann investigation, appeared on BBC1's Crimewatch programme this evening, Thursday 28 November.

His appearance is a month on from the appeal in the UK, Germany and Holland on specific lines of enquiry, changes to the timeline and issuing of e-fits of people police wish to trace.

DCI Redwood said: "The media appeals produced a fantastic response from the public in all three countries with a total of 3,500 calls and messages in the UK, 850 to Germany, and 650 in Holland.

"Lots of people have called to say they were in Praia da Luz at the time. All of this information has obviously produced a very large volume of work for the Operation Grange team to work through.

"I have been in Faro this week working with police colleagues, and I know the appeal generated a large number of calls to the Portuguese police also.

"I’d like to thank the media and the public for their continued assistance in this challenging enquiry."


Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

Did he say that on the 28th, or are you just tagging old news  onto new?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 03:51:42 PM
Did he say that on the 28th, or are you just tagging old news  onto new?

No he didnt, it was said about 6 weeks,so old news....and nothing to do with last couple days coverage..thats why its etiquette to provide links....lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 04:41:32 PM

its irrelevant when he said it...he still said it ...just reminding the [ censored word ]s dear!  8((()*/

Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.

Well, apart from the fact that you are breaking forum rules by using such peurile terms, take note, it would be handy if you wanted to say or quote something to not do it in a deceptive way....i may as well then quote a story and add to the end of it that leicestershire police said that although one or both maybe innocent there is nothing in the  files that exonerrates them....the mccanns that is...after all its irrelevant when they said it and in what context lol

no difference, best to give a link always anyway go back up your text...something which I note is still lacking, despite requests, on your *text* around day 10 of the libel trial......







Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 30, 2013, 04:50:47 PM

Television is so much more interesting at the moment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: blonk on November 30, 2013, 05:05:51 PM
Forgive hmself? heard it all now....why the hell should he...he spoke as he found...and came forward...you should be applauding him for his courage for doing so even though he felt in shock...not morally preachng to him! Disgusting.
Martin Smith in shock?

Courage?

Pull the other one.

This was a man who says he saw a bloke carrying a child at 10.00pm on 3 May.

He maintained that he wasn't aware of anyone being missing until a text from Ireland the following morning.

Hmmm.

He didn't report his sighting that day. Nor on 5 May. Nor on 6, 7 or 8 May. Nor on 9 May when he travelled back to Ireland.

Nor the following day, 10 May.

Nor on 11, 12, 13, 14 or 15 May.

No, he waited until 16 May, the day after his friend Robert Murat was arrested. I say 'his friend'. We now know that Smith got to know Murat two years earlier (2005) and had met him many times before.

Murat was pulled in for questioning on 15 May. Smith 'phoned the next day. Is there a connection?

And what prompted him to make that call, 13 days late? He says that it was a 'phone call from his son Peter who said: "Was I dreaming or did we see a bloke carrying a child two weeks ago". Peter backs him up.

How credible is that tale?

Honestly?

And then he expects us to believe that on the BBC News on 9 September he 'recognised' Gerry McCann 'by the way he was carrying his child'. As if he could possibly do that if he did not, on his own admission, see Smithman's face (hidden by child, he says), he only saw him for a second or two, it was dark, and the street lighting was 'weak'.

You claim Smith was 'in shock'.

So when exactly did he report his thoughts on 'Smithman' looking 60% to 80% like Gerry McCann?

Answer: several days later.

It's well worth examining carefully all the statements of the Smiths - to the PJ, to the Gradai, to the press.

There are more holes in their tales than in a sieve 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 05:17:20 PM
Martin Smith in shock?

Courage?

Pull the other one.

This was a man who says he saw a bloke carrying a child at 10.00pm on 3 May.

He maintained that he wasn't aware of anyone being missing until a text from Ireland the following morning.

Hmmm.

He didn't report his sighting that day. Nor on 5 May. Nor on 6, 7 or 8 May. Nor on 9 May when he travelled back to Ireland.

Nor the following day, 10 May.

Nor on 11, 12, 13, 14 or 15 May.

No, he waited until 16 May, the day after his friend Robert Murat was arrested. I say 'his friend'. We now know that Smith got to know Murat two years earlier (2005) and had met him many times before.

Murat was pulled in for questioning on 15 May. Smith 'phoned the next day. Is there a connection?

And what prompted him to make that call, 13 days late? He says that it was a 'phone call from his son Peter who said: "Was I dreaming or did we see a bloke carrying a child two weeks ago". Peter backs him up.

How credible is that tale?

Honestly?

And then he expects us to believe that on the BBC News on 9 September he 'recognised' Gerry McCann 'by the way he was carrying his child'. As if he could possibly do that if he did not, on his own admission, see Smithman's face (hidden by child, he says), he only saw him for a second or two, it was dark, and the street lighting was 'weak'.

You claim Smith was 'in shock'.

So when exactly did he report his thoughts on 'Smithman' looking 60% to 80% like Gerry McCann?

Answer: several days later.

It's well worth examining carefully all the statements of the Smiths - to the PJ, to the Gradai, to the press.

There are more holes in their tales than in a sieve

Oh

Well,I would say he didnt make any connection with the news  story and the man and child they saw that night....it wasnt unusual to see parents carrying their kids at night....as for Murat well obviously if he knew him and saw him on the  tv being accused..the connection will have come back more strongly.as for seeing Gerry off the plane, if one is in shock at what he thought this could mean it may take a couple days to think about it....not sure where youre going with this....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on November 30, 2013, 05:36:53 PM
Oh
it wasnt unusual to see parents carrying their kids at night....
How many people, seing a father carrying his child the way the carrier did, will suspect he was an abductor ? Everybody has a car, abductors included.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: blonk on November 30, 2013, 06:28:26 PM
Oh

Well, I would say he didn't make any connection with the news story and the man and child they saw that night...

ANSWER
: Honestly - how could he not have done? He was in Praia da Luz on the 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th of May. The police were swarming everywhere. So were hundreds of visitors. There were TV cameras everywhere. And he was back in Ireland a whole week without doing anything. And then he says he only reported the sighting because his son 'phoned up and said: "Dad, am I dreaming, or did we see someone carrying a child?" That is not a story we should accept without thinking very hard about it   

it wasn't unusual to see parents carrying their kids at night...

ANSWER: OK, let's explore that one a bit. This was not the height of summer. It was early spring. There were relatively few visitors. Some children might be left in an evening creche. If they could not walk back home on their own, the parent would normally have a buggy. Normally, if you saw someone carrying a child, it would usually be a man, but he would have someone with him, maybe wife, partner, older children, friend etc. The time of this (alleged) sighting was 10.00pm. Now, how likely is it that on a coldish evening at 10pm, a single man would be out, on his own, carrying a child, only in pyjamas, with no buggy for the child? Again, I invite forum members to pause and think about this.

as for Murat, well obviously if he knew him and saw him on the TV being accused...the connection will have come back more strongly...

ANSWER: But that is not what he nor his son Peter says. They do not say: "I saw Murat on the TV and that prompted me to 'phone the police and say it wasn't him". The Smiths' story-line is that it took Peter, 13 days later, to ring his Dad and say: "Dad, was I dreaming or something...?" 

...as for seeing Gerry off the plane, if one is in shock at what he thought this could mean, it may take a couple days to think about it...

ANSWER: I think I am right in saying that it took him ELEVEN more days before doing so
 
...not sure where you're going with this...

ANSWER: It's very simple. DCI Andy Redwood boasted on Crimewatch of how he was 'accepting nothing'. Someone more famous once said: "Assume nothing, question everything". That is all I am doing. I am saying: Do not accept the Smiths' eveidence at face value. I do not accept it as fact. They have made a claim. I am bringing to this forums reasons why we should be highly sceptical about their claims and should test them.

There are also IMO many more reasons btw for doubting their claims. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benita on November 30, 2013, 06:39:36 PM
...removed ....


Detectives said new material uncovered by the inquiry does not implicate the family or their friends.
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 06:43:45 PM
How many people, seing a father carrying his child the way the carrier did, will suspect he was an abductor ? Everybody has a car, abductors included.

true....especially as it was common to see
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 07:30:16 PM
The difference between a forum and an e-mail exchange.

Thanks, i think lol


not sure how one can be called nosy reading open forum posts oh well....out of this crap lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on November 30, 2013, 07:50:53 PM
Crime watch just had police man thanking public .pic of mr spotty in back ground

Well Spotted
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on November 30, 2013, 07:52:27 PM
Well Spotted

LOL nothing like a spot of good observation spotting spotty only he want a suspect in the crimewatch appeal in october was he? Didnt even appear on the board...off to check CW from the other day for the mug
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on November 30, 2013, 08:11:55 PM
The list of questions defines what was going on.

Since policing in the UK was brought into the modern era, you will find that aggressive interviewing to get a confession is seen as wasted effort and in major cases they now use cognitive interviewing almost exclusively.

Juries now suspect police techniques and confessions are often successfully withdrawn if forced by old fashioned methods.

I agree with this, Rogerandout. And welcome to the forum by the way.

There is a high degree of subjectivity as far as the questions are concerned. They are complied according to a certain agenda and viewpoint and can have a tremendous effect on the direction of ensuing conversations and events.

This could apply to questions in many situations, but the impact upon proceedings of the way a question is formulated in a case like this can obviously be profound.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 01, 2013, 09:29:59 PM
After 5000 calls/texts/mails over three countries, the Express prints there is hope of a clue...whereas before it was headlines like a  clue gives hope.....sounds like they are floundering with no clues at all......what a pointless sunday article
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 01, 2013, 10:26:28 PM
Kate and Gerry McCann made an appeal on a German crime show [EPA]
The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show, called Case Files XY...Unsolved, in October.

They were joined by Scotland Yard’s Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who asked German viewers for help.

Calls came in from people who had been at the Ocean Club resort at Praia da Luz on the Algarve at the same time as the McCann family, on May 3, 2007. The callers had information about the German or Dutch speaking men, but it is not known if they were able to provide names.

During the programme, 500 calls flooded in to a special team with a further 350 coming in during the following weeks.

Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007 [PA]

The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show

The bitter emotions of a seventh Christmas without her beloved Madeleine were evident on Kate’s face as she forced herself into the yuletide spirit for the sake of twins, Sean and Amelie.

She joined thousands for the annual switching on of the Christmas lights in her home village, of Rothley, Leicestershire, on Thursday evening.

She smiled as children played on a bouncy castle and went on rides, but there were other moments when the pain of not having Madeleine there to share the early Christmas joy was clear to see.

With a protective arm around the eight-year-old twins, Kate was cheered by warm words from friends and acquaintances who quietly support her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 03, 2013, 09:48:24 AM
The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show, called Case Files XY...Unsolved, in October.

They were joined by Scotland Yard’s Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who asked German viewers for help.

Calls came in from people who had been at the Ocean Club resort at Praia da Luz on the Algarve at the same time as the McCann family, on May 3, 2007. The callers had information about the German or Dutch speaking men, but it is not known if they were able to provide names.

During the programme, 500 calls flooded in to a special team with a further 350 coming in during the following weeks.

Madeleine McCann went missing in May 2007 [PA]

The potentially strong leads came after Kate and Gerry McCann made a direct appeal on a German crime show

The bitter emotions of a seventh Christmas without her beloved Madeleine were evident on Kate’s face as she forced herself into the yuletide spirit for the sake of twins, Sean and Amelie.

She joined thousands for the annual switching on of the Christmas lights in her home village, of Rothley, Leicestershire, on Thursday evening.

She smiled as children played on a bouncy castle and went on rides, but there were other moments when the pain of not having Madeleine there to share the early Christmas joy was clear to see.

With a protective arm around the eight-year-old twins, Kate was cheered by warm words from friends and acquaintances who quietly support her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 03, 2013, 09:53:40 AM
?? thought I was going to read something new there for a second
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 03, 2013, 12:55:02 PM
?? thought I was going to read something new there for a second

Don't shoot the messenger .  Was today's news
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 03, 2013, 01:02:51 PM
Don't shoot the messenger .  Was today's news

No, it was Sundays news from the Express,  thats why I was confused, you posted the exact same article before that as well...never mind...doesnt matter...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 14, 2013, 11:36:18 PM

A Portuguese military aircraft may have an aerial image of whoever abducted Madeleine McCann, says the Sunday Express. The "spy plane" was taking pictures of the Algarve coast on the day she went missing in 2007, it says.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 14, 2013, 11:46:49 PM
A Portuguese military aircraft may have an aerial image of whoever abducted Madeleine McCann, says the Sunday Express. The "spy plane" was taking pictures of the Algarve coast on the day she went missing in 2007, it says.

 Hasnt this been mentioned before in the early days..but never heard anymore about it..



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 15, 2013, 03:47:16 AM
A Portuguese military aircraft took photos of the Algarve coastline on the day the three-year-old dis­appeared, says British military expert Philip Burden.

He claims the images were clear enough to identify buildings and people’s faces and were offered to Portuguese police when Nato officials later learned of Madeleine’s disappearance. Mr Burden said: “The aircraft may provide a new lead in the hunt for Madeleine. During the early and late evening of May 3, 2007, the day Madeleine disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz, the plane took aerial photos of that stretch of the Algarve.

"It was on a Nato training exercise and had been used on similar missions over other European countries at other times."

Writer Mr Burden added: "According to my source, strips of film were later passed to the Portuguese police following their appeal for information about Madeleine's disappearance.

"I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo reconnaissance training mission. Although the light was fading, people and buildings could be clearly seen."

Portuguese police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the film at the time but the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published later.

Asked to confirm or deny the claims, a Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We are not giving a running commentary."


If good images exist, they could prove vital in establishing what was going on at crucial times around the Ocean Club holiday complex. Spy cameras are so sophisticated they can pick out the registration number of vehicles and, in ideal conditions, tell the colour of a person's eyes.

The claims come at an emotional time for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, as they prepare to celebrate Christmas with eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, with their missing daughter very much at the centre of their thoughts.

On Monday Kate was close to tears at a service at St Martin-in-the-Fields church in London arranged by the charity Missing People, for whom she is an ambassador.

Kate read the words of the Billie Holliday classic I'll Be Seeing You, which moved many in the packed congregation. The lyrics, particularly poignant at this time of year, include the lines: "I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places."

Kate's reading gave strength and encouragement to other parents facing the same heart-wrenching void in their lives.

Charity patron Sir Trevor McDonald, the former ITV newsreader, welcomed guests to the service marking the 20th anniversary of the charity.


Sir Trevor said: "It represents a time, if only brief, for those of us who have not been personally affected by the disappearance of someone we love to join in solidarity with those of you here tonight who are living in limbo, with all the grief and hope that brings."

A particularly moving part of the service came when Peter Boxell spoke of his feelings over the disappearance of his son Lee, who vanished in Sutton, Surrey, in 1988, aged just 15. Mr Boxell said: "For many months, Christine and I were afraid to leave the house in case we missed a call from Lee."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/448764/EXCLUSIVE-Nato-spy-plane-may-have-photographed-Madeleine-McCann-abduction
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 15, 2013, 07:50:15 AM
A Portuguese military aircraft took photos of the Algarve coastline on the day the three-year-old dis­appeared, says British military expert Philip Burden.

He claims the images were clear enough to identify buildings and people’s faces and were offered to Portuguese police when Nato officials later learned of Madeleine’s disappearance. Mr Burden said: “The aircraft may provide a new lead in the hunt for Madeleine. During the early and late evening of May 3, 2007, the day Madeleine disappeared from the holiday resort of Praia da Luz, the plane took aerial photos of that stretch of the Algarve.

"It was on a Nato training exercise and had been used on similar missions over other European countries at other times."

Writer Mr Burden added: "According to my source, strips of film were later passed to the Portuguese police following their appeal for information about Madeleine's disappearance.

"I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo reconnaissance training mission. Although the light was fading, people and buildings could be clearly seen."

Portuguese police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the film at the time but the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published later.

Asked to confirm or deny the claims, a Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We are not giving a running commentary."


If good images exist, they could prove vital in establishing what was going on at crucial times around the Ocean Club holiday complex. Spy cameras are so sophisticated they can pick out the registration number of vehicles and, in ideal conditions, tell the colour of a person's eyes.

The claims come at an emotional time for Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, as they prepare to celebrate Christmas with eight-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, with their missing daughter very much at the centre of their thoughts.

On Monday Kate was close to tears at a service at St Martin-in-the-Fields church in London arranged by the charity Missing People, for whom she is an ambassador.

Kate read the words of the Billie Holliday classic I'll Be Seeing You, which moved many in the packed congregation. The lyrics, particularly poignant at this time of year, include the lines: "I'll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places."

Kate's reading gave strength and encouragement to other parents facing the same heart-wrenching void in their lives.

Charity patron Sir Trevor McDonald, the former ITV newsreader, welcomed guests to the service marking the 20th anniversary of the charity.


Sir Trevor said: "It represents a time, if only brief, for those of us who have not been personally affected by the disappearance of someone we love to join in solidarity with those of you here tonight who are living in limbo, with all the grief and hope that brings."

A particularly moving part of the service came when Peter Boxell spoke of his feelings over the disappearance of his son Lee, who vanished in Sutton, Surrey, in 1988, aged just 15. Mr Boxell said: "For many months, Christine and I were afraid to leave the house in case we missed a call from Lee."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/448764/EXCLUSIVE-Nato-spy-plane-may-have-photographed-Madeleine-McCann-abduction


Clutching at straws.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 15, 2013, 10:58:28 AM
"Portuguese police thanked the Portuguese Air Force for sending the film at the time but the pictures were not evident when secret police files were published later".


Something else that was not evident in the files..just what is it that the Portuguese police are hiding..?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on December 16, 2013, 02:57:46 PM
Madeleine McCann: Kate is praying for safe return of missing Maddie this Christmas


16 Dec 2013 00:00


Mum Kate McCann prepares for seventh Christmas without missing daughter Madeleine McCann by praying for her return


Kate McCann has told how she is praying for daughter Madeleine’s safe return this Christmas, during a moving tribute to families of lost loved ones.

She revealed her hope while giving strength to parents facing the same void in their lives – as she prepares for a seventh Christmas without the eldest of her three children.

Kate, 45, spoke at a private carol service, hosted by Missing People, in London last week. The former GP, who is an ambassador for the charity, read lyrics from Billie Holiday’s I’ll Be Seeing You, including the line: “I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places.”

A spokeswoman for the charity said: “Kate gave a very moving address as she united with dozens of families who are in the same, terribly sad situation. They came together in solidarity.”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, was joined at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Square by the ­charity’s patron, ex-newsreader Sir Trevor McDonald, and speakers from the National Crime Agency.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-praying-safe-2931683#ixzz2nbLS1FRH

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on December 20, 2013, 04:51:23 PM
Madeleine McCann: Kate is praying for safe return of missing Maddie this Christmas


16 Dec 2013 00:00


Mum Kate McCann prepares for seventh Christmas without missing daughter Madeleine McCann by praying for her return


Kate McCann has told how she is praying for daughter Madeleine’s safe return this Christmas, during a moving tribute to families of lost loved ones.

She revealed her hope while giving strength to parents facing the same void in their lives – as she prepares for a seventh Christmas without the eldest of her three children.

Kate, 45, spoke at a private carol service, hosted by Missing People, in London last week. The former GP, who is an ambassador for the charity, read lyrics from Billie Holiday’s I’ll Be Seeing You, including the line: “I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places.”

A spokeswoman for the charity said: “Kate gave a very moving address as she united with dozens of families who are in the same, terribly sad situation. They came together in solidarity.”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, was joined at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Square by the ­charity’s patron, ex-newsreader Sir Trevor McDonald, and speakers from the National Crime Agency.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-praying-safe-2931683#ixzz2nbLS1FRH

So sweet that she's dedicating her time to help other people, same goes for the others. I know Trevor McDonald does a huge amount for charity, lovely man.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 20, 2013, 04:55:09 PM
Madeleine McCann: Kate is praying for safe return of missing Maddie this Christmas


16 Dec 2013 00:00


Mum Kate McCann prepares for seventh Christmas without missing daughter Madeleine McCann by praying for her return


Kate McCann has told how she is praying for daughter Madeleine’s safe return this Christmas, during a moving tribute to families of lost loved ones.

She revealed her hope while giving strength to parents facing the same void in their lives – as she prepares for a seventh Christmas without the eldest of her three children.

Kate, 45, spoke at a private carol service, hosted by Missing People, in London last week. The former GP, who is an ambassador for the charity, read lyrics from Billie Holiday’s I’ll Be Seeing You, including the line: “I’ll be seeing you, in all the old familiar places.”

A spokeswoman for the charity said: “Kate gave a very moving address as she united with dozens of families who are in the same, terribly sad situation. They came together in solidarity.”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, was joined at St Martin-in-the-Fields in Trafalgar Square by the ­charity’s patron, ex-newsreader Sir Trevor McDonald, and speakers from the National Crime Agency.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-praying-safe-2931683#ixzz2nbLS1FRH

Indeed the very same mother, whom along with her husband, where drinking whilst their eldest daughter disappeared from an unlocked apartment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2013, 08:27:57 PM
Indeed the very same mother, whom along with her husband, where drinking whilst their eldest daughter disappeared from an unlocked apartment.

 Yes Maddie disappeared from the apppt whilst the McCannns were dining...tragic
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 20, 2013, 09:37:24 PM
Indeed it is tragic, BUT could so easily have been avoided !
It could have easily been avoided if it had happened in the first place..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 20, 2013, 10:01:36 PM
It could have easily been avoided if it had happened in the first place..

well Stephen says Maddie disappeared whilst her parents were drinking and pat says it could easily have been avoided so it seems you are in the minority
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 20, 2013, 10:05:51 PM
well Stephen says Maddie disappeared whilst her parents were drinking and pat says it could easily have been avoided so it seems you are in the minority
I adore that idea.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 20, 2013, 11:40:59 PM
I adore that idea.

Here is a quotation written on the pavement in Oslo, Norway (my father's home town, incidentally).

From An Enemy of the People (Henrik Ibsen):

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 21, 2013, 12:20:24 AM
Here is a quotation written on the pavement in Oslo, Norway (my father's home town, incidentally).

From An Enemy of the People (Henrik Ibsen):
They are the strong who must be protected against the weak, against the strength of the weak.
Do you speak your fatherland's language ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 21, 2013, 12:47:03 AM
Minority ? What minority ?

It's a simple fact, if Kate & Gerry had not gone out and left THREE MINORS ALONE in an UNLOCKED apartment, on foreign soil over CONSECUTIVE NIGHTS then this 'abduction' would most probably never have happened !
You and your ilk can apologise ad infinitum for their short comings BUT the fact remains, 2 adults left 3 minors in a vulnerable position night after night, and the consequences of their actions have brought us to this juncture !

Hes scuppered off to bed but insists it was responsible parenting...legally speaking of course....as if that is all that matters!!!! Sad but true of the apologists


Gnite from me too


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: LagosBen on December 21, 2013, 05:37:12 PM
So sweet that she's dedicating her time to help other people, same goes for the others. I know Trevor McDonald does a huge amount for charity, lovely man.

I think so too Victoria.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 12:21:04 PM
  Maddie cops' prime suspect blunder, 28 December 2013
 
Maddie cops' prime suspect blunder Daily Mirror (paper edition)

They could have ruled out innocent man SIX years ago

EXCLUSIVE

BY TOM PETTIFOR Crime Correspondent
Saturday, 28 December 2013

BUNGLING police chased the wrong suspect for six years in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann.

An innocent British dad told police in 2007 he was the man in an e-fit seen carrying a child in a Portuguese resort.

But his evidence was overlooked. A source said yesterday: "This doesn't look good."

FULL STORY: PAGES 4&5

[picture text: WRONG MAN E-fit of 'prime suspect']


Bungling police had 'prime suspect' details for 6 years without realising.

The innocent dad came forward in 2007 but mistakenly remained the focus of the hunt
until this year when SY detectives tracked him down.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-bungling-police-prime-2965027
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 12:27:27 PM
Madeleine McCann: Anyone saying they were carrying a child around when Maddy disappeared should have been investigated. opinion by Peter Kirkham

Ex-Met Police chief Peter Kirkham says questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier

Scotland Yard have now concluded that the key sighting of a suspect carrying a child at around 9.15pm was, in fact, a sighting of an innocent dad.

This has changed the entire timeline of the incident and has opened up crucial new lines of enquiry.

Questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier.

While there may have been an oversight by Leicestershire Police, there are two things we should remember.

They did not have access to all the material collected during the investigation and full responsibility for the case remained with the Portuguese at that time.

In their liaison role, they may have simply forwarded the questionnaires to Portuguese police without analysing them themselves.

Even if they did consider the content, they may not have realised the relevance without access to all of the material.

The information should have been recognised as of great relevance by the Portuguese police.

I would have expected any person saying they were innocently carrying a child at around the relevant time and place to be investigated and cross-referenced with other witness accounts.

That said, in a high-profile investigation, so much information floods in that it is all too easy for a crucial item to get lost.

At that time, the main focus of the investigation centred on the interpretation of the DNA evidence which had been recently made available.

This may have led to other potential lines of enquiry being overlooked.

No matter what the explanation, the fact that this "new" witness was in the system all along illustrates why case reviews are so important.

A review of all material, by new pairs of eyes and with the benefit of hindsight, almost always identifies something which has been overlooked.

In this case, it appears to have changed the basic understanding of what may have happened on Thursday, May 3, 2007.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anyone-saying-were-2965383

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 01:02:00 PM


No matter what the explanation, the fact that this "new" witness was in the system all along illustrates why case reviews are so important.

I think it matters.
I'm amazed that an ex-Met Police chief, before knowing the answer to "questions as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier", dares to suggest the PJ is responsible, as if the Portuguese weren't the ones who didn't give much credit to Tannerman, as if they hadn't welcome evidence that they were right.
The AG would have too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 01:07:40 PM
I think it matters.
I'm amazed that an ex-Met Police chief, before knowing the answer to "questions as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier", dares to suggest the PJ is responsible, as if the Portuguese weren't the ones who didn't give much credit to Tannerman, as if they hadn't welcome evidence that they were right.
The AG would have too.

The Daily Mirror is probably the McCanns closest newspaper ally.
This article is another PR stunt deflecting any blame imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 01:23:05 PM
The Daily Mirror is probably the McCanns closest newspaper ally.
This article is another PR stunt deflecting any blame imo
But Mr Kirkham is a real person ! No newspaper, ally or not, would take the risk to make him say things he didn't
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 01:28:38 PM
But Mr Kirkham is a real person ! No newspaper, ally or not, would take the risk to make him say things he didn't

I don't doubt Mr Kirkham said something but why did he?

Why be openly critical of the investigation at this time?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 28, 2013, 01:35:55 PM
Is Mr Kirkham the source of the information, or is he merely commenting on what has been stated anonymously by someone else?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 01:46:56 PM
Is Mr Kirkham the source of the information, or is he merely commenting on what has been stated anonymously by someone else?

A source said: "He had been clear then that he had picked her up at around the time of the sighting but for whatever reason he was not eliminated as a suspect. The fact the details of the prime suspect have been known all along doesn't look good."


Yes Jassi.  It would appear he is commenting on an unsourced quote from..... I wonder who that might be?

Why would someone want to brief against the police & potentialy damage the relationship of SY & PYat a time when they are planning a joint investigation?

Who would want to do that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 01:52:27 PM
I don't doubt Mr Kirkham said something but why did he?

Why be openly critical of the investigation at this time?
Imagine you are Mr Innocent. You receive a letter from the LC asking you to answer a questionnaire. You understand perfectly why and do it as well as you can. Then, not getting any reaction from the LC, you think that after all they determined you weren't Tannerman.
6 years after, SY pops up and, coup de théâtre, suggests you're Tannerman. Al-right, better late than never.
You kindly let yourself be photographed, you kindly provide a rotten pyjama that in any case you found useful to keep (not to be sold at Sotheby's within a hundred years as the pyjama mistaken for Madeleine McCann for 6 years and a half), you kindly answer questions.
Then CW is broadcast and, though anonymous, you become a celebrity. Not for the good cause. People start wondering why on earth you didn't step forward, letting the police and the parents in the mud. People start to speculate about your suspicious reason to keep quiet. Worst nobody says it clearly but it's between the lines that you might have prevented Madeleine McCann to be found. Even worst Madeleine's parents seem not to believe you, they keep Tannerman as a suspect on the official site.
How can you defend yourself ?
You reflect that after all nobody, except the police, knows who you are, and make an effort to forget about it.
Then a journalist, looking into the PJ files, finds that there were not many fathers with dark hair and a 2yrs old little girl, 2, eventually 3. He's lucky, you're on a professional site, he contacts you and you get frightened : your anonymity is at risk. So you decide to talk.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 28, 2013, 02:01:23 PM
Madeleine McCann: Anyone saying they were carrying a child around when Maddy disappeared should have been investigated. opinion by Peter Kirkham

Ex-Met Police chief Peter Kirkham says questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier

Scotland Yard have now concluded that the key sighting of a suspect carrying a child at around 9.15pm was, in fact, a sighting of an innocent dad.

This has changed the entire timeline of the incident and has opened up crucial new lines of enquiry.

Questions will be asked as to why the relevance of the information was not recognised earlier.

While there may have been an oversight by Leicestershire Police, there are two things we should remember.

They did not have access to all the material collected during the investigation and full responsibility for the case remained with the Portuguese at that time.

In their liaison role, they may have simply forwarded the questionnaires to Portuguese police without analysing them themselves.

Even if they did consider the content, they may not have realised the relevance without access to all of the material.

The information should have been recognised as of great relevance by the Portuguese police.

I would have expected any person saying they were innocently carrying a child at around the relevant time and place to be investigated and cross-referenced with other witness accounts.

That said, in a high-profile investigation, so much information floods in that it is all too easy for a crucial item to get lost.

At that time, the main focus of the investigation centred on the interpretation of the DNA evidence which had been recently made available.

This may have led to other potential lines of enquiry being overlooked.

No matter what the explanation, the fact that this "new" witness was in the system all along illustrates why case reviews are so important.

A review of all material, by new pairs of eyes and with the benefit of hindsight, almost always identifies something which has been overlooked.

In this case, it appears to have changed the basic understanding of what may have happened on Thursday, May 3, 2007.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anyone-saying-were-2965383

Isnt this all old news?

The PJ knew all along about the tannerman, that is why they discounted the sighting ALL ALONG. Why do they have to answer to anyone anyway, its there investigation. I thought Amaral mentioned it was a known fact the other week.

I knew tannerman wasnt an abductor lol....

Also it was mentioned he was coming back from the creche NOT going to the creche weeks ago....

On the other paper they are blaming the Leicestershire police, and so it goes on.

This is not news worthy is it, if it was already discussed on CW.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 03:26:05 PM
Tom Pettifor:

The Smith family provided two efit images of the man more than five years ago. However, the sighting was viewed as too late to be significant because of Ms Tanner’s sighting– which is why the efits were only released publicly in a Crimewatch appeal broadcast in October.

What a spinner 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 04:58:33 PM
Imagine you are Mr Innocent. You receive a letter from the LC asking you to answer a questionnaire. You understand perfectly why and do it as well as you can. Then, not getting any reaction from the LC, you think that after all they determined you weren't Tannerman.
6 years after, SY pops up and, coup de théâtre, suggests you're Tannerman. Al-right, better late than never.
You kindly let yourself be photographed, you kindly provide a rotten pyjama that in any case you found useful to keep (not to be sold at Sotheby's within a hundred years as the pyjama mistaken for Madeleine McCann for 6 years and a half), you kindly answer questions.
Then CW is broadcast and, though anonymous, you become a celebrity. Not for the good cause. People start wondering why on earth you didn't step forward, letting the police and the parents in the mud. People start to speculate about your suspicious reason to keep quiet. Worst nobody says it clearly but it's between the lines that you might have prevented Madeleine McCann to be found. Even worst Madeleine's parents seem not to believe you, they keep Tannerman as a suspect on the official site.
How can you defend yourself ?
You reflect that after all nobody, except the police, knows who you are, and make an effort to forget about it.
Then a journalist, looking into the PJ files, finds that there were not many fathers with dark hair and a 2yrs old little girl, 2, eventually 3. He's lucky, you're on a professional site, he contacts you and you get frightened : your anonymity is at risk. So you decide to talk.

An amazing precis, Anne.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 05:32:40 PM
6 yrs bungling cops..what an antidote to the 5 yrs hidden efits


!

 @)(++(*


Carry on spinning
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 05:52:06 PM
6 yrs bungling cops..what an antidote to the 5 yrs hidden efits


!

 @)(++(*


Carry on spinning

That's the impression I got from this article aswell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 06:01:28 PM
That's the impression I got from this article aswell.

Well they had to take a break for Xmas! Leave the genune circus shows to do their rounds before continung with their own I guess.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 06:04:18 PM
But how does portraying a bumbling investigation help the McCanns in their desire for public monies and assistance?

Surely it diminishes public faith in the idea that there is anything to be gained from investing continued resources into this case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 06:09:56 PM
But how does portraying a bumbling investigation help the McCanns in their desire for public monies and assistance?

Surely it diminishes public faith in the idea that there is anything to be gained from investing continued resources into this case.
Isnt it obvious?


Its over there, never here? Just saying.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 06:58:15 PM
Isnt it obvious?


Its over there, never here? Just saying.....

That's assuming the public as a whole, in reading tabloid headlines and maybe not very much else, are going to have a feel for the distinctions in the investigation as to what is Portuguese domain and what is English domain. Lots of procedural issues to grasp, and changes at the helm of the investigation over time. Is everyone keeping track?

IMO the message that it's all their fault (if that's what's being attempted here) is going to be lost on the public, who just see a general mess. The overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at the McCanns, without breaking the investigation down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 07:13:29 PM
That's assuming the public as a whole, in reading tabloid headlines and maybe not very much else, are going to have a feel for the distinctions in the investigation as to what is Portuguese domain and what is English domain. Lots of procedural issues to grasp, and changes at the helm of the investigation over time. Is everyone keeping track?

IMO the message that it's all their fault (if that's what's being attempted here) is going to be lost on the public, who just see a general mess. The overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at the McCanns, without breaking the investigation down.

Where?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 07:23:28 PM
The overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at the McCanns, without breaking the investigation down.
I rather think that the overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at all confounded polices.
And with a certain reason, though responsibilities should be clarified in order to at least ameliorate the cooperation between the polices of the EU.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 07:25:22 PM
Where?

Where not?

If you look at just about any article relating to the McCanns that allows comments, the majority are negative and focus on the fact that the children were left alone in the apartment - regardless of the actual topic of the article. That's what it often seems to come back to.

Not a scientific survey, I admit. But a demonstration of the general feel the public seems to have for this case.

Only someone interested or involved in the investigation is going to bother going into details about what police forces were responsible for what information at what time. 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 07:27:23 PM
I rather think that the overwhelming tendency is to point the finger at all confounded polices.
And with a certain reason, though responsibilities should be clarified in order to at least ameliorate the cooperation between the polices of the EU.

I find this interesting - can you be more specific ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: peter claridge on December 28, 2013, 07:35:17 PM
Endless discussion about a person that doesn't exist whether in the form of Crecheman or Bundleman!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 07:37:07 PM
Where not?

If you look at just about any article relating to the McCanns that allows comments, the majority are negative and focus on the fact that the children were left alone in the apartment - regardless of the actual topic of the article. That's what it often seems to come back to.

Not a scientific survey, I admit. But a demonstration of the general feel the public seems to have for this case.

Only someone interested or involved in the investigation is going to bother going into details about what police forces were responsible for what information at what time.

I thought we were talking about press articles and who they put the blame on....ie bungling police etc not readers comments....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 07:45:41 PM
Endless discussion about a person that doesn't exist whether in the form of Crecheman or Bundleman!
?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 07:57:30 PM
If you look at just about any article relating to the McCanns that allows comments, the majority are negative and focus on the fact that the children were left alone in the apartment - regardless of the actual topic of the article. That's what it often seems to come back to.

This kind of comment exists since the very beginning and will always exist. This is the easiest way to make up one's mind, the less embarrassing  one. You're not like the McCanns, you're secure.

The McCanns are blamed to have left alone their kids and the police to have spent lots of money without finding the abductor.

It's clear that if there was no abductor, the argument "this happens only to neglectful parents" collapses.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 08:15:36 PM
But how does portraying a bumbling investigation help the McCanns in their desire for public monies and assistance?

Surely it diminishes public faith in the idea that there is anything to be gained from investing continued resources into this case.

The article contains descriptions that Mitchell will definitely approve, and that doesn't happen accidentally.

Personally I think another front page is the reason for the article, it's as simple as that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 08:19:50 PM
I thought we were talking about press articles and who they put the blame on....ie bungling police etc not readers comments....

Well the press are addressing a readership...

Just making the point that I don't believe this type of spin - if that is what these recent articles are - is going to work in the McCanns' favour.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 08:34:26 PM
Well the press are addressing a readership...

Just making the point that I don't believe this type of spin - if that is what these recent articles are - is going to work in the McCanns' favour.

OK but I dont like to see things as going in the mccanns favour or not...just want facts not favours......
Its pathetic...Nd in redwoods own words...this has gone on too long...wise man....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 08:39:57 PM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 28, 2013, 08:40:16 PM


Just making the point that I don't believe this type of spin - if that is what these recent articles are - is going to work in the McCanns' favour.
I think we're beyond this now, SH. The time of pros and [ censored word] has gone.
People who are still interested in this case want to understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 08:42:06 PM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.

That was his job?

He wasn't Inspector Morse 8(>((
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 08:47:00 PM
Surely a slight exaggeration, Drummer

I would call myself an armchair detective....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 08:47:48 PM
I think we're beyond this now, SH. The time of pros and [ censored word] has gone.
People who are still interested in this case want to understand.

Hope that's right!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 08:53:42 PM
What exactly was his role in this case? At the beginning he was Portugal's best cop, lead detective, chief investigator, infact he was portrayed than being whiter than white. Wrote a book took the credit and the cash until his own character was revealed as not being totally unflawed. Now he is a bit player. Laughable really.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 08:54:20 PM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.

Dont be so silly

How many uk dcis get on the ground.. Stupid

When all else fails blame amaral LOL this silly sausage of a defence failed yonks ago......keep up darling
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 08:58:23 PM
Not blaming him Red, just an observation.

SH , thought we just all were armchair detectives until I read the definition of one. Seems Amaral is too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 09:00:14 PM
What exactly was his role in this case? At the beginning he was Portugal's best cop, lead detective, chief investigator, infact he was portrayed than being whiter than white. Wrote a book took the credit and the cash until his own character was revealed as not being totally unflawed. Now he is a bit player. Laughable really.

You think so?

He is now pretty famous. There may well be other books or projects using his name one day. In English.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:00:33 PM
Dont be so silly

How many uk dcis get on the ground.. Stupid

When all else fails blame amaral LOL this silly sausage of a defence failed yonks ago......keep up darling

Why are you addressing me as Darling?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 09:03:11 PM
Not blaming him Red, just an observation.

SH , thought we just all were armchair detectives until I read the definition of one. Seems Amaral is too.

No of course you not blaming him, its ok i understand lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:05:19 PM
You think so?

He is now pretty famous. There may well be other books or projects using his name one day. In English.

 pretty infamous imo. Do you think he would ever be employed by any legal profession again?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 09:08:20 PM
What exactly was his role in this case? At the beginning he was Portugal's best cop, lead detective, chief investigator, infact he was portrayed than being whiter than white. Wrote a book took the credit and the cash until his own character was revealed as not being totally unflawed. Now he is a bit player. Laughable really.

You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

Dr Amaral rose to the equivalent of Detective Chief Superintendent which is one post short of Assistant Chief Constable if you want an equivalent in UK terms.  As such he was a very senior officer.

It is true that his career has been tarnished by the civil case brought against him by his brother and the fallout from the Cipriano beatings.  I am quite sure he regrets both these events as they contributed to his demise and eventual exit from the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 09:14:34 PM
You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

thanks john for putting it plainly for the hard of hearing


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:16:28 PM
You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

Dr Amaral rose to the equivalent of Detective Chief Superintendent which is one post short of Assistant Chief Constable if you want an equivalent in UK terms.

Just to remind you John, it was his supporters that declared him a bit player not myself. Please accuse those posters of being false and disingenuous.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 09:17:32 PM
pretty infamous imo. Do you think he would ever be employed by any legal profession again?

I don't know, but he has some fame now and perhaps will use that in future.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:18:29 PM
Wisely I hope.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 09:20:56 PM
Just to remind you John, it was his supporters that declared him a bit player not myself. Please accuse those posters of being false and disingenuous.

You misunderstand, I didn't say you said it.  My point being that he was the guy in charge of the case.  He decided the course of events and who would be investigated. It was the job of his minions to do his bidding.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 09:23:20 PM
Wisely I hope.

8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:24:55 PM
You obviously don't understand the police hierarchy drummer but then nobody would expect you to.  Dr Gonçalo Amaral rose to one of the highest echelons of the Portuguese police through his successes.  To say that he was in some way a bit player is both false and disingenuous.  He was the coordinator of detectives in both the Cipriano and the McCann cases.  As the name implies, his job was to coordinate those beneath him.  He was not required to go out on the ground looking for clues or to interrogate anyone.

Dr Amaral rose to the equivalent of Detective Chief Superintendent which is one post short of Assistant Chief Constable if you want an equivalent in UK terms.  As such he was a very senior officer.

It is true that his career has been tarnished by the civil case brought against him by his brother and the fallout from the Cipriano beatings.  I am quite sure he regrets both these events as they contributed to his demise and eventual exit from the police.

I'm sure he regrets it John.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 09:26:20 PM
If Amaral successfully defends the current libel action against him he will earn a small fortune in TV appearances.  If those who are suing him thought him outspoken previously I fear they are in for a big surprise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on December 28, 2013, 09:27:26 PM
Sorry, the end of my post disappeared.

You have used the term disgraced cop to address the man John, you also said he's lucky not to be in a prison cell. I think my comments were light in respect of yours.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 09:42:30 PM
If Amaral successfully defends the current libel action against him he will earn a small fortune in TV appearances.  If those who are suing him thought him outspoken previously I fear they are in for a big surprise.

Its not about money...(not for mr amaral anyway) the mccanns and their sick entourage went for mr amaral from early on.....with a thoroughly vicious vendetta .....I hope he wins and he will....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 28, 2013, 10:08:32 PM
Sorry, the end of my post disappeared.

You have used the term disgraced cop to address the man John, you also said he's lucky not to be in a prison cell. I think my comments were light in respect of yours.

You will be referring to this thread...and he was dam lucky to get a suspended sentence.  Condoning torture and attempting to cover it up are serious crimes especially for a very senior police officer.  Had the Governor of the prison not had the presence of mind to have Leonor photographed he might have got away with it again.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1162.msg32549;topicseen#msg32549

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 10:22:37 PM
If Amaral successfully defends the current libel action against him he will earn a small fortune in TV appearances.  If those who are suing him thought him outspoken previously I fear they are in for a big surprise.

 And if he loses....even if he wins now if he makes any public appearances he will have to explain why the PJ and SY are looking for an abductor...will anyone be interested in his theories now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 10:24:58 PM
Its not about money...(not for mr amaral anyway) the mccanns and their sick entourage went for mr amaral from early on.....with a thoroughly vicious vendetta .....I hope he wins and he will....

 I don't think theres anything vicious in the case brought by the McCanns...when the book came out posters were crying...why don't they sue if its untrue...they have had to sue to defend their reputation and I hope they win.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 28, 2013, 10:28:49 PM
I don't think theres anything vicious in the case brought by the McCanns...when the book came out posters were crying...why don't they sue if its untrue...they have had to sue to defend their reputation and I hope they win.

I dont remember anyone crying.....if you are sobbing and anxious take some camomile tea, its calming, nite now dear....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 10:40:26 PM
I dont remember anyone crying.....if you are sobbing and anxious take some camomile tea, its calming, nite now dear....

check out the several different meaning of the word crying
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 10:46:30 PM
And if he loses....even if he wins now if he makes any public appearances he will have to explain why the PJ and SY are looking for an abductor...will anyone be interested in his theories now

>@@(*&) Have they found one?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 28, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
And if he loses....even if he wins now if he makes any public appearances he will have to explain why the PJ and SY are looking for an abductor...will anyone be interested in his theories now
True SY on Crimewatch certainly give the appearance of looking exclusively for an abductor of some sort, but surely it would be usual practice behind the scenes to look comprehensively at all the possibilities?   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:00:15 PM
True SY on Crimewatch certainly give the appearance of looking exclusively for an abductor of some sort, but surely it would be usual practice behind the scenes to look comprehensively at all the possibilities?

Davel misses the point I think. They may well be looking only in one direction, but the more years that pass without resolution Mr Amaral's book looks better and better.

Though it's not perfect!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 11:01:52 PM
>@@(*&) Have they found one?

 I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 28, 2013, 11:06:44 PM
I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this

Why would they have even need to be ruled in, they were already exonerated weren't they?

And Clarence Mitchell said they had nothing to do with it so they obviously, definitely didn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:07:47 PM
I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this

And how can they be ruled out when nobody knows a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:11:31 PM
I cant see SY spending 5 million and two years without ruling out the parents first...a lot of posters wont want to accept this

The Prime Minister made it very clear where his loyalty lies, davel, and Madeleine's parents are supported by some of the nation's best lawyers.

Two reasons why the Met may have decided not to go down that road.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 11:15:06 PM
Why would they have even need to be ruled in, they were already exonerated weren't they?

And Clarence Mitchell said they had nothing to do with it so they obviously, definitely didn't.

SY said they were going right back to the beginning...remember
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 11:17:38 PM
The Prime Minister made it very clear where his loyalty lies, davel, and Madeleine's parents are supported by some of the nation's best lawyers.

Two reasons why the Met may have decided not to go down that road.

 I think its just wishful thinking by you that SY haven't looked at the evidence against the mCCanns...and decided they are not suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 28, 2013, 11:24:50 PM
Were there no provoking questions in the cw show at all?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 28, 2013, 11:28:36 PM
The Prime Minister made it very clear where his loyalty lies, davel, and Madeleine's parents are supported by some of the nation's best lawyers.

Two reasons why the Met may have decided not to go down that road.

Downing Street and SY are going to engage in a cover-up to protect the McCanns? Why?  Because the McCanns have good lawyers?
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:45:22 PM
Downing Street and SY are going to engage in a cover-up to protect the McCanns? Why?  Because the McCanns have good lawyers?
 

A cover-up? I didn't use that word. I'm just repeating what Cameron quite clearly has indicated in Parliament - why he has is a different issue and who could know why he made his decision.

But nobody can be in any doubt about his position on the case can they?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:49:17 PM
Downing Street and SY are going to engage in a cover-up to protect the McCanns? Why?  Because the McCanns have good lawyers?
 

Davel ignored my question: How can anyone (including the child's parents) be ruled in or out when - after Crimewatch - it's clear the police don't know a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 28, 2013, 11:57:04 PM
Davel ignored my question: How can anyone (including the child's parents) be ruled in or out when - after Crimewatch - it's clear the police don't know a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?

According to SY the McCanns have been ruled out so you need to ask them. Its quite obvious to me that the McCannns had no criminal responsibility with regards to Maddies disappearance...posters here might want to accept that there was an accident and  a cover up...or whatever... I imagine that SY think that all the available evidence shows that this just isn't possible
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 28, 2013, 11:59:38 PM
According to SY the McCanns have been ruled out so you need to ask them. Its quite obvious to me that the McCannns had no criminal responsibility with regards to Maddies disappearance...posters here might want to accept that there was an accident and  a cover up...or whatever... I imagine that SY think that all the available evidence shows that this just isn't possible

We will ask them 8)-))) When the investigation is over. They'll just ignore us now (and then 8(8-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:00:57 AM
A cover-up? I didn't use that word. I'm just repeating what Cameron quite clearly has indicated in Parliament - why he has is a different issue and who could know why he made his decision.

But nobody can be in any doubt about his position on the case can they?

I'm using the word cover up to take the thing to its logical extremity.

The PM may have made his loyalties clear, yes, and SY may be emphasising that the McCanns are not part of their investigation.

But that does not mean that either the government or SY have been pressurised or intimidated into those positions because of anything to do with the McCanns. Or any one else.

Though perhaps for another, altogether more powerful person or organisation, Cameron and SY would tow a line. Perhaps.

But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:03:51 AM
But davel all through 2007 we were told evidence existed that showed it was an abduction, but none ever emerged.

So you can see why we don't believe those who say the police have said Madeleine's parents aren't suspects based on evidence?

As Bush once famously nearly said: "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2013, 12:04:55 AM
It may seem better to you but the amaral has been ridiculed in the uk press so no one takes him seriously
Has anyone yet accused Mr Amaral of nudging someone during an Crimewatch interview?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:05:17 AM
A cover-up? I didn't use that word.
Not only the word but the concept.
SY was asked to review the case in order to find a little girl, likely alive since no evidence of harm nor corpse had been found.
How could they possibly achieve that investigating her parents ?
Instead of trying and examining what could and what couldn't have happened to her, they reviewed looking for an abductor who would lead them to Madeleine.
As they had been ordered to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:08:26 AM
Davel ignored my question: How can anyone (including the child's parents) be ruled in or out when - after Crimewatch - it's clear the police don't know a) what time the crime occurred, or b) what crime occurred?

DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:11:27 AM


But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   
Conspiracy adepts might suggest this, but there is none on this forum, SH.
The fact you have to contemplate is that many authorities from finance, politics, sport, show business etc.. have engaged their credibility in this case. For nothing in the world they'd accept they were cheated.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:15:52 AM
DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.

It's not just any case is it, SH. The pressure on those officers is immense, and if the press gets a whiff of the parents not actually not being suspects it could be 2007/8 pandemonium again.

I can quite understand the Met not wanting to risk that. It's a case that could ruin careers, as it did in Portugal of course. The London police know that.

(All just my opinions of course, but we all do sometimes forget just how high-profile a case this is I think).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2013, 12:18:03 AM
Not only the word but the concept.
SY was asked to review the case in order to find a little girl, likely alive since no evidence of harm nor corpse had been found.
How could they possibly achieve that investigating her parents ?
Instead of trying and examining what could and what couldn't have happened to her, they reviewed looking for an abductor who would lead them to Madeleine.
As they had been ordered to.

You have absolutely no idea what  sy have been asked to do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:18:32 AM
DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.
SY was imposed the likely ever lasting way, the abduction. Why would they risk the short cut (death in the flat) ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:20:08 AM
You have absolutely no idea what  sy have been asked to do
Sorry but I have. there was a public speech and even protest from some lord.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:21:12 AM
I'm using the word cover up to take the thing to its logical extremity.

The PM may have made his loyalties clear, yes, and SY may be emphasising that the McCanns are not part of their investigation.

But that does not mean that either the government or SY have been pressurised or intimidated into those positions because of anything to do with the McCanns. Or any one else.

Though perhaps for another, altogether more powerful person or organisation, Cameron and SY would tow a line. Perhaps.

But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   

It's not just them. They have their lawyers and a big supporting media lobby. And the PM.

But I'd think the lawyers are most important.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:24:11 AM
It's not just any case is it, SH. The pressure on those officers is immense, and if the press gets a whiff of the parents not actually not being suspects it could be 2007/8 pandemonium again.

I can quite understand the Met not wanting to risk that. It's a case that could ruin careers, as it did in Portugal of course. The London police know that.

(All just my opinions of course, but we all do sometimes forget just how high-profile a case this is I think).

I see your point, Lyall. Pressure is a big factor here. But the way I see it is that that pressure, and the spotlight SY and Cameron are under, actually make it less likely that they would take a risk in investigating the matter according to agendas, rather than according to investigative principles.

The consequences of adjusting their investigations and policies to fit the McCanns (or whomever they are trying to please) could backfire horribly against them. Worth the risk?

And if the investigation would be sacrificed to these agendas, whatever they were, then by definition it would not be being conducted properly - and there would be less chance of getting to the bottom of things. Another thing that does not make sense, taking into account the pressure here for the case to be solved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:27:41 AM
It's not just them. They have their lawyers and a big supporting media lobby. And the PM.

But I'd think the lawyers are most important.

Why are the lawyers so important? Carter- Ruck instill fear and trembling in Downing Street and Scotland Yard?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2013, 12:34:36 AM
Sorry but I have. there was a public speech and even protest from some lord.

You have misunderstood....unless you can post a link
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:38:05 AM
Conspiracy adepts might suggest this, but there is none on this forum, SH.
The fact you have to contemplate is that many authorities from finance, politics, sport, show business etc.. have engaged their credibility in this case. For nothing in the world they'd accept they were cheated.

I'm thinking about this point, Anne. Busy now but will get back to you soon!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 29, 2013, 12:43:19 AM
Has SY, having spent millions, conducted a proper police interview with the most important witness of all?
A witness who has never given her account of the last check in a proper police interview.
The interview on 4th May was conducted in clear violation of proper procedure.
And in the interview on 7th Sept the witness correctly exercised right of silence as advised by lawyer.
Let me stress I think that was correct in the circumstances and I believe the witness is completely innocent.
Has SY spent millions without even taking the obvious first step of doing this one properly conducted interview for the very first time?
Maybe they have and we would not know?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:43:52 AM
Why are the lawyers so important? Carter- Ruck instill fear and trembling in Downing Street and Scotland Yard?

And Kingsley Napley (McBride and Caplan). I do think people are wary of them, yes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on December 29, 2013, 12:52:00 AM
I'm using the word cover up to take the thing to its logical extremity.

The PM may have made his loyalties clear, yes, and SY may be emphasising that the McCanns are not part of their investigation.

But that does not mean that either the government or SY have been pressurised or intimidated into those positions because of anything to do with the McCanns. Or any one else.

Though perhaps for another, altogether more powerful person or organisation, Cameron and SY would tow a line. Perhaps.

But to suggest that a couple from Rothley have the government and  SY eating off their plate - far too far fetched.   
Exactly.  Perhaps another, altogether more powerful person or organisation is affecting the investigation.  Perhaps something globally important has to be hidden/ protected.   

Maybe SY have to produce "belt and braces" proofs in order to stand a chance against such people? ... in addition to some clever diplomatic work?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on December 29, 2013, 12:57:17 AM
And Kingsley Napley (McBride and Caplan). I do think people are wary of them, yes.
We ordinary people are, Yes

But not mega global organisations.  Some Organisations have their own high flying team of Lawyers.  Some are even adept at changing the scene and "facts" by manipulations that we could never dream of.  They would not be in fear of the likes of Carter Ruck.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 12:58:02 AM

The interview on 4th May was conducted in clear violation of proper procedure.

Why ? Because the McCanns obtained a favour that not many polices on the planet would have granted ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 12:58:26 AM
I see your point, Lyall. Pressure is a big factor here. But the way I see it is that that pressure, and the spotlight SY and Cameron are under, actually make it less likely that they would take a risk in investigating the matter according to agendas, rather than according to investigative principles.

The consequences of adjusting their investigations and policies to fit the McCanns (or whomever they are trying to please) could backfire horribly against them. Worth the risk?

And if the investigation would be sacrificed to these agendas, whatever they were, then by definition it would not be being conducted properly - and there would be less chance of getting to the bottom of things. Another thing that does not make sense, taking into account the pressure here for the case to be solved.

I think they can be confident, SH, that few if any will ever ask them to explain what they have done and why, and we have no freedom of information laws to assist members of the public or press to find out. That just doesn't happen in this country does it.

They have apparently used the same system they used in the Dando investigation more or less and they never explained why and where that investigation went wrong (campaigners for Barry George were convinced many suspects were never investigated at all). They had a review of that investigation and never explained what that showed either. They just don't have to in England do they.

There's no transparency at all unless Parliament requests it, and they rarely do.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 12:59:20 AM
And Kingsley Napley (McBride and Caplan). I do think people are wary of them, yes.

But what's the long term gain? SY and Cameron are pressurised into taking a particular course of action.

Then something in the investigation changes / is discovered, and the whole thing backfires. It is discovered that the government and SY have been acting improperly.

All for the sake of pacifying some canny lawyers?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:04:39 AM
I think they can be confident, SH, that few if any will ever ask them to explain what they have done and why, and we have no freedom of information laws to assist members of the public or press to find out. That just doesn't happen in this country does it.

They have apparently used the same system they used in the Dando investigation more or less and they never explained why and where that investigation went wrong (campaigners for Barry George were convinced many suspects were never investigated at all). They had a review of that investigation and never explained what that showed either. They just don't have to in England do they.

There's no transparency at all unless Parliament requests it, and they rarely do.
But there's a new phenomenon that they'll have to take into account : Internet forums and social networks.
See at the bottom how Nietzsche previewed it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:08:55 AM
But what's the long term gain? SY and Cameron are pressurised into taking a particular course of action.

Then something in the investigation changes / is discovered, and the whole thing backfires. It is discovered that the government and SY have been acting improperly.

All for the sake of pacifying some canny lawyers?

Ah I never said anyone was acting improperly. They're just acting cautiously as far as I can see, and not very urgently (it was 30 months before they said the 9.15 sighting was no longer being considered vital. 30 months?)

We'll see what transpires, SH, but Crimewatch I think confirmed our cynicism.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:11:43 AM
But there's a new phenomenon that they'll have to take into account : Internet forums and social networks.
See at the bottom how Nietzsche previewed it.

>@@(*&) I can't see Nietzsche being a fan of the internet, Anne.

This forum maybe, but facebook? 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:13:24 AM

 facebook? 8)--))
?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:18:56 AM
?{)(**

Thus Tweeted Zarathustra @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:25:20 AM
not very urgently (it was 30 months before they said the 9.15 sighting was no longer being considered vital. 30 months?)
They foresee that time heavily builds indifference.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:27:38 AM
I think they can be confident, SH, that few if any will ever ask them to explain what they have done and why, and we have no freedom of information laws to assist members of the public or press to find out. That just doesn't happen in this country does it.

They have apparently used the same system they used in the Dando investigation more or less and they never explained why and where that investigation went wrong (campaigners for Barry George were convinced many suspects were never investigated at all). They had a review of that investigation and never explained what that showed either. They just don't have to in England do they.

There's no transparency at all unless Parliament requests it, and they rarely do.

I am sure this could be right, Lyall. I am still young (-ish) and innocent (according to certain definitions) and find it hard to believe that the government and SY are going to dance to other people's tunes. Ultimately we don't know what is going on behind closed doors and should remember the fact.

SY fell short with the Dando case, certainly, though the Madeleine case is much, much bigger. It has been vastly more expensive and still has no discernible end in sight. A different era, somewhat, than the Dando  - time flies - with more public awareness and involvement, and a greater demand from the public for accountability perhaps?

You mention confidence, but how confident can any organisation be, in today's world, that what they would rather keep hidden will never be revealed?

A much too risky strategy that would only be embarked upon for reasons of far greater proportions than protecting the interests of one couple.

If this investigation, or the Madeleine case as a whole, involves individuals or matters of state - which it may do - of profound consequence;  if it is a powder keg under which a Profumo-like element rests, one could see the need for government fear and trembling, and for damage -limitation at all costs.

But to dance to the McCanns' tune for no real reason at all?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:31:13 AM
Thus Tweeted Zarathustra @)(++(*

It's no joke!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 01:33:45 AM
Thus Tweeted Zarathustra @)(++(*
We often contradict an opinion for no other reason than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.
less than 120
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:35:47 AM
Ah I never said anyone was acting improperly. They're just acting cautiously as far as I can see, and not very urgently (it was 30 months before they said the 9.15 sighting was no longer being considered vital. 30 months?)

We'll see what transpires, SH, but Crimewatch I think confirmed our cynicism.

Didn't it just confirm that SY don't appear - according to what they have chosen to reveal to us - to have made an enormous amount of progress?

Surely if they were bowing to pressure and trying to please people, they would be coming up with something a little more impressive than the admission that they still appear to have no idea what happened.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:51:33 AM
Didn't it just confirm that SY don't appear - according to what they have chosen to reveal to us - to have made an enormous amount of progress?

Surely if they were bowing to pressure and trying to please people, they would be coming up with something a little more impressive than the admission that they still appear to have no idea what happened.

They can't invent things can they, they can only hold up their hands and spin what little they do have (hugely aided by the press of course).

But Crimewatch was more PR than appeal for information, with the usual story of how nice a holiday it had been and the 'reconstruction' etc. - plus prerecorded interviews (one of which was changed between trailer and transmission). So Redwood did take part in a mainly reputation management exercise in my view.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 01:54:51 AM
We often contradict an opinion for no other reason than that we do not like the tone in which it is expressed.
less than 120

Ok, he'd like Twitter ?{)(** He'd enjoy having followers definitely, but who would Nietzsche follow? Nobody, I'd bet. 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 01:57:19 AM
They can't invent things can they, they can only hold up their hands and spin what little they do have (hugely aided by the press of course).

But Crimewatch was more PR than appeal for information, with the usual story of how nice a holiday it had been and the 'reconstruction' etc. - plus prerecorded interviews (one of which was changed between trailer and transmission). So Redwood did take part in a mainly reputation management exercise in my view.

Yes agreed, it was PR more than information.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 02:03:10 AM
Ok, he'd like Twitter ?{)(** He'd enjoy having followers definitely, but who would Nietzsche follow? Nobody, I'd bet. 8)--))
Lou von Salome, Peter Gast, Paul Deussen..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 02:17:06 AM
I am sure this could be right, Lyall. I am still young (-ish) and innocent (according to certain definitions) and find it hard to believe that the government and SY are going to dance to other people's tunes. Ultimately we don't know what is going on behind closed doors and should remember the fact.

SY fell short with the Dando case, certainly, though the Madeleine case is much, much bigger. It has been vastly more expensive and still has no discernible end in sight. A different era, somewhat, than the Dando  - time flies - with more public awareness and involvement, and a greater demand from the public for accountability perhaps?

You mention confidence, but how confident can any organisation be, in today's world, that what they would rather keep hidden will never be revealed?

A much too risky strategy that would only be embarked upon for reasons of far greater proportions than protecting the interests of one couple.

If this investigation, or the Madeleine case as a whole, involves individuals or matters of state - which it may do - of profound consequence;  if it is a powder keg under which a Profumo-like element rests, one could see the need for government fear and trembling, and for damage -limitation at all costs.

But to dance to the McCanns' tune for no real reason at all?

I think Anne's post at 12:05 is how they have approached it. They'll be well aware of all the theories but Campbell's system is based on gathering all the evidence and prioritising it. It's not based on following particular theories but on identifying matches between bits of evidence. I think.

But if that approach doesn't come up with anything, what then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 02:23:28 AM
Conspiracy adepts might suggest this, but there is none on this forum, SH.
The fact you have to contemplate is that many authorities from finance, politics, sport, show business etc.. have engaged their credibility in this case. For nothing in the world they'd accept they were cheated.

I have thought about this and I agree fully.

The best way of SY proving their worth in this case is not by performing party tricks, but to find a solution as to what happened to Madeleine.

Too much bowing down for the sake of pleasing people would hinder the investigation, and cause SY to be portrayed in a bad light. No incentive for them to do this.

So it's not a contradiction to note the fact that they are under pressure, and at the same time say that their interest lies in investigating according to honest principles.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 02:29:59 AM
Lou von Salome, Peter Gast, Paul Deussen..

8((()*/ You're a Nietzsche expert, Anne?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 02:38:17 AM
I think Anne's post at 12:05 is how they have approached it. They'll be well aware of all the theories but Campbell's system is based on gathering all the evidence and prioritising it. It's not based on following particular theories but on identifying matches between bits of evidence. I think.

But if that approach doesn't come up with anything, what then?

Anne at 12:05 is pragmatic as ever. I am too theoretical and idealistic.

I understand your explanation regarding gathering evidence not according to theory but rather by matching things up. But that doesn't contradict the notion that the McCanns must have been considered possible suspects by SY in some sense, because not following a particular theory entails leaving all possibilities on the table.

Or does it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 02:40:42 AM
8((()*/ You're a Nietzsche expert, Anne?
I'm not, but I observe that he's the one who occupies the largest space on my bookshelves..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 03:02:57 AM
Anne at 12:05 is pragmatic as ever. I am too theoretical and idealistic.

I understand your explanation regarding gathering evidence not according to theory but rather by matching things up. But that doesn't contradict the notion that the McCanns must have been considered possible suspects by SY in some sense, because not following a particular theory entails leaving all possibilities on the table.

Or does it?

I don't think anyone knows, SH. All will be revealed one day I expect. Maybe 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on December 29, 2013, 03:06:32 AM
I'm not, but I observe that he's the one who occupies the largest space on my bookshelves..

James Joyce on mine, though I can't honestly say I've read all of it 8()-000(

Many times I've told the old joke about Ulysses: "Great preface!" 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on December 29, 2013, 03:15:04 AM
the McCanns must have been considered possible suspects by SY in some sense, because not following a particular theory entails leaving all possibilities on the table.

Or does it?
The thought is likely at the back of their minds, but they take good care to have it under control, applying a sort of "vade retro satanas".
The focus has left Madeleine long ago for her parents' benefit. But it isn't on them any more. A statement that they did this or that or didn't wouldn't be sufficient. What is expected is true speech, speech that would say something about them and provide a basis for fair justice.
The focus now is on SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 29, 2013, 06:26:31 AM
If Amaral had seen fit to visit the crime scene maybe we would have more facts,  he didn't interview the parents, didn't visit the crime scene, heard everything second hand. He could even  be classed as an armchair detective like the rest of us.

He is a co-ordinator.

All the big cheese police detectives even the UK, sit in their office and go through all the stuff the detectives under them gathers.

Its not CIS or any other T.V. series its true life.

Everything goes through him to be looked at and discussed and put in piles of importance etc.

He did go in the field anyway, perhaps you might not know about it, but he did even to the detriment of his marriage.

Its all there if you want to read about it.

At the start of this you have to remember it was simply thought it was a child who had wandered off.

There are NO abductions in PDL a quiet village its full of ex pats and children living there are considered safe.

A lot of the ground work had been done BEFORE the PJ were brought in.

Mr Amaral was there to co-ordinate the investigation not to go looking into into bins.

There was a HUGE amount of stuff gathered boxes and boxes of it. Can you imagine having to co-ordinate all of it. It was made even worse because of the appeals by the parents allowing so many nut jobs to say they had seen the child even in australia. EVERY sighting had to be checked. Jeez cant imagine it.

There was so much stuff gathered it took SY 2 years to go through it all to find ANYTHING the PJ may have missed.

So far what have they come up with?

Tannerman which was discounted already.

and......................................>????

oh and an appeal on CW of dodgy Efits already known about, aka Smiths already know about and about 3,000 more bogus phone calls to trawl through.......and its cost us lot in the UK what over 2 million ....... which could have been spent on helping the disabled in this country from freezing or going hungry............
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2013, 08:00:01 AM
He is a co-ordinator.

All the big cheese police detectives even the UK, sit in their office and go through all the stuff the detectives under them gathers.

Its not CIS or any other T.V. series its true life.

Everything goes through him to be looked at and discussed and put in piles of importance etc.

He did go in the field anyway, perhaps you might not know about it, but he did even to the detriment of his marriage.

Its all there if you want to read about it.

At the start of this you have to remember it was simply thought it was a child who had wandered off.

There are NO abductions in PDL a quiet village its full of ex pats and children living there are considered safe.

A lot of the ground work had been done BEFORE the PJ were brought in.

Mr Amaral was there to co-ordinate the investigation not to go looking into into bins.

There was a HUGE amount of stuff gathered boxes and boxes of it. Can you imagine having to co-ordinate all of it. It was made even worse because of the appeals by the parents allowing so many nut jobs to say they had seen the child even in australia. EVERY sighting had to be checked. Jeez cant imagine it.

There was so much stuff gathered it took SY 2 years to go through it all to find ANYTHING the PJ may have missed.

So far what have they come up with?

Tannerman which was discounted already.

and......................................>????

oh and an appeal on CW of dodgy Efits already known about, aka Smiths already know about and about 3,000 more bogus phone calls to trawl through.......and its cost us lot in the UK what over 2 million ....... which could have been spent on helping the disabled in this country from freezing or going hungry............

Nicely put.

 8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on December 29, 2013, 08:46:48 AM
DCI Redwood announced on the same programme that he and his officers had taken the investigation 'back to zero' and were 'assuming nothing'.

Unless he is lying blatantly, that means just that; namely, that the McCann's must at some point during his investigation been considered possible suspects.

On that understanding, SY must hold information contradicting the notion that the McCanns are involved. Or, they must hold no positive evidence suggesting their involvement.

Totally agree SH.    It's quite obvious that the first task undertaken by SY would be to thoroughly investigate the McCanns and their friends to the Nth degree - to see if there could be the slightest chance that Amaral's claims were credible  - and also to establish whether the McCanns and the group were credible witnesses.

SY have far more information about the case and the people involved in it than we do - and also have the experience, the expertise and extensive investigatory powers that we don't have.   

Pretending that we can possibly know as much about the case as they do is ridiculous.  To go even further and claim that we know better than they do is even more ridiculous imo.

Then there is that very large elephant in the room  i.e.   - Would the McCanns have constantly pressed for the case to be re-opened and re-investigated if they were guilty?     Not a chance  - as that makes no sense at all to any reasonable person imo.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 29, 2013, 11:35:13 AM
Oh ok. Well its terrible leaving children is never acceptable.

That is precisely the point and no matter what the mccanns and their backers say, they can't overcome that,

and what did they say on the first crimewatch about their parenting skills weren't in question........................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 29, 2013, 11:48:30 AM
That is precisely the point and no matter what the mccanns and their backers say, they can't overcome that,

and what did they say on the first crimewatch about their parenting skills weren't in question........................

I have absolutely no concerns over the McCanns parental ability, post May 3rd 2007 that is.

Personally I don't think the children were really at risk of 'abduction' because the apartment was locked with all shutters closed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 05:43:00 PM

Eta forgive me....gerry did tell us in an interview less than three weeks later that he had thousands of letters sayng they had done the same or would do the same, oops....

Which in itself shows how dangerous it all is, and how much clarity that it is not OK is needed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 05:47:49 PM
A polite reminder to all that the terms 'pro' and 'anti' are best avoided.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 05:51:44 PM
A polite reminder to all that the terms 'pro' and 'anti' are best avoided.

Thank you, SH.  A shame people can't take that on board without a moderator having to be involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 29, 2013, 05:51:49 PM
yes we have had it before so why do posters still make the ridiculous claim that the McCanns should prove their innocence..

Stop obfuscating.....the discussion was about what the PPs report said and what his words were in terms of prove demonstrate etc etc etc......not what posters say think wish claim etc, rolley eyes

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 29, 2013, 05:54:52 PM
Stop obfuscating.....the discussion was about what the PPs report said and what his words were in terms of prove demonstrate etc etc etc......not what posters say think wish claim etc, rolley eyes

 you obviously haven't kept up with the discussion... I was responding directly to a post by anne that contained the word proved
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 05:55:43 PM
Many..many parents have done this...what Gerry is saying is true. What the abduction of Maddie has done means that a lot less people will do it now

And even fewer would do it if the McCanns admitted it was the wrong thing to do instead of making excuse - IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on December 29, 2013, 06:05:12 PM
Only a personal opinion...the actual law is vague

But government and NSPCC guidelines are not vague
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on December 29, 2013, 06:05:23 PM
Ah. misunderstood   8(8-))

No worries

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on December 29, 2013, 06:24:46 PM
Previous posts deleted for irrelevance to topic.

Please stick to topic and avoid personal insults.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 03, 2014, 11:04:17 PM
Sorry I have not answered to you yet. I am reading this breaking news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 03, 2014, 11:16:47 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html



Ok then

SY not doing a running commentary then.....but someone is.....and that someone is talking balldecocks...oh well roll on jan 7 th


 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 03, 2014, 11:28:27 PM
Thanks Heriberto.
Might merit a new thread?
Seems you, me, and SY are on similar tracks.
But IMO there is no way burglars would take a child.
They didn't take that baby in the news article
IMO a would-be burglary, disturbed before entry, is what caused exit to another room and indirectly caused what followed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 03, 2014, 11:37:04 PM
And even fewer would do it if the McCanns admitted it was the wrong thing to do instead of making excuse - IMO
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 03, 2014, 11:39:44 PM
Sorry I have not answered to you yet. I am reading this breaking news:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html)
Well done Heri 8@??)(

Something tells me that you knew all about this before ... maybe helped a little on the way? ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 03, 2014, 11:41:41 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html



Ok then

SY not doing a running commentary then.....but someone is.....and that someone is talking balldecocks...oh well roll on jan 7 th


 8((()*/

hmm,  this claim comes not from the police ,  but from  'an  informed    source' 

...  that would be Clarence Mitchell then,  would it  ? 

At this point,  I   have the feeling that no-one in the McCann camp is being kept 'informed'  of very much at all 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 03, 2014, 11:47:37 PM
hmm,  this claim comes not from the police ,  but from  'an  informed    source' 

...  that would be Clarence Mitchell then,  would it  ? 

At this point,  I   have the feeling that no-one in the McCann camp is being kept 'informed'  of very much at all

I noticed an unamed detective branded the Portuguese investigation a disgrace.

Is that something they are likely to say when trying to form a joint investigation team?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 03, 2014, 11:48:00 PM
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.

Cite?


Dont exist
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 03, 2014, 11:52:04 PM
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.

I have never heard the McCanns say they were wrong to leave the children alone, just say they regret not being there when she was taken.  And, indeed, in the intro to the CrimeWatch programme Kate McCann said they had done nothing wrong
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 03, 2014, 11:58:10 PM
I have never heard the McCanns say they were wrong to leave the children alone, just say they regret not being there when she was taken.  And, indeed, in the intro to the CrimeWatch programme Kate McCann said they had done nothing wrong

Indeed cpn they are both on record as saying they are sorry they were not there at the moment maddie was taken wtf

Apart from myipad suddenly deciding i need a split keyboard without my knowledge both bizzare nite
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:08:33 AM
Indeed cpn they are both on record as saying they are sorry they were not there at the moment maddie was taken wtf

The McCanns have used the strangest language  since the very begining,  in an attempt,  I believe,  to avoid using  the obvious, straightforward,   and truthful language  that they, perhaps,   feel  might reflect badly on them

With regard to the point you raise,  they use the nonsensical phrase,   "We regret we were not there at the moment Madeleine was taken",   as a way of avoiding the much more  lucid and honest phrase  ...  "We regret leaving her alone"

They temper their behaviour by expressing regret for what they did not  do  ...  rather than  what they  did  do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
The McCanns have used the strangest language  since the very begining,  in an attempt,  I believe,  to avoid using  the obvious, straightforward,   and truthful language  that they, perhaps,   feel  might reflect badly on them

With regard to the point you raise,  they use the nonsensical phrase,   "We regret we were not there at the moment Madeleine was taken",   as a way of avoiding the much more  lucid and honest phrase  ...  "We regret leaving her alone"

They temper their behaviour by expressing regret for what they did not  do  ...  rather than  what they  did  do

Its still a shit statement.,, almost as shit as apple forcing me ona split keyboard with no warnng..nite
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 12:19:31 AM
DAILYMAIL: "Suspects made an 'unusually high' number of calls hours after Maddie was reported missing"
.
IMO these three men are probably 3 locals who were out searching all night.
Who made lots of phonecalls to each other while searching different parts of town.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 12:22:47 AM
hmm,  this claim comes not from the police ,  but from  'an  informed    source' 

...  that would be Clarence Mitchell then,  would it  ? 

At this point,  I   have the feeling that no-one in the McCann camp is being kept 'informed'  of very much at all

Looks like this informed source sure is desperate to push the burglary theory...I wonder why?    If ever there was a case for legislation controlling the Press it is now.  There are a few decent honest journalists around but I am afraid they are outnumber by the chancers who are only out to make a quick buck.  It does appear that the Press can print just about anything with impunity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:23:04 AM
Indeed, the Press are rehashing old news and that is exactly what the Daily Mail are promoting tonight. They must think people are stupid, its not as Redwood and his team are going to tell them anything which they can plaster all over the place.  The Press have a lot to answer for in this case and it isn't getting any better.  The crap which these newspaper are publishing is astonishing, one has to wonder who is promoting it and why?

The papers are getting this nonsense from somewhere,  for sure

Who,  might we guess,  is feeding them  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:25:57 AM
Looks like this informed source sure is desperate to push the burglary theory...I wonder why?

An attempt to distract from the imminent libel trial outcome  perhaps  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 12:27:49 AM
DAILYMAIL: "Suspects made an 'unusually high' number of calls hours after Maddie was reported missing"
.
IMO these three men are probably 3 locals who were out searching all night.
Who made lots of phonecalls to each other while searching different parts of town.

Indeed.

Surely the whole town would have been abuzz with news and discussion of her disappearance.

Seems that there were far more calls in general made shortly after her disappearance than before (see table on Heriberto's blog for example).

Same goes for Murat calling what's his name. Nothing at all odd about friends or neighbours discussing the case. Would be odd, in a small town, if they didn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:35:04 AM
Indeed.

Surely the whole town would have been abuzz with news and discussion of her disappearance.

Seems that there were far more calls in general made shortly after her disappearance than before (see table on Heriberto's blog for example).

Same goes for Murat calling what's his name. Nothing at all odd about friends or neighbours discussing the case. Would be odd, in a small town, if they didn't.

I don't think a forensic investigation of telephone data can, or should,  be minimised

It was months ago that Scotland Yard first alluded to the importance of phone records and I suspect that is what they have been working on relentlessy for several months

...  it may be where the answers lie
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 12:41:02 AM
Perhaps you were deaf to them CPN.  I have heard them say they made a mistake several times now and they regretted it.

Do you want them to keep on saying the same thing?  Seems like rubbing salt into a wound to me.

No, but it would be nice to hear them state in simple language once in a while that they were at fault 
Instead, all we get are excuses and platitudes to the effect that they did nothing wrong.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 12:48:31 AM
I don't think a forensic investigation of telephone data can, or should,  be minimised

It was months ago that Scotland Yard first alluded to the importance of phone records and I suspect that is what they have been working on relentlessy for several months

...  it may be where the answers lie

Nice to be 'talking' with you again, icabod.

Absolutely, the triangulation and so on is of great importance. I didn't mean to trivialise it.

What I meant was, with reference to the article to which pegasus alludes, that it's just like any other piece or type of evidence: simply abstract information until corroborated against something else.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 12:53:31 AM
The Mail says
"the burglars may have panicked after they woke Madeleine up by mistake and decided to take her away with them"

Sorry but burglars are not that stupid.
A burglar disturbed by a child will flee WITHOUT harming or taking the child.

An example is given in the Mail article - elsewhere in Praia da Luz a burglar is disturbed by a baby and does NOT take the baby.

But try this: a would-be thief thinks everyone is out (and yes that is how it looked isn't it?). Opens window and shutter from outside. Hears/sees awoken person inside. Flees, never entering, taking nothing. So there you have the first room solved. It explains the puzzle of the apparantly purposelessly open window and shutter, it explains the enigmas that no-one entered, and that no possesions were taken, and most important it explains exit to another room which no other theory comes near explaining.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 12:54:51 AM
Nice to be 'talking' with you again, icabod.

Absolutely, the triangulation and so on is of great importance. I didn't mean to trivialise it.

What I meant was, with reference to the article to which pegasus alludes, that it's just like any other piece or type of evidence: simply abstract information until corroborated against something else.

oh I agree  ...  the article linked is meaningless flotsam floated for unknown reasons by an unknown  'informed source' 

The  actual  police investigation into telephone data  (  which we will  not  see in the tabloids )  is quite a different kettle of fish
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 01:05:52 AM
Wasn't it UK who provided phone analysts in the early investigation?
Going by memory, no source, anyone else have one?
I know all PDL mast to PDL mast calls were analyzed for two short periods that night - those lists in the files.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 01:21:15 AM
Wasn't it UK who provided phone analysts in the early investigation?
Going by memory, no source, anyone else have one?
I know all PDL mast to PDL mast calls were analyzed for two short periods that night - those lists in the files.

I'm sorry,  I  don't know pegasus

I recall,   though, that the Portuguese police wanted to use the McCanns'  telephone data in their case but were prevented from doing so by a Portuguese Judge  (  privacy laws  ?  )

Would Scotland Yard be free from such restrictiions,  I wonder   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 01:29:30 AM
Are we to assume from the fact that presumably the mobiles in question were on contract that the three suspect burglars are Portuguese?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 04, 2014, 01:41:49 AM
Are we to assume from the fact that presumably the mobiles in question were on contract that the three suspect burgla rs are Portuguese?

I don't think we can assume or presume anything from this Daily Mail article

The claim about  'suspect burglars'  is made by an anonymous  'informed'  source  (  Clarence Mitchell  ?  )

Where the police   are quoted there is nothing to suggest the telephone data they are investigating is related to   'burglars'   at all   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 01:51:07 AM
It was the Met who provided the phone experts in May 2007.
 Guardian 1st June 2007..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 02:02:03 AM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/jun/01/ukcrime.madeleinemccann
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 02:22:30 AM
I don't think we can assume or presume anything from this Daily Mail article

The claim about  'suspect burglars'  is made by an anonymous  'informed'  source  (  Clarence Mitchell  ?  )

Where the police   are quoted there is nothing to suggest the telephone data they are investigating is related to   'burglars'   at all

One Portuguese and two not British, so it says.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 05:43:45 AM
I don't believe it's taken them so long to analyse the phone masts data.. What can be so complicated about this?

Just give it to a computer programmer and he'd pick up the nearest calls, the most used numbers, the people who came in to the town and later left.. all sorts of info..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 04, 2014, 06:30:36 AM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html



Ok then

SY not doing a running commentary then.....but someone is.....and that someone is talking balldecocks...oh well roll on jan 7 th


 8((()*/

A GANG...3 people lol...

Eamonn Holmes asked a RESIDENT and a guy in the know about any burglaries in the area and he stated he didnt know of ANY not loads anyway........

A GANG would mean lots of burglaries going on and surely would have been noted. One would think.

It was the quiet season too, so why would a GANG be working at the beginning of the season when there was small pickings.

Its a huge jump from taking away a passport or two, to taking away a 4 year old child...who surely would have screamed blue murder if THREE strange men tried to take her away.

IF they had got into the apartment why wouldnt they also snatch the passports etc.....

All this mobile phone malarky proves nothing.

Surely in this day and age after 7 years you would know who was where....and if they were a gang they would have pay as you go lol without GPS.

The Mail is one of those papers I ignore. Didnt they push tractor man as being the suspect.

Now here is odd. In the same article it says SY is not looking at TRACTORMAN, yet he was a known thief, according to all the media.

I cant imagine the child being taken out of the flat quietly no way......

PDL is supposed to be a quiet village, the way you read it, well you wouldnt want to stay there, full of PEDOPHILES, BURGLARS, AND ANYTHING else you would like to throw at them poor citizens.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 07:01:39 AM
'The gang' was made of three people.. one Portuguese and two other nationalities? I bet 'the two' were of some Eastern European origin..
Why would they take the child? The only 'why' that comes to my mind is if the child knows one of them.. i.e. if it was a resort worker whom she saw on regular basis.
But would they kill a child for this reason? What state of mind one needs to be in to kill a child. so she doesn't tell!
The second reason for taking her would be to sell her.. for that the thieves would have to have the buyer ready.. Would they at this point have a ready buyer waiting for a blond child.. I don't think so!
The third reason would be to abuse her.. then in this scenario we would need to have the thieves who are at the same time child abusers.. and all three of them? this would be a very rare situation!

The longer I think about this, and I am a long standing pro.. I have a feeling there is a UK connection to this case.. and that this was all organised before they even left for Portugal..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 04, 2014, 07:19:17 AM
'The gang' was made of three people.. one Portuguese and two other nationalities? I bet 'the two' were of some Eastern European origin..
Why would they take the child? The only 'why' that comes to my mind is if the child knows one of them.. i.e. if it was a resort worker whom she saw on regular basis.
But would they kill a child for this reason? What state of mind one needs to be in to kill a child. so she doesn't tell!
The second reason for taking her would be to sell her.. for that the thieves would have to have the buyer ready.. Would they at this point have a ready buyer waiting for a blond child.. I don't think so!
The third reason would be to abuse her.. then in this scenario we would need to have the thieves who are at the same time child abusers.. and all three of them? this would be a very rare situation!

The longer I think about this, and I am a long standing pro.. I have a feeling there is a UK connection to this case.. and that this was all organised before they even left for Portugal..

Perhaps not so far fetched.

You know its odd I have lived ALL over the world, been to many holiday locations and never once got burglarised in my hotel or apartment. I know of a couple of people who got pick pocketed but in the main MOST places we stayed had a safe for valuables.

We are talking about a small town PDL. BEFORE all this who ha, it was a known place to visit, was even on the programme Home in the Sun....it looked lovely, quiet and friendly, and was known for being safe and child friendly. The perfect place to buy an apartment or villa.

Now like I have said we are expected to believe that it is actually like Cornwall used to be in the olden times, full of pirates, thieves and rogues lol...jeez who would want to go live there, who would want to BUY a house there.

If I had a home there and was struggling to sell it with all this negative news about the place I think i might be seeking a lawyer for compensation from holiday makers, who have allowed all this to happen in the first place.

By their selfish act of leaving their children on their own every night, and one child been taken away, they have changed PDL into a village which is full of gypsies after your blonde kids, thieves, pedophiles and all other creepy and horrible people. All because of the cost of a BABYSITTER.

I wonder if I would win a case?

LUDICROUS isnt it, but sadly its FACT, not fiction.

This one missing child has caused much heartache for many families...who have touched it even slightly.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 08:27:32 AM
Perhaps not so far fetched.

You know its odd I have lived ALL over the world, been to many holiday locations and never once got burglarised in my hotel or apartment. I know of a couple of people who got pick pocketed but in the main MOST places we stayed had a safe for valuables.

We are talking about a small town PDL. BEFORE all this who ha, it was a known place to visit, was even on the programme Home in the Sun....it looked lovely, quiet and friendly, and was known for being safe and child friendly. The perfect place to buy an apartment or villa.

Now like I have said we are expected to believe that it is actually like Cornwall used to be in the olden times, full of pirates, thieves and rogues lol...jeez who would want to go live there, who would want to BUY a house there.

If I had a home there and was struggling to sell it with all this negative news about the place I think i might be seeking a lawyer for compensation from holiday makers, who have allowed all this to happen in the first place.

By their selfish act of leaving their children on their own every night, and one child been taken away, they have changed PDL into a village which is full of gypsies after your blonde kids, thieves, pedophiles and all other creepy and horrible people. All because of the cost of a BABYSITTER.

I wonder if I would win a case?

LUDICROUS isnt it, but sadly its FACT, not fiction.

This one missing child has caused much heartache for many families...who have touched it even slightly.

Well, I believe in a fate.. I think even the babysitter wouldn't help if it was destined to happen.

The burglaries are the fact. All due to the problems in economies all around Europe. I know of several people who got mugged in Spain, around the same time. Gypsies are also a fact, not only in PDL but everywhere..
The opening up of the Europe to ex Russian etc countries and without the proper EUROPEAN police cooperation is crime of its own.. a heaven for all kind of dodgy characters..
The EU wanted to copy US, but the US has a strong united police force.. something EU doesn't have..
So, at the time Madeleine disappeared the EU borders were open, she could have been in Estonia in matter of a day. with no border controls and same time no united policing..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2014, 10:28:42 AM
I have never heard the McCanns say they were wrong to leave the children alone, just say they regret not being there when she was taken.  And, indeed, in the intro to the CrimeWatch programme Kate McCann said they had done nothing wrong

They didn't do anything wrong.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 10:34:12 AM
They didn't do anything wrong.

To your mind.  To my mind they did.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 10:35:31 AM
They didn't do anything wrong.

 Agreed...why do some people have such a fixation with this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2014, 10:45:59 AM
Agreed...why do some people have such a fixation with this?

Because this is all that they have left with which to bash The McCanns.  But it is still only a matter of opinion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 11:14:41 AM
To your mind.  To my mind they did.
 
The McCanns have admitted it was their fault the abductor was given the opportunity to take their daughter.
They have admitted they were not there for her.
They have admitted they let her down.
They have said their guilt over their actions will stay with them forever.

I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault.   Even you must see that simply is not the case.

IMO You obviously disagree totally with the Baby Listening Service which the McCanns mirrored   Have you not thought it would be a more productive use of your time to try to get that service declared illegal?   The McCanns can't do that for you - no matter how long you spend villifying them on forums. 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 11:19:00 AM
 
The McCanns have admitted it was their fault the abductor was given the opportunity to take their daughter.
They have admitted they were not there for her.
They have admitted they let her down.
They have said their guilt over their actions will stay with them forever.

I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault.   Even you must see that simply is not the case.

IMO You obviously disagree totally with the Baby Listening Service which the McCanns mirrored   Have you not thought it would be a more productive use of your time to try to get that service declared illegal?  The McCanns can't do that for you - no matter how long you spend villifying them on forums.

Surely they could if they so wished. They clearly have the ear of many influential people, including senior politicians who could make it happen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 04, 2014, 11:28:52 AM
Breaking News: Two new main suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have gone missing. A detective working on the case commented, "It was bad enough having one missing person but now we have three. These two suspects hold all the answers to this case and they must be found." Reports say a pack of sniffer dogs were last seen chasing the two suspects but they managed to flee in a getaway car with the boot still open. The detective confirmed the sighting, "Yes we know it was them because in their escape they dropped a pink toy which the dogs reacted to and it had a strange foul smell of sea-bass!" (Cadaverine Daily)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 12:03:13 PM
Surely they could if they so wished. They clearly have the ear of many influential people, including senior politicians who could make it happen.

Ahh the 'friends in high places' claim.   Sorry but a total myth as far as I am concerned.

There is nothing to stop anyone lobbying their MP, or starting a campaign or getting up a petition to have the service made illegal if they feel so strongly about it - whereas  bashing the McCanns wont make a scrap of difference to anything IMO.   

OOps I think we're wandering off topic- so won't post again. 

 

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 12:54:10 PM
Breaking News: Two new main suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have gone missing. A detective working on the case commented, "It was bad enough having one missing person but now we have three. These two suspects hold all the answers to this case and they must be found." Reports say a pack of sniffer dogs were last seen chasing the two suspects but they managed to flee in a getaway car with the boot still open. The detective confirmed the sighting, "Yes we know it was them because in their escape they dropped a pink toy which the dogs reacted to and it had a strange foul smell of sea-bass!" (Cadaverine Daily)

It must have been the smell of those damn sardines  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
I see the Daily Mail is running a new story about the McCann investigation  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 01:55:55 PM
I see the Daily Mail is running a new story about the McCann investigation  http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.

just read the first 12 comments...not one critical of the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 02:01:47 PM
Berbs51 Chesire, Cheshire, United Kingdom, 10 hours ago
This is the latest comment



I find this such a very sad case, your grieving for a child all the time not knowing what has happened to her, it's been the same for Ben Needhams mum years and years of torture. These people who write things like clutching at straws and other negative things, I would clutch at anything to find out what happened to my child. Just be grateful it wasn't your child that was taken


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html#ixzz2pREDjtFG
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It has 3689 green arrows and 284 red in 10 hours

Arrows aren't moderated so this shows overwhelming support for the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 02:01:53 PM
so they are, but I believe there are  more than 155.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
Well, I believe in a fate.. I think even the babysitter wouldn't help if it was destined to happen.

The burglaries are the fact. All due to the problems in economies all around Europe. I know of several people who got mugged in Spain, around the same time. Gypsies are also a fact, not only in PDL but everywhere..
The opening up of the Europe to ex Russian etc countries and without the proper EUROPEAN police cooperation is crime of its own.. a heaven for all kind of dodgy characters..
The EU wanted to copy US, but the US has a strong united police force.. something EU doesn't have..
So, at the time Madeleine disappeared the EU borders were open, she could have been in Estonia in matter of a day. with no border controls and same time no united policing..

What you write is totally spot on.  I saw it for myself when in Spain.  The Russian Mafia controlled just about every bit of serious crime at that time and the authorities were almost powerless to stop it.  It was well known at the time that every prison along the road from Russia to Iberia was full of Russian criminals and probably still is.  It was the same with the Poles and the Romanians but to a lesser extent as they tended to be the petty criminals with many bringing their own sisters down to Spain to work as prostitutes on the pretence that they were being educated.  Charming people!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 04, 2014, 02:16:52 PM
just read the first 12 comments...not one critical of the McCanns

Indeed.  Comforting to see.  I don't bother to comment myself these days.

PS.  Have The Red Arrow Brigade arrived yet?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
Indeed.  Comforting to see.  I don't bother to comment myself these days.

PS.  Have The Red Arrow Brigade arrived yet?

 They have but are outnumbered 15 to 1 by the green arrows...seems the support for the MccAnns is strong
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 02:54:07 PM
 
The McCanns have admitted it was their fault the abductor was given the opportunity to take their daughter.
They have admitted they were not there for her.
They have admitted they let her down.
They have said their guilt over their actions will stay with them forever.

I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault.   Even you must see that simply is not the case.

IMO You obviously disagree totally with the Baby Listening Service which the McCanns mirrored   Have you not thought it would be a more productive use of your time to try to get that service declared illegal?   The McCanns can't do that for you - no matter how long you spend villifying them on forums.

"I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault. "  Because they have not acknowledged that leaving three under fours alone in the first place was wrong - indeed Kate said recently "we did nothing wrong".   As John has said, "it would be nice to hear them state in simple language once in a while that they were at fault. Instead, all we get are excuses and platitudes to the effect that they did nothing wrong."

Re the baby listening service - I have already made it clear that I do not know the present attitude of Social Services towards this, so there is no point in constantly addressing the same question to me.  As I and others have also already said, there is a difference from the situation the McCanns were in, in that hotels, or those I have recently stayed in, are usually self-contained buildings with a reception etc, not independent flats open to the street.

As to how I spend my time, I will determine that for myself, and trying to avoid the abuse, including neglect of children comes first for me - children left alone in unprotected situations, including hotel rooms if that is the case, comes under all that.  Nor do I "vilify" the McCanns - if anything I vilify their actions and indeed the actions of any parents which puts their children at risk.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:18:03 PM
just read the first 12 comments...not one critical of the McCanns

The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 03:21:47 PM
The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?

No need - most thinking people have got that message by now.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:23:05 PM
No need - most thinking people have got that message by now.  8(0(*

Indeed. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 03:31:07 PM
The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?

 im aware that comments are moderated..i was responding to this piece of disinformation from Jassi...

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.


 The arrows are not moderated and they are supportive of the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 03:34:43 PM
The comments are edited,so  many don't appear.

As to the article, why doesn't it mention there is nae evidence of abduction ?

Of course they are censored.  The Press is unfit to regulate itself.  Like this story most of what they print is either half truths or downright lies.  This spokesperson with all this inside information must be a busy guy.   @)(++(*

The arrows relate to the comments, nothing more.   All the negative and critical ones are whooshed.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:35:01 PM
im aware that comments are moderated..i was responding to this piece of disinformation from Jassi...

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.


 The arrows are not moderated and they are supportive of the McCanns


Now if these same people were acquainted with the true facts of what the Mccanns singularly failed to do, what then ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 03:36:25 PM

Now if these same people were acquainted with the true facts of what the Mccanns singularly failed to do, what then ?

 perhaps if you were acquainted with the true facts..what then
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 04, 2014, 03:36:42 PM
Of course they are censored.  The Press is unfit to regulate itself.  Like this story most of what they print is either half truths or downright lies.  This spokesperson with all this inside information must be a busy guy.   @)(++(*

I'm well aware of that John, that is why the comments pages there have no value at all, either for or against the Mccanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2014, 03:37:44 PM
What you write is totally spot on.  I saw it for myself when in Spain.  The Russian Mafia controlled just about every bit of serious crime at that time and the authorities were almost powerless to stop it.  It was well known at the time that every prison along the road from Russia to Iberia was full of Russian criminals and probably still is.  It was the same with the Poles and the Romanians but to a lesser extent as they tended to be the petty criminals with many bringing their own sisters down to Spain to work as prostitutes on the pretence that they were being educated.  Charming people!

Why wouldn't such gangs nudge over the border to operate in Portugal?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 03:43:04 PM
Why wouldn't such gangs nudge over the border to operate in Portugal?

Most make for Marbella and surrounds but we know there were Russians in Praia da Luz in 2007 as one in particular was interviewed by the PJ due to his connections with Robert Murat.  He attracted such bad sentiment that he had his car fire-bombed a short time after Madeleine disappeared.  Coincidentally, his mother was a cleaner at the Ocean Club Garden where the tapas 9 stayed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
Most make for Marbella and surrounds but we know there were Russians in Praia da Luz in 2007 as one had his car fire bombed after Madeleine disappeared.

Are you suggesting that Malenka is part of some criminal gang?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 04, 2014, 03:49:45 PM
Are you suggesting that Malenka is part of some criminal gang?

I suggest you Google him.  Hint...  he has several aliases.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 03:50:14 PM
im aware that comments are moderated..i was responding to this piece of disinformation from Jassi...

None of the information is attributed to Redwood or his team, so may be the same sort of guff usually pedaled by the Express.
Few of the comments seem supportive of the McCanns.


 The arrows are not moderated and they are supportive of the McCanns

It is not disinformation, though I accept that the comments are not really about the McCanns, but rather  SY's pursuit of a gang of burglars.
There is no attribution regarding the source of this information - unless you can show  one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 04:08:50 PM
It is not disinformation, though I accept that the comments are not really about the McCanns, but rather  SY's pursuit of a gang of burglars.
There is no attribution regarding the source of this information - unless you can show  one.

  your comment was extremely misleading which I think you have admitted
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 04, 2014, 05:31:27 PM
I suggest you Google him.  Hint...  he has several aliases.


From what I remember of that musical chair thread, aliases were not proven.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 06:58:01 PM
Ahh the 'friends in high places' claim.   Sorry but a total myth as far as I am concerned.

There is nothing to stop anyone lobbying their MP, or starting a campaign or getting up a petition to have the service made illegal if they feel so strongly about it - whereas  bashing the McCanns wont make a scrap of difference to anything IMO.   

OOps I think we're wandering off topic- so won't post again.

This claim always fascinated me as well, Benice. (Why is it off topic? We are talking about how things are presented in the news).

What evidence is there that the McCanns ever moved in elite circles? Both have educated themselves to a high level, but come essentially from very ordinary families. This is one of the things they have in common as a couple.

Their influential associates only appeared in their lives because of the disappearance of their daughter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 07:02:35 PM
This claim always fascinated me as well, Benice. (Why is it off topic? We are talking about how things are presented in the news).

What evidence is there that the McCanns ever moved in elite circles? Both have educated themselves to a high level, but come essentially from very ordinary families. This is one of the things they have in common as a couple.

Their influential associates only appeared in their lives because of the disappearance of their daughter.

Did I say otherwise ? I was, of course, referring to Mr Cameron and Mrs May when talking about those who could change things.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 07:42:34 PM
Did I say otherwise ? I was, of course, referring to Mr Cameron and Mrs May when talking about those who could change things.

Yes, thanks for the clarification, jassi.

I was really referring in general, however - as I think was Benice - to the fact that the McCanns are portrayed in certain quarters as some kind of 'elite' couple who have received help from the government and others where a working class couple would not.

Personally I think this is quite a false portrayal of the situation. Provincial doctors are not 'elite' people for whom  the prime minister is available at the other end of a phone.

The McCanns have achieved a great deal though the quality of persistence but that is something different.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 08:17:25 PM
"I'm at a loss to understand why you so resolutely appear to want to ignore those facts and want to continue to paint them as totally unrepentent and failing to admit any responsibility or fault. "  Because they have not acknowledged that leaving three under fours alone in the first place was wrong - indeed Kate said recently "we did nothing wrong".   As John has said, "it would be nice to hear them state in simple language once in a while that they were at fault. Instead, all we get are excuses and platitudes to the effect that they did nothing wrong."

Re the baby listening service - I have already made it clear that I do not know the present attitude of Social Services towards this, so there is no point in constantly addressing the same question to me.  As I and others have also already said, there is a difference from the situation the McCanns were in, in that hotels, or those I have recently stayed in, are usually self-contained buildings with a reception etc, not independent flats open to the street.

As to how I spend my time, I will determine that for myself, and trying to avoid the abuse, including neglect of children comes first for me - children left alone in unprotected situations, including hotel rooms if that is the case, comes under all that.  Nor do I "vilify" the McCanns - if anything I vilify their actions and indeed the actions of any parents which puts their children at risk.   

IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 08:19:37 PM
IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

 yes but they aren't doing it every day and everytime they appear on tv
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 04, 2014, 08:21:58 PM
IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote



IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the non existant abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was they & not a fairytale abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 04, 2014, 08:24:40 PM
yes but they aren't doing it every day and everytime they appear on tv

Quite - and wearing hair shirts while they do it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 08:43:11 PM
IMO their claim that THEY did nothing wrong was said in the context of the abductor being the one who is the criminal  - and not them. They made a human error - it was the abductor who committed an unspeakable crime.     IMO  To hear some people talk - you would think it was the other way round.

For the third (and last) time - I quote below from Kate's book.   If you really see that as proof of their refusal to acknowledge their guilt and that they considered themselves to be faultless  - then please point out where they say that.     IMO They are clearly admitting what happened was because of fault on their part,  and that they were not there for their daughter when they should have been,  and the guilt they now feel because of their actions will never leave them.    It is also recorded elsewhere that they admitted 'We've let her down'.

To claim they have never taken any responsiblity for their part in this tragedy is grossly unfair IMO - and clearly untrue.

Quote
.......however unwittingly we'd given this predator an opportunity.. We had not been there for Madeleine. And, as I've said before and will say again, our guilt over that is a heavv cross we will bear for the rest of our lives.
Page 202
End quote

I also am not going to answer this again because I have said it so many times; it is boring for others, and to be honest, also boring for me.

I have heard them say they feel guilty for not being there when Madeleine was taken; I have not heard them say that leaving the children alone in the first place was wrong.  These are different.  I have felt bad when I was not there, at times for my son - I am sorry I was not there when another boy decided to hit him at school.  But I was not meant to be there - he was at school, it was the school's responsibility.  It was the McCann's responsibility to be there for their children when they were so young.  If they had been there in the first place any "predator" would not have had an opportunity (if matters happened as we are led to believe)

For the third and last time, any abductor, if he/she existed was obviously in the wrong.  However, as far as I am concerned, the parents were in the wrong to leave such young children out of sight and hearing in the first place (and not a mistake, a deliberate choice, night after night, even when they knew the children had been upset).  It is possible for them both to be in the wrong.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on January 04, 2014, 09:08:45 PM
Being wrong about your childcare arrangements does not give a dirty s..mbag the right to enter a property where your children are sleeping and remove one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 09:09:12 PM
Was the Daily Mail given an exclusive on this story?
Do PR firms sometimes give an exclusive on condition that the provided wording ("bungling" etc) is used?

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 04, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
Being wrong about your childcare arrangements does not give a dirty s..mbag the right to enter a property where your children are sleeping and remove one.

I did not say it did
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
back on topic....Looks like the pj wont play ball according to the latest daily mail article
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
What you write is totally spot on.  I saw it for myself when in Spain.  The Russian Mafia controlled just about every bit of serious crime at that time and the authorities were almost powerless to stop it.  It was well known at the time that every prison along the road from Russia to Iberia was full of Russian criminals and probably still is.  It was the same with the Poles and the Romanians but to a lesser extent as they tended to be the petty criminals with many bringing their own sisters down to Spain to work as prostitutes on the pretence that they were being educated.  Charming people!

Yes but why would Russian etc Mafia want Madeleine. No reasons for it. They have many of their own blond girls they can even buy from parents!
It would be only in a case she witnessed something.. like a resort worker she knew doing something.. the others she doesn't know have no reason to take her.. unless their appearance is very noticable and recognisable... like they have big ears, no teeth, one leg etc

Otherwise, taking her with no prior intention would be with no reason.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 04, 2014, 09:58:22 PM
back on topic....Looks like the pj wont play ball according to the latest daily mail article

Ah but is it true? You can't believe everything you read in the papers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 10:00:44 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html
"Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled. During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared."

Daily Mail writer SW is calling the PJ bunglers. Why does he claim they are bunglers? Because he claims the PJ attached no significance to this interrupted break-in which occured a few days before Madeleine disappeared
"A few days before" eh? Can we take that as reasonably accurate, and not deliberately misrepresented?
Lets see whether it is the PJ, or the Daily Mail's "informed source", who is a bungler.
Few days my foot! Back soon with the true date of that baby-interrupted break-in.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 04, 2014, 10:01:53 PM
back on topic....Looks like the pj wont play ball according to the latest daily mail article

Maybe Tony Parsons is leading the negotiations >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 10:02:33 PM
Yes but why would Russian etc Mafia want Madeleine. No reasons for it. They have many of their own blond girls they can even buy from parents!
It would be only in a case she witnessed something.. like a resort worker she knew doing something.. the others she doesn't know have no reason to take her.. unless their appearance is very noticable and recognisable... like they have big ears, no teeth, one leg etc

Otherwise, taking her with no prior intention would be with no reason.

They have their own blonde girls, but couldn't they be stealing for someone else?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 10:05:17 PM
Maybe Tony Parsons is leading the negotiations >@@(*&)


 @)(++(*


or someone like him, shudder
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 10:05:30 PM
Ah but is it true? You can't believe everything you read in the papers.

probably much of it isn't...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 04, 2014, 10:23:26 PM
They have their own blonde girls, but couldn't they be stealing for someone else?

Yes but that would be planned. This new article claims police is focusing on an unplanned event!
IMO this could happen only if Madeleine knew on of three people they are suspecting.. and could tell she saw this person.. This is what I am pointing out.. Otherwise it makes no sense to take a child along.. What for?
Not all three were child abusers and same time thieves.. this would be a bit unusual!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 10:30:00 PM
Yes but that would be planned. This new article claims police is focusing on an unplanned event!
IMO this could happen only if Madeleine knew on of three people they are suspecting.. and could tell she saw this person.. This is what I am pointing out.. Otherwise it makes no sense to take a child along.. What for?
Not all three were child abusers and same time thieves.. this would be a bit unusual!

Not all three were child abusers? You suggesting one was and Maddie could identify them?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 10:38:07 PM
Yes but that would be planned. This new article claims police is focusing on an unplanned event!
IMO this could happen only if Madeleine knew on of three people they are suspecting.. and could tell she saw this person.. This is what I am pointing out.. Otherwise it makes no sense to take a child along.. What for?
Not all three were child abusers and same time thieves.. this would be a bit unusual!

Well the idea is that it's an unplanned event, but that's a bit difficult to believe.

As you say, why would a burglar also steal  - and possibly kill - a child.

I'm not even sure Madeleine recognising a burglar from the complex would be sufficient to motivate someone to remove her. What would make them imagine that a 3-4 year old would be able to give a sufficiently accurate report of persons or events as to incriminate them?  And why would petty thieves saddle themselves with a child, living or dead, to deal with?

More to the point, if a burglary / attempted  burglary was an inside job, then by definition it would have been known who the occupants of 5A were, and that the burglars would be walking into an apartment with sleeping children. Why would they target 5Aif they were concerned about children raising the alarm or reporting events?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 10:39:48 PM
Well the idea is that it's an unplanned event, but that's a bit difficult to believe.

As you say, why would a burglar also steal  - and possibly kill - a child.

I'm not even sure Madeleine recognising a burglar from the complex would be sufficient to motivate someone to remove her. What would make them imagine that a 3-4 year old would be able to give a sufficiently accurate report of persons or events as to incriminate them?  And why would petty thieves saddle themselves with a child, living or dead, to deal with?

More to the point, if a burglary / attempted  burglary was an inside job, then by definition it would have been known who the occupants of 5A were, and that the burglars would be walking into an apartment with sleeping children. Why would they target 5Aif they were concerned about children raising the alarm or reporting events?

 We don't know what happened...could be an attempt to silence Maddie went too far...we will probably never know
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
We don't know what happened...could be an attempt to silence Maddie went too far...we will probably never know

Possibly but my question is, why would anyone connected with the Ocean Club attempt to burgle 5A that night, knowing, presumably, that the apartment was occupied and that children slept there in the early evening. Why not pick an apartment where there was no-one around at that time to disturb, such as one occupied by a couple with no children, or who had taken their children to the creche?

Choosing an apartment with sleeping children is making their operation unnecessarily complicated and it doesn't make sense considering other options were available.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 10:46:01 PM
Possibly but my question is, why would anyone connected with the Ocean Club attempt to burgle 5A that night, knowing, presumably, that the apartment was occupied and that children slept there in the early evening. Why not pick an apartment where there was no-one around at that time to disturb, such as one occupied by a couple with no children, or who had taken their children to the creche?

Choosing an apartment with sleeping children is making their operation unnecessaritly complicated and it doesn't make sense considering other options were available.

Good point....and probably lost on lesser brains
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 10:47:41 PM
Good point....

yes good point...lets hope SY can get to the bottom of it if Portugal give them a chance
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:02:40 PM
And another thought regarding burglary -

Isn't 9 -10 pm a rather strange time?

Don't most burglaries occur in the dead of night or very early in the morning when people are in deepest sleep and least liable to disturbance? (Or robberies during the day when people are out of the house).

Between 9 and 10pm, most people are at home but not in bed. A strange time to break into a property.

Also a time when there would bea good chance of encountering neighbours and passers by in the street, increasing the chances of being caught. Unlike the dead of night.

Only reason for entering a property between 9 and 10 would be if there was prior knowledge that the residents were not there. In this case, however, the children were in the house and the parents were nearby - and anyone involved with the Ocean Club would have been aware of the fact.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 11:05:23 PM
And another thought regarding burglary -

Isn't 9 -10 pm a rather strange time?

Don't most burglaries occur in the dead of night or very early in the morning when people are in deepest sleep and least liable to disturbance? (Or robberies during the day when people are out of the house).

Between 9 and 10pm, most people are at home but not in bed. A strange time to break into a property.

Also a time when there would bea good chance of encountering neighbours and passers by in the street, increasing the chances of being caught. Unlike the dead of night.

Only reason for entering a property between 9 and 10 would be if there was prior knowledge that the residents were not there. In this case, however, the children were in the house and the parents were nearby - and anyone involved with the Ocean Club would have been aware of the fact.

according to the article there had been attempted burglary the week before at an apartment where children were present...the adults were also present...don't know what time this was
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:11:18 PM
And another thought regarding burglary -

Isn't 9 -10 pm a rather strange time?

Don't most burglaries occur in the dead of night or very early in the morning when people are in deepest sleep and least liable to disturbance? (Or robberies during the day when people are out of the house).

Between 9 and 10pm, most people are at home but not in bed. A strange time to break into a property.

Also a time when there would bea good chance of encountering neighbours and passers by in the street, increasing the chances of being caught. Unlike the dead of night.

Only reason for entering a property between 9 and 10 would be if there was prior knowledge that the residents were not there. In this case, however, the children were in the house and the parents were nearby - and anyone involved with the Ocean Club would have been aware of the fact.

Apparently alot of burglaries happen in holiday villages, where they do,  in the middle of the day when people are out at the beach......in that context the mccanns locked their flat lock stock andbarrel before they went out each day(statements confirm this is what they did) but left it bloody open at night with their two and three yr old kids in there...couldnt make it up
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 11:15:03 PM
Apparently alot of burglaries happen in holiday villages, where they do,  in the middle of the day when people are out at the beach......in that context the mccanns locked their flat lock stock andbarrel before they went out each day(statements confirm this is what they did) but left it bloody open at night with their two and three yr old kids in there...couldnt make it up

 just the front..or is that back...patio door left unlocked and that was visible from where they were eating
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:15:58 PM
according to the article there had been attempted burglary the week before at an apartment where children were present...the adults were also present...don't know what time this was

Yes, would be very interesting to know the time.

However a major difference there is that the parents were present. It does look like a classic attempted burglary. Hard to imagine anyone trying to take a child from a small holiday apartment when the parents are present.

In our case, the parents would have been away from the property at the time of the so-called burglary and I think that is highly significant.

Looking at it from the point of view of an abduction scenario, it was the only time of day when the children were on their own. All the other times they were with their parents or with childcare workers.

A 'burglary' at the bizarre time of  9 - 10 o clock at night - when the children just happen to be alone. I don't think so.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 04, 2014, 11:17:54 PM
Yes, would be very interesting to know the time.

However a major difference there is that the parents were present. It does look like a classic attempted burglary. Hard to imagine anyone trying to take a child from a small holiday apartment when the parents are present.

In our case, the parents would have been away from the property at the time of the so-called burglary and I think that is highly significant.

Looking at it from the point of view of an abduction scenario, it was the only time of day when the children were on their own. All the other times they were with their parents or with childcare workers.

A 'burglary' at the bizarre time of  9 - 10 o clock at night - when the children just happen to be alone. I don't think so.

 Then lets hope SY can investigate if only to rule it out
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:21:20 PM
Then lets hope SY can investigate if only to rule it out

Let's hope so.

Strange the thought that such a scenario could be being peddled by Mitchell or team - if that is the case - when it seems to have little sense.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 11:21:50 PM
We don't know what happened...could be an attempt to silence Maddie went too far...we will probably never know
No forensic trace of anyone going through the opened window
+ No passports cameras jewellery taken
= Disturbed just before climbing in? IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:24:11 PM
No forensic trace of anyone going through the opened window
+ No passports cameras jewellery taken
= Disturbed just before climbing in? IMO.

But not, presumably, by anyone with too much knowledge of the resort...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:25:06 PM
No forensic trace of anyone going through the opened window
+ No passports cameras jewellery taken
= Disturbed just before climbing in? IMO.

And then? What happend?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:32:03 PM
A GANG...3 people lol...

Eamonn Holmes asked a RESIDENT and a guy in the know about any burglaries in the area and he stated he didnt know of ANY not loads anyway........

A GANG would mean lots of burglaries going on and surely would have been noted. One would think.

It was the quiet season too, so why would a GANG be working at the beginning of the season when there was small pickings.

Its a huge jump from taking away a passport or two, to taking away a 4 year old child...who surely would have screamed blue murder if THREE strange men tried to take her away.

IF they had got into the apartment why wouldnt they also snatch the passports etc.....

All this mobile phone malarky proves nothing.

Surely in this day and age after 7 years you would know who was where....and if they were a gang they would have pay as you go lol without GPS.

The Mail is one of those papers I ignore. Didnt they push tractor man as being the suspect.

Now here is odd. In the same article it says SY is not looking at TRACTORMAN, yet he was a known thief, according to all the media.

I cant imagine the child being taken out of the flat quietly no way......

PDL is supposed to be a quiet village, the way you read it, well you wouldnt want to stay there, full of PEDOPHILES, BURGLARS, AND ANYTHING else you would like to throw at them poor citizens.....

Its all rubbish imo too


Wonder if one if this gang had cadaver scent lingering all over him too to spread around  all over 5a while the other two looked for jewels or nicked a toddler! Ludicrous

And according to the daily wail mail sy know who these people are but the portuguese cant hekp em arrest them lol toooo funny
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 04, 2014, 11:41:51 PM
A GANG...3 people lol...

Eamonn Holmes asked a RESIDENT and a guy in the know about any burglaries in the area and he stated he didnt know of ANY not loads anyway........

A GANG would mean lots of burglaries going on and surely would have been noted. One would think.

It was the quiet season too, so why would a GANG be working at the beginning of the season when there was small pickings.


Its a huge jump from taking away a passport or two, to taking away a 4 year old child...who surely would have screamed blue murder if THREE strange men tried to take her away.

IF they had got into the apartment why wouldnt they also snatch the passports etc.....

All this mobile phone malarky proves nothing.

Surely in this day and age after 7 years you would know who was where....and if they were a gang they would have pay as you go lol without GPS.

The Mail is one of those papers I ignore. Didnt they push tractor man as being the suspect.

Now here is odd. In the same article it says SY is not looking at TRACTORMAN, yet he was a known thief, according to all the media.

I cant imagine the child being taken out of the flat quietly no way......

PDL is supposed to be a quiet village, the way you read it, well you wouldnt want to stay there, full of PEDOPHILES, BURGLARS, AND ANYTHING else you would like to throw at them poor citizens.....

Who are you referring to with regard to Eammon Holmes, columbo?  Do you mean Paul Luckman?  PL didn't appear to know much about the burglaries, but they definitely took place  (on Madeleine's block , in the few weeks preceding the McCanns' arrival in PdL). SY also mentioned them on Crimewatch.

Presumably it is one of these burglaries that is being alluded to in the recent articles...

or have I got the wrong end of the stick...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2014, 11:44:10 PM
The Daily Mail garbage has reached New Zealand with the Herald carrying the same rubbish story.  Heaven preserve us from journalists.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:48:07 PM
The Daily Mail garbage has reached New Zealand with the Herald carrying the same rubbish story.  Heaven preserve us from journalists.   @)(++(*

Wont affect mrs pt judge


 8((()*/

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 04, 2014, 11:52:53 PM
Strange how the Mail said on 15 Oct 2013:

"In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed"

But now the Mail say on 04 Jan 2014:

Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled.
During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

Did the Mail change "a year before" into "a few days before", accidentally, or deliberately ?
If so why?

Sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460514/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-speak-delight-overwhelming-response-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 04, 2014, 11:53:37 PM
A group  of people hanging around would have been seen.  A group of people entering the apartment would have left tracks.  All very well some idiot journalist coming up with this nonsense but none of it works.

In any event, burglars are loners and work in groups of one.  They avoid kids like the plague.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 04, 2014, 11:59:21 PM
Strange how the Mail said on 15 Oct 2013:

"In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed"

But now the Mail say on 04 Jan 2014:

Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled.
During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

Did the Mail change "a year before" into "a few days before" accidentally, or deliberately ?
If so why?

You can be. safe in the knowledge  that the daily mail as well as a few others dont do responsible journalism....they canwrite what they like.....they make it up as they go along and never ever ever have to link back to their previous crap. Or prove anything..thats why they are despised btw that includes broadsheets too.....writing for a higher echelon makes no diference whatsoever...theyare all made of the same sick cloth...well alot of them, some have true journalism in their blood...sad theres so few of them...the sunday times insight team are rare but to be lauded
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 12:07:09 AM
A group  of people hanging around would have been seen.  A group of people entering the apartment would have left tracks.  All very well some idiot journalist coming up with this nonsense but none of it works.
In any event, burglars are loners and work in groups of one.  They avoid kids like the plague.
However the  Daily Mail has the ability to clone thieves, turning one burglar into three.
Look at the two quotes in my post above.
The Mail cloned the "one burglar" in its Oct 2013 report to make three "intruders" in its 4 Jan 2014 report.  8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 12:16:06 AM
one burglar a year before
changed to
three burglars a few days before
same journalist same source IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 12:17:33 AM
Strange how the Mail said on 15 Oct 2013:

"In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed"

But now the Mail say on 04 Jan 2014:

Police believe the thieves, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out one raid in the resort of Praia da Luz, disturbing a child. That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled.
During their bungled investigation Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which came a few days before Madeleine disappeared.

Did the Mail change "a year before" into "a few days before", accidentally, or deliberately ?
If so why?

Sources: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2460514/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-speak-delight-overwhelming-response-Crimewatch-reconstruction.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

Also a contradiction here, in the first article:

BURGLARS AND CHARITY COLLECTORS
One line of inquiry is that Madeleine may have been snatched after disturbing burglars. In the same week, a year before she was abducted, a burglar tried to rob another apartment in the Ocean Club resort but fled empty-handed after a toddler screamed. In the three months leading up to her disappearance, there was a four-fold increase in ‘low level’ burglaries in the complex.
Seventeen days before she vanished, there was also a burglary and attempted burglary in Ocean Club. Police still believe her disappearance has ‘all the hallmarks of a pre-planned abduction’.


So was it a burglary gone wrong, or a pre-planned abduction?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 12:20:03 AM
one burglar a year before
changed to
three burglars a few days before
same journalist same source IMO

A bit like all the papers saying antonio cardoso the taxi driver saw madeleine at 8 pm or so on may 3rd 2007 in his taxi....couple years later it all changed to may 4th


 @)(++(*

do they think we are all thick?
cant remember the reason for their about face...was summat to do with maddie being alive the day after......for some reason..if I can be bothered will look tomorrow
but utter s..mb....ry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 12:26:42 AM
Quote
Seventeen days before she vanished, there was also a burglary and attempted burglary in Ocean Club
Of those two, the attempted one was apartment 5G via window, presumably IMO the window on north side of building.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 12:27:22 AM
Still don't appreciate why CM would spin this twaddle, though.

'Burglary' has never been on the McCanns' own list of theories
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 12:28:53 AM
Of those two, the attempted one was apartment 5G via window, presumably IMO the window on north side of building.

Yip, window entry rules out inside job. Sounds like random petty criminal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 12:33:17 AM
Still don't appreciate why CM would spin this twaddle, though.

'Burglary' has never been on the McCanns' own list of theories

Not without it either..Thy never had any theories.well excluding gerry mccanns overheard phonecall  at 11pm that night saying a group of paedos took maddie..........they never said what the reason was in fact they said they didnt know the motive..if it fits with any abduction that will do nicely

As for pinky mitchell  he will say anything hes a paid professinal liar...thats his job...fact?..reputation management involves lyng and  spinning and twisting.....Nd that is the only  reason he was brought in
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 12:38:37 AM
Not all three were child abusers? You suggesting one was and Maddie could identify them?

No, what I am saying that the story of three burglars doesn't stand.
Why would they take her?
If they were disturbed, they would just run away and leave Madeleine. Fullstop.
If this was a random burglary then why would they take Madeleine with them?
If one of them took her because he was a child abuser then the other two would stop him.. they wouldn't want to be involved in this.. only if all three were the abusers then they wouldn't mind.. but in which world we can find the three burglars, who are at the same time the child abusers?  This is what I was saying!
But if one of them, for example, was known to Madeleine, and was a respectful resort worker than he would have taken her, to stop revealing his identity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 12:41:03 AM
No, what I am saying that the story of three burglars doesn't stand.
W

Ok

And yes, of course it doesnt, its a crap storyand nothing else.......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 12:46:59 AM
Another possibility is that the random burglar was in the apartment, that Madeleine got woken up and he wanted to stop her screaming or similar and occidentally killed her.. and then took the body away with him..

This would then be pretty hard to prove.. as if the body was left there it would be easier to find the culprit
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 12:54:35 AM
Another possibility is that the random burglar was in the apartment, that Madeleine got woken up and he wanted to stop her screaming or similar and occidentally killed her.. and then took the body away with him..

This would then be pretty hard to prove.. as if the body was left there it would be easier to find the culprit

Portugals crime rate is petty theft...its the safest country otherwise.......i will eat myhat if a petty burglar killed a child on purpose or accidentally on being disturbed....its a sad sad theory....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 01:04:49 AM
IMO techniques of the source who provided the 4 Jan 2014 article include;

1. To imply that the three people inter-communicating heavily by mobiles that night are burglars.
This is achieved by clonng the lone burglar (who was interupted by a child a year before) into 3 burglars.
That forms the false association 3 equals 3 which tricks 99% of readers to thinking oh yes 3 mobile users, 3 burglars, must be the same.
BTW the 3 mobile users are likely to be searchers and not burglars IMO.

2. To smear the PJ. This is achieved by changing the date, of that burglary interupted by child, from a year before 3 May, to a few days before 3 May.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 01:05:28 AM
Mccanns at footie but no massive new sunday front pages


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-pictured-2987648
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 01:07:45 AM
IMO techniques of the source, who really wrote the 4 Jan 2014 article, include;

1. To imply that the three people inter-communicating heavily by mobiles that night are burglars.
This is achieved by clonng the lone burglar (who was interupted by a child screaming a year before) into 3 burglars.
That forms the false association 3=3 which tricks 99% of readers to thinking oh yes 3 mobile users, 3 burglars, must be the same.
BTW the 3 mobile users are likely to be searchers and not burglars at all IMO.

2. To smear the PJ. This is achieved by changing the date, of that burglary interupted by child, from a year before 3 May, to a few dats before 3 May.
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Did you ever think it was anything else?? Which newspaper has never smeared amaral or the pj.........thick as thieves the lot of them, disgusting bunch of nobodies whose karma is coming soon hopefully singularly or collectivelly, im not fussy lol if one head or many roll together...any will do nicely

Oh well past my bedtime..catch up tomorrow....

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 08:53:36 AM
Yea, the first line says it all...search for their daughter.  What a sham!!

 They have actually done far more and achieved far more than the Needhams in keeping the search going
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2014, 09:20:32 AM
They have actually done far more and achieved far more than the Needhams in keeping the search going

No they haven't.

Much hyperbole and the spending of other peoples' money.

Respect for the Needhams, they deserve it, not and never the Mccanns.

They are responsible for the chain of events which led to Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 09:28:56 AM
No they haven't.

Much hyperbole and the spending of other peoples' money.

Respect for the Needhams, they deserve it, not and never the Mccanns.

They are responsible for the chain of events which led to Madeleine's disappearance.

 they have achieved more ...don't forget there is no evidence of abduction....for ben needham
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2014, 09:29:58 AM
So The Needham Family are completely blameless for allowing Ben to play outside, and wander off without supervision?

Personally, I think they are.  But you can't have it both ways.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2014, 09:39:47 AM
they have achieved more ...don't forget there is no evidence of abduction....for ben needham


Do you enjoy stating the obvious ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 09:44:14 AM

Do you enjoy stating the obvious ?

so now you agree with me
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 05, 2014, 09:48:10 AM
No they haven't.

Much hyperbole and the spending of other peoples' money.

Respect for the Needhams, they deserve it, not and never the Mccanns.

They are responsible for the chain of events which led to Madeleine's disappearance.

So who was responsible for the chain of events that led up to Ben's abduction?  It certainly wasn't Ben.

Fortunately use of the internet was not so prolific in those days - or the Needham family would have been subjected to the same abuse now being aimed at the McCanns.    The [ censored word ]s/[ censored word ]s would have had a field day imo- especially as there was no evidence of an abduction - -- does that ring a bell Stephen?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2014, 09:48:55 AM
so now you agree with me

It was already known in the Needham case there was no evidence of abduction, so what is your point ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2014, 09:49:44 AM

Do you enjoy stating the obvious ?

HA!  That's rich, coming from you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2014, 09:50:53 AM
So who was responsible for the chain of events that led up to Ben's abduction?  It certainly wasn't Ben.

Fortunately use of the internet was not so prolific in those days - or the Needham family would have been subjected to the same abuse now being aimed at the McCanns.    The [ censored word ]s/[ censored word ]s would have had a field day imo- especially as there was no evidence of an abduction - -- does that ring a bell Stephen?

Did the Needhams leave their children whilst out boozing ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2014, 09:52:33 AM
HA!  That's rich, coming from you.

Oh dear.  8)--))

Please send my due regards to Clarence. 8)-)))
 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 05, 2014, 10:26:17 AM
Did the Needhams leave their children whilst out boozing ?

Do you know that the family were NOT boozing at the time Ben was wondering around unsupervised?  Where is your proof?   After all we only have their word for it - just like we only have Kate's word that the shutters/window had been opened by a stranger.   

Just applying your own 'rules' Stephen.

BTW You still haven't said who you think was responsible for the chain of events which led up to Ben's abduction.
That is if you believe an abduction happened.  Don't forget no evidence was found - so why would you?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2014, 11:50:54 AM


Madeleine McCann police are urged to hunt Ocean Club thief.

SCOTLAND Yard detectives hunting Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper are being urged to trace a former worker at the Ocean Club holiday villa complex from where she disappeared.


A criminologist who has spent years analysing Portuguese police files has discovered information about the man, who had previously been caught stealing.

He lived close to the spot where a man was seen carrying a child, who detectives believe was Madeleine, at the time of the abduction.

Madrid-based Heriberto Janosch has written to Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange detectives with details of his findings.

The revelation comes after it was reported that Scotland Yard officers have identified three “prime suspects” in a burglary gang after analysing phone data around the time of the abduction on May 3, 2007, at Praia da Luz in Portugal’s Algarve.

The report claimed there were a high number of calls between the group after Madeleine vanished. It also suggested the gang was responsible for two earlier raids at neighbouring apartments, one of which was foiled when they were disturbed by an elderly resident.

Now Yard chiefs are involved with discussions with counterparts in Portugal on how and when to arrest the trio, one of whom is ­Portuguese.

Mr Janosch said that the individual he is interested in was not ­working at the Ocean Club during the evening when Madeleine disappeared. He said: “When I read the information in the Portuguese police files I felt it was important to contact Scotland Yard to make sure they were aware of it.

“Now I understand that the Yard is concentrating on three suspected burglars and I wonder if this man I am interested in is one of them.

“The investigation is reaching a very important stage and hopefully the police are on the verge of a breakthrough.

“I have investigated this case for a long time and it is my belief that Madeleine was taken by burglars and there was no planned kidnapping.

“She just happened to come across them when they were in the apartment.”

The move came as Kate McCann, an ambassador for the charity Missing People, and husband Gerry yesterday attended the FA Cup tie between Everton and Queens Park Rangers at Goodison Park.

Everton supporter Kate went to the game to raise awareness of the charity and to cheer on her team.

A film about the plight of missing people was shown during the half-time break.

Writing in Everton’s match programme yesterday, chairman Bill Kenwright, said: “We have a strong tradition at Everton of working with, and supporting, our community and because of that we wanted to use today’s game to help raise awareness of those who, for whatever reason, are currently missing.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/452079/Madeleine-police-are-urged-to-hunt-Ocean-Club-thief
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2014, 11:53:54 AM

“She just happened to come across them when they were in the apartment.”

One of them just happenend to bear a striking resemblence to Gerry McCann & was seen making away on foot with the sleeping Madeleine in his arms.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 05, 2014, 11:54:03 AM
Still don't appreciate why CM would spin this twaddle, though.

'Burglary' has never been on the McCanns' own list of theories

It neatly explains the open window.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 05, 2014, 12:28:06 PM
They have actually done far more and achieved far more than the Needhams in keeping the search going

What a ridiculous post.

What have they acheived? The only thing they have achieved is to cause xenophibia, and upset so many people who have been touched by their duaghters disapearance its ludicrous to even compare the two.

Kerry Needham has acted in a quiet and respectful manner, she has even had to remortgage her own home to keep the search going for her son, SHE NEVER GIVES up, and she never begs for money either.

Her son just disappeared 21 years ago the same as the McCann child.

So after spending millions of pounds from money gained from begging, and now the great Scotland Yard involved spending even more money just what have the McCanns acheived...

ZILCH, NADAR, NOTHING, still no daughter after 7 years.

The same as Kerry Needham, still no son, after 21 years.

Dont even bring this women down she has worked so hard and acted exemplary in the search for her son.  8()(((@#
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 05, 2014, 12:32:38 PM

Madeleine McCann police are urged to hunt Ocean Club thief.

SCOTLAND Yard detectives hunting Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper are being urged to trace a former worker at the Ocean Club holiday villa complex from where she disappeared.


A criminologist who has spent years analysing Portuguese police files has discovered information about the man, who had previously been caught stealing.

He lived close to the spot where a man was seen carrying a child, who detectives believe was Madeleine, at the time of the abduction.

Madrid-based Heriberto Janosch has written to Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange detectives with details of his findings.

The revelation comes after it was reported that Scotland Yard officers have identified three “prime suspects” in a burglary gang after analysing phone data around the time of the abduction on May 3, 2007, at Praia da Luz in Portugal’s Algarve.

The report claimed there were a high number of calls between the group after Madeleine vanished. It also suggested the gang was responsible for two earlier raids at neighbouring apartments, one of which was foiled when they were disturbed by an elderly resident.

Now Yard chiefs are involved with discussions with counterparts in Portugal on how and when to arrest the trio, one of whom is ­Portuguese.

Mr Janosch said that the individual he is interested in was not ­working at the Ocean Club during the evening when Madeleine disappeared. He said: “When I read the information in the Portuguese police files I felt it was important to contact Scotland Yard to make sure they were aware of it.

“Now I understand that the Yard is concentrating on three suspected burglars and I wonder if this man I am interested in is one of them.

“The investigation is reaching a very important stage and hopefully the police are on the verge of a breakthrough.

“I have investigated this case for a long time and it is my belief that Madeleine was taken by burglars and there was no planned kidnapping.

“She just happened to come across them when they were in the apartment.”

The move came as Kate McCann, an ambassador for the charity Missing People, and husband Gerry yesterday attended the FA Cup tie between Everton and Queens Park Rangers at Goodison Park.

Everton supporter Kate went to the game to raise awareness of the charity and to cheer on her team.

A film about the plight of missing people was shown during the half-time break.

Writing in Everton’s match programme yesterday, chairman Bill Kenwright, said: “We have a strong tradition at Everton of working with, and supporting, our community and because of that we wanted to use today’s game to help raise awareness of those who, for whatever reason, are currently missing.”


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/452079/Madeleine-police-are-urged-to-hunt-Ocean-Club-thief

Is this apartment 5A big enough to hold all these burglars jeez. For 3 men in their gang just robbing a few passports seems all a bit far fetched to me.

Oh yeh it is far fetched and we are all living in the twighlight zone again.

IF the 3 burglars were that well known, they would either be in the knick again, or the PJ would have spoken to them. I am assume we are believing this twaddle in the Mail...the same twaddle they put about the tractor man being the perb etc....blah blah blah...

Of course there were/are burglars about in PDL like anywhere. How many have actually stepped over the mark and taken a child out instead of booty........and why?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on January 05, 2014, 12:33:26 PM
why oh why do u harp on re looking like Gerry McCann change the record please. u sadly are always negative re Kate & Gerry when they regret bitterly leaving Madeleine and the twins. They are heart broken.  8(8-))for your postings. If the mods think this is too personal to u they can remove.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 12:38:14 PM
why oh why do u harp on re looking like Gerry McCann change the record please. u sadly are always negative re Kate & Gerry when they regret bitterly leaving Madeleine and the twins. They are heart broken.  8(8-))for your postings. If the mods think this is too personal to u they can remove.

Smith saw a man briefly but hardly saw his face..he then saw Gerry on TV and thought it looked like him...he then is asked to draw up an efit...in his subconscious is his memory coming from PDL or from seeing Gerry on TV...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on January 05, 2014, 12:46:23 PM
thanks for reply u are completely right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2014, 12:51:38 PM

I would love to see anyone trying to convict anyone on either of those two E Fits.  Especially as they are supposedly of the same person.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2014, 12:52:08 PM
why oh why do u harp on re looking like Gerry McCann change the record please. u sadly are always negative re Kate & Gerry when they regret bitterly leaving Madeleine and the twins. They are heart broken.  8(8-))for your postings. If the mods think this is too personal to u they can remove.

Yes I am always negative re Kate & Gerry McCann , there is a simple explanation for this.
I don't like either of them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2014, 12:53:28 PM
Yes I am always negative re Kate & Gerry McCann , there is a simple explanation for this.
I don't like either of them.

I don't like you.  Are you guilty of something?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 05, 2014, 12:56:05 PM
I would love to see anyone trying to convict anyone on either of those two E Fits.  Especially as they are supposedly of the same person.

Nobody is convicted on the strength of efits. They are merely used in an attempt to identify people of possible interest, who are then questioned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2014, 12:59:42 PM
I don't like you.  Are you guilty of something?

Thats a shame Eleanor because I have always had a soft spot for you.
& Yes plenty.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on January 05, 2014, 01:13:32 PM
quite sad as u don't know them personally do u??????????????
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 05, 2014, 01:18:46 PM
People only have the various facets of their public persona to go on. What they are like in real life is anybody's guess.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2014, 01:21:20 PM
Thats a shame Eleanor because I have always had a soft spot for you.
& Yes plenty.

Golly Gosh.  You have just made my day.  No, I really mean it.  I shall try to be a bit more kind to you in future.

Thanks for making the first move.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2014, 01:30:13 PM
Golly Gosh.  You have just made my day.  No, I really mean it.  I shall try to be a bit more kind to you in future.

Thanks for making the first move.

I'm free on wednesdays.  8**8:/:
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 01:30:48 PM



http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/452079/Madeleine-police-are-urged-to-hunt-Ocean-Club-thief

Wow! I cannot believe this! I always said this guy should have been working on the case!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 01:37:40 PM
Portugals crime rate is petty theft...its the safest country otherwise.......i will eat myhat if a petty burglar killed a child on purpose or accidentally on being disturbed....its a sad sad theory....

Oh.. c'mon.. let's leave the patriotism aside! It can be a heaven on Earth but you cannot predict peoples reaction..
He could have just pressed her mouth, hidden in the wardrobe.. to stop her screaming, while holding her when Matthew Oldfield, for example, came to check..  how many such crimes have been reported?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 05, 2014, 02:09:24 PM
James Murray has a new friend I see @)(++(*

(not his best friend though because we know who his best friend is)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 02:37:00 PM
What a ridiculous post.

What have they acheived? The only thing they have achieved is to cause xenophibia, and upset so many people who have been touched by their duaghters disapearance its ludicrous to even compare the two.

Kerry Needham has acted in a quiet and respectful manner, she has even had to remortgage her own home to keep the search going for her son, SHE NEVER GIVES up, and she never begs for money either.

Her son just disappeared 21 years ago the same as the McCann child.

So after spending millions of pounds from money gained from begging, and now the great Scotland Yard involved spending even more money just what have the McCanns acheived...

ZILCH, NADAR, NOTHING, still no daughter after 7 years.

The same as Kerry Needham, still no son, after 21 years.

Dont even bring this women down she has worked so hard and acted exemplary in the search for her son.  8()(((@#

Not as ridiculous as every post of yours...they have got the case reopened...persuaded sy to reinvestigate at a cost of millions...kerry needham would give her eye teeth to have achieved all this...i understand why you cant  admit it though
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 02:54:24 PM

When it comes to  ridiculous posts on here, you should not be criticizing  with your defense of the Mccanns with the lack of childcare.

The review and the money spent came as a result quite clearly of  pressure by Rebekah ( on trial ) Brooks on Cameron, who REFUSED MONETARY HELP TO THE NEEDHAMS.

Nuff said.

Ridiculous
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 05, 2014, 03:00:36 PM
Ridiculous

No, just the truth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 05, 2014, 03:11:01 PM
Kerry Needham did no better or worse than she could have done under the circumstances at the time.  There just weren't the same resources available to her in those days.

The McCanns kicked that off by their relentless use of all means available now, today.  Stranger Child Abduction will never be the same again. 

It is too late for Kerry Needham, and it might be too late for The McCanns.  But just watch the next one.  Beyond those who will always seek to blame the parents, for some reason that is inexplicable to me.  No one will be listening to you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 03:33:29 PM
Re the theory by HJ about one particular employee.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/452079/Madeleine-police-are-urged-to-hunt-Ocean-Club-thief
HJ states that this man was living near the Smith sighting.
So what. Near the Smith sighting lived a large percentage of the MW seasonal workers (nannies etc).
And many of them were free of work that night and near 5A that night and some proven there by telecoms records.
So why pick on this poor man? 
He was probably one of the many employees searching that night, and now what thanks does he get?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 07:46:50 PM
Is this apartment 5A big enough to hold all these burglars jeez. For 3 men in their gang just robbing a few passports seems all a bit far fetched to me.

Oh yeh it is far fetched and we are all living in the twighlight zone again.

IF the 3 burglars were that well known, they would either be in the knick again, or the PJ would have spoken to them. I am assume we are believing this twaddle in the Mail...the same twaddle they put about the tractor man being the perb etc....blah blah blah...

Of course there were/are burglars about in PDL like anywhere. How many have actually stepped over the mark and taken a child out instead of booty........and why?

What on earth were they planning to steal from 5A that required 3 men to lift?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on January 05, 2014, 07:48:30 PM
What on earth were they planning to steal from 5A that required 3 men to lift?
Three children?!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 05, 2014, 07:50:11 PM
Three children?!

Oh my goodness...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 08:19:35 PM
Re the theory by HJ about one particular employee.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/452079/Madeleine-police-are-urged-to-hunt-Ocean-Club-thief
HJ states that this man was living near the Smith sighting.
So what. Near the Smith sighting lived a large percentage of the MW seasonal workers (nannies etc).
And many of them were free of work that night and near 5A that night and some proven there by telecoms records.
So why pick on this poor man? 
He was probably one of the many employees searching that night, and now what thanks does he get?

You forgot to add that the POOR MAN had a previous criminal record for theft.. So, it is not a poor man, it is an ex thief, is it?

And HJ added that this was not either 'the tractor man' or some German called Peter..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 05, 2014, 08:51:44 PM
You forgot to add that the POOR MAN had a previous criminal record for theft.. So, it is not a poor man, it is an ex thief, is it?

And HJ added that this was not either 'the tractor man' or some German called Peter..

Well of course if he is an ex thief then it is highly likely he is a sex offending child abductor aswell. It's all par for the course in any burglars criminal profile.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 09:18:54 PM
You forgot to add that the POOR MAN had a previous criminal record for theft.. So, it is not a poor man, it is an ex thief, is it?

And HJ added that this was not either 'the tractor man' or some German called Peter..
"had a previous criminal record for theft"
Source?
Does HJ have a page number in the files to back this up?
I dont see anything to indicate this person whom HJ highlights has a previous criminal record for theft.
As far as I can see his only crimes are living and working in PDL and trying to help and being portuguese (addresses of most portuguese staff were recorded, address of many UK staff was not).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 05, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Re the theory by HJ about one particular employee.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/452079/Madeleine-police-are-urged-to-hunt-Ocean-Club-thief
HJ states that this man was living near the Smith sighting.
So what. Near the Smith sighting lived a large percentage of the MW seasonal workers (nannies etc).
And many of them were free of work that night and near 5A that night and some proven there by telecoms records.
So why pick on this poor man? 
He was probably one of the many employees searching that night, and now what thanks does he get?
You can make excuses for everyone Pegasus. 

Heri, by dint of hard and methodical detailed work has found interesting things about this man.  Seems SY possibly agree.

No harm in taking him in and questionig him.  Maybe later charging him ... or releasing him ... depending on what they find.

Well done Heri, I say  8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 05, 2014, 10:08:16 PM
You can make excuses for everyone Pegasus. 

Heri, by dint of hard and methodical detailed work has found interesting things about this man.  Seems SY possibly agree.

No harm in taking him in and questionig him.  Maybe later charging him ... or releasing him ... depending on what they find.

Well done Heri, I say  8@??)(

Maybe one day your phone will ring and it'll be James Murray 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on January 05, 2014, 10:19:06 PM
You can make excuses for everyone Pegasus. 

Heri, by dint of hard and methodical detailed work has found interesting things about this man.  Seems SY possibly agree.

No harm in taking him in and questionig him.  Maybe later charging him ... or releasing him ... depending on what they find.

Well done Heri, I say  8@??)(


I agree  8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 05, 2014, 10:35:18 PM
You can make excuses for everyone Pegasus. 
Heri, by dint of hard and methodical detailed work has found interesting things about this man.  Seems SY possibly agree.
No harm in taking him in and questionig him.  Maybe later charging him ... or releasing him ... depending on what they find.
Well done Heri, I say  8@??)(
I challenge the "criminal record" bit because I tried to find confirmation but couldn't.
Remember the other locals who got their lives ruined by incorrect accusations?
You may cheer and clap but are you going to compensate this poor man if the UK press ruin his life for no reason?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 10:37:39 PM
I challenge the "criminal record" bit because I tried to find confirmation but couldn't.
Remember the other locals who got their lives ruined by incorrect accusations?
You may cheer and clap but are you going to compensate this poor man if the UK press ruin his life for no reason?

+1

 8((()*/

lost count of the number of innocent people named and shamed in the press because metodo 3 or some other chicken shit joint  or overzealous person thought they were "suspicious" even if they werent there at the time!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 05, 2014, 10:37:59 PM
I challenge the "criminal record" bit because I tried to find confirmation but couldn't.
Remember the other locals who got their lives ruined by incorrect accusations?
You may cheer and clap but are you going to compensate this poor man if the UK press ruin his life for no reason?


if hes innocent he has nothing to worry about has he
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 11:13:58 PM
"had a previous criminal record for theft"
Source?
Does HJ have a page number in the files to back this up?
I dont see anything to indicate this person whom HJ highlights has a previous criminal record for theft.
As far as I can see his only crimes are living and working in PDL and trying to help and being portuguese (addresses of most portuguese staff were recorded, address of many UK staff was not).

On his blog HJ states:
I have found, in June 2013, in the first volumes of the Polícia Judiciária Files, that a man is referenced who: (a) was living near the 5A apartment, (b) was living near the location where the Smith family saw the suspect, (c) had a previous record for theft, (d) was an Ocean Club employee, (e) was not working between 09:00 pm and 11:00 pm on May 3rd. 2007, (f) might know well the Ocean Club apartments, (g) was in the zone at 11:00 pm on May 3rd. 2007, and (h) was in the zone at the time Madeleine was abducted (confirmed by his mobile phone records). The block 5 (where the 5A apartment is) had a theft on 5L on April 17th. 2007, and an intent of theft on G5 (5G) on approximately April 26th. 2007. That is, 17 and 7 days before the abduction of Madeleine. Was this man already investigated and ruled out? (he was not Euclides, the man who died in a tractor accident).


Why would you call this person 'poor man'_ For me he is an ex criminal who in this case needs to be investigated.
Of course HJ would not publicly name this person.. would you?
If you are interested, I suggest you follow the HJ's steps and READ THE FILES! Have you read them? Or you only read the internet myths?
I have read the files, btw!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 11:15:16 PM
Oh.. c'mon.. let's leave the patriotism aside! It can be a heaven on Earth but you cannot predict peoples reaction..
He could have just pressed her mouth, hidden in the wardrobe.. to stop her screaming, while holding her when Matthew Oldfield, for example, came to check..  how many such crimes have been reported?

Im not Portuguese so nothing to do with patriotism, just facts.......I dont know how to respond to your comment that the burglar / abductor was holding her mouth in the wardrobe while Matt Oldfield checked, so I wont....

 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 11:23:54 PM
I challenge the "criminal record" bit because I tried to find confirmation but couldn't.
Remember the other locals who got their lives ruined by incorrect accusations?
You may cheer and clap but are you going to compensate this poor man if the UK press ruin his life for no reason?

Well, if he's got no criminal record nobody can do nothing to him? How can they ruin his life?
If he does have a criminal record, than he already has ruined his life, by himself ;)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 11:25:06 PM
And Heriberto is the very opposite of anonymous. Didn't you say your information was secret to avoid perps being tipped off?

Heriberto was blurting this theory on twitter five weeks ago. And now in the Express. That's not very secret.

He obviously thinks he has found the magic bullet/piece of the jigsaw etc etc so is retiring now.....not that I can see anything of any substance......just hot air as per usual.....
I trust he hasnt given the media this mans name...whch is all good
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 05, 2014, 11:35:39 PM
He obviously thinks he has found the magic bullet/piece of the jigsaw etc etc so is retiring now.....not that I can see anything of any substance......just hot air as per usual.....
I trust he hasnt given the media this mans name...whch is all good

Well if he has, he may find himself in court. With all these crackpot theories about someone is sure to annoy the wrong person one day 8(>((
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 11:39:32 PM
Well if he has, he may find himself in court. With all these crackpot theories about someone is sure to annoy the wrong person one day 8(>((

Well, it is enough he gives the name to the SY or PJ, or both. I am happy with that..
Why would we need to know the name anyway?
Only if the person gets questioned, and made Arguido, the world would need to know about it
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 11:39:50 PM
Well if he has, he may find himself in court. With all these crackpot theories about someone is sure to annoy the wrong person one day 8(>((

Cant argue with that! Though Im sure HJ hasnt done so......Though one could go through all the employee witness statements, if one  has the patience or inclination, and work out who he is talking about.....maybe....but why would one want to if the basis is so scant in substance.....another goose chase no doubt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 05, 2014, 11:40:27 PM
And Heriberto is the very opposite of anonymous. Didn't you say your information was secret to avoid perps being tipped off?

Heriberto was blurting this theory on twitter five weeks ago. And now in the Express. That's not very secret.
Heri is a professional and superbly qualified.  His work is meticulous.  He examines every detail.  I admire his approach immensely.

I am an amateur who has worked my rag off trying to solve this case.  I have used an unusual method for my search which as far as I know no other person has used.   And I believe that I have found the man behind the abductions ... but I know that it is easy to make mistakes. 

However, if I am wrong on one or two things,  there are still an unbelievable number of co-incidences and pointers that have to be accounted for



If Heris search is better than mine and he finds Madeleine, then I salute him.  He has done better than me.   When looking for missing children, there is no time for egos.

My search has basically been what happened after the abduction, rather than much of the stuff we talk about on here.  Where did Madeleine go?  Who commisioned the abduction?  Why was Madeleine abducted?  Where has she been living?   Is there a group supporting the abductor?

This sort of thing is what I have looked at mainly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 05, 2014, 11:44:43 PM
Cant argue with that! Though Im sure HJ hasnt done so......Though one could go through all the employee witness statements, if one  has the patience or inclination, and work out who he is talking about.....maybe....but why would one want to if the basis is so scant in substance.....another goose chase no doubt

Yep all his theory basically says is the guy was in PdL. Big deal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 05, 2014, 11:48:05 PM
Heri is a professional and superbly qualified.  His work is meticulous.  He examines every detail.  I admire his approach immensely.

I am an amateur who has worked my rag off trying to solve this case.  I have used an unusual method for my search which as far as I know no other person has used.   And I believe that I have found the man behind the abductions ... but I know that it is easy to make mistakes. 

However, if I am wrong on one or two things,  there are still an unbelievable number of co-incidences and pointers that have to be accounted for



If Heris search is better than mine and he finds Madeleine, then I salute him.  He has done better than me.   When looking for missing children, there is no time for egos.

My search has basically been what happened after the abduction, rather than much of the stuff we talk about on here.  Where did Madeleine go?  Who commisioned the abduction?  Why was Madeleine abducted?  Where has she been living?   Is there a group supporting the abductor?

This sort of thing is what I have looked at mainly.

His work is meticulous? When I asked him on twitter for any evidence to back his theory he waffled and ignored.

I'd say he's about as meticulous as Birch.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 11:48:38 PM
Yep all his theory basically says is the guy was in PdL. Big deal.

And wasnt at work on the night, big deal, applies to many others....its not a crime to not work every night? Whoever this chap is, basing susupicion on him of abducting a child on some past theft is spurious at best....ie the theory has no cajones (sp)?


 @)(++(*

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 11:52:22 PM
Yep all his theory basically says is the guy was in PdL. Big deal.

No!

His theory says: 'there is an worker who lives near smirths sighting, who has a previous criminal conviction and who was off work 9pm-11pm on the night Madeleine disappeared, him mobile phone points him near the OC ..as well as near Smiths sighting.. Has he been looked at? '
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 05, 2014, 11:54:06 PM
No!

His theory says: 'there is an worker who lives near smirths sighting, who has a previous criminal conviction and who was off work 9pm-11pm on the night Madeleine disappeared, him mobile phone points him near the OC ..as well as near Smiths sighting.. Has he been looked at? '

Its very very suspicious to have your phone ping where you live I agree......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 05, 2014, 11:57:52 PM
No!

His theory says: 'there is an worker who lives near smirths sighting, who has a previous criminal conviction and who was off work 9pm-11pm on the night Madeleine disappeared, him mobile phone points him near the OC ..as well as near Smiths sighting.. Has he been looked at? '

Anyone could say they'd found such a 'suspect'. He kept asking "has this man been looked at?" but if he doesn't provide any evidence to who he means (which he didn't) how could anyone answer yes or no?

Anyone could decide to say 'Oh look, I've found this guy....'. It means nothing without documents to back it up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 05, 2014, 11:58:42 PM
Its very very suspicious to have your phone ping where you live I agree......

Would it be normal to check any employee who lives near smith's sighting? Especially if they were off that night and have a criminal record?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:05:53 AM
Would it be normal to check any employee who lives near smith's sighting? Especially if they were off that night and have a criminal record?

dramatics wont do it...being a shoplifter or burglar does not a child abductor make........and certainly being off work is no pointer.....neither is living near your place of work.....in any case how do you know this guy wasnt checked out by PJ??? As I said, vacuous imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 06, 2014, 12:07:36 AM
His work is meticulous? When I asked him on twitter for any evidence to back his theory he waffled and ignored.

I'd say he's about as meticulous as Birch.
If you believe that, you will believe anything.

Heris IS meticulous.

Maybe he was fed up with facetious comments and questions .. and that is why he ignored you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 06, 2014, 12:10:17 AM
dramatics wont do it...being a shoplifter or burglar does not a child abductor make........and certainly being off work is no pointer.....neither is living near your place of work.....in any case how do you know this guy wasnt checked out by PJ??? As I said, vacuous imo
yep

In YOUR opinion.

Others of us would like him checked out anonymously.  Cant think why that should trouble you !  You do want Madeleine found , don't you?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 06, 2014, 12:13:04 AM
Anyone could say they'd found such a 'suspect'. He kept asking "has this man been looked at?" but if he doesn't provide any evidence to who he means (which he didn't) how could anyone answer yes or no?

Anyone could decide to say 'Oh look, I've found this guy....'. It means nothing without documents to back it up.
As you must know, Heri could not give names.

I cannot give names either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:13:52 AM
dramatics wont do it...being a shoplifter or burglar does not a child abductor make........and certainly being off work is no pointer.....neither is living near your place of work.....in any case how do you know this guy wasnt checked out by PJ??? As I said, vacuous imo

Says who?
All police investigations have certain protocols. All people with previous criminal records that were in vicinity of PDL should have been checked first. Why? Because these people usually re-offend. What if for example Madeleine knew- has seen the ex offender? What would he do if he is afraid, he'd be recognised and reported?
Risking going to jail again?

But my own theory, as I already stated, is that if this is a case of burglary there is no reason for a burglar to take Madeleine unless she can recognise him- her..

or

She was screaming at the time of the Oldfield check up on children and the potential burglar tried to shut her up but accidentally killed her and to get rid of the evidence he took her with him..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 12:15:19 AM

If Heris search is better than mine and he finds Madeleine, then I salute him.  He has done better than me.   When looking for missing children, there is no time for egos.



Something that is easily forgotten!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:15:24 AM
yep

In YOUR opinion.

Others of us would like him checked out anonymously.  Cant think why that should trouble you !  You do want Madeleine found , don't you?

What for? Whats his crime? never mind...oh he "must" be put in the "suspicious" list......havent you and your wider cohorts done enough damage to innocent people already? Or is this another "possible" [Name removed]ustified "collateral" in your circus
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:17:46 AM
What for? Whats his crime? never mind...oh he "must" be put in the "suspicious" list......havent you and your wider cohorts done enough damage to innocent people already? Or is this another "possible" [Name removed]ustified "collateral" in your circus

Well, an ex criminal is already damaged.. by his own free will, by deciding to turn to a crime in the first place..

I have no mercy for criminals!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 06, 2014, 12:18:20 AM
As you must know, Heri could not give names.

I cannot give names either.

So why keep going around asking 'Has this man been checked out?' if nobody can possibly answer?

It's attention seeking if you ask me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 12:19:32 AM
Says who?
All police investigations have certain protocols. All people with previous criminal records that were in vicinity of PDL should have been checked first. Why? Because these people usually re-offend. What if for example Madeleine knew- has seen the ex offender? What would he do if he is afraid, he'd be recognised and reported?
Risking going to jail again?


But my own theory, as I already stated, is that if this is a case of burglary there is no reason for a burglar to take Madeleine unless she can recognise him- her..

or

She was screaming at the time of the Oldfield check up on children and the potential burglar tried to shut her up but accidentally killed her and to get rid of the evidence he took her with him..

But would a 3 -4 year old really be able to give an adequate description of a person, unless they knew them by name or had some highly distinguishing feature?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:19:47 AM
Says who?
All police investigations have certain protocols. All people with previous criminal records that were in vicinity of PDL should have been checked first. Why? Because these people usually re-offend. What if for example Madeleine knew- has seen the ex offender? What would he do if he is afraid, he'd be recognised and reported?
Risking going to jail again?

But my own theory, as I already stated, is that if this is a case of burglary there is no reason for a burglar to take Madeleine unless she can recognise him- her..

or

She was screaming at the time of the Oldfield check up on children and the potential burglar tried to shut her up but accidentally killed her and to get rid of the evidence he took her with him..

because they reoffend? Like what? Shoplift or burgle again? Since when have burglars kidnapped or killed a child? Find me one example.........I find your theories about Maddie being asked to identify a burglar and Matt Olldfield bizarre.....carry on hunting though for your answer...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 06, 2014, 12:20:57 AM
What for? Whats his crime? never mind...oh he "must" be put in the "suspicious" list......havent you and your wider cohorts done enough damage to innocent people already? Or is this another "possible" [Name removed]ustified "collateral" in your circus
Would you care to clarify your statement Red.

Am zonked so might be tomorrow before I answer , but would like to know what you are accusing me of.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:23:46 AM
But would a 3 -4 year old really be able to give an adequate description of a person, unless they knew them by name or had some highly distinguishing feature?

Exactly! Thank you!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:24:48 AM
Well, an ex criminal is already damaged.. by his own free will, by deciding to turn to a crime in the first place..

I have no mercy for criminals!

Doesnt make them all child abductors.....and your "inference" that theyhave committed a crime in the past makes them ok fodder is disgusting.....if you had a criminal record for fiddling your tax Im sure you might take exception to be treated as a potential kidnapper/ murderer...zzzz
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 12:25:36 AM
Exactly! Thank you!

Perhaps she could do an e-fit...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 06, 2014, 12:26:26 AM
Prosecutors will be shooting each other to have Vixte on their jury @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:26:36 AM
Doesnt make them all child abductors.....and your "inference" that theyhave committed a crime in the past makes them ok fodder is disgusting.....if you had a criminal record for fiddling your tax Im sure you might take exception to be treated as a potential kidnapper.....zzzz

HJ stated this specific person has a record of theft. He-she should have been checked in this case. Full stop.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:26:58 AM
Would you care to clarify your statement Red.

Am zonked so might be tomorrow before I answer , but would like to know what you are accusing me of.

Think about it.....sleep well though
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:27:40 AM
Perhaps she could do an e-fit...

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:28:42 AM
Prosecutors will be shooting each other to have Vixte on their jury @)(++(*

God sake, fingers crossed no
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 06, 2014, 12:29:50 AM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:30:34 AM
Perhaps she could do an e-fit...

But if this was a person who took her with a boat, or a person who she played with in the playground, or the person who came to deliver cheese, or the shop assitant in the super market who gave her a sweet, or the gardener whose work her dad was admiring while taking her for a walk.. or the nice barmen who gave her a drink or the ice cream man they just yesterday bought the ice cream from, or the driver who brought them from the airport.. Madeleine could easily identify these people!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 06, 2014, 12:31:10 AM
Nothing like a bit of vigil[ censored word]m to make the world go round.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:31:56 AM
HJ stated this specific person has a record of theft. He-she should have been checked in this case. Full stop.

And you  dont know if he was or not do you and if he wasnt...well, Im sure the PJ hadbetter things to do than chase shoplifters...dont you think?..still full stop it is for you, your prerogative but changes not a single thing

 @)(++(*


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:33:33 AM
But if this was a person who took her with a boat, or a person who she played with in the playground, or the person who came to deliver cheese, or the shop assitant in the super market who gave her a sweet, or the gardener whose work her dad was admiring while taking her for a walk.. or the nice barmen who gave her a drink or the ice cream man they just yesterday bought the ice cream from, or the driver who brought them from the airport.. Madeleine could easily identify these people!

Gosh another tonne of suspects, working part time as burglars or ex thiefs, Im out of here.......


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 12:33:55 AM
But if this was a person who took her with a boat, or a person who she played with in the playground, or the person who came to deliver cheese, or the shop assitant in the super market who gave her a sweet, or the gardener whose work her dad was admiring while taking her for a walk.. or the nice barmen who gave her a drink or the ice cream man they just yesterday bought the ice cream from, or the driver who brought them from the airport.. Madeleine could easily identify these people!

Or a big black man who drove up in his tractor..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:35:58 AM
Well, I am just saying it would be possible she can identify some people.. even though she was there only for 6 days..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:36:44 AM
Or a big black man who drove up in his tractor..

LMSO SH.....or the lady cleaners who had two rag dolls in the back of their car so were suspects in abducting kids....crazy stupid circus......when will it end!!! Soon hopefully, very very soon! Well read enough for one evening I think! off to get the peptobiamol!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 06, 2014, 12:38:15 AM
pegasus, I gave the maximun of data from this person which I can give without revealing his identity, and you will not get all the person information only by reading the PJ files, you have to read more sources, like Madeleine book by Kate, and Amaral book for example, and search some additional sources (and if you got this info, because you are a smart person, please do not make it public). Further, there may be three persons involved and not only one. That is why I read with attention the Daily Mail article who speaks about a gang of three.

What am I saying? These persons should be investigated and discarded, but investigated? yes! If the McCann and Murat were investigated for much less, these persons should be ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 12:38:23 AM
Until the truth is found, no idea is stupid idea.. all the possibilities are open!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:41:41 AM
Until the truth is found, no idea is stupid idea.. all the possibilities are open!

Some ideas are very stupid ideas......gnite now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 06, 2014, 12:57:46 AM
Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere.  I read a recent article in DM  8()-000( about the British police analysing mobile phone data.  Apparently they have narrowed it down to three suspects?  One Portuguese born.  All have previous and the current thinking is that it was a burglary gone wrong?  High level diplomatic discussions are taking place, with Theresa May involved, as British police do not have the authority to arrest and interview.

I have little knowledge on the case so have no firm views other than I think the parents were irresponsible to leave the children but I don't think they were involved.  Not sure about the tapas crowd  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 01:06:36 AM
Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere.  I read a recent article in DM  8()-000( about the British police analysing mobile phone data.  Apparently they have narrowed it down to three suspects?  One Portuguese born.  All have previous and the current thinking is that it was a burglary gone wrong?  High level diplomatic discussions are taking place, with Theresa May involved, as British police do not have the authority to arrest and interview.

I have little knowledge on the case so have no firm views other than I think the parents were irresponsible to leave the children but I don't think they were involved.  Not sure about the tapas crowd  >@@(*&)

Yes, we're discussing that very article right now, Holly. Nice to have you on the 'Madeleine' board!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 06, 2014, 01:14:59 AM
Ok Heriberto seems you are a good researcher so I assume the criminal record bit is correct, and I need to read more.

Re living near the sighting, there were many employees at that time living near that sighting.

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 01:30:16 AM
Well, I am just saying it would be possible she can identify some people.. even though she was there only for 6 days..

Perhaps in theory but in that case, why would someone who was concerned about recognition want to enter the apartment while the children were there?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Holly Goodhead on January 06, 2014, 01:47:35 AM
Yes, we're discussing that very article right now, Holly. Nice to have you on the 'Madeleine' board!

Thank you Sherlock.  It is nice to be wanted on the 'Madeleine' board!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 06, 2014, 05:39:36 AM
Well, it is enough he gives the name to the SY or PJ, or both. I am happy with that..
Why would we need to know the name anyway?
Only if the person gets questioned, and made Arguido, the world would need to know about it

Jeez if this blokes information is in the PJ files as stated, then the PJ and the SY will know about him anyway.

Having a criminal record means NOTHING. He could have done something when he was a youth and turned his life around just like tractor guy....

This is all garbage.

Non of this is ever going to find the child its getting ridiculous.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 06, 2014, 05:47:36 AM
Thank you Sherlock.  It is nice to be wanted on the 'Madeleine' board!

Yes we sometimes keep ourselves to ourselves a bit over here - it's nice to have a visitor.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 06, 2014, 05:50:30 AM
pegasus, I gave the maximun of data from this person which I can give without revealing his identity, and you will not get all the person information only by reading the PJ files, you have to read more sources, like Madeleine book by Kate, and Amaral book for example, and search some additional sources (and if you got this info, because you are a smart person, please do not make it public). Further, there may be three persons involved and not only one. That is why I read with attention the Daily Mail article who speaks about a gang of three.

What am I saying? These persons should be investigated and discarded, but investigated? yes! If the McCann and Murat were investigated for much less, these persons should be ...

Sorry hun any credibility you had has just gone out of the window if you believe ANYTHING you read in the Daily Mail...

IF you go and look on the official McCann FACEBOOK page, they have dissed themselves from any of this media and more or less called it spurious...

NON of this is truth IF it was you can bet your bottom dollar SY would never have allowed it to be published.

IF you found information about this guy in the PJ files, then you can bet the PJ and the SY would have investigated him or her.

Jeez why cant people let the police do their jobs. IF they had the beginning I think we could have found the child...now its all just a circus with tigers...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 06, 2014, 05:51:37 AM
Well, I am just saying it would be possible she can identify some people.. even though she was there only for 6 days..

Wasnt IT DARK in the apartment? Not even Mrs McCann could really see the child in the bed...how would the child recognise ANYONE in the dark?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 11:44:08 AM
Wasnt IT DARK in the apartment? Not even Mrs McCann could really see the child in the bed...how would the child recognise ANYONE in the dark?

Good point
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 11:44:41 AM
Sorry hun any credibility you had has just gone out of the window if you believe ANYTHING you read in the Daily Mail...

IF you go and look on the official McCann FACEBOOK page, they have dissed themselves from any of this media and more or less called it spurious...

NON of this is truth IF it was you can bet your bottom dollar SY would never have allowed it to be published.

IF you found information about this guy in the PJ files, then you can bet the PJ and the SY would have investigated him or her.

Jeez why cant people let the police do their jobs. IF they had the beginning I think we could have found the child...now its all just a circus with tigers...

+1

 8@??)(

And look at the comments!Some excellent ones

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html#comments


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:31:30 PM
Kerry Needham did no better or worse than she could have done under the circumstances at the time.  There just weren't the same resources available to her in those days.

The McCanns kicked that off by their relentless use of all means available now, today.  Stranger Child Abduction will never be the same again. 

It is too late for Kerry Needham, and it might be too late for The McCanns.  But just watch the next one.  Beyond those who will always seek to blame the parents, for some reason that is inexplicable to me.  No one will be listening to you.
missed this

Your problem with that is that the parents invariably are involved.....alot more so than strangers....its not illogical to suspects parents..even less so with some grounds....there hopefully the inexclipable is less so for you now
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 06, 2014, 12:41:43 PM
missed this

Your problem with that is that the parents invariably are involved.....alot more so than strangers....its not illogical to suspects parents..even less so with some grounds....there hopefully the inexclipable is less so for you now
You are wrong.  The parents are NOT invariably involved.  We all know that in the majority of cases parents are involved, but there are others where the parents have no part ... as you undoubtedly know, but prefer to "forget"

Why twist things, put out disinformationand deceive?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 12:51:09 PM
You are wrong.  The parents are NOT invariably involved.  We all know that in the majority of cases parents are involved, but there are others where the parents have no part ... as you undoubtedly know, but prefer to "forget"

Why twist things, put out disinformationand deceive?


Ooh slaps own wrist for not knowing the actual definition of the word "invariably" .....my mistake....how is "most or very likely"? Or in your own words...."parents involved in majority of cases"... Though that isnt strictly true...figures include other family and then friends of family..


My original post to Elenor stands.....


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 06, 2014, 12:55:49 PM
Wasnt IT DARK in the apartment? Not even Mrs McCann could really see the child in the bed...how would the child recognise ANYONE in the dark? 

Not according to the Gospel of Gerry on his check who could see his beautiful sleeping daughter from the door. But that Gospel has many contradictions from sleeping on top of the covers because it was hot and talking to Jez on the the other side of the road. Not to mention the key or could his Gospel be the KEY to unlocking this case.

"it being 22h03, he again alerted KATE that it was time to check the children"

Hmmm some said like Matt that she left to check at 9.50pm. An actual time 10.03pm - was that the time of the actual sighting?  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 06, 2014, 01:21:32 PM
Ooh slaps own wrist for not knowing the actual definition of the word "invariably" .....my mistake....how is "most or very likely"? Or in your own words...."parents involved in majority of cases"... Though that isnt strictly true...figures include other family and then friends of family..


My original post to Elenor stands.....
just adding to your reputation for twisting things?  Eh ?

i would have expected someone of your undoubted intellect to know what invariably means .... perhaps you are not as intelligent as I thought.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 02:42:12 PM
Wasnt IT DARK in the apartment? Not even Mrs McCann could really see the child in the bed...how would the child recognise ANYONE in the dark?

In the room. Yes. But not in the whole apartment.

But mind you, a tidy print of Madeleine in her bed suggests she was just lifted from her bed.

The 'easiest' crime here would be.. a person enters the apartment, opens the window, lifts Madeleine, passes her through the window to accomplice.. Job finished. The person just puts his hands into his pocket, locks the doors and goes back to his-her duties..

The mobile traffic while the window was open, and the person waited for the accomplice would be interesting. If we knew what 'moment' this was..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 06, 2014, 03:03:05 PM
They accused Matt Oldfield of that according to the Madeleine book.

"Gerry was there for thirteen hours. When he finally returned to the apartment he related how Matt had been almost hysterical during his interview. Gerry had heard him shouting and crying. Apparently, it had been put to Matt that he’d handed Madeleine out through the window to a third party."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 06, 2014, 03:52:55 PM
just adding to your reputation for twisting things?  Eh ?

i would have expected someone of your undoubted intellect to know what invariably means .... perhaps you are not as intelligent as I thought.


I suggest you check the various definitions of "invariably".... The word is not that different to the meaning I gave it....something that is constant, never changes,  predictable, is one......I never meant to suggest that the " parents are always involved"...why would I? I know the facts and figures....less of the constant ad hominems hey?Seems you cant type a single post to anyone much without using them, tiresome.....







Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 06, 2014, 08:11:15 PM
They accused Matt Oldfield of that according to the Madeleine book.

"Gerry was there for thirteen hours. When he finally returned to the apartment he related how Matt had been almost hysterical during his interview. Gerry had heard him shouting and crying. Apparently, it had been put to Matt that he’d handed Madeleine out through the window to a third party."

Thank you! I didn't know this! I've got the book but haven't fully read it ..
This would be the most logical, wouldn't it?
Especially because he failed to call the police when he was sent to do that..
This would be the first thought of the police, as usually the police always asks the question ' who called you first?' and 'who was last person who saw the victim?'
I once heard a friend, who is a policeman, asking these two questions, when first contacted about a crime..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 07, 2014, 01:14:31 AM
@ Heriberto
I respect and share with you the principle of not naming
The item I could not find confirmation of is "(c) had a previous record for theft"
I looked in files, books, and some other places too.
Are you sure is same person?
Of course, I accept it is possible you are correct and I failed to find it..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on January 07, 2014, 04:19:45 PM
Members are asked not to make trial related posts on this thread.   This thread should only be used for updates on the search for Madeleine.

Those trial related posts which have already been wrongly posted here today have been moved to the relevant topic thread below.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 06:10:53 PM
Yes, they are cases..



Which cases?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 07, 2014, 06:11:56 PM
Using general anesthetic.

Only if they were medically qualified.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 06:13:25 PM
Using general anesthetic.

Thats a point.....and according to heri the abductor  could have picked madeleine up through the windiw when she just walked over......thinking it was her parents



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uWUXFMZdWE&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2014, 06:29:46 PM
Not difficult to understand, just difficult to believe.

its much easier for you to believe something far more unlikely...as long as it blames the parents
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 07, 2014, 06:32:02 PM
its much easier for you to believe something far more unlikely...as long as it blames the parents

There are so many false trails that I find it difficult to believe anything.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 06:35:51 PM
There are so many false trails that I find it difficult to believe anything.

False trails, tells you everything doesnt it.......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 07, 2014, 06:54:27 PM
its much easier for you to believe something far more unlikely...as long as it blames the parents

Some of us have no axe to grind one way or another. It's really b****r all to do with personalities. If its likely I'll believe it but if believing it relies on accepting a series of unlikely events it then becomes flaky whether its called McCann, Amaral or The Cat in the Hat.
By the way old stick have you worked out my mother tongue and where I am from yet?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 06:58:36 PM
Some of us have no axe to grind one way or another. It's really b****r all to do with personalities. If its likely I'll believe it but if believing it relies on accepting a series of unlikely events it then becomes flaky whether its called McCann, Amaral or The Cat in the Hat.
By the way old stick have you worked out my mother tongue and where I am from yet?

+1


The messsage/theory whatever it is that people  hate the mccanns or want to lay blame  is the reason they have doubts  is preposterous to the extreme.....

a bit like kate mccann saying in some  interview perhaps people would believe her if she had bigger breasts...dear god.....the mentality is shocking
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2014, 07:03:13 PM
Some of us have no axe to grind one way or another. It's really b****r all to do with personalities. If its likely I'll believe it but if believing it relies on accepting a series of unlikely events it then becomes flaky whether its called McCann, Amaral or The Cat in the Hat.
By the way old stick have you worked out my mother tongue and where I am from yet?

There are plenty here with axes to grind...craic is an irish word as you know but your posts are littered with Americanisms.. in this global world that probably makes you a Manchester united supporter from viet nam...am I close... I personally don't believe an abductor is a flaky idea...I think a cover up , fraudulent fund etc are flaky
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 07:06:57 PM
+1


The messsage/theory whatever it is that people  hate the mccanns or want to lay blame  is the reason they have doubts  is preposterous to the extreme.....

Yep ludicrous.

I suspected them first, then grew an immense disliking of them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 07, 2014, 07:14:25 PM
+1


The messsage/theory whatever it is that people  hate the mccanns or want to lay blame  is the reason they have doubts  is preposterous to the extreme.....

a bit like kate mccann saying in some  interview perhaps people would believe her if she had bigger breasts...dear god.....the mentality is shocking

+ 2

It is just silly to claim that people who question that which it  is perfectly reasonable to question have some  'mean'  motive for doing so

It is, of course,  a classic propaganda technique  ...  demonising one's opponent so as to avoid addressing the substance of the argument  ( form of ad hominem  )   The   goal is to make it impossible for opponents to be heard respectfully in the debate  (  they are all '[ censored word ]s' )
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 07, 2014, 07:19:04 PM
+ 2

It is just silly to claim that people who question that which it  is perfectly reasonable to question have some  'mean'  motive for doing so

It is, of course,  a classic propaganda technique  ...  demonising one's opponent so as to avoid addressing the substance of the argument  ( form of ad hominem  )   The   goal is to make it impossible for opponents to be heard respectfully in the debate  (  they are all '[ censored word ]s' )

Avoid the substance of the argument? My dear chum, there never is any substance! And if people don't want to be accused of hating the McCanns, then they need to behave a bit more reasonably. And sanely.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 07:21:05 PM
Yep ludicrous.

I suspected them first, then grew an immense disliking of them.

The first I heard of the story on the morning news was she was abducted when they were away eating a distance away...myears pricked up....i thought how convenient.....how strange.... but I thought  nothing more about it much.....until all the crap that poured out soon after......and then the beginning of the endless sofa interviews, speaking like  dummies to a script...whatever they were asked...,then their bleeding fund was set up a few days later and their brother saying it can be used for private  detectives...,,this is may 17 or so and they already predicting the PJ might not solve it!?...and even though  they had over a million quid in it they started selling tat.....too commercial and then they hired lawyers left right  and centre...pdq


not normal imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 07:21:20 PM
Avoid the substance of the argument? My dear chum, there never is any substance! And if people don't want to be accused of hating the McCanns, then they need to behave a bit more reasonably. And sanely.

Strange but I've never seen icabod behave unreasonably.

I can't say they same about myself however.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 07:23:20 PM
+ 2

It is just silly to claim that people who question that which it  is perfectly reasonable to question have some  'mean'  motive for doing so

It is, of course,  a classic propaganda technique  ...  demonising one's opponent so as to avoid addressing the substance of the argument  ( form of ad hominem  )   The   goal is to make it impossible for opponents to be heard respectfully in the debate  (  they are all '[ censored word ]s' )

Exactly so plus  3+
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 07:24:18 PM
The first I heard of the story on the morning news was she was abducted when they were away eating a distance away...myears pricked up....i thought how convenient.....how strange.... but I thought  nothing more about it much.....until all the crap that poured out soon after......and then the beginning of the endless sofa interviews, speaking like  dummies to a script...whatever they were asked...,then their bleeding fund was set up a few days later and their brother saying it can be used for private  detectives...,,this is may 17 or so and they already predicting the PJ might not solve it!?...and even though  they had over a million quid in it they started selling tat.....too commercial and then they hired lawyers left right  and centre...pdq


not normal imo

The 4th May statement didn't convince me in the slightest.
No matter how hard Kate strained she couldn't get a real tear drop to come out.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2014, 07:28:16 PM
The first I heard of the story on the morning news was she was abducted when they were away eating a distance away...myears pricked up....i thought how convenient.....how strange.... but I thought  nothing more about it much.....until all the crap that poured out soon after......and then the beginning of the endless sofa interviews, speaking like  dummies to a script...whatever they were asked...,then their bleeding fund was set up a few days later and their brother saying it can be used for private  detectives...,,this is may 17 or so and they already predicting the PJ might not solve it!?...and even though  they had over a million quid in it they started selling tat.....too commercial and then they hired lawyers left right  and centre...pdq


not normal imo
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Quote

perhaps you don't find their behaviour normal but I do. Perhaps that's because I have a similar educational background to the McCanns and you dont
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 07:28:56 PM
The 4th May statement didn't convince me in the slightest.
No matter how hard Kate strained she couldn't get a real tear drop to come out.

you can read into things too much but yea shes never cried for maddie much well if at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 08:22:01 PM
Sorry but I am not in a mood for a long meaningless discussions with almost hysterical posters .. I said it what it is most logical to me and whoever doesn't feel the same it is their right
Also I am not interested in discussions about the parents of Madeleine McCann.. in my view they are the victims of this case.. as long as they are not suspects in this investigation I am going along with the police.. they have more info and they know better..

However the police & the McCanns are yet to show us any solid evidence which proves their complete non involvement in Madeleine's disappearance, despite their apparent non suspect status. And the police are not infallible. So in that instance I will trust my own judgement.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 07, 2014, 08:28:08 PM
Andy Redwood stated very clearly that the parents are not suspect.

I would rather trust a respected professional such as DC Redwood, who btw researched the case and has the sufficient info,  than some anonymous dodgy internet poster who btw could be some sado-twisted minded- peadophile, with a sick intention to punish these poor parents.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 08:30:21 PM
Andy Redwood stated very clearly that the parents are not suspect.

I would rather trust a respected professional such as DC Redwood, who btw researched the case and has the sufficient info,  than some anonymous dodgy internet poster who btw could be some sado-twisted minded- peadophile, with a sick intention to punish these poor parents.

What? who is that reply aimed at? In anycase u are mad...now how about answering petinent questions


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 07, 2014, 08:32:26 PM
What? who is that reply ained at? In anycase u are mad...


 @)(++(*

This is not about me, and whatever you brand me with it is such typical way the certain group of posters work..

I would like to be out of this kind of circle and only discuss the case..not the posters..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 07, 2014, 08:35:04 PM
Andy Redwood stated very clearly that the parents are not suspect.

I would rather trust a respected professional such as DC Redwood, who btw researched the case and has the sufficient info,  than some anonymous dodgy internet poster who btw could be some sado-twisted minded- peadophile, with a sick intention to punish these poor parents.

That is true.   However, that does not mean that they could become suspects should a body turn up.  It also does not mean that they have been cleared.   In a nutshell, the McCanns are stuck between a rock and a hard    place and will remain there until it is known what happened to Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 07, 2014, 08:35:59 PM
That is true.   However, that does not mean that they could become suspects should a body turn up.  It also does not mean that they have been cleared.

If they're not suspects by now, old chum, they're never going to be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 08:37:38 PM
Andy Redwood stated very clearly that the parents are not suspect.

I would rather trust a respected professional such as DC Redwood, who btw researched the case and has the sufficient info,  than some anonymous dodgy internet poster who btw could be some sado-twisted minded- peadophile, with a sick intention to punish these poor parents.

Did I ask you to trust me?

And what would I want to punish the parents for ?   Have they done something wrong?

And yes I could be a sado twisted paedophile, I am always open to new experiences & will try anything twice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 07, 2014, 08:40:23 PM
That is true.   However, that does not mean that they could become suspects should a body turn up.  It also does not mean that they have been cleared.

You are right.. but in my mind the possibility of such situation even if the body appear is extremely small..

And it looks like it is the same in the heads of the people who are currently working on this case..

The parents as suspects is sooooooo last year.. not in fashion any more.. actually this fashion trend was over many years ago.. now they are looking for the people who are outside of the family circle.. and it has been clearly stated many times..

So, why then focus on the last years fashion.. and focus so much than any other possibility is quickly denied..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 07, 2014, 08:40:31 PM
If they're not suspects by now, old chum, they're never going to be.

Why ever not?   You obviously don't know how the police system works in Portugal.  If evidence is uncovered down the line which implicates the McCanns they will not only become suspects but will be arrested.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 08:40:48 PM
If they're not suspects by now, old chum, they're never going to be.

And as they still haven't found the 'abductor(s)' by now do you think they ever will ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2014, 08:42:21 PM
Why ever not?   You obviously don't know how the police system works in Portugal.  If evidence is uncovered down the line which implicates the McCanns they will not only become suspects but will be arrested.

and rightly so...no one would disagree with that..but lets find the evidence first
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 08:43:45 PM
If they're not suspects by now, old chum, they're never going to be.

operation grange took two years to find tannerman...bit presumptious of you to declare what sy think know, might think, do or not


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 07, 2014, 08:46:11 PM
Did I ask you to trust me?

And what would I want to punish the parents for ?   Have they done something wrong?

And yes I could be a sado twisted paedophile, I am always open to new experiences & will try anything twice.

If that's good for you it's good for me too..

My advice, when trying.. don't do anything illegal ;) and what would be hurting others.. otherwise your actions might later hunt you :))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 07, 2014, 08:46:16 PM
You are right.. but in my mind the possibility of such situation even if the body appear is extremely small..

And it looks like it is the same in the heads of the people who are currently working on this case..

The parents as suspects is sooooooo last year.. not in fashion any more.. actually this fashion trend was over many years ago.. now they are looking for the people who are outside of the family circle.. and it has been clearly stated many times..

So, why then focus on the last years fashion.. and focus so much than any other possibility is quickly denied..

Thank you Vixte.   People must realise that anything is still possible in this case.  Police officers must keep an open mind otherwise they risk damaging the investigation.  That is why Redwood is extremely guarded in what he reveals to Joe public.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 07, 2014, 08:47:31 PM
You are right.. but in my mind the possibility of such situation even if the body appear is extremely small..

And it looks like it is the same in the heads of the people who are currently working on this case..

The parents as suspects is sooooooo last year.. not in fashion any more.. actually this fashion trend was over many years ago.. now they are looking for the people who are outside of the family circle.. and it has been clearly stated many times..

So, why then focus on the last years fashion.. and focus so much than any other possibility is quickly denied..

Dont be so silly to talk about fashion...how condescending and arrogant....and presumptuous....you  know nithing really.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 07, 2014, 08:48:15 PM
operation grange took two years to find tannerman...bit presumptious of you to declare what sy think know, might think, do or not


 @)(++(*

Remember  the pj never found him
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 07, 2014, 08:49:54 PM
If that's good for you it's good for me too..

My advice, when trying.. don't do anything illegal ;) and what would be hurting others.. otherwise your actions might later hunt you :))

My actions might later hunt me?

That sounds a bit creepy, should I expect my actions to be hunting me anytime soon?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 07, 2014, 08:51:25 PM
Thank you Vixte.   People must realise that anything is still possible in this case.  Police officers must keep an open mind otherwise they risk damaging the investigation.  That is why Redwood is extremely guarded in what he reveals to Joe public.

Yes.. I believe they did investigate the parents first this time.. as any police protocol in any normal circumstances would suggest first..
They are not Amarals.. this is a whole team of highly classed professionals..on both PJ and SY sides.. so I believe these professional teams have already finished with the first - beginners task.


The possibility that all of them are wrong and only Amaral is right is logically very small..

So, once they passed this step, as in any other investigation protocol they step into the further area.. and this is where they are now..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on January 07, 2014, 09:25:55 PM
Members should note that the burglary versus abductor discussion has been moved.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3175.msg118494#msg118494
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 08, 2014, 07:18:05 AM
operation grange took two years to find tannerman...bit presumptious of you to declare what sy think know, might think, do or not


 @)(++(*

Yes it seems presumption abounds in this case.

The fact that it is felt by some that the PJ did not do their job properly or thoroughly in this case is presumptuous. They are not a third world country far from it.

I have done tons of reading about portugal/algarve since this happened and the police there are pretty much on the spot. The place is known to be a safe place to live in.

The police work hard there to make it a safe place.

I have no doubt in my mind that the police did a THOROUGH job on investigating this case. They came to a dead end and it wasnt just the portugese police who were dealing with the case it was the BRITISH police too.

Its almost like the child never existed. I often wonder if she did simply wander out, and get herself into a small hole somehow where she couldnt get out, and one day sadly we will find her. There was a case I think in Australia where a child just disappeared but it was the families dog who found her she had walking into a storm drain....

I cant believe Scotland Yard are going to spend in the region of 10 million pounds in this case, when there are lots of other cold cases they could be working on. They have been reading through copious amounts of paperwork for TWO YEARS and have come up with nothing...IF they had come up with something solid, they would not have needed to use Crime Watch in the first place.

IF there was something to be found, I believe it would have been in 2007.

Whoever took this child was either very LUCKY or very CLEVER as they left nothing.

The road just goes no where............and whatever evidence there was has been dismissed.

We can go on and on and on about this case but really we are just talking around in circles as we always end up at the beginning again...with no ending.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 02:57:40 PM

Madeleine McCann: Scotland Yard requests more help from Portugal The Telegraph

A second "International Letter of Request" asking for assistance has been sent to the Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police detectives investigating Madeleine's disappearance

By Sam Marsden
1:30PM GMT 10 Jan 2014

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry.

Police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought, but the move appears to suggest that fresh suspects or promising new lines have been identified.

The Crown Prosecution Service sent a second "International Letter of Request" to the Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police this week.

The first letter asking for help was submitted to Portugal as Scotland Yard announced it was launching a full investigation into the case, codenamed Operation Grange, in July last year.

Over the summer British detectives sent further International Letters of Request to 30 other countries, most of them in Europe.

The requests relate to persons of interest and unidentified mobile phone numbers that were recorded in Praia da Luz in southern Portugal around the time that Madeleine, then aged three, went missing from her family's holiday flat on May 3, 2007.

Because British police have no jurisdiction to operate overseas, they must ask their counterparts in other countries to carry out investigative work and interview suspects on their behalf.

Under European Union rules, member states are expected to comply with requests like these made under Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties.

Portugal's attorney general announced in October that his country's investigative Policia Judiciaria had reopened their inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance after receiving new evidence.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said on Friday: "We can confirm that a second International Letter of Request has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services this week in connection with Operation Grange."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10563621/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-requests-more-help-from-Portugal.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 10, 2014, 03:04:37 PM
Jolly good stuff.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 03:12:20 PM
Presumably the letters sent to the  30 other countries haven't turned anything much  up, else there wouldn't need to be a second round just to Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 10, 2014, 03:14:07 PM
Presumably the letters sent to the  30 other countries haven't turned anything much  up, else there wouldn't need to be a second round just to Portugal.

Or maybe they got want they wanted from those countries, in terms of cell phone records/identities of various individuals and thus have no need to ask for any more. Or maybe they're still working on the data received from the first set of letters, but in the meantime have more leads to follow in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 03:17:52 PM
I just find it odd that after all this time in such a high profile case which affects both countries, they still haven't formed a closer working relationship.

And when you add it to the Crimewatch programme not being shown in Portugal it just seems even more bizarre.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 03:21:44 PM
I just find it odd that after all this time in such a high profile case which affects both countries, they still haven't formed a closer working relationship.

And when you add it to the Crimewatch programme not being shown in Portugal it just seems even more bizarre.

They may be close thank we think, but things have to be done according to certain procedures.
The Met cannot operate in other countries, so must formally request assistance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 10, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
I just find it odd that after all this time in such a high profile case which affects both countries, they still haven't formed a closer working relationship.

And when you add it to the Crimewatch programme not being shown in Portugal it just seems even more bizarre.

I find it telling that Scotland Yard have to be involved at all, to be honest, but it looks like it's done the trick to some extent, in nudging the Portuguese authorities into looking at the case again.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 10, 2014, 03:25:49 PM
I just find it odd that after all this time in such a high profile case which affects both countries, they still haven't formed a closer working relationship.

And when you add it to the Crimewatch programme not being shown in Portugal it just seems even more bizarre.

Not of wont of the Portuguese stations asking to do so, turned down by the BBC there...but we had headlines sayng the Portuguese WONT show Crimewatch!! Mccanns are disappointed etc etc?.similar to the flakey stories, PT wont do this, draggng heels, wont do that etc
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 03:29:51 PM
They may be close thank we think, but things have to be done according to certain procedures.
The Met cannot operate in other countries, so must formally request assistance.

The thing is, when Maddie dissapeared the LP were on the ground in Portugal pronto, ok they had no powers of arrest but they must have been doing something...

So why now are there not Met officers assisting like they had in 2007?
They wouldn't have to be making arrests but could be assisting the investigation as they apparently did before.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 03:39:55 PM
The thing is, when Maddie dissapeared the LP were on the ground in Portugal pronto, ok they had no powers of arrest but they must have been doing something...

So why now are there not Met officers assisting like they had in 2007?
They wouldn't have to be making arrests but could be assisting the investigation as they apparently did before.

The LP were only Family liaison officers and were probably not closely involved in any investigation. other than perhaps making a few suggestions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 03:49:51 PM
The LP were only Family liaison officers and were probably not closely involved in any investigation. other than perhaps making a few suggestions.

So could they not be on the ground now communicating with the police back home & making a few suggestions?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 03:53:06 PM
They may be close thank we think, but things have to be done according to certain procedures.
The Met cannot operate in other countries, so must formally request assistance.
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Correct.  Any arrest on  evidence  incorrectly acquired can be deemed invalid in a Court of Law.  And almost certainly will be.

This new letter leads me to suspect that it concerns a British Citizen no longer residing in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 03:53:54 PM
I think there is probably a difference between making a few suggestions and directing the line of enquiry.

When the rogatory statements were made in UK, Portuguese police were present, but could not interfere or react with the process
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 10, 2014, 03:54:58 PM
So could they not be on the ground now communicating with the police back home & making a few suggestions?

I'm not sure what good a family liaison officer would do at this stage!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 04:04:10 PM
I'm not sure what good a family liaison officer would do at this stage!

Ok not Family Liason officers  @)(++(*  but Detectives, why not?

They wouldn't have to direct enquiries but could still help to some degree couldn't they.

How is it possible in this day and age that 2 European countries are still faffing around with separate lines of enquiry and rogatory letters. It just sounds like a whole load of bureaucracy getting in the way finding a child whom the MET have said may still be alive.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 04:10:50 PM
Ok not Family Liason officers  @)(++(*  but Detectives, why not?

They wouldn't have to direct enquiries but could still help to some degree couldn't they.

How is it possible in this day and age that 2 European countries are still faffing around with separate lines of enquiry and rogatory letters. It just sounds like a whole load of bureaucracy getting in the way finding a child whom the MET have said may still be alive.

Its just the way it is done.
I don't suppose the Home Office would be too happy for foreign police to operate freely on UK territory
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 04:14:58 PM
Its just the way it is done.
I don't suppose the Home Office would be too happy for foreign police to operate freely on UK territory

Imagine the scenario, Maddie is infact alive being kept in a secret Algarve bunker, her rescue is potentially being delayed by international red tape and doing everything by the book.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 04:21:08 PM
I believe Mrs May wants to opt out of many of the arrangements, including the European Arrest Warrant, which could make cooperation between countries even more difficult.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 04:25:08 PM
Ok not Family Liason officers  @)(++(*  but Detectives, why not?

They wouldn't have to direct enquiries but could still help to some degree couldn't they.

How is it possible in this day and age that 2 European countries are still faffing around with separate lines of enquiry and rogatory letters. It just sounds like a whole load of bureaucracy getting in the way finding a child whom the MET have said may still be alive.

It is The Law.  Simple as that.  It is in place to protect anyone.  Even you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 04:28:22 PM
It is The Law.  Simple as that.  It is in place to protect anyone.  Even you.

So the law that is there to protect Madeleine could infact be harming her by delaying her rescue from the clutches of her burgling, paedophile captors. Tragic isn't it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 10, 2014, 04:49:19 PM
If they're not suspects by now, old chum, they're never going to be.

Try telling that to Peter Hogg, killer of Margaret Hogg.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 05:27:38 PM
So the law that is there to protect Madeleine could infact be harming her by delaying her rescue from the clutches of her burgling, paedophile captors. Tragic isn't it.
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Possibly.  But there would be no point in accusing the wrong person.  Or even the right person if it cannot be proved.  The Perpetrator is hardly going to fall over and admit it, is he.  Especially after all of the shite on The Internet.

I would like to say that Amaral caused this, but I don't actually think that this is true.  Amaral was in a bad place himself, and just not competent.

The tragedy might well be his also.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 05:32:23 PM
So the law that is there to protect Madeleine could infact be harming her by delaying her rescue from the clutches of her burgling, paedophile captors. Tragic isn't it.
[/quote.

Possibly.  But there would be no point in accusing the wrong person.  Or even the right person if it cannot be proved.  The Perpetrator is hardly going to fall over and admit it, is he.  Especially after all of the shite on The Internet.

I would like to say that Amaral caused this, but I don't actually think that this is true.  Amaral was in a bad place himself, and just not competent.

The tragedy might well be his also.

I consider he was removed at a bad time for dubious reasons and the man who replaced him seemed to do little better. The  Portuguese judiciary system was completely outclassed and undermined  by the McCann PR machine and the UK media
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 05:56:47 PM
I consider he was removed at a bad time for dubious reasons and the man who replaced him seemed to do little better. The  Portuguese judiciary system was completely outclassed and undermined  by the McCann PR machine and the UK media

Oh do come on.  No one could have outclassed a sensible investigation.  And The UK Media were putting the boot in at the time, against The McCanns.  So that won't do. 
The man who came in after the sacking of Amaral was just left to clean up the mess.
Possibly more shame to him.  I can't even remember his name.  But he shot back to Portugal when someone in The PJ was leaking yet again, while his back was turned.
Is this any way to conduct an investigation?

And No, I am not going to get emotional about this.  That would do nothing for Madeleine.

It was just a God Almighty cock up, for which I don't particularly want to blame anyone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 06:01:22 PM
Oh do come on.  No one could have outclassed a sensible investigation.  And The UK Media were putting the boot in at the time, against The McCanns.  So that won't do. 
The man who came in after the sacking of Amaral was just left to clean up the mess.
Possibly more shame to him.  I can't even remember his name.  But he shot back to Portugal when someone in The PJ was leaking yet again, while his back was turned.
Is this any way to conduct an investigation?

And No, I am not going to get emotional about this.  That would do nothing for Madeleine.

It was just a God Almighty cock up, for which I don't particularly want to blame anyone.


So you don't particuarly want to blame anyone,  with the exception being the entire Portuguese police force it would appear.
It makes sense I suppose as your not blaming any one individual, with the exception of Goncarlo Amaral that is.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 10, 2014, 06:01:31 PM
Oh do come on.  No one could have outclassed a sensible investigation.  And The UK Media were putting the boot in at the time, against The McCanns.  So that won't do. 
The man who came in after the sacking of Amaral was just left to clean up the mess.
Possibly more shame to him.  I can't even remember his name.  But he shot back to Portugal when someone in The PJ was leaking yet again, while his back was turned.
Is this any way to conduct an investigation?

And No, I am not going to get emotional about this.  That would do nothing for Madeleine.

It was just a God Almighty cock up, for which I don't particularly want to blame anyone.

SY don't appear to be making much headway either and they have spent longer on the case than the PJ ever did - far more money too and don't seem to have got any further than excluding Tannerman and implicated burglar Bill ( allegedly)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 06:39:14 PM

So you don't particuarly want to blame anyone,  with the exception being the entire Portuguese police force it would appear.
It makes sense I suppose as your not blaming any one individual, with the exception of Goncarlo Amaral that is.

At the time, Goncalo Amaral had serious emotional and legal problems.  The latter to do with another missing child.  So it is of no great mystery to me that he was not capable.

As for the rest of The PJ in Portimoa, I really have no idea.  But you don't beat shit out of a defenceless woman in a Police Station without any one knowing about it.

Okay.  I withdraw my supposition that no one was to blame.  I believe that Portimao was policed by a bunch of raging Fascists who thought that they were God.  But Amaral only got away with this because the rest of them supported him.
So, on his head be it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 06:44:31 PM
At the time, Goncalo Amaral had serious emotional and legal problems.  The latter to do with another missing child.  So it is of no great mystery to me that he was not capable.

As for the rest of The PJ in Portimoa, I really have no idea.  But you don't beat shit out of a defenceless woman in a Police Station without any one knowing about it.

Okay.  I withdraw my supposition that no one was to blame.  I believe that Portimao was policed by a bunch of raging Fascists who thought that they were God.  But Amaral only got away with this because the rest of them supported him.
So, on his head be it.

It always feels much better when you get things off your chest, don't fanny around, just tell it like you see it, it's the best way.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 07:21:58 PM
It always feels much better when you get things off your chest, don't fanny around, just tell it like you see it, it's the best way.

Are your comments Sexist?  Whose Chest and and whose Fanny?  I ain't half as upper class as I might appear to be.  But there you go.  You could not possibly know who I am.  And my Fanny is none of your business anyway.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 10, 2014, 07:26:06 PM
Are your comments Sexist?  Whose Chest and and whose Fanny?  I ain't half as upper class as I might appear to be.  But there you go.  You could not possibly know who I am.  And my Fanny is none of your business anyway.

Sorry, wasn't trying to be sexist, just saying it's good to let it out.
And the less I know about discrete parts of your anatomy the better.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 10, 2014, 07:27:06 PM
Are your comments Sexist?  Whose Chest and and whose Fanny?  I ain't half as upper class as I might appear to be.  But there you go.  You could not possibly know who I am.  And my Fanny is none of your business anyway.

You are reading between far too many lines... 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 07:55:40 PM
Sorry, wasn't trying to be sexist, just saying it's good to let it out.
And the less I know about discrete parts of your anatomy the better.  8(0(*

Chance might be a good one.  But then I doubt that you are any more abysmal than I am when push comes to shove.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 07:58:51 PM
You are reading between far too many lines... 8-)(--)

Really.  And who was your Aunt Fanny?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 10, 2014, 08:09:29 PM
Really.  And who was your Aunt Fanny?

Don't have one, but Bob's your Uncle.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 10, 2014, 09:06:32 PM
Blimey it has turned into a dating site 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 10, 2014, 09:08:17 PM
Wheres the puke smiley?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 10, 2014, 09:46:39 PM
Don't have one, but Bob's your Uncle.

Oh Gosh.  Another East End Londoner like me.  Conkney born and bred.  But we were always kind people in my memory.
We never made assumptions because too many assumptions were made about us.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 10, 2014, 09:58:36 PM
Imagine the scenario, Maddie is infact alive being kept in a secret Algarve bunker, her rescue is potentially being delayed by international red tape and doing everything by the book.
Nah, I doubt that.

Madeleine almost certainly is in another country now.  But I agree, her rescue may well be being delayed by international red tape, and doing everything by the book..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 10, 2014, 10:04:45 PM
Oh Gosh.  Another East End Londoner like me.  Conkney born and bred.  But we were always kind people in my memory.
We never made assumptions because too many assumptions were made about us.

nothing wrong with eastenders, salt of the earth, except when theyre no good......!!!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 10, 2014, 10:15:30 PM
Oh Gosh.  Another East End Londoner like me.  Conkney born and bred.  But we were always kind people in my memory.
We never made assumptions because too many assumptions were made about us.

Nope, much further north. Still expressions my Mum used to use.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on January 10, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
A second "International Letter of Request" asking for assistance has been sent to the Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police detectives investigating Madeleine's disappearance

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have formally asked Portugal for more help with their inquiry.

Police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought, but the move appears to suggest that fresh suspects or promising new lines have been identified.

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The Crown Prosecution Service sent a second “International Letter of Request” to the Portuguese authorities on behalf of the Metropolitan Police this week.

The first letter asking for help was submitted to Portugal as Scotland Yard announced it was launching a full investigation into the case, codenamed Operation Grange, in July last year.

Over the summer British detectives sent further International Letters of Request to 30 other countries, most of them in Europe.

The requests relate to persons of interest and unidentified mobile phone numbers that were recorded in Praia da Luz in southern Portugal around the time that Madeleine, then aged three, went missing from her family’s holiday flat on May 3, 2007.

Because British police have no jurisdiction to operate overseas, they must ask their counterparts in other countries to carry out investigative work and interview suspects on their behalf.

Under European Union rules, member states are expected to comply with requests like these made under Mutual Legal Assistance Treaties.

Portugal’s attorney general announced in October that his country’s investigative Policia Judiciaria had reopened their inquiry into Madeleine’s disappearance after receiving new evidence.

A Metropolitan Police spokesman said on Friday: “We can confirm that a second International Letter of Request has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services this week in connection with Operation Grange.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 10, 2014, 11:20:16 PM
Oh Gosh.  Another East End Londoner like me.  Conkney born and bred.  But we were always kind people in my memory.
We never made assumptions because too many assumptions were made about us.

I love cockney accent  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 12:03:15 AM
Nah, I doubt that.

Madeleine almost certainly is in another country now.  But I agree, her rescue may well be being delayed by international red tape, and doing everything by the book..

What evidence can you provide to support your claim that she is almost certainly in another country Sadie?  In fact I would suggest she never left Portugal or even the Algarve for that matter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 11, 2014, 12:18:45 AM
What evidence can you provide to support your claim that she is almost certainly in another country Sadie?  In fact I would suggest she never left Portugal or even the Algarve for that matter.
I am not providing evidence altho I have pointers, which I will not share, but there is a string of sightings up to the north of PT if you care to take the time to look.

Cant think why Amaral and Co didn't spot them.  Mind, one of them came a good couple of years late.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 12:30:01 AM
Perhaps they dont speaka the same language
Anyway who told you they are not helpinga
The SY uk policia saying they are working together well...so dont worrya
English p olice have portuguese speakers and portuguese police have english speakers
No problemo really
Just dont read the sillya papers that make problems

Reda, pleasea donta takea the pissa.    ?{)(**

Gurdeep asks a pertinent question.  The answer could very well be that the Portuguese resent a foreign police force interfering in their domestic affairs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2014, 12:33:58 AM
I love cockney accent  8((()*/
w2

Yer well, I got lucky.  I got carted off to this frightfully nice Children's Home wherein I was treated very well, and taught to speak proper.  But don't imagine that I can't do Cockney if I have to.  It just so happens  that I rarely feel the need.
Just don't take me on because I have all sides of the coin.  I know it all.

The McCanns never abused any of of their children, and never did anything beyond what I have done.  God only that my parents had treated me so well.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 11, 2014, 12:39:11 AM
I love cockney accent  8((()*/
Me too.

I love all accents ... even good old Brummie .... and the Black Countries accents are fab ... each little town had its own version.

I would love to hear Johns accent.   And yours Gurdeep.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 12:39:59 AM
I am not providing evidence altho I have pointers, which I will not share, but there is a string of sightings up to the north of PT if you care to take the time to look.

Cant think why Amaral and Co didn't spot them.  Mind, one of them came a good couple of years late.

A string of sightings?

You have a short memory Sadie.  Remember those poor little Romanian gypsy girls?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 11, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
A string of sightings of Moroccan girls...not European girls and certainly not Madeleine McCann.

You have a short memory Sadie.  Remember those little Romanian gypsy girls?
Nothing to do with Moroccan girls or Romanies, John

I repeat, there is a string of sightings up to the north, only a short string, but it is there.  Then loads more sightings in the area.  Some ridiculed and others ignored by the PJ.


SY were interested and came back to me.  But that is all I can say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 12:51:59 AM
Nothing to do with Moroccan girls or Romanies, John

I repeat, there is a string of sightings up to the north, only a short string, but it is there.  Then loads more sightings in the area.  Some ridiculed and others ignored by the PJ.


SY were interested and came back to me.  But that is all I can say.

So why are you saying she is in another country if she is up north or are you talking about NW Spain?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 11, 2014, 12:55:57 AM
What evidence can you provide to support your claim that she is almost certainly in another country Sadie?  In fact I would suggest she never left Portugal or even the Algarve for that matter.

Thou hast committed adultery.  But that was in another country.  And now the wench is dead.

This is the hypocrisy of it all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 09:14:23 AM
Scotland Yard detectives investigating the abduction of Madeleine McCann last night formally requested help from the Portuguese authorities after British detectives identified three prime suspects.

In a significant move, the Crown Prosecution Service sent an International Letter of Request to Portuguese authorities.

The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine has revealed a gang of burglars were operating near to where she was abducted in May 2007.

Analysis of mobile phone calls indicates three men made a large number of telephone calls to each in the hours after Madeleine was reported missing from her holiday flat in the Algarve.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3971993.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_01_10



Rehash the nonsense burglar theory, attach it to the rogatory letters story & as if by magic, despite Scotland Yard refusing to comment, we have 3 new prime suspects!



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 09:27:26 AM
Scotland Yard detectives investigating the abduction of Madeleine McCann last night formally requested help from the Portuguese authorities after British detectives identified three prime suspects.

In a significant move, the Crown Prosecution Service sent an International Letter of Request to Portuguese authorities.

The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine has revealed a gang of burglars were operating near to where she was abducted in May 2007.

Analysis of mobile phone calls indicates three men made a large number of telephone calls to each in the hours after Madeleine was reported missing from her holiday flat in the Algarve.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3971993.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_01_10

How many more times is this information going to be passed off as new news?  I would have thought the London Times was ahead of the games instead of playing second fiddle.  The story seems to have been authored by some correspondent in Madrid so that probably explains it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 11, 2014, 09:28:58 AM
How many more times is this information going to be passed off as new news?  I would have thought the London Times was ahead of the games instead if playing second fiddle.  The story seems to have been authored by some correspondent in Madrid so that probably explains it.

It has become ridiculous.

Is it possible that the press are just taking the pi## ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 09:33:05 AM
It has become ridiculous.

Is it possible that the press are just taking the pi## ?

Taking the piss is about right.  A gang of burglars????   So bloody what?  Burglars DON"T abduct children!!!

I would love to know who is constantly promoting this shite so I could confront them?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 09:34:15 AM
How many more times is this information going to be passed off as new news?  I would have thought the London Times was ahead of the games instead of playing second fiddle.  The story seems to have been authored by some correspondent in Madrid so that probably explains it.

Have we seen any proof the burglar story is being investigated by SY?

According to the original Mirror/ Mail articles Scotland Yard had refused to comment.

So far it just looks to me like Heriberto ran to the press with it & nothing more.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2533510/Police-identify-three-prime-suspects-abduction-Madeleine-McCann-following-analysis-mobile-phone-data.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-three-burglars-prime-2989712



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 11, 2014, 09:36:10 AM
I wonder how they are making the connection between these three mens phones and them being burglars....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 09:37:09 AM
I wonder how they are making the connection between these three mens phones and them being burglars....


There is an app for it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 11, 2014, 09:38:42 AM

There is an app for it.

Golly Gosh!!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 09:41:29 AM
Scotland Yard detectives investigating the abduction of Madeleine McCann last night formally requested help from the Portuguese authorities after British detectives identified three prime suspects.

In a significant move, the Crown Prosecution Service sent an International Letter of Request to Portuguese authorities.

The Scotland Yard investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine has revealed a gang of burglars were operating near to where she was abducted in May 2007.

Analysis of mobile phone calls indicates three men made a large number of telephone calls to each in the hours after Madeleine was reported missing from her holiday flat in the Algarve.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/uk/crime/article3971993.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2014_01_10



Rehash the nonsense burglar theory, attach it to the rogatory letters story & as if by magic, despite Scotland Yard refusing to comment, we have 3 new prime suspects!

I'm afraid I don't have a times subscription , so can't read the whole article.
Is this confirmed by an official spokesperson from SY or CPS ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 09:47:35 AM
I'm afraid I don't have a times subscription , so can't read the whole article.
Is this confirmed by an official spokesperson from SY or CPS ?

I'm not subscribed either, but the answer is definitely no.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 11, 2014, 09:53:48 AM
I'm afraid I don't have a times subscription , so can't read the whole article.
Is this confirmed by an official spokesperson from SY or CPS ?

Heres the longer version....and the only thing thats been confirmed is that a second letter was sent this week...a Met spokesman was quoted the other day when the article first appeared

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21675.html?sid=0240d7448b1d95adecbf3869efa43f54

Eta

see last sentence in this article for Met spokesman

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21674.html?sid=0240d7448b1d95adecbf3869efa43f54


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 11, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
Quote from: Times article
British detectives believe the same burglars may have raided the flat where Madeleine was staying and woken her up by mistake. In the panic, they might have taken her away with them.


This must rank amongst one of the most stupid comments I have ever read.  It is plainly wrong on so many levels.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 11, 2014, 10:20:10 AM

This must rank amongst one of the most stupid comments I have ever read.  It is plainly wrong on so many levels.

In my opinion, there is something euphemistic either in the reporting, or in the information being passed to the press by the Met (assuming anything is being passed). I don't think its 'burglars' they are looking for.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 10:22:56 AM
In my opinion, there is something euphemistic either in the reporting, or in the information being passed to the press by the Met (assuming anything is being passed). I don't think its 'burglars' they are looking for.

No, neither do I. Hopefully they are focusing on the culprits and  this is not just another false lead.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 11, 2014, 12:00:42 PM
I have sinned against the mighty one by failing to include a link on previous posts. Reference Margaret Hogg whom I have mentioned twice in posts. So:-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Hogg.

This post is unashamedly aimed in one direction because of what it demonstrates.
1 Seemingly nice charismatic middle class professional people do commit beastly acts.
2 Time is not relevant.
3 Luck is everything.
4 Innocence is absolute although the perception is it is a tradeable commodity. ie had Peter Hoggs luck been better the body would not have been found therefore he would not have been found guilty but neither would he have been innocent.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on January 11, 2014, 12:09:37 PM


Seemingly nice charismatic middle class professional people do commit beastly acts.

They do.

And?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 01:09:14 PM

Seemingly nice charismatic middle class professional people do commit beastly acts.

They do.

And?

Have you seen or heard from Madeleine lately?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 11, 2014, 01:09:51 PM

Seemingly nice charismatic middle class professional people do commit beastly acts.

They do.

And?

I would prefer you had linked the four items together rather than highlight one in isolation. Nevertheless; I have read and inferred from this forum that there is a train of thought that says Drs McCann couldn't possibly be guilty because of their status; they must be innocent because after all this time no evidence has been found against them. The Hogg case shows it would not be wise to bet either way. Simple as that !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2014, 01:18:59 PM
I would prefer you had linked the four items together rather than highlight one in isolation. Nevertheless; I have read and inferred from this forum that there is a train of thought that says Drs McCann couldn't possibly be guilty because of their status; they must be innocent because after all this time no evidence has been found against them. The Hogg case shows it would not be wise to bet either way. Simple as that !

 when betting its best to look at all the variable..it isn't as simple as that...Margeret Hogg taunted her husband over an affair she was having...she physically attacked him..
I don't understand what your motive is to try and make a spurious link between the two cases...you have raised the hogg case several times
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 11, 2014, 01:40:09 PM
when betting its best to look at all the variable..it isn't as simple as that...Margeret Hogg taunted her husband over an affair she was having...she physically attacked him..
I don't understand what your motive is to try and make a spurious link between the two cases...you have raised the hogg case several times

You often start your sentences "I don't understand" ? That is self evident really.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 11, 2014, 01:45:28 PM
You often start your sentences "I don't understand" ? That is self evident really.

not at all ..its a british expression to express a degree of politeness and should not be taken literally...I have a reasonable understanding of your position but certainly not complete....
  you have said English is not your first language so that is probably why YOU don't understand
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 11, 2014, 03:03:30 PM
Taking the piss is about right.  A gang of burglars????   So bloody what?  Burglars DON"T abduct children!!!

I would love to know who is constantly promoting this shite so I could confront them?

What are you basing this on?

- A "gang of burglars" may be a loose association who aren't all necessarily physically present at any particular time.

- Is it mutually exclusive that a burglar could be a paedophile?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 03:06:49 PM
What are you basing this on?

- A "gang of burglars" may be a loose association who aren't all necessarily physically present at any particular time.

- Is it mutually exclusive that a burglar could be a paedophile?

No, but there is no evidence that the perpetrator was either, or both.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 11, 2014, 03:09:03 PM
No, but there is no evidence that the perpetrator was either, or both.

Just a thought, but it's possible that the Yard are privy to information that you might not be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 03:14:50 PM
Just a thought, but it's possible that the Yard are privy to information that you might not be.

I should hope they are, else they have wasted an awful lot of money.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 11, 2014, 03:19:28 PM
No, but there is no evidence that the perpetrator was either, or both.

Neither is there any evidence to the contrary, which is why I'm wondering what John was basing his reaction on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 03:22:53 PM
Neither is there any evidence to the contrary, which is why I'm wondering what John was basing his reaction on.

No, but you could just as easily suggest it was a one-legged Chinaman with a squint, as there's no evidence to the contrary for that, either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 03:24:38 PM
No, but you could just as easily suggest it was a one-legged Chinaman with a squint, as there's no evidence to the contrary for that, either.

lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 11, 2014, 03:43:34 PM
No, but you could just as easily suggest it was a one-legged Chinaman with a squint, as there's no evidence to the contrary for that, either.

True, but that doesn't explain John's assertion that burglars don't abduct children.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 11, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
Turn the argument on its head.


Are no paedophiles burglars?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 11, 2014, 03:53:55 PM
True, but that doesn't explain John's assertion that burglars don't abduct children.

Do they? I know you have quoted the case of P Voysey (sp?) who abducted a young girl and that his background included burglary, but he didnt go in there to burgle did he? Ive never heard of burglars raiding a house and also abducting a child whilst they are at it!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 11, 2014, 03:59:55 PM
Turn the argument on it's head.


Are no paedophiles burglars?


I think the work pattern of the average professional sex offending, child abducting burglar is seasonal,
When there is a shortage of stuff to nick or kids to abduct they supplement their income by busking.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 11, 2014, 04:08:48 PM
Turn the argument on its head.


Are no paedophiles burglars?

Pretty puerile stuff, Carana, because, guess what, some parents are too.

 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 11, 2014, 04:21:36 PM
How can you discuss that possibility so casually?

It beats me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 04:28:25 PM
How can you discuss that possibility so casually?

It beats me.

Perhaps, because for some, anything is preferable to the possibility of the  McCanns being responsible.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 11, 2014, 04:32:43 PM
Perhaps, because for some, anything is preferable to the possibility of the  McCanns being responsible.

I think you could be right, jassi. Certainly about some people - they need to have a long think about their motives.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 11, 2014, 04:33:03 PM
Perhaps, because for some, anything is preferable to the possibility of the  McCanns being responsible.

Its like an elastic band which keeps getting stretched further and further....at some point realistically it should break, but for some it can be stretched indefinitely without doing so,  its quite magical really

!







Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 11, 2014, 06:26:24 PM
not at all ..its a british expression to express a degree of politeness and should not be taken literally...I have a reasonable understanding of your position but certainly not complete....
  you have said English is not your first language so that is probably why YOU don't understand


Your understanding of my position? pray tell O Wisest of Pelicans lets all have a laugh.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2014, 06:29:04 PM

Your understanding of my position? pray tell O Wisest of Pelicans lets all have a laugh.

I'm having a laugh already  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on January 12, 2014, 11:03:00 AM
The last I read in the press about this case (the Daily Mail - hmmm, hardly the gospel truth) is that the police are following up leads that Madeleine's 'abduction' was by burglers. This presumably is supposed to link in with a spate of break-ins around the area.

Well - this one is quite priceless. It is probably even more implausible (if that is possible) than the abduction by a paedophile ring.

Just think about it. A petty thief decides to enter an apartment (no sign of a break in so apartment presumably unlocked, if we are to believe the bungled burglar theory). A cursory glance around reveals three young children in the apartment. Now what would any burglar worth his salt do in this particular situation?

Answers please, posters!

Would he/she/they:

1. Check that the children were asleep and if they were make off with any valuables as quickly as possible?

2. Find that one or more of the children were awake (unlikely if not impossible for it to be the twins as they were sleeping as if drugged as evidenced by not waking up even after the alarm was raised and merry hell was breaking out yet still they did not rouse - astonishing, really). Assuming Madeleine woke up ( if we are to believe the bungled burglary theory) what would your average petty thief do? Are we really expected to believe that he, she or they thought: 'oh, bloody hell, a child has woken up - never mind the loot, we better grab the 4 year old in case she blows the whistle'. What are the statistics on burglars who have tried to burgle a house where a  child has woken up, and decided to take the child?

3. Enter the apartment, find that there were children in there, one of whom was (allegedly) disturbed and think: 'this isn't worth it' and flee.

4. Enter an apartment, find that a child is awake, hide their faces and flee with whatever valuables they have managed to grab.

I presume the McCann's media 'experts' are spinning away but the bungled burglary theory is about as ridiculous as you can get. In fact, so silly is the theory that I found myself once again looking at Kate McCann's appalling book 'Madeleine'. The more I read about this very sad case, the more ludicrous Kate McCann's ramblings become.

Take a look at page 325/326 if you can stomach it. Apparently the receptionist is to blame (along with everyone else apart from the McCanns of course) as she wrote in the message book that they (the parents presumably) were leaving the children alone in the apartment.

This, apparently, was a 'green light' to a child taker.

.....err.....so why leave the children alone, if it were a 'green light'.......where is the logic?!

Then Kate goes on to reveal how 'night after night I read of depraved individuals.......of the horrific crimes they'd committed.....the police went to visit some of them.......'so many child molesters' .......'honest to God (there is God again!) when your child has been stolen surely you are entitled to expect more than this'......

Once again, I am struck by Kate's tone of self-righteous indignation. And, once again, we have that sense of entitlement.

She goes on to write how people can be completely wrong in their recall..........yes indeed.....some more than others it would seem.

Read this sentence carefully on page 326: 'One of the reasons I was so staggered when we were made arguidos was that I knew there was nothing to implicate us'.

Well......even if we are to believe that the Portugese police force were completely inept (which I do not) it is still a very strange choice of words from a mother whose child has supposedly been snatched from her bed.

Despite Kate's assertations, there is the simple fact that there is absolutely no evidence (to use Gerry's phrase although not in this context) that Madeleine was abducted or stolen from her bed that night by an unknown person. None whatsoever.

The crucial witnesses are the last people who saw Madeleine - either alive or dead.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 12, 2014, 11:16:19 AM


Take a look at page 325/326 if you can stomach it. Apparently the receptionist is to blame (along with everyone else apart from the McCanns of course) as she wrote in the message book that they (the parents presumably) were leaving the children alone in the apartment.


Why would she write such a thing? What was the reason for this? And when did she write it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on January 12, 2014, 11:17:17 AM
Another little gem from the back cover of the book: 'Once Madeliene has been found the fund will be used to assist searches for other missing children worldwide.'

So the fund will apparently help the parents of children who have gone missing only once 'Madeleine is found' and not a moment before.

Hmmm.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 11:33:57 AM
Another little gem from the back cover of the book: 'Once Madeliene has been found the fund will be used to assist searches for other missing children worldwide.'

So the fund will apparently help the parents of children who have gone missing only once 'Madeleine is found' and not a moment before.

Hmmm.

Which presumably means that if Madeleine is never found, then the fund will never benefit any other child.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 12, 2014, 02:03:58 PM
Which presumably means that if Madeleine is never found, then the fund will never benefit any other child.

I observed to another poster without the "brawlroom"; with this lot it is mostly a case of RTFSPS; loosely translates as Read The Flipping Small Print Sucker. Down the pub with the boys I wouldn't say flipping!. But with the fund being a limited company the directors can do pretty much what they like with the money provided they don't breach the Companies Act. But where are you told that? I think a lot of misdirection goes on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 12, 2014, 02:13:34 PM

Your understanding of my position? pray tell O Wisest of Pelicans lets all have a laugh.
 
So how many hours has it taken you to come up with a response to my post?...around 20...humour is meant to be spontaneous and loses something in the wait.  I don't  wish or need to say anything...you will reveal all in time. you do seem rather interested in the Hogg case having tried to introduce it into discussion several times
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 12, 2014, 02:28:41 PM
 
So how many hours has it taken you to come up with a response to my post?...around 20...humour is meant to be spontaneous and loses something in the wait.  I don't  wish or need to say anything...you will reveal all in time. you do seem rather interested in the Hogg case having tried to introduce it into discussion several times

Jeez boy you really do like the sound of your own keyboard.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 12, 2014, 02:31:39 PM
 
So how many hours has it taken you to come up with a response to my post?...around 20...humour is meant to be spontaneous and loses something in the wait.  I don't  wish or need to say anything...you will reveal all in time. you do seem rather interested in the Hogg case having tried to introduce it into discussion several times

Yet again, your overinflated ego.

If a poster replies to you, it is up to them when and if they do so. Not to you.

Try and learn that very simple lesson. It's called humility.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on January 12, 2014, 02:44:14 PM
The last I read in the press about this case (the Daily Mail - hmmm, hardly the gospel truth) is that the police are following up leads that Madeleine's 'abduction' was by burglers. This presumably is supposed to link in with a spate of break-ins around the area.

Well - this one is quite priceless. It is probably even more implausible (if that is possible) than the abduction by a paedophile ring.

Just think about it. A petty thief decides to enter an apartment (no sign of a break in so apartment presumably unlocked, if we are to believe the bungled burglar theory). A cursory glance around reveals three young children in the apartment. Now what would any burglar worth his salt do in this particular situation?

Answers please, posters!

Would he/she/they:

1. Check that the children were asleep and if they were make off with any valuables as quickly as possible?

2. Find that one or more of the children were awake (unlikely if not impossible for it to be the twins as they were sleeping as if drugged as evidenced by not waking up even after the alarm was raised and merry hell was breaking out yet still they did not rouse - astonishing, really). Assuming Madeleine woke up ( if we are to believe the bungled burglary theory) what would your average petty thief do? Are we really expected to believe that he, she or they thought: 'oh, bloody hell, a child has woken up - never mind the loot, we better grab the 4 year old in case she blows the whistle'. What are the statistics on burglars who have tried to burgle a house where a  child has woken up, and decided to take the child?

3. Enter the apartment, find that there were children in there, one of whom was (allegedly) disturbed and think: 'this isn't worth it' and flee.

4. Enter an apartment, find that a child is awake, hide their faces and flee with whatever valuables they have managed to grab.

I presume the McCann's media 'experts' are spinning away but the bungled burglary theory is about as ridiculous as you can get. In fact, so silly is the theory that I found myself once again looking at Kate McCann's appalling book 'Madeleine'. The more I read about this very sad case, the more ludicrous Kate McCann's ramblings become.

Take a look at page 325/326 if you can stomach it. Apparently the receptionist is to blame (along with everyone else apart from the McCanns of course) as she wrote in the message book that they (the parents presumably) were leaving the children alone in the apartment.

This, apparently, was a 'green light' to a child taker.

.....err.....so why leave the children alone, if it were a 'green light'.......where is the logic?!

Then Kate goes on to reveal how 'night after night I read of depraved individuals.......of the horrific crimes they'd committed.....the police went to visit some of them.......'so many child molesters' .......'honest to God (there is God again!) when your child has been stolen surely you are entitled to expect more than this'......

Once again, I am struck by Kate's tone of self-righteous indignation. And, once again, we have that sense of entitlement.

She goes on to write how people can be completely wrong in their recall..........yes indeed.....some more than others it would seem.

Read this sentence carefully on page 326: 'One of the reasons I was so staggered when we were made arguidos was that I knew there was nothing to implication us'.

Well......even if we are to believe that the Portugese police force were completely inept (which I do not) it is still a very strange choice of words from a mother whose child has supposedly been snatched from her bed.

Despite Kate's assertations, there is the simple fact that there is absolutely no evidence (to use Gerry's phrase although not in this context) that Madeleine was abducted or stolen from her bed that night by an unknown person. None whatsoever.

The crucial witnesses are the last people who saw Madeleine - either alive or dead.

Some good points j. rob.  There has to be a reason why the burglar theory is being given such exposure.  Maybe another attempt to divert attention from the real issue?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on January 12, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
Why would she write such a thing? What was the reason for this? And when did she write it?

Well, I cannot answer those questions as I am not Kate McCann. Only she knows why she wrote such a thing.

This is what she wrote on page 325:

"It was here I found the receptionist's note in the Ocean Club staff message book explaining that we wanted to book the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week because we were leaving our children alone in the apartments. I was dismayed. This was a glaring green light to a child-taker - and yet no mention is made of it in the files until December 2007........seven months' after Madeleine's abduction! I can only conclude that its relevance had not been appreciated by the police."

Once again we have evidence, as if we need any more, that the McCann's simply cannot take responsibility for their actions. They chose to leave the children alone in an apartment every night However it's not their fault that their daughter was (they allege) snatched from her bed by a stranger. It is the fault of the receptionist who really should have known better than to spell out to the alleged child-snatcher that there were three tasty little children waiting to be abducted in the McCann's apartment.

No mention was made of this until December writes Kate, as though this was the most terrible blunder ever.

Or, perhaps  the police did not mention it because they did not think that the receptionist's note was relevant to the enquiry.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 03:18:42 PM
Well, I cannot answer those questions as I am not Kate McCann. Only she knows why she wrote such a thing.

This is what she wrote on page 325:

"It was here I found the receptionist's note in the Ocean Club staff message book explaining that we wanted to book the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week because we were leaving our children alone in the apartments. I was dismayed. This was a glaring green light to a child-taker - and yet no mention is made of it in the files until December 2007........seven months' after Madeleine's abduction! I can only conclude that its relevance had not been appreciated by the police."



Once again we have evidence, as if we need any more, that the McCann's simply cannot take responsibility for their actions. They chose to leave the children alone in an apartment every night However it's not their fault that their daughter was (they allege) snatched from her bed by a stranger. It is the fault of the receptionist who really should have known better than to spell out to the alleged child-snatcher that there were three tasty little children waiting to be abducted in the McCann's apartment.

No mention was made of this until December writes Kate, as though this was the most terrible blunder ever.

Or, perhaps  the police did not mention it because they did not think that the receptionist's note was relevant to the enquiry.
Did they really say that at the time. or is a revision of events ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 03:20:20 PM
Well, I cannot answer those questions as I am not Kate McCann. Only she knows why she wrote such a thing.

This is what she wrote on page 325:

"It was here I found the receptionist's note in the Ocean Club staff message book explaining that we wanted to book the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week because we were leaving our children alone in the apartments. I was dismayed. This was a glaring green light to a child-taker - and yet no mention is made of it in the files until December 2007........seven months' after Madeleine's abduction! I can only conclude that its relevance had not been appreciated by the police."

Once again we have evidence, as if we need any more, that the McCann's simply cannot take responsibility for their actions. They chose to leave the children alone in an apartment every night However it's not their fault that their daughter was (they allege) snatched from her bed by a stranger. It is the fault of the receptionist who really should have known better than to spell out to the alleged child-snatcher that there were three tasty little children waiting to be abducted in the McCann's apartment.

No mention was made of this until December writes Kate, as though this was the most terrible blunder ever.

Or, perhaps  the police did not mention it because they did not think that the receptionist's note was relevant to the enquiry.

Is the reception note included in the PJ files?  I don't recall seeing it there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 12, 2014, 05:17:19 PM
Did they really say that at the time. or is a revision of events ?

They said it at the time


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TAPAS_BOOKING.htm

See right at the bottom extract from KMs book

And receptionist statement, reason given at the time by the tall man making the booking, see paragraph 8 or so

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUISA_COUTINHO.htm

No one has been able to fnd it in the files which means it is hiding somewhere obscure or the Mccanns had additional files in their copy?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 12, 2014, 05:20:30 PM
No front page stories today, but a piece tucked inside the Star...police poised to arrest 3


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21680.html?sid=ac14f739bc698c5df101d92d6267ec92
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on January 12, 2014, 05:27:40 PM
No front page stories today, but a piece tucked inside the Star...police poised to arrest 3


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21680.html?sid=ac14f739bc698c5df101d92d6267ec92

OLD NEWS 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 05:33:04 PM
No front page stories today, but a piece tucked inside the Star...police poised to arrest 3


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21680.html?sid=ac14f739bc698c5df101d92d6267ec92

These articles are clearly designed by you know who. There's never any mention of the legalities of this request - Portuguese police just can't go around arresting people. They can request people attend interviews, and that's it - unless substantial evidence existed, and if it did they wouldn't be giving these blokes prior notice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 05:43:36 PM
No front page stories today, but a piece tucked inside the Star...police poised to arrest 3


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21680.html?sid=ac14f739bc698c5df101d92d6267ec92

Maddie police set to arrest 3.

by Tracey Kandohla
Daily Star
January 12th 2014

Scotland Yard are poised to arrest 3 three key suspects in the hunt for Madeleine McCann if Portuguese police give them the go ahead.

Maddie's parents Kate & Gerry of Rothley, Leics, were yesterday said to be "very pleased" that police could be on the brink of a breakthrough.

Met officers have established a gang of burglars were operating in Praia da Luz when Maddie then 3 was snatched in the resort in May 2007.

They have now asked for help from the Portuguese authorities with the Crown Prosecution Service sending a formal letter on their behalf, seeking assistance.

The McCanns spokesman Clarence Mitchell said; "Kate & Gerry remain very pleased with the work Scotland Yard continue to do in the search for Madeleine"

Analysis of mobile phone activity shows three men made numerous calls to each other in the hours after Maddie vanished from her family's holiday flat.

A source close to the McCanns said; "This is a significant development."

"It means the police have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y, Z"

"we don't know who they have their sights on but it's likeley it is the burglars who had  been operating in the area"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 05:47:26 PM


"It means the police have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y, Z"

And if wasn't them what did it then it must have been A, B, C, D......

I reckon it was Q myself,  I've always thought there was something sinister about that letter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 12, 2014, 05:50:05 PM

"It means the police have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y, Z"

And if wasn't them what did it then it must have been A, B, C, D......

I reckon it was Q myself,  I've always thought there was something sinister about that letter.

Wasn't he the one in James Bond?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 05:51:45 PM
Wasn't he the one in James Bond?

Yes, it was him and M what did it.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 12, 2014, 05:56:50 PM

"It means the police have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y, Z"

And if wasn't them what did it then it must have been A, B, C, D......

I reckon it was Q myself,  I've always thought there was something sinister about that letter.

This is a timely heads-up to X,Y, and Z  though 

Still enough time for them to do a runner now that they have kindly been warned they are  'about to be arrested'

Why is Clarence Mitchell and an un-named  'source close to the McCanns'  speaking to the press about such delicate operation police matters  ?  ...  to what purpose  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 12, 2014, 06:01:33 PM
These articles are clearly designed by you know who. There's never any mention of the legalities of this request - Portuguese police just can't go around arresting people. They can request people attend interviews, and that's it - unless substantial evidence existed, and if it did they wouldn't be giving these blokes prior notice.

It makes little sense....what are they going to arrest them for? making too many phone calls? Plotting a robbery? Raiding flat 5a?

You're right, they would need some kind of strong evidence


Thanks WS for the copy text

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 12, 2014, 06:11:57 PM
Maddie police set to arrest 3.

by Tracey Kandohla
Daily Star
January 12th 2014

Scotland Yard are poised to arrest 3 three key suspects in the hunt for Madeleine McCann if Portuguese police give them the go ahead.

Maddie's parents Kate & Gerry of Rothley, Leics, were yesterday said to be "very pleased" that police could be on the brink of a breakthrough.

Met officers have established a gang of burglars were operating in Praia da Luz when Maddie then 3 was snatched in the resort in May 2007.

They have now asked for help from the Portuguese authorities with the Crown Prosecution Service sending a formal letter on their behalf, seeking assistance.

The McCanns spokesman Clarence Mitchell said; "Kate & Gerry remain very pleased with the work Scotland Yard continue to do in the search for Madeleine"

Analysis of mobile phone activity shows three men made numerous calls to each other in the hours after Maddie vanished from her family's holiday flat.

A source close to the McCanns said; "This is a significant development."

"It means the police have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y, Z"

"we don't know who they have their sights on but it's likeley it is the burglars who had  been operating in the area"

There you have it.  It is Clarence Mitchell who is pushing this detritus to all and sundry.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 06:23:47 PM
There you have it.  It is Clarence Mitchell who is pushing this detritus to all and sundry.

Well, I'm absolutely amazed, who'd have thought it   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 12, 2014, 06:35:04 PM
There you have it.  It is Clarence Mitchell who is pushing this detritus to all and sundry.

Is it possible,  do you think,  that Clarence Mitchell gives  'official'  quotes in his own name,  then adds 'unofficial'  and unattributable  quotes as  a source close to    ? 

In reality is it  ALL  coming from him  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 06:40:09 PM
Just call him Mr Leak 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
The family have been shut up long ago, so its almost certain that Mitchell is the only provider of McCann propaganda
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on January 12, 2014, 06:43:07 PM
Is it possible,  do you think,  that Clarence Mitchell gives  'official'  quotes in his own name,  then adds 'unofficial'  and unattributable  quotes as  a source close to    ? 

In reality is it  ALL  coming from him  ?

It all comes from him. He provides news agencies with the copy and papers print it verbatim (if they think it's worth printing). He is almost the only source of news re. Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 12, 2014, 06:43:20 PM
Just call him Mr Leak 8)-)))

But why does he do it  ?

In what way can leaking information to the press about the on-going police investigation possibily be in Madeleine's interests  ?   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 06:45:25 PM
Could it be an attempt to create rifts between SY anf PJ ? Or just to create the impression that progress is being made ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on January 12, 2014, 06:47:05 PM
But why does he do it  ?

In what way can leaking information to the press about the on-going police investigation possibily be in Madeleine's interests  ?

There are two purposes I believe:

(1) to keep Maddie's name in the news;
(2) to continually blame other people for what happened e.g, burglars, paedos, Germans, bungling police,etc.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 06:48:38 PM
It makes little sense....what are they going to arrest them for? making too many phone calls? Plotting a robbery? Raiding flat 5a?

Being spotty? >@@(*&)

Not looking like tourists?

Walking without due care and attention, wearing loud shirts in a built up area, whistling infectious songs ...

Some other possibilities 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 12, 2014, 06:51:44 PM
Could it be an attempt to create rifts between SY anf PJ ? Or just to create the impression that progress is being made ?

How would that be in Madeleine's best interests though  ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 06:55:47 PM
How would that be in Madeleine's best interests though  ?

Well, it wouldn't, would it, but Mitchell doesn't work for Madeleine. and may well have some agenda of which  we are unaware.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 06:57:14 PM
But why does he do it  ?

In what way can leaking information to the press about the on-going police investigation possibily be in Madeleine's interests  ?

Madeleine McCann: Bungling police had 'prime suspect' details for SIX YEARS without realising

 Daily Mirror

By Tom Pettifor | 28 Dec 2013 00:00

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/portuguese-police-ignored-tip-off-about-abductor-326072


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 12, 2014, 07:01:28 PM
Well, it wouldn't, would it, but Mitchell doesn't work for Madeleine. and may well have some agenda of which  we are unaware.

That's quite a disturbing thought 

It really makes no sense for Mitchell to be leaking operational details of the ongoing police investigation to the press  ...   not  if Madeleine's best interests were what matters most
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 12, 2014, 07:04:06 PM
There are two purposes I believe:

(1) to keep Maddie's name in the news;
(2) to continually blame other people for what happened e.g, burglars, paedos, Germans, bungling police,etc.

(3) £70K PA
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 12, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
But why does he do it  ?

In what way can leaking information to the press about the on-going police investigation possibily be in Madeleine's interests  ?

It's the Daily Star fgs.   Just old re-hashed news worded to make the reader think it's the latest 'news'.

Also carefully worded to make it seem as if quotes have been obtained from certain  people when it's obvious they haven't.

The quotes attributed to the McCanns and CM are old quotes - and don't tell us anything we didn't already know.

No-one close to the McCanns would give a newspaper reporter the the time of day - and if CM has anything to say he puts his name to it.
IMO 




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 07:10:13 PM
But why does he do it  ?

In what way can leaking information to the press about the on-going police investigation possibily be in Madeleine's interests  ?

It keeps himself in the news? That might be one motive.

But I think the police themselves possibly want to be seen to be doing something, to justify the money they've spent.

Maybe we shouldn't blame CM for everything >@@(*&)

Doubtless the likes of Kandohla and Jerry Lawton are regularly hassling him for news, and they'll have other sources too. He probably has to speak to them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 07:13:18 PM
No-one close to the McCanns would give a newspaper reporter the the time of day

They certainly would have in the days before and after Crimewatch, Benice.

And every other major media/pr moment - like the Hacked Off campaign, Missing People events (Everton etc.), marathons, Lorraine Kelly interviews, visits to Lisbon etc.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 07:17:33 PM
That's just a quick list btw 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on January 12, 2014, 07:22:55 PM
But Clarence Mitchell is not trying to help find Madeleine. He is there to spin media stories, confuse, obfuscate and fill newspapers with nonsense, in my opinion of course. As Gerry himself said at one stage it's good that no-one know what's true and what isn't.

Indeed I suppose it would be if you had a certain agenda.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 12, 2014, 07:39:06 PM
(3) £70K PA
Just raising dust. After Mr Redwood blew Tannerman out of the water (only six years after PJ decided it wasn't reliable) the kingpin was gorn.  Oh s**t the whole lot's back in the melting pot better find another likely "paedo perp" pdq. The bit I find amazing is that we are expected to believe that PdL was stuffed to the gunwales with suitable ne'er do wells. Where there ever any bona fide holidaymakers there?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 12, 2014, 07:52:54 PM
Just raising dust. After Mr Redwood blew Tannerman out of the water (only six years after PJ decided it wasn't reliable) the kingpin was gorn.  Oh s**t the whole lot's back in the melting pot better find another likely "paedo perp" pdq. The bit I find amazing is that we are expected to believe that PdL was stuffed to the gunwales with suitable ne'er do wells. Where there ever any bona fide holidaymakers there?

Nope, just nonce's, burglars & smack addicted tractor drivers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 12, 2014, 08:23:48 PM
Is it possible,  do you think,  that Clarence Mitchell gives  'official'  quotes in his own name,  then adds 'unofficial'  and unattributable  quotes as  a source close to    ? 

In reality is it  ALL  coming from him  ?

He is the McCanns spokesperson so we know where it comes from.  Any spokesperson who doesn't tow-the-line wouldn't be in that particular job too long.  I would think he has to clear everything with his employers before saying anything to the Press.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 12, 2014, 08:33:03 PM
He is the McCanns spokesperson so we know where it comes from.

I suppose you're right,  and anything Clarence Mitchell  leaks to the press would be run past his employers  (  the McCanns  ) first

So when he briefed the press about the imminent arrest of a gang of three burglars he will have done so with the McCanns' approval   .... is that what you think John  ? 

I think I agree 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on January 12, 2014, 08:52:22 PM
Isn't it great that we have so much integrity within our UK establishment? Makes you feel proud to be British, eh??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 12, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
Being spotty? >@@(*&)

Not looking like tourists?

Walking without due care and attention, wearing loud shirts in a built up area, whistling infectious songs ...

Some other possibilities 8)--))

There is nothing whatsoever to connect any third party to a crime relating to Madeleine so even if someone was suspected of involvement, short of a full confession or the discovery of remains, I fear there is nothing on which to build a case. 

You could always resort to torture.   8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 12, 2014, 09:10:21 PM
(3) £70K PA

Nearly as much as an MP but if he is successful in gaining the Brighton Pavilion seat for Cameron and the Tories next time round he could be on £74,000 in 2015.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 12, 2014, 09:30:15 PM
Nope, just nonce's, burglars & smack addicted tractor drivers.

I'm surprised anyone goes near Praia da Luz any more given the bad Press unless of course you are one of the aforementioned persons looking for another Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 12, 2014, 09:40:37 PM
There is nothing whatsoever to connect any third party to a crime relating to Madeleine so even if someone was suspected of involvement, short of a full confession or the discovery of remains, I fear there is nothing on which to build a case. 

You could always resort to torture.   8)-)))

I very much doubt that there will ever be a confession from anyone, even if remains of Madeleine are found
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 12, 2014, 11:48:48 PM
It looks like they are all jumping on the band wagon now which is more or less to be expected.  Remember that this is activity after the disappearance when many local people were out searching and mobile phone activity was at its highest.  Are we now going to see every petty thief with a criminal record who went out to search for Madeleine that night targeted just as others have been?

Why on earth would a credible police force alert potential suspects of their imminent arrest and especially so when two of them are reported to not even live in Portugal?

There is a serious amount of disinformation being put about at the minute, could it be just coincidence that the libel trial is coming to an end?

(http://i.imgur.com/YLHEusw.jpg)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 12, 2014, 11:56:58 PM
Jim Royle has something to say about that 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 13, 2014, 12:37:14 AM
If it is just an attempt to justify costs, it's a terrible tease for the McCanns.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 13, 2014, 12:43:56 AM
If it is just an attempt to justify costs, it's a terrible tease for the McCanns.

What are you talking about Sherlock  ?

This story has not come from the police  as far as I can see

All quotes and  'sources'  mentioned come directly from the McCann camp itself   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 13, 2014, 01:02:16 AM
What are you talking about Sherlock  ?

This story has not come from the police  as far as I can see

All quotes and  'sources'  mentioned come directly from the McCann camp itself

I was actually going to make reference to that  in my post!

I just can't reconcile the idea that, if what John is saying is correct - that these headlines and the arrests they describe are an attempt to justify the monies being spent on this case - with the fact that the McCanns' feelings are being toyed with in the process.

So these events and their coverage don't represent a real breakthrough of any kind - they are they really a scam formulated by Clarence Mitchell. 

Why would he scam us - if indeed he has the power to formulate a scam which involves sending SY to Portugal and attempting to have Portuguese authorities to co-operate - and have the McCanns sit and watch fake progress being made in the case?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 13, 2014, 01:15:04 AM
I was actually going to make reference to that  in my post!

I just can't reconcile the idea that, if what John is saying is correct - that these headlines and the arrests they describe are an attempt to justify the monies being spent on this case - with the fact that the McCanns' feelings are being toyed with in the process.

So these events and their coverage don't represent a real breakthrough of any kind - they are they really a scam formulated by Clarence Mitchell. 

Why would he scam us - if indeed he has the power to formulate a scam which involves sending SY to Portugal and attempting to have Portuguese authorities to co-operate - and have the McCanns sit and watch fake progress being made in the case?

The CPS must have sent the letter requesting assistance, or must be about to. I don't think anyone would invent that claim. But they might be exaggerating its importance.

This Mirror story tonight is just a repeat of the Mail's story on January 3rd.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 13, 2014, 01:19:41 AM
I was actually going to make reference to that  in my post!

I just can't reconcile the idea that, if what John is saying is correct - that these headlines and the arrests they describe are an attempt to justify the monies being spent on this case - with the fact that the McCanns' feelings are being toyed with in the process.

So these events and their coverage don't represent a real breakthrough of any kind - they are they really a scam formulated by Clarence Mitchell. 

Why would he scam us - if indeed he has the power to formulate a scam which involves sending SY to Portugal and attempting to have Portuguese authorities to co-operate - and have the McCanns sit and watch fake progress being made in the case?

Scam us  ?   

I don't think we're being  scammed  ...   but there is certainly a possibility that we are being mislead

How many of these stories have we been fed in recent months  ?  ...  dead heroin addict tractor driver,  child stealing  gypsies,  rogue  'cleaners',  and now,  burglars turned child snatcher

You see,  whilst we are given an endless parade of increasingly grotesque suspects we are constantly  'reminded' that the culprit  ...  the perpetrator  ...  the  abductor  is  'out there'   somewhere,  and we don't  stop to wonder,  "hang on,  if there  is  no real suspect,  perhaps the Portuguese were right all along,  and there  was  no abduction"

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 13, 2014, 01:25:40 AM
The CPS must have sent the letter requesting assistance, or must be about to. I don't think anyone would invent that claim. But they might be exaggerating its importance.

This Mirror story tonight is just a repeat of the Mail's story on January 3rd.

Exactly - too much power is being attributed to CM. Of course I could be being very naive again....

The CPS require more Portuguese co-operation in this case regardless of burglars or whatever else happens to be the news story of the moment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 13, 2014, 01:43:15 AM
Scam us  ?   

I don't think we're being  scammed  ...   but there is certainly a possibility that we are being mislead

How many of these stories have we been fed in recent months  ?  ...  dead heroin addict tractor driver,  child stealing  gypsies,  rogue  'cleaners',  and now,  burglars turned child snatcher

You see,  whilst we are given an endless parade of increasingly grotesque suspects we are constantly  'reminded' that the culprit  ...  the perpetrator  ...  the  abductor  is  'out there'   somewhere,  and we don't  stop to wonder,  "hang on,  if there  is  no real suspect,  perhaps the Portuguese were right all along,  and there  was  no abduction"

I understand the theory, icabod, but you'd have to show that all these stories came from Clarence Mitchell.

Tractorman, as far as I understand, was under suspicion in Portugal, and was the purported reason for the re-opening of the case there (find that hard to believe, but that was what was claimed at the time). And if CM was going to cook something up, why come up with such a ridiculous story as that? Risible.

Gypsies - there does seem to have been a spate of gypsies stealing children, in various European countries. Not an old wives tale, it appears. Was Clarence Mitchell responsible for that?

Rogue cleaners - not sure who started that one, thought the two Scots killers currently in jail who had some kind of cleaning service are not, unfortunately, a figment of CM's imagination.

Burglars - seems a bit far fetched to me, but SY must have some reason for flying out there to arrest people. It's not a police state we're living in - can't just arrest people for nothing.

Though you're going to tell me how naive I am and that it happens all the time...



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 13, 2014, 01:55:24 AM
I understand the theory, icabod, but you'd have to show that all these stories came from Clarence Mitchell.

Tractorman, as far as I understand, was under suspicion in Portugal, and was the purported reason for the re-opening of the case there (find that hard to believe, but that was what was claimed at the time). And if CM was going to cook something up, why come up with such a ridiculous story as that? Risible.

Gypsies - there does seem to have been a spate of gypsies stealing children, in various European countries. Not an old wives tale, it appears. Was Clarence Mitchell responsible for that?

Rogue cleaners - not sure who started that one, thought the two Scots killers currently in jail who had some kind of cleaning service are not, unfortunately, a figment of CM's imagination.

Burglars - seems a bit far fetched to me, but SY must have some reason for flying out there to arrest people. It's not a police state we're living in - can't just arrest people for nothing.

Though you're going to tell me how naive I am and that it happens all the time...

I don't think you are naive at all

...  conversly I  don' think  there is anything  cynical  about considering  the likelihood that Clarence Mitchell is behind the endless  'latest police suspect'  stories 

It is a valid and logical supposition,  I think 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 13, 2014, 02:01:43 AM
Exactly - too much power is being attributed to CM. Of course I could be being very naive again....

The CPS require more Portuguese co-operation in this case regardless of burglars or whatever else happens to be the news story of the moment.

I think SH his influence is more revealed now by what the papers don't print rather than in what they do. Most obviously by how quickly the papers dropped the Sunday Times efits story, and also in the damage limitation after Crimewatch (there was more spin in papers the day after that than in Campbell's dodgy dossier). Then within days the papers dropped Scotland Yard's new prime suspects (the Crimewatch efits) and haven't mentioned them once since.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 13, 2014, 02:04:16 AM
There's also the coverage of the libel trial, which is entirely favourable. And if they lose the case you'll see how it will still be spun into favourable coverage.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 13, 2014, 02:21:16 AM
There's also the coverage of the libel trial, which is entirely favourable. And if they lose the case you'll see how it will still be spun into favourable coverage.

I'm not suggesting there's no spin.

Merely that the powers being attributed to CM by some seem to be unrealistically great.

He can put a spin on what SY do, but he is not directing them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 13, 2014, 02:29:59 AM
I'm not suggesting there's no spin.

Merely that the powers being attributed to CM by some seem to be unrealistically great.

He can put a spin on what SY do, but he is not directing them.

Mitchell was a government spin-doctor 

Saying his ability to manipulate press coverage is being overestimated is akin to saying Peter Mandleson was a pussycat who got his way  by doing nothing more than  'asking politely'

No-one has suggested that Mitchell is  'directing'   Scotland Yard  ... it's his  'direction'  of the press and media that is being questioned
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 13, 2014, 06:07:00 AM
Just raising dust. After Mr Redwood blew Tannerman out of the water (only six years after PJ decided it wasn't reliable) the kingpin was gorn.  Oh s**t the whole lot's back in the melting pot better find another likely "paedo perp" pdq. The bit I find amazing is that we are expected to believe that PdL was stuffed to the gunwales with suitable ne'er do wells. Where there ever any bona fide holidaymakers there?

Well its one thing confuses me lol. IF you read the PJ files, the only people walking about were Tapas group, and wilkins.....oh yeh and one creepy perb.

Where were all the other people, the holiday makers?

Carol Tranmer in her statement said she looked across to OC and saw lots of people chatting and enjoying themselves....

but no one walking anywhere lol....all very odd.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 13, 2014, 06:20:24 AM
Well, I cannot answer those questions as I am not Kate McCann. Only she knows why she wrote such a thing.

This is what she wrote on page 325:

"It was here I found the receptionist's note in the Ocean Club staff message book explaining that we wanted to book the Tapas restaurant for the rest of the week because we were leaving our children alone in the
apartments. I was dismayed. This was a glaring green light to a child-taker - and yet no mention is made of it in the files until December 2007........seven months' after Madeleine's abduction! I can only conclude that its relevance had not been appreciated by the police."

Once again we have evidence, as if we need any more, that the McCann's simply cannot take responsibility for their actions. They chose to leave the children alone in an apartment every night However it's not their fault that their daughter was (they allege) snatched from her bed by a stranger. It is the fault of the receptionist who really should have known better than to spell out to the alleged child-snatcher that there were three tasty little children waiting to be abducted in the McCann's apartment.

No mention was made of this until December writes Kate, as though this was the most terrible blunder ever.

Or, perhaps  the police did not mention it because they did not think that the receptionist's note was relevant to the enquiry.

Ah i mis read what you wrote. I thought Kate wrote it in the receptionist book.

TO BE fair to Mrs McCann I would have been a bit miffed too, there was no reason to write that in an open book. People do talk dont they and things can get spread around. I find it an odd thing to put in the reception book it was irrelevant to do so.

And also to be honest I think if I was Warner management i would have advised against this practice of leaving children alone. I believe they did not offer the baby listening service simply because they could not guarantee child's safety as apartments were private and accessible to all and sundry. Did they not have a holiday meeting at the beginning of the holidays?

When I have been on holiday you all meet in one place and have a free drink and the holiday rep, goes through all the dos and donts of the area. I would have thought this would have been mentioned and also if there were so many burglaries in the area, wouldn't they have also advised people of this and told them to lock up their valuables? All seems a bit relaxed to me.

IF it was an abduction I feel strongly it was an inside job. Someone knew what was going on, and had access to the front door.

Sure of it. This person also would not be a stranger to the child.

I just have a gut feeling about it, always have had. I believe she knew who took her and that is why there was no fuss.

It really would be for me an inside job, not a stranger or off chance.

IF she was abducted.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 13, 2014, 06:39:43 AM
I understand the theory, icabod, but you'd have to show that all these stories came from Clarence Mitchell.

Tractorman, as far as I understand, was under suspicion in Portugal, and was the purported reason for the re-opening of the case there (find that hard to believe, but that was what was claimed at the time). And if CM was going to cook something up, why come up with such a ridiculous story as that? Risible.

Gypsies - there does seem to have been a spate of gypsies stealing children, in various European countries. Not an old wives tale, it appears. Was Clarence Mitchell responsible for that?

Rogue cleaners - not sure who started that one, thought the two Scots killers currently in jail who had some kind of cleaning service are not, unfortunately, a figment of CM's imagination.

Burglars - seems a bit far fetched to me, but SY must have some reason for flying out there to arrest people. It's not a police state we're living in - can't just arrest people for nothing.

Though you're going to tell me how naive I am and that it happens all the time...

What I find astonishing is IF the great Scotland Yard had the names of 3 people who had taken the child, wouldnt they be giving this information to the Portugese police to go and arrest them. I am just living in an exasperated twilight zone here to think that there could be 3 men who are KNOWN to have taken the child in a bungled burglary and everyone is talking about them lol...

I mean hello there is the INTERNET, its EVERYWHERE.

WARNING WARNING WARNING, if you are one of the 3 bungling burglars on the 3rd May who went into flat 5A of PDL and took the child, then run like hell as the great SCOTLAND YARD have got shiny new bracelets for you...I mean are we really supposed to believe this rubbish....(grabs my packet of Rennies, and quickly checks my blood-pressure AGAIN).

I just feel like throwing my hands up in the end and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH. This is getting silly now.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 13, 2014, 07:35:53 AM
Ah i mis read what you wrote. I thought Kate wrote it in the receptionist book.

TO BE fair to Mrs McCann I would have been a bit miffed too, there was no reason to write that in an open book. People do talk dont they and things can get spread around. I find it an odd thing to put in the reception book it was irrelevant to do so.

And also to be honest I think if I was Warner management i would have advised against this practice of leaving children alone. I believe they did not offer the baby listening service simply because they could not guarantee child's safety as apartments were private and accessible to all and sundry. Did they not have a holiday meeting at the beginning of the holidays?

When I have been on holiday you all meet in one place and have a free drink and the holiday rep, goes through all the dos and donts of the area. I would have thought this would have been mentioned and also if there were so many burglaries in the area, wouldn't they have also advised people of this and told them to lock up their valuables? All seems a bit relaxed to me.

IF it was an abduction I feel strongly it was an inside job. Someone knew what was going on, and had access to the front door.

Sure of it. This person also would not be a stranger to the child.

I just have a gut feeling about it, always have had. I believe she knew who took her and that is why there was no fuss.

It really would be for me an inside job, not a stranger or off chance.

IF she was abducted.

There was a free crèche available at night and also a childminding service for £10 (that should be euro, but my keyboard doesn't have a euro sign).

They had other choices than to leave the children alone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 13, 2014, 07:43:52 AM
What I find astonishing is IF the great Scotland Yard had the names of 3 people who had taken the child, wouldnt they be giving this information to the Portugese police to go and arrest them. I am just living in an exasperated twilight zone here to think that there could be 3 men who are KNOWN to have taken the child in a bungled burglary and everyone is talking about them lol...

I mean hello there is the INTERNET, its EVERYWHERE.

WARNING WARNING WARNING, if you are one of the 3 bungling burglars on the 3rd May who went into flat 5A of PDL and took the child, then run like hell as the great SCOTLAND YARD have got shiny new bracelets for you...I mean are we really supposed to believe this rubbish....(grabs my packet of Rennies, and quickly checks my blood-pressure AGAIN).

I just feel like throwing my hands up in the end and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH. This is getting silly now.

 its not as simple as you think...if this is true...SY knows there names...if they suddenly try to disappear it would be a sign of guilt..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 13, 2014, 07:46:21 AM
What are you talking about Sherlock  ?

This story has not come from the police  as far as I can see

All quotes and  'sources'  mentioned come directly from the McCann camp itself

Who says so ..the press...and of course you believe every word they say
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 13, 2014, 07:47:44 AM
its not as simple as you think...if this is true...SY knows there names...if they suddenly try to disappear it would be a sign of guilt..

 @)(++(* @)(++(*

It couldn't be a sign of guilt because they must be assumed to be innocent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 13, 2014, 07:49:40 AM
What I find astonishing is IF the great Scotland Yard had the names of 3 people who had taken the child, wouldnt they be giving this information to the Portugese police to go and arrest them. I am just living in an exasperated twilight zone here to think that there could be 3 men who are KNOWN to have taken the child in a bungled burglary and everyone is talking about them lol...

I mean hello there is the INTERNET, its EVERYWHERE.

WARNING WARNING WARNING, if you are one of the 3 bungling burglars on the 3rd May who went into flat 5A of PDL and took the child, then run like hell as the great SCOTLAND YARD have got shiny new bracelets for you...I mean are we really supposed to believe this rubbish....(grabs my packet of Rennies, and quickly checks my blood-pressure AGAIN).

I just feel like throwing my hands up in the end and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH. This is getting silly now.

Indeed. Both the newspapers ad SY are looking increasingly stupid in this case.

You do not warn suspects you are coming,
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 13, 2014, 07:51:05 AM
its not as simple as you think...if this is true...SY knows there names...if they suddenly try to disappear it would be a sign of guilt..

Oh dear. 8-)(--) @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 13, 2014, 08:03:22 AM
Madeleine McCann cops to make first arrests:
Three burglars who 'made many phone calls' after her disappearance wanted in Portugal

Daily Mirror

By David Collins | Jan 12, 2014 22:58

The Crown Prosecution Service has sent an International Letter of Request to ­Portuguese police seeking permission to arrest the trio

Arrests: Madeleine McCann

British police are poised to make the first arrests in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann.

The Met want to quiz three burglars who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort when the three-year-old vanished.

Officers were last night preparing to fly to the Algarve to make their first arrests since the force set up Operation Grange in 2011 to review the ­kidnapping.

They hope to speak to the thieves after mobile phone records showed the men made numerous calls to each other in the hours after she disappeared.

The Crown Prosecution Service has sent an International Letter of Request to ­Portuguese police seeking permission to arrest the trio.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the ­Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars.

"Whether the Portuguese will co-operate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with differences they have had.

"Police want to be given a chance to arrest key suspects. It doesn't prove they have Madeleine but it will rule them in or out of the investigation and that is i­mportant.

"Kate and Gerry don't want to build up their hopes too high but they realise it could be a significant new lead."

Days before Madeleine's disappearance from Praia da Luz in May 2007 aged three, the gang raided another holiday flat there, disturbing a child. The ­youngster's parents interrupted the burglars who fled.

An inquiry source said: ­"Portuguese police attached no ­significance to the burglary at the time. British officers regard this as an oversight."

Met Police have so far been unable to arrest the men as their Portuguese ­counterparts are reluctant to carry out a joint investigation, instead preferring to follow their own lines of inquiry.

Diplomatic discussions are going on to try to secure agreement for UK detectives to be based in Portugal. Six local officers are working with the Met’s team, making enquiries on their behalf.

The latest development follows a first International Letter of Request allowing Operation Grange to access mobile phone data.

Scotland Yard said: "We can confirm a second International Letter of Request has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services."

No formal arrests have ever been made in the hunt for Madeleine. Early on former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 45 and from Rothley, Leics, were given the status of arguido. It meant they were formal suspects but they were cleared in 2008.

British-born property consultant Robert Murat was also made an arguido but he was exonerated alongside the McCanns.

Operation Grange has 37 officers and has so far cost taxpayers £4.5million.

In October, a BBC Crimewatch special, featuring a reconstruction and an e-fit of a new prime suspect, sparked 3,500 calls and emails. Two viewers gave the same name for the man seen carrying a child.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-make-first-3016414
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on January 13, 2014, 08:06:14 AM
Burglars making phone calls must have been them
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 13, 2014, 08:08:32 AM
Madeleine McCann cops to make first arrests:
Three burglars who 'made many phone calls' after her disappearance wanted in Portugal

Daily Mirror

By David Collins | Jan 12, 2014 22:58

The Crown Prosecution Service has sent an International Letter of Request to ­Portuguese police seeking permission to arrest the trio

Arrests: Madeleine McCann

British police are poised to make the first arrests in the hunt for missing Madeleine McCann.

The Met want to quiz three burglars who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort when the three-year-old vanished.

Officers were last night preparing to fly to the Algarve to make their first arrests since the force set up Operation Grange in 2011 to review the ­kidnapping.

They hope to speak to the thieves after mobile phone records showed the men made numerous calls to each other in the hours after she disappeared.

The Crown Prosecution Service has sent an International Letter of Request to ­Portuguese police seeking permission to arrest the trio.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the ­Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars.

"Whether the Portuguese will co-operate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with differences they have had.

"Police want to be given a chance to arrest key suspects. It doesn't prove they have Madeleine but it will rule them in or out of the investigation and that is i­mportant.

"Kate and Gerry don't want to build up their hopes too high but they realise it could be a significant new lead."

Days before Madeleine's disappearance from Praia da Luz in May 2007 aged three, the gang raided another holiday flat there, disturbing a child. The ­youngster's parents interrupted the burglars who fled.

An inquiry source said: ­"Portuguese police attached no ­significance to the burglary at the time. British officers regard this as an oversight."

Met Police have so far been unable to arrest the men as their Portuguese ­counterparts are reluctant to carry out a joint investigation, instead preferring to follow their own lines of inquiry.

Diplomatic discussions are going on to try to secure agreement for UK detectives to be based in Portugal. Six local officers are working with the Met’s team, making enquiries on their behalf.

The latest development follows a first International Letter of Request allowing Operation Grange to access mobile phone data.

Scotland Yard said: "We can confirm a second International Letter of Request has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services."

No formal arrests have ever been made in the hunt for Madeleine. Early on former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 45 and from Rothley, Leics, were given the status of arguido. It meant they were formal suspects but they were cleared in 2008.

British-born property consultant Robert Murat was also made an arguido but he was exonerated alongside the McCanns.

Operation Grange has 37 officers and has so far cost taxpayers £4.5million.

In October, a BBC Crimewatch special, featuring a reconstruction and an e-fit of a new prime suspect, sparked 3,500 calls and emails. Two viewers gave the same name for the man seen carrying a child.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-make-first-3016414

 looks like a direct quite from SY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 13, 2014, 08:11:35 AM
looks like a direct quite from SY

Yes, but I notice they don't say anything about arresting people - that may be just media hype.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 13, 2014, 08:12:22 AM
Days before Madeleine’s disappearance from Praia da Luz in May 2007 aged three, the gang raided another holiday flat there, disturbing a child. The ­youngster’s parents interrupted the burglars who fled.


So all those who have said burglars would avoid an apt with children are wrong
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 13, 2014, 08:12:57 AM
looks like a direct quite from SY

Quite davel!

That quote was made about 3 days ago when...

"Police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10563621/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-requests-more-help-from-Portugal.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 13, 2014, 08:16:25 AM
Yes, but I notice they don't say anything about arresting people - that may be just media hype.

I agree but it looks like something is going on
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 13, 2014, 08:21:50 AM
I agree but it looks like something is going on

Indeed. An attempt to justify the millions of pounds spent so far.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 13, 2014, 08:23:31 AM
Indeed. An attempt to justify the millions of pounds spent so far.

 you're such a pessimist Stephen...look on the bright side they may solve the case
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 13, 2014, 08:40:25 AM
And also to be honest I think if I was Warner management i would have advised against this practice of leaving children alone. I believe they did not offer the baby listening service simply because they could not guarantee child's safety as apartments were private and accessible to all and sundry. Did they not have a holiday meeting at the beginning of the holidays?

When I have been on holiday you all meet in one place and have a free drink and the holiday rep, goes through all the dos and donts of the area. I would have thought this would have been mentioned and also if there were so many burglaries in the area, wouldn't they have also advised people of this and told them to lock up their valuables? All seems a bit relaxed to me.

IF it was an abduction I feel strongly it was an inside job. Someone knew what was going on, and had access to the front door.

Sure of it. This person also would not be a stranger to the child.

I just have a gut feeling about it, always have had. I believe she knew who took her and that is why there was no fuss.

It really would be for me an inside job, not a stranger or off chance.

IF she was abducted.

There was a welcome gathering at The Millennium Restaurant where no doubt they were all given a run down on the dos and don't but I doubt Warners would have said anything about burglars.

I have always said that the tour operator were negligent on several counts and nothing I have read lately leads me to change that position.  Little wonder they parachuted in damage limitation experts after Madeleine disappeared.  The lack of security at Ocean Club was abysmal, even the staff said so!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 13, 2014, 08:43:04 AM
you're such a pessimist Stephen...look on the bright side they may solve the case


They have no authority and any crime prosecuted would be in Portugal.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 13, 2014, 08:48:32 AM
What I find astonishing is IF the great Scotland Yard had the names of 3 people who had taken the child, wouldnt they be giving this information to the Portugese police to go and arrest them. I am just living in an exasperated twilight zone here to think that there could be 3 men who are KNOWN to have taken the child in a bungled burglary and everyone is talking about them lol...

I mean hello there is the INTERNET, its EVERYWHERE.

WARNING WARNING WARNING, if you are one of the 3 bungling burglars on the 3rd May who went into flat 5A of PDL and took the child, then run like hell as the great SCOTLAND YARD have got shiny new bracelets for you...I mean are we really supposed to believe this rubbish....(grabs my packet of Rennies, and quickly checks my blood-pressure AGAIN).

I just feel like throwing my hands up in the end and saying ENOUGH is ENOUGH. This is getting silly now.

Déjà vu?    Those of us who have been following closely know of course that we have been here before recently.  In fact there is a thread about it if you look back - Arrests imminent!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 13, 2014, 08:55:29 AM
Indeed. Both the newspapers ad SY are looking increasingly stupid in this case.

You do not warn suspects you are coming,

Exactly Stephen.  I have  feeling SY are becoming increasingly frustrated by the interference in this investigation.  It seems to be fast becoming a case of let's shake the tree and see who falls out.  The blame game?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 13, 2014, 08:58:59 AM
Yes, but I notice they don't say anything about arresting people - that may be just media hype.

Remembering of course that SY are merely guests in Portugal and cannot arrest anyone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on January 13, 2014, 09:35:21 AM
There was a welcome gathering at The Millennium Restaurant where no doubt they were all given a run down on the dos and don't but I doubt Warners would have said anything about burglars.

I have always said that the tour operator were negligent on several counts and nothing I have read lately leads me to change that position.  Little wonder they parachuted in damage limitation experts after Madeleine disappeared.  The lack of security at Ocean Club was abysmal, even the staff said so!

I agree John.   It was clear from what the British Consul said that tour operators knew about burglaries and also about the British children who had been assaulted in their apartments - but chose not to publicise those facts.

Even a small hint at the Welcome Meeting to make sure folk didn't leave their apartments unlocked - saying that there had been - even just ONE recent burglary attempt could have made all the difference to the mindset of the McCanns.

I've always thought that 'guilt' was one of the reasons why the tour operators appeared to bend over backwards to give assistance to the McCanns.

The decision  not to publicise these crimes should have gone hand in hand with a decision to provide extra surveillance/security.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 13, 2014, 09:45:47 AM
Remembering of course that SY are merely guests in Portugal and cannot arrest anyone.

That is a fair comment.
Britain has fairly draconian laws, whereby someone can be arrested and have DNA/fingerprints taken on the flimsiest of suspicions, whereas most European countries can only arrest as a final process.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 13, 2014, 10:41:54 AM
What about the scooter snatcher, are we about to see him arrested too?

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3011.msg106807#msg106807
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 13, 2014, 10:52:01 AM
THIS MORNING, T.V.

They spoke about this on the news headlines and the guy said its simply a request to ask any burglars in the area to come in  under caution and see if they knew anything that was going on. Almost like am amnesty, nothing to do with arresting anyone for the child being abducted...

You can catchup  on it tomorrow i expect on itVPLAYER.

https://www.itv.com/itvplayer/this-morning
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 13, 2014, 11:02:00 AM
Quite davel!

That quote was made about 3 days ago when...

"Police refused to give any details about the nature of the assistance being sought."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10563621/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-requests-more-help-from-Portugal.html

IMO it is all the media 'guessing' at the moment..they don't have any facts
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 13, 2014, 11:19:27 AM
Scam us  ?   

I don't think we're being  scammed  ...   but there is certainly a possibility that we are being mislead

How many of these stories have we been fed in recent months  ?  ...  dead heroin addict tractor driver,  child stealing  gypsies,  rogue  'cleaners',  and now,  burglars turned child snatcher

You see,  whilst we are given an endless parade of increasingly grotesque suspects we are constantly  'reminded' that the culprit  ...  the perpetrator  ...  the  abductor  is  'out there'   somewhere,  and we don't  stop to wonder,  "hang on,  if there  is  no real suspect,  perhaps the Portuguese were right all along,  and there  was  no abduction"


I am with you on this Ichabod. With no credible abductor..............?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 13, 2014, 12:04:26 PM

Madeleine: Police identify burglars as prime suspects after phone calls clue.

THREE burglars have been identified by Scotland Yard as potential major suspects in the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

Daily Express

By: John Twomey
Published: Mon, January 13, 2014

Detectives in London are understood to have urged the Portuguese authorities to track down the men and detain them.

The Yard is believed to have appealed for the thieves to be arrested in an international letter of request sent to Lisbon last week.

In what could be a breakthrough in the inquiry, detectives focused on the three men after a painstaking trawl through mobile phone records.

It is understood there was significant phone traffic between them around the time three-year-old Madeleine vanished from the McCanns’ holiday home in the Algarve in May 2007.

One theory is that the burglars raided the apartment in Praia da Luz and were panicked into snatching the little girl when she woke up and started crying.

The Yard cannot discount the possibility the men are not linked to Madeleine's disappearance but it is vital they are "traced, interviewed and eliminated" as an important step in the inquiry.

Burglars were active in the area in the days before Madeleine was kidnapped and the small but significant increase in the number of break-ins has been a major focus in the Yard's inquiry.

Shortly before Madeleine was snatched, an apartment was raided and another child was disturbed.

The youngster's parents were nearby but the intruder or intruders had fled when they rushed back inside.

Identifying the burglars as possible major suspects in the hunt for Madeleine is a key part of the Yard's investigation, codenamed Operation Grange.

A source close to her parents, Kate and Gerry, said: "It could be a major breakthrough. Kate and Gerry are buoyed up by this latest development.

"Whilst they don't want to build up their hopes too high they are feeling optimistic. They felt it was only a matter of time before new clues came to light."

In a moving radio interview recently, former GP Mrs McCann, 45, said: "Six years ago my little girl Madeleine was stolen. I cannot describe the impact that awful night had on our family. It’s a horrible pain we live with every day.

"[The charity] Missing People call it living in limbo and until Madeleine is found, we are in this nightmarish limbo too.

"Missing People never gives up hope, never stops looking. They are there when it counts, supporting each family for as long as it takes. For families like mine, they are a vital lifeline."

Authorities in London and Lisbon are working to set up a joint investigation team which would take advantage of European law to speed up cross-border inquiries.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, head of Operation Grange, has revealed that mobile records could be key to the mystery. But there are many other possible lines of inquiry.

Yesterday, a Scotland Yard spokesman confirmed an international letter of request was sent to the Portuguese last week but declined to discuss the contents.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/453500/Phone-calls-clue-leads-to-burglars-becoming-chief-Maddie-suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 13, 2014, 12:13:21 PM

They have no authority and any crime prosecuted would be in Portugal.

Excellent news for any criminals.. they can all now head to Portugal  8)--)) 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 13, 2014, 01:04:02 PM
Excellent news for any criminals.. they can all now head to Portugal  8)--)) 8)--))

Perps are frequently siezed with lightning speed by police in one country on behalf of another country, and in such cases they obviously haven't gone through the slow Letter of Request process. But in those cases there's obviously compelling evidence and need for urgency recognised by both countries that there isn't in this one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 13, 2014, 01:31:34 PM


Identifying the burglars as possible major suspects in the hunt for Madeleine is a key part of the Yard's investigation, codenamed Operation Grange.

ABSOLUTELY NOT what was spoken on the T.V. show This Morning.

They are saying that they are interested in talking to a group of possible burglars in order to find out if they had seen anything suspicious themselves but wouldnt come forward because they were afraid they would be arrested.

So they are talking about bringing them in under a PJ caution and asking them a bit like an amnesty.

NOTHING to do with arresting them for having abducted the child.

This actually makes a lot of sense as if there is a small gang working around PDL they might have some knowledge they can help the police with OR NOT...

Its otherwise all a load of WHO SHOT JOHN.

This news has been regurgitated so many times, I know it off by heart lol....

I am thinking do we need to keep BRINGING IT UP lol, not literally of course, although i have to say i have had to use my Rennies a bit more today as I feel a tad nauseous....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Fierljepper on January 13, 2014, 01:48:56 PM
The fact that SY found these three new potential suspects based on increased phone traffic shortly after Maddie's disappearance, could be an interesting lead to pursue. It is promising since apparently these three people can be linked to 'burglaries' in that area, but also because of the relatively high phone traffic amongst them. If these people have been involved in Maddie's disappearance, the best news is that they are with three since it will be much easier to be played out against each other based on different levels of involvement in the crime.

Based on these data, I actually don't think their motive was a pre-planned 'ordered' kidnap of Maddie, since if that was the case they would have been smart enough to not talk over the phone intensively so shorty after successful completion of this well thought-out 'operation'. I would find it more likely if this was a burglary that went terribly wrong in that sense that one of them actually killed Maddie by accident (e.g. by silencing/suffocating her after being interrupted by e.g. M.O. doing his check). In that case it was safer to take the body and dispose of it quickly thereafter to erase any DNA links. Then obviously a lot of calls are needed to concoct a common alibi and to ensure the weaker team members will not break down and stay on the agreed message.

Anyway, let's wait and see where this goes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 13, 2014, 01:49:43 PM
Out of all this lot its the child stealing gipsies hypothesis that creases me. Me owd granny use to say "now now our ******* don't go out the end of the ginnel or the didikais will take you and sell you". By the time I was about 7 I had worked it out and cleared off wherever I fancied. CM and elements of the press must believe we are all about 5 or 6. Not only that he, is up as a parliamentary candidate in 2015. Guy Fawkes wtf are you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 13, 2014, 01:59:57 PM
Out of all this lot its the child stealing gipsies hypothesis that creases me. Me owd granny use to say "now now our ******* don't go out the end of the ginnel or the didikais will take you and sell you". By the time I was about 7 I had worked it out and cleared off wherever I fancied. CM and elements of the press must believe we are all about 5 or 6. Not only that he, is up as a parliamentary candidate in 2015. Guy Fawkes wtf are you.

You must have been a braver kid than most. I think fairy tales and irrational adult scare stories are still stubbornly there in most people's subconscious even in these supposed enlightened days.

Some people and organisations take advantage of it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 13, 2014, 04:35:24 PM
You must have been a braver kid than most. I think fairy tales and irrational adult scare stories are still stubbornly there in most people's subconscious even in these supposed enlightened days.

Some people and organisations take advantage of it.

Little doubt of that. It has led to the perception that there is a "wankyman" behind every tree bush and lamppost in Christendom. When I was kid we knew who had a "funny uncle" and who the "wankymen" were and stayed well clear. When I was a single parent (quick tune on the old fiddle) it was looking for trouble from the Stazi if any child under 12 was left without adult supervision. I well remember the cost and "inconvenience". But that is wandering off topic.................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 13, 2014, 05:10:36 PM

The Guardian

by Haroon Siddique

British police 'preparing to make arrests' in Madeleine McCann casePolice are ready to arrest and interview suspects over girl's disappearance in Portugal, says parents' spokesman


British police are reportedly preparing the ground to make the first arrests in their investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that police were ready to arrest and interview "key suspects". Scotland Yard confirmed that it had sent an international letter of request to the Portuguese authorities but would not elaborate on its contents.

However, the Mirror said officers were preparing to fly to the Algarve on Sunday night to speak to three burglars who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort where Madeleine, then three years old, vanished on 3 May 2007.

The Metropolitan police launched its own investigation into her disappearance in July last year and in October, when new developments in the case were put to air on the BBC Crimewatch programme, officers said they were seeking to track down the people behind a series of burglaries around the Ocean Club complex, mainly in the early months of 2007. There was also an incident almost exactly a year before the abduction when children in a ground-floor apartment saw an intruder break in through a patio door and stare into a travel cot, stealing nothing.

Earlier this month, the Mail reported that analysis of mobile phone data suggested that a burglary gang was operating very near to where Madeleine vanished and made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours after she was reported missing.

The spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars."

He said Madeleine's parents did not want to get their hopes up but "realised it could be a significant new lead". He also said it was not a formality that the Portuguese authorities would co-operate.

Portuguese police, who once falsely treated the parents as suspects, reopened their investigation in October last year, more than three years after it was shelved. Their investigation is running in parallel with the Scotland Yard inquiry but the Met police commissioner has called for the two forces to join together as one team


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/13/madeleine-mccann-british-police-arrests-portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 13, 2014, 05:14:55 PM
The Guardian

by Haroon Siddique

British police 'preparing to make arrests' in Madeleine McCann casePolice are ready to arrest and interview suspects over girl's disappearance in Portugal, says parents' spokesman


British police are reportedly preparing the ground to make the first arrests in their investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that police were ready to arrest and interview "key suspects". Scotland Yard confirmed that it had sent an international letter of request to the Portuguese authorities but would not elaborate on its contents.

However, the Mirror said officers were preparing to fly to the Algarve on Sunday night to speak to three burglars who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort where Madeleine, then three years old, vanished on 3 May 2007.

The Metropolitan police launched its own investigation into her disappearance in July last year and in October, when new developments in the case were put to air on the BBC Crimewatch programme, officers said they were seeking to track down the people behind a series of burglaries around the Ocean Club complex, mainly in the early months of 2007. There was also an incident almost exactly a year before the abduction when children in a ground-floor apartment saw an intruder break in through a patio door and stare into a travel cot, stealing nothing.

Earlier this month, the Mail reported that analysis of mobile phone data suggested that a burglary gang was operating very near to where Madeleine vanished and made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours after she was reported missing.

The spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars."

He said Madeleine's parents did not want to get their hopes up but "realised it could be a significant new lead". He also said it was not a formality that the Portuguese authorities would co-operate.

Portuguese police, who once falsely treated the parents as suspects, reopened their investigation in October last year, more than three years after it was shelved. Their investigation is running in parallel with the Scotland Yard inquiry but the Met police commissioner has called for the two forces to join together as one team


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/13/madeleine-mccann-british-police-arrests-portugal

Looks like a slow news day at The Grauniad. Most of this is retread!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 13, 2014, 05:20:40 PM
Looks like a slow news day at The Grauniad. Most of this is retread!!

The story is on Sky News

http://news.sky.com/story/1194324/madeleine-mccann-police-hunt-three-burglars
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 13, 2014, 05:32:01 PM
Aye, once one runs with it, they'll all  pedal the same stuff just to keep up.
10 people saying the same thing doesn't make it any more authentic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 13, 2014, 06:04:45 PM
The Guardian

by Haroon Siddique

British police 'preparing to make arrests' in Madeleine McCann casePolice are ready to arrest and interview suspects over girl's disappearance in Portugal, says parents' spokesman


British police are reportedly preparing the ground to make the first arrests in their investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

A spokesman for Madeleine's parents told the Daily Mirror that police were ready to arrest and interview "key suspects". Scotland Yard confirmed that it had sent an international letter of request to the Portuguese authorities but would not elaborate on its contents.

However, the Mirror said officers were preparing to fly to the Algarve on Sunday night to speak to three burglars who carried out raids in the Portuguese resort where Madeleine, then three years old, vanished on 3 May 2007.

The Metropolitan police launched its own investigation into her disappearance in July last year and in October, when new developments in the case were put to air on the BBC Crimewatch programme, officers said they were seeking to track down the people behind a series of burglaries around the Ocean Club complex, mainly in the early months of 2007. There was also an incident almost exactly a year before the abduction when children in a ground-floor apartment saw an intruder break in through a patio door and stare into a travel cot, stealing nothing.

Earlier this month, the Mail reported that analysis of mobile phone data suggested that a burglary gang was operating very near to where Madeleine vanished and made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours after she was reported missing.

The spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann said: "The letter is a significant development. It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars."

He said Madeleine's parents did not want to get their hopes up but "realised it could be a significant new lead". He also said it was not a formality that the Portuguese authorities would co-operate.

Portuguese police, who once falsely treated the parents as suspects, reopened their investigation in October last year, more than three years after it was shelved. Their investigation is running in parallel with the Scotland Yard inquiry but the Met police commissioner has called for the two forces to join together as one team


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jan/13/madeleine-mccann-british-police-arrests-portugal

I was just reading this on my facebook feed. The top comments are almost entirely negative towards the Mccanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on January 13, 2014, 07:47:12 PM
I was just reading this on my facebook feed. The top comments are almost entirely negative towards the Mccanns.

You can thank PeterMac and his mates for that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 13, 2014, 10:39:33 PM
You can thank PeterMac and his mates for that.

yes, every single negatve post on the daily mail which is read by thousands all over the world and commented on and arrowed in in the hundreds sometimes ....must be...doh

Getting back to the three burlars.....I suspect this is just another area the PJ checked out at the time and its being made a circus now..indeed the ridiculous theory that burlars panicked when disturbed and took madeleine with them was considered way back in 2007 and thought very remote...in the files...btw

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 13, 2014, 11:02:01 PM
yes, every single negatve post on the daily mail which is read by thousands all over the world and commented on and arrowed in in the hundreds sometimes ....must be...doh

Getting back to the three burlars.....I suspect this is just another area the PJ checked out at the time and its being made a circus now..indeed the ridiculous theory that burlars panicked when disturbed and took madeleine with them was considered way back in 2007 and thought very remote...in the files...btw

It was the Guardian, which is why I thought it worth mentioning. I have no idea who PeterMac is....

I don't know if you saw Columbosstogey's post earlier, she was saying that the police wanted to ask the burglars if they'd seen anything, thinking that they hadn't come forward before for fear of arrest. It's the most sensible reason for wanting to trace them that I've seen. Apparently it was on This Morning.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 14, 2014, 11:21:23 AM
It seems even after so many years the divide that this particular case causes has grown so much bigger despite both the Portuguese and the UK police forces saying that Madeleine’s parents are not being investigated. They have been cleared. I do still chuckle when I see opinions that speculate that this is a conspiracy by both police forces to keep the McCanns close because secretly, they are their prime suspects. Nothing could be, I strongly suspect, further from the truth.

I don’t share the doubts that some have about the latest news in the investigation and that these so called three intruders operating in the area at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance is just to fill column inches in the tabloids. Those who have followed the investigation from the inception of Grange will no doubt be able to suspect what Redwood’s team are investigating currently. Potentially the angles not covered by Snr Amaral’s disastrous investigation where he alone can only explain his failure and letting Madeleine down. He was certainly quick to capitalise on the case so maybe it was just the money he was interested in, purely speculation on my part though.

My suspicion is that the three awaiting questioning by the joint police forces are only able to provide information to the traffickers who were capable and organised enough to make Madeleine disappear completely within minutes of being taken from the apartment. The botched robbery and then subsequent abduction really doesn’t seem to fit and I’m fairly sure the tabloids elaborated on possible, yet highly unlikely scenarios as we know journalists will sometimes do to pad out what are believed to be facts or expert opinion.

Although the article seems presumptuous in its announcement of pending arrests, maybe if we consider for a moment that although key in providing information, these people are unlikely to be arrested for the abduction itself. I strongly suspect that their information will point both the Portuguese and UK police to those people who are responsible for her abduction and concealment.

Redwood has always had over sight of the investigation and it is his opinion which he has stated clearly many times that he believes Madeleine is still alive. His analysis of the information that the investigation is working on should hold gravitas, his opinion cannot be, I suggest, merely cast aside in favour of conspiracies involving dogs and whatever else conspiracy is flavour of the day.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 14, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
Welcome singularity

one question...trafficked for what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 14, 2014, 12:06:17 PM
Not enough to advance the investigation as they were not acted upon, if there had been conclusive proof then they would have been arrested

Can you answer my question please, madeleine was "trafficked" (as per your first post) for what?? Thanks

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 14, 2014, 12:16:13 PM
Can you answer my question please, madeleine was "trafficked" (as per your first post) for what?? Thanks

I think the Grange investigation is exploring the possibility that Madeleine was taken and then transported away from Portugal by an organised criminal trafficking group. For what purpose I would not even want to guess
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 14, 2014, 12:19:11 PM
I think the Grange investigation is exploring the possibility that Madeleine was taken and then transported away from Portugal by an organised criminal trafficking group. For what purpose I would not even want to guess

You think? Did they say so? When?

Trafficked are for slave labour, sexual slaves....does a three yr old fit that category? I dont  thnk so
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 14, 2014, 12:23:01 PM
You think? Did they say so? When?

Yes I think so, hence the apparent focus on certain people being interviewed for the Grange investigation. Given the direction the investigation is moving in it would be fair to suspect that trafficking is involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 14, 2014, 12:26:41 PM
Yes I think so, hence the apparent focus on certain people being interviewed for the Grange investigation. Given the direction the investigation is moving in it would be fair to suspect that trafficking is involved.

Conjecture and assumption and you didnt answer my second question
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 14, 2014, 12:44:31 PM
Conjecture and assumption and you didnt answer my second question

Your second question being "did they say so?" - to whom are you referring to?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 14, 2014, 12:47:08 PM
Your second question being "did they say so?" - to whom are you referring to?

No, scroll up to post 1351 to see the second question
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 14, 2014, 12:49:23 PM
No, scroll up to post 1351 to see the second question

Im afraid I wouldn't know why someone like Madeleine would appeal to traffickers, to be honest I wouldn't like to think of why she would
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 14, 2014, 12:53:34 PM
Apologies if this has been mentioned but being short on time I skipped from reading your post to replying.

Great big problem with your theory to the tune of 2.5 million. What possible leverage could SY have to get these burglars spilling the beans that is greater than a 2.5 million reward they would get by spilling the beans anyway?

It's a ridiculous waste of time and effort at the tax payers expense.

Couldn't agree more old chap. Not to mention the slightly distasteful bit of a lot of people making a lot of money out the disappearance of an unfortunate little girl.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 14, 2014, 05:35:31 PM
Burglar arrests are 'not a major breakthrough' say latest reports:

http://www.sctimes.com/usatoday/article/4470017
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 14, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
Well, there's a surprise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 14, 2014, 05:40:19 PM
Burglar arrests are 'not a major breakthrough' say latest reports:

http://www.sctimes.com/usatoday/article/4470017

Time to put Mr Mitchell back in his box.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 14, 2014, 05:55:44 PM
Martin Brunt, yesterday:

"Madeleine went missing and within minutes the phones of these suspects were 'red hot' - they were talking to each other an awful lot."

Oh dear.

>@@(*&) Who had he been speaking to I wonder?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 14, 2014, 05:58:55 PM
Martin Brunt, yesterday:

"Madeleine went missing and within minutes the phones of these suspects were 'red hot' - they were talking to each other an awful lot."

Oh dear.

>@@(*&) Who had he been speaking to I wonder?

Didn't the entire network light up as searchers and emergency workers were alerted all over the place?  Are known burglars not allowed to search for a missing youngster?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 14, 2014, 05:59:36 PM
Martin Brunt, yesterday:

"Madeleine went missing and within minutes the phones of these suspects were 'red hot' - they were talking to each other an awful lot."

Oh dear.

>@@(*&) Who had he been speaking to I wonder?

I wonder. ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on January 14, 2014, 07:29:04 PM
Anyone arrested yet?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 14, 2014, 07:30:48 PM
Anyone arrested yet?

No and not likely to be in the near future.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 14, 2014, 09:21:20 PM
Going back to the NEWS... it seems that PJ has admitted that SY is looking at 3 people .. and this was not work of the McCanns..

What a stupid move from the PJ! Are the trio now going to wait to be questioned or arrested???

Pedro do Carmo, the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police in Portugal, said Portuguese authorities have not yet received the letter, but he noted the latest lines in the Scotland Yard investigation focus on three people. Do Carmo declined to provide the nationalities of those three people, who he said have not been detained.

http://kplr11.com/2014/01/14/uk-authorities-looking-into-3-people-in-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 14, 2014, 09:24:58 PM
Going back to the NEWS... it seems that PJ has admitted that SY is looking at 3 people .. and this was not work of the McCanns..

What a stupid move from the PJ! Are the trio now going to wait to be questioned or arrested???

Pedro do Carmo, the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police in Portugal, said Portuguese authorities have not yet received the letter, but he noted the latest lines in the Scotland Yard investigation focus on three people. Do Carmo declined to provide the nationalities of those three people, who he said have not been detained.

http://kplr11.com/2014/01/14/uk-authorities-looking-into-3-people-in-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/


Merely looking at three people.

That's truly amazing.

What next I wonder. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 15, 2014, 12:33:54 AM
Posters are respectfully reminded not to enter into name calling or the making of derogatory comments against other users.  All off topic posts expunged as per forum policy!

This thread relates to the latest news in the search for Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 15, 2014, 09:42:42 AM
Are there no comments regarding the head of PJ giving info to the media about the three burglars being the main suspects of SY?

Same time,  if the media source was McCanns spokesman, then many people have much to say...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2014, 10:15:33 AM
Are there no comments regarding the head of PJ giving info to the media about the three burglars being the main suspects of SY?

Same time,  if the media source was McCanns spokesman, then many people have much to say...

Three people, not burglars.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 15, 2014, 10:33:47 AM
Going back to the NEWS... it seems that PJ has admitted that SY is looking at 3 people .. and this was not work of the McCanns..

What a stupid move from the PJ! Are the trio now going to wait to be questioned or arrested???

Pedro do Carmo, the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police in Portugal, said Portuguese authorities have not yet received the letter, but he noted the latest lines in the Scotland Yard investigation focus on three people. Do Carmo declined to provide the nationalities of those three people, who he said have not been detained.

http://kplr11.com/2014/01/14/uk-authorities-looking-into-3-people-in-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/

THATS NOT WHAT WAS SAID.........

Pedro do Carmo, the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police in Portugal, said Portuguese authorities have not yet received the letter, but he noted the latest lines in the Scotland Yard investigation focus on three people. Do Carmo declined to provide the nationalities of those three people, who he said have not been detained.

................

HE NOTED, which just means he read it in the The Sun, Mail, Express etc.....lol...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:49:51 AM
Are there no comments regarding the head of PJ giving info to the media about the three burglars being the main suspects of SY?

Same time,  if the media source was McCanns spokesman, then many people have much to say...

What is the date of that kpr11.com article linked to...link wont open as it has too many redirects...I bet the PJ werent the first to mention the alledged SY ready to swoop on suspects story...its been doing the rounds from early hours of the 11 th Jan in the UK, so, how does that make the PJ stupid? As you said?

 >@@(*&)

The facts here are

The Met have issued a statement on their website saying a Letter of Request was sent the week beginning 6 Jan

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21686.html?sid=971382e097ab683b58fc1c7e9688bfb7

PT authorities have not received this yet but received a note saying the CPS will be sending one

There are no UK police in Portugal waiting to question any suspects as claimed by Sky News and others

For PT articles check here

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/forum37.html?sid=971382e097ab683b58fc1c7e9688bfb7


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2014, 10:55:30 AM
The usual misrepresentation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 11:07:48 AM
The usual misrepresentation.

Yes unfortunately, but the media is only a conduit for the shenanigans of others, mostly, sometimes they are complicit
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 15, 2014, 03:01:30 PM
What is the date of that kpr11.com article linked to...link wont open as it has too many redirects...I bet the PJ werent the first to mention the alledged SY ready to swoop on suspects story...its been doing the rounds from early hours of the 11 th Jan in the UK, so, how does that make the PJ stupid? As you said?

 >@@(*&)

The facts here are

The Met have issued a statement on their website saying a Letter of Request was sent the week beginning 6 Jan

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21686.html?sid=971382e097ab683b58fc1c7e9688bfb7

PT authorities have not received this yet but received a note saying the CPS will be sending one

There are no UK police in Portugal waiting to question any suspects as claimed by Sky News and others

For PT articles check here

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/forum37.html?sid=971382e097ab683b58fc1c7e9688bfb7

How long does it take for a letter to get from England to Portugal?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 03:10:21 PM
How long does it take for a letter to get from England to Portugal?
The letter sent by the MP to the HO on the 7th of February 2008 was accepted by the HO on the 27th of February.
(it had been sent before, in December, and received by the HO beginning of January through Eurojust, but the HO said it wasn't the normal way and sent it back to Eurojust.)
It would be faster with a stamp and postmailing  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2014, 03:12:29 PM
Can these things go direct from police/ cps to police, or do they need to go via Home Office/Foreign Office ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 15, 2014, 03:14:13 PM
How long does it take for a letter to get from England to Portugal?

That's what I was thinking.

If the letter was of paramount importance it could of been sent via RAF jet fighter.

It appears they have put it in Pat's van.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 03:42:48 PM
Nothing hurries lawyers. Or how could they justify their fees?

They have to dot every i and cross every t, or the process may not be legal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 15, 2014, 04:11:02 PM
What is the date of that kpr11.com article linked to...link wont open as it has too many redirects...I bet the PJ werent the first to mention the alledged SY ready to swoop on suspects story...its been doing the rounds from early hours of the 11 th Jan in the UK, so, how does that make the PJ stupid? As you said?

 >@@(*&)

The facts here are

The Met have issued a statement on their website saying a Letter of Request was sent the week beginning 6 Jan

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21686.html?sid=971382e097ab683b58fc1c7e9688bfb7


PT authorities have not received this yet but received a note saying the CPS will be sending one

There are no UK police in Portugal waiting to question any suspects as claimed by Sky News and others

For PT articles check here

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/forum37.html?sid=971382e097ab683b58fc1c7e9688bfb7

Amazing; the Met comment leads nowhere other than they wrote a letter. Pedro do Carmo hasn't detained anyone so just who is going to what with which and to whom; not to mention when. Allegedly ( I cant find the quote now) one of CM's colleagues from his Beeb days described him as someone who hadn't quite made the grade.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 05:18:30 PM
Can these things go direct from police/ cps to police, or do they need to go via Home Office/Foreign Office ?

It doesnt go direct to police but the AGs office/ Public Ministry is reported (2 days ago) to have said, aint seen nothing yet....you see the lack of urgency means it isnt urgent!

That's what I was thinking.

If the letter was of paramount importance it could of been sent via RAF jet fighter.

It appears they have put it in Pat's van.

LOL
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 15, 2014, 06:29:17 PM
Well if the Portuguese haven't received the request, the LEAK comes from the mccanns or SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on January 15, 2014, 06:43:42 PM
Portuguese daily the Morning Post (Correio da Manhã) have now published the story about Welsh lawyer Gareth Morgan.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Fportugal%2Fadvogado-britanico-acusa-pais-de-maddie-de-negligencia


The same newspaper stated in another article yesterday that Operation Grange had now cost around €53 million.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Fportugal%2Fcaso-maddie-policia-britanica-vem-a-portugal-fazer-detencoes
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 15, 2014, 06:55:21 PM
8)-))) Some error there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 15, 2014, 06:55:32 PM
Portuguese daily the Morning Post (Correio da Manhã) have now published the story about Welsh lawyer Gareth Morgan.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Fportugal%2Fadvogado-britanico-acusa-pais-de-maddie-de-negligencia


The same newspaper stated in another article yesterday that Operation Grange had now cost around €53 million.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=auto&tl=en&u=www.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fnacional%2Fportugal%2Fcaso-maddie-policia-britanica-vem-a-portugal-fazer-detencoes

Some mistake, surely - should be about £5 million
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 15, 2014, 07:03:59 PM
Some mistake, surely - should be about £5 million

Just goes to show what can happen when a decimal point is left out.

The original deffo say 53 million.  >>  Esta operação já custou cerca de 53 milhões de euros à polícia inglesa.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 15, 2014, 09:44:33 PM
Can these things go direct from police/ cps to police, or do they need to go via Home Office/Foreign Office ?

Official documents and letters of request usually go via the British official office which is the British Embassy in Lisbon.  In urgent matters they are sent by telefax followed by a hard copy sent in the diplomatic mail.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 15, 2014, 10:26:12 PM
Just goes to show what can happen when a decimal point is left out.

The original deffo say 53 million.  >>  Esta operação já custou cerca de 53 milhões de euros à polícia inglesa.

A typo

 @)(++(*

Its about 7 million now

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 15, 2014, 10:42:13 PM
A typo

 @)(++(*

Its about 7 million now

Goes to show you just can't believe anything you read in the papers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 15, 2014, 11:00:31 PM
Goes to show you just can't believe anything you read in the papers.
Since when aren't you supposed to not accept anything for true which you did not clearly know to be such; that is to say, carefully to avoid precipitancy and prejudice, and to comprise nothing more in your judgment than what was presented to your mind so clearly and distinctly as to exclude all ground of doubt. ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 16, 2014, 06:52:21 PM
Hi all,

Any news about the Polícia Judiciária Oporto team, or Polícia Judiciária "ILOR" team, or Procuradora-Geral da República, official statements?

Only the 2nd. ILOR statement from Scotland Yard?

Thanks, Heri.

PS: heard a rumour: 2nd. ILOR rejected for not given names of persons of interest?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 16, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
How can you submit a request without specifying the names of the persons of interest?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 16, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
The farcical circus continues
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on January 17, 2014, 09:42:53 AM
Madeleine McCann: Lawyer says 'Kate and Gerry McCann guilty of neglect for leaving her - and they weren't charged'
14 January 2014 12:00 AM By Adam Aspinall
Gareth Morgan made the shocking claim while acting for a drink-driving mum who left her five-year-old son, who has Asperger syndrome, home alone at night
Search agony: Gerry and Kate McCann with image of how Maddie might look today
A lawyer accused Madeleine McCann’s parents of child neglect as he defended his own client in an “outrageous” courtroom speech.

Gareth Morgan made the shocking claim while acting for a drink-driving mum who left her five-year-old son, who has Asperger syndrome, home alone at night.

Yesterday a friend of Kate and Gerry McCann, both 45, blasted the comparison as ­“insensitive and plain wrong”.

The mum, 44, was caught after she crashed into a car at traffic lights. When the police went to her home they found the “extremely vulnerable” boy there.

The woman, who cannot be named, admitted neglect and was spared jail. But Mr Morgan pleaded for her freedom on the basis that Kate and Gerry McCann were never prosecuted for leaving daughter Madeleine alone in their holiday flat.

He told magistrates in Merthyr Tydfil, South Wales: “The parents of Madeleine McCann were guilty of child neglect for leaving their little girl much longer than my client. They were never prosecuted.

"The mother in this case is ashamed and remorseful at putting her young child at risk in the way she did.”

The McCanns left three-year-old Madeleine in their apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz while they dined with friends at a nearby tapas bar in May 2007.

Madeline McCann reconstruction and appeal from Crimewatch 
Last night a close pal of the couple, of Rothley, Leics, said: “The comments are insensitive and plain wrong. Kate and Gerry will be furious. The circumstances are totally different and not comparable.

“If Kate and Gerry were guilty of child neglect, and they were absolutely not, they would have been dealt with. As it is, there are two police inquiries in two different countries trying to find out what happened to Madeleine, and comments made by a lawyer in an unrelated case is offensive, outrageous and inaccurate.

"It is his opinion, but it is a disgrace that a defence lawyer is commenting on Kate and Gerry in this way. They will not be happy about that.”

Merthyr Tydfil magistrates heard the mum was more than two-and-a-half times the limit when she drove to a supermarket cashpoint shortly before midnight.

On the way back she smashed into the rear of a car being driven by Bronnie-May Dunn, 21, who had stopped at a red traffic light.

Miss Dunn suffered head injuries in the crash but the woman shouted at her: “That was your f****** fault.”

Police followed the woman home but she told them: “I can’t be arrested, my son is in the house and he’s only five.”

Prosecutor Stephen Head said: “Sure enough, when police went into the house they found the boy asleep under a blanket on the settee.”

The woman pleaded guilty to child neglect, drink-driving and leaving an accident. She got a 12-month supervision order, was ordered to carry out 120 hours’ unpaid work and told to attend a course. She was also banned from driving for 22 months.

Probation officer Graham Craig said: “His mother accepts full responsibility and knows a potentially catastrophic situation could have developed while she was out.”

The McCanns would not be drawn on Mr Morgan’s claim last night. Spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: “We will not comment on details in a court case.” Mr Morgan could not be reached.

Meanwhile, British police hunting for Madeleine are poised to make their first arrests. They are heading to the Algarve and want to quiz three burglars behind raids in Praia da Luz. Records show the men made numerous calls to each other after she disappeared.

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 08:20:42 PM
http://www.wwd.com/runway/mens-fall-collections-2014/fashion-scoops/kris-van-assche?module=more_on

mccanns must be furious!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 21, 2014, 08:33:42 PM
http://www.wwd.com/runway/mens-fall-collections-2014/fashion-scoops/kris-van-assche?module=more_on

mccanns must be furious!

BBC? Interesting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 21, 2014, 08:55:20 PM
BBC? Interesting.

Its bbc america apparently

No idea if that is an arm of the bbc or an acronym for an american organisation
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 21, 2014, 09:59:53 PM
http://www.wwd.com/runway/mens-fall-collections-2014/fashion-scoops/kris-van-assche?module=more_on

mccanns must be furious!

Unless they are receiving a fee!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 23, 2014, 12:54:03 PM
http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=3647611&dossier=O%20caso%20Maddie%20McCann (http://www.jn.pt/Dossies/dossie.aspx?content_id=3647611&dossier=O%20caso%20Maddie%20McCann)

Chegou pedido da polícia inglesa para inquirir suspeitos no caso Maddie

A Procuradoria-Geral da República já recebeu a carta rogatória sobre o caso Madeleine McCann. Entre as diligências pedidas pelas autoridades britânicas estão inquirições aos três homens que os detetives consideram suspeitos, por terem feito vários telefonemas junto ao aldeamento turístico da praia da Luz, em Lagos, na noite em que a criança desapareceu.

A carta rogatória vai ser agora remetida ao Tribunal de Portimão e as diligências deverão ser entregues e cumpridas, uma vez mais, pela Polícia Judiciária (PJ).

Este é o segundo pedido de auxílio das autoridades britânicas relacionado com o desaparecimento, ocorrido a 3 de maio de 2007, quando a criança tinha três anos.

Trata-se de um conjunto de diligências que os detetives pedem que sejam feitas em Portugal, no âmbito da investigação que decorre em Inglaterra.


Added English translation.

Request of British police arrived to investigate suspects in Maddie case.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jn.pt%2FDossies%2Fdossie.aspx%3Fcontent_id%3D3647611%26dossier%3DO%2520caso%2520Maddie%2520McCann

The Attorney General's Office has received a letter of request on the Madeleine McCann case.  Among the steps taken by the British authorities ordered inquiries are the three men who detectives believe the suspects, for having made several phone calls in the tourist resort of Praia da Luz, Lagos, on the night the child disappeared.

 The letter of request will now be forwarded to the Court of Portimão and steps should be completed and delivered once again, by the Judicial Police (PJ).

 This is the second request for help from the British authorities related to the disappearance, which occurred on May 3, 2007, when the child was three years old.

 This is a set of steps that detectives ask which are made in Portugal, in the research taking place in England.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 23, 2014, 01:50:19 PM
1:32pm, Thu 23 Jan 2014

Police send letter requesting information in Madeleine investigation
Emma Murphy: Europe Correspondent

The Portuguese Attorney General has confirmed to ITV News that an International Letter of Request has now been received from detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Joana Marques Vidal said the letter from officers at the Metropolitan Police has now been passed to a Portuguese court for consideration.

Two weeks ago officers involved in Operation Grange, the code-name for the British investigation, confirmed they had asked colleagues in the Algarve for assistance.

It is thought they want to speak to a number of men about a large number phone calls they made in the area on the night the child vanished.

It was reported the three were known burglars. Under Portuguese law British officers have to go through local police in order to gain information for their investigation if those involved are based in Portugal.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-23/police-send-letter-requesting-information-in-madeleine-investigation/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-23/police-send-letter-requesting-information-in-madeleine-investigation/)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 23, 2014, 02:19:09 PM
1:32pm, Thu 23 Jan 2014

Police send letter requesting information in Madeleine investigation
Emma Murphy: Europe Correspondent

The Portuguese Attorney General has confirmed to ITV News that an International Letter of Request has now been received from detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Joana Marques Vidal said the letter from officers at the Metropolitan Police has now been passed to a Portuguese court for consideration.

Two weeks ago officers involved in Operation Grange, the code-name for the British investigation, confirmed they had asked colleagues in the Algarve for assistance.

It is thought they want to speak to a number of men about a large number phone calls they made in the area on the night the child vanished.

It was reported the three were known burglars. Under Portuguese law British officers have to go through local police in order to gain information for their investigation if those involved are based in Portugal.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-23/police-send-letter-requesting-information-in-madeleine-investigation/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-23/police-send-letter-requesting-information-in-madeleine-investigation/)

Reported by whom, I wonder?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on January 23, 2014, 02:56:55 PM
updated 13:00 GMT 01.23.14
McCann case: UK seeks Portugal interviews
By Isa Soares and Laura Smith-Spark, CNN
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(CNN) - Authorities in Portugal have received a letter from British prosecutors asking to interview people there in connection with the 2007 disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the authorities told CNN on Thursday.

 
The letter was sent on January 10 by Britain's Crown Prosecution Service, amid a renewed push to find the British girl who disappeared while on vacation with her family in the Portuguese resort town of Praia da Luz.

She was 3 years old at the time, and the case prompted headlines around the world.

The latest developments in the case come about three months after new police sketches were released of potential suspects and UK police appeared in a TV appeal for information.

The program prompted a flurry of tips, and police in Portugal announced in October that they would reopen the case. Since then, the Portuguese investigation has run in parallel with the British one.

Pedro do Carmo, the deputy national director of the Judiciary Police in Portugal, said last week that the Scotland Yard investigation was focused on three people but did not give further details.

READ: October: Portuguese police reopen Madeleine inquiry

READ: A thousand responses to new police appeal

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 23, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
interesting quote from the paper..

Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the public prosecutor in charge of the original investigation, is overseeing the reopened inquiry.

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry and claimed officers under disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral achieved "very little" during their 15 month investigation.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 08:14:39 PM
interesting quote from the paper..

Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the public prosecutor in charge of the original investigation, is overseeing the reopened inquiry.

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry and claimed officers under disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral achieved "very little" during their 15 month investigation.

What "Little"  did they achieve?  I must have missed that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 23, 2014, 08:19:31 PM
What "Little"  did they achieve?  I must have missed that.


Perhaps you should ask your dear 'cousin' ?   8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 23, 2014, 08:24:38 PM

Perhaps you should ask your dear 'cousin' ?   8)--))

What a good idea.  Why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 23, 2014, 08:27:16 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544750/Scotland-Yard-detectives-investigating-Madeleine-McCann-case-step-closer-making-arrests-official-bid-interview-three-suspects.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490


yes OK then

never seen alledged prime suspects being warned for months in advance police were after them ever...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 23, 2014, 08:28:14 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544611/Briton-22-accused-tennis-betting-scam-Australian-Open-son-murder-detective-working-Madeleine-McCann-case.html

So? And?
The point being? Is anyone interested? No, why should they be?

 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 23, 2014, 11:30:22 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544611/Briton-22-accused-tennis-betting-scam-Australian-Open-son-murder-detective-working-Madeleine-McCann-case.html

So? And?
The point being? Is anyone interested? No, why should they be?

 >@@(*&)
Breaking News
The taxi driver who took Mr McCann, Mrs Healy and Mrs Cameron to the Lisbon Court, in October, has been so impressed by their dignity that he sticked an image of Maddie in his car and interviews every client about her, in case he would by chance transport the abductor.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 24, 2014, 10:32:11 AM
How long has that letter of request taken?  Must be snail mail!   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 24, 2014, 11:35:56 AM
How long has that letter of request taken?  Must be snail mail!   
It travels through the FO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 24, 2014, 11:41:22 AM
Reported by whom, I wonder?


Whichever hack nicked a different hack's copy, I expect. I haven't found anything to substantiate what the content of the latest ILoRs may be about. Probably just as well, I hope they can get on with their job.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on January 24, 2014, 12:30:33 PM
"A significant development": First arrests in Madeleine McCann case move nearer
24 January 2014 08:55 AM By David Collins
A source close to missing Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry McCann said: "It is an important and significant development."
Arrests: Madeleine McCann
The British police investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance moved a step closer to making arrests yesterday after Portuguese authorities received a letter of formal request for help.

Portugal's Attorney General's office confirmed they were in receipt of an International Letter of Request - a "significant development," according to a source close to Madeleine's parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

The contents of the letter are believed to ask for access to three prime suspects.

The Mirror has previously reported how British police are braced to make the first arrests ever in case of Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

The letter will now be forwarded to a court in the Algarve resort of Portimao tasked with investigating the newly-reopened case in Portugal.

Authorities declined to give a timescale on when the letter would be sent or actioned.

Scotland Yard are understood to want to question three local burglars blamed for a string of break-ins in Praia da Luz where Madeleine was snatched in May 2007.

Portuguese detectives acting on a first International Letter of Request sent by Britain last July discovered the men were very close to the scene of Madeleine's disappearance.

They are thought to have made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours after her abduction.

Portugal's Attorney General's office announced last October the Madeleine McCann inquiry was being reopened at the request of police in Porto who have spent the past three years reviewing the case.

Jose Magalhaes e Menezes, the public prosecutor in charge of the original investigation, is overseeing the reopened inquiry.

He was damning of the original probe pointing the finger at Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry and claimed officers under disgraced former police chief Goncalo Amaral achieved "very little" during their 15 month investigation.

Scotland Yard detectives are conducting their own separate criminal inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance called Operation Grange.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the Met operation, has said he continues to believe Madeleine is still alive.

Operation Grange was first launched as a review in 2011 following the intervention of David Cameron in the case.

A source close to Maddie's parents said: "It it the next step forward in what is proving to be a slow but very thorough process.

"Met Police want to be given the opportunity to arrest key suspects.

"They are keeping Kate and Gerry informed of all developments.

"We understand the International Letter of Request was received by the Portuguese authorities last week.

"It is an important and significant development.

"But it is too early to say, at this stage, if the powers that be in Portugal will co-operate."

The McCann's official spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: "Kate and Gerry do not comment on any aspect of Operation Grange."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2014, 12:38:05 PM

Is there some reason for why The PJ can't arrest these people?  They don't need permission to do that, do they?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 24, 2014, 12:45:27 PM
Is there some reason for why The PJ can't arrest these people?  They don't need permission to do that, do they?

Presumably because there is no evidence to suggest they committed a crime on Portuguese soil.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2014, 12:50:55 PM
Presumably because there is no evidence to suggest they committed a crime on Portuguese soil.

Ah, I see.  Scotland Yard think they might have done, and The PJ think they might not have done.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on January 24, 2014, 12:52:57 PM
Isn't it something to do with being an auguido (sorry if spelt wrong )
There are so many laws and rules out there remember Murat and Kate/Gerry they had to make them suspects in order to carry in questions
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2014, 01:33:02 PM

The PJ can question, and expect answers, but only up to a point.  Kate and Gerry were questioned before they were made Arguidos.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 24, 2014, 01:43:32 PM
Is there some reason for why The PJ can't arrest these people?  They don't need permission to do that, do they?

It might be media hype. "Imminent arrests" sells better than people to be questioned and eliminated.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 24, 2014, 01:48:35 PM
The PJ can question, and expect answers, but only up to a point. Kate and Gerry were questioned before they were made Arguidos.

But they weren't arrested in order to do so.
Suspects can be questioned without being arrested, whereas in UK suspects seem to be arrested before being questioned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 24, 2014, 01:53:18 PM
But they weren't arrested in order to do so.
Suspects can be questioned without being arrested, whereas in UK suspects seem to be arrested before being questioned.
.

People in UK can be questioned without being arrested.  But they don't have to answer.  Not answering will not necessarily get them arrested.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 24, 2014, 01:56:47 PM
But they weren't arrested in order to do so.
Suspects can be questioned without being arrested, whereas in UK suspects seem to be arrested before being questioned.

Frightening really....as the only justification can be just suspicion (obviously not related to arrests made FOR x y z crime)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 24, 2014, 02:01:05 PM
But they weren't arrested in order to do so.
Suspects can be questioned without being arrested, whereas in UK suspects seem to be arrested before being questioned.

Could you clarify the conditions as regards questioning in the UK?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 24, 2014, 02:08:04 PM
But they weren't arrested in order to do so.
Suspects can be questioned without being arrested, whereas in UK suspects seem to be arrested before being questioned.

Depends what you mean by suspects...were the mccanns questioned as witnesses initially...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 24, 2014, 02:11:20 PM
Could you clarify the conditions as regards questioning in the UK?

First part of this article might be helpful - http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/apr/25/police-ukcrime

Also - https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-of-arrest-your-rights

The point I was trying to make was that the Portuguese would not arrest suspects merely in order to question.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 24, 2014, 02:15:19 PM
First part of this article might be helpful - http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2013/apr/25/police-ukcrime

Also - https://www.gov.uk/police-powers-of-arrest-your-rights

The point I was trying to make was that the Portuguese would not arrest suspects merely in order to question.
Of course. If it's obvious that the questioning will take ages, the MP is asked authorization for keeping the suspect in the police station. This can't last more than 48 hours (I'm not sure, may be 72).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 24, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
Maybe the 3 suspects are already in a portugese prison? That could help explain the lack of haste but it would also suggest that these 3 don't have any worthwhile urgent information that would lead to her whereabouts.
Very likely, if they were identified as burglars, they must have been convicted at least once. Perhaps set free since then ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 28, 2014, 05:15:11 PM
Metropolitan Police officers have today visited the Portuguese city of Faro to discuss the Madeleine McCann case with police there.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/ (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 28, 2014, 05:38:48 PM
Metropolitan Police officers have today visited the Portuguese city of Faro to discuss the Madeleine McCann case with police there.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/ (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/)

Hi Heri

Ah, breaking News.  Thankyou.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 28, 2014, 06:30:31 PM
Metropolitan Police officers have today visited the Portuguese city of Faro to discuss the Madeleine McCann case with police there.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/ (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/)

Tea and biscuits hopefully then..unlike kate mccann who was not offered any tea ..and kets hooe the PJ arent smoking, the rascals........thanks for the "breaking news"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2014, 06:32:17 PM
Tea and biscuits hopefully then..unlike kate mccann who was not offered any tea ..and kets hooe the PJ arent smoking, the rascals........thanks for the "breaking news"

Perhaps they intend to arrest the burglars   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 28, 2014, 06:33:55 PM
Perhaps they intend to arrest the burglars   @)(++(*

That will be soon after the cream buns Im sure......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 28, 2014, 07:06:48 PM
Metropolitan Police officers have today visited the Portuguese city of Faro to discuss the Madeleine McCann case with police there, ITV News understands.

ITV News understands from whom one asks?
No arrests yet 20+ days and counting.
Whatever happened to "Kate and Gerry will be Assistentes in the reopened Portuguese enquiries"?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 28, 2014, 07:08:09 PM
That will be soon after the cream buns Im sure......
How twee ...  but if it amuses you ...  small minds and all that....


Was that the day kate was kept at the Police Station for hours on end?  The day she was made an arguido?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 28, 2014, 07:10:07 PM
Bumped

Metropolitan Police officers have today visited the Portuguese city of Faro to discuss the Madeleine McCann case with police there.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/ (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-01-28/police-visit-portugal-to-discuss-madeleine-mccann-case/)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 28, 2014, 07:12:54 PM
Metropolitan Police officers have today visited the Portuguese city of Faro to discuss the Madeleine McCann case with police there, ITV News understands.

ITV News understands from whom one asks?
No arrests yet 20+ days and counting.
Whatever happened to "Kate and Gerry will be Assistentes in the reopened Portuguese enquiries"?

More a case of 'would like to be', rather than 'will be'. I just bet they would - they desperately need to know what is going on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 28, 2014, 07:23:19 PM
More a case of 'would like to be', rather than 'will be'. I just bet they would - they desperately need to know what is going on.

Not the most reliable of news channels, bless their cotton socks
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 28, 2014, 07:40:34 PM
More a case of 'would like to be', rather than 'will be'. I just bet they would - they desperately need to know what is going on.

Probably having severe bouts of ring twitter because they're being kept in the dark.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 28, 2014, 08:19:46 PM
I wonder what is really going on between the British and Portuguese police 

There is no information coming from either side  (  quite rightly I think  )   with the only  'news'  in the press coming from the McCann team 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 28, 2014, 08:30:52 PM
I wonder what is really going on between the British and Portuguese police 

There is no information coming from either side  (  quite rightly I think  )   with the only  'news'  in the press coming from the McCann team

I suspect the Portuguese are investigating a Portuguese crime and The Met are investigating a British crime.
One does incline to the view that all of a sudden there will be "a curved ball from the left" and all will say jeez!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 28, 2014, 09:03:34 PM
Aren't the Met PO in Faro for the rog interviews of the three burglars ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 28, 2014, 09:08:45 PM
I suspect the Portuguese are investigating a Portuguese crime and The Met are investigating a British crime.
One does incline to the view that all of a sudden there will be "a curved ball from the left" and all will say jeez!

some have inclined to the theory  of tick... tock ...tick..tock..slowly slowy, slowly catchee monkey and expect the MCannns to be arrested shortly... I think they're bonkers...are you one of these?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 28, 2014, 09:37:34 PM
yes you are

You may find your basic premise is incorrect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 28, 2014, 10:18:45 PM
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-2547650/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-fly-Portugal-talks.html (http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/news/article-2547650/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-fly-Portugal-talks.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 28, 2014, 10:22:31 PM
I wonder what is really going on between the British and Portuguese police 

There is no information coming from either side  (  quite rightly I think  )   with the only  'news'  in the press coming from the McCann team

I bet the burglar's story is just a mask.. they are working together on A suspect..

I congratulate both forces on not leaking info..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 28, 2014, 10:26:18 PM
Maddie detectives fly to Portugal for talks: Officers urge counterparts to investigate leads involving three burglars
EXCLUSIVE: Scotland Yard officers hold three-hour meeting in city of Faro
They want Portuguese counterparts to investigate three burglars
Phone analysis shows they were 'very close' to the McCann's apartment
Madeleine McCann vanished from holiday flat almost seven years ago
By NICK FAGGE
PUBLISHED: 22:01 GMT, 28 January 2014 | UPDATED: 22:01 GMT, 28 January 2014

Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have held an important meeting with Portuguese counterparts that they hope will lead to a major breakthrough in the case.
Four Met Police officers met with senior members of Portugal’s detective squad, the Policia Judiciaria (PJ), in Faro, to urge them to carrying out inquiries identified by the British investigation known as Operation Grange.
The detectives had arrived in the Algarve on Monday afternoon and held a three-hour meeting, starting at 10am today.

The Met officers held talks with the head of the PJ in Faro, Mota Carmo, and Ana Paula-Rita, the coordinator for the PJ office in Portimao, whose jurisdiction covers Praia da Luz, in the hope of gathering new evidence.
British police want to interview three burglars who have been identified as prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007.

Analysis of mobile phone data suggests the men were ‘very close’ to the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz when the three-year-old vanished.
It also indicates they made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours that followed her abduction in 2007.
A source close to the PJ told the Daily Mail: ‘The British police came to Faro for a meeting at 10am.

‘They talked for about three hours and then went for lunch.
‘The British are desperate to interview three burglars that were in Praia da Luz at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance.
‘But they are also urging the Portuguese authorities find new evidence against the burglary suspects that could lead to arrests.’
Portugal’s Public Prosecutor Jose Magalhaes e Menezes has said his office will not be ‘an obstacle to solving the Madeleine case’.
The Portuguese authorities reopened their own investigation into the youngster’s disappearance in October last year.

Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3, 2007, as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant with friends.
It is now known that between January and May 2007 there had been a four-fold increase in the number of burglaries in the area.
Police said in October last year that in the 17 days before she disappeared there was one burglary and one attempted burglary in the block where the McCann family were staying.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 28, 2014, 10:46:35 PM
This story comes from  'a source close  to the PJ'   ...  who is leaking to the British tabloids  ? 

Really  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 28, 2014, 10:53:08 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/1/28/285392/default/v2/mirror-280114-1-329x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 28, 2014, 10:56:53 PM
A pic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 28, 2014, 10:58:10 PM
Another Tom Pettifor special 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 28, 2014, 10:59:34 PM
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-kate-gerry-on-3087456

There is a video in the article.

The video makers don't speak English but I am not sure if they are speaking Portuguese either
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 28, 2014, 11:01:39 PM
This story comes from  'a source close  to the PJ'   ...  who is leaking to the British tabloids  ? 

Really  ?
But they are also urging the Portuguese authorities find new evidence against the burglary suspects that could lead to arrests.’

Say no more nudge nudge
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 28, 2014, 11:04:04 PM
But they are also urging the Portuguese authorities find new evidence against the burglary suspects that could lead to arrests.’

Say no more nudge nudge

Very strange comment!

Would you be happy if SY doesn't make any progress?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 28, 2014, 11:20:25 PM
Very strange comment!

Would you be happy if SY doesn't make any progress?

I would not!
The highlighted bit was an extract from the Mail about the three burglars which to me indicates the idea is busted flush. I believe The Met and the PJ know exactly what they are at but aren't telling anyone and the press is making up a load of blx.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 29, 2014, 06:32:46 AM
Aren't the Met PO in Faro for the rog interviews of the three burglars ?

Yes i believe so, perhaps they have found them and want to go through things with them to see if they saw or know something.

I dont care as long as something is done, and perhaps finally we might find out something and who took her or why she disappeared.

I read the link, and boy the Mail can make a meal out of anything cant they. The met were always going to go to Portugal and discuss the case with the PJ wernt they?

So from a few pictures we have they are there to arrest 3 burglars.....you cant ARREST someone surely unless you have proof. They would be suspects Yes?

3 hours and then they went off to LUNCH lol...not too much wine I hope.

I am excited about this in a way, as I think something has been going on quietly with the SY and PJ.

I wouldnt be surprised if we didnt end up going back to the beginning just a feeling...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 08:00:29 AM
I would not!
The highlighted bit was an extract from the Mail about the three burglars which to me indicates the idea is busted flush. I believe The Met and the PJ know exactly what they are at but aren't telling anyone and the press is making up a load of blx.

Do you still believe that SY are investigating a british crime
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 08:05:31 AM
I think anyone who still thinks the parents are criminally involved is totally deluded.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2014, 08:26:49 AM
But they are also urging the Portuguese authorities find new evidence against the burglary suspects that could lead to arrests.’

Say no more nudge nudge

But they are also urging the Portuguese authorities find new evidence against the burglary suspects that could lead to arrests.’

Which is a way of saying they have diddly squat.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 08:31:19 AM
But they are also urging the Portuguese authorities find new evidence against the burglary suspects that could lead to arrests.’

Which is a way of saying they have diddly squat.

 I think estuarine is showing a little more sense saying that they are not revealing their true hand...you however seemed to have swallowed it hook line and sinker
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2014, 08:41:36 AM
I think estuarine is showing a little more sense saying that they are not revealing their true hand...you however seemed to have swallowed it hook line and sinker

here is a little question in logic davel.

If you are conducting an inquiry, do you forewarn possible 'suspects' by telling them in advance what you intend to do, or do you do it quietly behind the scenes, as would anyone with a smattering of intelligence ?

As to the 'hook,line and sinker'. You have swallowed the rubbish of the Mccanns story in every sense, and continue to do so.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 29, 2014, 09:33:54 AM
The Scotland Yard charade continues!

To view, click on link at bottom.

(http://i.imgur.com/Ah4pjX8.png?1)

www.news.ninemsn.com.au/world/2014/01/29/14/09/british-police-close-to-arrests-in-madeline-mccann-disappearance
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 09:44:00 AM
Well, legally British police cannot do anything in Portugal.
Even if they get a permission to question someone any lawyer can beat this permission.
It they together with PJ question someone, that is another pair of shoes.. but again.. I am not sure about the legality of this.. unless they have an Interpol warrant.

That is IMO. Interpol has to be involved..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 29, 2014, 10:00:51 AM
Three Scotland Yard detectives from Operation Grange wait for their team leader DCI Redwood at Faro International Airport yesterday.


(http://i.imgur.com/t4M2jdh.png?1)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 10:03:32 AM
here is a little question in logic davel.

If you are conducting an inquiry, do you forewarn possible 'suspects' by telling them in advance what you intend to do, or do you do it quietly behind the scenes, as would anyone with a smattering of intelligence ?

As to the 'hook,line and sinker'. You have swallowed the rubbish of the Mccanns story in every sense, and continue to do so.

maybe someone in the pj is singing like a bird...they have form for it...I don't think the McCanns have spoken any rubbish....to be quite blunt...how would you know what someone with a smattering of intelligence would do

maybe SY want to see how these persons of interest react..you totally underestimate SY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2014, 10:10:28 AM
maybe someone in the pj is singing like a bird...they have form for it...I don't think the McCanns have spoken any rubbish....to be quite blunt...how would you know what someone with a smattering of intelligence would do

maybe SY want to see how these persons of interest react..you totally underestimate SY


I know intelligence when i see it, and I know when I see blind faith.

As for leaks, UK forces including SY, are known for it.

As to underestimating SY.............

Nah.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on January 29, 2014, 11:07:55 AM
sadly u what  ever happens re SY or going forward we hope in the tragic case of Madeleine you always are finding fault try to be a little more nicer mind you that would be extremely difficult for you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 29, 2014, 11:08:16 AM
Sky News.

SY are making progress...............................

Spot the cliche.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 29, 2014, 11:09:12 AM
A Random Selection relating to the "current" visit
SKY
"It's certainly not the first time Scotland Yard detectives have visited Portugal - more than a dozen times in the last two years since Scotland Yard have been reviewing and then investigating Madeleine's disappearance has such a team gone to liaise.
"But it could be of some big significance because we know that earlier this month the UK authorities sent what's known as an international letter of request to the Portuguese authorities seeking, we think, help in interviewing three potential suspects."
METRO
British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have arrived in Portugal to speak to authorities about the possible arrest of three suspects.
The Scotland Yard team are ‘set to swoop on three suspects’, according to the Mirror, with parents Maddie’s Kate and Gerry McCann ‘on tenterhooks’ over the potential breakthrough.
THE GRAUNIAD
It is reported that they are seeking assistance to interview the three potential suspects, though Scotland Yard has refused to confirm whether a team was in the country or the purpose behind the travel.

A gold mine full of pyrites if ever there was one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 11:15:38 AM
The Scotland Yard charade continues!

Why are they four ? Have three of them come to handcuff themselves to the three burglars on the way back ?
The Portuguese media ignore that event.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 12:06:30 PM

Whatever happened to "Kate and Gerry will be Assistentes in the reopened Portuguese enquiries"?
Last time they solicited this (August 2007), it was accepted within two weeks.
We don't know for sure whether they really asked for it this time. It's doubtful that a source close to the family would disclose a refusal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 29, 2014, 01:02:37 PM
Sky News.

SY are making progress...............................

Spot the cliche.

I do fine it all a bit bizarre, because IF these burgars did take the child, they would know they were being hunted wouldnt they now with it in the press all the time. They could be in Rio Janeiro by now.

I only got the impression the wanted to talk to these men to see if they had heard or seen anything suspicious not that they actually did anything.

I am sure if I was one of these guys, I would be long gone by now.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 01:09:03 PM
Unless this all is to trigger a certain reaction from potential suspects 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 01:11:01 PM
Unless this all is to trigger a certain reaction from potential suspects 8-)(--)

that certainly is a possibility
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 01:12:48 PM
it is panic stations for the "bash the McCann brigade"

More and more newspaper reports supporting the McCanns innocence....fantastic
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 29, 2014, 01:24:43 PM

Where does anyone think these suspects are going to run to? 
They can't leave the country without it registering on some computer somewhere.  And they won't survive long without money.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 01:39:41 PM
So far it is a pure speculation..
Is there actually any quote from anyone saying that these people exist?
And even if they exist.. they might not be in Portugal at all.. they might not be male at all..
So far there are no facts to confirm any of these claims.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 29, 2014, 01:48:01 PM
So far it is a pure speculation..
Is there actually any quote from anyone saying that these people exist?
And even if they exist.. they might not be in Portugal at all.. they might not be male at all..
So far there are no facts to confirm any of these claims.

I totally agree. unless they are in jail, they could be anywhere if they exist at all. I just wonder if this is all a ploy.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 02:22:29 PM
I understand that TVI Portugal has reported that the three people in question have worked for OC..

- will look for a link
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 03:18:02 PM
Hi Anne,

Can you help me with this.. I am looking for TODAY's news of Portuguese TVI reporting that the 3 thieves in question worked for Ocean Club..

This is a very new info, never reported before..

Can you see this anywhere in PT news?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 03:20:46 PM
Hi Anne,

Can you help me with this.. I am looking for TODAY's news of Portuguese TVI reporting that the 3 thieves in question worked for Ocean Club..

This is a very new info, never reported before..

Can you see this anywhere in PT news?
I looked and found nothing. The PT press is very discreet.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
I looked and found nothing. The PT press is very discreet.

I found this on another forum.. but there were no links

TVI

(video transcript & translation by astro)

Maddie: PGR [Attorney General's Office] has already received letter from the British police

[VIDEO in link above]

by Marisa Rodrigues
29.01.14


The three men that the British police wants to question worked at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, at the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared.

They made several phone calls on the night of the 3rd of May of 2007. A number of calls to other people that was considered to be high and abnormal. This is what makes them persons of interest.

TVI knows that the rogatory letter also requests for searches to be carried out and bank accounts to be analysed.

The document has already arrived at the Attorney General's Office and will be sent to the Court of Portimão. The diligences will once more be handed over to the Judiciary Police.

It's the second time that the detectives ask for help, through a rogatory letter, for the ongoing investigation in England. Everything suggests that it will be the same inspectors, from Faro and Portimão, to carry it out.

The calendar for the diligences now has to be defined by the police forces from both countries. The British detectives may come to Portugal, but only to accompany the work that has to be performed by the Judiciary Police, on the terrain.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 03:36:44 PM
I found this on another forum.. but there were no links

TVI

(video transcript & translation by astro)

Maddie: PGR [Attorney General's Office] has already received letter from the British police

[VIDEO in link above]

by Marisa Rodrigues
29.01.14


The three men that the British police wants to question worked at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, at the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared.

They made several phone calls on the night of the 3rd of May of 2007. A number of calls to other people that was considered to be high and abnormal. This is what makes them persons of interest.

TVI knows that the rogatory letter also requests for searches to be carried out and bank accounts to be analysed.

The document has already arrived at the Attorney General's Office and will be sent to the Court of Portimão. The diligences will once more be handed over to the Judiciary Police.

It's the second time that the detectives ask for help, through a rogatory letter, for the ongoing investigation in England. Everything suggests that it will be the same inspectors, from Faro and Portimão, to carry it out.

The calendar for the diligences now has to be defined by the police forces from both countries. The British detectives may come to Portugal, but only to accompany the work that has to be performed by the Judiciary Police, on the terrain.
The analysis of bank accounts seems basic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 03:41:11 PM
The analysis of bank accounts seems basic.

Yes but this is the first time ever that any media outlet mentioned they worked for Ocean Club.

How reputable is TVI?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 03:44:52 PM
Yes but this is the first time ever that any media outlet mentioned they worked for Ocean Club.

How reputable is TVI?
I think the journalists there are reliable. Perhaps not all 3 belonged to the OC.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 04:17:22 PM
I found this on another forum.. but there were no links

TVI

(video transcript & translation by astro)

Maddie: PGR [Attorney General's Office] has already received letter from the British police

[VIDEO in link above]

by Marisa Rodrigues
29.01.14


The three men that the British police wants to question worked at the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, at the time when Madeleine McCann disappeared.

They made several phone calls on the night of the 3rd of May of 2007. A number of calls to other people that was considered to be high and abnormal. This is what makes them persons of interest.

TVI knows that the rogatory letter also requests for searches to be carried out and bank accounts to be analysed.

The document has already arrived at the Attorney General's Office and will be sent to the Court of Portimão. The diligences will once more be handed over to the Judiciary Police.

It's the second time that the detectives ask for help, through a rogatory letter, for the ongoing investigation in England. Everything suggests that it will be the same inspectors, from Faro and Portimão, to carry it out.

The calendar for the diligences now has to be defined by the police forces from both countries. The British detectives may come to Portugal, but only to accompany the work that has to be performed by the Judiciary Police, on the terrain.

if you click on TVI in red in the link below, the video is there

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21785.html

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/videos/video/14068211/1


And a related one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdXGwvhZwM4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 04:27:57 PM
if you click on TVI in red in the link below, the video is there

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic21785.html

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/videos/video/14068211/1


And a related one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdXGwvhZwM4&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Thank you! I would never find it myself :))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 04:40:54 PM
My mind is really now getting obsessed with this newest report that the potential burglars worked for OC..

I wonder if this is true or not!

As if they worked there then their statements would be in files..

Who are these people???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 29, 2014, 04:45:46 PM

The man killed by a tractor used to work for The Ocean Club, and he was a known burglar
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 29, 2014, 04:46:22 PM
My mind is really now getting obsessed with this newest report that the potential burglars worked for OC..

I wonder if this is true or not!

As if they worked there then their statements would be in files..

Who are these people???

They may, of course, simply be employees who were out searching that night.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 04:52:06 PM
The man killed by a tractor used to work for The Ocean Club, and he was a known burglar

But he cannot be questioned, he is dead.

Who are the others?

And if they were searchers that night then the mobile network would show their calls later than 10pm.

Is this maybe something 'out of  character' that would shock many people.. therefore so much secrecy?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 29, 2014, 04:56:29 PM
But he cannot be questioned, he is dead.

Who are the others?

And if they were searchers that night then the mobile network would show their calls later than 10pm.

Is this maybe something 'out of  character' that would shock many people.. therefore so much secrecy?


Only if you accept the timeline according to the McCanns. I believe some staff put the alarm as earlier.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 29, 2014, 04:59:42 PM
But he cannot be questioned, he is dead.

Who are the others?

And if they were searchers that night then the mobile network would show their calls later than 10pm.

Is this maybe something 'out of  character' that would shock many people.. therefore so much secrecy?

The fact that he is dead now doesn't necessarily mean that he wasn't one of the three.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 04:59:58 PM

Only if you accept the timeline according to the McCanns. I believe some staff put the alarm as earlier.

So you would dismiss the increase in mobile traffic between these individuals and not question them only because you don't trust the McCanns timeline?

BTW it was not only McCanns.. you have to dismiss many people's timelines.. just because you believe different..

Well, if the world and science worked like this we would never have moved from the stone age..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 29, 2014, 05:08:09 PM
So you would dismiss the increase in mobile traffic between these individuals and not question them only because you don't trust the McCanns timeline?

BTW it was not only McCanns.. you have to dismiss many people's timelines.. just because you believe different..

Well, if the world and science worked like this we would never have moved from the stone age..

No, I don't dismiss anything, merely consider that it may have much less significance than you seem to.
Police wish to speak to 3 people of interest who worked at OC at the time (as did a good number of people). They have made no suggestion that these people are criminals - that's down to various newspapers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 29, 2014, 05:25:14 PM
The amount of publicity  accompanying this visit is really quite remarkable

I wonder what purpose it is meant to serve   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 29, 2014, 05:27:08 PM
The amount of publicity  accompanying this visit is really quite remarkable

I wonder what purpose it is meant to serve   >@@(*&)

May just be a way of SY demonstrating that they are actually doing something . Why else publicise their visit ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 06:44:24 PM
May just be a way of SY demonstrating that they are actually doing something . Why else publicise their visit ?
Perhaps.
I wonder how those alleged burglars are related to Smithman in DCI Redwood's thoughts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 07:22:48 PM
I think media is trying to figure out what is going on but there is secrecy in place..

SY keeps saying this is a part of the regular meeting and regular visits to Portugal.. the process is not going to be fast and the PJ and SY teams are collaborating their findings.

ITV has report that any possible arrests are not imminent.


Quote
No imminent plans to make any arrests in Madeleine McCann case

Emma Murphy: Europe Correspondent  last updated Wed 29 Jan 2014


As much as people may wish it to lead somewhere, the meeting between British and Portuguese detectives is a routine part of the investigation to establish what happened to Madeleine McCann.

In recent months, with both countries working on their own inquiries they have started to liaise much more over the detail of their work.

This is partly because new teams - without any of the historic antagonism - are now in place, but also due to Portuguese law.

The British can't just get on a flight and start interviewing or arresting suspects. Any police work has to be done by the Portuguese and for that to happen an International Letter of Request must be sent from the UK.


Police from the UK are visiting Portugal to discuss the Madeleine case.
Many such letters have been sent and will be sent as part of Operation Grange, the Metropolitan Police's investigation.The last arrived a few days ago.

This meeting is a chance for officers from both countries to go through the detail.

Speaking to sources in Portugal and also the UK, it seems clear there is no plan to start making arrests imminently, if at all. This will be a long and slow process.

After so many years no one in the McCann family is getting overly optimistic. There have been too many moments which apparently offered far more than this routine meeting.

Their policy remains they will continue their quest to find their daughter and welcome the work of those joining in that search.
http://www.itv.com/news/2014-01-29/no-imminent-plans-to-make-any-arrests-in-madeleine-mccann-case/

This is kind of matching the TVIs Portugal story.. it is the PJ who has to question or to arrest suspects.. but this first has to go through their legal system..

The PJ team working on the case would not show their faces in the media because they work on the ground.. and they should not be known to the media..

Redwood can show his face in media because he is not the one who is going to go questioning potential suspects..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 08:14:32 PM
McCann police visit Portugal, but make no arrests
(AFP) – 1 hour ago 
Lisbon — British detectives investigating the disappearance of toddler Madeleine McCann have made another visit to the Algarve but no arrests were made, Portuguese police said Wednesday.
Scotland Yard detectives were in the Algarve capital Faro on Tuesday for talks with the Portuguese authorities.
British newspapers reported that the British detectives were set to arrest three suspects.
But Pedro do Carmo, the deputy head of Portugal's criminal police department, told AFP: "There were no arrests."
Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment in the beach resort of Praia da Luz, days before her fourth birthday in 2007. Her parents were dining with friends at a restaurant close by.
"A working meeting took place on Tuesday in Faro, in the regular fashion, as has happened before in the framework of the investigation," Carmo said.
He would not comment on the content of the meeting but said the detectives had now left Portugal.
The Daily Mirror newspaper in Britain said four Scotland Yard policemen had gone to Faro and were "set to swoop on three suspects" who were believed to be part of a burglary gang.
"The discussions are believed to have centred on getting local officials to sanction the arrests and subsequent questioning," the report said.
Portuguese authorities closed their investigation into McCann's disappearance in 2008, but Scotland Yard spent two years reviewing the evidence at the British government's request and opened their own probe in July last year.
British detectives have visited Portugal several times since they began reviewing the evidence.
The review interviewed more than 440 people and identified 41 "persons of interest", 15 of which were British nationals.
Gerry and Kate McCann have never dropped their campaign to find Madeleine. They believe she was kidnapped and is still alive.
A television appeal in October -- screened in Britain, Germany, Ireland and the Netherlands -- triggered more than 1,000 fresh calls and emails.
Portuguese authorities announced on October 24 they were re-opening the probe "due to new elements".

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gWRti8QUL-8RD3SMx2r-RMgQKXjA?docId=0e96d268-b511-401b-a735-8b3a3273ee49
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 08:21:50 PM


British detectives have visited Portugal several times since they began reviewing the evidence.
The review interviewed more than 440 people and identified 41 "persons of interest", 15 of which were British nationals.



I've read this before in the British press. I wonder who all these hundreds of people interviewed by SY were. (If that is exactly what is being reported).

ETA example

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post267354.html#p267354
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 08:25:22 PM
I've read this before in the British press. I wonder who all these hundreds of people interviewed by SY were. (If that is exactly what is being reported).

I might be wrong but weren't these the tourists who holidayed in PDL at the time and who weren't interviewed before because they left PDL or were not of interest at the time
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 08:28:00 PM
Re mentioning the bank accounts.. wasn't there a GNR officer  who reportedly came to the scene and who had a large sum of money deposited into his account.. and he said he did not know where this comes from???

This was in the media but not sure if this is in the files?

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/06/maddie-case-gnr-suspect-of-receiveing.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 08:31:15 PM
I might be wrong but weren't these the tourists who holidayed in PDL at the time and who weren't interviewed before because they left PDL or were not of interest at the time

That many? Yes, maybe  its a total of all interviewed in various countries who were there that week. SY had sent out ILORs to over 30 countries reportedly. Anyway.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 29, 2014, 09:30:11 PM
Re mentioning the bank accounts.. wasn't there a GNR officer  who reportedly came to the scene and who had a large sum of money deposited into his account.. and he said he did not know where this comes from???

This was in the media but not sure if this is in the files?

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/06/maddie-case-gnr-suspect-of-receiveing.html

From link:

"Gerry’s suspicious walk

According to depositions that were made within the process, the GNR agents even witnessed a walk by Gerry McCann, late in the night, near the church in Praia da Luz. All fundamental moments to understand what happened to the missing child."

What's the source of that information?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:02:26 PM
From link:

"Gerry’s suspicious walk

According to depositions that were made within the process, the GNR agents even witnessed a walk by Gerry McCann, late in the night, near the church in Praia da Luz. All fundamental moments to understand what happened to the missing child."

What's the source of that information?

GM asked a GNR officer if there was a church close by, this was at 4am and probably what that is referring to.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUI-SILVA.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 29, 2014, 10:12:21 PM
GM asked a GNR officer if there was a church close by, this was at 4am and probably what that is referring to.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RUI-SILVA.htm

Thanks so he didn't know where the church was being situated next to the beach? I believe him. Why did he want to go to the church at 4am? Did he think it was open? Well it could have been open at the time days later after getting the keys lol.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:15:17 PM
Upi news.. these 'suspects' were identified 6 years ago??? - ups..sorry I think it is the wording that was confusing..


LONDON, Jan. 29 (UPI) -- Three possible suspects have been identified in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in a Portuguese resort six years ago, police said.
Detectives from London's Metropolitan Police are in Portugal to meet with their counterparts there, the Daily Telegraph reported Wednesday. Investigators have suggested arrests in the case of the missing British girl are possible.

Madeleine, then 4, was sleeping with her siblings in the family's holiday apartment when she vanished. Her parents were eating with friends at a restaurant in the resort where they could see the windows of the apartment.

The Daily Mirror reported three men have been identified as potential suspects. All were in the area when Madeleine disappeared and made numerous calls to each other immediately afterward.



Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2014/01/29/Report-3-suspects-IDd-in-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance/UPI-80901391027950/#ixzz2rpPqj5nG
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 10:17:28 PM
I think you're misreading that Vixte.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:19:16 PM
I think you're misreading that Vixte.

Yes.. sorry I know.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 10:19:53 PM
Yes.. sorry I know.

Of course that's not to say newspapers won't claim it 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:22:46 PM
Thanks so he didn't know where the church was being situated next to the beach? I believe him.

I really don't know how visible the church was from any of the  places visited or frequented by them
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 10:23:17 PM
So the Met are back home again now?

It's only January 29th and that's three big PR pushes we've had this year already 8-)(--)

A chap on Sky News earlier (ex-cop I think) said he thinks the Met are bullish about being able to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion (whatever that means). Odd phrase to use.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:26:06 PM
So the Met are back home again now?

It's only January 29th and that's three big PR pushes we've had this year already 8-)(--)

A chap on Sky News earlier (ex-cop I think) said he thinks the Met are bullish about being able to bring this to a satisfactory conclusion (whatever that means). Odd phrase to use.

Well the whole world is seeing them there.. they are pushing the ball on PJ to act..

And I wonder if the PJ is not acting, then why not? Are these 'suspects' someone that it would not be good to see as 'suspects' in the eyes of the whole world?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:26:40 PM
I really don't know how visible the church was from any of the  places visited or frequented by them
The church stands alone in the middle of an large square over the beach...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 29, 2014, 10:27:00 PM
The church stands alone in the middle of an large square over the beach...

Why did he want to go to the church at 4am? Did he think it was open? Well it could have been open at that time days later after getting the keys lol.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:28:12 PM


And I wonder if the PJ is not acting, then why not? Are these 'suspects' someone that it would not be good to see as 'suspects' in the eyes of the whole world?
Sure !
 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:28:29 PM
Why did he want to go to the church at 4am? Did he think it was open? Well it could have been open at that time days later after getting the keys lol.

Kate was asking for a priest.. it was widely reported.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:28:45 PM
@Lyall

Peter Bleksley, ex SY

http://news.sky.com/story/1202667/madeleine-uk-police-fly-home-from-portugal

Hoping for "satisfactory conclusion". Redwood had said some resolution but that didnt mean "solving" it

Just think they are sayng they are determined to do everythning they can.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 10:30:03 PM
Well the whole world is seeing them there.. they are pushing the ball on PJ to act..

And I wonder if the PJ is not acting, then why not? Are these 'suspects' someone that it would not be good to see as 'suspects' in the eyes of the whole world?

They can only act legally. I think whichever article said the Met need the Portuguese to find more evidence against these guys (if any exists) was probably correct: at the moment they don't have enough.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:30:16 PM
Sure !
 @)(++(*


Then why not? Why not question these people and finish the episode with 'sorry not guilty' or ' yes they were involved'.. why extend this burglars charade further?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:30:21 PM
The church stands alone in the middle of an large square over the beach...

So sticks out like a sore thumb! Thanks.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:30:56 PM
Why did he want to go to the church at 4am? Did he think it was open? Well it could have been open at that time days later after getting the keys lol.
Are churches open in the UK all night ? I wondered. In Portugal they're not, except for, eventually, little chapels where dead people are exposed.
Do priests insure a 24/24 availability in the UK ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 10:31:44 PM
@Lyall

Peter Bleksley, ex SY

http://news.sky.com/story/1202667/madeleine-uk-police-fly-home-from-portugal

Hoping for "satisfactory conclusion". Redwood had said some resolution but that didnt mean "solving" it

Just think they are sayng they are determined to do everythning they can.

Cheers, Red 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:31:48 PM
Well the whole world is seeing them there.. they are pushing the ball on PJ to act..

And I wonder if the PJ is not acting, then why not? Are these 'suspects' someone that it would not be good to see as 'suspects' in the eyes of the whole world?

Like who?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 29, 2014, 10:32:07 PM
Kate was asking for a priest.. it was widely reported.

Or it's another alibi for Gerry.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:36:46 PM
If phoning makes someone a suspect, there are many here in Portugal. You hardly walk a hundred meters without spotting someone speaking on their cellphone  autistically (you can die in front of them or exhibit a green face, they will not notice).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:39:06 PM
Like who?

I don't know.. just asking,,maybe someone who is thought to be a decent citizen?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 10:41:27 PM
If phoning makes someone a suspect, there are many here in Portugal. You hardly walk a hundred meters without spotting someone speaking on their cellphone  autistically (you can die in front of them or exhibit a green face, they will not notice).

You don't seem to understand how phone analysis works...SY will have been looking for paterns and if its true whats been reported a pattern has stood out from normal usage
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:42:24 PM
Or it's another alibi for Gerry.
It has already be talked and suggested that in the UK there's always a priest to listen to you at any time over the phone (?). I know of Samaritans, but not of priests. Can anyone confirm and send a link ? I'm actually ready to question the Portuguese Church about that.
In France you can call "SOS amitié", 24/24. They're not religious, but you are listened to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:44:57 PM
If phoning makes someone a suspect, there are many here in Portugal. You hardly walk a hundred meters without spotting someone speaking on their cellphone  autistically (you can die in front of them or exhibit a green face, they will not notice).

Well, I remember reading on a case here in the UK where a whole town was asked to provide DNA sample.. not sure which case this was but I am sure I read about it.. and this was long ago..

It is not only making a phone call, it is your phone being located in a  close proximity of a crime scene.. I think there can be a reason there for questioning..

It happened in Joanna Yeates case where the suspet's phone signal was found near the bridge which had to be crossed to place the body in the geographical area where the body was found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:48:13 PM
I don't know.. just asking,,maybe someone who is thought to be a decent citizen?

So you are suggesting the PJ "are not acting" because they want to protect some "decent citizen"....bit far fetched IMO

Is this decent citizen also a burglar?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:49:46 PM
So you are suggesting the PJ "are not acting" because they want to protect some "decent citizen"....bit far fetched IMO

Is this decent citizen also a burglar?
 @)(++(*
Everything is possible in conspiracies..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 10:51:08 PM
Well, I remember reading on a case here in the UK where a whole town was asked to provide DNA sample.. not sure which case this was but I am sure I read about it.. and this was long ago..

It is not only making a phone call, it is your phone being located in a  close proximity of a crime scene.. I think there can be a reason there for questioning..

It happened in Joanna Yeates case where the suspet's phone signal was found near the bridge which had to be crossed to place the body in the geographical area where the body was found.

 that's absolutely true and through this...they found the killer
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 10:52:07 PM
Well, I remember reading on a case here in the UK where a whole town was asked to provide DNA sample.. not sure which case this was but I am sure I read about it.. and this was long ago..

It is not only making a phone call, it is your phone being located in a  close proximity of a crime scene.. I think there can be a reason there for questioning..

It happened in Joanna Yeates case where the suspet's phone signal was found near the bridge which had to be crossed to place the body in the geographical area where the body was found.
Is this how they found the man who strangled her ?
I know cases in France where all men of a village were DNA tested. In vain.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 29, 2014, 10:54:06 PM
Everything is possible in conspiracies..

LOL. Well, I don't buy the whole story as it has been presented in the media. Frankly, in GM's own words, it's getting very boring!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 10:55:47 PM
Is this how they found the man who strangled her ?
I know cases in France where all men of a village were DNA tested. In vain.

I am saying with the same logic you can question anyone whose phone was found in the proximity of the 5A.

And why not? If this is going to help solving the case.. then why not? I think everyone would willingly come to speak to police if this was to solve this case..

But with law in Portugal I am not sure.. whether this is legal in Portugal?

Re JY case.. to pass the bridge his phone had to change masts and this was in the evidence, that he did cross this bridge at the time the car was caught on the camera.. he could not possibly know that his phone was changing masts from one tower to another
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
Well the whole world is seeing them there.. they are pushing the ball on PJ to act..

And I wonder if the PJ is not acting, then why not? Are these 'suspects' someone that it would not be good to see as 'suspects' in the eyes of the whole world?

Good thinking Vixte

OMO of course.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 11:04:40 PM
LOL. Well, I don't buy the whole story as it has been presented in the media. Frankly, in GM's own words, it's getting very boring!
I do agree with that and possibly the McCanns as well..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 29, 2014, 11:04:59 PM
I am saying with the same logic you can question anyone whose phone was found in the proximity of the 5A.

And why not? If this is going to help solving the case.. then why not? I think everyone would willingly come to speak to police if this was to solve this case..

But with law in Portugal I am not sure.. whether this is legal in Portugal?

Re JY case.. to pass the bridge his phone had to change masts and this was in the evidence, that he did cross this bridge at the time the car was caught on the camera.. he could not possibly know that his phone was changing masts from one tower to another

it doesn't have to be legal just as you cannot demand that every man supplies a dna sample. You invite men to take a dna sample and those who refuse are looked at closely
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:10:16 PM
it doesn't have to be legal just as you cannot demand that every man supplies a dna sample. You invite men to take a dna sample and those who refuse are looked at closely

Yes, that is it.. the police tactics..

But few things are not clear to me now..

Now British media is running around these burglars like a cat around a hot porridge bowl..

Now they have a news from Portuguese tv that the 'burglars' were employees of OC .. why they are not publishing it??? Strange! They want the info but not any info!

The second thing is how the SY know these three are burglars? How the media knows this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 11:11:51 PM

But with law in Portugal I am not sure.. whether this is legal in Portugal?

I don't think you can be notified to go to the police on the simple argument that you spoke on your cell phone with alternatively the same two persons for two or three hours.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2014, 11:12:50 PM
So you are suggesting the PJ "are not acting" because they want to protect some "decent citizen"....bit far fetched IMO

Is this decent citizen also a burglar?
Ah ... No

Nah, this decent citizen might also be an elite and important to the economy of PT.  Also have friends in extraordinarily important PT and global positions who have mega clout.

Someone like that would not do the dirty work themselves. 

Burglary ... NAH.. Ugh!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:13:29 PM
I don't think you can be notified to go to the police on the simple argument that you spoke on your cell phone with alternatively the same two persons for two or three hours.

They cannot ask you what were you doing at that night near the crime scene?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 11:14:14 PM
I am saying with the same logic you can question anyone whose phone was found in the proximity of the 5A.

And why not? If this is going to help solving the case.. then why not? I think everyone would willingly come to speak to police if this was to solve this case..

But with law in Portugal I am not sure.. whether this is legal in Portugal?

Re JY case.. to pass the bridge his phone had to change masts and this was in the evidence, that he did cross this bridge at the time the car was caught on the camera.. he could not possibly know that his phone was changing masts from one tower to another

I can think of many reasons why people would not willingly speak, and many of them are a result of what happened earlier in the case: identification - and harassment - of innocent people resulting from the mostly irrational activities of TM, their detectives and the English press. I'm sure the Portuguese have not forgotten all that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:15:34 PM
Ah ... No

Nah, this decent citizen might also be an elite and important to the economy of PT.  Also have friends in extraordinarily important PT and global positions who have mega clout.

Someone like that would not do the dirty work themselves. 

Burglary ... NAH.. Ugh!

Well the newest report from Portugal is that they were Ocean Club workers.. and in this case it would be the Ocean Club that is concerned..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2014, 11:16:49 PM
Yes, that is it.. the police tactics..

But few things are not clear to me now..

Now British media is running around these burglars like a cat around a hot porridge bowl..

Now they have a news from Portuguese tv that the 'burglars' were employees of OC .. why they are not publishing it??? Strange! They want the info but not any info!

The second thing is how the SY know these three are burglars? How the media knows this?
At this point, I think Heri should take a bow.  He has been looking at telephones in minute detail.  Heri is a perfectionist and probably found anomolies and co-incidences; in other words pointers
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 11:19:14 PM
They cannot ask you what were you doing at that night near the crime scene?
In case of cold case I'm not sure. They'll have to have some kind of argument, like somebody who saw the CW e-fits found that you look a lot like Smithman or met you by the church at about 10 on that night, carrying not a child but a heavy blue bag.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 29, 2014, 11:19:41 PM
Well the newest report from Portugal is that they were Ocean Club workers.. and in this case it would be the Ocean Club that is concerned..
You are kidding !!!  Aw Gawd !  Just what I have been thinking.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:24:00 PM
You are kidding !!!  Aw Gawd !  Just what I have been thinking.

Well.. this was reported in Portugal on TVI today but not in the UK.. and the news here keep repeating the old news and not mentioning this fact.. this is what makes me curious..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:28:38 PM
In case of cold case I'm not sure. They'll have to have some kind of argument, like somebody who saw the CW e-fits found that you look a lot like Smithman or met you by the church at about 10 on that night, carrying not a child but a heavy blue bag.

I agree with you on this one.. but still thinking if there is will there is a way..  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 11:30:02 PM
I agree with you on this one.. but still thinking if there is will there is a way..  >@@(*&)

As long as it's legal 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 11:32:51 PM
If these three chaps exist they'll doubtless have had lawyers long ago. If they want to question them they'll need good evidence (not simply hints about 'red hot' phones).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:40:59 PM
If these three chaps exist they'll doubtless have had lawyers long ago. If they want to question them they'll need good evidence (not simply hints about 'red hot' phones).

Well it would be better for them to talk with the police and clear their name if they are not guilty.

Otherwise, the media can ruin them.. and soon the whole world can know their names.. no matter the lawyers..
Let alone what their naming can do for their employers and for their friends and families..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 11:47:12 PM
Well it would be better for them to talk with the police and clear their name if they are not guilty.

Otherwise, the media can ruin them.. and soon the whole world can know their names.. no matter the lawyers..
Let alone what their naming can do for their employers and for their friends and families..

I would think avoiding that is high on the agenda in Portugal, and with good reason.

You're answering your own questions now 8(0(*

People have long memories and it's a fact there is a long list of innocent people who have been identified and harassed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:51:10 PM
I would think avoiding that is high on the agenda in Portugal, and with good reason.

You're answering your own questions now 8(0(*

Well, how long until they are named?

I can already notice media digging like crazy angry wolves..

And after that.. there would be no place for them on this Earth to hide enough.

So, wouldn't be better to name themselves if they were not guilty ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 29, 2014, 11:51:51 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 29, 2014, 11:53:52 PM
Let them exist first outside of a jail (that's where confirmed burglars usually are).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 29, 2014, 11:58:19 PM
Well, how long until they are named?

I can already notice media digging like crazy angry wolves..

And after that.. there would be no place for them on this Earth to hide enough.

So, wouldn't be better to name themselves if they were not guilty ?

Easy for you to say. If these guys exist, I expect they're listening to their lawyers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 12:04:25 AM
Well, how long until they are named?

I can already notice media digging like crazy angry wolves..

And after that.. there would be no place for them on this Earth to hide enough.

So, wouldn't be better to name themselves if they were not guilty ?

Do you think the press splashing BURGLARS all over their articles for four weeks now makes these men - if they exist - more likely to volunteer for questioning, or less likely?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2014, 12:19:37 AM
Do you think the press splashing BURGLARS all over their articles for four weeks now makes these men - if they exist - more likely to volunteer for questioning, or less likely?
Lyall

I agree with you on this one  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 12:31:05 AM
Lyall

I agree with you on this one  8((()*/

8(>((

It's another oddity, but the original Mail article of January 3rd was so big a splash the source must have been the Met themselves >@@(*&) Surely?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 12:37:00 AM
8(>((

It's another oddity, but the original Mail article of January 3rd was so big a splash the source must have been the Met themselves >@@(*&) Surely?

So you think it might be tactics?

Well, if they name them by leaking into the papers than PJ would be seen as bad force for not arresting them.. once the news goes out like it was case with the McCanns it is very hard to correct it in the eyes of the whole world readers..

Using this logics, for PJ would be better to arrest few burglars and have them in court - and see whether they are guilty than to have them named by the media and do nothing..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 12:48:17 AM
So you think it might be tactics?

Well, if they name them by leaking into the papers than PJ would be seen as bad force for not arresting them.. once the news goes out like it was case with the McCanns it is very hard to correct it in the eyes of the whole world readers..

Using this logics, for PJ would be better to arrest few burglars and have them in court - and see whether they are guilty than to have them named by the media and do nothing..

Have them in court? >@@(*&) They need evidence and it doesn't look like they have enough (if any). You can't go around arresting people in Europe as easily as in the UK.

The Met are probably being tactical I agree. Perhaps hoping some birds might sing or something like that. ID's is what they want (it's what English police always want. They love them).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 12:52:55 AM
New article.. was out and then taken off and then put back online..

Now it reads as if it was written by a drunk cowboy  @)(++(*

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/456906/Police-fly-in-to-Portugal-arrest-three-suspects-in-Madeleine-McCann-hunt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 12:57:08 AM
Have them in court? >@@(*&) They need evidence and it doesn't look like they have enough (if any). You can't go around arresting people in Europe as easily as in the UK.

The Met are probably being tactical I agree. Perhaps hoping some birds might sing or something like that. ID's is what they want (it's what English police always want. They love them).

If these were re-offenders it would be easy to question them.. and even to charge them..

Just thinking.. if SY thinks Madeleine being still alive then they would be more careful and PJ too..

From article above:

A source close to the investigation said: “The inquiry has reached a sensitive stage. They are not going to give a running commentary on developments.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 01:07:51 AM
New article.. was out and then taken off and then put back online..

Now it reads as if it was written by a drunk cowboy  @)(++(*

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/456906/Police-fly-in-to-Portugal-arrest-three-suspects-in-Madeleine-McCann-hunt

"Closing in" >@@(*&) Still. Those journalists must be sick of having nothing to say (but I guess it's better than having to doing some investigating!)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 30, 2014, 01:08:52 AM
New article.. was out and then taken off and then put back online..

Now it reads as if it was written by a drunk cowboy  @)(++(*

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/456906/Police-fly-in-to-Portugal-arrest-three-suspects-in-Madeleine-McCann-hunt
I wonder what they have in those luggages. The translated PJ Files, the LC Files, the Metodo3 files, the Halligen Files, the Edgar Files ?
Or have they just the Met Files and toothbrushes ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 01:10:09 AM
I wonder what they have in those luggages. The translated PJ Files, the LC Files, the Metodo3 files, the Halligen Files, the Edgar Files ?
Or have they just the Met Files and toothbrushes ?

Golf clubs? 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 30, 2014, 01:17:38 AM
Golf clubs? 8)--))
Four remains a mystery, unless they were needed to carry all the stuff.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 30, 2014, 01:22:39 AM
I wonder whether readers learning about the "painstaking trawl through mobile phone records" realize that those records are only a (vague) location, a time and a duration and that nothing proves that the cell phone user was the cell phone owner (burglars burgle eventually cellphones).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 30, 2014, 02:45:57 AM
Could the increased activity of the phones of these employees be explained very simply by the fact that there was a major crisis going on in the town, at which they were the centre. They were probably involved in the search and were making several calls about it. Too simple?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 06:45:56 AM
Could the increased activity of the phones of these employees be explained very simply by the fact that there was a major crisis going on in the town, at which they were the centre. They were probably involved in the search and were making several calls about it. Too simple?

I thought they were clever enough to know this was before the search started..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 06:58:05 AM
I wonder whether readers learning about the "painstaking trawl through mobile phone records" realize that those records are only a (vague) location, a time and a duration and that nothing proves that the cell phone user was the cell phone owner (burglars burgle eventually cellphones).

They don't have to be in a vague location. It depends on number of towers and how far the towers are from the apartment.
How far the phone is from the tower can be calculated, in modern methods maybe even better..
SY probably has a pretty good software as mobile pinging would be an extremely useful tool in an investigation.

I can imagine there are much more sophisticated software provided to the police.

For example it is known that Eduard Snowden put his phone in a fridge.. even if it was switched off ..as apparently according to him,. only if inside a fridge or microwave a phone cannot be located.

Also I know of a case in London, where a girl was held in an apartment against her will and the police pinpointed her whereabouts just by her mobile phone which was switched on in her bag.  They knew which apartment in a building full of apartments she was in.

So, by knowing this, I believe the police is able to trace the phone user to exact whereabouts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 30, 2014, 07:10:50 AM
LOL. Well, I don't buy the whole story as it has been presented in the media. Frankly, in GM's own words, it's getting very boring!

EXACTLY. The only people reporting are the MEDIA.

I dont remember Scotland Yard saying or announcing they were off to Portugal to arrest 3 people?

They were only there a day for THREE HOURS meeting, hardly could have talked about much.....THREE HOURS.

Jeez I would have expected them to have been ensconced for days lol...IF they wanted to arrest three people.

I just think its a load of Who Shot John again.

Keep it in the media, it sells newspapers.

I was really sort of hoping something would happen just to get closure.....but nada....

Shame on me, for reading too much into it lol.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 30, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
The police have a suspect alive in England:   {... name removed .....} friend of the McCanns' holiday

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fexclusivo-cm%2Fja-ouviram-o-payne&sandbox=1

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just copy/pasting it!

Goodness knows whether it's the Portuguese version of the star style 'aliens abducted my goldfish' type article.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2014, 09:36:05 AM
The police have a suspect alive in England: {... name removed ...} friend of the McCanns' holiday

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fexclusivo-cm%2Fja-ouviram-o-payne&sandbox=1

Don't shoot the messenger, I'm just copy/pasting it!

Goodness knows whether it's the Portuguese version of the star style 'aliens abducted my goldfish' type article.

Do you have a link to the original article in portuguese
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 09:39:47 AM
Interesting... he was one of Amaral's witnesses.

(08.10.2013, 2:25pm) Manuel Catarino is Editor in Chief of the Portuguese daily, the Morning Mail (Correio da Manhã) and a journalist familiar with criminal processes. He authored "A culpa dos McCann” ("The guilt of the McCanns") with a preface by Francisco Moita Flores, that contains an interview by the criminologist José Manuel Anes, who reviewed the PJ investigation.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2601.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2014, 09:45:01 AM
it doesn't seem to be on the front page ...has a question mark...how accurate is the google translation..looks like rubbish..but wait and see
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 09:50:30 AM
it doesn't seem to be on the front page ...has a question mark...how accurate is the google translation..looks like rubbish..but wait and see

Ao Fim e ao Cabo
Já ouviram o Payne?

A polícia tem um suspeito vivo em Inglaterra: {... name removed ...} amigo de férias dos McCann.

    Hoje, 00h35
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Por: Manuel Catarino, redator principal

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/ja-ouviram-o-payne

Google translate version in English (http://www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fexclusivo-cm%2Fja-ouviram-o-payne)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2014, 10:01:06 AM
It will be interesting to see if any UK paper picks this up - some of them seem to like this sort of sensational headline.

I wonder if a certain spokesperson will have anything to say?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 30, 2014, 10:02:08 AM
Do you have a link to the original article in portuguese

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/search.aspx?q=maddie

I'm making no claims to the quality of the translation or the original info. It could well be a load of rubbish.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 10:06:51 AM
IMO this is just adding to my 'nice citizen in PT being accused by SY' theory.. now PT paper is fighting back with 'nice citizen in the UK being accused'

Just my opinion  8)--))

Plus wasn't DP who actually did not leave the table that night?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 10:17:13 AM
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/search.aspx?q=maddie

I'm making no claims to the quality of the translation or the original info. It could well be a load of rubbish.

I know you're not. The original seems to say the same thing.

He's the editor-in-chief of CdaM, an Amaral witness and the author of "The Guilt of the McCanns". It'll be wrapped as an "opinion" piece I expect. He does know that { ...name removed...}  had already been interviewed as part of the rogatory process, doesn't he?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 30, 2014, 10:25:23 AM
I know you're not. The original seems to say the same thing.

He's the editor-in-chief of CdaM, an Amaral witness and the author of "The Guilt of the McCanns". It'll be wrapped as an "opinion" piece I expect. He does know that Payne had already been interviewed as part of the rogatory process, doesn't he?

As in 'why are SY over here when they could be questioning someone on their own soil' kind of thing?

I guess it could read like that....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 10:28:00 AM
IMO this is just adding to my 'nice citizen in PT being accused by SY' theory.. now PT paper is fighting back with 'nice citizen in the UK being accused'

Just my opinion  8)--))

Plus wasn't DP who actually did not leave the table that night?

No one has been accused (in a legal sense), but, yes, it does come across that way.

The Payne family had a super-duper baby monitor and didn't leave the table.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 10:30:04 AM
As in 'why are SY over here when they could be questioning someone on their own soil' kind of thing?

I guess it could read like that....

Quite possibly, but SY wouldn't need to go to Portugal to (re)interview someone on their own soil.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
ITV

No imminent plans to make any arrests in Madeleine McCann case

Emma Murphy: Europe Correspondent
last updated Wed 29 Jan 2014

As much as people may wish it to lead somewhere, the meeting between British and Portuguese detectives is a routine part of the investigation to establish what happened to Madeleine McCann.

In recent months, with both countries working on their own inquiries they have started to liaise much more over the detail of their work.

This is partly because new teams - without any of the historic antagonism - are now in place, but also due to Portuguese law.

The British can't just get on a flight and start interviewing or arresting suspects. Any police work has to be done by the Portuguese and for that to happen an International Letter of Request must be sent from the UK.

Many such letters have been sent and will be sent as part of Operation Grange, the Metropolitan Police's investigation.The last arrived a few days ago.

This meeting is a chance for officers from both countries to go through the detail.

Speaking to sources in Portugal and also the UK, it seems clear there is no plan to start making arrests imminently, if at all. This will be a long and slow process.

After so many years no one in the McCann family is getting overly optimistic. There have been too many moments which apparently offered far more than this routine meeting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
I don't understand this bit in bold: Does this mean if they were questioned by PJ back in 2007 then  they cannot be questioned again???

Quote
British police want to question three suspects in the Algarve - translated by JM

Four investigators were gathered with senior Polícia Judiciária (PJ) officers in the Algarve to work on the details of the investigation. British newspapers believe in arrests.

by Valentina Marcelino and Paula Carmo
29 January 2014

Four Scotland Yard investigators were gathered yesterday with senior Polícia Judiciária (PJ) officers in the Algarve to work on the details of a further step of the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance. The visit of the English police officers to Portugal comes following a request for judicial assistance from the British authorities to question three suspects, who at the time of the disappearance of the girl, in 2007, were referenced in burglaries in the Praia da Luz area.

A source from the PJ's Directorate confirmed to the DN [Diário de Notícias acronym] the presence of elements from the Metropolitan Police at the Judiciary Police headquarters of Faro, but did not disclose further details. At the meeting was also present Luís Mota Carmo, the head of the PJ directorate of Faro, who listened to the justifications of the English that lead to the suspicions about those three individuals. Until the closing of this edition no conclusions were yet known, namely of when and where will the suspects be heard.

In accordance to the rules of judicial cooperation agreements, a foreign police cannot investigate in the national territory. For example, in case the questioning is performed, it will always be the PJ inspectors leading it, albeit with the British watching. The questions were already sent in detail in the letter rogatory and intend to learn from the suspects the reasons of them being in that area, at that time and that day. This new investigative line, that is being attempted by the British authorities, emerged after they cross-referenced phone records made at the time of the disappearance of the child, in that area, which led to new suspects.

According to what was reported in recent days by the English newspapers, the visit of the British investigators has as goal “to make the first arrests” since Scotland Yard decided to re-analyse the case in 2011, referred to as Operation Grange. The push for this decision has been assumed by the team leader, DCI Andy Redwood, who has already expressed his belief that “Maddie” could be alive.

This time the targets are, and still according to the British press, three men, authors of several burglaries in the area of Praia da Luz. The phone traffic data shows that these suspects did “numerous phone calls to each other” in the time period in which Madeleine was reported as missing from the apartment where she was holidaying with her parents and siblings. The Metropolitan Police was “eager” to question these burglars and went to Portugal with the goal of making the first arrests, reported the Daily Mirror last Friday.

All the traffic data that was analysed thoroughly by the British police had also been scrutinized by the PJ during the investigation that was later archived in 2008. Although it was not possible to obtain, up to now, information from the PJ about whether the three suspects had already been heard in that initial investigation, as a rule of thumb, the Attorney General's Office (PGR) only gives positive response to letters rogatory when the steps requested by foreign authorities were not carried out during another investigation. In other words, the acceptance of the English request could mean that these three suspected robbers who were referenced as being close to the crime scene were never heard by the Judiciary Police.

Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman of the couple Kate and Gerry McCann told the Daily Mirror yesterday that the acceptance of the letter rogatory by the PGR represents a significant development and that “It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf. It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z”. The spokesman of Madeleine's parents added “Whether the Portuguese will co-operate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with differences they have had.”.

In August last year, the PJ was also mandated by the Public Ministry, to comply with another letter rogatory, with a wide set of steps that resulted from Operation Granger. At the time, the British police had announced the identification of 41 suspects, 12 of them British nationals. These were also referenced through the analysis of traffic data. Apart from Portugal, Scotland Yard submitted letters rogatory to thirty other countries, most of them European countries. All these steps have a practical purpose for the English: to scrutinize all hypotheses until exhaustion so that, in case suspicions are not confirmed, any conclusion will be fully supported.

Q&A

How can a foreign police make an investigation in Portugal? They cannot. Therefore, as in this case, the authorities of the countries who want any type of investigative step to be pursued in another State must submit a request expressed in the designated letter rogatory, asking for the intended judicial assistance.

Who executes the request for judicial assistance of a foreign police? Letters rogatory are addressed to the Attorney General's Office (PGR), which analyses them and then decides on their admissibility. Once accepted, the Attorney General's Office sends them to the court in the area where the requested steps will be carried out. Then it is up to prosecutors of the Public Ministry to appoint which police authority will perform them, almost always the Judiciary Police, since most crimes subject to letters rogatory pertain to the investigative field that is the area of competence of that police force.

What if the requested investigation steps have already been carried out in other investigations made in that country? The investigative steps that are required to be accepted by the Attorney General's Office cannot have taken place under the scope of other investigations. When, for example, a search is requested for a specific place or when it is requested that a suspect is questioned which in the view of the requesting authority may have an important testimony to the resolution of a case, and those steps have to be done for the first time.

Can foreign police officers question or arrest suspects or make searches in Portugal? Not in any way. The entire execution of the investigative steps requested in letters rogatory must be the responsibility of the national criminal police force in the country of destination. In this case, in the application for judicial assistance that was sent to the PGR, where the Scotland Yard asks for three suspects to be questioned, it will be the PJ inspectors that will lead that questioning. The questions have to come previously outlined in the letter rogatory. The English police officers may attend the session but they cannot intervene.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/01/british-police-want-to-question-three.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 01:51:28 PM
He did and that was a mistake in my view but he isn't named on the writ and that part of the book is irrelevant to the Lisbon court.

Only for now.  Who knows who else will bring a Writ later?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
The desperation is palpable.  Don't look at three convicted burglars.  Look at a perfectly decent man against whom there is no proof at all.

Portugal has just cooked it's own goose, courtesy of it's gutter press.  Well done.  Amaral is a dead duck.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 02:17:11 PM
The desperation is palpable.  Don't look at three convicted burglars.  Look at a perfectly decent man against whom there is no proof at all.

Portugal has just cooked it's own goose, courtesy of it's gutter press.  Well done.  Amaral is a dead duck.

Amaral Goldstein 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 30, 2014, 02:27:08 PM
What has Amaral got to do with the article being discussed  ?

I raised the same question icabod and didn't have a response. I think the answer is sweet Felicity Arkwright. Dr Amaral round here seems to be like Oliver Cromwell in The Republic of Ireland; like if it's duff he was responsible.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 30, 2014, 02:34:09 PM
Yes,
 
I was just pointing out that just because not a single victim has ever been found doesn't prove undoubtedly that there have been none.

Maybe they don't want to come forward,

look at the current cases like William Roache, Dave Lee Travis & Rolf Harris, none of their alleged 'victims' bothered to come forward for 20 odd years or until they could make a decent amount of cash out of their lies.

We don't know this at the moment, WS...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on January 30, 2014, 02:40:53 PM
I raised the same question icabod and didn't have a response. I think the answer is sweet Felicity Arkwright. Dr Amaral round here seems to be like Oliver Cromwell in The Republic of Ireland; like if it's duff he was responsible.
There's a deficit of sense of humour on this forum like in fairy tales where the part of the big bad wolf is a must. In this tale it should be the abductor, but it isn't, likely because in fact there's none... The hero tried to save the princess but didn't succeed. Instead of becoming an anti-hero, he became the figure of evil.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 02:51:04 PM
I'm glad you cleared that up, Anne.

I was just going to ask you about what you thought the article was getting at. It is hard to tell from the English translation, which is fantastical in places.

Ironic or otherwise, it does begin (in the English version at least) with the words ' Police have a suspect'. This is not ironic, it is factually incorrect.

So is it really such an innocent piece of work?

What, do you mean like uk headlnes such as "Maddie found in Ireland"? Although granted the two are chalk and cheese, one is patently ridiculous, the other a more serious one

I dont know the reasons this article, or rather the end comment was printed,but how is it libel to repeat what a witness said in their statement?

It is true, whether the witness was mistaken or not in their thoughts is a different issue,and it nothing to do with forum myths or internet posters' opinions

Ps JP why should the whole thread be deleted? Im sure you meant culled though......

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 02:53:24 PM
There's a deficit of sense of humour on this forum like in fairy tales where the part of the big bad wolf is a must. In this tale it should be the abductor, but it isn't, likely because in fact there's none... The hero tried to save the princess but didn't succeed. Instead of becoming an anti-hero, he became the figure of evil.

For some and how patently ridiculous it all is

 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 02:57:16 PM
Maddie: Three former Ocean Club employees ‘suspects’

British police to quiz the trio


GERARD COUZENS – 30 JANUARY 2014

BRITISH police suspect three former Ocean Club employees over Madeleine McCann's disappearance, Portugal's biggest-selling newspaper claimed today.


Leading daily Correio da Manha said Met officers met Portuguese detectives in Faro this week to ask them to quiz the unnamed trio, search their homes and probe their bank accounts.

The three suspects detectives in London have their eye on are thought to have been linked to a string of burglaries at the Algarve holiday complex before Madeleine went missing.

Portuguese police chiefs confirmed a three-hour meeting between Policia Judiciaria bosses and  a Met team led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had taken place on Tuesday - but refused to say what had been discussed.

Correio da Manha reported today: "The British police want the Portuguese authorities to interrogate and search the homes of three former Ocean Club employees.

"They also requested access to the bank accounts of the three suspects to see if there were any large deposits made after the child disappeared."

The newspaper said the requests were contained in a second 'International Letter of Request' from British authorities which Portugal's Attorney General confirmed it had received last week and said it would be sending to a court in the Algarve resort of Portimao tasked with the reopened investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

The Mark Warner-run Ocean Club had around 130 Portuguese employees and some 30 British employees when Madeleine went missing on May 3 2007.

All the British employees are understood to have left.

Last October it emerged Portuguese police had questioned the family of a former Ocean Club worker with a theft conviction.

Former colleagues say Euclides Monteiro, 40, was asked to leave his job at the holiday club where the McCanns stayed after taking tips meant to be shared with other waiters.

Portuguese police are said to discovered from mobile phone tracking that he was near the Ocean Club when Madeleine disappeared, even though he was no longer working there at the time and was living in Lagos a 15 minute drive away.

Monteiro, an immigrant from Cape Verde, died in a  tractor accident in 2009.

The three new suspects the Met Police are targeting are said to have had made a number of phone calls to each other around the time Madeleine disappeared.

There were reports of several break-ins at the Ocean Club in the weeks running up to her disappearance.

One theory is that burglars raided the McCanns' apartment and were panicked into snatching the youngster, then three, when she woke up.

The Policia Judiciaria and Portugal's Attorney General have both refused to comment on the content of Tuesday's meeting at the PJ's Faro HQ.

A spokesman for the PJ, the force investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance in Portugal, said in a statement: "The PJ confirms a meeting has taken place in Faro between British and Portuguese authorities within the framework of the execution of an International Letter of Request.

"However the PJ will not be commenting on the content of this meeting."

Almeida Rodrigues, the PJ's National Director, added: "We cannot say anything else because when we cooperate with our British colleagues within the framework of an 'International Letter of Request', we are bound by professional secrecy."

The McCanns' lawyer in Portugal, Rogerio Alves, said he was aware Scotland Yard wanted to question three suspects but played down reports arrests were imminent, describing the idea as "improbable."

The Met Police team flew back to the UK yesterday afternoon/on Wednesday afternoon declining to comment.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/maddie-three-former-ocean-club-employees-suspects-29964890.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 03:05:53 PM
I don't understand this bit in bold: Does this mean if they were questioned by PJ back in 2007 then  they cannot be questioned again???

As I understand it, it doesn't necessarily mean that people weren't interviewed at all at the time (although some apparently weren't), as information had presumably been shared about what had been done and not. A further analysis of data and a comparison with statements at the time could reveal new lines of enquiry requiring further questioning.

Some of the interviews really didn't go very far:
"Did you notice anything relevant to the child's disappearance?"
"No."
"Where were you that evening?"
"At home."
"Ok."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 30, 2014, 03:19:57 PM
There's a deficit of sense of humour on this forum like in fairy tales where the part of the big bad wolf is a must. In this tale it should be the abductor, but it isn't, likely because in fact there's none... The hero tried to save the princess but didn't succeed. Instead of becoming an anti-hero, he became the figure of evil.


I think I understand what you mean  8(>((.
Vanishes in puff of green smoke ....  poof
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 03:25:13 PM
Portugal needs to get it's act together.  Thick or what?  Or are they trying to bury Amaral?  Who needs friends?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 03:26:53 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548690/British-McCann-detectives-ask-warrants-search-homes-three-Portuguese-burglary-suspects-inspect-bank-details.html

Daily Mail is first British paper reporting on the 'burglars' being ex Ocean Club workers and the SY requesting searches of their houses and bank accounts for the time Madeleine went missing..

They are quoting today's Correio da Manha..

Strangely, there is only one comment to this article  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
It's you who has inflamed discussion of the article on this forum to be fair. It would have been forgotten by now without your complaints.

Indeed. the level of faux indignation is positivley frightening.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on January 30, 2014, 03:29:11 PM
Indeed. the level of faux indignation is positivley frightening.

she is known  for being like that though 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 30, 2014, 04:08:16 PM
The article in the Correio da Manhã today is indeed libellous towards one of the tapas-9 and in very bad taste.  As such all references to the subject of this allegation have been removed.

The Gasper statements have been discussed at length elsewhere on the forum.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 04:14:15 PM

Thank you, John.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on January 30, 2014, 04:28:51 PM
The article in the Correio da Manhã today is indeed libellous towards one of the tapas-9 and in very bad taste.  As such all references to the subject of this allegation have been removed.

The Gasper statements have been discussed at length elsewhere on the forum.

However "humorous" that was deemed to be in Portuguese circles, I find that you did the right thing and deleted it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 04:34:07 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2548690/British-McCann-detectives-ask-warrants-search-homes-three-Portuguese-burglary-suspects-inspect-bank-details.html

Daily Mail is first British paper reporting on the 'burglars' being ex Ocean Club workers and the SY requesting searches of their houses and bank accounts for the time Madeleine went missing..

They are quoting today's Correio da Manha..

Strangely, there is only one comment to this article  @)(++(*

Only 1 allowed through so far, bet there are plenty waiting in the moderated wings, sying something, like, not again! A whole month of reporting this over inflated nonsense.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 04:43:40 PM
Only 1 allowed through so far, bet there are plenty waiting in the moderated wings, sying something, like, not again! A whole month of reporting this over inflated nonsense.

From the Mail article:

The McCanns' lawyer in Portugal, Rogerio Alves, said he was aware Scotland Yard wanted to question three suspects but played down reports arrests were imminent, describing the idea as 'improbable.'

>@@(*&)

I bet he doesn't get a headline.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 04:46:48 PM
From the Mail article:

The McCanns' lawyer in Portugal, Rogerio Alves, said he was aware Scotland Yard wanted to question three suspects but played down reports arrests were imminent, describing the idea as 'improbable.'

>@@(*&)

I bet he doesn't get a headline.


 @)(++(*


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 04:56:05 PM
From the Mail article:

The McCanns' lawyer in Portugal, Rogerio Alves, said he was aware Scotland Yard wanted to question three suspects but played down reports arrests were imminent, describing the idea as 'improbable.'

>@@(*&)

I bet he doesn't get a headline.

But he hasn't said anything Libellous, has he.

All I am aware of is that The PJ has to look into this.  Not difficult since they obviously have the names.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 04:59:01 PM
But he hasn't said anything Libellous, has he.

All I am aware of is that The PJ has to look into this.  Not difficult since they obviously have the names.

Of course they have to check it out. All we're saying is that for 28 days now the papers have been hyping it, and apparently with no objections from any interested parties. Quite the contrary I think.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2014, 05:09:39 PM
Of course they have to check it out. All we're saying is that for 28 days now the papers have been hyping it, and apparently with no objections from any interested parties. Quite the contrary I think.

Well, its only Johnnie Foreigner and they haven't actually been named, so no problem  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 05:11:27 PM
Of course they have to check it out. All we're saying is that for 28 days now the papers have been hyping it, and apparently with no objections from any interested parties. Quite the contrary I think.

And hyping it from no other source than the usual "source"

Lying Pinky poo and co
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2014, 05:16:26 PM
I must say I get irritated by this constant referral to burglars, when neither police force has ever mentioned that that is so - pure spin.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 05:18:03 PM
Of course they have to check it out. All we're saying is that for 28 days now the papers have been hyping it, and apparently with no objections from any interested parties. Quite the contrary I think.

There isn't anywhere they can run to.  And running wouldn't be a good idea anyway. 
Whoever these people are, I very much doubt that they know where Madeleine is now, or who commissioned the crime, so they won't get any help there.  They can now only stick in there and bluff it out, which actually might not be all that difficult.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 05:18:53 PM
Well, its only Johnnie Foreigner and they haven't actually been named, so no problem  8)--))

I guess so. It's all part of the game, jassi. I guess we're naive to think the papers are at all interested in reporting accurately 8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 05:21:20 PM
I must say I get irritated by this constant referral to burglars, when neither police force has ever mentioned that that is so - pure spin.

Nothing new since 2007 then from the british press then obviously and boringly
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 30, 2014, 05:22:39 PM
Nothing new since 2007 then from the british press then obviously and boringly

And this news is from the British press?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on January 30, 2014, 05:22:43 PM
Maddie: Three former Ocean Club employees ‘suspects’

British police to quiz the trio


GERARD COUZENS – 30 JANUARY 2014

Snio


"They also requested access to the bank accounts of the three suspects to see if there were any large deposits made after the child disappeared."


Snip


Seems a little rich.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 30, 2014, 05:22:51 PM
And hyping it from no other source than the usual "source"

Lying Pinky poo and co


Are you referring to Mr "One Trick Pony"?.
It is rather droll that after 28 days with no result the McCann lawyer and McCann "source" seem to be on different pages of the script.
I'd be inclined to fire one of them!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 05:27:20 PM
There isn't anywhere they can run to.  And running wouldn't be a good idea anyway. 
Whoever these people are, I very much doubt that they know where Madeleine is now, or who commissioned the crime, so they won't get any help there.  They can now only stick in there and bluff it out, which actually might not be all that difficult.

I think they (assuming they do exist) probably know there will be other 'potential suspects' being hyped soon enough.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 05:28:03 PM
And this news is from the British press?

every inch of the way the link between burglars and sy interviewing people
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 05:49:13 PM
The Met are back home but Brunty's still in Portugal? >@@(*&)

He's still reporting with absolutely nothing to say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 05:50:47 PM
I think they (assuming they do exist) probably know there will be other 'potential suspects' being hyped soon enough.

They actually just need to come up with a reason for all of their phone traffic at that crucial time.  And I have already come up with half a dozen reasons.  Don't call me, I will call you.  Prove I am lying.

The only problem that might arise is from them coming up with different reasons, although I expect that they will have gotten together to work it out by now.  I just hope they didn't do it by phone, or in the presence of witnesses.
So suddenly it becomes a bit more difficult.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 30, 2014, 05:51:33 PM
I must say I get irritated by this constant referral to burglars, when neither police force has ever mentioned that that is so - pure spin.

You raise an important point jassi

The only  source  I can find for the  'burglars'  story is our very own Heriberto  Janosch,  who was quoted in the Express as  having  'urged'  Scotland Yard to track these burglars down

I have asked Heriberto several times  what he hoped to achieve by going to the British press with his 'burglary gone wrong'  theory,  and whether or not  the McCanns were aware of it,  but,  as yet,  he has declined to answer 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 05:53:49 PM
The Met are back home but Brunty's still in Portugal? >@@(*&)

He's still reporting with absolutely nothing to say.

LOL bless his cotton socks
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 05:54:07 PM
They actually just need to come up with a reason for all of their phone traffic at that crucial time.  And I have already come up with half a dozen reasons.  Don't call me, I will call you.  Prove I am lying.

The only problem that might arise is from them coming up with different reasons, although I expect that they will have gotten together to work it out by now.  I just hope they didn't do it by phone, or in the presence of witnesses.
So suddenly it becomes a bit more difficult.

And what happens if they follow the precedents in this case and say nothing? What then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 05:56:04 PM
LOL bless his cotton socks

He's doing his best for the cause though (be that the Met's or otherwise). At times if you close your eyes it could almost be his Royal Pinkness speaking 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 05:56:20 PM
You raise an important point jassi

The only  source  I can find for the  'burglars'  story is our very own Heriberto  Janosch,  who was quoted in the Express as  having  'urged'  Scotland Yard to track these burglars down

I have asked Heriberto several times  what he hoped to achieve by going to the British press with his 'burglary gone wrong'  theory,  and whether or not  the McCanns were aware of it,  but,  as yet,  he has declined to answer

Oh yea forgot about that little bit but was later than all the three burglars stories
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 05:57:48 PM
 8)-)))
He's doing his best for the cause though (be that the Met's or otherwise). At times if you close your eyes it could almost be his Royal Pinkness speaking 8)--))

no, no, no, no comparison!

he is as honest and professional as he can be

pinky is a paid spin doctor
andeveryone knows what that means in reality...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 05:58:29 PM
And what happens if they follow the precedents in this case and say nothing? What then?

They become Arguidos.  Nothing wrong with that.  Everyone else is doing it, including Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 05:59:39 PM
no, no, no, no comparison!

@)(++(*

I'll go and tweet an apology to Martin.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 06:01:05 PM
@)(++(*

I'll go and tweet an apology to Martin.

Do LOL


hes lovely
eta no doubt he has his orders but he blends it all very very well imo ;)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 30, 2014, 06:07:14 PM
The Met are back home but Brunty's still in Portugal? >@@(*&)

He's still reporting with absolutely nothing to say.

Back already?   What an incredible waste of money...no wonder this country is on its knees!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 06:10:44 PM
Do LOL


hes lovely
eta no doubt he has his orders but he blends it all very very well imo ;)

>@@(*&) I guess he does have a certain suaveness. If he was French, he'd probably be in movies.

He can certainly talk 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 30, 2014, 06:13:08 PM
You raise an important point jassi

The only  source  I can find for the  'burglars'  story is our very own Heriberto  Janosch,  who was quoted in the Express as  having  'urged'  Scotland Yard to track these burglars down

I have asked Heriberto several times  what he hoped to achieve by going to the British press with his 'burglary gone wrong'  theory,  and whether or not  the McCanns were aware of it,  but,  as yet,  he has declined to answer

Afraid Heriberto is very much out on a limb on this one.  A burglary goes wrong...   what's the first thing a burglar does?  He scarpers.    Taking a child would only slow him down and could very well attract attention.  A definite no no !!

Reading between the lines and according to Brunty, looks like former Ocean Club employees have been pilfering from the apartments.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 06:15:35 PM
You raise an important point jassi

The only  source  I can find for the  'burglars'  story is our very own Heriberto  Janosch,  who was quoted in the Express as  having  'urged'  Scotland Yard to track these burglars down

I have asked Heriberto several times  what he hoped to achieve by going to the British press with his 'burglary gone wrong'  theory,  and whether or not  the McCanns were aware of it,  but,  as yet,  he has declined to answer

James Murray may have just read his blog, or seen him tweeting (he was tweeting his theory a lot at one point).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 06:16:09 PM
This has nothing to do with my post; nor with the price of kippers come to that.

It is sometimes difficult to know what your posts are all about.  You and some others.  But never mind.  One keeps on trying to hit the spot.  Otherwise every thread would sink into fantasy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 06:18:41 PM
Afraid Heriberto is very much out on a limb on this one.  A burglary goes wrong...   what's the first thing a burglar does?  He scarpers.    Taking a child would only slow him down and could very well attract attention.  A definite no no !!

Reading between the lines and according to Brunty, looks like former Ocean Club employees have been pilfering from the apartments.

He was saying things like that yesterday, tossing in some statistics he said he'd got from somewhere he didn't really explain, or I didn't catch the explanation. But if those statistics are real why did nobody know about them in 2007? >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 06:20:19 PM
Afraid Heriberto is very much out on a limb on this one.  A burglary goes wrong...   what's the first thing a burglar does?  He scarpers.    Taking a child would only slow him down and could very well attract attention.  A definite no no !!

Reading between the lines and according to Brunty, looks like former Ocean Club employees have been pilfering from the apartments.

And it never crossed your mind that a House Breaker might have been coerced into more lucrative gain?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 06:23:52 PM
And it never crossed your mind that a House Breaker might have been coerced into more lucrative gain?

That isn't the scenario that was suggested in the January 3rd Mail article.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 06:30:10 PM
That isn't the scenario that was suggested in the January 3rd Mail article.

What has The Mail article got to do with burglars deliberately stealing a child?  Scotland Yard aren't after them for a couple of passports  and a few holiday bits and pieces.

Why can you not see that burglars might have deliberately set out to steal a child?  No one knows better how to break into property and get away undetected.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 30, 2014, 06:31:53 PM
What has The Mail article got to do with burglars deliberately stealing a child?  Scotland Yard aren't after them for a couple of passports  and a few holiday bits and pieces.

Why can you not see that burglars might have deliberately set out to steal a child?  No one knows better how to break into property and get away undetected.

Who's is fantasy land now ?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 06:36:15 PM
Who's is fantasy land now ?  @)(++(*

Why is it Fantasy Land?  Burglars steal things.  Or are you suggesting that they have some sort of moral compass?
What is so difficult about this possibility?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 30, 2014, 06:37:03 PM
What has The Mail article got to do with burglars deliberately stealing a child?  Scotland Yard aren't after them for a couple of passports  and a few holiday bits and pieces.

Why can you not see that burglars might have deliberately set out to steal a child?  No one knows better how to break into property and get away undetected.

Child abductors are a very rare breed Eleanor.  It isn't beyond the bounds of possibility that a burglar could also be one but three in the same village is pushing it too far.  A burglar would be just as horrified at child abduction as any other person.

Why is it Fantasy Land?  Burglars steal things.  Or are you suggesting that they have some sort of moral compass?
What is so difficult about this possibility?

Yes...they do have a moral compass Eleanor.  Burglars are not child abusers by default.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 06:37:06 PM
What has The Mail article got to do with burglars deliberately stealing a child?  Scotland Yard aren't after them for a couple of passports  and a few holiday bits and pieces.

Why can you not see that burglars might have deliberately set out to steal a child?  No one knows better how to break into property and get away undetected.

If what we've been told is true, who needed to break in?

The Mail article was clearly written with close police involvement, so that must be the scenario they have - not a planned kidnapping.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 30, 2014, 06:37:49 PM
With thanks to sal and Astro ...

Correio da Manhã

(Translated by Astro)

30.01.2014

English ask for ‘Maddie’ case bank accounts
CM surprised English inspectors at the airport.

Image

----------------------------------------------------------------

(Thanks to Astro for the paper edition and translation)

English ask for bank accounts

The English police wants the Portuguese authorities to question former Ocean Club employees and to analyse deposits after the disappearance

by Rui Pando Gomes

The English police wants the Portuguese authorities to question and to search the houses of three former employees of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, in 2007. The British have also asked for access to the three suspected men’s bank accounts, to find out if there were high deposits after the English child’s disappearance.

These are some of the diligences that are requested in the second rogatory letter that was sent to Portugal and that were discussed during a meeting, the day before yesterday, between four Scotland Yard officers and a PJ team, in Faro.

The questioning of the three former employees is deemed relevant, by the British, because they made several phone calls on the night of the disappearance.

Among the British police officers was chief inspector Andy Redwood, who coordinates the investigation that was opened in England. Leading the Portuguese team was Luís Mota Carmo, the head of the PJ in Faro.

The PJ’s national director, Almeida Rodrigues, confirmed that a meeting took place within the “fulfilment of the rogatory letter that was sent by the British authorities”. Concerning the subjects under discussion the PJ “makes no comment”.

The four members of the English police team, as the images that were captured by CM [Correio da Manhã] prove, returned to England yesterday afternoon, on a flight from Faro Airport.

To CM, a former Ocean Club employee revealed that the PJ “questioned all of the workers two days after the disappearance”. On the other hand, she believes that “it makes no sense that someone is a suspect just because he made many phone calls that night”.

Details

The Ocean Club had approximately 130 Portuguese and about 30 English workers. The latter are not in Portugal anymore.

Out of the 130 Ocean Club employees, presently only about ten remain. The others were dismissed.

Some of the dismissed workers, CM was able to establish, received high compensations.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 30, 2014, 06:39:06 PM
It is sometimes difficult to know what your posts are all about. You and some others.  But never mind.  One keeps on trying to hit the spot.  Otherwise every thread would sink into fantasy.
Simple really
Mr "One Trick Pony" = Clarence Mitchell
McCann spokesman = Clarence Mitchell
MCcann Lawyer = Rogerio Alves
Now join up the dots and the words and you should wind up with a picture of Dickey Donkey if you do it right. If you do it wrong you wind up with something looking like cooked spaghetti.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 30, 2014, 06:52:13 PM
Child abductors are a very rare breed Eleanor.  It isn't beyond the bounds of possibility that a burglar could also be one but three in the same village is pushing it too far.  A burglar would be just as horrified at child abduction as any other person.

Yes...they do have a moral compass Eleanor.  Burglars are not child abusers by default.

Oh, I see.  You know about this, do you?

PS.  Did they all come from the same village?  I don't think so.  That is why they were spotted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 06:56:25 PM
Simple really
Mr "One Trick Pony" = Clarence Mitchell
McCann spokesman = Clarence Mitchell
MCcann Lawyer = Rogerio Alves
Now join up the dots and the words and you should wind up with a picture of Dickey Donkey if you do it right. If you do it wrong you wind up with something looking like cooked spaghetti.

LMAO! Thats "libellous" against cooks!!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2014, 06:58:14 PM
Oh, I see.  You know about this, do you?

PS.  Did they all come from the same village?  I don't think so.  That is why they were spotted.

Get real.

Who was spotted ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2014, 07:02:04 PM
Simple really
Mr "One Trick Pony" = Clarence Mitchell
McCann spokesman = Clarence Mitchell
MCcann Lawyer = Rogerio Alves
Now join up the dots and the words and you should wind up with a picture of Dickey Donkey if you do it right. If you do it wrong you wind up with something looking like cooked spaghetti.

I think there is absolute desperation to hide the fact that as the investigation unfolds further the McCanns are being seen as victims of a crime by more and more people. Avoid the facts and post stupid jokes hoping that you can block out the truth
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2014, 07:27:57 PM
I think there is absolute desperation to hide the fact that as the investigation unfolds further the McCanns are being seen as victims of a crime by more and more people. Avoid the facts and post stupid jokes hoping that you can block out the truth

No, the victim is Madeleine.


FOR THE UMPTEENTH  TIME, MADELEINE 'DISAPPEARED' AS A RESULT OF HER PARENTS INACTIONS. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL CHANGE THAT ULTIMATE TRUTH.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2014, 07:34:18 PM
No, the victim is Madeleine.


FOR THE UMPTEENTH  TIME, MADELEINE 'DISAPPEARED' AS A RESULT OF HER PARENTS INACTIONS. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL CHANGE THAT ULTIMATE TRUTH.

ultimate truth...have you been reading the bible and taking drugs...I have an opinion...look it up in your dictionary
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2014, 07:37:37 PM
ultimate truth...have you been reading the bible and taking drugs...I have an opinion...look it up in your dictionary

Boring davel, very boring.



P.S. I'll leave the use of recreational substances to you. 8)-)))

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2014, 07:46:14 PM
Boring davel, very boring.



P.S. I'll leave the use of recreational substances to you. 8)-)))

On two threads...when you were not involved in the discussion...where I am responding to "attacks" from another poster ...you decide to barge in..giving your opinion in massive capital letters with posts directed at me wishing to deny me my opinion...

what do you really expect in return

Plus....the McCannns are a victim of a crime...they are also victims of internet abuse
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2014, 07:51:24 PM
On two threads...when you were not involved in the discussion...where I am responding to "attacks" from another poster ...you decide to barge in..giving your opinion in massive capital letters with posts directed at me wishing to deny me my opinion...

what do you really expect in return

Plus....the McCannns are a victim of a crime...they are also victims of internet abuse

I hate to disappoint you, but this is a free forum.

I don't have to ask your permission to post.

I know you like giving orders, but your delusions are getting out of control.

Meanwhile as to a crime, the mccanns initiated the events that led to Madeleine's disappearance, and nothing you can say will change that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 07:53:18 PM
No, the victim is Madeleine.


FOR THE UMPTEENTH  TIME, MADELEINE 'DISAPPEARED' AS A RESULT OF HER PARENTS INACTIONS. NOTHING YOU CAN SAY WILL CHANGE THAT ULTIMATE TRUTH.

No evidence at all why and how she disappeared....no evidece of abduction as confirmed by the FOreign and Commonwealth Office and also confirmed by the Public prosecutor in Portugal


Ergo anyone who says she was abducted needs go put their money where theirmouth is as no official body  has ever said she was abducted
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2014, 07:56:38 PM
No evidence at all why and how she disappeared....no evidece of abduction as confirmed by the FOreign and Commonwealth Office and also confirmed by the Public prosecutor in Portugal


Ergo anyone who says she was abducted needs go put their money where theirmouth is as no official body  has ever said she was abducted

Indeed.

The F.C.O. lists Madeleine''s disappearance, as 'type of crime unknown'
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 30, 2014, 08:04:59 PM
Indeed.

The F.C.O. lists Madeleine''s disappearance, as 'type of crime unknown'

No Stephen its the PT authorities that have said type of crime unknown and indeed that is what they  concluded officialy, but but the British authorities hve Madleine classed as " missing" rather than abducted as they say there is no evidence she was abducted

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/07/madeleine-mccann-is-missing-person.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 30, 2014, 08:16:09 PM
No Stephen its the PT authorities that have said type of crime unknown and indeed that is what they  concluded officialy, but but the British authorities hve Madleine classed as " missing" rather than abducted as they say there is no evidence she was abducted

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2010/07/madeleine-mccann-is-missing-person.html

Thank you for the correction Redblossom.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 30, 2014, 09:33:26 PM
I think there is absolute desperation to hide the fact that as the investigation unfolds further the McCanns are being seen as victims of a crime by more and more people. Avoid the facts and post stupid jokes hoping that you can block out the truth

To paraphrase Bob Dylan you make it mean whatever you want to I was taking the p**s out of a particularly inane comment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 30, 2014, 09:37:31 PM
I hate to disappoint you, but this is a free forum.

I don't have to ask your permission to post.

I know you like giving orders, but your delusions are getting out of control.

Meanwhile as to a crime, the mccanns initiated the events that led to Madeleine's disappearance, and nothing you can say will change that.

of course they did stephen...coudnt agree more...if kate had not given birth to maddie none of this would have happened
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 30, 2014, 10:31:27 PM
With thanks to sal and Astro ...

Correio da Manhã

(Translated by Astro)

30.01.2014

English ask for ‘Maddie’ case bank accounts
CM surprised English inspectors at the airport.

Image

----------------------------------------------------------------

(Thanks to Astro for the paper edition and translation)

English ask for bank accounts

The English police wants the Portuguese authorities to question former Ocean Club employees and to analyse deposits after the disappearance

by Rui Pando Gomes

The English police wants the Portuguese authorities to question and to search the houses of three former employees of the Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, in 2007. The British have also asked for access to the three suspected men’s bank accounts, to find out if there were high deposits after the English child’s disappearance.

These are some of the diligences that are requested in the second rogatory letter that was sent to Portugal and that were discussed during a meeting, the day before yesterday, between four Scotland Yard officers and a PJ team, in Faro.

The questioning of the three former employees is deemed relevant, by the British, because they made several phone calls on the night of the disappearance.

Among the British police officers was chief inspector Andy Redwood, who coordinates the investigation that was opened in England. Leading the Portuguese team was Luís Mota Carmo, the head of the PJ in Faro.

The PJ’s national director, Almeida Rodrigues, confirmed that a meeting took place within the “fulfilment of the rogatory letter that was sent by the British authorities”. Concerning the subjects under discussion the PJ “makes no comment”.

The four members of the English police team, as the images that were captured by CM [Correio da Manhã] prove, returned to England yesterday afternoon, on a flight from Faro Airport.

To CM, a former Ocean Club employee revealed that the PJ “questioned all of the workers two days after the disappearance”. On the other hand, she believes that “it makes no sense that someone is a suspect just because he made many phone calls that night”.

Details

The Ocean Club had approximately 130 Portuguese and about 30 English workers. The latter are not in Portugal anymore.

Out of the 130 Ocean Club employees, presently only about ten remain. The others were dismissed.

Some of the dismissed workers, CM was able to establish, received high compensations.

The British have also asked for access to the three suspected men’s bank accounts, to find out if there were high deposits after the English child’s disappearance.

Seems SY are thinking that Madeleine was either abducted by commision .... or the abductors knew of a wealthy ready buyer.

Just as Eleanor and I have thought possible for yonks.  Someone else too, was it VIXTE?

Watch this spot.   Eleanor is especially astute
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Air Con on January 30, 2014, 10:35:04 PM

Plus....the McCannns are a victim of a crime..

Are they?

What was it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 11:30:35 PM
The Mirror front page tomorrow must be the biggest font size ever... it's terrifying!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 11:34:52 PM
Ok, maybe not. But I think we get the message now.

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BfQv8twCEAAAO0h.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 11:40:43 PM
I know what I think: the larger the font size the more this looks like a PR/propaganda campaign. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 30, 2014, 11:43:58 PM
I know what I think: the larger the font size the more this looks like a PR/propaganda campaign. >@@(*&)

Have to agree with you with that one as well, Lyall!  ?{)(**


Though having said that, isn't it odd that SY seem to be focusing on both Smithman and the three burglars / OC staff.

What's the connection?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 30, 2014, 11:57:23 PM
No excuse whatsoever, Lyall

Morally deficient and criminal.

toerag !

I really think the xenophobia was the bigger crime, Sadie. And on a hugely bigger scale of course.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 12:00:17 AM
Have to agree with you with that one as well, Lyall!  ?{)(**


Though having said that, isn't it odd that SY seem to be focusing on both Smithman and the three burglars / OC staff.

What's the connection?

Haven't they forgotten about 10pm man already? The man who never was isn't again. Double efit man got the Met out of a jam when they had nothing else to say on Crimewatch but now they and the press appear to have dumped him again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 12:17:38 AM
Haven't they forgotten about 10pm man already? The man who never was isn't again. Double efit man got the Met out of a jam when they had nothing else to say on Crimewatch but now they and the press appear to have dumped him again.

It certainly appears that way.

But does that mean that the 'revelation moment' is over? 

Or could there be a connection between the three men being looked at here and the 'new' timeline?

Looking at Smithman - from what we know of him - there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be an OC employee or burglar, is there? So there's not an inherent contradiction in the stories; just interesting to note that one seems to have followed the other in such quick succession.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 12:28:13 AM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/1/30/285870/default/v1/express-1-329x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
It certainly appears that way.

But does that mean that the 'revelation moment' is over? 

Or could there be a connection between the three men being looked at here and the 'new' timeline?

Looking at Smithman - from what we know of him - there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be an OC employee or burglar, is there? So there's not an inherent contradiction in the stories; just interesting to note that one seems to have followed the other in such quick succession.

We don't know anything about any of them so anything is possible, but why aren't the papers showing the double efits anymore then? I'm very cynical - they never bothered with the Smith sighting before October and they're not bothering now.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 31, 2014, 12:40:36 AM
We don't know anything about any of them so anything is possible, but why aren't the papers showing the double efits anymore then? I'm very cynical - they never bothered with the Smith sighting before October and they're not bothering now.
Perhaps they already have got the efit guy?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 12:41:33 AM
We don't know anything about any of them so anything is possible, but why aren't the papers showing the double efits anymore then? I'm very cynical - they never bothered with the Smith sighting before October and they're not bothering now.

Maybe the Smithsman was the person Madeleine was given to.. while on the other side she was removed from OC by ex workers..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 12:46:08 AM
Perhaps they already have got the efit guy?

>@@(*&) Maybe...

8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 12:50:44 AM
Perhaps they already have got the efit guy?

Perhaps... and as VIXTE suggests, they could all be part of the same 'team'...

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on January 31, 2014, 12:51:54 AM
Maybe the Smithsman was the person Madeleine was given to.. while on the other side she was removed from OC by ex workers..

Very possibly.  With the change over being, maybe, at O.C. Staff quarters ?  The Staff quarters are just about 50 metres up the road from the first Smith sighting in Rua d'Escola
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 12:54:12 AM
We don't know anything about any of them so anything is possible, but why aren't the papers showing the double efits anymore then? I'm very cynical - they never bothered with the Smith sighting before October and they're not bothering now.

It is odd I agree that the Smith sighting appeared to be short lived in terms of SY's focus, but on the other hand, this was the 'revelation moment'.

If DCI Redwood was lacking something to say on Crimewatch, he would not have been wise to announce Smithman with such fanfare. Why not just say Smithman was one idea among many?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 12:57:39 AM
Very possibly.  With the change over being, maybe, at O.C. Staff quarters ?  The Staff quarters are just about 50 metres up the road from the first Smith sighting in Rua d'Escola

And the first dogs route? Suggesting that Madeleine walked around the block and to the parking area across the road of the OC reception.

The dogs route is the most confusing.

Another thing is : who says that these people are all men?

The early email to Prince Charles suggested it was an ex staff woman.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 31, 2014, 12:58:01 AM
It is odd I agree that the Smith sighting appeared to be short lived in terms of SY's focus, but on the other hand, this was the 'revelation moment'.

If DCI Redwood was lacking something to say on Crimewatch, he would not have been wise to announce Smithman with such fanfare. Why not just say Smithman was one idea among many?

The man the Smiths saw was not Redwoods  'revelation'  moment

He was refering to the discovery that the Man Jane Tanner saw was almost certainly an identified innocent father
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 12:59:31 AM
The man the Smiths saw was not Redwoods  'revelation'  moment

He was refering to the discovery that the Man Jane Tanner saw was almost certainly an identified innocent father

Oh.

I thought the 'revelation moment' was the idea that the timeline had been extended until much later in the evening...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 31, 2014, 01:01:20 AM
Oh.

I thought the 'revelation moment' was the idea that the timeline had been extended until much later in the evening...

The timeline changed  because  of the  'revelation'  that Jane Tanner did  not see Madeleine being abducted
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 01:04:34 AM
It is odd I agree that the Smith sighting appeared to be short lived in terms of SY's focus, but on the other hand, this was the 'revelation moment'.

If DCI Redwood was lacking something to say on Crimewatch, he would not have been wise to announce Smithman with such fanfare. Why not just say Smithman was one idea among many?

To counterbalance removing JT's man they needed something else big to splash, or at least something the uninformed public might think was big - something dramatic and visual. Crimewatch could have been a disaster otherwise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 01:05:43 AM
The timeline changed  because  of the  'revelation'  that Jane Tanner did  not see Madeleine being abducted

Yes, but the ideas are very closely connected nonetheless. Point is an awful lot of fanfare - a 'new' timeline and focus on Smithman - over what was essentially existing information.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 01:08:35 AM
To counterbalance removing JT's man they needed something else big to splash, or at least something the uninformed public might think was big - something dramatic and visual. Crimewatch could have been a disaster otherwise.

Think we mentioned this before, but why bother to do a Crimewatch if there's really nothing new to say?

Could Redwood afford to say something just for the sake of sounding like he had something to say, risking it becoming known that that was all there is too it?

Surely he is thinking further ahead than this. There will come a day of reckoning for Scotland Yard - perhaps not too far away now - when they will have to sit down and explain to the public exactly what their findings are, and what resources and at what cost have been used to get there. Making something up in the middle is not going to help him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 31, 2014, 01:09:45 AM
Yes, but the ideas are very closely connected nonetheless. Point is an awful lot of fanfare - a 'new' timeline and focus on Smithman - over what was essentially existing information.

I disagree

The theory that Jane Tanner had seen Madeleine being carried off by an abductor   (  whilst Gerry was talking to an independent witness  )   has been driven relentlessy for the last six years

Redwood was right  ...   dismissing that theory as wrong was a  huge  revelation
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 01:28:02 AM
I disagree

The theory that Jane Tanner had seen Madeleine being carried off by an abductor   (  whilst Gerry was talking to an independent witness  )   has been driven relentlessy for the last six years

Redwood was right  ...   dismissing that theory as wrong was a  huge  revelation

I'll have to think about that, icabod.

It's not as if Redwood dismissed the abduction theory as such. In fact he seemed eager to find a replacement for Tannerman in the person of Smithman - whom we had all known about for years. No revelations there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on January 31, 2014, 01:33:17 AM
I'll have to think about that, icabod.

It's not as if Redwood dismissed the abduction theory as such. In fact he seemed eager to find a replacement for Tannerman in the person of Smithman - whom we had all known about for years. No revelations there.

What's to think about  ?

Redwood does not believe the abduction story that the  McCanns have been pushing relentlessly for six years

There's nothing insignificant about that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 01:34:57 AM
Think we mentioned this before, but why bother to do a Crimewatch if there's really nothing new to say?

Could Redwood afford to say something just for the sake of sounding like he had something to say, risking it becoming known that that was all there is too it?

Surely he is thinking further ahead than this. There will come a day of reckoning for Scotland Yard - perhaps not too far away now - when they will have to sit down and explain to the public exactly what their findings are, and what resources and at what cost have been used to get there. Making something up in the middle is not going to help him.

He didn't make it up as we know the Smith family statements are real, but why will there be a day of reckoning? British police don't have to explain themselves, unless Parliament requests it. Will the press bother asking questions? It doesn't look like it at the moment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 01:38:17 AM
Has anyone tonight  seen a quote in news with "They are not just burglars - the situation is a bit more complicated"

I am sure I have seen this somewhere and would like to understand it better but now not available..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 01:41:14 AM
What's to think about  ?

Redwood does not believe the abduction story that the  McCanns have been pushing relentlessly for six years

There's nothing insignificant about that

It's not a case of not 'believing a story'. He has ruled out Tannerman because of evidence he claims to have. Nothing to do with belief.

The question is, is it really earth shattering news that one would-be abductor has been swapped for another would-be abductor we already knew about?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 01:46:45 AM
He didn't make it up as we know the Smith family statements are real, but why will there be a day of reckoning? British police don't have to explain themselves, unless Parliament requests it. Will the press bother asking questions? It doesn't look like it at the moment.

By a day of reckoning, I don't mean a formal process of any kind.

I mean that there will come a time when Scotland Yard's investigation will be brought to a conclusion - whatever that may mean - and at that point, people will expect some sort of explanation as to why the investigation has ended at that point and what has been done with resources hitherto.

I cannot imagine their being no public discussion on the costs and findings of this case after the fact. There has been so much interest and discussion hitherto, it is hard to imagine it all coming to an abrupt halt just because Scotland Yard bow out.

In the event of Scotland Yard presenting any conclusive findings, that will beg questions of all types.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 01:46:59 AM
Some new info

New turn in Madeleine case?
BY BRENDAN DE BEER, IN NEWS · 30-01-2014 14:52:00 · 0 COMMENTS
The search for Madeleine McCann took an interesting turn this week when it emerged on Thursday that police have now shifted their focus onto three former employees of the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz from where the British girl went missing almost seven years ago.

New turn in Madeleine case?
A number of reports in Portugal indicated that contrary to information contained in British tabloids in the past fortnight suggesting police were hot on the trail of a group of burglars, police were actually interested in speaking to three staff members who were at the resort the night Madeleine disappeared.
Sources close to the case told The Portugal News on Thursday that these individuals were of particular interest as they had made “an abnormally high number of mobile phone calls to areas outside the resort the night she went missing.”
The source explained that these calls were domestic, but unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the trio made domestic calls to areas of no geographical interest in the ensuing search.

The Portugal News was also told that the UK Metropolitan Police have made a formal request for Portuguese authorities to obtain access to the bank accounts of these three people who are so far classed as “persons of interest” and are not viewed as suspects.
House searches are also said to have been asked for by Scotland Yard. This procedure could take several days, if not weeks, and can be challenged by the targeted individuals.
Police were not willing to disclose the nationalities of the three former workers.
It is estimated that at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance on 3 May 2007, the Ocean Club was employing 130 Portuguese nationals and 30 Britons, though most of the latter group are believed to have left the country following the economic downturn and negative publicity Praia da Luz received at the time.
This information is amongst that contained in the second international letter of request sent by Scotland Yard to the Attorney-General’s Office in Lisbon.
The document is thought to have arrived at the Portimão Court on Monday, where prosecutors will have the task of instructing local PJ police detectives in the city to carry out the requests contained in the letter, should they be in agreement.
The next step will be for these three individuals to be contacted by PJ police for an interview at their earliest convenience.
It also appears that detectives at the PJ headquarters in Lisbon have not yet received a request from the team of British investigators to sit in on the questioning.
Without authorisation, the teamof British police officers, which includes fluent Portuguese speakers, will not be able to attend questioning.
These interviews will preferably take place at the PJ police stations in either Portimão or Faro, but can also be held at a local PSP or GNR police station should it suit the person of interest to do so.

Four Scotland Yard detectives, including Chief Inspector Andy Redwood paid a fleeting visit to Faro this week in a repeat of what has become a regular monthly meeting to discuss latest developments with their Portuguese colleagues and future joint plans of action.
They returned to Gatwick airport on Wednesday afternoon having been delayed in Faro for an hour due to industrial action by Portuguese air traffic controllers.
The four officers had met with Faro PJ chief Mota Carmo and Portimão PJ chief Ana Paula Rito. The four British detectives were never seen publicly with their Portuguese colleagues and enjoyed meals in their own company.
Portuguese authorities ordered the re-opening of the case into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann last October and immediately excluded the possibility of Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, of having had any involvement in their daughter’s disappearance.
A statement sent to The Portugal News explained: “The Public Prosecutor’s Office has determined the re-opening of the inquiry relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann following a proposal by the Polícia Judiciária and due to the presentation of new elements which justify the continuation of the investigation.”
While a case review has been underway in Portugal since January 2012, spearheaded by leading missing persons detective Helena Monteiro and her team in Oporto, official lines of inquiry were closed in the summer of 2008 by the Attorney-General’s office. At the time, the office said that the case would only be re-opened “should new evidence emerge.”
While Oporto detectives have been working on a review of existing evidence, six detectives from the PJ’s branch in Faro have been assisting their colleagues from Scotland Yard in the ambit of an international co-operation request based on the issuing of rogatory letters and international letters of request.
Reports late last year indicated that the PJ Police, perhaps as a result of headway made following a Crimewatch programme on the BBC, felt they had enough new evidence to initiate an official line of enquiry that could include the questioning of persons of interest and possible suspects.
It is believed the PJ team in Oporto uncovered shortcomings in the initial investigation conducted by their counterparts in the Algarve and were now actively pursuing the theory that Madeleine McCann was abducted from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.
Helena Monteiro and her four-man team of detectives, who were reportedly handed the case due to their expertise and neutrality, having never worked on it before, are also reported to be keen on speaking to a number of people who were never questioned during the first investigation led by inspectors in the Algarve.
At the time, sources close to the case in Portugal told The Portugal News that they support the Portuguese review in that they hope it will conclude “an investigation which was ended while still in its infancy.”
PJ police in Lisbon recently stressed in comments to The Portugal News that at this stage of the review, the PJ branches in Oporto and Faro are “working independently.

http://theportugalnews.com/news/new-turn-in-madeleine-case/30497#.UurEg1Whd88.twitter
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 01:51:20 AM
Has anyone tonight  seen a quote in news with "They are not just burglars - the situation is a bit more complicated"

I am sure I have seen this somewhere and would like to understand it better but now not available..

Searched a little but didn't find those exact words, VIXTE...sounds interesting though...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 01:55:01 AM
Searched a little but didn't find those exact words, VIXTE...sounds interesting though...

I found it.. it was Martin Brunt .. speaking tonight.. nothing new.. just his wording..

http://www.onenewspage.us/video/20140130/1599230/British-detectives-want-to-speak-to-three-Ocean.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:00:05 AM
Also this, from The Mirror, just in:

Ex-pat property-owner on McCanns block says he and 90% of his neighbours have been burgled... and that Scotland Yard have been looking into these burglaries for the past 18 months. (My words)

(What about the Crimewatch and Smithman in this context, eh?):



Madeleine McCann cops want to raid homes of three prime suspects who were working at holiday complex
Jan 31, 2014 00:00 By David Collins

British officers believe the men would have known the layout of the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz and been aware of the best escape routes for anyone taking a child

Police hunting for missing Madeleine McCann want to raid the homes of three prime suspects and examine their bank accounts in the hunt for clues into her disappearance.

British officers plan to quiz the trio , who were working at the holiday complex in Portugal where the three-year-old was snatched from her bed.

They hope to look at their bank records to see if any large sums of money were placed in their accounts – which could indicate payment for a crime.

The three men would have known the layout of the Ocean Club complex at Praia da Luz and been aware of the best escape routes for anyone taking a child.

It would also have been possible for them to watch the movements of Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry’s on the night their daughter went missing in May 2007 as they ate tapas with friends near their ­apartment.

Detectives believe the suspects were behind a string of burglaries in the area in the weeks before the youngster vanished.

One of the flats burgled at the Ocean Club is owned by a former British expat. It is in the same block as the one the McCanns rented.

The man, who is in his 50s and wishes to remain anonymous, said yesterday: “They’d taken two mobile phones, a camera and some cash. There was no sign of forced entry.

"I was convinced they had a key to get inside. I spoke to my neighbours, many of them expats, and I’d say around 90% of them had experienced the same thing… valuable items going missing out of their ­apartments.

“I brought these complaints to the ­attention of the Ocean Club but they were pretty much ignored. Nothing was done.

“This was about four weeks before Maddie went missing.”

The expat was interviewed 18 months ago by Scotland Yard detectives – meaning officers have long suspected burglars could be ­responsible for Madeleine’s kidnap.

One theory is that burglars raided the McCanns’ apartment and were panicked into snatching her when she woke up.

Nelson Rodrigues, who worked as a barman at the Ocean Club at the time the child, from Rothley, Leics, vanished, said it was “possible” former workers had ­something to do with the kidnap.

But he added: “In my opinion, it’s not likely.

“I don’t know what happened to her that night, but I would be very surprised if any of the workers had anything to do with it.

“There were quite a few staff who had access to keys.

"Reception staff, the cleaners, and the maintenance men could all get into rooms. Waiters and barmen did not have access to keys.

“I remember at the time things belonging to guests went missing now and then.

"Mobile phones, cash, anything valuable lying around.”

Reports in local media said the Ocean Club had around 130 Portuguese employees and 30 British staff when Madeleine went missing.

Nelson also told how he joined the frantic hunt for Madeleine when her parents raised the alarm.

He added: “I looked ­everywhere for her. Around the pool, inside apartments, in the streets.

"I kept looking until five in the morning, when my boss said, ‘OK, it’s time for you to go home’.

“I saw Kate. She looked very upset. I heard her say, ‘I need a priest’.”

Scotland Yard officers flew to Faro in Portugal this week to meet with local police where they discussed the probe into the three ex-staff who are now suspects.

British police first became suspicious of the staff after analysing mobile phone data
 
They discovered a high number of calls made by the three men in the hours leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Operation Grange, set up to reopen the case, has sent a second International Letter of Request to their ­Portuguese ­counterparts which addresses developments in the probe

 It deals with issues surrounding formal questioning of the men as well as searching their homes and looking into their bank accounts.

The letter is now being dealt with by a court in the Algarve resort of Portimao. The Policia Judiciaria, the Portuguese force investigating Madeleine's disappearance, and the Attorney General refused to comment on the content of ­Tuesday’s meeting with Scotland Yard.

A Policia Judiciaria spokesman said last night: “The PJ confirms a meeting has taken place in Faro between British and ­Portuguese authorities within the ­framework of the ­execution of an ­International Letter of Request.”

And the force’s director Almeida Rodrigues added: “We cannot say anything else because when we co-operate with our British colleagues we are bound by ­professional secrecy.”

The Scotland Yard team have now flown back to London.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-suspects-cops-want-3095609

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 02:02:28 AM
Brunty spoke to 90% man too 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:06:15 AM
^^^^^^

The Mirror article is just a copy from an SKY video from Martin Brunt that was shown  on Sky News.

An OC guy, "quite good looking" was speaking to M Brunt.. plus that journo based in PDL who was once mixed with Murat..

Martin Brunt in PDL did lots of digging out this time..

I think now lots of stories will emerge in PDL.. a good time to be there..


(http://i.imgur.com/BLTxSQJ.jpg?1)

Former Ocean Club employee Nelson Rodrigues speaks to Sky's Martin Brunt.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:09:25 AM
I found it.. it was Martin Brunt .. speaking tonight.. nothing new.. just his wording..

http://www.onenewspage.us/video/20140130/1599230/British-detectives-want-to-speak-to-three-Ocean.htm

Brunty references this 90% figure and also notes that Portuguese authorities are yet to decide on whether they will accede to the request of SY for bank accounts and other information relating to the suspects to be investigated. SY have now left Portugal nonetheless.

Also note that the term 'burglar' as we discussed before at length on this and other threads, is, as Martin Brunt says, being used rather loosely.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:10:43 AM
Brunty spoke to 90% man too 8)-)))

Yes. 'Quite good looking'.

What does that mean?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 02:16:29 AM
By a day of reckoning, I don't mean a formal process of any kind.

I mean that there will come a time when Scotland Yard's investigation will be brought to a conclusion - whatever that may mean - and at that point, people will expect some sort of explanation as to why the investigation has ended at that point and what has been done with resources hitherto.

I cannot imagine their being no public discussion on the costs and findings of this case after the fact. There has been so much interest and discussion hitherto, it is hard to imagine it all coming to an abrupt halt just because Scotland Yard bow out.

In the event of Scotland Yard presenting any conclusive findings, that will beg questions of all types.

I wish I had your faith but I don't think there has been much discussion really, not in the press anyway. I can see however this ends it will be in a blaze of spin (like in 2008 with the shelving of the first investigation) and then few if any will ask any questions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:18:04 AM
Yes. 'Quite good looking'.

What does that mean?

I thought it was someone famous when I looked at TV, but it was a OC worker.. it is now on..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 02:18:09 AM
Yes. 'Quite good looking'.

What does that mean?

I think that Vixte's description, not Brunty's? 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:19:35 AM
I think that Vixte's description, not Brunty's? 8)--))
@)(++(* @)(++(*

That's right.. just explained.. I thought it was a footballer or something..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:21:20 AM
I wish I had your faith but I don't think there has been much discussion really, not in the press anyway. I can see however this ends it will be in a blaze of spin (like in 2008 with the shelving of the first investigation) and then few if any will ask any questions.

I see.. I wasn't following the case then - only  became interested recently - but is that time really a comparison?

Things are different now in that by the time SY winds up their investigation, just about everything that could have been done with regard to investigating will have been attempted. No-one will have any money left for anything. McCanns will find it hard to raise more monies of SY have drawn blanks.

So at the time a line was drawn, I think there will be a certain taking stock.

A line was not drawn in 2008 - as far as the McCanns were concerned, anyway - and it is mainly because of that that SY are now involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:21:47 AM
Brunty references this 90% figure and also notes that Portuguese authorities are yet to decide on whether they will accede to the request of SY for bank accounts and other information relating to the suspects to be investigated. SY have now left Portugal nonetheless.

Also note that the term 'burglar' as we discussed before at length on this and other threads, is, as Martin Brunt says, being used rather loosely.

Also, from Portugal News article it seems SY cannot sit at the questioning session.. they did not make a formal request for this..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:28:22 AM
@)(++(* @)(++(*

That's right.. just explained.. I thought it was a footballer or something..

It's good to know one way or the other..

Don't get the British channels so easily over here across the pond..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:30:12 AM
martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 13 hrs
#madeleine Portuguese sources tell local media the three suspects Scot Yard identified are ex-staff of Ocean Club, managers of apartments
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:34:52 AM
martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 13 hrs
#madeleine Portuguese sources tell local media the three suspects Scot Yard identified are ex-staff of Ocean Club, managers of apartments

What does that mean exactly... I can only get CBS at the moment on sky..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:37:39 AM
What does that mean exactly... I can only get CBS at the moment on sky..

This was on twitter today from Marin Brunt

He said the local media told him these three people were working in OC as managers of apartments

https://twitter.com/skymartinbrunt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 02:37:44 AM
It's good to know one way or the other..

Don't get the British channels so easily over here across the pond..

You're not missing much, especially not in the coverage of this case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:39:02 AM
You're not missing much, especially not in the coverage of this case.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:40:54 AM
But we cannot really trust Martin Brunt fully.. he sometimes jumps to conclusions too early.. remember the DNA report which he was wrong in and the whole world got news from him that Madeleine's DNA was found in the rental car..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:41:39 AM
This was on twitter today from Marin Brunt

He said the local media told him these three people were working in OC as managers of apartments

https://twitter.com/skymartinbrunt

Thanks for the link, VIXTE.

Joking apart, isn't is sad and concerning that this is all the kind of information that could have been readily available in 2007?  OC workers' movements, phone information, neighbours' reports of break-ins in their own homes?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:43:35 AM
But we cannot really trust Martin Brunt fully.. he sometimes jumps to conclusions too early.. remember the DNA report which he was wrong in and the whole world got news from him that Madeleine's DNA was found in the rental car..

Good point.

Nothing concrete on these individuals until they are interviewed in Portugal .. which is not even a given so far.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on January 31, 2014, 02:46:20 AM
But we cannot really trust Martin Brunt fully.. he sometimes jumps to conclusions too early.. remember the DNA report which he was wrong in and the whole world got news from him that Madeleine's DNA was found in the rental car..

Remember though it was TM themselves who leaked the theory about the hire car first the previous week - that was the work of Philomena and Justine McGuiness.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:50:56 AM
Remember though it was TM themselves who leaked the theory about the hire car first the previous week - that was the work of Philomena and Justine McGuiness.

And round and round it goes....

On that note, good-night, Gentlemen!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:51:03 AM
I am now looking through the files, no such work as  'property manager' inside the OC .. only managers or maintenance workers

The managers are quite high to the top ..but they are not property managers..

I hope they are not trying to frame the OC top management.. that would be hilarious as much as sad..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 02:52:21 AM
I am now looking through the files, no such work as  'property manager' inside the OC .. only managers or maintenance workers

The managers are quite high to the top ..but they are not property managers..

Perhaps the phrase as quoted in the recent articles is from a translation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:54:11 AM
Perhaps the phrase as quoted in the recent articles is from a translation?

No, Martin Brunt is British, no need for translation.. unless he said it deliberately in this way

EDIT: After few hours of searching the files.. i am thinking whether these 'men' are actually women..or at least one or two of them a woman..  8)-)))

And if I am right in my thinking this could be a quite big revelation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on January 31, 2014, 06:17:07 AM
I am now looking through the files, no such work as  'property manager' inside the OC .. only managers or maintenance workers

The managers are quite high to the top ..but they are not property managers..

I hope they are not trying to frame the OC top management.. that would be hilarious as much as sad..

I said it was MAINTENANCE workers. Who better to be able to go into apartments with keys, and be seen as NORMAL hanging about ........ I was crashed down on a few forums over this lol.....told I was talking rubbish.... 8(8-))

wouldnt it be funny if columbo was right again lol.................. @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on January 31, 2014, 07:35:04 AM
In relation to Sherlock's 'what happened to Smithman' , Where did the information about these 3 burglars/oc workers come from?

Has there been any official comment about them at all? Is Andy Redwood's last word still actually Smithman and the rest just newspaper articles?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2014, 07:41:37 AM
As to the 'burglars'

From Gerry Mccann himself...

.....nothing was taken of any value.......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2014, 08:43:32 AM


Desperate davel.

It is the made up abduction that you won't face up to.

Try not to get angry. 8(>((

angry Stephen... Ive just shown that Maddie could not have had an accident between 8.30 and 10...
no wonder SY believe them..im actually quite pleased

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2014, 08:46:06 AM
angry Stephen... Ive just shown that Maddie could not have had an accident between 8.30 and 10...
no wonder SY believe them..im actually quite pleased

You haven't shown anything.

I''m afraid using a large font is merely a reflection of your ego.  @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on January 31, 2014, 09:22:01 AM
If a person commited a burglary and a more serious crime (like homicide, abduction or rape) at the same time, how the crime was usually recorded at files?

As a burglary?

As the more serious crime?

As both of them?

Yes, as the more serious crime. But this is changing right now, and statistics begin to emerge.

Burglars turning to murder & sexual crimes is a well documented phenomenon . Between 31.5% to 45% of sexually motivated serial killers have a history of burglary. It's simply a distressing fact of life.

http://www.jaapl.org/content/27/2/227.full.pdf (http://www.jaapl.org/content/27/2/227.full.pdf)

And if you include such crimes as rape, the burglary escalation figure is even more frightening.

When DNA from a no-suspect murder scene is checked against records in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS)3, it often matches DNA from a no-suspect burglary. Review of the State’s first 1,000 hits showed that the vast majority were linked to crimes like homi­cide and rape, but of these, 82 percent of the offenders were already in the databank as a result of a prior conviction for a “lesser” crime such as burglary or drugs.


https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/207203.pdf (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/207203.pdf)

Thanks to Mobyra for these important references.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on January 31, 2014, 09:22:25 AM
MW don't seem to be fussy on what type of person they employ as childcare workers, no CRB checks, no contact with referees on CV's etc. so I doubt that any checks will have been made on maintenance workers prior to their employment. Who knows what type of person has been given access to keys ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 31, 2014, 09:35:36 AM
Interesting development in that they think the three under suspicion could have worked at the Warner resort, gives some credence to the fact they could have had access to apartment keys and knew the resort well to manoeuvre around unseen.

Certainly interesting in that respect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2014, 09:45:13 AM
Thanks for the link, VIXTE.

Joking apart, isn't is sad and concerning that this is all the kind of information that could have been readily available in 2007?  OC workers' movements, phone information, neighbours' reports of break-ins in their own homes?

Devastating I would say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 31, 2014, 12:33:49 PM
The British have also asked for access to the three suspected men’s bank accounts, to find out if there were high deposits after the English child’s disappearance.

Seems SY are thinking that Madeleine was either abducted by commision .... or the abductors knew of a wealthy ready buyer.

Just as Eleanor and I have thought possible for yonks.  Someone else too, was it VIXTE?

Watch this spot.   Eleanor is especially astute

Maybe the buyer paid them with a cheque?     @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 31, 2014, 12:40:01 PM
I would think they are checking their bank accounts for any kind of evidence of criminal activity, unusual or irregular payments in or out. Most likely standard proceedure for any investigation into suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 12:44:40 PM
Maybe the buyer paid them with a cheque?    @)(++(*

I think that burglars generally deal with cash in hand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2014, 12:52:24 PM
Maybe the buyer paid them with a cheque?    @)(++(*

It's surprising what you can find out from a bank account.  When I have been paid in cash for a job in the past I don't put it in the bank, I spend the cash until it is gone.  So my bank account would go unused for a couple of months.  Very telling, especially if there had been any relatively expensive acquisitions, the payment for which had not been recorded.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 31, 2014, 12:56:18 PM
Didn't a certain Russian lady work at Ocean Club Garden whose son was quite a person of interest at one time?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2014, 12:57:10 PM
It's surprising what you can find out from a bank account.  When I have been paid in cash for a job in the past I don't put it in the bank, I spend the cash until it is gone.  So my bank account would go unused for a couple of months.  Very telling, especially if there had been any relatively expensive acquisitions, the payment for which had not been recorded.

Obviously SY are a little brighter than posters on this forum....if anyone had bought a car without taking money from their account...been on holiday..check passports...this is modern policing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 12:59:33 PM
MW don't seem to be fussy on what type of person they employ as childcare workers, no CRB checks, no contact with referees on CV's etc. so I doubt that any checks will have been made on maintenance workers prior to their employment. Who knows what type of person has been given access to keys ?

Where did you read that MW do not do CRB checks or check their childcare staff have not had them done by their agencies?


As for other employees at the OC why would they have crb checks done? Its not a norm for most jobs


http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/employment/other_employment_law_topics/500408.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 31, 2014, 01:06:02 PM
Thanks for the link, VIXTE.

Joking apart, isn't is sad and concerning that this is all the kind of information that could have been readily available in 2007?  OC workers' movements, phone information, neighbours' reports of break-ins in their own homes?

It probably was but ended up leading nowhere.   Does anyone seriously believe that former employee Nelson Rodrigues has only started speaking now?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2014, 01:13:23 PM
So you accept that death in the appt between 8.30 and 10 is not possible...good

if she died earlier what would be the motive for the cover up as there would be no neglect...noting that several independent witnesses saw Maddie on the morning of 3 rd may...death would have had to have happened during daytime 3rd may...no neglect...no motive for a cover up

Incorrect.

That would depend on the circumstances of her death.

P.S. That could have occurred at some point in the evening.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 01:15:10 PM
It probably was but ended up leading nowhere.   Does anyone seriously believe that former employee Nelson Rodrigues has only started speaking now?

This is exactly what I thought..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2014, 01:23:12 PM
Incorrect.

That would depend on the circumstances of her death.

P.S. That could have occurred at some point in the evening.

Nothing you say is in the slightest convincing...it looks like SY agree with me
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 01:31:50 PM
MW don't seem to be fussy on what type of person they employ as childcare workers, no CRB checks, no contact with referees on CV's etc. so I doubt that any checks will have been made on maintenance workers prior to their employment. Who knows what type of person has been given access to keys ?

I think this is the part of the problem.

But last night I read something interesting I did not know before.

The hotel manager in her statement said something like " For Mark Warner guests the keys and access cards were given to Mark Warner staff and they would then pass them to the tourists families"

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 01:38:33 PM
I think this is the part of the problem.

But last night I read something interesting I did not know before.

The hotel manager in her statement said something like " For Mark Warner guests the keys and access cards were given to Mark Warner staff and they would then pass them to the tourists families"

Who do you think would give holidaymakers their keys? the shareholders of MW? isnt this getting a little ridiculous?

Next, it will be the cooks actually made the dinners so they could have drugged Madeleine.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 01:38:44 PM
Where did you read that MW do not do CRB checks or check their childcare staff have not had them done by their agencies?


I researched this a lot back in 2007..
MW used low paid staff.. so called travellers, who would be young and would come there from all over the word just to have fun on the beach and work for that season there..

The next season would be somewhere else.. MW would shift some summer staff to their winter resorts in the winter.. and back to summer resort when the summer season start.

They had no possible way of checking up the records of these people from all over the world..

And as soon as Madeleine disappeared they moved some staff who were affected by the story to their resort in Kos, Greece.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 01:41:09 PM
I researched this a lot back in 2007..
MW used low paid staff.. so called travellers, who would be young and would come there from all over the word just to have fun on the beach and work for that season there..

The next season would be somewhere else.. MW would shift some summer staff to their winter resorts in the winter.. and back to summer resort when the summer season start.

They had no possible way of checking up the records of these people from all over the world..

And as soon as Madeleine disappeared they moved some staff who were affected by the story to their resort in Kos, Greece.

Ok so the nannies are potential suspects....


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on January 31, 2014, 01:44:23 PM
Nothing you say is in the slightest convincing...it looks like SY agree with me

So where is Madeleine ?

Is it that lawless village 10 miles from PDL, courtesy of that 'brilliant' detective Edgar ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 31, 2014, 02:02:15 PM
Obviously SY are a little brighter than posters on this forum....if anyone had bought a car without taking money from their account...been on holiday..check passports...this is modern policing

I don't think innocent Barry George would agree with you.  Bright wouldn't be the word I would use.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on January 31, 2014, 02:08:52 PM
I don't think innocent Barry George would agree with you.  Bright wouldn't be the word I would use.

Barry George was a very sad state of affairs, and does go to show how an investigation that is not open to follow up other leads then falls apart on appeal. He was convicted ultimately on a forensic evidence that proved to be circumstantial at best, cross contamination at worst.

My opnion is that a professional shot Jill, someone who had done it many times before and knew how to do it expertly and then leave the crime scene without drawing attention. Barry George is clearly not that person.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 31, 2014, 02:13:38 PM
Barry George was a very sad state of affairs, and does go to show how an investigation that is not open to follow up other leads then falls apart on appeal. He was convicted ultimately on a forensic evidence that proved to be circumstantial at best, cross contamination at worst.

My opnion is that a professional shot Jill, someone who had done it many times before and knew how to do it expertly and then leave the crime scene without drawing attention. Barry George is clearly not that person.

Absolutely, the 'bright' fellows at Scotland Yard (including Redwood) fell into the very same trap that Amaral and the PJ did wrt reliance on forensics.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 02:15:20 PM
Absolutely, they fell into the very same trap that Amaral and the PJ did wrt reliance on forensics.

Yeah, whatever happened to old-fashioned detection ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 02:16:01 PM
Ok so the nannies are potential suspects....

No, I am not saying this but this is the area in such "resorts" that has to be looked at better.. as you can get someone who can intentionally get a job near the kids, like Ian Huntley did in the UK.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 02:24:02 PM
No, I am not saying this but this is the area in such "resorts" that has to be looked at better.. as you can get someone who can intentionally get a job near the kids, like Ian Huntley did in the UK.

Cant see any of the twenty something female nannies beng involved myself!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on January 31, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
Where did you read that MW do not do CRB checks or check their childcare staff have not had them done by their agencies?


As for other employees at the OC why would they have crb checks done? Its not a norm for most jobs


http://www.findlaw.co.uk/law/employment/other_employment_law_topics/500408.html

I didn't say other employees should have CRB checks done, but if they don't even bother to do them for childcare employees then the chances are they won't be too fussy what type of person they employ in other areas of the complex.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 02:42:12 PM
I didn't say other employees should have CRB checks done, but if they don't even bother to do them for childcare employees then the chances are they won't be too fussy what type of person they employ in other areas of the complex.

My question was where did you read MW dont do crb checks on their childcare workers as you assrted this morning  and which you havent answered >>>>>>


MW don't seem to be fussy on what type of person they employ as childcare workers, no CRB checks, no contact with referees on CV's etc. so I doubt that any checks will have been made on maintenance workers prior to their employment. Who knows what type of person has been given access to keys ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on January 31, 2014, 02:44:13 PM
Mark Warner operates at the top of the holiday market, charging up to £8,000 for two weeks abroad for a family of four.

It makes a point of offering "award-winning" childcare.

That award-winning care didn't extend to checking my CV, contacting my references, doing a criminal records check or even asking to see some basic ID. Again, I could have been anyone.

I worked at Mark Warner's swanky Hilton resort in Dahab, Egypt, where the luxurious hotel rooms are built to resemble a traditional whitewashed Arab village.

Despite being promised two days' training at the interview, I was thrown straight in with a group of toddlers.

Once, there were two of us looking after 13 children - when Mark Warner's own regulations state there should be no more than six per adult.

When I asked about my training, the manager just said: "You don't get official training as such. It's very relaxed, very laid-back here."


This is unlikely to be the approach parents think they are paying for.

Next, I was asked to supervise the children on the beach. Again, no one had checked if I had any swimming or rescue qualifications.

Even more worrying, I had to take children out on a boat without enough safety gear for all of them. When I raised the issue with my manager, he told me to go ahead with the boat trip anyway.

Also, for such a prestigious company with an upmarket reputation, Mark Warner has a very cavalier attitude to the employment laws of the countries where it operates, and is not controlled by Ofsted.

Like many of its staff in Dahab, I was there on a tourist visa.

Mark Warner should have paid for work permits but instead had us break Egyptian law on their behalf.

We were told we should just lie and say we were there on holiday, but Egypt is not the kind of country-where you want to end up in prison.

Three weeks after I returned from Egypt, the disappearance of Madeleine McCann from a Mark Warner resort in Praia da Luz in Portugal made headlines around the world.

No one blamed the company or its staff for the little girl's disappearance, but given the case, I assumed the company would toughen up its vetting of nannies.

To test this out, a BBC colleague applied for a Mark Warner childcare job and was sent to an upmarket French ski resort.

Her false CV went unchecked and, months after the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the company still didn't do a CRB check before she started work.



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-526248/The-shocking-truth-daycare-nurseries-creches.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 31, 2014, 02:53:05 PM
IMO it is appaling that some MW/OC employees will now have their bank records grabbed.
And their reputations slandered by insinuation in the press.
Just because they used their phones that night while searching.

Ironic that the UK authorities refused in 2007 to provide the PJ with bank records of a certain (at the time) arguido.
Why dont SY grab those records instead of harassing honest employees?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 02:55:25 PM
Yes drummer I believe it


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/post44607.html#p44607

NOT

Just another paid lackey...no evidence just mumbo jumbo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on January 31, 2014, 02:58:38 PM
IMO it is appaling that some MW/OC employees will now have their bank records grabbed.
And their reputations slandered by insinuation in the press.
Just because they used their phones that night while searching.

Ironic that the UK authorities refused in 2007 to provide the PJ with bank records of a certain (at the time) arguido.
Why dont SY grab those records instead of harassing honest employees?

what a load of the usual twaddle ...several years ago every man in an English town was asked to voluntarily give a dna sample to help solve a brutal murder...no one complained...except the murderer who was caught...stop moaning
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 31, 2014, 03:30:43 PM
what a load of the usual twaddle ...several years ago every man in an English town was asked to voluntarily give a dna sample to help solve a brutal murder...no one complained...except the murderer who was caught...stop moaning
But I agree with you completely - and it should not be limited to employees. It seems extraordinarily selective for the UK authorities to grab bank records of (for example ) a nanny or a maintenance man, but to refuse to supply to PJ the bank records of a (just an example for illustrative purposes) foreign tourist who was in that apartment daily.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 03:31:05 PM
Cant see any of the twenty something female nannies beng involved myself!

Well, my logic is: If you can get a young low paid worker smuggle drugs from some countries, why cannot you get them smuggle a person or a child? Some people would extend boundaries for bucks of money.

I am not saying the nannies are involved in this case but I am saying it is possible.. nannies have boyfriends.. and it is not only nannies that are employed to work with children..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 03:36:27 PM
Well, my logic is: If you can get a young low paid worker smuggle drugs from some countries, why cannot you get them smuggle a person or a child? Some people would extend boundaries for bucks of money.

I am not saying the nannies are involved in this case but I am saying it is possible.. nannies have boyfriends.. and it is not only nannies that are employed to work with children..

Well your logic is apalling...insinuating that young people who are paid low wages are automatically drug smugglers, get a grip!!! I hope you dont have  teenagers out looking for a job they might be drug tested first!!!

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2014, 03:41:43 PM

Didn't two British, teenage Bar Workers working in Spain just get arrested for drug smuggling?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 31, 2014, 03:42:31 PM
Didn't two British, teenage Bar Workers working in Spain just get arrested for drug smuggling?

Yes, not child trafficking.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2014, 03:47:37 PM
Yes, not child trafficking.

Read Red's post, to which I was replying.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 03:47:57 PM
Yes, not child trafficking.

Get with the programme WS

If you have ever nicked a tip of work or not been crb checked when applying for any job or made or received too many phone calls around PDL on that night or ever smoked drugs! Or just been an employee with access to keys, you ARE a suspect!

What a dreadful scenario! thats almost all of PDL residents suspects now, can this become a bigger joke than it already has been for six years?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on January 31, 2014, 03:50:30 PM
Well, my logic is: If you can get a young low paid worker smuggle drugs from some countries, why cannot you get them smuggle a person or a child? Some people would extend boundaries for bucks of money.

I am not saying the nannies are involved in this case but I am saying it is possible.. nannies have boyfriends.. and it is not only nannies that are employed to work with children..
A small % of young low-paid persons commit crimes.
A small % of doctors commit crimes.
And since you brought up drug-smuggling:
Was the person who smuggled drugs into Lackawanna jail a young low-paid nanny?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 04:15:10 PM
Well your logic is apalling...insinuating that young people who are paid low wages are automatically drug smugglers, get a grip!!! I hope you dont have  teenagers out looking for a job they might be drug tested first!!!

 @)(++(*

I am just saying it is possible, and I do not tend to assault anyone..

Also I don't want to spend my day on discussing the useless internet searches for statistical data to prove my points.

Not here to impress anyone with my unusual brains  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 04:41:50 PM
Surely if Mark Warner had performed due diligence in its employment screening process, the need for many of the dilegences we are talking about today would have been obviated.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 04:43:30 PM
If a person commited a burglary and a more serious crime (like homicide, abduction or rape) at the same time, how the crime was usually recorded at files?

As a burglary?

As the more serious crime?

As both of them?

Yes, as the more serious crime. But this is changing right now, and statistics begin to emerge.

Burglars turning to murder & sexual crimes is a well documented phenomenon . Between 31.5% to 45% of sexually motivated serial killers have a history of burglary. It's simply a distressing fact of life.

http://www.jaapl.org/content/27/2/227.full.pdf (http://www.jaapl.org/content/27/2/227.full.pdf)

And if you include such crimes as rape, the burglary escalation figure is even more frightening.

When DNA from a no-suspect murder scene is checked against records in the Combined DNA Index System (CODIS)3, it often matches DNA from a no-suspect burglary. Review of the State’s first 1,000 hits showed that the vast majority were linked to crimes like homi­cide and rape, but of these, 82 percent of the offenders were already in the databank as a result of a prior conviction for a “lesser” crime such as burglary or drugs.


https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/207203.pdf (https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/207203.pdf)

Thanks to Mobyra for these important references.

I believe these are important things to consider. Criminals are multi-faceted, however hard it may be for us to take that in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 04:48:09 PM
Surely if Mark Warner had performed due diligence in its employment screening process, the need for many of the dilegences we are talking about today would have been obviated.

Is there any evidence that they didn't do the required checks ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on January 31, 2014, 04:57:06 PM
Is there any evidence that they didn't do the required checks ?

It's a good point jassi, and I must admit I don't have any evidence beyond the article quoted earlier on this thread by a former employee. That is evidence of sorts.

I think it's clear however that Mark Warner and probably other companies of the type take advantage of the cheap seasonal work available, and do not employ their young student-type workers on the basis that one would hope an older or permanent worker would be employed, with regard to pay, training, care to observe the various legal requirements, and so on.

We also know for a fact - on a slightly different but related issue - that MW had no security arrangements in place at the Ocean Club. (This was discussed at length on earlier threads ).This was also obviously a cost-cutting issue, which may have been a factor in Madeleine's disappearance and also in the burglaries that ocurred around that time. MW also apparently failed to alert guests to the fact that there was a level of possible crime in the resort, and again this may have been a factor in certain things.

I don't want to get into a discussion about parental responsibility again; obviously parents and guests have their own responsibilities with regard to their safety and property over and above the arrangements of the resort. But MW's  evident laxity in these areas, in the circumstances, cannot  be ignored.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 05:05:25 PM
It's a good point jassi, and I must admit I don't have any evidence beyond the article quoted earlier on this thread by a former employee. That is evidence of sorts.

I think it's clear however that Mark Warner and probably other companies of the type take advantage of the cheap seasonal work available, and do not employ their young student-type workers on the basis that one would hope an older or permanent worker would be employed, with regard to pay, training, care to observe the various legal requirements, and so on.

We also know for a fact - on a slightly different but related issue - that MW had no security arrangements in place at the Ocean Club. (This was discussed at length on earlier threads ).This was also obviously a cost-cutting issue, which may have been a factor in Madeleine's disappearance and also in the burglaries that ocurred around that time. MW also apparently failed to alert guests to the fact that there was a level of possible crime in the resort, and again this may have been a factor in certain things.

I don't want to get into a discussion about parental responsibility again; obviously parents and guests have their own responsibilities with regard to their safety and property over and above the arrangements of the resort. But MW's  evident laxity in these areas, in the circumstances, cannot  be ignored.

Many of the requirements that would apply in UK may not apply in other countries and if that is the case, then MW and indeed similar companies are unlikely to undertake them.
I was surprised that MW were described as being top end of the market, asI thought the  photos  suggested a very basic level of facilities.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 05:15:12 PM
Are there any news on Martin Brunt's claim that these were apartments managers? Would these people be the suit wearing office staff or the maintenance workers?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2014, 05:55:00 PM
Are there any news on Martin Brunt's claim that these were apartments managers? Would these people be the suit wearing office staff or the maintenance workers?

It's probably a translation thing.  Maintenance rather than Management.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 06:13:47 PM
I believe these are important things to consider. Criminals are multi-faceted, however hard it may be for us to take that in.

See my post 6 on  this thread


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3287.msg124946#msg124946
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 06:18:28 PM
I am just saying it is possible, and I do not tend to assault anyone..

Also I don't want to spend my day on discussing the useless internet searches for statistical data to prove my points.

Not here to impress anyone with my unusual brains  8)--))

You have to draw the line somewhere otherwise you will be complicit in turning this into alice in wonderland nonsense
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 06:21:05 PM
Surely if Mark Warner had performed due diligence in its employment screening process, the need for many of the dilegences we are talking about today would have been obviated.

Employers dont "screen" applicants as a norm, unless thy are working with kids and there is no evidence MW did not "screen" the nannies

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 06:24:07 PM
Employers dont "screen" applicants as a norm, unless thy are working with kids and there is no evidence MW did not "screen" the nannies

Would they even do that if it were outside this country where CRB requirements don't exist?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 06:29:23 PM
Would they even do that if it were outside this country where CRB requirements don't exist?

they are a British company, whether thy have to abide by British laws or whether they can tailor them / ride roughshod over themdepending in the country they operate in I dont know, I just find it sloppy thnking to assume /assert they dont check employees who work with  children, based on nothing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on January 31, 2014, 06:30:28 PM
Please reinstate Tannerman and stop this nonsense.

maybe this should be on another thread ...oops
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on January 31, 2014, 06:34:42 PM
It's probably a translation thing.  Maintenance rather than Management.

But don't you think that Marin Brunt would know the difference between thee maintenance and management in this case.. or maybe he said it like that on purpose.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
they are a British company, whether thy have to abide by British laws or whether they can tailor them / ride roughshod over themdepending in the country they operate in I dont know, I just find it sloppy thnking to assume /assert they dont check employees who work with  children, based on nothing

You know what private enterprise can be like - cut every corner to minimise cost. Why would they go through a process that wasn't necessary?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 06:51:14 PM
You know what private enterprise can be like - cut every corner to minimise cost. Why would they go through a process that wasn't necessary?

On child safety isues? And what costs?  Phone call or email? In any case, methinks the nannies didnt do it!

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on January 31, 2014, 06:52:34 PM
Please reinstate Tannerman and stop this nonsense.

maybe this should be on another thread ...oops

I'll vote for that.  Bring back Tannerman.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 31, 2014, 06:59:52 PM
On child safety isues? And what costs?  Phone call or email? In any case, methinks the nannies didnt do it!

 @)(++(*

Nah. Too busy working or having a good time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on January 31, 2014, 07:01:32 PM
Nah. Too busy working or having a good time.

Precisely!

Sheesh

 @)(++(*


Oh well, hogging the board, laters
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 01, 2014, 12:49:26 AM
See my post 6 on  this thread


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3287.msg124946#msg124946

I see your post, red, but I have also read Heriberto's attachments containing theses regarding how statistics are compiled. Reading these, one sees clearly that crimes are often noted as being of one type, when in reality an act of crime often involves different types of crimes clumped together. Previously, statistics have failed to take these realities into account (not going into all the details here) and thus we have a false picture about what type of person is supposed to commit what type of crime.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 01, 2014, 03:04:02 AM
I see your post, red, but I have also read Heriberto's attachments containing theses regarding how statistics are compiled. Reading these, one sees clearly that crimes are often noted as being of one type, when in reality an act of crime often involves different types of crimes clumped together. Previously, statistics have failed to take these realities into account (not going into all the details here) and thus we have a false picture about what type of person is supposed to commit what type of crime.

I don't understand this post Sherlock

I havn't read Heriberto Janosch's   'attachments'  (  ?  )  containing theses on statistics,  but Red's question seems quite straighforward to me 

How many burglars have murdered  children ?

There is an exact   answer to that  straight forward question   ( regardless of   'theses'  on statistics  )

What do you guess it might be  ?    ...  ball park figure

 (  I'm going for none  ) 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 01, 2014, 05:16:46 AM
I don't understand this post Sherlock

I havn't read Heriberto Janosch's   'attachments'  (  ?  )  containing theses on statistics,  but Red's question seems quite straighforward to me 

How many burglars have murdered  children ?

There is an exact   answer to that  straight forward question   ( regardless of   'theses'  on statistics  )

What do you guess it might be  ?    ...  ball park figure

 (  I'm going for none  )

Heriberto linked academic studies about prisoners who had been committed for  certain offenses, who also had personal histories of committing different types of crimes. Sometimes different types of crimes were committed by the same person at a given crime scene e.g. theft and rape. This apparently is quite common.

The reports look at some of the problems involved in recording these events in statistical terms, and how skewed and inadequate statistical information has given us false impressions with regard to the multifaceted criminal natures of many offenders.

In answer to the question how many burglars have murdered children, it is therefore hard to say. Needless to say in America there have been several cases of murder plus burglary.

I went into the idea a bit here:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3225.msg122050#msg122050

P.S  I know from a few South African friends that burglary as far as they are concerned normally means murder. Burglars enter the house, steal, then shoot people in their beds before leaving the property.

That is not how it happens in Britain. But it happens.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 01, 2014, 05:54:06 AM
From the Express, January 31st:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/457122/Scotland-Yard-to-examine-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-bank-accounts

regarding SY's request for the bank accounts of the three suspects to be examined.

The first full paragraph reads:

The move raises fears Madeleine may have been snatched to order and sold by her kidnapper. It is alleged the suspects worked at the Ocean Club complex in the Algarve holiday resort of Praia da Luz where Madeleine’s family were staying. The three are thought to be behind a string of burglaries at the holiday complex before Madeleine went missing.

Being snatched to order seems to contradict the theory of a 'burglary gone wrong'. The first is extremely carefully planned and executed and the second is accidental.

However it states that ' The three are thought to be behind a string of burglaries at the holiday complex before Madeleine went missing.'

That doesn't mean that 5A was the scene of a burglary gone wrong; only that people involved in previous break -ins at different properties are suspected of being implicated in somehow in Madeleine's disappearance.
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 01, 2014, 07:05:24 AM
Cant see any of the twenty something female nannies beng involved myself!

Agree BUT nannies can be pedophiles too, or work in pedophile gangs....its a known fact sadly. I found quite a few females arrested for pedophilia, especially on young children and young teenagers. EEK, the world has gone mad.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/educationnews/5488501/Female-nursery-worker-arrested-over-paedophile-network-investigation.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 01, 2014, 07:20:16 AM
what a load of the usual twaddle ...several years ago every man in an English town was asked to voluntarily give a dna sample to help solve a brutal murder...no one complained...except the murderer who was caught...stop moaning

Yes a friend of mine knew the guy who was totally not a horrible person. It was a young guy who went to a popular night club, met a girl, they were drunk, and went off to the local quarry for a bit of a cuddle, and things went wrong, she screamed, and he tried to calm her down and she suffocated. He ran in panic.

I KNOW the area well. The night club was a good walk away from the quarry and flipping DARK too, IF the girl followed him, which is what was said, she went willingly which showed her judgement was impaired sadly. My friend, who knows the lad believed his version of events. It was a terribly sad case, that poor girl but these things do happen, like the Joanna Yates case seems Bristol is not a good place to be there have been several cases similar.

The DNA was done BUT he was not caught, at the time, it was about a year later I think before he was finally tracked down in South Africa and then supplied a DNA which was a CLOSE match, I dont believe it was a 99.9 match.

I think it was a brilliant idea to do DNA testing. However, pointless in the case of the McCanns because there is no proof of anything.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on February 01, 2014, 08:16:07 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-detectives-probe-3099910#.Uuyqfz15Ogc (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-detectives-probe-3099910#.Uuyqfz15Ogc)

Madeleine McCann detectives probe phone calls made by workers at Portuguese holiday complex on night she disappeared

Three workers at the holiday complex where Madeleine McCann was last seen made an abnormally high number of calls “outside the resort” on the night she went missing.

A police source said: “Unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the three made domestic calls to areas of no geographic interest to the search.”

Scotland Yard detectives have asked for them to be interrogated, their bank accounts probed and their homes searched.

Police regard the three as prime suspects and may be working on a theory that the three-year-old was taken after disturbing burglars in her family’s Algarve apartment while parents Kate and Gerry were at a tapas restaurant on the site.

They would have known the layout of Praia da Luz Ocean Club and would have been required to make statements after Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It is thought a team of detectives led by Oporto-based missing persons specialist Helena Monteiro has found shortcomings in the original inquiry. Her squad are believed to want to speak to a number of people who have not been questioned before.

Ms Monteiro is working independently from a second branch of Portuguese detectives in Faro who are helping Scotland Yard with their inquiries. The Met Police refused to comment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 01, 2014, 08:20:00 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-detectives-probe-3099910#.Uuyqfz15Ogc (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-detectives-probe-3099910#.Uuyqfz15Ogc)

Madeleine McCann detectives probe phone calls made by workers at Portuguese holiday complex on night she disappeared

Three workers at the holiday complex where Madeleine McCann was last seen made an abnormally high number of calls “outside the resort” on the night she went missing.

A police source said: “Unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the three made domestic calls to areas of no geographic interest to the search.”

Scotland Yard detectives have asked for them to be interrogated, their bank accounts probed and their homes searched.

Police regard the three as prime suspects and may be working on a theory that the three-year-old was taken after disturbing burglars in her family’s Algarve apartment while parents Kate and Gerry were at a tapas restaurant on the site.

They would have known the layout of Praia da Luz Ocean Club and would have been required to make statements after Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It is thought a team of detectives led by Oporto-based missing persons specialist Helena Monteiro has found shortcomings in the original inquiry. Her squad are believed to want to speak to a number of people who have not been questioned before.

Ms Monteiro is working independently from a second branch of Portuguese detectives in Faro who are helping Scotland Yard with their inquiries. The Met Police refused to comment.

Hot air.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on February 01, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
Madeleine McCann detectives probe phone calls made by workers at Portuguese holiday complex on night she disappeared
31 January 2014 09:40 PM By David Collins
Three workers on holiday complex are being probed by Scotland Yard detectives

Investigation: Madeleine McCann and Praia Da Luz Ocean Club Resort
Three workers at the holiday complex where Madeleine McCann was last seen made an abnormally high number of calls “outside the resort” on the night she went missing.

A police source said: “Unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the three made domestic calls to areas of no geographic interest to the search.”

Scotland Yard detectives have asked for them to be interrogated, their bank accounts probed and their homes searched.

Police regard the three as prime suspects and may be working on a theory that the three-year-old was taken after disturbing burglars in her family’s Algarve apartment while parents Kate and Gerry were at a tapas restaurant on the site.

They would have known the layout of Praia da Luz Ocean Club and would have been required to make statements after Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It is thought a team of detectives led by Oporto-based missing persons specialist Helena Monteiro has found shortcomings in the original inquiry. Her squad are believed to want to speak to a number of people who have not been questioned before.

Ms Monteiro is working independently from a second branch of Portuguese detectives in Faro who are helping Scotland Yard with their inquiries. The Met Police refused to comment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 01, 2014, 09:10:18 AM
Madeleine McCann detectives probe phone calls made by workers at Portuguese holiday complex on night she disappeared
31 January 2014 09:40 PM By David Collins
Three workers on holiday complex are being probed by Scotland Yard detectives

Investigation: Madeleine McCann and Praia Da Luz Ocean Club Resort
Three workers at the holiday complex where Madeleine McCann was last seen made an abnormally high number of calls “outside the resort” on the night she went missing.

A police source said: “Unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the three made domestic calls to areas of no geographic interest to the search.”

Scotland Yard detectives have asked for them to be interrogated, their bank accounts probed and their homes searched.

Police regard the three as prime suspects and may be working on a theory that the three-year-old was taken after disturbing burglars in her family’s Algarve apartment while parents Kate and Gerry were at a tapas restaurant on the site.

They would have known the layout of Praia da Luz Ocean Club and would have been required to make statements after Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It is thought a team of detectives led by Oporto-based missing persons specialist Helena Monteiro has found shortcomings in the original inquiry. Her squad are believed to want to speak to a number of people who have not been questioned before.

Ms Monteiro is working independently from a second branch of Portuguese detectives in Faro who are helping Scotland Yard with their inquiries. The Met Police refused to comment.

and ?.................................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 01, 2014, 09:21:09 AM
and ?.................................
Come on Stephen.  They are not going to tell us everything.

This is new to me

Quote
It is thought a team of detectives led by Oporto-based missing persons specialist Helena Monteiro has found shortcomings in the original inquiry. Her squad are believed to want to speak to a number of people who have not been questioned before

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 01, 2014, 09:24:48 AM
Come on Stephen.  They are not going to tell us everything.

This is new to me

We shall see.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 01, 2014, 11:35:35 AM
The existence of Helena Monteiro's team is hardly "news". They have been around on this case for quite a while.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 01, 2014, 12:42:06 PM
Well.. all of the recent news is just the copy of that big Portugal News article

http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/new-turn-in-madeleine-case/30497
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 01, 2014, 12:49:59 PM
I notice the article mentions SY police officers 'fluent in Portuguese' Can't imagine that there can be many of those around.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2014, 12:57:31 PM
I notice the article mentions SY police officers 'fluent in Portuguese' Can't imagine that there can be many of those around.

Perhaps explains why there were 4 officers....copied from the article

It is believed the PJ team in Oporto uncovered shortcomings in the initial investigation conducted by their counterparts in the Algarve and were now actively pursuing the theory that Madeleine McCann was abducted from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

there are posters in deep denial on this forum
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 01, 2014, 12:58:30 PM
I notice the article mentions SY police officers 'fluent in Portuguese' Can't imagine that there can be many of those around.

I know several people around me, even in my own family, who are fluent in Portuguese, they are not working for the police but IMO it is nothing unusual. It is a job as any other.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on February 01, 2014, 01:01:30 PM
Perhaps explains why there were 4 officers....copied from the article

It is believed the PJ team in Oporto uncovered shortcomings in the initial investigation conducted by their counterparts in the Algarve and were now actively pursuing the theory that Madeleine McCann was abducted from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

there are posters in deep denial on this forum

Most people here in Portugal or at least in Porto know what the other PJ investigators think of Helena Monteiro's strange theories about the case. Her theory of the dead "Tractorman" certainly was ridiculous. It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possiblity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 01, 2014, 01:19:34 PM
Most people here in Portugal or at least in Porto know what the other PJ investigators think of Helena Monteiro's strange theories about the case. Her theory of the dead "Tractorman" certainly was ridiculous. It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possiblity.

And they don't make fun of the other team which is working with the SY?

Or they do?

And the intelligent ones I guess also make fun of the Calpol theory? Because the Calpol theory for example  is hilarious to Brits  8)--))

Not to mention the Fridge theory  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on February 01, 2014, 01:40:52 PM
And they don't make fun of the other team which is working with the SY?

Or they do?

And the intelligent ones I guess also make fun of the Calpol theory? Because the Calpol theory for example  is hilarious to Brits  8)--))

Not to mention the Fridge theory  @)(++(*

What's so ridiculous about the fridge theory?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2014, 02:00:03 PM
What's so ridiculous about the fridge theory?

Which Fridge Theory?  Although the similarity between the two is not only ridiculous but rather alarming.  Especially the non existence of Forensics.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 01, 2014, 02:32:24 PM
Which Fridge Theory?  Although the similarity between the two is not only ridiculous but rather alarming.  Especially the non existence of Forensics.

Maybe it is psychological.  @)(++(* fridge-o- phobia  @)(++(* combined with strange hate for mothers - god knows what the psychologists would make of that ?

Shall we ask Pat Brown  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2014, 03:06:31 PM
Maybe it is psychological.  @)(++(* fridge-o- phobia  @)(++(* combined with strange hate for mothers - god knows what the psychologists would make of that ?

Shall we ask Pat Brown  @)(++(*

That could be a difficult one.  He hates women but he loves fridges.  Perhaps it's something to do with Frigid Women.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2014, 03:11:39 PM
Most people here in Portugal or at least in Porto know what the other PJ investigators think of Helena Monteiro's strange theories about the case. Her theory of the dead "Tractorman" certainly was ridiculous. It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possiblity.

well the Portuguese have made her head of the investigation...perhaps thats why Portuguese police are such a laughing stock
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2014, 03:33:45 PM
well the Portuguese have made her head of the investigation...perhaps thats why Portuguese police are such a laughing stock

What is her rank, by the way?

"It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possibility."  ORLY.
It is thought?  By whom exactly?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 01, 2014, 04:00:33 PM
What is her rank, by the way?

"It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possibility."  ORLY.
It is thought?  By whom exactly?

edited

I misread the post,  sorry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: j.rob on February 01, 2014, 04:21:39 PM
well the Portuguese have made her head of the investigation...perhaps thats why Portuguese police are such a laughing stock

I think you will find it is us Brits who bought into the McCann's lunacy that are the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Politicians, media, Mitchell, Murdoch - all with egg on their faces. Still, I suppose they made money out of it - which is even worse given that it is at the expense of a vulnerable child who has in all probability met a horrible end.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 01, 2014, 04:30:30 PM
I think you will find it is us Brits who bought into the McCann's lunacy that are the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Politicians, media, Mitchell, Murdoch - all with egg on their faces. Still, I suppose they made money out of it - which is even worse given that it is at the expense of a vulnerable child who has in all probability met a horrible end.

 I wouldn't agree at all...the pj have been criticised for the investigation for tae past six years and are now reluctantly having to accept help from a proper police force...I don't see any criticism of the british ...do you have evedence or are you just making things up again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2014, 05:03:29 PM
I think you will find it is us Brits who bought into the McCann's lunacy that are the laughing stock of the rest of the world. Politicians, media, Mitchell, Murdoch - all with egg on their faces. Still, I suppose they made money out of it - which is even worse given that it is at the expense of a vulnerable child who has in all probability met a horrible end.

You might be a laughing stock, but I am not.

The whole world is now seeing what an appalling cock up Amaral made of the case.

Creche Records not checked.
Cell phone calls ignored.
Spare Keys never even looked at.

Amaral himself said that there was only one key.  God knows how he thought the cleaners and maintenance  workers got in.  The man is an incompetent fool.  Or worse.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 01, 2014, 05:51:37 PM
I wouldn't agree at all...the pj have been criticised for the investigation for tae past six years and are now reluctantly having to accept help from a proper police force...I don't see any criticism of the british ...do you have evedence or are you just making things up again

You are forgetting British police were already in Portugal in 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 01, 2014, 06:08:40 PM
Most people here in Portugal or at least in Porto know what the other PJ investigators think of Helena Monteiro's strange theories about the case. Her theory of the dead "Tractorman" certainly was ridiculous. It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possiblity.

What makes you think that contacting relatives of a person who may have been a loose end is a strange theory, as opposed to systematic police work? And why would the Minister of Justice find that odd, if ever that was the case?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 01, 2014, 06:25:45 PM
What makes you think that contacting relatives of a person who may have been a loose end is a strange theory, as opposed to systematic police work? And why would the Minister of Justice find that odd, if ever that was the case?

Obviously Montclair doesn't trust The PJ.  Now that is strange.  All going the wrong way, is it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 01, 2014, 06:44:15 PM
You might be a laughing stock, but I am not.

The whole world is now seeing what an appalling cock up Amaral made of the case.

Creche Records not checked.
Cell phone calls ignored.
Spare Keys never even looked at.

Amaral himself said that there was only one key.  God knows how he thought the cleaners and maintenance  workers got in.  The man is an incompetent fool.  Or worse.


What more of the world is seeing is precisely what the mccanns failed to do.

The charade of the Crimewatch program, and that is being polite.

The mccanns failure to look after their children.

No mention on Crimewatch the apartment was unlocked.

No mention of drinking for several nights in a row, only 'dining'.

Don't delude yourself, more people are getting to know how the mccanns failed their children.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 01, 2014, 08:05:26 PM
Most people here in Portugal or at least in Porto know what the other PJ investigators think of Helena Monteiro's strange theories about the case. Her theory of the dead "Tractorman" certainly was ridiculous. It is thought that even the Minister of Justice here in Portugal made fun of that possiblity.

Wasn't the Tractorman theory the reason that the case was officially re-opened, Montclair?

This is what we read here - though I find it extremely hard to believe.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 02, 2014, 12:18:56 AM
You might be a laughing stock, but I am not.
The whole world is now seeing what an appalling cock up Amaral made of the case.
Creche Records not checked.
Cell phone calls ignored.
Spare Keys never even looked at.
Amaral himself said that there was only one key.  God knows how he thought the cleaners and maintenance  workers got in.  The man is an incompetent fool.  Or worse.
"Cell phones ignored"?
You are criticising the UK phone experts who did extensive cell analysis in May 2007 onwards?
Do you think the Met's top phone forensics man is rubbish?
It was UK phone analysts who did the phone analysis May 2007 onwards.
The UK authorities insisted on doing the phone forensics.
They sent the Met's top civilian phone forensics expert to PDL in May 2007 as reported by the Guardian.
Are you claiming he ignored cellphones?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2014, 09:14:15 AM
"Cell phones ignored"?
You are criticising the UK phone experts who did extensive cell analysis in May 2007 onwards?
Do you think the Met's top phone forensics man is rubbish?
It was UK phone analysts who did the phone analysis May 2007 onwards.
The UK authorities insisted on doing the phone forensics.
They sent the Met's top civilian phone forensics expert to PDL in May 2007 as reported by the Guardian.
Are you claiming he ignored cellphones?

No.  I am saying that The PJ ignored the information they were given because they were too busy chasing the phone records of The McCanns and friends.  The PJ certainly looked into those as they are in The Files.

Anyone seen any phone records for other people?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 02, 2014, 10:35:36 AM
"Cell phones ignored"?
You are criticising the UK phone experts who did extensive cell analysis in May 2007 onwards?
Do you think the Met's top phone forensics man is rubbish?
It was UK phone analysts who did the phone analysis May 2007 onwards.
The UK authorities insisted on doing the phone forensics.
They sent the Met's top civilian phone forensics expert to PDL in May 2007 as reported by the Guardian.
Are you claiming he ignored cellphones?

Although they may have provided expertise in how to do so, I'm not aware the UK analysed phone activity.

Which pages from the files should we be looking at?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 02, 2014, 11:44:23 AM
I don't understand this post Sherlock

I havn't read Heriberto Janosch's   'attachments'  (  ?  )  containing theses on statistics,  but Red's question seems quite straighforward to me 

How many burglars have murdered  children ?

There is an exact   answer to that  straight forward question   ( regardless of   'theses'  on statistics  )

What do you guess it might be  ?    ...  ball park figure

 (  I'm going for none  )

Heri's links (which a poster on Myths had found) were not theses on statistics.

Here's the post again.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg124879#msg124879

My own view is that there is nothing, so far, to indicate the she (or Joana) have been murdered, although they may have been.

On the other hand, these limited studies do tend to indicate that many perpetrators of more serious crimes had already committed less serious ones. The obvious caveat is that a one-time petty burglar / pickpocket / thief / drug user is not necessarily responsible for, nor connected to, a serious crime in the vicinity. However, I can see the reasons for wanting to thoroughly investigating such people to eliminate them and move on. This doesn't seem to have been done in the first instance.

ETA: Apologies to Icabod, my mistake. The first one was indeed a thesis.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 02, 2014, 12:48:19 PM

What more of the world is seeing is precisely what the mccanns failed to do.

The charade of the Crimewatch program, and that is being polite.

The mccanns failure to look after their children.

No mention on Crimewatch the apartment was unlocked.

No mention of drinking for several nights in a row, only 'dining'.

Don't delude yourself, more people are getting to know how the mccanns failed their children.

I must admit all the people I know who said they believe the McCanns were pearly white, have all changed their minds over the years and now dont believe a word they say, and are quite frankly fed up of reading about it, which is such shame for the child.

I think it just went all silly, with dead tractor man, and so many bogus sightings, and the attack on the gypsies....and other things.

Shame.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 02, 2014, 01:10:55 PM
I must admit all the people I know who said they believe the McCanns were pearly white, have all changed their minds over the years and now dont believe a word they say, and are quite frankly fed up of reading about it, which is such shame for the child.

I think it just went all silly, with dead tractor man, and so many bogus sightings, and the attack on the gypsies....and other things.

Shame.

Strange...any people I talk to have every sympathy for the mccanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 02, 2014, 01:19:54 PM
I must admit all the people I know who said they believe the McCanns were pearly white, have all changed their minds over the years and now dont believe a word they say, and are quite frankly fed up of reading about it, which is such shame for the child.

I think it just went all silly, with dead tractor man, and so many bogus sightings, and the attack on the gypsies....and other things.

Shame.

It went silly "years ago"

Tractorman was just a continuation...years later

We are now in a place where for a whole  month three  burglars have been touted and whch SY were on the verge of arresting whch turn out to be ocean club employees according to the mccanns lawyer in Portugal and of whch arrests he says "improbable"


just imagine these three employees are totally innocent, thats the thanks they get for helping out that night!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 02, 2014, 01:31:44 PM
It went silly "years ago"

Tractorman was just a continuation...years later

We are now in a place where for a whole  month three  burglars have been touted and whch SY were on the verge of arresting whch turn out to be ocean club employees according to the mccanns lawyer in Portugal and of whch arrests he says "improbable"


just imagine these three employees are totally innocent, thats the thanks they get for helping out that night!

Mon dieu - if this were to be the case, where will SY turn to next?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 02, 2014, 01:32:52 PM
Mon dieu - if this were to be the case, where will SY turn to next?

Dont tempt fate!  Lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 02, 2014, 05:35:07 PM
Madeleine McCann madness continues - and leaves her parents with nothing once more!

Scotland Yard detectives probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance are saying she might have been taken by three burglars who’d been robbing apartments in the area.

Seriously? Burglars? I’m sorry, but the kind of crooks who break into holiday lets are looking for a few euros, mobiles and a bit of jewellery.

They don’t see a little girl and think, “Oh we’ll take her instead”. They’d run a mile rather than kidnap a child because they’re small-time.

And while they have contacts who can “fence” baubles and cameras, they’re unlikely to have any who can sell children.

The Met are saying they believe these burglars could have taken Maddie because the night she disappeared they were making lots of calls to each other.

Well they would if they were on the rob in an area where cops had been alerted that a little girl was missing.

And if the Met has to write “request letters” to the Portuguese police asking if they can search these men’s homes and access their bank accounts, how close are they to arresting anyone?

(http://i.imgur.com/1fbGqiH.jpg?1)

Four officers from Operation Grange in Portugal last week, are now back in London having made no arrests.

How devastating this must all be for Kate and Gerry McCann – another flurry of headlines, more promises of suspects and arrests... and then nothing. Again!


www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/carole-malone-madeleine-mccann-madness-3102268
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2014, 05:45:23 PM

Any reported ordinary burglaries that night?

And who is to say that they weren't recruited to specifically abduct a Child?  Burglars are low lifes who mix with low lifes.
Or are we going to have a thread protecting poor, benighted burglars in a minute?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 02, 2014, 05:56:24 PM
Any reported ordinary burglaries that night?

And who is to say that they weren't recruited to specifically abduct a Child?  Burglars are low lifes who mix with low lifes.
Or are we going to have a thread protecting poor, benighted burglars in a minute?

Probably not; but Eleanor you would do yourself a favour if you mugged up a bit on how the criminal world actually works then maybe you would wiser better informed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2014, 06:04:38 PM
Probably not; but Eleanor you would do yourself a favour if you mugged up a bit on how the criminal world actually works then maybe you would wiser better informed

Oh, I see.  They all stick to their own little field of criminality, do they?  You are either naive or utterly stupid.
You will be telling us next that people with jobs don't commit crimes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 02, 2014, 06:08:24 PM
Oh, I see.  They all stick to their own little field of criminality, do they?  You are either naive or utterly stupid.
You will be telling us next that people with jobs don't commit crimes.

Have you ever broken the speed limit?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 02, 2014, 06:10:46 PM
Have you ever broken the speed limit?

As it happens, No.  Not even when driving the Aston Martin.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 02, 2014, 06:12:36 PM
As it happens, No.  Not even when driving the Aston Martin.

You have never gone faster than the stated speed limit?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 02, 2014, 06:18:13 PM
Probably not; but Eleanor you would do yourself a favour if you mugged up a bit on how the criminal world actually works then maybe you would wiser better informed

if you are saying you are familiar with the ways criminals operate I wouldn't have thought that this incudes criminals who would abduct  a young child
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 02, 2014, 06:19:16 PM
As it happens, No.  Not even when driving the Aston Martin.

Understandable - these pedal cars don't go very fast  http://www.bonhams.com/auctions/19283/lot/172/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 02, 2014, 06:40:41 PM
Heri's links (which a poster on Myths had found) were not theses on statistics.

Here's the post again.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg124879#msg124879

My own view is that there is nothing, so far, to indicate the she (or Joana) have been murdered, although they may have been.

On the other hand, these limited studies do tend to indicate that many perpetrators of more serious crimes had already committed less serious ones. The obvious caveat is that a one-time petty burglar / pickpocket / thief / drug user is not necessarily responsible for, nor connected to, a serious crime in the vicinity. However, I can see the reasons for wanting to thoroughly investigating such people to eliminate them and move on. This doesn't seem to have been done in the first instance.

Just to clarify, Heriberto linked this thesis on 6th January which contains a lot of information and discussion about how statistics and records of crimes are compiled, and how this affects our understanding of them:

http://justicestudies.sjsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/thesis-final-pedneault.pdf
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 02, 2014, 07:41:15 PM

Scam us  ?   

I don't think we're being  scammed  ...   but there is certainly a possibility that we are being mislead

How many of these stories have we been fed in recent months  ?  ...  dead heroin addict tractor driver,  child stealing  gypsies,  rogue  'cleaners',  and now,  burglars turned child snatcher

You see,  whilst we are given an endless parade of increasingly grotesque suspects we are constantly  'reminded' that the culprit  ...  the perpetrator  ...  the  abductor  is  'out there'   somewhere,  and we don't  stop to wonder,  "hang on,  if there  is  no real suspect,  perhaps the Portuguese were right all along,  and there  was  no abduction"

I think this deserves a bump!


.....

Twos up on that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 03, 2014, 07:54:04 AM
Oh, I see.  They all stick to their own little field of criminality, do they?  You are either naive or utterly stupid.
You will be telling us next that people with jobs don't commit crimes.

IMO all this 'ridiculing'  that goes on about burglars etc is from people who simply don't want to believe that Madeleine was abducted in the first place.         

It comes to something when even if a paedaphile or any other potential suspect  was in the area around the same time  - they cannot possibly have been involved if they've since died!    Where's the logic in that?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2014, 07:59:46 AM
IMO all this 'ridiculing'  that goes on about burglars etc is from people who simply don't want to believe that Madeleine was abducted in the first place.         

It comes to something when even if a paedaphile or any other potential suspect  was in the area around the same time  - they cannot possibly have been involved if they've since died!    Where's the logic in that?

Imo, all these ridiculous stories about paedos & burglars are invented by people who simply don't want to believe that Maddie wasn't abducted in the first place.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 03, 2014, 08:06:39 AM
Imo, all these ridiculous stories about paedos & burglars are invented by people who simply don't want to believe that Maddie wasn't abducted in the first place.

Precisely.

These stories have continued to to dive into the depths of stupidity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2014, 08:08:30 AM
Precisely.

These stories have continued to to dive into the depths of stupidity.

I reckon it was Steve what did it.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3304.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 03, 2014, 08:11:45 AM
Precisely.

These stories have continued to to dive into the depths of stupidity.

I would say that the most stupid idea is that..


the McCannns would do half the things they have been accused of.....the whole idea is just too ridiculous for words
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 03, 2014, 08:17:38 AM
Your right, they didn't do things by halves, unless they dismembered her first that is.

I quite enjoy you being so totally vile...not an insult by the way...just an observation...it shows the moral bankruptcy of those who support you on this forum...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 03, 2014, 11:04:22 AM
Just to clarify, Heriberto linked this thesis on 6th January which contains a lot of information and discussion about how statistics and records of crimes are compiled, and how this affects our understanding of them:

http://justicestudies.sjsu.edu/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/thesis-final-pedneault.pdf

I modified my earlier post as Icabod was correct: the first link was indeed a thesis. My mistake. The second one wasn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: CPN on February 03, 2014, 11:06:39 AM
A further article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550836/Maddie-McCann-detectives-probe-Portuguese-gypsy-site-15-minutes-hotel-three-year-old-snatched-2007.html 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on February 03, 2014, 11:08:20 AM
I have been asked to remind everyone to please keep posts relevant to latest news on the search for Madeleine.  Thanks y'all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 03, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
A further article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550836/Maddie-McCann-detectives-probe-Portuguese-gypsy-site-15-minutes-hotel-three-year-old-snatched-2007.html

Hey Ho, further rubbish
I suppose burglars are now just so 'yesterday'.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on February 03, 2014, 11:12:14 AM
A further article: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2550836/Maddie-McCann-detectives-probe-Portuguese-gypsy-site-15-minutes-hotel-three-year-old-snatched-2007.html

Bloody hell!   Are we back to the gypsy thieves again and after what happened in Ireland and Bulgaria.  Do gypsy's really abduct children these days or is this another myth??   I feel a new thread coming on   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on February 03, 2014, 11:12:44 AM
The Judicial Police are searching for a 40 year old man who worked as a driver at the Ocean Club tourist resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared. According to sources at the Daily News, the man was responsible for transporting tourists from the resort to Faro Airport.

09:32 - February 3, 2014 | By By Minute News

Praia da Luz, near Lagos, is again subject to enquiries by the Judicial Police. This time the target is the former driver of the resort where the McCanns were staying with their children in May 2007.

According to the Daily News, the former driver of the minibus at the Ocean Club would have been about 40 years of age. After the incident, the man, single, left the project, worked in a bar and is unemployed at this time.

"They've been here a few days ago, three individuals who identified themselves as being from the Judicial Police and wanted to know where a man who worked for the Ocean Club Company when Maddie disappeared resides. At the time he used to transport tourists from Faro Airport to the apartments of the project in Praia da Luz Then at the end of the holidays he took customers to the airport to return to their respective countries. He was accustomed to always using a phone, a local resident of Praia da Luz told the Daily News.

Described as "quiet and polite," the man brought a new presence of the PJ to Praia da Luz, a few days after four British investigators from Scotland Yard were in a meeting in Faro.

On the table at the meeting, which included Cramo Mota, responsible for the Board of Southern PJ, and Ana Paula Rito, the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, was a request to the Portuguese police for cooperation for cooperation in several matters.


http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/168408/motorista-de-hotel-algarvio-procurado-a-reboque-do-caso-maddie#.Uu95e5NFDX5

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 03, 2014, 11:15:19 AM
Hey Ho, further rubbish
I suppose burglars are now just so 'yesterday'.   @)(++(*

What next I wonder.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 03, 2014, 11:25:15 AM
Hey Ho, further rubbish
I suppose burglars are now just so 'yesterday'.   @)(++(*

Its your fault, I told you yesterday not to tempt fate wondering whats next!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 03, 2014, 11:31:21 AM
From the Mail article:

A Briton who has a holiday home near where the McCann family stayed in Praia da Luz told the paper officers from Scotland Yard had asked him about Meia Praia.

He said: 'They wanted to know everything that I knew about the people living there.'

>@@(*&) Are they trying to create a diplomatic incident here? The Brits can't go around 'investigating' in other countries.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 03, 2014, 11:33:07 AM
Though it may not actually be true. It's a newspaper 8-)(--)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 03, 2014, 11:41:04 AM
Though it may not actually be true. It's a newspaper 8-)(--)

This traveller campsite described by the Sun as a denzen of iniquity is not very googlable in that respect

I found reference to a local weekly gypsy market but other than that its a camping site for holidaymakers not a gypsy site per se

 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 03, 2014, 11:42:23 AM
The Judicial Police are searching for a 40 year old man who worked as a driver at the Ocean Club tourist resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared. According to sources at the Daily News, the man was responsible for transporting tourists from the resort to Faro Airport.

09:32 - February 3, 2014 | By By Minute News

Praia da Luz, near Lagos, is again subject to enquiries by the Judicial Police. This time the target is the former driver of the resort where the McCanns were staying with their children in May 2007.

According to the Daily News, the former driver of the minibus at the Ocean Club would have been about 40 years of age. After the incident, the man, single, left the project, worked in a bar and is unemployed at this time.

"They've been here a few days ago, three individuals who identified themselves as being from the Judicial Police and wanted to know where a man who worked for the Ocean Club Company when Maddie disappeared resides. At the time he used to transport tourists from Faro Airport to the apartments of the project in Praia da Luz Then at the end of the holidays he took customers to the airport to return to their respective countries. He was accustomed to always using a phone, a local resident of Praia da Luz told the Daily News.

Described as "quiet and polite," the man brought a new presence of the PJ to Praia da Luz, a few days after four British investigators from Scotland Yard were in a meeting in Faro.

On the table at the meeting, which included Cramo Mota, responsible for the Board of Southern PJ, and Ana Paula Rito, the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, was a request to the Portuguese police for cooperation for cooperation in several matters.


http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/168408/motorista-de-hotel-algarvio-procurado-a-reboque-do-caso-maddie#.Uu95e5NFDX5



Bernardino de Abreu Pereia da Silva?

Teofilo Manuel Furtado Castela - Administrative Services Manager - Witness statement

Bernardino Silva, told him on Friday, the 04 of May, that the day prior, the date the child went missing, that he saw a strange individual around the resort.

Bernardino de Abreu Pereia da Silva

He states that at no moment, did he notice the presence of anyone with an abnormal behaviour, as regards children, or anything else which appeared to be of suspicious nature.

When asked, he says he no longer works for the MW OC for health reasons, he made the decision to resign.

 When questioned about having made a telephone call on 3rd May at 21.00.11 having activated antennas in P da L, when his working day finished at 20.30, he says that on this day, as well as on others, he was delayed because he had to carry out the transport, even though it was late, of some tourists. At this time he was driving the minibus belonging to the establishment. H e also says, that on this day, as well as the transport already referred to, he was late because of the fact that some tourists did not have the key to their apartment.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.345 (http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2705.345) #355
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:46:52 AM
It is good the police is investigating everyone.

It is not good that the local ex pats are reporting it to the media..

Now we know the source of the uk papers stories..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2014, 11:48:08 AM
Bloody hell!   Are we back to the gypsy thieves again and after what happened in Ireland and Bulgaria.  Do gypsy's really abduct children these days or is this another myth??   I feel a new thread coming on   @)(++(*

I'm struggling to keep up with all these suspects.

Have Islamic extremists been ruled out yet?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 03, 2014, 11:49:38 AM
It is good the police is investigating everyone.

It is not good that the local ex pats are reporting it to the media..

Now we know the source of the uk papers stories..

It's not good if it's illegal, Vixte.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 03, 2014, 11:51:08 AM
Its your fault, I told you yesterday not to tempt fate wondering whats next!

I suppose if I were a gypsy, I could have foretold it    @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2014, 11:53:11 AM

Have Tramps been ruled out yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TOSZwEwl_1Q
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on February 03, 2014, 12:37:56 PM
...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 03, 2014, 01:22:03 PM
The motorist had a previous record for theft, but he is not Bernardino ... Though Bernardino is somewhat related to him.

Thanks Henri. The only other driver name I have is Jose Carlos Fernandes da Silva. Doesn't say he drives to Faro airport in his statement.

Maddy case police seek minibus driver By Gerard Couzens (excerpts)

Subsequent inquiries by Portuguese police are said to have revealed the suspect workers made an unusually high number of calls to each other after Madeleine went missing.

The source quoted by Diario de Noticias said the former Ocean Club minibus driver "was always using his mobile phone".

The unnamed hotel worker added: "He was very easy-going and educated."

"However, the PJ will not be commenting on the content of this meeting."

Almeida Rodrigues, the PJ's National Director, added: "We cannot say anything else because when we cooperate with our British colleagues within the framework of an 'International Letter of Request', we are bound by professional secrecy."

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddy-case-police-seek-minibus-driver (http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/news/maddy-case-police-seek-minibus-driver)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on February 03, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 03, 2014, 02:48:44 PM
The motorist had a previous record for theft, but he is not Bernardino, though Bernardino is somewhat related to him.

"Heribertoman" is the motorist, but I can not say more by now.

Oh, I'm sure you can - and will  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 03, 2014, 03:49:22 PM
I reckon it was Steve what did it.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3304.0

It's a good Egyptian name, that - Steve
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 03:52:28 PM
I don't like this people naming on public forums  8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 03, 2014, 03:57:41 PM
I modified my earlier post as Icabod was correct: the first link was indeed a thesis. My mistake. The second one wasn't.

OK thanks for clarifying, Carana
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 03, 2014, 04:03:36 PM
I'm struggling to keep up with all these suspects.

Have Islamic extremists been ruled out yet?

Your work is snowballing, WS!

Did you realise the scale of your task at the start?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 03, 2014, 05:18:30 PM
Bloody hell!   Are we back to the gypsy thieves again and after what happened in Ireland and Bulgaria.  Do gypsy's really abduct children these days or is this another myth??   I feel a new thread coming on   @)(++(*

...  and I feel a song coming on


Gypsys tramps and thieves  ...


further and further into the realms of fantasy it goes


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 03, 2014, 05:59:27 PM



...  and I feel a song coming on


Gypsys tramps and thieves  ...


further and further into the realms of fantasy it goes





Have Tramps been ruled out yet?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TOSZwEwl_1Q
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 08:04:22 PM
...  and I feel a song coming on


Gypsys tramps and thieves  ...


further and further into the realms of fantasy it goes

Are you saying that PDL does not have these?

I mean the near by gypsy camp, employees with criminal records ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on February 03, 2014, 09:21:24 PM
So we've gone full circle to back to gypsies. Utter farce.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 03, 2014, 09:24:05 PM
Are you saying that PDL does not have these?

I mean the near by gypsy camp, employees with criminal records ?

Have you considered that the perpetrator of this heinous crime may not have a criminal record ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on February 03, 2014, 09:25:12 PM
Have you considered that the perpetrator of this heinous crime may not have a criminal record ?

he almost certainly hasn't  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 03, 2014, 09:30:45 PM
So we've gone full circle to back to gypsies. Utter farce.

It's been a farce for quite some time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 03, 2014, 09:33:01 PM
So we've gone full circle to back to gypsies. Utter farce.

sherlock
Eliminate all other factors and the one that remains must be true

And

When you elimnate the impossible whatver remains however improbable must be the truth


 8**8:/:

http://www.sherlockholmesquotes.com/

must admit he might have been on the wacky backy before some of them quotes.

Enjoy.

 8((()*/


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 03, 2014, 11:07:24 PM
Have you considered that the perpetrator of this heinous crime may not have a criminal record ?
He may not, Jassi, but it is more likely than not
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:07:45 PM
Have you considered that the perpetrator of this heinous crime may not have a criminal record ?

Yes, it can be simply anyone.

But if the no police is looking at parents as potential suspect why force it and not look elsewhere.

I have seen people in here rubbishing every possible lead, any lead that is not pointing at parents.

This is not how the open minded and intelligent people should think.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:09:43 PM
We have Madeleine on front pages again

(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/3/286667/default/v1/express-1-329x437.jpg)

(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/3/286669/default/v1/star-1-329x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 03, 2014, 11:12:23 PM
Vixte, you  just answered your own question.

How many different suspects have there been so far this year? And it's only 3rd February.

Two papers, two front pages, two different sets of suspects!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:18:31 PM
Vixte, you  just answered your own question.

Wel, I try to be open minded.

But no one can sell me the idea that no expert police is perusing at the moment.

They have much more to work with than any of us and I would be supporting these professionals.

To think that Amaral is the only professional and everyone else in this case is rubbish .. oh c'mon which planet this would happen on.. plus the Amaral guy has a criminal record and is no longer a policeman..
And the other guy that was also loud on the parents guilt, Amaral's friend, Christovao, didn't he also write a book on Madeleine... he is now the worst criminal than the criminals he used to catch..
And I should trust these people? And not Scotland Yard or Official PJ stance?

To me this is like a following some cult on north pole which has no touch with reality..

Sorry but my own opinion..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 03, 2014, 11:31:40 PM
Wel, I try to be open minded.

But no one can sell me the idea that no expert police is perusing at the moment.

They have much more to work with than any of us and I would be supporting these professionals.

To think that Amaral is the only professional and everyone else in this case is rubbish .. oh c'mon which planet this would happen on.. plus the Amaral guy has a criminal record and is no longer a policeman..
And the other guy that was also loud on the parents guilt, Amaral's friend, Christovao, didn't he also write a book on Madeleine... he is now the worst criminal than the criminals he used to catch..
And I should trust these people? And not Scotland Yard or Official PJ stance?

To me this is like a following some cult on north pole which has no touch with reality..

Sorry but my own opinion..

Nothing wrong with having your opinion. But it seems the papers were saying the same thing before the Met went to Portugal (was it only last week?) but now they're back to independent speculation again.

Sorry to be cynical.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:35:29 PM
Nothing wrong with having your opinion. But it seems the papers were saying the same thing before the Met went to Portugal (was it only last week?) but now they're back to independent speculation again.

Sorry to be cynical.

Papers are not the official positions.
They write whatever they can find. And if they cannot get any real story from the police they would make up one.
There you have a clueless jouno who doesn't know about the case even as much as we know and who is digging to find news for his new article.
Whatever he gets he writes.. because Madeleine sells papers..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 03, 2014, 11:38:38 PM
Wel, I try to be open minded.

But no one can sell me the idea that no expert police is perusing at the moment.

They have much more to work with than any of us and I would be supporting these professionals.

To think that Amaral is the only professional and everyone else in this case is rubbish .. oh c'mon which planet this would happen on.. plus the Amaral guy has a criminal record and is no longer a policeman..
And the other guy that was also loud on the parents guilt, Amaral's friend, Christovao, didn't he also write a book on Madeleine... he is now the worst criminal than the criminals he used to catch..
And I should trust these people? And not Scotland Yard or Official PJ stance?

To me this is like a following some cult on north pole which has no touch with reality..

Sorry but my own opinion..
8@??)( 8@??)( 8@??)(

couldn't agree more
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 03, 2014, 11:39:51 PM
Papers are not the official positions.
They write whatever they can find. And if they cannot get any real story from the police they would make up one.
There you have a clueless jouno who doesn't know about the case even as much as we know and who is digging to find news for his new article.
Whatever he gets he writes.. because Madeleine sells papers..

That appears to be true again today but it's not true when obvious big cordinated pushes are underway when all papers speak with the same voice - like Crimewatch and like the burglars story in the New Year.

So why do the papers have different voices today when this time last week they all spoke the same?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:45:35 PM
That appears to be true again today but it's not true when obvious big cordinated pushes are underway when all papers speak with the same voice - like Crimewatch and like the burglars story in the New Year.

So why do the papers have different voices today when this time last week they all spoke the same?

Well.. these papers are tabloids, not the trusted sources.  In any other area of life they are there to spread rumours.
We should all listen to BBC, Guardian, Independent and wait for their articles. But they come so rarely and we cannot wait.. we are curious.
We know the tabloids are maybe wrong and maybe are talking rubbish but we are addicted to this case and any news is accepted by our brain to feed this curiosity.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 03, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
he almost certainly hasn't  8)--))

Very funny, Apostate.

But on a more serious note, it is highly unusual for someone in mid-life to commit a crime - any crime.

'Crimes of passion' (killing or harming a spouse on discovery of an affair, for example) are the exception to the rule, and even these are a rarity.

The criminal career starts at a young age and typically passes through stages of progressively more serious crime - in type and scale - as the years go on. (This  correlates with Heriberto's research, which shows the potential diversity of a given criminal).

Serious criminals, by the time they reach middle age, have varied and impressive criminal portfolios.

The person I assume you are referring to, as you quite correctly point out, does not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 03, 2014, 11:52:08 PM
Very funny, Apostate.

But on a more serious note, it is highly unusual for someone in mid-life to commit a crime - any crime.

'Crimes of passion' (killing or harming a spouse on discovery of an affair, for example) are the exception to the rule, and even these are a rarity.

The criminal career starts at a young age and typically passes through stages of progressively more serious crime - in type and scale - as the years go on. (This  correlates with Heriberto's research, which shows the potential diversity of a given criminal).

Serious criminals, by the time they reach middle age, have varied and impressive criminal portfolios.

The person you are referring to does not.

Following this logic the offender who took Madeleine would be expected to re-offend.
But he hasn't. At least we are not aware that any other child is taken!

But for example if the same person has taken Joana and Madeleine then he would be expected to be at the same time near Jonna's village and PDL and if he is still free he is long due to take another child.. but he did not.. Why?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 04, 2014, 12:08:23 AM
Following this logic the offender who took Madeleine would be expected to re-offend.
But he hasn't. At least we are not aware that any other child is taken!

But for example if the same person has taken Joana and Madeleine then he would be expected to be at the same time near Jonna's village and PDL and if he is still free he is long due to take another child.. but he did not.. Why?

Well in actual fact VIXTE we don't know if he has re-offended or not. He is very possibly still at large.

Alternatively, he could have been incarcerated for something else. Perhaps involved in other types of crime - petty or serious remember. Whatever his needs dictate at the time, he'll take the criminal route if it works for him. That's the MO.

Do we imagine this individual having lived a blameless life since 2007?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 04, 2014, 12:40:02 AM
The Judicial Police are searching for a 40 year old man who worked as a driver at the Ocean Club tourist resort where Madeleine McCann disappeared. According to sources at the Daily News, the man was responsible for transporting tourists from the resort to Faro Airport.
09:32 - February 3, 2014 | By By Minute News
Praia da Luz, near Lagos, is again subject to enquiries by the Judicial Police. This time the target is the former driver of the resort where the McCanns were staying with their children in May 2007.
According to the Daily News, the former driver of the minibus at the Ocean Club would have been about 40 years of age. After the incident, the man, single, left the project, worked in a bar and is unemployed at this time.
"They've been here a few days ago, three individuals who identified themselves as being from the Judicial Police and wanted to know where a man who worked for the Ocean Club Company when Maddie disappeared resides. At the time he used to transport tourists from Faro Airport to the apartments of the project in Praia da Luz Then at the end of the holidays he took customers to the airport to return to their respective countries. He was accustomed to always using a phone, a local resident of Praia da Luz told the Daily News.
Described as "quiet and polite," the man brought a new presence of the PJ to Praia da Luz, a few days after four British investigators from Scotland Yard were in a meeting in Faro.
On the table at the meeting, which included Cramo Mota, responsible for the Board of Southern PJ, and Ana Paula Rito, the coordinator of the Criminal Investigation Department in Portimão, was a request to the Portuguese police for cooperation for cooperation in several matters.
http://www.noticiasaominuto.com/pais/168408/motorista-de-hotel-algarvio-procurado-a-reboque-do-caso-maddie#.Uu95e5NFDX5
IMO on wrong track here.
If it is the employee I think, late home is verified independently, statement is verified independently, conscientious worker.
Here we have a focusing on portuguese suspects, unreasonable british superiority. Dissing  honest + working class + portuguese workers, when the perp indiv may well belong to none of those 3 categories IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 04, 2014, 06:50:07 AM
Following this logic the offender who took Madeleine would be expected to re-offend.
But he hasn't. At least we are not aware that any other child is taken!

But for example if the same person has taken Joana and Madeleine then he would be expected to be at the same time near Jonna's village and PDL and if he is still free he is long due to take another child.. but he did not.. Why?

Because NO ONE took Joana, because her family KILLED HER thats why................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 04, 2014, 07:26:55 AM
Very funny, Apostate.

But on a more serious note, it is highly unusual for someone in mid-life to commit a crime - any crime.

'Crimes of passion' (killing or harming a spouse on discovery of an affair, for example) are the exception to the rule, and even these are a rarity.

The criminal career starts at a young age and typically passes through stages of progressively more serious crime - in type and scale - as the years go on. (This  correlates with Heriberto's research, which shows the potential diversity of a given criminal).

Serious criminals, by the time they reach middle age, have varied and impressive criminal portfolios.

The person I assume you are referring to, as you quite correctly point out, does not.

But of course this is not always true. People are not always caught. I'm going to inbox you an article now to prove my point.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2014, 07:59:33 AM
4th February 2014

Daily Star

Maddie cops hunt ex-hotel minibus driver in fresh lead

POLICE are hunting a former minibus driver at the Algarve holiday resort where Madeleine McCann went missing.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/363893/Madeleine-McCann-cops-hunt-ex-hotel-minibus-driver-in-fresh-lead
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 04, 2014, 08:18:29 AM
4th February 2014

Daily Star

Maddie cops hunt ex-hotel minibus driver in fresh lead

POLICE are hunting a former minibus driver at the Algarve holiday resort where Madeleine McCann went missing.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/363893/Madeleine-McCann-cops-hunt-ex-hotel-minibus-driver-in-fresh-lead

When you thought the stories couldn't degenerate any further.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 04, 2014, 08:22:17 AM
When you thought the stories couldn't degenerate any further.

There were far worse stories in the early days when the pj were investigating and leaking to the press
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 04, 2014, 08:24:25 AM
There were far worse stories in the early days when the pj were investigating and leaking to the press

Both sides leaked like sieves.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 04, 2014, 08:30:33 AM
Following this logic the offender who took Madeleine would be expected to re-offend.
But he hasn't. At least we are not aware that any other child is taken!

But for example if the same person has taken Joana and Madeleine then he would be expected to be at the same time near Jonna's village and PDL and if he is still free he is long due to take another child.. but he did not.. Why?

As the perpetrator is being portrayed as an  burglar stealing to order, its obvious that he has given up on his life of crime and is living in retirement on his ill-gotten gains.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 04, 2014, 08:33:07 AM
When you thought the stories couldn't degenerate any further.

Isn't this just the copy of the story published in Diario de Noticias?

This was not the PJ leak but the source is the people of PDL, they said the PJ asked them about the man.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 04, 2014, 08:35:43 AM
As the perpetrator is being portrayed as an  burglar stealing to order, its obvious that he has given up on his life of crime and is living in retirement on his ill-gotten gains.

Or he's moved into women trafficking which no one investigates anyway..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 04, 2014, 08:39:02 AM
Both sides leaked like sieves.

don't agree
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 04, 2014, 09:14:26 AM
Well in actual fact VIXTE we don't know if he has re-offended or not. He is very possibly still at large.

Alternatively, he could have been incarcerated for something else. Perhaps involved in other types of crime - petty or serious remember. Whatever his needs dictate at the time, he'll take the criminal route if it works for him. That's the MO.

Do we imagine this individual having lived a blameless life since 2007?

Downright fear might have put them or him off.  They might get caught next time.  And that would be seriously unfunny for anyone.  Imagine what could happen to them in prison, even on remand.  Although I most definitely do not approve of rough justice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 04, 2014, 10:07:19 AM
Papers are not the official positions.
They write whatever they can find. And if they cannot get any real story from the police they would make up one.
There you have a clueless jouno who doesn't know about the case even as much as we know and who is digging to find news for his new article.
Whatever he gets he writes.. because Madeleine sells papers..

Totally agree with you VIXTE.   As far as I know SY or the PJ have not said anything more than they want to speak to certain people.    The rest is just a mixture of rehashed old news   - and the usual press speculation aided and abetted by every reporters imaginary best friend i.e. 'an unnamed source'.

Some people are speculating on press speculation and are now talking as if the information is directly from the police imo.

As soon as I read ...'a source close to' ...or.... 'an unnamed' source'.... or..... ''It is believed....''  etc etc etc -  I lose all interest as IMO it casts too much doubt on the veracity of the article.

The McCann name sells newspapers.  End of.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on February 04, 2014, 10:16:01 AM
Totally agree with you VIXTE.   As far as I know SY or the PJ have not said anything more than they want to speak to certain people.    The rest is just a mixture of rehashed old news   - and the usual press speculation aided and abetted by every reporters imaginary best friend i.e. 'an unnamed source'.

Some people are speculating on press speculation and are now talking as if the information is directly from the police imo.

As soon as I read ...'a source close to' ...or.... 'an unnamed' source'.... or..... ''It is believed....''  etc etc etc -  I lose all interest as IMO it casts too much doubt on the veracity of the article.

The McCann name sells newspapers.  End of.

VIXTE, Benice, Eleanor ... The man I was talking about all these months was an OC employee driver with a record for theft. He seems to be the man PJ is investigating now. But he is not Bernardino. Bernardino was married and now would be 66 years old. More on http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com) ... Although Bernardino would be closely related to this man.

The another man, who Bernardino saw as a suspect, was investigated by PJ in 2007, he lived in Rua Direita in front of the Post Office. And he was correctly discarded in 2007, IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 04, 2014, 10:25:24 AM

Thank you, Heri.  I have always thought you were on the right track.  It is no surprise to me that an Ocean Club employee could be involved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 04, 2014, 10:43:28 AM
VIXTE, Benice, Eleanor ... The man I was talking about all these months was an OC employee driver with a record for theft. He seems to be the man PJ is investigating now. But he is not Bernardino. Bernardino was married and now would be 66 years old. More on http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com (http://espacioexterior.blogspot.com) ... Although Bernardino would be closely related to this man.

The another man, who Bernardino saw as a suspect, was investigated by PJ in 2007, he lived in Rua Direita in front of the Post Office. And he was correctly discarded in 2007, IMO.


Thankyou for that Heri. 

My point was that IMO some people are not differentiating between press speculation and what SY and the PJ have actually released in their official statements.   It was a general observation as it seems to me that some people are attributing speculation by reporters to SY and the PJ.   

I certainly don't include you in that observation.    Your meticulous investigation into this case have raised some extremely valid points imo.








Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 04, 2014, 04:11:42 PM

Thankyou for that Heri. 

My point was that IMO some people are not differentiating between press speculation and what SY and the PJ have actually released in their official statements.   It was a general observation as it seems to me that some people are attributing speculation by reporters to SY and the PJ.   

I certainly don't include you in that observation.    Your meticulous investigation into this case have raised some extremely valid points imo.

Yes, this is an important distinction, Benice.

There is the fact that a lot of what is contained in press reports is unsubstantiated.

But  this is no reason to assume that SY and the PJ  are not working professionally on matters of substance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 04, 2014, 08:19:38 PM
Because NO ONE took Joana, because her family KILLED HER thats why................

I had assumed that the family was involved, based on casual reading of the PT press.

When I started to pay more attention... I couldn't find anything to substantiate that assumption.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 04, 2014, 08:30:38 PM
I had assumed that the family was involved, based on casual reading of the PT press.

When I started to pay more attention... I couldn't find anything to substantiate that assumption.



Apart from confession of course.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 04, 2014, 09:04:20 PM
Apart from confession of course.

In somewhat dubious conditions...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on February 05, 2014, 08:26:33 PM
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
I think they are looking for the man in this statement
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 05, 2014, 09:04:59 PM
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
I think they are looking for the man in this statement

Do you mean the laundry man or the car being parked there used for laundry?

Also, I wanted to ask you.. there was a huge thread on 'cars in the PDL at the night of 3rd May' on some forum, not sure what forum that was might be 3 Arguidos.. do you think these threads are preserved anywhere?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 05, 2014, 09:15:03 PM
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/STEPHEN-CARPENTER.htm
I think they are looking for the man in this statement

The man with the grey hair?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on February 05, 2014, 09:17:09 PM
Do you mean the laundry man or the car being parked there used for laundry?

Also, I wanted to ask you.. there was a huge thread on 'cars in the PDL at the night of 3rd May' on some forum, not sure what forum that was might be 3 Arguidos.. do you think these threads are preserved anywhere?

Maybe both . The garage with the bed is strange

Not sure about thread about cars .the mccamns or cars in general that was around
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 05, 2014, 09:23:59 PM
Wonder if Steven Carpenter is Tannerman?

Carrying his child around 9.30?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 05, 2014, 09:59:48 PM
Wonder if Steven Carpenter is Tannerman?

Carrying his child around 9.30?

I thought the same..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 05, 2014, 10:04:21 PM
Maybe both . The garage with the bed is strange

I agree.. Was the laundry man's son ever questioned?
I do remember a statement saying the person went out to pick up his step son.. not sure if this was the same one..



Quote
Not sure about thread about cars .the mccamns or cars in general that was around

No.. that was about the cars in general.. all cars people saw in PDL .. out of all statements and all newspapers..
It was a lovely thread.. full of information..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 05, 2014, 11:31:41 PM
I agree.. Was the laundry man's son ever questioned?
I do remember a statement saying the person went out to pick up his step son.. not sure if this was the same one..




It could have been HIM!!

WS stick laundryman on the suspect list


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 06, 2014, 12:27:29 AM
It could have been HIM!!

WS stick laundryman on the suspect list

The laundry man said in his statement that he went to pick up his step son at 9.30 but we don't know if this is the same laundry man from the Carpenters statement and the same son who lives at the garage..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 06, 2014, 07:15:11 AM
Wonder if Steven Carpenter is Tannerman?

Carrying his child around 9.30?

His children were 3 1/2 years and 5 months. Apparently Innocentman's daughter was 2 years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2014, 09:07:42 AM

6th February 2014

Daily Mirror

Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from a holiday flat in Portugal.

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot.

The unnamed mum reported it to Portuguese police at the time, but it is claimed they failed to search the area or take fingerprints.

Detectives investigating three-year-old Maddy’s disappearance have now interviewed the mum.

A source said: “British detectives are keen to establish whether Portuguese officers missed a crucial line of inquiry here.

“There is some confusion over why this was not taken more seriously.”

It was reported that the mum said she heard a noise late one night and caught the intruder heading for the cot.

The would-be-kidnapper fled the apartment, thought to be in an apartment in an Algarve resort north of Praia da Luz, where Maddy was taken.

The alleged incident happened in 2010 - three years after Maddy vanished from her bed while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and twin brother and sister.

Scotland Yard detectives are still waiting for permission to quiz three ex-staff members at the complex where the McCanns of Rothley, Leics, stayed.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3116263
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2014, 09:17:45 AM
6th February 2014

Daily Mirror

Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot 

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from a holiday flat in Portugal.

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot.

The unnamed mum reported it to Portuguese police at the time, but it is claimed they failed to search the area or take fingerprints.

Detectives investigating three-year-old Maddy’s disappearance have now interviewed the mum.

A source said: “British detectives are keen to establish whether Portuguese officers missed a crucial line of inquiry here.

“There is some confusion over why this was not taken more seriously.”

It was reported
that the mum said she heard a noise late one night and caught the intruder heading for the cot.

The would-be-kidnapper fled the apartment, thought to be in an apartment in an Algarve resort north of Praia da Luz, where Maddy was taken.

The alleged incident happened in 2010 - three years after Maddy vanished from her bed while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and twin brother and sister.

Scotland Yard detectives are still waiting for permission to quiz three ex-staff members at the complex where the McCanns of Rothley, Leics, stayed.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3116263

Another fantasy piece ?

I believe the libel trial is due back on, possibly tomorrow, so very timely of the Mirror.

The only bit likely to be true is the last sentence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2014, 09:22:29 AM
Another fantasy piece ?

I believe the libel trial is due back on, possibly tomorrow, so very timely of the Mirror.


Indeed, total bullcrap.

The other tabloid rags will be running this codswallop next.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 06, 2014, 10:07:41 AM
6th February 2014

Daily Mirror

Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from a holiday flat in Portugal.

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot.

The unnamed mum reported it to Portuguese police at the time, but it is claimed they failed to search the area or take fingerprints.

Detectives investigating three-year-old Maddy’s disappearance have now interviewed the mum.

A source said: “British detectives are keen to establish whether Portuguese officers missed a crucial line of inquiry here.

“There is some confusion over why this was not taken more seriously.”

It was reported that the mum said she heard a noise late one night and caught the intruder heading for the cot.

The would-be-kidnapper fled the apartment, thought to be in an apartment in an Algarve resort north of Praia da Luz, where Maddy was taken.

The alleged incident happened in 2010 - three years after Maddy vanished from her bed while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and twin brother and sister.

Scotland Yard detectives are still waiting for permission to quiz three ex-staff members at the complex where the McCanns of Rothley, Leics, stayed.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3116263

Give me strength !. Redwood must be p***ing himself with laughter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2014, 10:12:51 AM
Give me strength !. Redwood must be p***ing himself with laughter.

 "she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot"

It really is fairytale abductor cack isn't it.

I wonder if he was creepy looking with a 70's mexican tash & smelled of garlic.



"she chased an intruder away" 

Wife: "Shooo, go on get out of here"

Husband: "Whats the matter dear?"

Wife: "Those bloody child abductors have been in here again"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 06, 2014, 10:42:38 AM
"she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot"

It really is fairytale abductor cack isn't it.

I wonder if he was creepy looking with a 70's mexican tash & smelled of garlic.



"she chased an intruder away" 

Wife: "Shooo, go on get out of here"

Husband: "Whats the matter dear?"

Wife: "Those bloody child abductors have been in here again"

That's what comes of going to the Algarve and the Costa Verde is full of Spanish Gitanos best give Portugal the elbow next year.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 06, 2014, 11:45:24 AM

Daily Record jumps on the bandwagon.


6 Feb 2014 11:16

Daily Record

Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A MUM has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot


POLICE investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from a holiday flat in Portugal.

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot.

The unnamed mum reported it to Portuguese police at the time, but it is claimed they failed to search the area or take fingerprints.
 
Detectives investigating three-year-old Maddy’s disappearance have now interviewed the mum.
 
A source said: “British detectives are keen to establish whether Portuguese officers missed a crucial line of inquiry here.
 
“There is some confusion over why this was not taken more seriously.”
 
It was reported that the mum said she heard a noise late one night and caught the intruder heading for the cot.
 
The would-be-kidnapper fled the apartment, thought to be in an apartment in an Algarve resort north of Praia da Luz, where Maddy was taken.
 
The alleged incident happened in 2010 - three years after Maddy vanished from her bed while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and twin brother and sister.

Scotland Yard detectives are still waiting for permission to quiz three ex-staff members at the complex where the McCanns of Rothley, Leics, stayed.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3117225
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 06, 2014, 12:10:06 PM
Daily Record jumps on the bandwagon.


6 Feb 2014 11:16

Daily Record

Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A MUM has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot


POLICE investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from a holiday flat in Portugal.

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot.

The unnamed mum reported it to Portuguese police at the time, but it is claimed they failed to search the area or take fingerprints.
 
Detectives investigating three-year-old Maddy’s disappearance have now interviewed the mum.
 
A source said: “British detectives are keen to establish whether Portuguese officers missed a crucial line of inquiry here.
 
“There is some confusion over why this was not taken more seriously.”
 
It was reported that the mum said she heard a noise late one night and caught the intruder heading for the cot.
 
The would-be-kidnapper fled the apartment, thought to be in an apartment in an Algarve resort north of Praia da Luz, where Maddy was taken.
 
The alleged incident happened in 2010 - three years after Maddy vanished from her bed while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and twin brother and sister.

Scotland Yard detectives are still waiting for permission to quiz three ex-staff members at the complex where the McCanns of Rothley, Leics, stayed.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3117225

Barrels bottoms scraping of? Sheer desperation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 06, 2014, 12:35:42 PM
The Portugal News says
Quote
..... contrary to information contained in British tabloids in the past fortnight suggesting police were hot on the trail of a group of burglars, police were actually interested in speaking to three staff members who were at the resort the night Madeleine disappeared.

Sources close to the case told The Portugal News on Thursday that these individuals were of particular interest as they had made “an abnormally high number of mobile phone calls to areas outside the resort the night she went missing”.

The source explained that these calls were domestic, but unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the trio made domestic calls to areas of no geographical interest in the ensuing search.
http://theportugalnews.com/news/new-turn-in-madeleine-case/30497

So three 2007 employees, with no connection to any burglaries, are unfairly placed under suspicion, simply because they used their mobiles to call places outside PDL that night.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2014, 12:44:13 PM
I wonder what is considered an 'abnormally high' number of calls ? Some people are welded to their phones, whereas other seldom use them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 06, 2014, 12:50:08 PM
Considering most of the employees were from somewhere else is it really surprising that they were making calls out with the local area?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2014, 01:00:34 PM

How many times do you phone home in one night if you are working?  How many times do you phone home if you are not working?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 06, 2014, 01:03:10 PM
The Portugal News sayshttp://theportugalnews.com/news/new-turn-in-madeleine-case/30497
. contrary to information contained in British tabloids in the past fortnight suggesting police were hot on the trail of a group of burglars, police were actually interested in speaking to three staff members who were at the resort the night Madeleine disappeared.

Sources close to the case told The Portugal News on Thursday that these individuals were of particular interest as they had made “an abnormally high number of mobile phone calls to areas outside the resort the night she went missing”.

The source explained that these calls were domestic, but unlike their colleagues who called each other as the search proceeded, the trio made domestic calls to areas of no geographical interest in the ensuing search.

So three 2007 employees, with no connection to any burglaries, are unfairly placed under suspicion, simply because they used their mobiles to call places outside PDL that night.

Who are these sources one wonders?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 06, 2014, 01:05:56 PM
There is nothing wrong with employees phoning relatives/friends in their home towns.
Certain tourists that night were also making numerous calls/txts to outside PDL which could not possibly help the search.
Also there would be numerous calls that night and the next morning between PDL and other places by MW/PRcompany/consulate staff.
But only low-paid non-UK "foreigners" get targeted.
Unfair and illogical.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2014, 01:18:56 PM
Who are these sources one wonders?

The counter-spin brigade  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on February 06, 2014, 01:20:04 PM
I wonder what is considered an 'abnormally high' number of calls ? Some people are welded to their phones, whereas other seldom use them.

I have to agree with you on that one.  Lots of people do business on their phone as Robert Murat and Sergei Malinka were doing that night after Madeleine disappeared.   Doesn't make them child abductors though.   8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on February 06, 2014, 01:23:32 PM
There is nothing wrong with employees phoning relatives/friends in their home towns.
Certain tourists that night were also making numerous calls/txts to outside PDL which could not possibly help the search.
Also there would be numerous calls that night and the next morning between PDL and other places by MW/PRcompany/consulate staff.
But only low-paid non-UK "foreigners" get targeted.
Unfair and illogical.

Why is that?  Why is it that only Portuguese workers are being targeted when we know there were hoardes of British paedophiles lurking around??


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 06, 2014, 01:51:18 PM
Why is that?  Why is it that only Portuguese workers are being targeted when we know there were hoardes of British paedophiles lurking around??
According to that "Portugal News" report, the calls were "domestic", meaning between PDL and other parts of Portugal
If SY (illogically IMO) pick out calls that night between PDL and other areas of Portugal, inevitably SY will end up with suspects whose family/friends live in other parts of Portugal, which means mainly Portuguese nationals.

The bias in the investigative technique - selecting calls to other parts of Portugal, rather than calls to foreign countries like UK - results unintentionally yet inevitably in a bias towards harassing innocent Portuguese employees IMO. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2014, 01:56:36 PM
I wouldn't be all that pleased if my employees were making numerous calls during working hours.
And if they weren't working what were they doing there?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 06, 2014, 02:01:14 PM
Why is that?  Why is it that only Portuguese workers are being targeted when we know there were hoardes of British paedophiles lurking around??

Who says that only Portuguese workers are being targeted, aside from the tabloids?

The facts so far seem to be that:

- SY has launched an investigation and PT has relaunched its own one;

- potential leads have been generated by phone traffic;

- SY seems to think that Tannerman is quite likely to be Innocentman, and therefore Smithman has become the focus;

- two sets of ILoRs have been sent and received;

- various meetings have taken place;

- there are attempts to trace various people to interview them, either for the first time, or more in depth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 06, 2014, 02:08:00 PM
The original investigation of mobile phone traffic (which BTW was done by expert UK analysts who went to PDL in May 2007) found only two cases, of non-UK employees who lived outside PDL yet pinged in PDL that night outside their standard work hours.

Both cases where examined and explained. One was an employee who kindly worked late because of work-load and phoned his wife to say he would be late. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2014, 02:28:17 PM
I wouldn't be all that pleased if my employees were making numerous calls during working hours.
And if they weren't working what were they doing there?

I dare say they have every right to be there - the place isn't exclusive to non-Portuguese - maybe they were having a night out.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 06, 2014, 02:51:08 PM
I dare say they have every right to be there - the place isn't exclusive to non-Portuguese - maybe they were having a night out.

And had to phone relatives numerous times.  Some night out.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 06, 2014, 02:53:16 PM
And had to phone relatives numerous times.  Some night out.
Maybe they were sending 'selfies'  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 06, 2014, 03:58:28 PM
Maybe they were sending 'selfies'  @)(++(*

 @)(++(*


How quickly times have changed!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 06, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
The Portugal News sayshttp://theportugalnews.com/news/new-turn-in-madeleine-case/30497

So three 2007 employees, with no connection to any burglaries, are unfairly placed under suspicion, simply because they used their mobiles to call places outside PDL that night.

And how do YOU know this is either fairly or unfairly?
If any of them had a criminal record it would be OK for them to be suspects.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 06, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
And how do YOU know this is either fairly or unfairly?
If any of them had a criminal record it would be OK for them to be suspects.

I find that it would be fair to question anyone in more depth who could have been in the vicinity and didn't have a solid alibi that evening, if only to eliminate them or to probe as to whether they may have had information that they didn't feel willing to share at the time.

I wouldn't have minded if I'd been in the vicinity. Even if you happen to have spent a quiet evening at home on your own, there must be all kinds of questions that could help to establish whether you should be on the front / back burner or eliminated.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 06, 2014, 05:43:05 PM
I find that it would be fair to question anyone in more depth who could have been in the vicinity and didn't have a solid alibi that evening, if only to eliminate them or to probe as to whether they may have had information that they didn't feel willing to share at the time.

I wouldn't have minded if I'd been in the vicinity. Even if you happen to have spent a quiet evening at home on your own, there must be all kinds of questions that could help to establish whether you should be on the front / back burner or eliminated.

I reckon thats pretty much about several million people! Now, where and how to start


 >@@(*&)



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 06, 2014, 07:25:46 PM
And how do YOU know this is either fairly or unfairly?
If any of them had a criminal record it would be OK for them to be suspects.
Because there is no indication any of those three employees have any criminal record.
To imagine they do would be pure conjecture IMO.
One contributor to this site has claimed one of them definitely has a criminal record for theft, but no evidence was provided, I have tried but cannot find any confirmation, so I am assuming for now it is a name coincidence. Very common family name BTW.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 06, 2014, 07:28:13 PM
I reckon thats pretty much about several million people! Now, where and how to start


 >@@(*&)


A growing, interactive, spider's web, I would think.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 06, 2014, 10:13:15 PM
6th February 2014

Daily Mirror

Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot

Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from a holiday flat in Portugal.

A mum has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot.

The unnamed mum reported it to Portuguese police at the time, but it is claimed they failed to search the area or take fingerprints.

Detectives investigating three-year-old Maddy’s disappearance have now interviewed the mum.

A source said: “British detectives are keen to establish whether Portuguese officers missed a crucial line of inquiry here.

“There is some confusion over why this was not taken more seriously.”

It was reported that the mum said she heard a noise late one night and caught the intruder heading for the cot.

The would-be-kidnapper fled the apartment, thought to be in an apartment in an Algarve resort north of Praia da Luz, where Maddy was taken.

The alleged incident happened in 2010 - three years after Maddy vanished from her bed while on holiday with her parents Kate and Gerry and twin brother and sister.

Scotland Yard detectives are still waiting for permission to quiz three ex-staff members at the complex where the McCanns of Rothley, Leics, stayed.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3116263

how does one head towards a childs cot. Is there sat nav? Is there nothing else in the room?

How does this article assert he was a kidnapper rather than a burglar

This rang bells but wrong bell, Andy Redwood had said apparently that a family on the ground floor near Mccanns apartment had had a burglar back in May 2006 who got in via patio doors while they were dining next door (nice neighbours)  and looked into their childs travel cot but got scared away by the other kids in the house screaming and dropped the camera they were nicking, give me strength
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 06, 2014, 10:19:11 PM
This, what is reported in the article is not in PDL, it is somewhere else in Algarve..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 06, 2014, 10:26:22 PM
This, what is reported in the article is not in PDL, it is somewhere else in Algarve..

Three years later and in a resort NORTH of PDL? North would be a bit difficult unless one was really pernickity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 06, 2014, 10:27:36 PM
This, what is reported in the article is not in PDL, it is somewhere else in Algarve..

yes Vixte I KNOW

I was just saying the story rang a bell but seems it was a similar incident four years later! Well, not that I believe a word of it...attempted burglary somewhere in the algarve, at some stage in recent history, hardly  a connection to Madeleine McCann disappearing!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 06, 2014, 10:29:25 PM
yes Vixte I KNOW

I was just saying the story rang a bell but seems it was a similar incident four years later! Well, not that I believe a word of it...attempted burglary somewhere in the algarve, at some stage in recent history, hardly  a connection to Madeleine McCann disappearing!

I don't believe it either.. It is an unnamed source..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 06, 2014, 10:31:22 PM

A growing, interactive, spider's web, I would think.


Oh!


Well.....not sure what to say to that response!


I think the idea is to narrow down the "suspect list" not widen it ad infinitum


 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 06, 2014, 10:34:39 PM
I don't believe it either.. It is an unnamed source..


Good!

Unnamed source, unnamed mother, unnamed location,  no way to check this n the news then in PT or UK, typical nonsensical utter codswallop! At best

Clarence Mitchell gets paid alot for dreaming up rubbish, what a job!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 06, 2014, 10:36:11 PM

Oh!


Well.....not sure what to say to that response!


I think the idea is to narrow down the "suspect list" not widen it ad infinitum


 @)(++(*


When everyone on "the list" has been eliminated what is left  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 06, 2014, 10:43:46 PM


I'm not going to comment on that!

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 07, 2014, 03:48:05 PM
I'm not going to comment on that!

 @)(++(*

Aw go on ! start a riot  8(>((
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 07, 2014, 06:59:50 PM
Aw go on ! start a riot  8(>((

I will patiently wait for SYs and or PJs next statement

 8**8:/:


Eta I was reading some old press articles today whilst looking for something  and the level of ignorance and bad and mistaken reporting and speculation was quite astonishing. The papers are not Moses' tablets but the sheer laziness is astounding.




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 07, 2014, 07:31:38 PM
I will patiently wait for SYs and or PJs next statement

 8**8:/:


Eta I was reading some old press articles today whilst looking for something  and the level of ignorance and bad and mistaken reporting and speculation was quite astonishing. The papers are not Moses' tablets but the sheer laziness is astounding.

To paraphrase Mad Magazine re John Wayne's film The Alamo: "To produce an historically accurate film requires a lot of diligent research and a lot of money so we did the next best thing; we lied"  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 07, 2014, 07:35:02 PM
LOL

Nice one


!


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2014, 10:22:08 PM
To paraphrase Mad Magazine re John Wayne's film The Alamo: "To produce an historically accurate film requires a lot of diligent research and a lot of money so we did the next best thing; we lied"  @)(++(*

you shouldn't confuse films with real life
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 07, 2014, 10:28:28 PM
you shouldn't confuse films with real life

As Wilde says...

Quote
Life imitates Art far more than Art imitates Life
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 07, 2014, 10:34:59 PM
As Wilde says...

Yes and as Davel says...you shouldnt confuse films with real life
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 07, 2014, 11:09:57 PM
yes Vixte I KNOW

I was just saying the story rang a bell but seems it was a similar incident four years later! Well, not that I believe a word of it...attempted burglary somewhere in the algarve, at some stage in recent history, hardly  a connection to Madeleine McCann disappearing!

Oh another attempt in the PdL area?

So we now have
1)  the Joana Cipriano abduction in Sept 2004 ... at Figuieira, 7 miles away from PdL (fair haired, pretty and aged 8)
2)  The attempted Carolina Santos abduction on Christmas Day 2006 .... at Silves, about 18 miles away from PdL (blond, pretty and aged 3)
3)  the Madeleine Mccann abduction on 3rd May 2007... at PdL (blond, pretty and aged nearly 4)
4)  This new attempt reported was it in 2010 or 2011?

Prior to these we had the
5)  Rene Hasee abduction in 1996 ...at Amoreias beach, less than 18 miles from PdL, and  near Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve. (blond, a cute little boy, aged 6)


We also had the northern abductions. 300 miles+ from PdL

1)  Jorge Sepulveda in 1991 ... at Masseroles in Porto, aged 14
2)  Claudia Alexandra Silva de Sousa in 1994 ... from Oleiros, Vila Verde, Braga and about 30 miles north of Porto (blonde, pretty, aged 7)
3)  Rui Pedro Mendonca in 1998 .... from Lousada Porto (latin , beautiful face, aged 11 / 12)
4)  Rui Manuel Correia Pereira in 1999 .... Vila Nova de Famalicao less than 20 miles from Porto (Latin, strong face but good looking, aged 13/14)


.... and of course the afore mentioned Rene Hasee, from the Algarve region.

No other prepubescent, under 15, children went missing (stranger abduction) in the whole of PT.


A man, the son of Elites, was picked up by the PJ, in the North and I believe charged.  He was released with a warning !  Released with a warning ! 

Sounds like the Roman Catholic Church, they reputedly give a gentle warning, then move their peado priests elsewhere ... to often start all over again!



Ok there is this list of 8 probable /possible stranger abductions over a 16 year period, and roughly spaced at 2 yearly intervals.   Additionally we have this latest attempted abduction, it seems.


Make what you will of it, but a pattern developed, that is interesting to SY, along with the sightings, up to and in the north



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 08, 2014, 12:08:01 AM
you shouldn't confuse films with real life

You think this forum is real life . Gerroff
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 08, 2014, 12:15:59 AM
Oh another attempt in the PdL area?

So we now have
1)  the Joana Cipriano abduction in Sept 2004 ... at Figuieira, 7 miles away from PdL (fair haired, pretty and aged 8)
2)  The attempted Carolina Santos abduction on Christmas Day 2006 .... at Silves, about 18 miles away from PdL (blond, pretty and aged 3)
3)  the Madeleine McCann abduction on 3rd May 2007... at PdL (blond, pretty and aged nearly 4)
4)  This new attempt reported was it in 2010 or 2011?

Prior to these we had the
5)  Rene Hasee abduction in 1996 ...at Amoreias beach, less than 18 miles from PdL, and  near Aljezur on the Atlantic Coast of the Algarve. (blond, a cute little boy, aged 6)


We don't know for sure what happened Joana Cipriano, Madeleine McCann or René Hasée so suggesting a pattern based on speculation is a non starter.  As far as this latest report is concerned, a robber seen in a child's bedroom does not  automatically make him a child abductor unless of course one is attempting to sell your story to the Press.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 08, 2014, 12:38:04 AM
We don't know for sure what happened Joana Cipriano, Madeleine McCann or René Hasée so suggesting a pattern based on speculation is a non starter.  As far as this latest report is concerned, a robber seen in a child's bedroom does not  automatically make him a child abductor unless of course one is attempting to sell your story to the Press.

But for Renee Hasee we know that he has been abducted, as well as the other children which sade listed, known to be missing in the are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 08, 2014, 07:42:32 AM
But for Renee Hasee we know that he has been abducted, as well as the other children which sade listed, known to be missing in the are.

So there could have already been a network in place for abducted children.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 08, 2014, 08:10:56 AM

British police CAN still solve Madeleine McCann mystery despite the problems of working with foreign forces
The former Met Commissioner has investigated high-profile deaths overseas and is aware of the hurdles Scotland Yard detectives face in Portugal

As Kate and Gerry McCann have found over the past seven years, the Portuguese criminal and judicial system is very different to what we are used to at home.

So much so that they found themselves being publicly named as suspects at an early stage of the investigation to find their missing daughter Madeleine.

British police are now trying to play catch-up and provide the thorough examination of the facts and evidence that appears to have been so badly mishandled back in 2007.

It is no wonder that the Portuguese police feel vulnerable about what they have – or haven’t – done in the past.

This makes the building of a strong relationship between the new teams involved so crucial to any successful progress in this case. It has to be a partnership and not a competition to see who makes the next breakthrough.

There are some positive signs that the Portuguese and Scotland Yard investigative teams are working together, but some difficulties remain. This week, for instance, it has been reported that they were investigating different targets.

When our police work overseas they do not have the power of arrest. They can advise and make a request but it has to be carried out for them. Every move needs to be sanctioned and supported by the local force.

This can be a very frustrating and time-consuming process but needs to be followed to the letter if any breakthrough is to be achieved. It also needs to be done properly if any subsequent prosecutions are to stand the best chance of success.

Apart from the cultural and language barriers, you should not underestimate the complexity and sensitivity of our police officers working with their colleagues from overseas. That is why police officers need to be skilled diplomats when on foreign soil.

They know they will only make progress if they work with the local force and respect the way they go about their work – even if it seems to be very slow and ponderous.

As I found with my inquiry into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, patience is needed by both home and overseas forces to build a partnership that can deliver results which stand the test of whichever country’s judicial system will be governing the investigation.

For example, getting some of the 600 plus evidential exhibits released for analysis back in England was just one of the obstacles we faced.

It took time, but we eventually got the agreement of the French authorities to go ahead and bring the crash car back to England.

This helped us conduct a complete reconstruction of the collision. The results proved hugely important in enabling a proper assessment to take place at the inquest in London.

But there can also be difficulties dealing with different forces closer to home.

During my inquiries into ­collusion and murder in Northern Ireland, my team came face to face with those responsible for the original investigations – some of whom had been accused of committing the crimes themselves.

It was little wonder that our work touched many raw nerves and sensitivities.

Gaining the confidence and trust of the local force, the victims and their families was crucial, while following the evidence wherever it took us.

This was not easy as we faced a concerted campaign to discredit the inquiry. It took more than 15 years and three linked inquiries to get to the bottom of what had been going on.

Determination got us through many difficult moments, including mental and physical pressures and threats.

Many courageous officers from the Royal Ulster Constabulary were keen to help us with our enquiries. However, some were very evasive and defensive.

We met walls of silence. Secret Intelligence records disappeared from files.

The safety and security of the team was forever uppermost in my mind. Especially when our offices burnt down one night. Mysteriously, the smoke alarms and heat sensors failed to go off and the telephone lines were cut.

Senior RUC officers blamed a secret unit in British military intelligence. To this day it has never been proven but I believe I know who was responsible.

As Metropolitan Police Commissioner, I was invited to send a team to Jamaica to investigate a shooting. The starting point here was gaining the support of their government for the professionals who would be doing the legwork.

The support and guidance of the Foreign Office, our High Commissioner and his team in Jamaica was crucial to making progress.

They put us on the right track with the right connections to steer the team through the local systems and structures. All of this takes a lot of time and patience.

With crime increasingly taking on an international dimension it is essential that police officers can get co-operation from the governments and police forces of every country – not just in Europe but across the whole world.

Scotland Yard has a long history of conducting investigations overseas and they know better than anyone how to get on with their foreign partners.

That is why the Home Secretary asked them back in 2011 to look in to the Madeleine McCann case to try and find out what happened to her.

It might appear painfully slow, but rest assured they will be doing all they can to give the family the answers they are looking for.

If anyone can solve this case... they can.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 08, 2014, 08:27:36 AM
British police CAN still solve Madeleine McCann mystery despite the problems of working with foreign forces
The former Met Commissioner has investigated high-profile deaths overseas and is aware of the hurdles Scotland Yard detectives face in Portugal

As Kate and Gerry McCann have found over the past seven years, the Portuguese criminal and judicial system is very different to what we are used to at home.

So much so that they found themselves being publicly named as suspects at an early stage of the investigation to find their missing daughter Madeleine.

British police are now trying to play catch-up and provide the thorough examination of the facts and evidence that appears to have been so badly mishandled back in 2007.

It is no wonder that the Portuguese police feel vulnerable about what they have – or haven’t – done in the past.

This makes the building of a strong relationship between the new teams involved so crucial to any successful progress in this case. It has to be a partnership and not a competition to see who makes the next breakthrough.

There are some positive signs that the Portuguese and Scotland Yard investigative teams are working together, but some difficulties remain. This week, for instance, it has been reported that they were investigating different targets.

When our police work overseas they do not have the power of arrest. They can advise and make a request but it has to be carried out for them. Every move needs to be sanctioned and supported by the local force.

This can be a very frustrating and time-consuming process but needs to be followed to the letter if any breakthrough is to be achieved. It also needs to be done properly if any subsequent prosecutions are to stand the best chance of success.

Apart from the cultural and language barriers, you should not underestimate the complexity and sensitivity of our police officers working with their colleagues from overseas. That is why police officers need to be skilled diplomats when on foreign soil.

They know they will only make progress if they work with the local force and respect the way they go about their work – even if it seems to be very slow and ponderous.

As I found with my inquiry into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, patience is needed by both home and overseas forces to build a partnership that can deliver results which stand the test of whichever country’s judicial system will be governing the investigation.

For example, getting some of the 600 plus evidential exhibits released for analysis back in England was just one of the obstacles we faced.

It took time, but we eventually got the agreement of the French authorities to go ahead and bring the crash car back to England.

This helped us conduct a complete reconstruction of the collision. The results proved hugely important in enabling a proper assessment to take place at the inquest in London.

But there can also be difficulties dealing with different forces closer to home.

During my inquiries into ­collusion and murder in Northern Ireland, my team came face to face with those responsible for the original investigations – some of whom had been accused of committing the crimes themselves.

It was little wonder that our work touched many raw nerves and sensitivities.

Gaining the confidence and trust of the local force, the victims and their families was crucial, while following the evidence wherever it took us.

This was not easy as we faced a concerted campaign to discredit the inquiry. It took more than 15 years and three linked inquiries to get to the bottom of what had been going on.

Determination got us through many difficult moments, including mental and physical pressures and threats.

Many courageous officers from the Royal Ulster Constabulary were keen to help us with our enquiries. However, some were very evasive and defensive.

We met walls of silence. Secret Intelligence records disappeared from files.

The safety and security of the team was forever uppermost in my mind. Especially when our offices burnt down one night. Mysteriously, the smoke alarms and heat sensors failed to go off and the telephone lines were cut.

Senior RUC officers blamed a secret unit in British military intelligence. To this day it has never been proven but I believe I know who was responsible.

As Metropolitan Police Commissioner, I was invited to send a team to Jamaica to investigate a shooting. The starting point here was gaining the support of their government for the professionals who would be doing the legwork.

The support and guidance of the Foreign Office, our High Commissioner and his team in Jamaica was crucial to making progress.

They put us on the right track with the right connections to steer the team through the local systems and structures. All of this takes a lot of time and patience.

With crime increasingly taking on an international dimension it is essential that police officers can get co-operation from the governments and police forces of every country – not just in Europe but across the whole world.

Scotland Yard has a long history of conducting investigations overseas and they know better than anyone how to get on with their foreign partners.

That is why the Home Secretary asked them back in 2011 to look in to the Madeleine McCann case to try and find out what happened to her.

It might appear painfully slow, but rest assured they will be doing all they can to give the family the answers they are looking for.

If anyone can solve this case... they can.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394

Not necessarily a reassuring statement at all

I would hope they were trying to uncover the truth.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 08, 2014, 01:01:48 PM
Not necessarily a reassuring statement at all

I would hope they were trying to uncover the truth.

The article is a bit odd; kicks off seemingly with fomenting antagonism between the The Met and the Portuguese police and ends with a load of "there I wuz stories" which seem to have little relevance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 08, 2014, 01:15:07 PM
http://algarvenewswatch.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 03:21:09 PM
nice and helpful mirror article....

 8-)(--)


 >@@(*&)


So many bods  sticking their oars in, nothng changes

What's the going rate?

One might think some might not want the two police forces to have a good relationship!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 08, 2014, 06:01:27 PM
The article also considers it 'a difficulty' that different forces have been working on different targets.

Given that still no hypothesis has been agreed upon as to what happened to Madeleine, what's the problem with working on different leads? Surely keeping different doors open would be prudent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 08, 2014, 06:04:54 PM
The article also considers it 'a difficulty' that different forces have been working on different targets.

Given that still no hypothesis has been agreed upon as to what happened to Madeleine, what's the problem with working on different leads? Surely keeping different doors open would be prudent.

I would have thought that ALL doors should be left open, (or at least ajar) until a credible solution is reached.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 08, 2014, 06:14:23 PM
I would have thought that ALL doors should be left open, (or at least ajar) until a credible solution is reached.

That magic moving door again  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 08, 2014, 06:24:59 PM
That magic moving door again  8)--))

Oh no!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 08, 2014, 06:47:17 PM
nice and helpful mirror article....

 8-)(--)


 >@@(*&)


So many bods  sticking their oars in, nothng changes

What's the going rate?

One might think some might not want the two police forces to have a good relationship!

You mean the Mirror Group and by extension.......................... >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 08, 2014, 10:46:18 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/8/287974/default/v1/express-1-329x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 08, 2014, 10:53:13 PM
>@@(*&) James Murray again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 08, 2014, 11:14:45 PM
British police CAN still solve Madeleine McCann mystery despite the problems of working with foreign forces
Feb 08, 2014 00:00
LORD STEVENS
Follow @Former Metropolitan Police Commissioner


The former Met Commissioner has investigated high-profile deaths overseas and is aware of the hurdles Scotland Yard detectives face in Portugal

Still missing: Madeleine McCann

As Kate and Gerry McCann have found over the past seven years, the Portuguese criminal and judicial system is very different to what we are used to at home.

So much so that they found themselves being publicly named as suspects at an early stage of the investigation to find their missing daughter Madeleine.

British police are now trying to play catch-up and provide the thorough examination of the facts and evidence that appears to have been so badly mishandled back in 2007.

It is no wonder that the Portuguese police feel vulnerable about what they have – or haven’t – done in the past.

This makes the building of a strong relationship between the new teams involved so crucial to any successful progress in this case. It has to be a partnership and not a competition to see who makes the next breakthrough.

There are some positive signs that the Portuguese and Scotland Yard investigative teams are working together, but some difficulties remain. This week, for instance, it has been reported that they were investigating different targets.

When our police work overseas they do not have the power of arrest. They can advise and make a request but it has to be carried out for them. Every move needs to be sanctioned and supported by the local force.

This can be a very frustrating and time-consuming process but needs to be followed to the letter if any breakthrough is to be achieved. It also needs to be done properly if any subsequent prosecutions are to stand the best chance of success.

Apart from the cultural and language barriers, you should not underestimate the complexity and sensitivity of our police officers working with their colleagues from overseas. That is why police officers need to be skilled diplomats when on foreign soil.

They know they will only make progress if they work with the local force and respect the way they go about their work – even if it seems to be very slow and ponderous.

As I found with my inquiry into the death of Diana, Princess of Wales, patience is needed by both home and overseas forces to build a partnership that can deliver results which stand the test of whichever country’s judicial system will be governing the investigation.

For example, getting some of the 600 plus evidential exhibits released for analysis back in England was just one of the obstacles we faced.

It took time, but we eventually got the agreement of the French authorities to go ahead and bring the crash car back to England.

This helped us conduct a complete reconstruction of the collision. The results proved hugely important in enabling a proper assessment to take place at the inquest in London.

But there can also be difficulties dealing with different forces closer to home.


During my inquiries into ­collusion and murder in Northern Ireland, my team came face to face with those responsible for the original investigations – some of whom had been accused of committing the crimes themselves.

It was little wonder that our work touched many raw nerves and sensitivities.

Gaining the confidence and trust of the local force, the victims and their families was crucial, while following the evidence wherever it took us.

This was not easy as we faced a concerted campaign to discredit the inquiry. It took more than 15 years and three linked inquiries to get to the bottom of what had been going on.

Determination got us through many difficult moments, including mental and physical pressures and threats.

Many courageous officers from the Royal Ulster Constabulary were keen to help us with our enquiries. However, some were very evasive and defensive.

We met walls of silence. Secret Intelligence records disappeared from files.

The safety and security of the team was forever uppermost in my mind. Especially when our offices burnt down one night. Mysteriously, the smoke alarms and heat sensors failed to go off and the telephone lines were cut.

Senior RUC officers blamed a secret unit in British military intelligence. To this day it has never been proven but I believe I know who was responsible.

As Metropolitan Police Commissioner, I was invited to send a team to Jamaica to investigate a shooting. The starting point here was gaining the support of their government for the professionals who would be doing the legwork.

The support and guidance of the Foreign Office, our High Commissioner and his team in Jamaica was crucial to making progress.

They put us on the right track with the right connections to steer the team through the local systems and structures. All of this takes a lot of time and patience.

With crime increasingly taking on an international dimension it is essential that police officers can get co-operation from the governments and police forces of every country – not just in Europe but across the whole world.

Scotland Yard has a long history of conducting investigations overseas and they know better than anyone how to get on with their foreign partners.

That is why the Home Secretary asked them back in 2011 to look in to the Madeleine McCann case to try and find out what happened to her.

It might appear painfully slow, but rest assured they will be doing all they can to give the family the answers they are looking for.

If anyone can solve this case... they can.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/lord-stevens-hunt-madeleine-mccann-3123394#ixzz2sm7EdctU
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebook
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 11:24:24 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/8/287974/default/v1/express-1-329x437.jpg)

How wierd, so keys to whole block stolen to take a specific targetted child?

Must havebeen trying loads of keys for ages to get in then!

Barf! then again must read the article when it's printed online see what they are on about and who was covering up what
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 08, 2014, 11:29:42 PM
How wierd, so keys to whole block stolen to take a specific targetted child?

Must havebeen trying loads of keys for ages to get in then!

Barf! then again must read the article when it's printed online see what they are on about and who was covering up what

The point, if this is true is that this was not reported to the police.
So, what else hasn't been reported?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 11:32:53 PM
The point, if this is true is that this was not reported to the police.
So, what else hasn't been reported?

pls don't get carried away by a muray express article vixte......track record is thoroughly atrocious

unless you want to speculate why the keys to the "whole block" were taken and how they did this!and when
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 08, 2014, 11:37:32 PM
pls don't get carried away by a muray express article vixte......track record is thoroughly atrocious

unless you want to speculate why the keys to the "whole block" were taken and how they did this!

Well, I have personally been suspicious of the MW staff since 2007! So, for me this is just feeding my suspicion further.

Not sure if anyone in here remembers the maroon top :))) The maroon top has caused me too many sleepless nights.. and that time has led to the staff :))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 11:44:03 PM
Well, I have personally been suspicious of the MW staff since 2007! So, for me this is just feeding my suspicion further.

Not sure if anyone in here remembers the maroon top :))) The maroon top has caused me too many sleepless nights.. and that time has led to the staff :))

Maroon top !!!!!

Pls elaborate
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 11:46:58 PM
Dr Amaral is de Boogah Man and must be discredited at all costs. You know ,the man who led the investigation for about 1/3 of its duration.

We all know and he deserves to be miserable and feel FEAR


 @)(++(*

quote from "Madeleine" by Mrs K Mccann
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 11:49:17 PM
Why Amaral has to be mentioned in every thread and every moment? He has his own thread and I suggest all posts related to him to be moved to his thread.

It is becoming boring, he is not involved in this investigation and hasn't found Madeleine during his choice of doing it..

Mentioning Amaral is just derailing the communication on this forum..

To me he is not important at all at this particular moment of the investigation.

I am not interested in discussions about him and whoever is they should go to the thread about him.

This thread is about news and about Madeleine.


 8@??)(


tell that to the people who bring him in at every second in any context just as ammunition to defend the mccanns...its a really weak show
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 08, 2014, 11:52:44 PM
Maroon top !!!!!

Pls elaborate

The first report was that the person 'carrying Madeleine' was wearing a maroon colour top.
The forums at the times did lots of 'investigations' about the this particular top and it all lead into the MW staff uniform.
This was so called Bundleman.  Now when we know that the Bundleman is a mistake it all sounds funny but at the time it lead to other suspicious details which helped making of mind of some people...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 08, 2014, 11:56:18 PM
The first report was that the person 'carrying Madeleine' was wearing a maroon colour top.
The forums at the times did lots of 'investigations' about the this particular top and it all lead into the MW staff uniform.
This was so called Bundleman.  Now when we know that the Bundleman is a mistake it all sounds funny but at the time it lead to other suspicious details which helped making of mind of some people...

Well first and even later reports of Jane tanner were she was walking BACK to the restaurant when she spotted bundleman....(and yes I have a link) how can anyone know if what the papers printed was true or mistaken? We can't can't we? Do you have a link to Maroon top man??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 08, 2014, 11:59:08 PM
The point, if this is true is that this was not reported to the police.
So, what else hasn't been reported?

If the police didn't know about it ,   and the McCanns  (  and their various private-eyes  ) didn't  know about it , 
and  the press/media  didn't  know about  it  ...  how did the Express get the story   ?   

Will be interesting to see  'the source'  of this latest revelation   (   which are coming thicker and faster than ever at the moment  for some reason   ) 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
If the police didn't know about it ,   and the McCanns  (  and their various private-eyes  ) didn't  know about it , 
and  the press/media  didn't  know about  it  ...  how did the Express get the story   ?   

Will be interesting to see  'the source'  of this latest revelation   (   which are coming thicker and faster than ever at the moment  for some reason   )

Obviously it was the three burglars/employees or a n other


 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 12:01:17 AM
Well first reports of Jane tanner were she was walking BACK to the restaurant when she spotted bundleman....(and ye i have a link) how can anyone know if what the papers printed was true or mistaken? We can't can't we?

Well, this was back in 2007 and  before the files came out so people on forums had only the news articles to talk about.. like in any other case where you don't know the real facts until maybe the court case starts.

And so many so called myths came out of these newspaper articles or even rumours. Majority of the public did not read the files, they read the articles, and only maybe few articles,  and internet myths and they formed their opinion about this case accordingly.


But the maroon top is still so much on the back of my mind  @)(++(* @)(++(* so when someone mentions MW staff I 'see' the maroon top .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:05:28 AM
Well, this was back in 2007 and  before the files came out so people on forums had only the news articles to talk about.. like in any other case where you don't know the real facts until maybe the court case starts.

And so many so called myths came out of these newspaper articles or even rumours. Majority of the public did not read the files, they read the articles, and only maybe few articles,  and internet myths and they formed their opinion about this case accordingly.

So maroon top could be a crock

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 12:06:49 AM
So maroon top could be a crock

It was shown on the Crimewatch  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:08:21 AM
It was shown on the Crimewatch  @)(++(*

Was it?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:20:01 AM
Jesus h Christ

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

the algarve is AWASH with abductors going after British blonde children!
This time its gypsy restaurant staff, Mitchell is on the wacky backy for sure LOL
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 12:24:33 AM
All keys taken?

IF true, could support the idea that someone was looking to take a child, but didn't have a specific one in mind. Then McCanns arrived and Madeleine was chosen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:26:55 AM
All keys taken?

IF true, could support the idea that someone was looking to take a child, but didn't have a specific one in mind. Then McCanns arrived and Madeleine was chosen.

Right SH


 @)(++(*

that's about as mad as Eleanor saying they were watching the apartment and sometime some kid would turn up that would fit the required description! Oh it's ok I can stand here for weeks and months  outside 5a she's bound to turn up!


So SH if they weren't interested in a specific child why steal keys to block 5 and not any other block?
Twilight zone here again!

Edited
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 12:30:53 AM
Right SH


 @)(++(*

Nice to know I'm making you laugh, Red!

But why such a far fetched idea?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:33:23 AM
Reread SH I've edited for afterthoughts
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 12:38:41 AM
All keys taken?

IF true, could support the idea that someone was looking to take a child, but didn't have a specific one in mind. Then McCanns arrived and Madeleine was chosen.

I have actually re-wathed the Crimewatch just now and DC Redwood said:  'The case has got all of the elements of the pre-planned abduction.'

And a different note, I always wondered why Kate McCann mentioned the engagement ring which Madeleine liked to wear.. now I figured it out.. she was hoping that now 11 years old Madeleine could watch it and to refresh HER mind!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 12:39:51 AM
Right SH


 @)(++(*

that's about as mad as Eleanor saying they were watching the apartment and sometime some kid would turn up that would fit the required description! Oh it's ok I can stand here for weeks and months  outside 5a she's bound to turn up!


So SH if they weren't interested in a specific child why steal keys to block 5 and not any other block?
Twilight zone here again!

Edited

Don't see why Eleanor's idea is far fetched. It's a standard idea. Someone wants to abduct a child of a certain description, and goes looking for one. Someone fitting that description comes along, and the plan is already partly in place. Nothing odd about that. I'm not saying it happened here - we don't know yet - but it's not so far fetched in essence.

As for keys being stolen only for one block - good question. Off the top of my head: Perhaps that block was selected because it was a good location for an escape route that an abductor / abductors  wanted to take, or near a property in which they were based. Perhaps an opportunity arose to take those specific keys and not others, so that block became the focus; perhaps taking keys for the whole place would draw too much attention, so had to be narrowed down to one block -- could be all sorts of reasons.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 12:40:58 AM
I have actually re-wathed the Crimewatch just now and DC Redwood said:  'The case has got all of the elements of the pre-planned abduction.'

I often consider that remark, VIXTE, and the fact that it seems at odds entirely with the idea of a 'burglary gone wrong'.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 12:43:53 AM
I often consider that remark, VIXTE, and the fact that it seems at odds entirely with the idea of a 'burglary gone wrong'.

Maybe this is the line the PJ is looking into.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:50:20 AM
I have actually re-wathed the Crimewatch just now and DC Redwood said:  'The case has got all of the elements of the pre-planned abduction.'

And a different note, I always wondered why Kate McCann mentioned the engagement ring which Madeleine liked to wear.. now I figured it out.. she was hoping that now 11 years old Madeleine could watch it and to refresh HER mind!

oh ok sure

So no answer on the maroon top then
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 12:53:25 AM
I have actually re-wathed the Crimewatch just now and DC Redwood said:  'The case has got all of the elements of the pre-planned abduction.'

And a different note, I always wondered why Kate McCann mentioned the engagement ring which Madeleine liked to wear.. now I figured it out.. she was hoping that now 11 years old Madeleine could watch it and to refresh HER mind!

Very good point. Madeleine is nearly old enough to become armchair detective herself...

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 12:56:40 AM
Maybe this is the line the PJ is looking into.

Seems strange that SY would reach the point of describing the case as being one which contained all the elements of pre-planned abduction, then suddenly decide that it was something random.

Pre-planned and burglars could obviously be connected : 'burglars' were employed by someone else to do the dirty work.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 12:57:19 AM
oh ok sure

So no answer on the maroon top then

yes, they did show it.. the real bundelman has a darker top, but not the maroon although it is close..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 12:59:45 AM
Very good point. Madeleine is nearly old enough to become armchair detective herself...

But then, I thought, if this was mentioned on the advice of the SY ... there must be something 'bigger' they have in their hands.. but not tellin'
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 12:59:56 AM
Don't see why Eleanor's idea is far fetched. It's a standard idea. Someone wants to abduct a child of a certain description, and goes looking for one. Someone fitting that description comes along, and the plan is already partly in place. Nothing odd about that. I'm not saying it happened here - we don't know yet - but it's not so far fetched in essence.

As for keys being stolen only for one block - good question. Off the top of my head: Perhaps that block was selected because it was a good location for an escape route that an abductor / abductors  wanted to take, or near a property in which they were based. Perhaps an opportunity arose to take those specific keys and not others, so that block became the focus; perhaps taking keys for the whole place would draw too much attention, so had to be narrowed down to one block -- could be all sorts of reasons.

Eleanor's idea was wrong because she said they had five days to watch the apartment and hoping someone would turn up with kids at that aprtment hih was the most accessible and targetted that matched the description of a wanted child lol ....well flats are let out out for one or two weeks, youd need less than five days or less to figure this out!!!


 >@@(*&)

as for your second para, ok right...but you DO realize you are basing all  your hypotheses upon an "abduction" as a given fact where there is zero evidence for it???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:01:06 AM
Very good point. Madeleine is nearly old enough to become armchair detective herself...

crikey

And NO its not the first time it's been mentioned on national tv! BUt I don't see how something Madeleine did with any rings whilst next to her mother would help her


 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:04:18 AM
Seems strange that SY would reach the point of describing the case as being one which contained all the elements of pre-planned abduction, then suddenly decide that it was something random.

Pre-planned and burglars could obviously be connected : 'burglars' were employed by someone else to do the dirty work.

Who said they moved away from the idea? There was not a quoted source since the Crimewatch to confirm they were looking at any other option.. It is all in tabloids..

They might have decided that it was the inside job but to prove it it would be hard.. so playing little tricks of pointing at suspects, hoping that someone would talk.. and I think they got there.. the staff is finally going to talk..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:06:41 AM
Eleanor's idea was wrong because she said they had five days to watch the apartment and hoping someone would turn up with kids at that aprtment hih was the most accessible and targetted that matched the description of a wanted child lol ....well flats are let out out for one or two weeks, youd need less than five days or less to figure this out!!!


 >@@(*&)

as for your second para, ok right...but you DO realize you are basing all  your hypotheses upon an "abduction" as a given fact where there is zero evidence for it???

Well as far as Eleanor's idea goes, could be right in general. Exact length of time needed to work things out / view  apartment is not the point. There is much to suggest that the apartment was being watched.

And yes, I am basing this idea about the keys on an abduction hypothesis, because presumably it is that context in which the revelation is being reported and discussed in this new article.

As we know, the burglaries on the block and the disappearance of Madeleine could be entirely unconnected.

If you were DCI Redblossom, wouldn't you want to look into the burglars - if only to rule them out?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:06:49 AM
yes, they did show it.. the real bundelman has a darker top, but not the maroon although it is close..

Hello????


Bundleman has always been portrayed as having a dark jacket on as in the artist sketch and as per tanner statements, never a maroon shirt.....


and no a maroon shirt /aka mark Warner uniform top was NOT shown n crimewatch
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:09:24 AM
Hello????


Bundleman has always been portrayed as having a dark jacket on as in the artist sketch and as per tanner statements, never a maroon shirt.....


and no a maroon shirt was NOT shown n crimewatch


well, the bundleman sketch has a maroonish top.. to me at least.. the colour was described in the papers, many years ago..

but this is not important, we now know he is not MW staff but a British father..

I was just trying to explain how we get a wrong perception sometimes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:10:34 AM
Who said they moved away from the idea? There was not a quoted source since the Crimewatch to confirm they were looking at any other option.. It is all in tabloids..

They might have decided that it was the inside job but to prove it it would be hard.. so playing little tricks of pointing at suspects, hoping that someone would talk.. and I think they got there.. the staff is finally going to talk..

Yes, if there are staff with something to hide, they must have hoped that they'd got out of it after all these years..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:11:58 AM
crikey

And NO its not the first time it's been mentioned on national tv! BUt I don't see how something Madeleine did with any rings whilst next to her mother would help her


 >@@(*&)

The tiniest thing could jog the memory of someone watching that. A bit like a reconstruction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:13:46 AM
Well as far as Eleanor's idea goes, could be right in general. Exact length of time needed to work things out / view  apartment is not the point. There is much to suggest that the apartment was being watched

No it can't be right in general at all for the reason I set out which you are ignoring and yes the amount of time is exactly the point if someone was just hoping some child might turn up at "some stage" as an ordered one!!! Would need more than five days watching etc etc jeez seeing as once the mccanns arrived they had five days watching... So what were they watching? Seeing as they bloody arrived with the required child? I give up
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:20:21 AM

well, the bundleman sketch has a maroonish top.. to me at least.. the colour was described in the papers, many years ago..

but this is not important, we now know he is not MW staff but a British father..

I was just trying to explain how we get a wrong perception sometimes.

Yes ok
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:22:09 AM
Yes, if there are staff with something to hide, they must have hoped that they'd got out of it after all these years..

Sure and now they're nabbed?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:23:31 AM
The tiniest thing could jog the memory of someone watching that. A bit like a reconstruction.

Whose memory is going to be jogged by Madeleine playing with her mums ring?

The abductors.? Or
 their friends"

Only if Madeleine plays with someone else's ring? And why would that make any connection.
Thnk I've had enough of apologist abductionistas tonight, bye now

 8**8:/:


barrels being scraped here maybe, the elastic band stretched to the extreme before it pops, oh well, maybe it WAS aliens
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 01:28:16 AM
There is no set of keys for the whole block.
OC have keys for only some of the apartments in block 5, the ones managed by OC.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:29:29 AM
There is no set of keys for the whole block.
OC only have keys for only some of the apartments in block 5, the ones managed by OC.

Oh Pegasus you mare LOL
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:35:08 AM
Whose memory is going to be jogged by Madeleine playing with her mums ring?

The abductors.? Or
 their friends"

Only if Madeleine plays with someone else's ring? And why would that make any connection.
Thnk I've had enough of apologist abductionistas tonight, bye now

 8**8:/:


barrels being scraped here maybe, the elastic band stretched to the extreme before it pops, oh well, maybe it WAS aliens

I think it was Madeleine's memory. They also showed some photos of the family and the swimming pool and Madeleine's last photo.
I was really curious why this was shown and to whom.. now I know it is shown to Madeleine..
As if she might be living somewhere and has forgotten all about her past..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:38:46 AM
There is no set of keys for the whole block.
OC have keys for only some of the apartments in block 5, the ones managed by OC.

They meant the keys of the apartments managed by OC.

I wonder how many sets there were in use? Two? Three? Four?
1. Reception, 2. Guests 3. Cleaners 4. Maintanance
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:40:44 AM
I think it was Madeleine's memory. They also showed some photos of the family and the swimming pool and Madeleine's last photo.
I was really curious why this was shown and to whom.. now I know it is shown to Madeleine..
As if she might be living somewhere and has forgotten all about her past..

Don't be so silly, they never address madeleine in their appeals and interviews unless forced to
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:42:49 AM
Don't be so silly, they never address madeleine in their appeals and interviews unless forced to

IMO this last crimewatch was for her. the ring, the photos, the swimming pool, the last photo.. and all staged by SY

she would be 11 now this year.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:44:56 AM
They meant the keys of the apartments managed by OC.

I wonder how many sets there were in use? Two? Three? Four?
1. Reception, 2. Guests 3. Cleaners 4. Maintanance

How do you know what they MEANT? Have you read the article yet? Do you know if it a load of crock or true.No you don't.....let's see tomorrows shower of shyte  shall we? Till then, night
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:45:04 AM
I think it was Madeleine's memory. They also showed some photos of the family and the swimming pool and Madeleine's last photo.
I was really curious why this was shown and to whom.. now I know it is shown to Madeleine..
As if she might be living somewhere and has forgotten all about her past..

Yes, this is the hope of Ben Needham's family as well - that something in his life will cause him to question who he is.

Something like the ring incident could jog Madeleine's memory. At nearly four, she was certainly old enough to have retained memories of her family. Most of them would have been submerged, but could be triggered by something like this.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:46:15 AM
Don't be so silly, they never address madeleine in their appeals and interviews unless forced to

Not directly
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:48:06 AM
IMO this last crimewatch was for her. the ring, the photos, the swimming pool, the last photo.. and all staged by SY

she would be 11 now this year.

wouldn't say that if I were you LOL


>>>>>>

nite
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:48:42 AM
No it can't be right in general at all for the reason I set out which you are ignoring and yes the amount of time is exactly the point if someone was just hoping some child might turn up at "some stage" as an ordered one!!! Would need more than five days watching etc etc jeez seeing as once the mccanns arrived they had five days watching... So what were they watching? Seeing as they bloody arrived with the required child? I give up

They could have been watching that apartment or other apartments in the area for a long time, waiting for the right person to turn up.

And they would need to watch the McCanns for several days - regardless of how long they were there for previously - to get a picture of the family's movements.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:49:23 AM
How do you know what they MEANT? Have you read the article yet? Do you know if it a load of crock or true.No you don't.....let's see tomorrows shower of shyte  shall we? Till then, night
This is the text was from the front page:

Keys to the holiday apartment from which Madeleine McCann was abducted were lost shortly before she vanished, it was claimed last night.

However, the police were not told about the loss of potentially crucial evidence which could unlock the seven-year-mystery.

A Sunday Express investigation in Portugal has revealed astonishing new information which, if proved, suggests the kidnap was well planned and executed using stolen keys. Amid claims that the Portuguese police are about to arrest three former workers at the Ocean Club in Praia
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:51:29 AM
This is the text was from the front page:

Keys to the holiday apartment from which Madeleine McCann was abducted were lost shortly before she vanished, it was claimed last night.

However, the police were not told about the loss of potentially crucial evidence which could unlock the seven-year-mystery.

A Sunday Express investigation in Portugal has revealed astonishing new information which, if proved, suggests the kidnap was well planned and executed using stolen keys. Amid claims that the Portuguese police are about to arrest three former workers at the Ocean Club in Praia

It seems there are even more teams of investigators than we thought..

Another one for Mr Moderator's list?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:52:06 AM
wouldn't say that if I were you LOL


>>>>>>

nite

Of course it is SY who writes the scripts for this programme.. it is not the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 01:52:14 AM
Yes, this is the hope of Ben Needham's family as well - that something in his life will cause him to question who he is.

Something like the ring incident could jog Madeleine's memory. At nearly four, she was certainly old enough to have retained memories of her family. Most of them would have been submerged, but could be triggered by something like this.

How? When where and why? And how could it relate to bringing her back??? See ya
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:53:53 AM
It seems there are even more teams of investigators than we thought..

Another one for Mr Moderator's list?

Investigative journalism  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:55:12 AM
How? When where and why? And how could it relate to bringing her back??? See ya

Madeleine could be watching Kate saying that, and the memory of her doing that with her mother might be jogged.

Seems quite straightforward to me.

As for how precisely Madeleine would be brought back in such circumstances, that 's a different subject entirely.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 01:56:35 AM
Investigative journalism  @)(++(*

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 01:57:33 AM
They meant the keys of the apartments managed by OC.
I wonder how many sets there were in use? Two? Three? Four?
1. Reception, 2. Guests 3. Cleaners 4. Maintanance
OC keep keys at 2 locations: In safe at Laundry room (near Tapas), and at 24hr reception
(source: employee statements)
Access is restricted, seems only supervisors can get keys out IMO.
I am very against all these attacks on honest OC workers.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 09, 2014, 01:58:12 AM
Not directly

You agree with VIXTE  then  ...  that Scotland Yard's involvement in the crimewatch programme was because they thought the three year old who disappeared seven years ago might be watching ...  and have her memory prompted  ?   

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:02:07 AM
You agree with VIXTE  then  ...  that Scotland Yard's involvement in the crimewatch programme was because they thought the three year old who disappeared seven years ago might be watching ...  and have her memory prompted  ?

I don't believe the entire programme was for Madeleine's benefit, in that sense, no.

There were clearly many reasons for the broadcast.

But it could be that certain elements were included with Madeleine in mind. And that goes not only for Crimewatch, but for other interviews or snippets released.

Is seems quite an obvious thing to try to do to me, given that Madeleine would now be nearly 11. They have been working on things like this in the Needham campaign for some time so it's nothing new.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:04:56 AM
OC keep keys at 2 locations: In safe at Laundry room (near Tapas), and at 24hr reception
(source: employee statements)

And the guests? I am sure the reception has a double key. One for the guests, one for them.

PJ should have asked the key copy shops if anyone came to duplicate these keys because they are not the plain keys... they are specially made.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 09, 2014, 02:11:20 AM
I don't believe the entire programme was for Madeleine's benefit, in that sense, no.

There were clearly many reasons for the broadcast.

But it could be that certain elements were included with Madeleine in mind. And that goes not only for Crimewatch, but for other interviews or snippets released.

Is seems quite an obvious thing to try to do to me, given that Madeleine would now be nearly 11. They have been working on things like this in the Needham campaign for some time so it's nothing new.

I just wondered

It's not really a theme that interests me  ...  I never know how to respond to fantasy   (  lack of imagination on my part I suppose  ) 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 02:17:07 AM
Tomorrows  shower of shyte

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case


Not forgetting the previous ridiculous one from today to team tag it seems of attempted child abductiions recently reported so hot footedly how sad can anyone get


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:19:17 AM
I just wondered

It's not really a theme that interests me  ...  I never know how to respond to fantasy   (  lack of imagination on my part I suppose  )

Why is it fantasy?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:20:40 AM
OC keep keys at 2 locations: In safe at Laundry room (near Tapas), and at 24hr reception
(source: employee statements)
Access is restricted, seems only supervisors can get keys out IMO.
I am very against all these attacks on honest OC workers.

And what about this

The keys to the living quarters and apartments that are under the responsibility of the Ocean Club, and are kept inside a safe in the Maintenance Garage, the access code to the safe is known by all maintenance workers.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MIGUEL-PALMA.htm

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 02:21:44 AM
Surely it is not only employees who had a key and access to that apartment on the 3rd.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 02:24:25 AM
Surely it is not only employees who had a key and access to that apartment on the 3rd.

No it was  parents anfd friends too!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 02:27:17 AM
And what about this
The keys to the living quarters and apartments that are under the responsibility of the Ocean Club, and are kept inside a safe in the Maintenance Garage, the access code to the safe is known by all maintenance workers.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MIGUEL-PALMA.htm
Well found vixte. However IMO for cleaners keys were issued by supervisors. And have we left out any other category of person, who had a key, why target only cleaners, maintenance men, supervisors and drivers etc?
P.S just saw redblossom thought of another category, hope SY include on list of keyholders, I do not like all this assuming it must be a low paid portuguese person.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:27:36 AM
Tomorrows  shower of shyte

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case


Not forgetting the previous ridiculous one from today to team tag it seems of attempted child abductiions recently reported so hot footedly how sad can anyone get


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

Typical UK strategy.. always works  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:27:48 AM
Surely it is not only employees who had a key and access to that apartment on the 3rd.

What do you mean, pegasus?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 09, 2014, 02:30:02 AM
Why is it fantasy?

I just don't think there is any rational  reason to think Scotland Yard took park in that Crimewatch programme because they thought the little girl who disappeared without trace seven years ago would be  sat on the sofa with the people who   'abducted'  her  watching it

It simply isn't  logical

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:37:50 AM
I just don't think there is any rational  reason to think Scotland Yard took park in that Crimewatch programme because they thought the little girl who disappeared without trace seven years ago would be  sat on the sofa with the people who   'abducted'  her  watching it

It simply isn't  logical

SY certainly did not do it for that reason. They needed to justify time and monies spent on their work so far. And the McCanns wanted to get their ideas/ message across to the viewing public. The BBC also benefited - highest ratings ever for a Crimewatch epoisode.  And there is also no harm in making public appeals. The programme suited everyone.

But the McCanns - in co-operation with the other parties involved - may have chosen to mention certain things they believe could have been significant for Madeleine herself. Of all the anecdotes that KM chose to mention, she chose something that included Madeleine's direct involvement with her, regarding something sentimental. That is something that could jog the emotions and memory. Nothing fantastical about it at all.

KM could well have been doing things like this for some time.

As mentioned, this approach is a major part of the Needham campaign now. I wouldn't be surprised, if the current investigation bears no fruit, the McCanns decide to take this kind of route in a far more obvious way as part of their campaign strategy.

Why not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 02:40:01 AM
I just don't think there is any rational  reason to think Scotland Yard took park in that Crimewatch programme because they thought the little girl who disappeared without trace seven years ago would be  sat on the sofa with the people who   'abducted'  her  watching it
It simply isn't  logical
I think SY are not daft but genuinely looking at every possibility but cant say so on CW.

P.S @sherlock guests
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:44:21 AM
I think SY are not daft but genuinely looking at every possibility but cant say so on CW.

P.S @sherlock guests

You mean the McCanns?

Or former guests?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:46:27 AM
I think SY are not daft but genuinely looking at every possibility but cant say so on CW.

P.S @sherlock guests

You mean the guests could have made a key copy?
Has the PJ ever asked the key copy shops near by if anyone had made a copy of this key?

(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/notwkey.jpg)

Quote
But Portuguese police have always believed any intruder would have used the FRONT DOOR to enter, knowing the McCanns would never use it that night. He could also have escaped through the shuttered front window to the children's bedroom. For this he would have needed a KEY to the front door. The one the McCanns had for the Ocean Club apartment is known in the locksmiths' trade as a "crucifix key" - and is very unusual because it has four sides. Experienced British locksmith John Reeder told us the key used to take us into the flat yesterday is almost certainly a copy. He said: "Most locksmiths would not be able to copy it without great difficulty. The one in the picture is almost certainly not the original."
Supporting the theory that the kidnap could be an inside job, he added: "I would say it is most likely there is at least one other key in circulation as most locks come with at least two spares when they are cut. But there are not many keys aroun like this one." http://www.mccannfiles.com/id21.htm  News of The World 11 May 2007l
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:50:43 AM
You mean the guests could have made a key copy?
Has the PJ ever asked the key copy shops near by if anyone had made a copy of this key?

(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/notwkey.jpg)

I am not sure what exact inquiries the PJ made, however I understand that the key is a special type of key that is very hard to copy. It is not the kind of key that you can walk into a shop on the high street with and have it copied. It is more like a master key of some kind that only certain people would be willing / able to copy, and only certain people have permission to copy.

There is a thread on this from several months ago - I will have a look for it.

All in all, it would be unlikely that guests would simply be able to copy a key in a local locksmith then return it to the OC without anyone knowing -  as far as I understand the matter.

But if keys were stolen, this would be something different.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 02:51:22 AM
You mean the McCanns?
Or former guests?
If SY are checking very thoroughly everyone who had access to apartment on evening 3rd logically their list of people to check must include the current guests of that apartment at that date
I do not think any OC employee was involved in any way.
IMO a small time thief without key opened the window which triggered an accident but thats just hypothetical
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 02:54:10 AM
If SY are checking very thoroughly everyone who had access to apartment on evening 3rd logically their list of people to check must include the current guests of that apartment at that date
I do not think any OC employee was involved in any way.
IMO a small time thief without key opened the window which triggered an accident but thats just hypothetical

I'm not sure I understand what you're getting at, pegasus...sorry getting tired...

The McCanns were the guests on 3rd

Would previous guests have been involved? Don't think so. They couldn't have known that the McCanns were planning to stay in that apartment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:56:54 AM
I am not sure what exact inquiries the PJ made, however I understand that the key is a special type of key that is very hard to copy. It is not the kind of key that you can walk into a shop on the high street with and have it copied. It is more like a master key of some kind that only certain people would be willing / able to copy, and only certain people have permission to copy.

There is a thread on this from several months ago - I will have a look for it.

All in all, it would be unlikely that guests would simply be able to copy a key in a local locksmith then return it to the OC without anyone knowing -  as far as I understand the matter.

But if keys were stolen, this would be something different.

But there are private owners in the resort and they have these same keys and they have every right to go and make a copy of it. So maybe the local locksmiths would not at all be surprised seeing it..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 09, 2014, 02:57:58 AM
I don't know what to make of the latest  'stolen keys'  story 

Who needs a key to get into  an apartment that is left unlocked every night  ?     
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 03:01:05 AM
I don't know what to make of the latest  'stolen keys'  story 

Who needs a key to get into  an apartment that is left unlocked every night  ?   

How would anyone know if it was left unlocked?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 03:02:23 AM
SY should be looking (initially) for a thief who did NOT have a key.
By looking for an intruder with key, SY are implicitly disbelieving KMs (honest) statement that she found the window open.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 03:02:31 AM
Here is the thread (not the earliest one; a more recent one ) where the matter of the key / copies is discussed, pegasus:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1754.msg101810;topicseen#msg101810

I think Anne however seems to say at one point that it was easier than this to get the key copied. Would be good if she was around just now to check with!

Missing you, Anne!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 03:06:10 AM
How would anyone know if it was left unlocked?

patio doors were unlocked, several statements say this.

but my view is that the exit of this person was the front door. ( even the first GNR search dogs went straight out through the front doors)

because it is it risky to go out through the patio doors, too much light, street light and he cannot see what is down behind the wall when he comes down the stairs.

same goes for entering through the patio doors.. too much street light, parents and friends constantly passing. front door is much safer for an intruder and easier to run away if someone turns up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 03:06:50 AM
SY should be looking (initially) for a thief who did NOT have a key.
By looking for an intruder with key, SY are implicitly disbelieving KMs (honest) statement that she found the window open.

But quite a few of our theories involve an open window and an open door.....

One does not necessarily negate the other.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 03:17:05 AM
IMO theories where a person who has a door key bizarrely opts to use a window instead are vastly complicated.

The problem with SY ignoring the obvious
(illicitly opened window = NO door key)
is that now all the cleaners, maintenance men and other honest workers are wrongly under suspicion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 03:19:50 AM
IMO theories where a person who has a door key bizarrely opts to use a window instead are vastly complicated.

The problem with SY ignoring the obvious
(illicitly opened window = NO door key)
is that now all the cleaners, maintenance men and other honest workers are wrongly under suspicion.

I don't think anyone said window was used instead. As far as forensics go, the window wasn't used at all.

Window could have been opened as a decoy and for a variety of other reasons.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 09, 2014, 03:24:35 AM
I don't think anyone said window was used instead. As far as forensics go, the window wasn't used at all.

Window could have been opened as a decoy and for a variety of other reasons.

oh,  please no  ...  not the red herring again

There's no getting away from it I'm afraid,   if that window wasn't opened as a way of  'breaking in'  to the apartment   (  as we were told by numerous McCann sources as early the next day,  it  had   )  ...  then it wouldn't have been opened at all 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 03:25:49 AM
oh,  please no  ...  not the red herring again

There's no getting away from it I'm afraid,   if that window wasn't opened as a way of  'breaking in'  to the apartment   (  as we were told by numerous McCann sources as early the next day,  it  had   )  ...  then it wouldn't have been opened at all

Well let's not go down that road again on this thread..agreed

Good night all
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 03:33:06 AM
I don't think anyone said window was used instead. As far as forensics go, the window wasn't used at all.
Window could have been opened as a decoy and for a variety of other reasons.
I agree it is possible to come up with various scenarios where someone who has a door key opens a window, or even invents an open window.
However I find all those theories too convoluted. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 09, 2014, 04:07:22 AM
I agree it is possible to come up with various scenarios where someone who has a door key opens a window, or even invents an open window.
However I find all those theories too convoluted. Just my opinion.

I concur pegasus

Unless  the window was opened as a way of  'breaking in'  to the apartment then it simply doesn't make sense that it was open at all

...  and like Judge Judy says,   "If it doesn't make sense then it's probably not true"   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2014, 08:41:01 AM
9th February 2014

Sunday Express

Apartment key theft cover-up by resort staff in Madeleine McCann case

KEYS to the holiday apartment from which Madeleine McCann was abducted were lost shortly before she vanished, it was claimed last night.

However, police were not informed about the loss of potentially crucial evidence which could unlock the seven-year mystery.

A Sunday Express investigation in Portugal has revealed astonishing new information which, if proved, suggests the kidnap was well planned and executed using stolen keys.

Amid claims that Portuguese police are about to arrest three former workers at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, based on information gathered by Scotland Yard, we tracked down a former maintenance worker at the complex whose revelations could change the direction of the international investigation.

The retired man, whose identity we have agreed to protect, said: “I have kept this to myself for long enough, so now it is right to tell people what happened.

“There was another maintenance worker at the Ocean Club who said he had lost a set of keys for the whole of block five.”

Kate and Gerry McCann, their twins Sean and Amelie and eldest daughter Madeleine, were staying in apartment 5a in the block, where there had been a spate of burglaries in the weeks before she vanished.

The former Ocean Club worker revealed: “I remember my colleague telling some of us the keys to that block had been lost.

“He told us about it in the week when the child was taken but I cannot remember the exact day. In the maintenance department we kept duplicates of all keys to the apartments.

“They were on a long cable and very clearly marked and we kept them in a safe.

“If there was a problem, a water leak, a gas leak, it was important for us to have entry to apartments if the owners or guests were out.


“When the man told us about the lost keys, he started crying. He was very upset. He was worried about losing his job, I think, and he did not want others to know about it.

“After the child disappeared, we all had to give statements to the police but I did not mention the keys had been lost because I did not think it was relevant.”

Shortly after Madeleine went missing, the world’s media descended on the Ocean Club and staff were told not to speak to journalists and to co-operate fully with police.

It was widely reported then that someone may have entered 5a through unlocked patio doors so people were not suggesting stolen duplicate keys could have been used to gain access through the front door.


The man said: “This has been on my mind for a long time and you are the first person I have told about it. I did not want to get the other man into trouble, I suppose.

"I didn’t really like the man and I didn’t want trouble from him. He was always doing nasty pranks. Once he put fibreglass in my work trousers which is not nice because it rubs against the skin and hurts.

“He was a young, confident man and I was a lot older than him and we just didn’t get on. In fact, he was the reason I left the job. After the little girl was taken, the atmosphere was really bad. It was not a good place to work.”

The Sunday Express has seen the statement the man gave to Portuguese police shortly after Madeleine was taken on the evening of May 3, 2007 ,and there is no mention of him stating keys had gone missing.

A Portuguese newspaper reported last week that police were particularly interested in a driver at the Ocean Club who dropped guests at the apartments after they arrived from Faro airport.

The man said: “On that night I was asked to do some driving because the man who was supposed to do the driving did not arrive at work. I remember ringing my wife and telling her I would be late home that night.”

Now that the man has come forward with new information he is likely to have to give a more detailed statement to police.

The Sunday Express tracked down the maintenance worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a pretty coastal town.

When we put it to him that keys were lost, he paused momentarily before saying: “That is not the case. I can’t remember any keys going missing. The keys in maintenance were kept in a safe and nobody could get to them.”

However, his former colleague insisted: “I know what he told me at the time. The keys for all the blocks were kept on a cable and clearly marked.

“He said he had lost the keys to block five. He told me in the same week when the little girl went missing. I am sure of this.

“From my memory I think they were replaced with duplicate keys for the apartments which were held at reception. I remember all this very clearly. He did not want us to tell people about it, so we didn’t say anything.”

Scotland Yard officers have made about 20 trips to Portugal for their investigation, Operation Grange, into Madeleine’s disappearance when she was approaching her fourth birthday.

Portuguese detectives have carried out inquiries on behalf of the Yard team, which has not been allowed to pursue investigations on the ground.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2014, 08:45:13 AM

9th February 2014

Mirror

Mum claims Madeleine McCann kidnappers may have tried to snatch her child in Algarve weeks beforehand


Detectives are to interview the mother whose drink was spiked by gypsy gang who showed an unnatural interest in her fair-haired daughter

Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers may have tried to snatch another blonde British toddler weeks before she vanished.

A mum has told Scotland Yard she believes “gypsy” restaurant staff in the Algarve spiked her drink then tried to carry her year-old daughter to a getaway car waiting outside.

She says she reported the dramatic incident to the Find Madeleine campaign line in 2007, but they were then too busy pursuing other lines of inquiry.

But now police from Operation Grange are set to interview the mum for a second time in two months in the hope it will uncover new evidence in the hunt for Madeleine.

The 30-year-old, who does not want to be named, was holidaying with her mother and her daughter in Montechoro near Albufeira – 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Maddie, three, vanished six weeks later.

She says she became aware of a gang of migrants from the former Soviet Union, working on the resort’s strip, taking a sinister interest in her girl.

“It was terrifying, like something out of a film,” said the mum. “From the first day of the holiday, a young dark-haired man kept popping up wherever we went. We would arrive at a restaurant and he’d show up minutes later as though he had been tipped off.

“It was low season so everywhere was quiet. There were about three or four restaurants open but the same staff would show up where we were. They all knew the dark-haired man. It felt like the Eastern European mafia was watching us.

“On the third night the man walked up to us, and chatted to us – but all about my daughter. He was obsessed, playing with her, stroking her hair. It was very over-familiar. He kept touching her and commenting on her blonde hair.

“She was struggling to eat her fish fingers and he picked them up and tried to feed them to her. It was all very uncomfortable.

“He was about 25 and my mum told him it was unusual to see someone his age interested in children. He said he had nephews back home. And he kept saying how cute she was,” said the mum.

The night before their flight home, things took a nightmarish twist. “He knew we were leaving,” said the mum. “We went into a restaurant and he arrived.

“There was a middle-aged couple who had served us before at another place. They were all over my daughter.

“They told me they missed their children in Uzbekistan and begged me to let them hold her.”

In the meantime they had served her with a glass of rosé wine.

“Within half an hour I felt really dizzy,” said the mum. “I knew I’d been drugged. It was only us in the restaurant and I felt vulnerable. I stood up and told mum we had to leave. As I did, the woman lifted my daughter out of her high chair and walked to the door.

“I heard an engine running. The man had vanished. I was terrified and managed to grab her back and barge the woman out of the way.

“We ran back to the hotel in the dark and bolted ourselves in the room. We were so frightened.”

The mum contacted police last October after a blonde girl found living with Roma gypsies in Greece was mistakenly thought to be Madeleine.

She said: “I’ve given a statement to Scotland Yard, and they are arranging to interview me again.

“I’ll do anything I can to help. I didn’t want to push it at the time because the investigators had their own theories. But now I’m speaking out. I can’t be the only mum who has had a near-miss. Someone might know something that could change the investigation.

“Police are taking what happened to us seriously.”

Her revelation comes days after it was revealed another family fear their young daughter was almost snatched in the Algarve in 2010.

Met detectives are still awaiting permission to question three ex-staff at the complex in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying in May 2007.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2014, 08:53:02 AM

Sinister Uzbeck Gipsy Mafia Spiked My Drink & Tried To Snatch My Maddie!!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 09, 2014, 08:53:41 AM
Mirror


Mum claims Madeleine McCann kidnappers may have tried to snatch her child in Algarve weeks beforehand


Detectives are to interview the mother whose drink was spiked by gypsy gang who showed an unnatural interest in her fair-haired daughter


Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers may have tried to snatch another blonde British toddler weeks before she vanished.

A mum has told Scotland Yard she believes “gypsy” restaurant staff in the Algarve spiked her drink then tried to carry her year-old daughter to a getaway car waiting outside.

She says she reported the dramatic incident to the Find Madeleine campaign line in 2007, but they were then too busy pursuing other lines of inquiry.

But now police from Operation Grange are set to interview the mum for a second time in two months in the hope it will uncover new evidence in the hunt for Madeleine.

The 30-year-old, who does not want to be named, was holidaying with her mother and her daughter in Montechoro near Albufeira – 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Maddie, three, vanished six weeks later.

She says she became aware of a gang of migrants from the former Soviet Union, working on the resort’s strip, taking a sinister interest in her girl.

“It was terrifying, like something out of a film,” said the mum. “From the first day of the holiday, a young dark-haired man kept popping up wherever we went. We would arrive at a restaurant and he’d show up minutes later as though he had been tipped off.

“It was low season so everywhere was quiet. There were about three or four restaurants open but the same staff would show up where we were. They all knew the dark-haired man. It felt like the Eastern European mafia was watching us.

“On the third night the man walked up to us, and chatted to us – but all about my daughter. He was obsessed, playing with her, stroking her hair. It was very over-familiar. He kept touching her and commenting on her blonde hair.

“She was struggling to eat her fish fingers and he picked them up and tried to feed them to her. It was all very uncomfortable.

“He was about 25 and my mum told him it was unusual to see someone his age interested in children. He said he had nephews back home. And he kept saying how cute she was,” said the mum.

The night before their flight home, things took a nightmarish twist. “He knew we were leaving,” said the mum. “We went into a restaurant and he arrived.

“There was a middle-aged couple who had served us before at another place. They were all over my daughter.

“They told me they missed their children in Uzbekistan and begged me to let them hold her.”

In the meantime they had served her with a glass of rosé wine.

“Within half an hour I felt really dizzy,” said the mum. “I knew I’d been drugged. It was only us in the restaurant and I felt vulnerable. I stood up and told mum we had to leave. As I did, the woman lifted my daughter out of her high chair and walked to the door.

“I heard an engine running. The man had vanished. I was terrified and managed to grab her back and barge the woman out of the way.

“We ran back to the hotel in the dark and bolted ourselves in the room. We were so frightened.”

The mum contacted police last October after a blonde girl found living with Roma gypsies in Greece was mistakenly thought to be Madeleine.

She said: “I’ve given a statement to Scotland Yard, and they are arranging to interview me again.

“I’ll do anything I can to help. I didn’t want to push it at the time because the investigators had their own theories. But now I’m speaking out. I can’t be the only mum who has had a near-miss. Someone might know something that could change the investigation.

“Police are taking what happened to us seriously.”

Her revelation comes days after it was revealed another family fear their young daughter was almost snatched in the Algarve in 2010.

Met detectives are still awaiting permission to question three ex-staff at the complex in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying in May 2007.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

i.e. More rollocks from the paper where 'tony sardine muncher parsons' purveyor of xenophobic filth resides.

Has he withdrawn the false allegation that Amaral told the mccanns to #### off yet ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 09, 2014, 08:56:25 AM
Sinister Uzbeck Gipsy Mafia Spiked My Drink & Tried To Snatch My Maddie!!

What was this woman on ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on February 09, 2014, 10:13:05 AM
What was this woman on ?

probably another spiked drink
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 09, 2014, 11:23:36 AM
this thread has a title...you are completely off topic as usual..reported

Morning sunshine. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 09, 2014, 11:27:40 AM
i.e. More rollocks from the paper where 'tony sardine muncher parsons' purveyor of xenophobic filth resides.

Has he withdrawn the false allegation that Amaral told the mccanns to #### off yet ?

With all this activity going on can we expect that something significant is about to happen and we are being misdirected?
I love the idea of the swarthy gitano slipping a Mickey to the naive English woman to get at the woman's little blonde girl. The Express probably took the idea from Francis Durbridge, slipping Mickeys was one if his likes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 09, 2014, 11:31:06 AM
With all this activity going on can we expect that something significant is about to happen and we are being misdirected?
I love the idea of the swarthy gitano slipping a Mickey to the naive English woman to get at the woman's little blonde girl. The Express probably took the idea from Francis Durbridge, slipping Mickeys was one if his likes.

 I agree with you...any breakthrough wont come from a newspaper but only when the pj accept to help SY...and thats probably where you disagree with me
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 11:33:29 AM
I have to say I get a bit weary at all these ridiculous stories. Other than selling copy, I cannot see that they achieve anything other than aim ridicule on the whole issue.

After so many similar unsubstantiated stories, I wonder if there is anyone who pays them heed?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 09, 2014, 12:32:35 PM
I agree with you...any breakthrough wont come from a newspaper but only when the pj accept to help SY...and thats probably where you disagree with me


Maybe in detail but not in principle oddly enough!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 09, 2014, 12:34:03 PM
9th February 2014

Sunday Express

Apartment key theft cover-up by resort staff in Madeleine McCann case

KEYS to the holiday apartment from which Madeleine McCann was abducted were lost shortly before she vanished, it was claimed last night.

However, police were not informed about the loss of potentially crucial evidence which could unlock the seven-year mystery.

A Sunday Express investigation in Portugal has revealed astonishing new information which, if proved, suggests the kidnap was well planned and executed using stolen keys.

Amid claims that Portuguese police are about to arrest three former workers at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, based on information gathered by Scotland Yard, we tracked down a former maintenance worker at the complex whose revelations could change the direction of the international investigation.

The retired man, whose identity we have agreed to protect, said: “I have kept this to myself for long enough, so now it is right to tell people what happened.

“There was another maintenance worker at the Ocean Club who said he had lost a set of keys for the whole of block five.”

Kate and Gerry McCann, their twins Sean and Amelie and eldest daughter Madeleine, were staying in apartment 5a in the block, where there had been a spate of burglaries in the weeks before she vanished.

The former Ocean Club worker revealed: “I remember my colleague telling some of us the keys to that block had been lost.

“He told us about it in the week when the child was taken but I cannot remember the exact day. In the maintenance department we kept duplicates of all keys to the apartments.

“They were on a long cable and very clearly marked and we kept them in a safe.

“If there was a problem, a water leak, a gas leak, it was important for us to have entry to apartments if the owners or guests were out.


“When the man told us about the lost keys, he started crying. He was very upset. He was worried about losing his job, I think, and he did not want others to know about it.

“After the child disappeared, we all had to give statements to the police but I did not mention the keys had been lost because I did not think it was relevant.”

Shortly after Madeleine went missing, the world’s media descended on the Ocean Club and staff were told not to speak to journalists and to co-operate fully with police.

It was widely reported then that someone may have entered 5a through unlocked patio doors so people were not suggesting stolen duplicate keys could have been used to gain access through the front door.


The man said: “This has been on my mind for a long time and you are the first person I have told about it. I did not want to get the other man into trouble, I suppose.

"I didn’t really like the man and I didn’t want trouble from him. He was always doing nasty pranks. Once he put fibreglass in my work trousers which is not nice because it rubs against the skin and hurts.

“He was a young, confident man and I was a lot older than him and we just didn’t get on. In fact, he was the reason I left the job. After the little girl was taken, the atmosphere was really bad. It was not a good place to work.”

The Sunday Express has seen the statement the man gave to Portuguese police shortly after Madeleine was taken on the evening of May 3, 2007 ,and there is no mention of him stating keys had gone missing.

A Portuguese newspaper reported last week that police were particularly interested in a driver at the Ocean Club who dropped guests at the apartments after they arrived from Faro airport.

The man said: “On that night I was asked to do some driving because the man who was supposed to do the driving did not arrive at work. I remember ringing my wife and telling her I would be late home that night.”

Now that the man has come forward with new information he is likely to have to give a more detailed statement to police.

The Sunday Express tracked down the maintenance worker who allegedly lost the keys, 29-year-old Tiago da Silva, who lives a few miles from Luz in Lagos, a pretty coastal town.

When we put it to him that keys were lost, he paused momentarily before saying: “That is not the case. I can’t remember any keys going missing. The keys in maintenance were kept in a safe and nobody could get to them.”

However, his former colleague insisted: “I know what he told me at the time. The keys for all the blocks were kept on a cable and clearly marked.

“He said he had lost the keys to block five. He told me in the same week when the little girl went missing. I am sure of this.

“From my memory I think they were replaced with duplicate keys for the apartments which were held at reception. I remember all this very clearly. He did not want us to tell people about it, so we didn’t say anything.”

Scotland Yard officers have made about 20 trips to Portugal for their investigation, Operation Grange, into Madeleine’s disappearance when she was approaching her fourth birthday.

Portuguese detectives have carried out inquiries on behalf of the Yard team, which has not been allowed to pursue investigations on the ground.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/458798/Apartment-key-theft-cover-up-by-resort-staff-in-Madeleine-McCann-case


Miguel Goncalves Da Costa Palma

The keys to the living quarters and apartments that are under the responsibility of the Ocean Club, and are kept inside a safe in the Maintenance Garage, the access code to the safe is known by all maintenance workers.

He finished work at 18H20, and left the Ocean Club resort, heading for Burgau, in the company of a colleague, Tiago, and after that went home.

Tiago Pires Luz da Silva

 Regarding this, he states that he did not effectuate any service in the apartment that they occupied, but knows that Luis and Mario, his colleagues, were sent there regarding a request to repair a blind and to give explanation as to how to run the washing machine. He assumes that the family of Madeleine was already there;
 . After seeing a photograph of little Madeleine, he affirms that he never once saw that child;
 . On the day of the disappearance of the child, that next morning (04/05/07) at around 01H23, he received a telephone call from the LOC reservations sector which he did not answer. He knows this because the number appeared on his mobile;
 . When the telephone rang, he was sleeping and when looked at the ?display? of the mobile it looked as though what was recorded as the name 'Relvas', instead of 'Reservations', and thought it was a friend of his who often call shim at odd hours, already inebriated;
 . It was around 08H20/08H30 of this same day when they called again 'this time it was Nuno, his colleague, asking the witness to pay particular attention for a missing child' a 3 year old missing since yesterday, dressed in pyjamas, on his way to the LOC;
 . On his way to work, he did not see observe anything that would help located the child;
 . He went from Burgau to Luz, in his car, accompanied by this girlfriend who was also informed;
 . Questioned, states that he did not notice, at any moment, someone with an unusual comportment, who could in some form, be related to the missing child;
 . If any situation comes to light, he is perfectly aware of the procedure he needs to take, which is, the communication with the authorities, which he would carry out without reservation;
 . Clarifies that he is at the disposition of the authorities for anything that is necessary;


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 09, 2014, 12:51:36 PM
I have to say I get a bit weary at all these ridiculous stories. Other than selling copy, I cannot see that they achieve anything other than aim ridicule on the whole issue.

After so many similar unsubstantiated stories, I wonder if there is anyone who pays them heed?

It does rather tend to detract from the primary event that nearly 7 years ago a little girl went on holiday not to return. She has to all intents and purposes disappeared into thin air and despite the expenditure of an inordinate amount of manhours and money no one apart from those responsible has the remotest idea of what happened. That in my book is a tragedy. That any one howsoever is making money out of it is a sin.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2014, 01:04:46 PM

9th February 2014

Daily Record

Madeleine McCann: Young mum claims kidnappers may have tried to snatch her child in Algarve just weeks before Maddy disappeared

POLICE are to interview the woman who says her drink was spiked by a gypsy gang who showed an unnatural interest in her fair-haired daughter.

MADELEINE McCann’s kidnappers may have tried to snatch another blonde British toddler weeks before she vanished.
 
A mum has told Scotland Yard she believes “gypsy” restaurant staff in the Algarve spiked her drink then tried to carry her year-old daughter to a getaway car waiting outside.
 
She says she reported the dramatic incident to the Find Madeleine campaign line in 2007, but they were then too busy pursuing other lines of inquiry.
 
But now police from Operation Grange are set to interview the mum for a second time in two months in the hope it will uncover new evidence in the hunt for Madeleine.
 
The 30-year-old, who does not want to be named, was holidaying with her mother and her daughter in Montechoro near Albufeira – 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Maddie, three, vanished six weeks later.
 
She says she became aware of a gang of migrants from the former Soviet Union, working on the resort’s strip, taking a sinister interest in her girl.
 
“It was terrifying, like something out of a film,” said the mum. “From the first day of the holiday, a young dark-haired man kept popping up wherever we went. We would arrive at a restaurant and he’d show up minutes later as though he had been tipped off.
 
“It was low season so everywhere was quiet. There were about three or four restaurants open but the same staff would show up where we were. They all knew the dark-haired man. It felt like the Eastern European mafia was watching us.
 
“On the third night the man walked up to us, and chatted to us – but all about my daughter. He was obsessed, playing with her, stroking her hair. It was very over-familiar. He kept touching her and commenting on her blonde hair.
 
“She was struggling to eat her fish fingers and he picked them up and tried to feed them to her. It was all very uncomfortable.
 
“He was about 25 and my mum told him it was unusual to see someone his age interested in children. He said he had nephews back home. And he kept saying how cute she was,” said the mum.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-young-mum-claims-3127865
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
Amaral, Amaral, Amaral,. are you all Amaral?

Or you are all living in a collective bubble in past?


This is a news thread...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 09, 2014, 02:22:33 PM
I have to say I get a bit weary at all these ridiculous stories. Other than selling copy, I cannot see that they achieve anything other than aim ridicule on the whole issue.

After so many similar unsubstantiated stories, I wonder if there is anyone who pays them heed?

We all know where this Pinky rehashed waffle is coming from.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:30:05 PM
They're not Amaral's theories. They are theories that inevitably existed well before he wrote his book, and which would inevitably still exist today if he hadn't written it (because nothing has emerged since to indicate they could not be true).

Oh c'mon.. I am sick of it.. What, for example?

Like the theory shown in his video about opening the front door with a credit card??? And the same time ignoring the (NON-INVESTIGATED!) fact that there were numerous versions of the apartments keys in the hands of 'everyone and his dog'?

Sorry but that is insult to one's intelligence!  And if anyone wants to still talk about these unfolded CONSPIRACY ways, I have nothing against it.. but there is an own thread for it

I'd rather see the modern police finally investigate this modern case with the modern technology supported methods widely used in our modern times.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 09, 2014, 02:31:30 PM
Trouble is, too many people have too much personally invested in their own theories to allow an easy climb down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2014, 02:35:13 PM
They're not Amaral's theories. They are theories that inevitably existed well before he wrote his book, and which would inevitably still exist today if he hadn't written it (because nothing has emerged since to indicate they could not be true).

Oh c'mon.. I am sick of it.. What, for example?

Like the theory shown in his video about opening the front door with a credit card??? And the same time ignoring the (NON-INVESTIGATED!) fact that there were numerous versions of the apartments keys in the hands of 'everyone and his dog'?

Sorry but that is insult to one's intelligence!  And if anyone wants to still talk about these unfolded CONSPIRACY ways, I have nothing against it.. but there is an own thread for it

I'd rather see the modern police finally investigate this modern case with the modern technology supported methods widely used in our modern times.


Oh c'mon.. I am sick of it.. What, for example?

Gee, I don't know, like maybe Madeleine wasn't abducted or something.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 09, 2014, 02:36:10 PM


I'd rather see the modern police finally investigate this modern case with the modern technology supported methods widely used in our modern times.

My only concern is that SY and others are placing too much relevance on technology over good policing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 02:39:54 PM
My only concern is that SY and others are placing too much relevance on technology over good policing.

Indeed. The only technology they seem to be relying on is that of mobile phones and I don't believe that will give the answer.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 02:50:17 PM
Oh c'mon.. I am sick of it.. What, for example?

Like the theory shown in his video about opening the front door with a credit card??? And the same time ignoring the (NON-INVESTIGATED!) fact that there were numerous versions of the apartments keys in the hands of 'everyone and his dog'?

Sorry but that is insult to one's intelligence!  And if anyone wants to still talk about these unfolded CONSPIRACY ways, I have nothing against it.. but there is an own thread for it

I'd rather see the modern police finally investigate this modern case with the modern technology supported methods widely used in our modern times.

The keys story (if true) changes nothing, Vixte. It doesn't take us any further on than we were in week 1.

It is taking the easy way out to just sit back and say there was opportunity therefore Madeleine was abducted by burglars/resort workers/travelers/the faceless bogeyman.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 02:51:19 PM
My only concern is that SY and others are placing too much relevance on technology over good policing.

I have read the files. IMO that was very far from a good policing.
There was lots of only 'surface sweeping' moments, without asking the proper questions and without deep analysis.
Only one line of enquiry, the possibility that Madeleine died as a result of the parents involvement was investigated to a higher level, but this included lots of 'low level' analysis.

In science, to prove a theory you have to have facts ABCD to come together. In Amaral's theory there were only 'A' parts of it.

What PJ and SY are trying to do now is finding B, C, D s to prove a theory. And if you have material facts, at least As and Bs you can try looking for Cs and try proving a theory.

Only talk is not a theory. It is an unproven speculation.,
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 09, 2014, 02:56:31 PM

If she does turn up tomorrow, someone here is likely to come up with a theory that Team Amaral had a cunning strategy that they'd been working on for 7 years + whereby accusing the parents and leaking half-baked myths against them was actually to allow an abductor to let her go home. Or something.

Haven't we seen that somewhere before, very recently?  It's a good wheeze, you must admit.  And it worked, according to Luz.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 09, 2014, 02:59:24 PM
My only concern is that SY and others are placing too much relevance on technology over good policing.

What good policing when it can't even understand DNA and Forensics?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 03:16:53 PM
Unfortunately, police officers are not the brightest of people and have to rely on 'experts' for technological opinion and guidance. Experts seldom agree with one another.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 09, 2014, 03:20:49 PM
I have read the files. IMO that was very far from a good policing.
There was lots of only 'surface sweeping' moments, without asking the proper questions and without deep analysis.
Only one line of enquiry, the possibility that Madeleine died as a result of the parents involvement was investigated to a higher level, but this included lots of 'low level' analysis.

In science, to prove a theory you have to have facts ABCD to come together. In Amaral's theory there were only 'A' parts of it.

What PJ and SY are trying to do now is finding B, C, D s to prove a theory. And if you have material facts, at least As and Bs you can try looking for Cs and try proving a theory.

Only talk is not a theory. It is an unproven speculation.,

In science, you try to disprove a theory, not prove it. That's why it's science.

I say that A causes B and you, me and a hundred other guys try to work out why that wouldn't work. If we can't, we build a LHC to try and find evidence to support it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 03:24:47 PM
In this case SY appear to be trying to find evidence to prove a certain theory.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on February 09, 2014, 03:59:31 PM
Unless they find Madeleine or her remains I find it very difficult to believe that there will ever be a prosecution.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 09, 2014, 04:16:58 PM
In this case SY appear to be trying to find evidence to prove a certain theory.

I don't think SY are being allowed to do anything at the moment
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 04:20:56 PM
I don't think SY are being allowed to do anything at the moment

Ah, you mean those dastardly Portuguese are thwarting their every wish ?
I've no doubt the PJ are doing everything that is legally required of them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 09, 2014, 04:23:14 PM
Ah, you mean those dastardly Portuguese are thwarting their every wish ?
I've no doubt the PJ are doing everything that is legally required of them.

It may well be legal red tape thats holding things up...I just hope they are able eventually to do all they want
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 09, 2014, 04:26:05 PM
Unless they find Madeleine or her remains I find it very difficult to believe that there will ever be a prosecution.


I am with you there. I just hope that even if that is not the case someway will be found to end this distasteful circus.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 04:42:15 PM
It may well be legal red tape thats holding things up...I just hope they are able eventually to do all they want

It is not only SY that is working on the case. They have a supporting PJ team as well as an independent PJ team.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 04:56:33 PM
My only concern is that SY and others are placing too much relevance on technology over good policing.

But what choice do they have?

After seven years, trails have gone cold. The time for good policing has passed.

All they can do is work with the snippets they have.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 05:04:59 PM
So you don't think that detailed questioning  or re-questioning of all the persons known to be closely involved with her at PDL should be a priority ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 05:09:55 PM

I am with you there. I just hope that even if that is not the case someway will be found to end this distasteful circus.

Elephants - in the room
Tiger - media circus Mccanns started against police advice and can't escape and which IMO damaged he "search"

Clowns - oh yes, lots of them

Tightrope walkers -

 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 09, 2014, 05:10:39 PM
But what choice do they have?

After seven years, trails have gone cold. The time for good policing has passed.

All they can do is work with the snippets they have.

True. Unless someone breaks under the pressure of guilt the chances of a conclusion are remote.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 05:11:11 PM
So you don't think that detailed questioning  or re-questioning of all the persons known to be closely involved with her at PDL should be a priority ?

Yes, I think that everything that can be done, should be done.

Hopefully there will be new information to be gleaned, interviewing people who may not have been thoroughly questioned last time, and other diligences technological and otherwise.

But the fact remains that some of the trails that were not pursued rigorously enough at the beginning will have gone cold.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 05:13:36 PM
But what choice do they have?

After seven years, trails have gone cold. The time for good policing has passed.

All they can do is work with the snippets they have.

Seven years is better than seventy. But snippets? There is a mass of information, and the Met have supercomputers (while we only have our feeble, amateur brains).

You'd expect something more than what we've seen I think... if there was actually anything to find in the direction they have been looking that is.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 09, 2014, 05:14:32 PM
Yes, I think that everything that can be done, should be done.

Hopefully there will be new information to be gleaned, interviewing people who may not have been thoroughly questioned last time, and other diligences technological and otherwise.

But the fact remains that some of the trails that were not pursued rigorously enough at the beginning will have gone cold.

Problem is that recollection of events 7 years ago is bound to be a little flakey and the chances of false memories associated with the publicity surrounding the case increase.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 05:18:20 PM
Yes, I think that everything that can be done, should be done.

Hopefully there will be new information to be gleaned, interviewing people who may not have been thoroughly questioned last time, and other diligences technological and otherwise.

But the fact remains that some of the trails that were not pursued rigorously enough at the beginning will have gone cold.

Yes, more rigorous questioning at the beginning may well have solved the mystery, but SY & PJ have to work with what is available to them  now.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 05:20:27 PM
Problem is that recollection of events 7 years ago is bound to be a little flakey and the chances of false memories associated with the publicity surrounding the case increase.

I don't think police lose sleep at night worrying about that possibility. >@@(*&)

They just let the lawyers decide whether to proceed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 09, 2014, 05:25:46 PM
Yes, I think that everything that can be done, should be done.

Hopefully there will be new information to be gleaned, interviewing people who may not have been thoroughly questioned last time, and other diligences technological and otherwise.

But the fact remains that some of the trails that were not pursued rigorously enough at the beginning will have gone cold.

This is yet another tragedy.  The original investigation was so very deeply flawed.  This is now being proved.  But none of that would have been the end of the world if only Amaral had not compounded the felony.
No One would seriously have blamed him for not being able to cope.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 05:27:13 PM
 >@@(*&)
Seven years is better than seventy. But snippets? There is a mass of information, and the Met have supercomputers (while we only have our feeble, amateur brains).

You'd expect something more than what we've seen I think... if there was actually anything to find in the direction they have been looking that is.

Seven is better than seventy, yes. And computers are great - but they're only as good as what has been programmed into them. Information that was lost at the start and never placed on file is for the most part irreplaceable.

As to what we've seen so far, they surely must either be near a breakthrough of some kind, regarding which these recent articles are some kind of bizarre drumroll, or they're showing that a frenzy of work is going on before announcing that there have been no major conclusions. One way  or another,  Operation Grange is not going to go on for all that much longer.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 05:31:07 PM
Seven is better than seventy, yes. And computers are great - but they're only as good as what has been programmed into them. Information that was lost at the start and never placed on file is for the most part irreplaceable.

As to what we've seen so far, they surely must either be near a breakthrough of some kind, regarding which these recent articles are some bizarre drumroll, or they're showing that a frenzy of work is going on before announcing that there have been no conclusions to their work. One way  or another, Operation Grange is not going to go on for all that much longer.

I wish I shared your confidence. Obviously the plug will be pulled - just hope its in my lifetime.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 05:32:07 PM
I wish I shared your confidence. Obviously the plug will be pulled - just hope its in my lifetime.

Who do you think is going to continue paying for it if it does go on much longer?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on February 09, 2014, 05:33:34 PM
This is yet another tragedy.  The original investigation was so very deeply flawed.  This is now being proved.  But none of that would have been the end of the world if only Amaral had not compounded the felony.
No One would seriously have blamed him for not being able to cope.

Nothing of the sort has been proved. After nearly 3 years Grange have come up with nothing except the e-fits which the McCanns wanted kept quiet.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 05:36:44 PM
Nothing of the sort has been proved. After nearly 3 years Grange have come up with nothing except the e-fits which the McCanns wanted kept quiet.

Let's hope there is a great deal more going on behind the scenes than we know of, and that these press 'reports' are simply diversions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 05:38:18 PM
9th February 2014

Mirror

Mum claims Madeleine McCann kidnappers may have tried to snatch her child in Algarve weeks beforehand
Did they already find them then?

Detectives are to interview the mother whose drink was spiked by gypsy gang who showed an unnatural interest in her fair-haired daughter Southern and Eastern Europeans are more demonstrative in affection or praise with others  kids, they dont think Oh I will be called a paedophile

Madeleine McCann’s kidnappers may have tried to snatch another blonde British toddler weeks before she vanished. Who are they again? Do share

A mum has told Scotland Yard she believes “gypsy” restaurant staff in the Algarve spiked her drink then tried to carry her year-old daughter to a getaway car waiting outside. Were they wearing large hoop earrings, stank, had loads of gold teeth and headscarfs? With a few stolen children running behind them?

She says she reported the dramatic incident to the Find Madeleine campaign line in 2007, but they were then too busy pursuing other lines of inquiry. When? In 2007? Days, weeks or many many months later when there was a campaign number There was no number apart from Portuguese police initially and later, after September Metodo 3s number?

But now police from Operation Grange are set to interview the mum for a second time in two months in the hope it will uncover new evidence in the hunt for Madeleine.

The 30-year-old, who does not want to be named, was holidaying with her mother and her daughter in Montechoro near Albufeira – 30 miles from Praia da Luz where Maddie, three, vanished six weeks later.

She says she became aware of a gang of migrants from the former Soviet Union, working on the resort’s strip, taking a sinister interest in her girl.

“It was terrifying, like something out of a film,” said the mum. “From the first day of the holiday, a young dark-haired man kept popping up wherever we went. We would arrive at a restaurant and he’d show up minutes later as though he had been tipped off. Well never heard of staying in and takeaways if you were so terrified of the stalker abductor?

“It was low season so everywhere was quiet. There were about three or four restaurants open but the same staff would show up where we were. They all knew the dark-haired man. It felt like the Eastern European mafia was watching us. Must have been all in the mafia family working everywhere all the time

“On the third night the man walked up to us, and chatted to us – but all about my daughter. He was obsessed, playing with her, stroking her hair. It was very over-familiar. He kept touching her and commenting on her blonde hair.

“She was struggling to eat her fish fingers and he picked them up and tried to feed them to her. It was all very uncomfortable.

“He was about 25 and my mum told him it was unusual to see someone his age interested in children. He said he had nephews back home. And he kept saying how cute she was,” said the mum.

The night before their flight home, things took a nightmarish twist. “He knew we were leaving,” said the mum. “We went into a restaurant and he arrived. How did he know you were leaving? if he turned up everywhere you went all the time then that's that?

“There was a middle-aged couple who had served us before at another place. They were all over my daughter. perverts hey?

“They told me they missed their children in Uzbekistan and begged me to let them hold her.”

In the meantime they had served her with a glass of rosé wine. Who the one year old? You should have ordered Ribena

“Within half an hour I felt really dizzy,” said the mum. “I knew I’d been drugged. Maybe it was too much and or dodgy booze It was only us in the restaurant and I felt vulnerable. I stood up and told mum we had to leave. As I did, the woman lifted my daughter out of her high chair and walked to the door.

“I heard an engine running. The man had vanished. I was terrified and managed to grab her back and barge the woman out of the way.

“We ran back to the hotel in the dark and bolted ourselves in the room. We were so frightened.”

The mum contacted police last October after a blonde girl found living with Roma gypsies in Greece was mistakenly thought to be Madeleine. No, the Roma gypsy girl was not thought by anybody at all to be Madeleine

She said: “I’ve given a statement to Scotland Yard, and they are arranging to interview me again.

Err, did it cross your mind to call Portugal police back in 2007 or even crimestoppers or Leicester Police?

“I’ll do anything I can to help. I didn’t want to push it at the time because the investigators had their own theories. Which investigators? But now I’m speaking out. I can’t be the only mum who has had a near-miss. Someone might know something that could change the investigation.

“Police are taking what happened to us seriously.”

Her revelation comes days it was revealed another family fear their young daughter was almost snatched in the Algarve in 2010. No it's about seven bleedin years!

Met detectives are still awaiting permission to question three ex-staff at the complex in Praia da Luz where the McCanns were staying in May 2007.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

And this has got to be one of the shittiest unbelievable articles ever by Murray the Mirror (or whoever fed it to him) ever!

ETA I also notice she says she was drink spiked and an attempted abduction happened in her ne year old baby but NO mention whatsoever of reporting it to the police or what happened after but she reported the "dramatic incident" to the Find Madeleine campaign!!!


 >@@(*&)

Suckers are us hey?


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 05:44:59 PM
It's a very odd article, Red.

One thing I simply cannot understand, however ( not the only thing; just an expression!) is  in what way such articles could be considered of benefit to the McCanns.

If PPF as you call him is indeed behind a lot of what has been printed recently, then why choose stories which make SY look ridiculous and the MCanns look like idiots?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 05:49:53 PM
Who do you think is going to continue paying for it if it does go on much longer?

Us, of course, possibly for as long as Cameron is in power
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 05:51:51 PM
It's a very odd article, Red.

One thing I simply cannot understand, however ( not the only thing; just an expression) is  in what way such articles could be considered of benefit to the McCanns.

If PPF as you call him is indeed behind a lot of what has been printed recently, then why choose stories which make SY look ridiculous and the MCanns look like idiots?

Because they'll use any excuse to suggest abductors were, are and always will be all over Portugal?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 05:53:55 PM
Nothing of the sort has been proved. After nearly 3 years Grange have come up with nothing except the e-fits which the McCanns wanted kept quiet.

Thats right...all the rest is hot air...up and until SY make their next broadcast

McCann fund spokesman quoted in the Times they didn't want to release the efits, so yes, they kept them hidden
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 05:54:32 PM
For how much longer is Cameron intending to be in power?

(Lost track of British politics a little while ago, sorry..)

An election is scheduled for 2015, though I forget just when.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 05:55:38 PM
An election is scheduled for 2015, though I forget just when.

May ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 05:57:00 PM
Thats right...all the rest is hot air...up and until SY make their next broadcast

To what avail? Are the tabloids just in a competition to see who can come up with the most ridiculous story?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 09, 2014, 05:57:34 PM
Nothing of the sort has been proved. After nearly 3 years Grange have come up with nothing except the e-fits which the McCanns wanted kept quiet.

There is no proof that The McCanns wanted the efits kept quiet, or any reason for why they should.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 05:57:43 PM
It's a very odd article, Red.

One thing I simply cannot understand, however ( not the only thing; just an expression!) is  in what way such articles could be considered of benefit to the McCanns.

If PPF as you call him is indeed behind a lot of what has been printed recently, then why choose stories which make SY look ridiculous and the MCanns look like idiots?

I don't think SY have been made to look ridiculous because they can't be the source of these stupid articles, it's whatever clown is behind them

IF Mitchell is behind them then it does make the Mccanns look like idiots because he works for them

 >@@(*&)

Who else could it be?

As for benefitting, well, plugging the idea that loads of kids in the algarve have been tried to be snatched here there and anywhere for one...mixing attempted burglaries with attempted abductions, men riding up on motorbikes trying to snatch kids off their mums arms, spiking women's drinks to steal their child, and the rest of the rubbish, now we have oh, all the keys off block five were mislaid stolen, therefore ocean club workers are the culprits


!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 09, 2014, 06:00:56 PM
For how much longer is Cameron intending to be in power?

(Lost track of British politics a little while ago, sorry..)

No, no.  It wuz Brown.  Or wuz it Blair.  They are all IN IT.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 06:07:31 PM
I don't think SY have been made to look ridiculous because they can't be the source of these stupid articles, it's whatever clown is behind them

IF Mitchell is behind them then it does make the Mccanns look like idiots because he works for them

 >@@(*&)

Who else could it be?

As for benefitting, well, plugging the idea that loads of kids in the algarve have been tried to be snatched here there and anywhere for one...mixing attempted burglaries with attempted abductions, men riding up on motorbikes trying to snatch kids off their mums arms, spiking women's drinks to steal their child, and the rest of the rubbish, now we have oh, all the keys off block five were mislaid stolen, therefore ocean club workers are the culprits


!

From that article: she spoke to the Met in October... they haven't interviewed her yet.

Say no more 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 06:07:56 PM
To what avail? Are the tabloids just in a competition to see who can come up with the most ridiculous story?

I have no idea of the machinations and the whys and wherefores of their minds...


 @)(++(*


Eta that includes media police and politicians btw....on the one hand they can be absolutely fantastic....on the other downright corrupt....we shall have to see which way the cookie crumbles for all three when it all comes out in the wash which it will eventually
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 06:10:41 PM
From that article: she spoke to the Met in October... they haven't interviewed her yet.

Say no more 8)-)))

It said the Met are set to interview her for the second time in two months....I make two months December, so they took two months to interview her the first time round
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 06:13:12 PM
Clearly not considered a priority, then.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 06:42:35 PM
Intending? Forever! For ever and ever! Or at least until he's completely sold off the public sector to his cronies and made his personal fortune.

Yeah, May 2015 should probably do it.

Cameron is nothing but a little boy in a sweet shop playing around, I just can't take him seriously at all, not that I can take Ed wally Milliband seriously either

Clegg is a traitor vis a vis student fees eg  but at least he opposes Cameron on quite a few things

None of them have charisma or inspire

they're just all silly puppets lol

I hope Rebekkah Brookes gets found guilty btw re phone hacking and other shenanigans, stop the rot wherever you can I say, then let's see what Cameron has to say

And his "cosy relationship " with her and sanctioning off her demand for a Maddie review otherwise she would stick the Home Secretary onthe front page of the Sun every day

Just working for the awful awful Sun  should be a crime in itself


 8**8:/:


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 09, 2014, 06:54:17 PM
Clearly not considered a priority, then.

obviously NOT

can't hear the cries of oh, SY dragging their feet or not following up important leads and evidence..pah
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 09, 2014, 06:58:00 PM
Perhaps even the diehards recognise it for the crap it is.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 09, 2014, 07:20:29 PM
About the "lost keys" and the two phone calls from OC to employee.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121
If there anyone here who has the files ON DVD and is willing to look up one phone number for me, please send me a PM message
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on February 09, 2014, 08:04:38 PM
There is no proof that The McCanns wanted the efits kept quiet, or any reason for why they should.

Yes there is their spokesman told the Sunday Times it would be a "distraction"  and we all know why they wanted them hidden.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 09, 2014, 08:58:56 PM
Yes there is their spokesman told the Sunday Times it would be a "distraction"  and we all know why they wanted them hidden.

could you provide a link to the article you are relying on for your information
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 09:08:03 PM
I don't think SY have been made to look ridiculous because they can't be the source of these stupid articles, it's whatever clown is behind them

IF Mitchell is behind them then it does make the Mccanns look like idiots because he works for them

 >@@(*&)

Who else could it be?

As for benefitting, well, plugging the idea that loads of kids in the algarve have been tried to be snatched here there and anywhere for one...mixing attempted burglaries with attempted abductions, men riding up on motorbikes trying to snatch kids off their mums arms, spiking women's drinks to steal their child, and the rest of the rubbish, now we have oh, all the keys off block five were mislaid stolen, therefore ocean club workers are the culprits


!

Why cannot the source of the article be the person who the article is about?
Maybe she told it to a friend and the friend told the papers?
Then when they found her, she did not want to be named, but she told them the story?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 09, 2014, 10:49:15 PM
Yes that's what should happen.

Either way I dont see how maintenance department could get all those replacement keys from reception (or replacement locks fitted) without at least one worker at reception also knowing, and without at least one top manager also knowing.Yet zero employees/managers mention this in statements.

The involvement of reputation control peeps from day one obviously had nothing to do with it hopefully.

Of course this is all based on the generous assumption that the Express has accurately represented what was said by the two employees it interviewed.

I am thinking that this is the usual police tactics.
When air gets hot they start naming each other..

'The driver' knows he's been mentioned in the news.. and by  doing this he is saying 'It wasn't me.. check out this other guy'
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on February 09, 2014, 10:58:24 PM
I am thinking that this is the usual police tactics.
When air gets hot they start naming each other..

'The driver' knows he's been mentioned in the news.. and by  doing this he is saying 'It wasn't me.. check out this other guy'

My thoughts as well, but not sure  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 09, 2014, 11:52:49 PM
I am thinking that this is the usual police tactics.
When air gets hot they start naming each other..

'The driver' knows he's been mentioned in the news.. and by  doing this he is saying 'It wasn't me.. check out this other guy'

This might create a problem (perhaps it has already). The British police can't investigate in Portugal but they appear to be working closely with the press, who are investigating/mud slinging.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 09, 2014, 11:59:51 PM
This might create a problem (perhaps it has already). The British police can't investigate in Portugal but they appear to be working closely with the press, who are investigating/mud slinging.

That can't be doing much for the diplomatic relations we're always reading about.

And there is a legal process ongoing with regard to the letter of request. Any antics on the part of the UK involving police could  throw a spanner in the works.

I don't believe all these stories are  co-ordinated at all. Just desperate attempts to sell copies.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 12:06:43 AM
That can't be doing much for the diplomatic relations we're always reading about.

And there is a legal process ongoing with regard to the letter of request. Any antics on the part of the UK involving police could  throw a spanner in the works.

I don't believe all these stories are  co-ordinated at all. Just desperate attempts to sell copies.

We'll agree to disagree about that, SH 8)-))) I think they're being briefed and being used as tools (Mirror, Mail, and James Murray anyway).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 12:19:08 AM
We'll agree to disagree about that, SH 8)-))) I think they're being briefed and being used as tools (Mirror, Mail, and James Murray anyway).

I defer to your superior medial knowledge, Lyall.

Just seems counterproductive to me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 12:26:44 AM
TBH I don't really understand what is going on at the moment.

We are told SY and PJ are working together. I have seen suggestions in here that PJ side is 'reserved' and they are holding all the moving ahead threads in their  'slow' hands..

SY doesn't need to sneakily leak the data and to make 'some people' nervous, and wait for their reactions, as I have also have seen as suggested..

The normal way in policing between countries is through Intepol or maybe possibly there is an EU body which does the same for EU countries.

If finding out that the 'guilty part' are the OC workers, or even MW workers.. there should not be any secrecy around it.. Why? For what reason? To protect one company? To protect businesses?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 12:29:53 AM
I defer to your superior medial knowledge, Lyall.

Just seems counterproductive to me.

They want a joint investigation because we know how slow the letters of request process is (plus the Met can't sit in on questioniong/vary the questions etc.).

Maybe they're hoping the press will turn something up to influence the Portuguese to agree to that?

Or maybe they're just desperate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 12:32:40 AM
They want a joint investigation because we know how slow the letters of request process is (plus the Met can't sit in on questioniong/vary the questions etc.).

Maybe they're hoping the press will turn something up to influence the Portuguese to agree to that?

Or maybe they're just desperate.

I think PT is weighting out what damage would it cause if the OC workers were really involved and they cannot agree on this between themselves.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 12:34:21 AM
I think PT is weighting out what damage would it cause if the OC workers were really involved and they cannot agree on this between themselves.

Or maybe they just haven't seen any evidence yet. Lots of press hype, but evidence? Maybe not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 12:45:18 AM
They want a joint investigation because we know how slow the letters of request process is (plus the Met can't sit in on questioniong/vary the questions etc.).

Maybe they're hoping the press will turn something up to influence the Portuguese to agree to that?

Or maybe they're just desperate.

That's the part I don't understand. A joint investigation means co-operation on several levels. Going of at tangents just for the sake of it does not seem to me to fit in with a co-ordinated approach and could damage relations.

SY are relying on the tabloids to do their homework for them you say? Are UK tabloid writers known for their diplomacy skills?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 12:45:33 AM
Or maybe they just haven't seen any evidence yet. Lots of press hype, but evidence? Maybe not.

If the letters were about the questioning there should be the evidence accompanying it. SY would not just blindly point their fingers at someone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 12:48:34 AM
If the letters were about the questioning there should be the evidence accompanying it. SY would not just blindly point their fingers at someone.

Sufficient evidence then, that's what I meant. Imagine if the Portuguese had asked British police to create a joint investigation in 2007/8: the British would need an awful lot of convincing wouldn't they - evidence would need to be substantial and compelling.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 12:51:07 AM
Sufficient evidence then, that's what I meant. Imagine if the Portuguese had asked British police to create a joint investigation in 2007/8: the British would need an awful lot of convincing wouldn't they - evidence would need to be substantial and compelling.

It is not the same. These teams are already working together.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 12:54:47 AM
If the letters were about the questioning there should be the evidence accompanying it. SY would not just blindly point their fingers at someone.

That's right. Must have some foundation.

And I agree with your point about the Ocean Club. They have managed to keep out of the limelight so far, but if these burglaries are found to be linked to the disappearance - even if only peripherally - it's going to reflect very badly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 12:55:22 AM
It is not the same. These teams are already working together.

So why do they want a joint investigation then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 01:02:32 AM
I think it is the same,Vixte. There are some British police with the Portuguese investigation I believe, but they can't deal with anything the police in London are working on: that can only be done through the letter of request process.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:03:13 AM
So why do they want a joint investigation then?

To not to hide from each other their findings. It is not the football game or a competition whose dad is stronger.. @)(++(*

IMO the announcement on the end 'the joint teams of UK and PT polices have discovered... xyz' would sound much better in the eyes of the world..

And also it would give a good message to the criminals!

Police teams competing who's gonna solve it faster or better is a great playground for criminals.. and in these cases only the criminals win.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:07:26 AM
I think it is the same,Vixte. There are some British police with the Portuguese investigation I believe, but they can't deal with anything the police in London are working on: that can only be done through the letter of request process.
Imagine if in America the police forces between the California and Nebraska are in this kind of a 'working together while wearing white gloves' situation during a criminal investigation.. how good that would be for US criminals  @)(++(* @)(++(*

I think this setup in EU is a heaven for EU criminals.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 01:14:36 AM
To not to hide from each other their findings. It is not the football game or a competition whose dad is stronger.. @)(++(*

IMO the announcement on the end 'the joint teams of UK and PT polices have discovered... xyz' would sound much better in the eyes of the world..

And also it would give a good message to the criminals!

Police teams competing who's gonna solve it faster or better is a great playground for criminals.. and in these cases only the criminals win.

That would sound wonderful, wouldn't it?

But what if something was discovered was something that reflected one 'side' in a better light than the other? Perhaps a show of unity is too ambitious here.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 10, 2014, 01:15:50 AM
could you provide a link to the article you are relying on for your information

Sunday Times article as requested.

Quote from: The Sunday Times
The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2794.msg115750#msg115750
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 10, 2014, 01:16:58 AM
Probably irrelevant, but while we are talking on things omitted from statements, how come in statements to PJ all OC employees all gave their actual addresses, but a proportion of statements to PJ by other companys employees have in address box at top of statement only the vague address "accomodation provided by employer" why not put the real address down?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 01:20:55 AM
Imagine if in America the police forces between the California and Nebraska are in this kind of a 'working together while wearing white gloves' situation during a criminal investigation.. how good that would be for US criminals  @)(++(* @)(++(*

I think this setup in EU is a heaven for EU criminals.

Well that's it. If there was substantial evidence against the subjects of the letters of request the Portuguese police presumably would have moved against them already (via Interpol or Europol or however they do it in cases of emergency). They do in drugs cases,or murder, or terrorism, and certainly would do in cases of kidnapping... if there was a need for urgency and sufficient evidence.

European police forces acted in 2007 on behalf of the Portuguese without waiting for letters of request didn't they. That must have been done via Europol or Interpol.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 01:21:25 AM
To not to hide from each other their findings. It is not the football game or a competition whose dad is stronger.. @)(++(*

IMO the announcement on the end 'the joint teams of UK and PT polices have discovered... xyz' would sound much better in the eyes of the world..

And also it would give a good message to the criminals!

Police teams competing who's gonna solve it faster or better is a great playground for criminals.. and in these cases only the criminals win.

Another thought, VIXTE (Probably not a new one)..

If, for the sake of argument, Scotland Yard do come up with a lot of new information and make a lot of progress, that is going to make the original investigation look inadequate. SY coming up with a breakthrough seven or eight years later, when the PJ could not solve the crime at the time, would be embarrassing.

There is an innate tension in this co-operation situation, however healthy it may be in parts.

Another reason no  to use the press to interfere, Lyall -no?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 01:31:01 AM
Another thought, VIXTE (Probably not a new one)..

If, for the sake of argument, Scotland Yard do come up with a lot of new information and make a lot of progress, that is going to make the original investigation look inadequate. SY coming up with a breakthrough seven or eight years later, when the PJ could not solve the crime at the time, would be embarrassing.

There is an innate tension in this co-operation situation, however healthy it may be in parts.

Another reason no  to use the press to interfere, Lyall -no?

Could be, SH. But the Portuguese have to comply with the letters of request, just as the British had to in 2008.

But I doubt the Met have made much progress personally, if any.

Sorry to be cynical 8)-))) You know I think the truth of the case lies in a different direction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 01:36:25 AM
Could be, SH. But the Portuguese have to comply with the letters of request, just as the British had to in 2008.

But I doubt the Met have made much progress personally, if any.

Sorry to be cynical 8)-))) You know I think the truth of the case lies in a different direction.

  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 01:42:59 AM
8**8:/: But none of us knows for certain. We could still be here speculating in another seven years.

Unless James Murray solves the case for us 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:43:22 AM
Another thought, VIXTE (Probably not a new one)..

If, for the sake of argument, Scotland Yard do come up with a lot of new information and make a lot of progress, that is going to make the original investigation look inadequate. SY coming up with a breakthrough seven or eight years later, when the PJ could not solve the crime at the time, would be embarrassing.

There is an innate tension in this co-operation situation, however healthy it may be in parts.

Another reason no  to use the press to interfere, Lyall -no?

This is why I in this game support this Helena lady  @)(++(*
Let's see a woman among all these macho men.. finding Madeleine first.  @)(++(*

Just joking .. and this matter is serious.. I think it is really god for Madeleine that now everyone is looking for the solution and they are like the gold diggers at the moment.

I imagine this action is giving the people responsible for Madeleine's disappearance a real nightmare!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:45:05 AM
You know I think the truth of the case lies in a different direction.


I was just thinking the same. I thought the truth might be right in front of their eyes and they are not seeing it..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 02:03:53 AM
This is why I in this game support this Helena lady  @)(++(*
Let's see a woman among all these macho men.. finding Madeleine first.  @)(++(*

Just joking .. and this matter is serious.. I think it is really god for Madeleine that now everyone is looking for the solution and they are like the gold diggers at the moment.

I imagine this action is giving the people responsible for Madeleine's disappearance a real nightmare!

 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 02:08:43 AM

I was just thinking the same. I thought the truth might be right in front of their eyes and they are not seeing it..

Could be, Vixte. There could be something everyone has missed. Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Someone might approach the case in a new way one day and surprise us.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 02:11:19 AM
Could be, Vixte. There could be something everyone has missed. Truth is often stranger than fiction.

Someone might approach the case in a new way one day and surprise us.

I often wonder this too, Lyall. Someone could come up with something completely unrelated to anything we know already.

That's why I believe we can't be too dogmatic. We could all easily be barking up the wrong tree.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 10, 2014, 02:30:51 AM
You're right. Moderation in all things, especially dogmatism 8(>((

(and not only for legal reasons!)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 10, 2014, 08:24:02 AM
This is why I in this game support this Helena lady  @)(++(*
Let's see a woman among all these macho men.. finding Madeleine first.  @)(++(*

Just joking .. and this matter is serious.. I think it is really god for Madeleine that now everyone is looking for the solution and they are like the gold diggers at the moment.

I imagine this action is giving the people responsible for Madeleine's disappearance a real nightmare!

I imagine we would all echo that sentiment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 10, 2014, 08:30:42 AM
From beginning walks for press were PR managed.

Well of course they were.  Otherwise the McCanns would never have been able to leave their apartment with scores of reporters - starved for information from the PJ - permanently lying in wait for them.   It's obvious that some kind of mutual arrangement/agreement would be necessary - especially at the beginning.


 




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on February 10, 2014, 09:16:28 AM
Could be, SH. But the Portuguese have to comply with the letters of request, just as the British had to in 2008.

But I doubt the Met have made much progress personally, if any.

Sorry to be cynical 8)-))) You know I think the truth of the case lies in a different direction.

It is up to the judge to decide whether to comply or not with the letters of request and if the requests are not in accordance with Portuguese law, they can be refused. Compliance is not automatic. IIRC, the Portuguese made requests to the UK authorities asking for information on the parents, in the early days of the investigation, and never received any replies.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 10, 2014, 09:33:08 AM
Another thought, VIXTE (Probably not a new one)..

If, for the sake of argument, Scotland Yard do come up with a lot of new information and make a lot of progress, that is going to make the original investigation look inadequate. SY coming up with a breakthrough seven or eight years later, when the PJ could not solve the crime at the time, would be embarrassing.

There is an innate tension in this co-operation situation, however healthy it may be in parts.

Another reason not  to use the press to interfere, Lyall -no?

I agree SH - IMO the McCanns will be increasingly concerned that their plea to the press for responsible reporting seems to have been virtually ignored -  despite all the work SY have put in to build bridges and to have a good relationship with the Portuguese police.

It's a very fragile situation IMO  - and the press could ruin all that.













 





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 10, 2014, 09:40:45 AM
Cooperation is a two way street and it seems when the Portuguese authorities requested it at the start from Leicestershire Police, they didn't get it.

Beware what you sow.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 10, 2014, 10:06:21 AM
Cooperation is a two way street and it seems when the Portuguese authorities requested it at the start from Leicestershire Police, they didn't get it.

Beware what you sow.

When the UK police arrived the first thing Amaral did was have them tailed - demanding that their every move be reported back to him.     That doesn't sound like someone who welcomed the assistance offered- or was in a mood to co-operate.    IMO a UK police presence was the last thing he wanted.

 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 10, 2014, 10:09:04 AM
I have just been catching up on last nights traffic.
Within the EU, member states police forces are supposed to cooperate but how that is effected will depend on each member states legal processes.
Europol is an organisation that is intended to facilitate cooperation between the member states enforcement agencies on "serious crime" and terrorism. It is not a force in its own right.
Interpol facilitates cooperation between police forces worldwide on a wide range of topics.
Do we have any evidence to suggest that The Met and PJ are NOT cooperating in the letter/spirit intended by EU rules?
For my money both The Met and PJ need to establish a datum (I am sure they both have). That datum being the last time Madeleine McCann was seen alive corroborated by a witness who was not one of T9. Everything else will flow from that.
The crime may or may not be solved. There are plenty of crimes in The UK, murders included that remain unsolved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 10, 2014, 10:34:59 AM
When the UK police arrived the first thing Amaral did was have them tailed - demanding that their every move be reported back to him.     That doesn't sound like someone who welcomed the assistance offered- or was in a mood to co-operate.    IMO a UK police presence was the last thing he wanted.

Where did you read this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 10, 2014, 11:55:53 AM
Where did you read this?

His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 10, 2014, 01:15:11 PM
His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.


Forgetting about any emotive terms that may or may not be implied or inferred I find the stance of the PJ perfectly reasonable. Foreign police are on my soil taking an interest in my investigation and supposed to be behaving in accordance with EU guidelines. I would be all over them like a cheap suit just in case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:22:46 PM
His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.


This is crazy. Gestapo like. No wonder the creche and OC staff and the rest wasn't investigated.. He was busy investigating the foreign police forces  @)(++(* who he presumed would cover up a possible murder and  hide it from a hero like him..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:27:17 PM
Forgetting about any emotive terms that may or may not be implied or inferred I find the stance of the PJ perfectly reasonable. Foreign police are on my soil taking an interest in my investigation and supposed to be behaving in accordance with EU guidelines. I would be all over them like a cheap suit just in case.
Well, I would instead try to organise the maximum level of the cooperation. Use their brains and resources in a most positive way.
Unless I am afraid they might discover things I don't want them to know.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 10, 2014, 01:44:54 PM
This is crazy. Gestapo like. No wonder the creche and OC staff and the rest wasn't investigated.. He was busy investigating the foreign police forces  @)(++(* who he presumed would cover up a possible murder and  hide it from a hero like him..

...............and what would have happened in the reverse situation ?

Do you seriously believe that Uk police would not watch counterparts from another country if they investigated over here ?

Get real.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 01:58:17 PM
...............and what would have happened in the reverse situation ?

Do you seriously believe that Uk police would not watch counterparts from another country if they investigated over here ?

Get real.

I rather see it as a conflict between individual policing styles. It is an individual choice, i.e. it is not a policy of PJ.or SY or whoever.
If there was another policeman instead of Amaral, he might have decided different.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 10, 2014, 02:02:48 PM
...............and what would have happened in the reverse situation ?

Do you seriously believe that Uk police would not watch counterparts from another country if they investigated over here ?

Get real.

They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 10, 2014, 02:19:15 PM
They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.

You assume the PJ failed.

You do not know that for certain.

As to the relative success rates in crime solving, that would be an interesting comparison to say the least.

Evidence can only be found if it exists and if there is none for abduction ..............................

As to egg on the faces, what do we have to show for several million pounds of UK taxpayers money so far ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 10, 2014, 02:22:47 PM
They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.


I think in this instance, Sherlock, the reference is to "early doors" when the Leicestershire Police arrived on the scene. Regardless of how it is presented in a book I would imagine there was a requirement for a local policeman to be present as LP would have no authority in their own right. cf. "It was a requirement that we should provide an officer to accompany our foreign colleagues while they were in our country" and " I ordered one of my gang to stick to the foreign rozzer like s**t to a blanket and report back to me everything he done". Same story different way of telling it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 10, 2014, 06:16:41 PM
I rather see it as a conflict between individual policing styles. It is an individual choice, i.e. it is not a policy of PJ.or SY or whoever.
If there was another policeman instead of Amaral, he might have decided different.

Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 10, 2014, 06:19:06 PM
Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

A very good post Benice..he was "watching the detectives" instead of watching the suspects...what a brilliant policeman
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 10, 2014, 06:35:32 PM
Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

That is really strange.. Seems from the beginning the concentration was on some strange competition with SY.
Was it the inferiority complex that ruled this case?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 10, 2014, 06:38:35 PM
Forgetting about any emotive terms that may or may not be implied or inferred I find the stance of the PJ perfectly reasonable. Foreign police are on my soil taking an interest in my investigation and supposed to be behaving in accordance with EU guidelines. I would be all over them like a cheap suit just in case.

Quite possibly, but the original argument was that the LP were totally involved in everything that was happening. This may not have been the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 10, 2014, 06:57:33 PM
Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.


What stopped him from tailing the McCanns or the T7 right at the beginning? If he needed an official order, he could have asked the magistrate for one. I haven't noticed any correspondence to that effect.

I would have thought that tailing an LP officer could have just involved someone "accompanying" him to "assist".


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 10, 2014, 07:13:13 PM
They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.

Yes, of course, it's delicate, but it needn't have been. If the assistance offered at the start had been fully accepted, I see no reason why the presence of LP officers couldn't have been passed off as welcome help in a huge investigation. Countries regularly request and offer assistance in natural catastrophes, for example. Even within a country, extra manpower or expertise can be requested in unusual / overwhelming circumstances to lend a hand. There was nothing to be ashamed about, it happens all the time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 10, 2014, 07:49:33 PM
where ?

I've no idea. I was commenting on this post of yours

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
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Quote from: Carana on Today at 07:01:37 PM

    That would seem to be your opinion. I haven't the faintest idea what you're basing that on. Could you find the page in the files that proves that Kate opened the shutters?


An opinion yes, and the only confirmed fingerprints are kate mccanns,and NO other corroborative evidence anyone else opened the shutters.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on February 10, 2014, 08:16:32 PM
A very good post Benice..he was "watching the detectives" instead of watching the suspects...what a brilliant policeman

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 10, 2014, 08:26:45 PM
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They have to blame Amaral because they have no where else to go but the Mccanns, and that they won't face up to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on February 10, 2014, 10:50:39 PM
The McCann have provided the business of the century to the UK Media.
Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

Round and round goes the merry-go-round of the McCann machine lies.

From jemmied shutters and forced door, to opened back doors and exit by the window, from arranged abduction to burglaries gone wrong,...what else are the churnalists going to appeal to feed the McCann string of stories?!

The sad thing is that 3 prime ministers allowed themselves to be involved and so, to save face, the truth will never be revealed.

It is just a question of time until the wash is complete - maybe a question of negotiation between the 2 countries.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 10, 2014, 10:55:52 PM
The McCann have provided the business of the century to the UK Media.
Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

Round and round goes the merry-go-round of the McCann machine lies.

From jemmied shutters and forced door, to opened back doors and exit by the window, from arranged abduction to burglaries gone wrong,...what else are the churnalists going to appeal to feed the McCann string of stories?!

The sad thing is that 3 prime ministers allowed themselves to be involved and so, to save face, the truth will never be revealed.

It is just a question of time until the wash is complete - maybe a question of negotiation between the 2 countries.

personally I don't see how either country could do any "whitewash" and also don't forget the Metropolitan Police's  reputation is on the line here which is a more serious matter than any stupid prime ministers! Diplomats or what have you
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 10, 2014, 11:20:38 PM
His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.


Many thanks!
Sorry for late  reply too, just catching up

So one man tailed  (for reasons known only to them) not a whole police team as suggested...okey dokey, cheers

Now, who was it that had the Mccnns tailed? I seem to remember the British security services. Gosh, unless you live in these worlds you just don't know do you what things are done for! All you have are laymans opinions
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 11, 2014, 03:15:06 AM
Many thanks!
Sorry for late  reply too, just catching up

So one man tailed  (for reasons known only to them) not a whole police team as suggested...okey dokey, cheers

Now, who was it that had the Mccnns tailed? I seem to remember the British security services. Gosh, unless you live in these worlds you just don't know do you what things are done for! All you have are laymans opinions

I find it difficult to believe that one UK policeman who couldn't speak the language and had no knowledge of the area would be travelling alone.  I believe it was Bob Small who Amaral was talking about.    IIRC one of the FLOs could speak fluent Portuguese.  Maybe he accompanied him.

If you don't find the fact that Amaral's first reaction to tail the UK police was in any way unusual then fair enough.     Personally I think it speaks volumes about him.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 11, 2014, 10:40:37 AM
I find it difficult to believe that one UK policeman who couldn't speak the language and had no knowledge of the area would be travelling alone.  I believe it was Bob Small who Amaral was talking about.    IIRC one of the FLOs could speak fluent Portuguese.  Maybe he accompanied him.

If you don't find the fact that Amaral's first reaction to tail the UK police was in any way unusual then fair enough.     Personally I think it speaks volumes about him.

Well you would wouldn't you, no surprises here Benice. Police all over the world work in various ways for various reasons and in various circumstances, without being privy to all that, anything you think ir say is just your personal opinion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 11, 2014, 01:11:51 PM
The McCann have provided the business of the century to the UK Media.
Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

Round and round goes the merry-go-round of the McCann machine lies.

From jemmied shutters and forced door, to opened back doors and exit by the window, from arranged abduction to burglaries gone wrong,...what else are the churnalists going to appeal to feed the McCann string of stories?!

The sad thing is that 3 prime ministers allowed themselves to be involved and so, to save face, the truth will never be revealed.

It is just a question of time until the wash is complete - maybe a question of negotiation between the 2 countries.

I'd agree with you on the phrase that I underlined: Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

The disappearance of this little girl was tabloid manna for the UK and PT, primarily, but also for every other tabloid across the world, which simply copied what the rest of the press was saying.

Why apparently intelligent people continue to believe tabloids (in written or matinée show form) is beyond me.

ETA: There can sometimes be a detail that may be true, but sifting the wheat from the chaff isn't always easy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 11, 2014, 05:08:41 PM
You assume the PJ failed.

You do not know that for certain.

As to the relative success rates in crime solving, that would be an interesting comparison to say the least.

Evidence can only be found if it exists and if there is none for abduction ..............................

As to egg on the faces, what do we have to show for several million pounds of UK taxpayers money so far ?

When I say that things 'failed' in Portugal , (not a good choice of word I admit) I really meant that the investigation failed in producing results, i.e. did not get to the bottom of things. The case was closed, and no formal conclusions were made.

As for the financial costs of the current investigation, I don't think it's possible to judge whether that money has been well spent until the investigation is concluded.Then we can take stock, and discuss whether the result was worth the money. Until then, it is meaningless to say that however many million pounds is a lot or a little.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 11, 2014, 05:09:40 PM
Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

A magnificent insight.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 11, 2014, 05:30:02 PM
When I say that things 'failed' in Portugal , (not a good choice of word I admit) I really meant that the investigation failed in producing results, i.e. did not get to the bottom of things. The case was closed, and no formal conclusions were made.

As for the financial costs of the current investigation, I don't think it's possible to judge whether that money has been well spent until the investigation is concluded.Then we can take stock, and discuss whether the result was worth the money. Until then, it is meaningless to say that however many million pounds is a lot or a little.

Many millions of pounds is definitely a lot. Whether it will be considered good value is yet to be determined.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 11, 2014, 06:03:18 PM
Many millions of pounds is definitely a lot. Whether it will be considered good value is yet to be determined.

Yes, that's putting it in a better way, jassi.

With my optimistic hat on,  if SY do make significant progress, finding out a lot more about what happened and perhaps even cracking the case, then we will say that it has been well worth the money to get answers and bring justice.

Huge amounts of public money are spent within the justice system - prison costs for example are absolutely  enormous - and we consider this, overall, a reasonable expenditure.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 11, 2014, 06:26:03 PM
What is the task set for Operation Grange?  Is it to find Madeleine McCann or those who harmed her whoever they may be?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 11, 2014, 06:28:25 PM
Yes, that's putting it in a better way, jassi.

With my optimistic hat on,  if SY do make significant progress, finding out a lot more about what happened and perhaps even cracking the case, then we will say that it has been well worth the money to get answers and bring justice.

Huge amounts of public money are spent within the justice system - prison costs for example are absolutely  enormous - and we consider this, overall, a reasonable expenditure.

Yes, though I think a more realistic comparison would be the cost of an average (if there is such a thing) murder or missing person investigation, such as Claudia Lawrence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 11, 2014, 06:43:46 PM
What is the task set for Operation Grange?  Is it to find Madeleine McCann or those who harmed her whoever they may be?


DCI Redwood has not specified.

If he was too specific with regard to setting goals the investigation could go on forever.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 11, 2014, 06:44:12 PM
What is the task set for Operation Grange?  Is it to find Madeleine McCann or those who harmed her whoever they may be?

I would have thought it was to look at all the evidence in the case and see where it leads...where ever that may be...I don't think they would have excluded the parents unless there were very good grounds..ie no evidence...which is what the archiving report said
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 11, 2014, 08:05:49 PM
What is the task set for Operation Grange?  Is it to find Madeleine McCann or those who harmed her whoever they may be?

A mix of review and investigation it seems

Here are some links:

General
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

Remit
http://content.met.police.uk/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Type&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fmsword&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3D%22228%2F288%2FOp+Grange+Remit.doc%22&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1283539236131&ssbinary=true

Aug 2012 update
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Detectives-believe-there-is-a-possibility-that-Madeleine-McCann-is-still-alive/1400008147005/1257246745756

(July 2013 UK Met investigation formally opened)

Oct 2013 update
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-Madeleine-McCann/1400020366124/1257246745756

Oct 2013 post Crimewatch update
http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1257246745782
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 11, 2014, 08:16:46 PM
A mix of review and investigation it seems

Here are some links:

General
http://content.met.police.uk/Article/Operation-Grange/1400005508791/35434

Remit
http://content.met.police.uk/cs/Satellite?blobcol=urldata&blobheadername1=Content-Type&blobheadername2=Content-Disposition&blobheadervalue1=application%2Fmsword&blobheadervalue2=inline%3B+filename%3D%22228%2F288%2FOp+Grange+Remit.doc%22&blobkey=id&blobtable=MungoBlobs&blobwhere=1283539236131&ssbinary=true

Aug 2012 update
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Detectives-believe-there-is-a-possibility-that-Madeleine-McCann-is-still-alive/1400008147005/1257246745756

(July 2013 UK Met investigation formally opened)

Oct 2013 update
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Update-on-the-investigation-into-the-disappearance-of-Madeleine-McCann/1400020366124/1257246745756

Oct 2013 post Crimewatch update
http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1257246745782

hadn't seen these before...the reports of burglaries in block 5, april 07 ...where entry was via the window seems very significant
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 11, 2014, 10:04:55 PM
What is the task set for Operation Grange?  Is it to find Madeleine McCann or those who harmed her whoever they may be?

http://content.met.police.uk/Appeal/Madeleine-McCann-Appeal--October-2013/1400020463601/1257246745782

see this one article

Met are investigating the "abduction" and further down

Under Reward section, 20 k is offered for info leading to discovery and prosecution of person(s) for the "abduction"

Two points
1. - It seems they have decided it was an abduction or are just using the term in a general reference way, which might be the case as, how could they "know" it definitely was?
2. - Seems specific that they are looking for the "abductor"(s) here

But in various earlier appeals have asked for sightings too,(in case she was still alive, as they working on her not being as well) )  ie by releasing that new progressed age photo of Madeleine aged 9

So I guess your question was the answer after all
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 11, 2014, 11:05:28 PM
Thanks for the links. They are doing a thorough job so they will eliminate all other leads first but they can't ignore the one that's left.

A murder team within the Homicide and Serious Crime Command was tasked to conduct the review and is led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood acting to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell and Commander Simon Foy.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 11, 2014, 11:36:46 PM
Thanks for the links. They are doing a thorough job so they will eliminate all other leads first but they can't ignore the one that's left.

A murder team within the Homicide and Serious Crime Command was tasked to conduct the review and is led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood acting to Detective Chief Superintendent Hamish Campbell and Commander Simon Foy.

You're welcome. The Mets site is generally overlooked but partly because the Updates are so sparse

I think in missing young children cases, the UK police from the few cases I have read about, tend to switch the investigation to homicide pretty quickly. Once parental abduction is ruled out and when a child is not found quickly  it normally has sinister connotations! Those are the grim facts. The "loving couple"  illegally getting her abducted is many millions to one. Parental involvement statistics are astronomically lower than that. Child trafficking for any reason of that age and from home and in that region quite negligible. JMIO

I also agree with you they are being as meticulous as they can be
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 12, 2014, 01:46:14 AM
You're welcome. The Mets site is generally overlooked but partly because the Updates are so sparse

I think in missing young children cases, the UK police from the few cases I have read about, tend to switch the investigation to homicide pretty quickly. Once parental abduction is ruled out and when a child is not found quickly  it normally has sinister connotations! Those are the grim facts. The "loving couple"  illegally getting her abducted is many millions to one. Parental involvement statistics are astronomically lower than that. Child trafficking for any reason of that age and from home and in that region quite negligible. JMIO

I also agree with you they are being as meticulous as they can be

Sadly I have to agree with you on all of that. The idea of Madeleine being kept alive for anything other than nefarious purposes stretches credibility.

There is no such thing as a loving family that snatches children, robs them of their identity and tortures the parents - complete
contradiction in terms.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 12, 2014, 05:00:32 AM

Some unbalanced people feel they have a right to a child.  And with all of the rubbish spouted about The McCanns they probably feel as though they have rescued Madeleine.
If this is the case then there is no reasons for why they should ill treat her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 12, 2014, 07:37:11 AM
Some unbalanced people feel they have a right to a child.  And with all of the rubbish spouted about The McCanns they probably feel as though they have rescued Madeleine.
If this is the case then there is no reasons for why they should ill treat her.

I remember seeing the age progression photo of Madeleine,

She had a nice gingham dress on, a flower in her hair, & a hair band, she had a sort of half smile on her face & I just remember thinking...... someone is doing a really good job of looking after her, much better than her parents did anyway.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 12, 2014, 09:33:43 AM
I remember seeing the age progression photo of Madeleine,

She had a nice gingham dress on, a flower in her hair, & a hair band, she had a sort of half smile on her face & I just remember thinking...... someone is doing a really good job of looking after her, much better than her parents did anyway.
So you saw an age progression picture of a missing child ... just a computer image and thought that. 

What a nasty mind you have Wspam ... can you put the boot in any deeper?

Have you seen the loving family videos ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 12, 2014, 09:54:50 AM
So you saw an age progression picture of a missing child ... just a computer image and thought that. 

What a nasty mind you have Wspam ... can you put the boot in any deeper?

Have you seen the loving family videos ?

Videos are a creation, no more, no less.

They can be edited to show what you wish, and your vision is clearly coloured by adoration of the Mccanns.

The question is why, when they clearly placed their children unnecessary danger ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 12, 2014, 11:19:06 AM
There is no ground for any suggestion that Madeleine was not happy within her family environment, prior to her abduction.

Suggesting that someone else would look after her better than her parents is  just very sick.

I suggest that post to be removed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 12, 2014, 11:24:33 AM
Sadly I have to agree with you on all of that. The idea of Madeleine being kept alive for anything other than nefarious purposes stretches credibility.

There is no such thing as a loving family that snatches children, robs them of their identity and tortures the parents - complete
contradiction in terms.

I don't agree with this. There is no way to predict what human mind can make up..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 12, 2014, 12:58:54 PM
Ah the very old chestnut, "must be jealous of the mccanns"....yawn


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 12, 2014, 01:47:57 PM
IMO your thinking is not normal.

There is a reason for that,  I don't do normal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 12, 2014, 10:14:13 PM
Sadly I have to agree with you on all of that. The idea of Madeleine being kept alive for anything other than nefarious purposes stretches credibility.

There is no such thing as a loving family that snatches children, robs them of their identity and tortures the parents - complete
contradiction in terms.

Sorry, I missed this post.

I totally agree and incidentally who has ever stolen a near four yr old for this purpose, there are  extremely rare cases of babies being stolen from hospital by women who have lost a chlld at birth or couldnt conceive, and went to a desperate measure, and in that case the baby would know no different, but four yr olds from their beds?  posters are welcome to quote stories
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 12, 2014, 10:27:15 PM
Sorry, I missed this post.

I totally agree and incidentally who has ever stolen a near four yr old for this purpose, there are  extremely rare cases of babies being stolen from hospital by women who have lost a chlld at birth or couldnt conceive, and went to a desperate measure, and in that case the baby would know no different, but four yr olds from their beds?  posters are welcome to quote stories

An example

March 16, 2007
Police recover stolen baby

A NEWBORN baby snatched from a hospital maternity unit in the north of Portugal more than a year ago has been found safe and well.Baby Andreia was just two-days-old when she was stolen from Hospital Padre Américo/Vale do Sousa, in Penafiel near Porto in February 2006.The case shocked the nation and, as a result, tighter security measures were introduced at maternity units across the country. The child was recovered on Monday this week after police in Valongo, 40km from Penafiel, received a tip-off from the sister of the abductor’s boyfriend. Thirty-seven-year-old Alice Ferreira is reported to have confessed to the crime.Suspicions were apparently raised when it appeared Ferreira did not possess the necessary registration papers to arrange the baptism wished for by the family.The woman became more convinced something was not right after she saw pictures of the alleged abductor on the internet, caught on hospital security cameras, which bore a striking similarity to her brother’s girlfriend.JoanaFor 13 months, the baby, who was known by the name of Joana, lived in Valongo with Alice Ferreira, her partner and three children from the couple’s previous relationships.On Monday, when police visited the home, Ferreira admitted she was not the mother of Andreia and told police she had pretended to be pregnant in order to “trap her boyfriend into staying with her” as “he was her great passion”.She got away with the scheme because her boyfriend, an EDP worker, was constantly away due to the nature of his work.After nine months of supposedly being pregnant, she allegedly visited the Penafiel hospital and snatched Andreia who had been in a nurses’ area.Ferreira’s partner is said to be deeply shocked and upset at finding out that the baby is not his.The baby is currently with Social Services, pending the results of DNA tests, but is expected to be returned to Isaura and Albino Pinto, parents of the little girl snatched from Penafiel hospital on February 17, last year.Alice Ferreira was due in court for an initial hearing this week and could face up to 10 years in prison.Do you have a view on this story? Email: editor@portugalresident.com

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 12, 2014, 10:33:22 PM
Thank you vixte, though that was not was an example of what I was asking for and already said these cases do happen..including this example, pretending for entrapment, ie babies stolen from a hospital for their own, and not four year olds from family beds

The film (based in true story) Baby Snatcher 1992 was an example

Never seen any with a four yr old

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Actually never heard of any case where a child ( not a baby) was stolen from bed for adoption, with or without the  stranger perpetrator found

Might  have missed it though

Edited for clarity

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 12, 2014, 11:08:13 PM
example of a stolen child, found after many years

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24526210
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 12, 2014, 11:14:55 PM
example of a stolen child, found after many years

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-24526210

Ah technically so, but out of context, chalk and cheese

So was Madeleine stolen for a Chinese family as thousands are apparently there all the time because of their one child policy laws?


 >@@(*&)

and was this little chap stolen from his bed at night whilst on holiday? Leave  you to muse over it. Weren't you the one saying a short while ago that loads of kids get trafficked for organs too? Even the articles you submitted showed just ONE?

 >@@(*&)

Edited
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 12, 2014, 11:21:45 PM
Ah technically so, but out of context, chalk and cheese

So was Madeleine stolen for a Chinese family as thousands are apparently there all the time because of their one child policy laws?


 >@@(*&)

and was this little chap stolen from his bed at night whilst on holiday? Leave  you to muse over it.

The statistics of stolen girls of Madeleine's age are not looking good but there is always a chance of a rare case.
Whatever reason was for stealing Madeleine, she deserves to be found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappings

And to me personally this is above any political or national interest.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 12, 2014, 11:31:18 PM

It only takes one to make a statistic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 12, 2014, 11:32:51 PM
The statistics of stolen girls of Madeleine's age are not looking good but there is always a chance of a rare case.
Whatever reason was for stealing Madeleine, she deserves to be found.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kidnappings

And to me personally this is above any political or national interest.

I agree Vixte.  This claim that because of 'statistics' Madeleine could not have been abducted is just plain daft.  If you follow that line of thought then Ben Needham could not have been abducted - because no British child of his age had been abducted from Kos before. 

Rare means rare - not NEVER.    And there is a first time for everything.

 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 12, 2014, 11:33:58 PM
The statistics of stolen girls of Madeleine's age are not looking good but there is always a chance of a rare case.
Whatever reason was for stealing Madeleine, she deserves to be found.

And to me personally this is above any political or national interest.

Yes, IF (as there is no evidence or proof she was stolen) she was, yes,if she wasn't, still, yes, so agree, goodnight
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 12, 2014, 11:42:15 PM
I agree Vixte.  This claim that because of 'statistics' Madeleine could not have been abducted is just plain daft.  If you follow that line of thought then Ben Needham could not have been abducted - because no British child of his age had been abducted from Kos before. 

Rare means rare - not NEVER.    And there is a first time for everything.

 

You are protesting too much, and  using silly watered down analogies, no one has said its impossible, nite to you too!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 13, 2014, 12:11:40 AM
You are protesting too much, and  using silly watered down analogies, no one has said its impossible, nite to you too!

Protesting too much?  I've made one post. 

If people are not saying that it is impossible that Madeleine was abducted - then why all the talk about statistics?  What are they saying they prove in her case?  It seems to me that stats are being used to dismiss any possibility of an abduction.   Quite clearly that is not the case - and Ben Needham's abduction is proof of that.

Nigh night.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 13, 2014, 12:24:10 AM

All I have been hearing for God knows how long is that Madeleine can't have been abducted because statistics say she can't, coupled with the fact that this particular type of abduction has never happened before.
No two child abductions are ever the same.  There are always variations.  So you could say, according to that barmy thinking that child abductions never happen because they are all one of a kind.  This is patently untrue.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 13, 2014, 02:01:58 AM
Spot on , you guys.

Of course statistics dont prove anything, they just show trends ... and not even that as Red has used them, because each abduction is different.

What about the little girl abducted from her bath in the UK, Red?  Where would she fit in your type of statistics?  I dont see any others from their bath with the family in the house, yet it happened. As we all know.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 13, 2014, 02:31:19 AM
Spot on , you guys.

Of course statistics dont prove anything, they just show trends ... and not even that as Red has used them, because each abduction is different.

What about the little girl abducted from her bath in the UK, Red?  Where would she fit in your type of statistics?  I dont see any others from their bath with the family in the house, yet it happened. As we all know.

Yes, statistics prove very little in the individual case, as is oft repeated.

Virtually everything to do with Madeleine's disappearance has been completely out of the ordinary and without precedent, yet it engages us all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 13, 2014, 07:55:31 AM
Spot on , you guys.

Of course statistics dont prove anything, they just show trends ... and not even that as Red has used them, because each abduction is different.

What about the little girl abducted from her bath in the UK, Red?  Where would she fit in your type of statistics?  I dont see any others from their bath with the family in the house, yet it happened. As we all know.

In police cases, statistics give the police the experience to identify the most probable culprits and the most likely sequence of events. As with all this, statistics don't provide proof or evidence, that must be gathered separately. All it does do is identify the initial most profitable areas of investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 13, 2014, 08:10:17 AM
Red...That's not what SY think


Blue... you keep saying this but have miserabley been able to come up with ANYTHING...neither has anyone else...again SY are not taking this line

SY have found diddly squat.

If they had Madeleine would have been 'found'.


' .......but have miserabley been able........ '

What does that drivel mean ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 13, 2014, 08:25:38 AM
SY have found diddly squat.

If they had Madeleine would have been 'found'.


' .......but have miserabley been able........ '

What does that drivel mean ?

SY are looking for an abductor...FACT...I know you are in denial but you cant change FACTS
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 13, 2014, 08:33:25 AM
SY are looking for an abductor...FACT...I know you are in denial but you cant change FACTS

They can look for a pink elephant with wings, but it doesn't mean an abductor(s) exist(s) in this case.

Meanwhile more taxpayers money down the drain with nothing to show for it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 13, 2014, 02:21:23 PM
Finally, confirmation that arrests are not imminent.

 http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tempo-of-madeleine-mccann-inquiry-moving-forwards-say-detectives-9126239.html

"Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt, who is overseeing the operation, said the Yard had sent a third international letter of request to Portuguese officials linked to their inquiries."

"Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese authorities to interview or arrest any suspects."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 02:35:26 PM
Good spot, jassi. So that ought to end the six weeks of hype.

(until the next hype that is)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 13, 2014, 02:37:24 PM
Finally, confirmation that arrests are not imminent.

 http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tempo-of-madeleine-mccann-inquiry-moving-forwards-say-detectives-9126239.html

"Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt, who is overseeing the operation, said the Yard had sent a third international letter of request to Portuguese officials linked to their inquiries."

"Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese authorities to interview or arrest any suspects."


The old double bluff.

Just letting the burglars think they are in the clear so they drop their guard & surface from the secret bunker.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 13, 2014, 02:48:06 PM

The old double bluff.

Just letting the burglars think they are in the clear so they drop their guard & surface from the secret bunker.

Ah, of course. Silly me   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 13, 2014, 03:36:44 PM
Finally, confirmation that arrests are not imminent.

 http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/tempo-of-madeleine-mccann-inquiry-moving-forwards-say-detectives-9126239.html

"Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt, who is overseeing the operation, said the Yard had sent a third international letter of request to Portuguese officials linked to their inquiries."

"Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese authorities to interview or arrest any suspects."

Thanks for that! Incredible. Seems the Sunday Express can instead track down people and interview them, publish pictures of ex employees at will and what not. Isnt that called perverting the course justice? Interfering in a police investigation?
Or something?

 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 03:44:03 PM
Thanks for that! Incredible. Seems the Sunday Express can instead track down people and interview them, publish pictures of ex employees at will and what not. Isnt that called perverting the course justice? Interfering in a police investigation?
Or something?

 >@@(*&)

Not if they're not bothered about it 8)-))) I still think the police encouraged the papers originally.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 13, 2014, 03:45:27 PM
Not if they're not bothered about it 8)-))) I still think the police encouraged the papers originally.

Well, if they did, they just look silly now denying the reports

 >@@(*&)

Unless they're  not bothered about it, lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 03:51:05 PM
Well, if they did, they just look silly now denying the reports

 >@@(*&)

Unless they're  not bothered about it, lol

The other papers probably won't bother mentioning Davenport's article, or what DAC Hewitt says.

When Davenport spoke to Hamish Campbell (article published the day he retired) the rest of the papers unashamedly spun what Campbell said didn't they: Campbell's 'persons of interest' became Suspects, and Suspects they have been ever since.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 13, 2014, 03:54:55 PM
The other papers probably won't bother mentioning Davenport's article, or what DAC Hewitt says.

When Davenport spoke to Hamish Campbell (article published the day he retired) the rest of the papers unashamedly spun what Campbell said didn't they: Campbell's 'persons of interest' became Suspects, and Suspects they have been ever since.

No, I meant if the police were encouraging the stories, as you say,  won't they look silly now?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 13, 2014, 03:57:45 PM
Another annoying and misleading article, which claims in its headline that the investigation is moving apace, but goes on to describe something quite different.

It's also important to note that Portuguese authorities seem in no rush to make arrests. They are at liberty to arrest people without letters of request or consultation with SY, yet do not appear to be close to doing so.

Well you need strong suspicion of a crime (in this case abduction of a child) and/or evidence to arrest someone, so probably  none has been found so far



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 13, 2014, 04:00:09 PM
No, I meant if the police were encouraging the stories, as you say,  won't they look silly now?

They would.

I still don't believe that SY and others are using the tabloid press to help them catch criminals. Would hope they have far more sophisticated and reliable techniques than that.

And as for the idea of creating a ring of fear around certain suspects, that could have dangerous, unpredictable, and counterproductive effects for all concerned. Not a strategy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 04:00:16 PM
No, I meant if the police were encouraging the stories, as you say,  won't they look silly now?

Maybe but only for a day? They've had six weeks of dramatic front page PR >@@(*&)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 13, 2014, 04:06:43 PM
Maybe but only for a day? They've had six weeks of dramatic front page PR >@@(*&)

Well, judging from some of the public's comments in the endless articles I'd say the PR wasn't that great

 @)(++(*

They would.

I still don't believe that SY and others are using the tabloid press to help them catch criminals. Would hope they have far more sophisticated and reliable techniques than that.

And as for the idea of creating a ring of fear around certain suspects, that could have dangerous, unpredictable, and counterproductive effects for all concerned. Not a strategy.

Tend to agree with this. the strategy is normally not to let on to suspects that they are such
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 13, 2014, 04:11:19 PM
Is that why the PJ were asked to find 'new evidence'  ?

Well they must already have found some new evidence, because they have officially reopened the case.

(They story was that that evidence was tractorman, but that's pretty hard to believe).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 04:12:15 PM
Well, judging from some of the public's comments in the endless articles I'd say the PR wasn't that great

 @)(++(*

Tend to agree with this. the strategy is normally not to let on to suspects that they are such

They've had six weeks of the news channels hyping imminent arrests too (Brunty included).

DAC Hewitt's comments won't be on the news will they. Most people will not hear them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 13, 2014, 04:18:06 PM
They've had six weeks of the news channels hyping imminent arrests too (Brunty included).

DAC Hewitt's comments won't be on the news will they. Most people will not hear them.

Shouldn't think so, particularly while the storms and floods dominate the news.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 13, 2014, 04:21:15 PM
Just want to thank Red for linking those Met Police updates.

The update from 25th April 2012, in connection with the release of the age-progressed picture of Madeleine, contains the following:

The release comes as detectives announce that as a result of evidence uncovered during the review they now believe there is a possibility Madeleine is still alive and are appealing for anyone who is able to provide direct information as to her whereabouts to contact the team.

http://content.met.police.uk/News/Detectives-believe-there-is-a-possibility-that-Madeleine-McCann-is-still-alive/1400008147005/1257246745756


Obviously there is no hint as to what that evidence may be or who may have uncovered it, but the evidence appears to have been there.

The phrase 'evidence uncovered' strongly implies that concrete information is involved, not merely that something has been ruled out. That would not be enough legally or otherwise to open an investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 10:57:20 PM
Tomorrow's Express front page is yet another masterpiece of inaccuracy and insult.

"British police... are stepping up pressure on their Portuguese counterparts"

8-)(--) Ok.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 13, 2014, 11:22:02 PM
yawn time again then


Cheers Lyall


 8((()*/

and gnite

Eta just seen the express front page, you can see it on sky news page/Fridays headlines, "police close in on three suspects"

 8-)(--)

Here we go again, rubbish garbage and more garbage





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 11:26:49 PM
8(0(* It is the Express though, so nobody takes it seriously.

Nite, Red.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 13, 2014, 11:29:17 PM
Oh, no.

It is terrible that the investigation is being trivialised in this way.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 13, 2014, 11:29:30 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/13/289161/default/v0/daily-express-1-329x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 14, 2014, 09:11:13 AM

Police chiefs link three burglars to Maddie disappearance

By Jerry Lawton/Published 14th February 2014

BRITISH detectives hunting Madeleine McCann have urged Portuguese police to catch three “prime suspect” burglars.

Scotland Yard officers want to quiz the trio after spending months probing the thieves’ mobile phone data.

It shows the raiders were close to the holiday apartment at Praia da Luz where Maddie, then three, was abducted in May 2007.

The burglary gang, who were operating in the Algarve resort in the days up to Madeleine’s disappearance, are now the main focus of the Scotland Yard investigation.

But the probe has been delayed by international red tape. Every time officers want to follow up a new lead they have to ask the Crown Prosecution Service to write to their Portuguese counterparts, who then pass the request to local police.

Yesterday it was revealed a third letter has been sent asking for ­further inquiries into the raiders who are still at large.

Met Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt told the Daily Star: “The investigative tempo is moving forward. Investigative activity is increasing.”

Last night Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, who is heading the UK hunt for Madeleine, was in Portugal meeting senior officers.

A spokesman for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry, 45, from Rothley, Leics, said sending the letters was a significant development.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/365400/Police-chiefs-link-three-burglars-to-2007-disappearance-of-young-Madeleine-McCann
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 14, 2014, 09:15:30 AM
'spurring PJ into action'

 @)(++(*

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/459701/Madeleine-McCann-Police-close-in-on-three-suspects-in-Portugal

Madeleine McCann: Police close in on three suspects in Portugal

BRITISH police are closing in on three burglars identified as prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By: Paul Jeeves

Published: Fri, February 14, 2014
 
British police are closing in on their goal and are spurring Portuguese police into action British police are closing in on their goal - and are spurring Portuguese police into action [PA]

They are stepping up pressure on their Portuguese counterparts to help gather evidence against the gang.

Detective Chief Insp­ector Andy Redwood, who is leading the UK hunt for Madeleine, was in Portugal last night discussing the next move with senior local officers.

So far the process has been caught up in red tape, causing frustrating delays. It was revealed yesterday that Scotland Yard have sent a third letter to Portugal asking police there to make further inquiries.

None of the three suspects has been arrested or even faced questioning yet. Yard officers spent months investigating mobile phone data which places them close to the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz where three-year-old Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.

But every time they want to follow up a new lead they have to ask the Crown Prosecution Service to write to their Portuguese counterparts, who then forward the request to local police.

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt revealed yesterday that the “tempo” of the Yard investigation was increasing. And he said further letters requesting more inquiries would now be fired off to Portugal “routinely” as the investigation gathers pace.

“We sent a further detailed letter of request which went out from the Crown Prosecution Service on Friday,” he said. “There have been three letters so far. This is the process we are working with.


“As we get information back from the request letters that have already gone out, that generates new activity. The letter of request is for us to ask the police to undertake a policing activity. It could be a range of things that could include interviewing somebody. This is part of an on-going process. They are now going to be going out routinely.

“I can’t go into the detail as they are formal legal documents that go from our Crown Prosecution Service to the prosecuting authorities in Portugal. But clearly the investigative tempo is moving forward.

“Nobody has been arrested. We have not asked for anyone to be arrested. So far no one has been interviewed as a witness. But we are progressing with the investigation and the work we are asking the Portuguese to undertake.

“We are still at the point of gathering evidence. Andy Redwood is over there again. There is a senior officer in the Portuguese police who is working with us. Andy goes regularly to meet him to ensure the work is undertaken the way we want. Investigative activity is increasing.’’

Mr Hewitt admitted the letter sending, which started in July, created a delay but he said it was a judicial process the force had to stick to. “At the moment we are not in a formal joint investigation in a legal sense,” he said. “We are working with the Portuguese. They are doing the inquiries on our behalf.”

Analysis of the three burglars’ mobiles showed they made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours that followed Madeleine’s disappearance.

Police believe the suspects, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out a previous raid in the resort, disturbing a child.

That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled. During their original investigation, Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which happened a few days before Madeleine vanished.

A spokesman for her parents Kate and Gerry McCann described the sending of the police letters as “a significant development”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 14, 2014, 09:25:04 AM

Madeleine McCann: Police close in on three suspects in Portugal

BRITISH police are closing in on three burglars identified as prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By: Paul Jeeves
Published: Fri, February 14, 2014

They are stepping up pressure on their Portuguese counterparts to help gather evidence against the gang.

Detective Chief Insp­ector Andy Redwood, who is leading the UK hunt for Madeleine, was in Portugal last night discussing the next move with senior local officers.

So far the process has been caught up in red tape, causing frustrating delays. It was revealed yesterday that Scotland Yard have sent a third letter to Portugal asking police there to make further inquiries.

None of the three suspects has been arrested or even faced questioning yet. Yard officers spent months investigating mobile phone data which places them close to the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz where three-year-old Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.

But every time they want to follow up a new lead they have to ask the Crown Prosecution Service to write to their Portuguese counterparts, who then forward the request to local police.

Metropolitan Police Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt revealed yesterday that the “tempo” of the Yard investigation was increasing. And he said further letters requesting more inquiries would now be fired off to Portugal “routinely” as the investigation gathers pace.

“We sent a further detailed letter of request which went out from the Crown Prosecution Service on Friday,” he said. “There have been three letters so far. This is the process we are working with.

“As we get information back from the request letters that have already gone out, that generates new activity. The letter of request is for us to ask the police to undertake a policing activity. It could be a range of things that could include interviewing somebody. This is part of an on-going process. They are now going to be going out routinely.

“I can’t go into the detail as they are formal legal documents that go from our Crown Prosecution Service to the prosecuting authorities in Portugal. But clearly the investigative tempo is moving forward.

“Nobody has been arrested. We have not asked for anyone to be arrested. So far no one has been interviewed as a witness. But we are progressing with the investigation and the work we are asking the Portuguese to undertake.

“We are still at the point of gathering evidence. Andy Redwood is over there again. There is a senior officer in the Portuguese police who is working with us. Andy goes regularly to meet him to ensure the work is undertaken the way we want. Investigative activity is increasing.’’

Mr Hewitt admitted the letter sending, which started in July, created a delay but he said it was a judicial process the force had to stick to. “At the moment we are not in a formal joint investigation in a legal sense,” he said. “We are working with the Portuguese. They are doing the inquiries on our behalf.”

Analysis of the three burglars’ mobiles showed they made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours that followed Madeleine’s disappearance.

Police believe the suspects, including at least one Portuguese man, had already carried out a previous raid in the resort, disturbing a child.

That child’s parents, who had been drinking outside the property, rushed inside to find the intruders had fled. During their original investigation, Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in, which happened a few days before Madeleine vanished.

A spokesman for her parents Kate and Gerry McCann described the sending of the police letters as “a significant development”.




http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/459701/Madeleine-McCann-Police-close-in-on-three-suspects-in-Portugal


...and we know how good the express is. 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 14, 2014, 09:52:40 AM

...and we know how good the express is. 8)--))
“We sent a further detailed letter of request which went out from the Crown Prosecution Service on Friday,” he said. “There have been three letters so far. This is the process we are working with.

“As we get information back from the request letters that have already gone out, that generates new activity. The letter of request is for us to ask the police to undertake a policing activity. It could be a range of things that could include interviewing somebody. This is part of an on-going process. They are now going to be going out routinely.

“I can’t go into the detail as they are formal legal documents that go from our Crown Prosecution Service to the prosecuting authorities in Portugal. But clearly the investigative tempo is moving forward.

“Nobody has been arrested. We have not asked for anyone to be arrested. So far no one has been interviewed as a witness. But we are progressing with the investigation and the work we are asking the Portuguese to undertake.

Is it the same three or are they propagating?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 15, 2014, 03:11:48 AM
If by some miracle Madeleine is still alive, these wild speculations and claims by the British Press are doing nothing more than causing her further danger.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 15, 2014, 03:19:38 AM
If by some miracle Madeleine is still alive, these wild speculations and claims by the British Press are doing nothing more than causing her further danger.

I agree with that John.  Personally I think the recent behaviour of the Press has been disgraceful and has shown no regard for Madeleine.     

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 15, 2014, 06:24:54 AM
If by some miracle Madeleine is still alive, these wild speculations and claims by the British Press are doing nothing more than causing her further danger.

EXACTLY.

Its like sending one of those planes out with a trailing banner......ATTENTION MADDY SNATCHER WE ARE COMING TO ARREST YOU..............

Sick of reading about it now, it serves no purpose just gets money for the newspapers as gullible people read it and believe it.

That poor child being used by greedy people for gain.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 15, 2014, 06:42:57 AM
I am at a loss to see how the Press Coverage of the case recently is anything other than business as usual for the red tops. Newspapers exist to attract readers and will milk any story; They have minimal responsibility to society or to the law. They also are not required to report the news in any particular manner that a group of people feels is wrong. This is the concept of a free press.
What specifically do people feel is wrong in Law that they are doing, and how could such behaviour possibly be curtailed without losing any semblance of a free press?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 15, 2014, 08:59:53 AM
So, you approve of the way the media misleads and intermingles facts and fantasy, so that to the gullible, it all appears to be true?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 15, 2014, 10:48:59 AM
I am at a loss to see how the Press Coverage of the case recently is anything other than business as usual for the red tops. Newspapers exist to attract readers and will milk any story; They have minimal responsibility to society or to the law. They also are not required to report the news in any particular manner that a group of people feels is wrong. This is the concept of a free press.
What specifically do people feel is wrong in Law that they are doing, and how could such behaviour possibly be curtailed without losing any semblance of a free press?


The press are doing nothing illegal. So we will come to the "legal versus moral argument". Do we really want to reach the point where everyone and everything is driven by a "Read the f*****g small print, sucker" ,or to be posh caveat emptor, culture? .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 15, 2014, 11:02:02 AM

It's another "Yer, But" situation.  But I have become very adept at reading the small print.  "Sources say", oh really.  If sources say then I automatically question it.  Some people don't, but then they are usually brainless, and their opinion doesn't matter, and is never going to get anyone convicted.

Should The Press be stopped from doing this?  I really don't know.  But I doubt that it is always illegal.  Where it matters is when others repeat it as fact.  This could well be Libel.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 15, 2014, 12:22:54 PM

The press are doing nothing illegal. So we will come to the "legal versus moral argument". Do we really want to reach the point where everyone and everything is driven by a "Read the f*****g small print, sucker" ,or to be posh caveat emptor, culture? .

We are already there
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 16, 2014, 07:20:05 PM
Correio da Manhã

Three English police officers were in the Algarve

English Pressure on the PJ for “Maddie” case

Scotland Yard sent a third letter of request in spite of the fact that the second letter has not yet arrived at the PJ.

15 February 2014, 19h51
By:Rui Pando Gomes


In the space of three weeks, the British investigators were in the Algarve twice for meetings described as "routine".

In spite of the fact that the PJ has still not complied with any of the inquiries requested in the second letter of request sent to the Portuguese authorities, within the scope of the investigation into the Maddie case, Scotland Yard has now announced that it will send a third legal request, with more inquiries of alleged suspects.

After another visit by the English pólice, for a routine meeting, the day before yesterday, as reported by CM, this new request for help is seen as a sign of “pressure” on the Portuguese pólice.

According to findings by CM, the second letter of request has still not officially arrived to the Faro PJ police officers.

“The English police can make a request for an understanding. The Public Ministry, under Portuguese law, could refuse to authorise”, a legal source told CM.

According to the English press, the commissionaire Martin Hewitt, who is coordinating the British investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann – which occurred on 3rd May 2007, in Praia da Luz – “a letter with detailed requests was sent” on Friday, a legal action that is “part of an on-going process”. He added that they “are procedures to enable the investigation to continue successfully”.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/pressao-inglesa-sobre-judiciaria-por-caso-maddie
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 16, 2014, 07:28:44 PM

The press are doing nothing illegal. So we will come to the "legal versus moral argument". Do we really want to reach the point where everyone and everything is driven by a "Read the f*****g small print, sucker" ,or to be posh caveat emptor, culture? .

If we want a free press, then YES. They need to be allowed to print anything that is legal and be judged by heir readership.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 16, 2014, 07:31:25 PM
So, you approve of the way the media misleads and intermingles facts and fantasy, so that to the gullible, it all appears to be true?

I accept it as a necessary drawback as an adjunct to having a Free Press. Who should decide 'truth'?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 16, 2014, 07:43:05 PM
I accept it as a necessary drawback as an adjunct to having a Free Press. Who should decide 'truth'?

Agree with laissez-faire in principle, Enola, but at the same time there is not even the pretense of truth amongst this element of the press. For them to appeal to such values is disingenuous.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 16, 2014, 07:53:14 PM
Agree with laissez-faire in principle, Enola, but at the same time there is not even the pretense of truth amongst this element of the press. For them to appeal to such values is disingenuous.

So you would regulate it- how?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 16, 2014, 07:56:53 PM
So you would regulate it- how?

I'm afraid I'll have to cop out of that answer, Enola ('scuse the pun). A little bit too hard for me.

Seems that attempts to regulate create just as much corruption and confusion than when absent.

No excuse, however, for the press to handle a case like this so irresponsibly.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 16, 2014, 08:07:01 PM
If we want a free press, then YES. They need to be allowed to print anything that is legal and be judged by heir readership.

Who is the arbiter of free? The press print want the editors and owners dictate near enough. I am not suggesting censorship merely taking the whole works with bushels of salt from the Grauniad down or up depending on ones view.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 16, 2014, 08:09:56 PM
It seems, according to CM article I posted, the PJ is not in a hurry to answer the rogatory letters..

Not sure if  the article is suggesting that either SY is too aggressive or the PJ likes things to be swept under a carpet...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 16, 2014, 08:21:39 PM
It seems, according to CM article I posted, the PJ is not in a hurry to answer the rogatory letters..

Not sure if  the article is suggesting that either SY is too aggressive or the PJ likes things to be swept under a carpet...

It's a bit of a nothing article. I wouldn't assume anything from it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2014, 08:26:17 PM
It's a bit of a nothing article. I wouldn't assume anything from it.

I think there is a lot of worry of losing face amongst the Portuguese because the initial investigation was poor..imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 16, 2014, 08:28:41 PM
I think there is a lot of worry of losing face amongst the Portuguese because the initial investigation was poor..imo

We know that's what you think 8)-)))

But there are no facts to suggest it I'm sure.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2014, 08:32:50 PM
We know that's what you think 8)-)))

But there are no facts to suggest it I'm sure.

just imagine what it would look like if SY make any progress where the Portuguese have failed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 16, 2014, 08:35:49 PM
We know that's what you think 8)-)))

But there are no facts to suggest it I'm sure.

SY are not paying Portugal to assist them. Portuguese authorities have elected to reopen the case on their own terms, and to pay for it.

Not something done lightly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 16, 2014, 08:38:51 PM
just imagine what it would look like if SY make any progress where the Portuguese have failed

Don't hold your breath. You guys appear to always fall for the hype and that's unfortunate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 16, 2014, 08:40:33 PM
SY are not paying Portugal to assist them. Portuguese authorities have elected to reopen the case on their own terms, and to pay for it.

Not something done lightly.

Exactly, SH (if I'm reading your meaning correctly).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 16, 2014, 08:49:16 PM
just imagine what it would look like if SY make any progress where the Portuguese have failed

33 months and counting
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 16, 2014, 08:52:28 PM
Who is the arbiter of free? The press print want the editors and owners dictate near enough. I am not suggesting censorship merely taking the whole works with bushels of salt from the Grauniad down or up depending on ones view.

That is, of course, your right. It is up to people to work out how to interpret questionable information. Ther is no arbiter of free, only of illegal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2014, 08:54:39 PM
33 months and counting

You realise they are being prevented from moving forward by the portuguese
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 16, 2014, 08:59:17 PM
You realise they are being prevented from moving forward by the portuguese

Not according Mr Hewitt.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 16, 2014, 09:03:30 PM
You realise they are being prevented from moving forward by the portuguese

There is lots of diplomacy needed..

In Portugal they can decide to keep some cases files secret for 20 and something years.. wasn't this the case with the Casa Pia files?

If the SY has the real facts, they cannot do the same with Madeleine new files..

The case has to go open in front of the whole world..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 16, 2014, 09:07:58 PM
Don't hold your breath. You guys appear to always fall for the hype and that's unfortunate.

It might be hype that significant progress is being made as we speak. But it is not hype that the Portuguese AG has reopened the case.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 16, 2014, 09:13:37 PM
Exactly, SH (if I'm reading your meaning correctly).

Not sure, Lyall....

Portugal must have reasons of its own for opening the case, and they must be reasonably good ones. The cost and effort cannot be explained by saying that they have been pressured by SY or anyone else in Britain. And it doesn't work like that anyway. The AG needs to see evidence of new information in order to have the case legally re-opened. Otherwise we are saying that he has been willing fudge or falsify in order to pander to SY - and that's just not credible.

PT has opened the case for reasons of its own, one being that another crack at the investigation under fresh teams of people will give them a chance to finish the work they began in 2007 and call the investigation their own.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 16, 2014, 09:24:35 PM
Not sure, Lyall....

Portugal must have reasons of its own for opening the case, and they must be reasonably good ones. The cost and effort cannot be explained by saying that they have been pressured by SY or anyone else in Britain. And it doesn't work like that anyway. The AG needs to see evidence of new information in order to have the case legally re-opened. Otherwise we are saying that he has been willing fudge or falsify in order to pander to SY - and that's just not credible.

PT has opened the case for reasons of its own, one being that another crack at the investigation under fresh teams of people will give them a chance to finish the work they began in 2007 and call the investigation their own.

Thank God for the voice of reason.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2014, 09:32:10 PM
Not according Mr Hewitt.

I think Mr Hewitt is having to be very diplomatic...why are SY there? because the Portuguese have been found to be incompetent
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 16, 2014, 09:42:59 PM
I think Mr Hewitt is having to be very diplomatic...why are SY there? because the Portuguese have been found to be incompetent
You mean when he said MPS have not yet asked for any one to be arrested or questioned he wasn't telling the truth?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 16, 2014, 09:44:45 PM
I think Mr Hewitt is having to be very diplomatic...why are SY there? because the Portuguese have been found to be incompetent

Why are SY there? Because the PM instructed them I think.

Good job you're not in charge of diplomacy 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 16, 2014, 09:48:45 PM
Not sure, Lyall....

Portugal must have reasons of its own for opening the case, and they must be reasonably good ones. The cost and effort cannot be explained by saying that they have been pressured by SY or anyone else in Britain. And it doesn't work like that anyway. The AG needs to see evidence of new information in order to have the case legally re-opened. Otherwise we are saying that he has been willing fudge or falsify in order to pander to SY - and that's just not credible.

PT has opened the case for reasons of its own, one being that another crack at the investigation under fresh teams of people will give them a chance to finish the work they began in 2007 and call the investigation their own.

Fair enough, SH. I think if we stick to what's said officially things are clearer, but the newspapers are no more reliable now than they were in 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 16, 2014, 09:53:23 PM
You mean when he said MPS have not yet asked for any one to be arrested or questioned he wasn't telling the truth?

have they managed to get that far yet
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 12:02:46 AM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/16/289843/default/v1/mirror-170214-1-329x437.jpg)

Is that a woman there?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 17, 2014, 12:04:49 AM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/16/289843/default/v1/mirror-170214-1-329x437.jpg)

Is that a woman there?

Could it be the 'widow' mentioned under the headline?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 12:11:04 AM
Simply more tosh.

As Public Image said: Don't believe the hype.

(Public Enemy even)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 12:11:38 AM
Yes, it could be the widow.

And this suspect is the PJ suspect.

I am not sure if the SY is looking at the same gang..

I wonder if the widow worked at OC or not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 12:14:40 AM

Just as I have long suspected.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 12:16:32 AM
Just as I have long suspected.

8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 17, 2014, 12:16:56 AM
Yes, it could be the widow.

And this suspect is the PJ suspect.

I am not sure if the SY is looking at the same gang..

I wonder if the widow worked at OC or not?

It's a newspaper article Vixte.   Therefore of very little interest to me I'm afraid.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 12:20:15 AM
It's a newspaper article Vixte.   Therefore of very little interest to me I'm afraid.

well, this is a news thread  @)(++(* what else is expected on this thread?

the article is an interview with the widow

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-cops-quiz-3153923
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 12:36:10 AM
The Express must be 8()(((@# @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 17, 2014, 12:52:12 AM
well, this is a news thread  @)(++(* what else is expected on this thread?

the article is an interview with the widow

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-cops-quiz-3153923

Thanks for the link Vixte.  I can't say there is anything new there.   Just a rehash of old stuff IMO.

What happened to the secrecy laws?  Or don't they apply in her case?   Just curious.

p.s. I take you point about this being the news thread.  Soz.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 12:52:57 AM
The Express must be 8()(((@# @)(++(*

It's The Mirror, Silly.  Can you read?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 12:56:17 AM
Which 'Maddie' cops are the Mirror now quoting ? The SY Maddie cops, the PJ Maddie cops, or the joint SY/PJ Maddie cops ?
This is becoming farcical, it's akin to butter adverts i.e. "I can't believe we're the Maddie cops" "the low low Maddie cops" "utterly butterly Maddie cops" etc. etc. !!!

They are quoting PJ..  if you enlarge the front page you would see this..

Monteiro is the PJ's suspect, not the SY's suspect..  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:02:30 AM
It's The Mirror, Silly.  Can you read?

I can. The Mirror got the exclusive: James Murray must be 8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 01:09:00 AM
So how many separate 'Maddie Cops' squads are there now ?

I believe there are two. One is independent PJ team and another SY plus another PJ team working together.

This Monteiro guy was 'found' by the independent PJ team. while I believe the SY+PJ are more interested in OC workers.


Quote
While Oporto detectives have been working on a review of existing evidence, six detectives from the PJ’s branch in Faro have been assisting their colleagues from Scotland Yard in the ambit of an international co-operation request based on the issuing of rogatory letters. PJ police in Lisbon stressed in comments to The Portugal News that at this stage of the review, the PJ branches in Oporto and Faro are “working independently.”
http://theportugalnews.com/news/portugal-orders-re-opening-of-madeleine-case/29711
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 01:14:18 AM

Monteiro was an Ocean Club worker.  Got sacked for stealing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 01:23:02 AM
Monteiro was an Ocean Club worker.  Got sacked for stealing.

IMO his widow is right,  he was not involved in Madeleine's case.. PJ is just finding A FOREIGN scapegoat.. so the finger is not pointed at non-foreign OC workers..

He is easiest way out of this mess.. dead.. junky.. been to prison.. ideal!

That could be the current conflict between the PJ and SY.. and that could be why the PJ is taking so long to process the rogatory letters..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 01:25:47 AM
Gin o'clock Mitch !!!

Are you buying?  Make mine a large one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 17, 2014, 01:27:59 AM
IMO his widow is right,  he was not involved in Madeleine's case.. PJ is just finding A FOREIGN scapegoat.. so the finger is not pointed at non-foreign OC workers..

He is easiest way out of this mess.. dead.. junky.. been to prison.. ideal!

You could be right, but for any police force to rule out people simply because they have since died is irrational IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:28:08 AM
IMO his widow is right,  he was not involved in Madeleine's case.. PJ is just finding A FOREIGN scapegoat.. so the finger is not pointed at non-foreign OC workers..

He is easiest way out of this mess.. dead.. junky.. been to prison.. ideal!

That could be the current conflict between the PJ and SY.. and that could be why the PJ is taking so long to process the rogatory letters..

Conflict? What conflict?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:30:54 AM
IMO his widow is right,  he was not involved in Madeleine's case.. PJ is just finding A FOREIGN scapegoat.. so the finger is not pointed at non-foreign OC workers..

He is easiest way out of this mess.. dead.. junky.. been to prison.. ideal!

That could be the current conflict between the PJ and SY.. and that could be why the PJ is taking so long to process the rogatory letters..

An imagination like this ought to be working for a tabloid ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 01:34:59 AM
Conflict? What conflict?

I have noticed a 'conflict' mentioned in the earlier today's article from Portugal

Correio da Manhã

Three English police officers were in the Algarve

English Pressure on the PJ for “Maddie” case

Scotland Yard sent a third letter of request in spite of the fact that the second letter has not yet arrived at the PJ.

15 February 2014, 19h51
By:Rui Pando Gomes


In the space of three weeks, the British investigators were in the Algarve twice for meetings described as "routine".

In spite of the fact that the PJ has still not complied with any of the inquiries requested in the second letter of request sent to the Portuguese authorities, within the scope of the investigation into the Maddie case, Scotland Yard has now announced that it will send a third legal request, with more inquiries of alleged suspects.

After another visit by the English pólice, for a routine meeting, the day before yesterday, as reported by CM, this new request for help is seen as a sign of “pressure” on the Portuguese pólice.

According to findings by CM, the second letter of request has still not officially arrived to the Faro PJ police officers.

“The English police can make a request for an understanding. The Public Ministry, under Portuguese law, could refuse to authorise”, a legal source told CM.

According to the English press, the commissionaire Martin Hewitt, who is coordinating the British investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann – which occurred on 3rd May 2007, in Praia da Luz – “a letter with detailed requests was sent” on Friday, a legal action that is “part of an on-going process”. He added that they “are procedures to enable the investigation to continue successfully”.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/pressao-inglesa-sobre-judiciaria-por-caso-maddie

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:37:44 AM
I have noticed a 'conflict' mentioned in the earlier today's article from Portugal

>@@(*&) Maybe you see what isn't actually there? Maybe you want to see a conflict?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:39:02 AM
I have noticed a 'conflict' mentioned in the earlier today's article from Portugal

One word not mentioned in that article: lawyer.

They don't move quickly, in any country.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 01:39:40 AM
Might just take you up on that sometime !!!

Who knows?  We might even get on.  I do so love a hearty debate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:40:15 AM
Vixte has left the building by the looks of it !!

Must be busy writing for their newspaper @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 01:43:12 AM
>@@(*&) Maybe you see what isn't actually there? Maybe you want to see a conflict?

You are right.. maybe there is not a conflict.. but it there wasn't one why would CM underline that SY is pressurising PJ to deal with the requests in the R. letters?

SY sending letters.. PJ not dealing with letters.. taking their time.. deciding what to do...maybe PJ is not at a mistake at all but the courts are delaying it.. the question is who is delaying it and why...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:46:22 AM
You are right.. maybe there is not a conflict.. but it there wasn't one why would CM underline that SY is pressurising PJ to deal with the requests in the R. letters?

SY sending letters.. PJ not dealing with letters.. taking their time.. deciding what to do...maybe PJ is not at a mistake at all but the courts are delaying it.. the question is who is delaying it and why...

Why would CM say that? Because they're a newspaper?

Don't believe the hype 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 01:48:34 AM

Don't believe the hype 8(0(*

New mantra on this forum  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 01:49:12 AM
Why would CM say that? Because they're a newspaper?

Don't believe the hype 8(0(*

Jeez.  Where do you have to go to get a decent debate?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:51:28 AM
New mantra on this forum  8)--))

8(>((
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 01:55:44 AM
Jeez.  Where do you have to go to get a decent debate?

Monty Python's Argument Clinic? 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 01:58:33 AM
8(>((

My grandma used to say: "What people talk about .. that either happened or will happen.. " @)(++(*

If you apply it on the paper's stories and you check the past ones.. and compare it to the files.. then you see that SOME things papers wrote about Madeleine's case were actually truthful.. so in every article there is a little truth and lots of rubbish..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 02:01:49 AM
Monty Python's Argument Clinic? 8)-)))

Do they sell Gin?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 02:04:49 AM
My grandma used to say: "What people talk about .. that either happened or will happen.. " @)(++(*

If you apply it on the paper's stories and you check the past ones.. and compare it to the files.. then you see that SOME things papers wrote about Madeleine's case were actually truthful.. so in every article there is a little truth and lots of rubbish..

I think you're right, and it's not changed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 02:07:00 AM
You are right.. maybe there is not a conflict.. but it there wasn't one why would CM underline that SY is pressurising PJ to deal with the requests in the R. letters?

SY sending letters.. PJ not dealing with letters.. taking their time.. deciding what to do...maybe PJ is not at a mistake at all but the courts are delaying it.. the question is who is delaying it and why...

Egos are involved.

SY want to look like they are in the driving seat (hence the suggestion of pressuring). There's nothing to say that Portuguese courts are foot-dragging. Just that the normal bureaucracies are being observed.

PJ on the other hand also want to maintain control, and want to be seen to be doing so.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 02:09:47 AM
Fair enough, SH. I think if we stick to what's said officially things are clearer, but the newspapers are no more reliable now than they were in 2007.

Newspapers are no more reliable, that's for sure.

But we can separate what is contained in the tabloids from the exercise of trying to figure out what is going on in reality.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 02:22:58 AM
Egos are involved.

SY want to look like they are in the driving seat (hence the suggestion of pressuring). There's nothing to say that Portuguese courts are foot-dragging. Just that the normal bureaucracies are being observed.

PJ on the other hand also want to maintain control, and want to be seen to be doing so.

IMO it is not an ego problem. I just thought about it.. and by now the policemen on both sides would be good friends..

I think this now is more a political thing of 'what kind of an image a mess like this would produce long and short term and how to deal with it'

I'd call it a PR, and that is worse than ego..

But maybe I am wrong!

One good thing, now they are saying that Monteiro was working with others, this is new.. so both theories. either the PJs of Moneteiro or SYs of OC workers have more than one person involved.. which is good for Madeleine, less likely she is dead..

And it seems all these people were around 5A.. mapped by their phones..

And if some old stupid force wants to block the further investigation on this matter or slow it down detectives can still leak it into the papers.. this would cause worse damage than actually dealing with real facts..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 02:41:19 AM
IMO it is not an ego problem. I just thought about it.. and by now the policemen on both sides would be good friends..

I think this now is more a political thing of 'what kind of an image a mess like this would produce long and short term and how to deal with it'

I'd call it a PR, and that is worse than ego..

But maybe I am wrong!

One good thing, now they are saying that Monteiro was working with others, this is new.. so both theories. either the PJs of Moneteiro or SYs of OC workers have more than one person involved.. which is good for Madeleine, less likely she is dead..

And it seems all these people were around 5A.. mapped by their phones..

And if some old stupid force wants to block the further investigation on this matter or slow it down detectives can still leak it into the papers.. this would cause worse damage than actually dealing with real facts..

Yes, noted VIXTE.

Notice that the Mirror article also states:

And yesterday it emerged that British cold-case detectives are anxious to trace three of his known associates who are believed to have carried out burglaries in the Praia da Luz area around the time of the youngster’s disappearance on May 3, 2007.

It appears  that the Oporto team, and SY's team in Faro, are working on the same thing.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 02:45:32 AM

His widow says that he had turned over a new leaf.  And then he got the sack for stealing.  So what does she know?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 02:47:01 AM
Yes, noted VIXTE.

Notice that the Mirror article also states:

And yesterday it emerged that British cold-case detectives are anxious to trace three of his known associates who are believed to have carried out burglaries in the Praia da Luz area around the time of the youngster’s disappearance on May 3, 2007.

It appears  that the Oporto team, and SY's team in Faro, are working on the same thing.

That crossed my mind, but why then there would be a problem in PJ acting upon the R. letters?
If Oporto team has the same finding as SY then there should be no R letters, the PJ would act upon their own findings and SY would not need to write any lettets.
Mathematics  8)--))
IMO their findings are different..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 03:00:07 AM
His widow says that he had turned over a new leaf.  And then he got the sack for stealing.  So what does she know?

Yes, that was an odd statement she made.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 03:08:57 AM
Yes, that was an odd statement she made.

He was obviously away from home that night because his cell phone was elsewhere.  And I can't see him telling his wife that he was off out to abduct a child.  So she cannot possibly speak for his honesty.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 03:09:51 AM
His widow says that he had turned over a new leaf.  And then he got the sack for stealing.  So what does she know?

It is impossible he took Madeleine. He was black and Madeleine is a blond child. It would be very noticeable in PDL-

Plus Smith's sighting is not of Monterio..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 03:25:09 AM
It is impossible he took Madeleine. He was black and Madeleine is a blond child. It would be very noticeable in PDL-

Plus Smith's sighting is not of Monterio..

Yes, I know all that, but someone had to organize it.  And he will have known some very dodgy people.  He was likely there hiding somewhere and coordinating the whole thing.  Hence all of the phone calls.

I think that Madeleine was taken off by sea so he could have been down on the beach with a small boat.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 17, 2014, 07:59:36 AM

Madeleine McCann cops quiz prime suspect's widow - four years after his death

Feb 17, 2014 00:00 By David Collins

The widow of the prime suspect in the Madeleine McCann case has told how she was stunned when police arrived to quiz her – four years after his death.

Luisa Rodrigues was grilled by Portuguese officers as mobile phone records pinpointed Euclides Lopes Monteiro at the scene on the night three-year-old Madeleine was snatched.

The 40-year-old ex-jailbird and heroin junkie remains a key part of the inquiry, even though he died in a tractor accident in 2009 – two years after the abduction.

And yesterday it emerged that British cold-case detectives are anxious to trace three of his known associates who are believed to have carried out burglaries in the Praia da Luz area around the time of the youngster’s disappearance on May 3, 2007.

Speaking for the first time about her interrogation, Luisa, 40, admitted she was shocked when police contacted her at her home in Lagos, just a 15-minute drive from Praia da Luz.

She said: “Two officers phoned me out of the blue and said they were in town and wanted to see me.

“They wouldn’t tell me what it was over the phone but when I reached the cafe where we’d arranged to meet, they told me they were investigating Euclides over Madeleine McCann.

“They said they suspected him because he used to work at the Ocean Club complex where the McCanns were staying and because they had tracked the signal from his mobile phone to the area where Madeleine disappeared the night she vanished.

“I was speechless. I kept repeating Euclides was innocent but they said it was not for me to say.”

She said the officers wanted to know about his criminal past – he served time for burglary – his friends and his drug habit.

She added: “They asked me many questions, including where we had lived as a couple, where Euclides had worked over the years, what he was like as a person and if he had problems with drink and drugs.

"They also asked where he was the night Madeleine disappeared and if I had noticed any changes in him afterwards.

“It’s a long time ago, but I’m sure he would have been at home watching TV. That’s what he always did after work.

“They questioned me for about an hour. The next day I took them the work contracts I found for Euclides at home and details of our joint bank account which they also asked for.

"They never explained why they had come to ­question me more than six years after Madeleine disappeared.”

Luisa admitted that 6ft 2in Euclides had a problem with heroin and cocaine which he battled on and off his whole life.

She said: “When he was younger he broke into houses and served five years in prison. So I can understand why he’s become a suspect, even if I don’t believe he could have had anything to do with it.”

Luisa, the daughter of a construction firm boss, started dating the father of her 11-year-son when she was 16.

She said she was aware of his ­problems, but he had turned over a new leaf – and believes the police are simply trying to find a scapegoat.

She insisted: “I know Euclides didn’t take Madeleine. He came out of prison a changed man. He had made an honest life for himself and was a good and caring father and companion.

"If I thought he had anything to do with Madeleine’s disappearance I would have been the first to turn him in.

“I wouldn’t have been able to live with myself for keeping something like that secret. I know he is innocent.”

Monteiro, who moved to Portugal as a child from Cape Verde off West Africa, first emerged as a suspect last year.

He was sacked from the Ocean Club a year before Madeleine vanished after being accused of theft while working at the Millennium restaurant.

But Luisa, who works for a local tourist firm, said: “I know in my heart he is innocent. It’s very easy to blame someone who can’t defend themselves any more.

“My husband was no angel but he would never be capable of committing such a terrible crime.”

British officers have asked their Portuguese counterparts to question three ex-employees of the Ocean Club complex, examine their bank accounts and search their homes.

Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt, who is leading the Scotland Yard probe, said: “Clearly the tempo of the investigation is accelerating.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-cops-quiz-3153923
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 17, 2014, 08:07:41 AM
Yes, I know all that, but someone had to organize it.  And he will have known some very dodgy people.  He was likely there hiding somewhere and coordinating the whole thing.  Hence all of the phone calls.

I think that Madeleine was taken off by sea so he could have been down on the beach with a small boat.

I think your right Eleanor, the black guy hid in the dark where no one could see him, whilst a Gerry McCann lookalike hurried past the Smith family, down to the beach & onto a boat, then they all made their way to cape canaveral and blasted Maddie into outerspace.


 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on February 17, 2014, 09:06:33 AM
I think your right Eleanor, the black guy hid in the dark where no one could see him, whilst a Gerry McCann lookalike hurried past the Smith family, down to the beach & onto a boat, then they all made their way to cape canaveral and blasted Maddie into outerspace.

Gerry McCann lookalike?     What do you mean?     Smith said it was the way Gerry carried his child down the steps of the plane  that was similar not his face,   and then it was 60/80%.

Why do you and others keep trying to make out that Smith identified Gerry's face?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on February 17, 2014, 09:40:35 AM
Gerry McCann lookalike?     What do you mean?     Smith said it was the way Gerry carried his child down the steps of the plane  that was similar not his face,   and then it was 60/80%.

Why do you and others keep trying to make out that Smith identified Gerry's face?

quite right - looked nothing like Gerry

(https://static-secure.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/10/14/1381759255042/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-008.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on February 17, 2014, 10:04:30 AM
There are probably numerous people who are similar to those photo's.

The point I am making is that Mr. Smith did not say that he recognised Gerry by his appearance but by the way he carried his child.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on February 17, 2014, 10:39:08 AM
Those two photo-fits don't even look like each other yet they are supposed to be the same man.  Can anyone explain this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 17, 2014, 11:05:25 AM
Egos are involved.

SY want to look like they are in the driving seat (hence the suggestion of pressuring). There's nothing to say that Portuguese courts are foot-dragging. Just that the normal bureaucracies are being observed.

PJ on the other hand also want to maintain control, and want to be seen to be doing so.

Sorry to answer late but try putting the boot on the other foot. Consider "how quickly do the UK respond to such things" ?
The chain seems to be along the lines MPS-CPS-FCO-Portugues FO-AG-PJ then back; the point I am making here is there are several links in the chain (PLEASE no one nit pick over whether the links are in the right order or are correctly titled that ain't the kin point). It would not happen in a couple of nanoseconds in the corporate world let alone in the diplomatic world.
Regular meetings have been held between MPS and PJ for nearly three years. Seems to me it grinds on like the mills of God (see Retribution by Longfellow)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 17, 2014, 12:11:13 PM


Madeleine McCann cops quiz prime suspect's widow - four years after his death

17 Feb 2014

Daily Record

Luisa Rodrigues was grilled by Portuguese officers as mobile phone records pinpointed Euclides Lopes Monteiro at the scene on the night she was snatched

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-cops-quiz-3153923



Madeleine McCann News: Luisa Rodrigues, Widow Of Dead Suspect Euclides Lopes Monteiro Insists He Is Innocent

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/17/madeleine-mccann-news-luisa-rodrigues-widow-dead-suspect-euclides-lopes-monteiro-innocent_n_4801461.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 17, 2014, 12:18:58 PM

Madeleine McCann cops quiz prime suspect's widow - four years after his death

17 Feb 2014

Daily Record

Luisa Rodrigues was grilled by Portuguese officers as mobile phone records pinpointed Euclides Lopes Monteiro at the scene on the night she was snatched

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-cops-quiz-3153923



Madeleine McCann News: Luisa Rodrigues, Widow Of Dead Suspect Euclides Lopes Monteiro Insists He Is Innocent

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/02/17/madeleine-mccann-news-luisa-rodrigues-widow-dead-suspect-euclides-lopes-monteiro-innocent_n_4801461.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 01:15:45 PM
Monteiro's widow was grilled by police for an hour at a cafe? How bizarre!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 17, 2014, 01:17:29 PM
Monteiro's widow was grilled by police for an hour at a cafe? How bizarre!

I thought that myself Redblossom.  They probably felt that she would cooperate more readily in a neutral environment than down the Lagos nick.  Be interesting to know if one of the Met officers can speak Portuguese and wouldn't have had to depend on their PJ minder.

It won't be long before the Press pack catch on to that though and I'm surprised Brunty wisnae at the next table.   8(>((
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 17, 2014, 01:22:11 PM
Monteiro's widow was grilled by police for an hour at a cafe? How bizarre!

More torture?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
More torture?

LOL!!

@John, ok thanks
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 02:05:39 PM
I thought that myself Redblossom.  They probably felt that she would cooperate more readily in a neutral environment than down the Lagos nick.  Be interesting to know if one of the Met officers can speak Portuguese and wouldn't have had to depend on their PJ minder.

It won't be long before the Press pack catch on to that though and surprised Brunty wisnae at the next table.   8(>((

I thought it was PJ who questioned her... and her husband as potential suspect is the line of enquiry produced by PJ team in Oporto..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 02:09:19 PM
Yes, I know all that, but someone had to organize it.  And he will have known some very dodgy people.  He was likely there hiding somewhere and coordinating the whole thing.  Hence all of the phone calls.

I think that Madeleine was taken off by sea so he could have been down on the beach with a small boat.

Where do we find the idea it was him to organised it?

Why the SY then is asking in the THREE rogatory letters for others to be investigated?

IMO PJ is forcing this guy being suspect while the SY wants them to look at other directions..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 17, 2014, 02:13:11 PM
Monteiro's widow was grilled by police for an hour at a cafe? How bizarre!

Obviously run out of sardines.  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 02:33:42 PM
Obviously run out of sardines.  @)(++(*

 @)(++(*
All sounds very fishy to me anyway

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 17, 2014, 02:47:19 PM
Where do we find the idea it was him to organised it?

Why the SY then is asking in the THREE rogatory letters for others to be investigated?

IMO PJ is forcing this guy being suspect while the SY wants them to look at other directions..

Have you forgotten Public Enemy's wise words already?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 03:20:22 PM
In the Mail now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561146/Police-said-husband-resort-Madeleine-McCann-went-missing-Im-sure-home-watching-TV-says-widow-prime-suspect.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

PS Why does the Mail allow comments and the Mirror and Express don't?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 17, 2014, 03:41:26 PM
In the Mail now

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2561146/Police-said-husband-resort-Madeleine-McCann-went-missing-Im-sure-home-watching-TV-says-widow-prime-suspect.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

PS Why does the Mail allow comments and the Mirror and Express don't?

Editorial discretion and level of monitoring to avoid defamation claims.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 17, 2014, 03:46:26 PM
However, he was sacked a year before she vanished and it is feared that he may have abducted the British girl to get revenge on his former employers.


I love it!
"Tell it to The Marines the sailors will not believe it"

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 04:01:39 PM
Editorial discretion and level of monitoring to avoid defamation claims.

All papers have moderation in their comments sectional I have never heard of anyone or the paper  getting sued for a newspaper article comment.

@Estuarine, it's quite far fetched isn't it? All that just for for bening sacked for stealing tips!
I can think of loads of more very satisfying ways of getting revenge back , IF he wanted to actually do that didn't involve stealing a little child and becoming the worlds most wanted!!!
 It's quite pathetic.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 17, 2014, 04:08:22 PM
All papers have moderation in their comments sectional I have never heard of anyone or the paper  getting sued for a newspaper article comment.
most wanted!!!
 It's quite pathetic.


If you cannot afford continuous moderation you may decide to stop all comments. The Mail is building a major net presence with its website unlike the others you mention and has an interest in having many comments to increase finger fall!

Twitter has been bitten, websites cannot be far behind.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 17, 2014, 04:11:33 PM
All papers have moderation in their comments sectional I have never heard of anyone or the paper  getting sued for a newspaper article comment.

@Estuarine, it's quite far fetched isn't it? All that just for for bening sacked for stealing tips!
I can think of loads of more very satisfying ways of getting revenge back , IF he wanted to actually do that didn't involve stealing a little child and becoming the worlds most wanted!!!
 It's quite pathetic.

It fits in with the forum received wisdom that all Portuguese are ESN that it should take him a year to "get even"
One finger one thumb keep moving........................................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 04:15:44 PM

If you cannot afford continuous moderation you may decide to stop all comments. The Mail is building a major net presence with its website unlike the others you mention and has an interest in having many comments to increase finger fall!

Twitter has been bitten, websites cannot be far behind.

The Mail is a game of Red and Green Arrows.  This is supposed to show balance while not actually printing Libellous Posts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 04:47:32 PM
That crossed my mind, but why then there would be a problem in PJ acting upon the R. letters?
If Oporto team has the same finding as SY then there should be no R letters, the PJ would act upon their own findings and SY would not need to write any lettets.
Mathematics  8)--))
IMO their findings are different..

The letters of request still have to be formally processed. Not up to the plods in the station to override that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 04:53:04 PM
Those two photo-fits don't even look like each other yet they are supposed to be the same man.  Can anyone explain this?

Don't worry about it, Angelo. There is no explanation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 04:58:48 PM
Sorry to answer late but try putting the boot on the other foot. Consider "how quickly do the UK respond to such things" ?
The chain seems to be along the lines MPS-CPS-FCO-Portugues FO-AG-PJ then back; the point I am making here is there are several links in the chain (PLEASE no one nit pick over whether the links are in the right order or are correctly titled that ain't the kin point). It would not happen in a couple of nanoseconds in the corporate world let alone in the diplomatic world.
Regular meetings have been held between MPS and PJ for nearly three years. Seems to me it grinds on like the mills of God (see Retribution by Longfellow)

Appreciate your poetic reference, Estuarine!

Agreed, bureaucracy is there on both sides.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 05:02:55 PM
I would hazard a guess that if you and I each helped in the production of an efit of the same person, seen only for a few seconds, then there would be similarities but the image would most likely differ. However if we worked together on one image then perhaps we would come to a more accurate conclusion?

Mr Smith says in his rogatory interview that he would not recognise the man if he saw him again.

It is hard to reconcile this fact with the idea that any e-fit produced involving Mr Smith's description would be remotely accurate, and with Mr Smith's assesrtion that he was 60-80% sure the man was Gerry McCann. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 05:11:32 PM

Mr. Smith's evidence was always irrelevant.  Although I think he meant well.  But then he didn't expect to find his statements all over the Internet either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 05:15:09 PM
Mr. Smith's evidence was always irrelevant.  Although I think he meant well.  But then he didn't expect to find his statements all over the Internet either.

He and the Guardia and PJ  and the LP and the Mccanns investigators might disagree there!


 @)(++(*


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 17, 2014, 05:20:12 PM
He and the Guardia and PJ  and the LP and the Mccanns investigators might disagree there!


 @)(++(*

That demonstrates what I mean about emotional sideswipes rather than rational argument.

What value can be put on the Smith evidence? Anything at all?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 17, 2014, 05:25:26 PM
He and the Guardia and PJ  and the LP and the Mccanns investigators might disagree there!


 @)(++(*

Though obviously not the McCanns themselves if they tried to bury the efits.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 17, 2014, 05:27:19 PM
That demonstrates what I mean about emotional sideswipes rather than rational argument.

What value can be put on the Smith evidence? Anything at all?

It wouldn't stand up in Court.  In fact I doubt that any sensible Prosecution would have called him in the first place.
Although it might have worked in a Cipriano situation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 05:28:12 PM
That demonstrates what I mean about emotional sideswipes rather than rational argument.

What value can be put on the Smith evidence? Anything at all?

Picking on me again? are you? Why was what I posted a sideswipe, it was a factual post, none of those elements thought the Smith sighting irrelevant, where is the evidence they did?

Value of the Smith sighting? Well, I'm sure I don't have to remind you, they (thats multiple) saw a young blonde girl around 3 or 4 in pyjamas on the night  around the time Madeleine is said to have disappeared! So very irrelevant isn't it?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 05:29:43 PM
Though obviously not the McCanns themselves if they tried to bury the efits.

Yes, well, there's that too!

 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 17, 2014, 05:30:57 PM
I think its unbelievable how the facts are so easily dismissed in this case.

Go back to the PJ interviews and count the lies/changing stories/newly recovered memories (what ever you wish to call it).

I have never seen such bizarre narcissistic behaviour in any other case except perhaps Jonbenet Ramsey or Caylee Anthony's cases.

The Bitish media are a joke outside the uk. Possibly within too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: EnolaStraight on February 17, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
Picking on me again? are you? Why was what I posted a sideswipe, it was a factual post, none of those elements thought the Smith sighting irrelevant, where is the evidence they did?

Value of the Smith sighting? Well, I'm sure I don't have to remind you, they (thats multiple) saw a young blonde girl around 3 or 4 in pyjamas on the night  around the time Madeleine is said to have disappeared! So very irrelevant isn't it?

Certainly, but very unconvincing as to the identity of the carrier.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 05:55:46 PM
All that just for for bening sacked for stealing tips!

Is that what he was in prison for - for 5 years?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 17, 2014, 05:59:40 PM
I think its unbelievable how the facts are so easily dismissed in this case.

Go back to the PJ interviews and count the lies/changing stories/newly recovered memories (what ever you wish to call it).

I have never seen such bizarre narcissistic behaviour in any other case except perhaps Jonbenet Ramsey or Caylee Anthony's cases.

The Bitish media are a joke outside the uk. Possibly within too.

Hello Silkywhiskers. Welcome to the asylum sorry forum.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 11:02:57 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/17/290052/default/v1/daily-star-1-329x437.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 11:09:44 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/2/17/290052/default/v1/daily-star-1-329x437.jpg)

That's not new news, they've been "bungling" for years, haven't they? In so many ways! those bunglers are dreadful....taking sooooo long processing international letters of request, so much longer than the British did with the PT letters of request...NOT

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 17, 2014, 11:16:11 PM
That's not new news, they've been "bungling" for years, haven't they? In so many ways! those bunglers are dreadful....taking sooooo long processing international letters of request, so much longer than the British did with the PT letters of request...NOT
Should the Portuguese deliver the bank accounts of the burglars, when they were continuously refused the McCanns' ones ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 11:27:44 PM
Should the Portuguese deliver the bank accounts of the burglars, when they were continuously refused the McCanns' ones ?

well I suppose Andy Redwood is not responsible for the shambolic disgrace of the UK Home Secretary at time Jacqui Smith and whoever else took the p*ss when they sent a credit rating report to PT instead of actual information requested!

PS what burglars


 @)(++(*


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 17, 2014, 11:31:20 PM

PS what burglars
 @)(++(*
Exactly, those from the film where the blond little girl prays to be abducted  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 11:34:10 PM
The article actually says the Porto PJ is messing up the investigation.
And we know the Porto PJ is pushing up the tractorman lead  @)(++(*

So, I guessed it.. PJ doesn't want it to be OC workers.. they want the Tractorman  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 11:39:06 PM
The article actually says the Porto PJ is messing up the investigation.
And we know the Porto PJ is pushing up the tractorman lead  @)(++(*

So, I guessed it.. PJ doesn't want it to be OC workers.. they want the Tractorman  @)(++(*

Have you got a copy of the article then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 11:40:20 PM
Exactly, those from the film where the blond little girl prays to be abducted  ?{)(**

PJ considered this theory back in 2007 and dismissed it, it's a load of bollix! All in all
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 17, 2014, 11:46:37 PM
Have you got a copy of the article then?

No need. I am clever enough to put 2 and 2 together..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 17, 2014, 11:49:55 PM
No need. I am clever enough to put 2 and 2 together..

Oh
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 17, 2014, 11:57:51 PM
No need. I am clever enough to put 2 and 2 together..

So the Portuguese  'bungled'  the original investigation  ?

Then they shelved it

The McCanns employ   various private investigation companies  (  costing millions  ?  )  and they came up with nothing    (  no mention of them having bungled it though  ) 

Scotland Yard have a 'review'  and commence their own investigation, and,   after almost three years and seven million pounds spent,  come  up with nothing   (   again,  no mention of  'bungling'  )

The Portuguese re-open their investigation   ...   and we're straight back to  'bungling'  again


Anyone notice a pattern here  ?   


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 18, 2014, 12:14:18 AM
No need. I am clever enough to put 2 and 2 together..

To make 5 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 18, 2014, 12:20:45 AM
So the Portuguese  'bungled'  the original investigation  ?

Then they shelved it

The McCanns employ   various private investigation companies  (  costing millions  ?  )  and they came up with nothing    (  no mention of them having bungled it though  ) 

Scotland Yard have a 'review'  and commence their own investigation, and,   after almost three years and seven million pounds spent,  come  up with nothing   (   again,  no mention of  'bungling'  )

The Portuguese re-open their investigation   ...   and we're straight back to  'bungling'  again


Anyone notice a pattern here  ?
Oh yeah, a desperate one
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 18, 2014, 12:24:42 AM
The article actually says the Porto PJ is messing up the investigation.
And we know the Porto PJ is pushing up the tractorman lead  @)(++(*

So, I guessed it.. PJ doesn't want it to be OC workers.. they want the Tractorman  @)(++(*

Read the article. Nothing new in it whatsoever.

Not a word 8(0(*

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/365974/Portuguese-police-are-bungling-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-say-Brit-detectives (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/365974/Portuguese-police-are-bungling-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-say-Brit-detectives)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 18, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/365974/Portuguese-police-are-bungling-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-say-Brit-detectives

All done and dusted

Jery Lawton putting hs name to cobblers but that's his job description it seems
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 18, 2014, 01:00:31 AM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/365974/Portuguese-police-are-bungling-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-say-Brit-detectives

All done and dusted

Jery Lawton putting hs name to cobblers but that's his job description it seems

I said this last night, didn't I?

PJ is pushing for a scapegoat Monteiro, it has to be a foreigner, that would be the easiest solution..

The SY theory of burglars which include local OC workers would be image damaging for PT.

Now SY is pushing and pushing with their theory and PT is working on PR, calculating,  and looking at ways around it..

IMO!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 18, 2014, 01:05:55 AM
I said this last night, didn't I?

PJ is pushing for a scapegoat Monteiro, it has to be a foreigner, that would be the easiest solution..

The SY theory of burglars which include local OC workers would be image damaging for PT.

Now SY is pushing and pushing with their theory and PT is working on PR, calculating,  and looking at ways around it..

IMO!

Lawton is probably reading your posts, then spending ten minutes on the article. One phone call. Quick quote obtained. Publish. Easy money.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 18, 2014, 01:12:04 AM
THen they should be on the hunt in India Dubai USA Australia new Zealand morocco Argentina Malta etc

Bit expensive though and a total waste of time!

I have to say,  I am impressed that Scotland Yard have not been  'distracted'  by the relentless conjuring up of  'leads and sightings'  from one end of the globe to the other   (  in the way that the Portuguese police,  unfortunately,  were  )   

They   (  Scotland Yard )  made it clear,  during the Crimewatch appeal,  that they have their sights set on one man  ...  the man the Smith family saw just after 10pm  on the night Madeleine McCann was reported missing by her parents
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 18, 2014, 01:13:32 AM
Lawton is probably reading your posts, then spending ten minutes on the article. One phone call. Quick quote obtained. Publish. Easy money.

Jesus this case is better than willie Shakespeare could do with comedy of errors....insert other Shakespeare titles in too for interest!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 18, 2014, 01:13:42 AM
Lawton is probably reading your posts, then spending ten minutes on the article. One phone call. Quick quote obtained. Publish. Easy money.

He's got is quoted from a SY source, not this forum..

No one in this world would believe Madeleine was abducted by a black guy.. he is so easy to notice in PDL and plus Smithsman was white..

I wonder how this is going to finish!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 18, 2014, 01:17:46 AM
He's got is quoted from a SY source, not this forum..

No one in this world would believe Madeleine was abducted by a black guy.. he is so easy to notice in PDL and plus Smithsman was white..

I wonder how this is going to finish!

Well,  it  might  finish   when it comes full circle

All  possible leads of  'abduction'  investigated and exhausted  ...  even the most remote and obscure

What will that leave  ?   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 18, 2014, 01:18:55 AM
He's got is quoted from a SY source, not this forum..

No one in this world would believe Madeleine was abducted by a black guy.. he is so easy to notice in PDL and plus Smithsman was white..

I wonder how this is going to finish!

there is no real or relevant quoting in these articles vixte, they are less believable than watch with mother, jackanory or for later generations "bananas in pyjamas"


!


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 18, 2014, 01:21:09 AM
I have to say,  I am impressed that Scotland Yard have not been  'distracted'  by the relentless conjuring up of  'leads and sightings'  from one end of the globe to the other   (  in the way that the Portuguese police,  unfortunately,  were  )   

They   (  Scotland Yard )  made it clear,  during the Crimewatch appeal,  that they have their sights set on one man  ...  the man the Smith family saw just after 10pm  on the night Madeleine McCann was reported missing by her parents
Yes, made no reference to them whatsoever!

And I'm not surprised!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 18, 2014, 01:22:55 AM
He's got is quoted from a SY source, not this forum..

No one in this world would believe Madeleine was abducted by a black guy.. he is so easy to notice in PDL and plus Smithsman was white..

I wonder how this is going to finish!

SY source? >@@(*&) Yep, that's likely.

Was there any indication at all in the Mirror article yesterday that the Portuguese are still interested in the guy? All the article says is they spoke to his wife, and even that was informally.

The article only exists because the man's wife spoke. It was not based on anything the Portuguese police have done or said lately. They spoke to the man's wife, a while ago. That's it as far as we know.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 18, 2014, 01:45:00 AM
I have to say,  I am impressed that Scotland Yard have not been  'distracted'  by the relentless conjuring up of  'leads and sightings'  from one end of the globe to the other   (  in the way that the Portuguese police,  unfortunately,  were  )   

They   (  Scotland Yard )  made it clear,  during the Crimewatch appeal,  that they have their sights set on one man  ...  the man the Smith family saw just after 10pm  on the night Madeleine McCann was reported missing by her parents

Perhaps you can clarify, Icabod.

On the one hand you note that all non-Scotland Yard agencies so far involved in the case end up being portrayed as having 'bungled'. (The implication being that the McCanns are spinning this view, if I understand you correctly).

On the other hand, SY as you say are pursuing Smithman (that is the official line, at least) as their main lead - a lead  the McCanns are understood to have quashed via suppression of the efits  for several years.

Are the McCanns therefore in cahoots and agreement with SY , or not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 18, 2014, 01:50:42 AM
Perhaps you can clarify, Icabod.

On the one hand you note that all non-Scotland Yard agencies so far involved in the case end up being portrayed as having 'bungled'. (The implication being that the McCanns are spinning this view, if I understand you correctly).

On the other hand, SY as you say are pursuing Smithman (that is the official line, at least) as their main lead - a lead  the McCanns are understood to have quashed via suppression of the efits  for several years.

Are the McCanns therefore in cahoots and agreement with SY , or not?

I am simply saying that I am encouraged that it appears  Scotland Yard have not been distracted by the nonsense relentessly generated in the press 


Who  is generating it,  I couldn't possibly say 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 18, 2014, 02:59:11 AM
I am simply saying that I am encouraged that it appears  Scotland Yard have not been distracted by the nonsense relentessly generated in the press 


Who  is generating it,  I couldn't possibly say

Yes, I also appreciate the fact that SY appear to be quite focused.

Even though the press and others appear frustrated at the lack of 'running commentary', that policy surely is the best for the investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 18, 2014, 10:22:38 AM
He's got is quoted from a SY source, not this forum..

No one in this world would believe Madeleine was abducted by a black guy.. he is so easy to notice in PDL and plus Smithsman was white..

I wonder how this is going to finish!

It could have been Tractor Man AND the Burglars.  It was hardly likely to have been a one man job, and someone had to organize it.
And the phone calls were between more than two people.  Allegedly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on February 18, 2014, 10:42:36 AM
Perhaps you can clarify, Icabod.

On the one hand you note that all non-Scotland Yard agencies so far involved in the case end up being portrayed as having 'bungled'. (The implication being that the McCanns are spinning this view, if I understand you correctly).

On the other hand, SY as you say are pursuing Smithman (that is the official line, at least) as their main lead - a lead  the McCanns are understood to have quashed via suppression of the efits  for several years.

Are the McCanns therefore in cahoots and agreement with SY , or not?

The portuguese police in 5 months got it further than NSY in 3 years. The portuguese archived an investigation process in 2008 because they went against a brick wall. Suspects protected in their country and lack of cooperation from that country.

When NSY took the review of the case and, without considering the evidence gathered in the original investigation, declared that the child could be alive, or unfortunately dead, and declared parents and friends not suspects without even reading the files, why on earth did they take all this time to search for an alive child?!

I hope that missing children in UK never receive this kind of treatment, because if they are recovered they will be alive only by a miracle.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 18, 2014, 01:54:36 PM
People are more aware now but in 2014 you're believing the same tabloids who printed any old tosh they felt like printing in 2007? >@@(*&)

This current wave started with the Mail article of January 3rd (which must have had police collaboration imo) - but everything since then has been speculation by the usual suspects, except last week's Standard article where the police actually spoke.
First you forget the contents, you can't memorize years and years of pseudo news, what you don't forget however is that they finally were proved to be false and you better don't trust them totally. But the wish to believe is very strong, as believing is much easier than doubting, so the justification comes swiftly : "perhaps this time they're right".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 18, 2014, 02:12:30 PM
First you forget the contents, you can't memorize years and years of pseudo news, what you don't forget however is that they finally were proved to be false and you better don't trust them totally. But the wish to believe is very strong, as believing is much easier than doubting, so the justification comes swiftly : "perhaps this time they're right".

Very true 8((()*/ I understand the wish to believe.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 18, 2014, 10:21:25 PM
In the recently reported war between the Portuguese Police and the Metropolitan Police Services (UK Daily Star Feb 18th 2014) a source close to the war revealed that the Portuguese had mounted an air strike of 12 American built General Dynamics F16s. The original mission had been to take out Redwood of the Yard but due to an error in translation the Fighting Falcons bombed and strafed the bejazus out of the corner of the yard. The source said well it just shows their general incompetence. A source (not the same one) indicated the Portuguese may well sub contract the next strike to the Israeli Air Force in exchange for free holidays on the Algarve.

Sorry Admin but this post is no dafter than the press!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 18, 2014, 11:50:00 PM
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/365974/Portuguese-police-are-bungling-the-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-say-Brit-detectives

All done and dusted

Jery Lawton putting hs name to cobblers but that's his job description it seems

I asked him about this before and he replied that he only provided the information to the editor and that he was not responsible for the final article.  IIRC the comment related to Señor Monteiro being called a monster.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 19, 2014, 05:37:26 AM
I asked him about this before and he replied that he only provided the information to the editor and that he was not responsible for the final article.  IIRC the comment related to Señor Monteiro being called a monster.

Its an article in The Star, nuff said. Who reads such trashy papers anyway. I take no notice its all done to sell papers to gullible people.

SY would hardly be dissing the Portugese police right now as they need their cooperation. I wish the media would bog off and let the police do their job.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 19, 2014, 09:03:55 PM
The media should hang their heads in shame.

They are allergic to printing one critical word about the McCann's.

What happened to Journalistic Integrity?

Where are the editorials requesting neglect charges be laid against the parents?

It truly seems no one is making a public example of the most neglectful parents in the UK.  8()(((@#
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 19, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
The media should hang their heads in shame.

They are allergic to printing one critical word about the McCann's.

What happened to Journalistic Integrity?

Where are the editorials requesting neglect charges be laid against the parents?

It truly seems no one is making a public example of the most neglectful parents in the UK.  8()(((@#

where have you been for the last six plus years
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 19, 2014, 09:27:58 PM
where have you been for the last six plus years

If a person had not read a single newspaper article on the case in all those years they would not have missed anything of much significance (there have been fewer articles of importance than you have fingers).

Nothing has changed. The poster has a point.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 19, 2014, 09:30:14 PM
If a person had not read a single newspaper article on the case in all those years they would not have missed anything of much significance (there have been fewer articles of importance than you have fingers).

Nothing has changed. The poster has a point.

be careful you aren't supporting another tooty pooper...but you are much to smart for that aren't you..perhaps not
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 19, 2014, 09:32:08 PM
be careful you aren't supporting another tooty pooper...but you are much to smart for that aren't you..perhaps not

Tooty pooper? I like it 8)-)))

I'm not smart, I just see the bigger picture ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 19, 2014, 11:46:21 PM
The news about 'the conflict' between the SY and PJ doesn't come from the Star.
It comes from Correiro da Manha.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 20, 2014, 02:42:44 AM
Red tape hampering search for Madeleine McCann]

By: David Pilditch
Published: Thu, February 20, 2014

THE parents of Madeleine McCann want police to form a joint British and Portuguese task-force to find their daughter.

The couple are said to be frustrated that the level of co-operation between the two forces “isn’t as it should be”.

It comes amid growing concerns that investigators are conducting separate inquiries instead of pooling resources.

Last night a friend of the couple said they were worried that a potential conflict will hinder the search for Madeleine, abducted in May 2007.

The source said: “It is obvious that the co-operation between Britain and Portugal isn’t as it should be.

“There are two police inquiries going on in two different countries trying to find out what happened to Madeleine and you would want and hope that they would work together.”

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/madeleine_McCann-460748.jpg)

British investigators are focusing on three local burglars blamed for a string of break-ins at the Algarve holiday resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine was staying with her family. In what could be a breakthrough, Scotland Yard honed in on the three men after a painstaking trawl through mobile phone records.

It is understood there was significant phone traffic between them around the time Madeleine, then aged three, vanished.

Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria are concentrating their efforts on a theory that a sacked resort worker abducted Madeleine. Heroin addict Euclides Monteiro, 40, was killed in a tractor accident four years ago, but mobile phone analysis placed his handset near the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.

There have also been concerns Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange investigation has been caught up in red tape.

British police have to send international letters of request to Portugal via the Crown Prosecution Service each time they want officers to carry out investigative work on their behalf.

Last night the source close to the McCanns said: “Kate and Gerry hope, for the sake of Madeleine, the two countries’ forces can work together in a joint investigation.”

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe has also called for senior detectives from both countries to conduct a single inquiry.

Last night the McCanns’ spokesman said: “Kate and Gerry remain very pleased with the work Scotland Yard continue to do in the search for Madeleine.”

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/460748/Missing-Madeleine-McCann-search-hampered-by-red-tape?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+(Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 03:37:38 AM
Red tape hampering search for Madeleine McCann]

British investigators are focusing on three local burglars blamed for a string of break-ins at the Algarve holiday resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine was staying with her family. In what could be a breakthrough, Scotland Yard honed in on the three men after a painstaking trawl through mobile phone records.

It is understood there was significant phone traffic between them around the time Madeleine, then aged three, vanished.

Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria are concentrating their efforts on a theory that a sacked resort worker abducted Madeleine. Heroin addict Euclides Monteiro, 40, was killed in a tractor accident four years ago, but mobile phone analysis placed his handset near the McCanns’ apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.


I hope they resolve this soon..

It is the same story. IMO the PJ wants to pursue these requests and they want to do it soon but it is the higher level politics and PR that is stopping them..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 20, 2014, 03:49:30 AM
I hope they resolve this soon..

It is the same story. IMO the PJ wants to pursue these requests and they want to do it soon but it is the higher level politics and PR that is stopping them..

Where do you get that from  ?

What a silly thing to say   ...   unless you can can support it     (  which of course,  you can't  )
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 04:38:33 AM
Where do you get that from  ?

What a silly thing to say   ...   unless you can can support it     (  which of course,  you can't  )

I am psychic  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on February 20, 2014, 07:00:33 AM
If a person had not read a single newspaper article on the case in all those years they would not have missed anything of much significance (there have been fewer articles of importance than you have fingers).

Nothing has changed. The poster has a point.

Someone i know reckons they read all about the case, yet she had never heard of Eddie and Keela lol....nuff said.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 20, 2014, 12:32:54 PM
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe on BBC 5 Live Twitter - Jerry Lawton

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:09 AM - 20 Feb 14
Met police comm Bernard Hogan-Howe on @bbc5live: "working towards resolving" different leads pursued by UK & Portuguese cops re #McCann case

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:15 AM - 20 Feb 14
Hogan-Howe tells @bbc5live UK cops making "some progress" towards "genuine partnership" with Portuguese police in Madeleine #McCann case

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:17 AM - 20 Feb 14
Hogan-Howe tells @bbc5live he "will not judge" quality of original Portuguese inquiry into Madeleine #McCann disappearance

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:19 AM - 20 Feb 14
Hogan-Howe tells @bbc5live UK police have "names" of people they suspect were involved in Madeleine #McCann disappearance

https://twitter.com/JerryLawton
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 20, 2014, 12:35:40 PM
Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe on BBC 5 Live Twitter - Jerry Lawton

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:09 AM - 20 Feb 14
Met police comm Bernard Hogan-Howe on @bbc5live: "working towards resolving" different leads pursued by UK & Portuguese cops re #McCann case

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:15 AM - 20 Feb 14
Hogan-Howe tells @bbc5live UK cops making "some progress" towards "genuine partnership" with Portuguese police in Madeleine #McCann case

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:17 AM - 20 Feb 14
Hogan-Howe tells @bbc5live he "will not judge" quality of original Portuguese inquiry into Madeleine #McCann disappearance

Jerry Lawton ‏@JerryLawton
10:19 AM - 20 Feb 14
Hogan-Howe tells @bbc5live UK police have "names" of people they suspect were involved in Madeleine #McCann disappearance

https://twitter.com/JerryLawton

What they need is hard evidence, not just suspicion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 20, 2014, 04:04:10 PM



Met police 'making progress in Maddie case,' says Hogan-Howe

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/met-police-making-progress-in-maddie-case-says-hoganhowe-9141314.html


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 20, 2014, 04:06:28 PM

The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, discusses progress in the Madeleine McCann case,

20 February 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vcjg8

First broadcast: Thursday 20 February 2014

Transcript

By Nigel Moore

Nicky Campbell: Errm... Adeal in London... no, I tell you what, we'll go to Christine in Cardiff. Brief points please because there's only eight minutes left, so make your questions as... as, errr... well edited as you can. Hi, Christine.

Christine: (phone in) Good morning. Good morning, Sir Bernard.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Good morning, Christine.

Christine: I'd like to ask you, errr... on the progress of Operation Grange.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Right, we have a lots of Op... Operations, so you're going to have...

Nicky Campbell: Operation Grange, just...?

Christine: Operation Grange.

Nicky Campbell: Which is?

Christine: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Ahh, right, thank you for helping...

Christine: That's okay.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: ...but we do have a lot of Operations in London, so I'm sorry if I didn't recognise it immediately.

Nicky Campbell: The Portuguese police are in a mess... really messed up, didn't they?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Yes. [spoken in acknowledgment of the reference to the 'Portuguese police' and before Nicky Campbell has finished his sentence]

Christine: Yes... no [seemingly spoken in echo of Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe's 'yes' but then realises it could be misconstrued and makes an attempt to change it to 'no'. See her next comment]

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errm... I'm not going to respond to Nicky's comments.

Christine: (in background) Did they Nicky?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: I'm just going to... Let me just... let me just help. Where we are at the moment: We've sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese, errr... Judiciary, because that's the way their system works, and also with the police - we are working closely with them. Errm... obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of inquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we're working together to try and resolve that. Errm... we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this, quite often their torment gets lost. Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.

Nicky Campbell: Awful.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Either way, errr... they've got that terrible uncertainty, so we're all trying our best to help resolve that. We...

Nicky Campbell: Do you have suspects?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errr... yes, we've said very clearly that, you know, we've got lines of inquiry that, errm... are different to the Portuguese police and we're working with them to try and resolve that and I'm only going to... you know, that comment you made at the beginning, about, you know, what they did or didn't do. We've got to work together on this and I don't mean that as a naïve thing; I just think, generally. We've generally got to work together. We can't police Portugal, they can't do everything over here; we must work together. So, we're insist... you know, we really can work in genuine partnership on this. We're making some progress, errm... let's see how it comes over the next few months.

Nicky Campbell: If you'd been involved at the outset, do you think we might have got further with this investigation?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errr... I think that's a bit unf... that would be unfair. I mean there's been inquiries in, errm... in the UK, where we know that the police could have done better. I think to be too judgmental in these cases is... is wrong and I wasn't there and I'm not going to judge them. The main thing we're all committed to is trying to find that little girl.

Nicky Campbell: And you have lines of inquiry, you have 'suspects' lines of inquiry; you have names.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: That's right.

Nicky Campbell: Errm... and I appreciate how you can't, at this stage, go any further, errr... and have you spoken to those people?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errm... I'm not going to go any further, really. Because that's what you just said you didn't want!

Nicky Campbell: I'm sure when you were interviewing people in that... in that little room you'd try and sneak one in like that, Sir Bernard. I bet you have in your time.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 20, 2014, 04:41:04 PM
5live presenters just can't resist trying to create something from nothing, a bit of artificial controversy to get their names mentioned. Campbell trying his best there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 09:26:45 PM
Quote
different lines of inquiry

working to resolve this..

Hmmm ,, so curious.. wishing to be a fly on their wall!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 20, 2014, 09:35:42 PM
The Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, discusses progress in the Madeleine McCann case,

20 February 2014
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b03vcjg8

First broadcast: Thursday 20 February 2014

Transcript

By Nigel Moore

Nicky Campbell: Errm... Adeal in London... no, I tell you what, we'll go to Christine in Cardiff. Brief points please because there's only eight minutes left, so make your questions as... as, errr... well edited as you can. Hi, Christine.

Christine: (phone in) Good morning. Good morning, Sir Bernard.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Good morning, Christine.

Christine: I'd like to ask you, errr... on the progress of Operation Grange.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Right, we have a lots of Op... Operations, so you're going to have...

Nicky Campbell: Operation Grange, just...?

Christine: Operation Grange.

Nicky Campbell: Which is?

Christine: It's the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Ahh, right, thank you for helping...

Christine: That's okay.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: ...but we do have a lot of Operations in London, so I'm sorry if I didn't recognise it immediately.

Nicky Campbell: The Portuguese police are in a mess... really messed up, didn't they?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Yes. [spoken in acknowledgment of the reference to the 'Portuguese police' and before Nicky Campbell has finished his sentence]

Christine: Yes... no [seemingly spoken in echo of Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe's 'yes' but then realises it could be misconstrued and makes an attempt to change it to 'no'. See her next comment]

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errm... I'm not going to respond to Nicky's comments.

Christine: (in background) Did they Nicky?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: I'm just going to... Let me just... let me just help. Where we are at the moment: We've sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese, errr... Judiciary, because that's the way their system works, and also with the police - we are working closely with them. Errm... obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of inquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we're working together to try and resolve that. Errm... we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this, quite often their torment gets lost. Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.

Nicky Campbell: Awful.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Either way, errr... they've got that terrible uncertainty, so we're all trying our best to help resolve that. We...

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Nicky Campbell: Do you have suspects?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errr... yes, we've said very clearly that, you know, we've got lines of inquiry that, errm... are different to the Portuguese police and we're working with them to try and resolve that and I'm only going to... you know, that comment you made at the beginning, about, you know, what they did or didn't do. We've got to work together on this and I don't mean that as a naïve thing; I just think, generally. We've generally got to work together. We can't police Portugal, they can't do everything over here; we must work together. So, we're insist... you know, we really can work in genuine partnership on this. We're making some progress, errm... let's see how it comes over the next few months.

Nicky Campbell: If you'd been involved at the outset, do you think we might have got further with this investigation?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errr... I think that's a bit unf... that would be unfair. I mean there's been inquiries in, errm... in the UK, where we know that the police could have done better. I think to be too judgmental in these cases is... is wrong and I wasn't there and I'm not going to judge them. The main thing we're all committed to is trying to find that little girl.

Nicky Campbell: And you have lines of inquiry, you have 'suspects' lines of inquiry; you have names.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: That's right.

Nicky Campbell: Errm... and I appreciate how you can't, at this stage, go any further, errr... and have you spoken to those people?

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: Errm... I'm not going to go any further, really. Because that's what you just said you didn't want!

Nicky Campbell: I'm sure when you were interviewing people in that... in that little room you'd try and sneak one in like that, Sir Bernard. I bet you have in your time.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Not according to the Mccanns official facebook site latest update

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We know Madeleine is out there and needs to be brought home. We will not give up on her. Thank you for continuing to be by our side. ~FM Webmaster

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 20, 2014, 09:41:52 PM
Hmmm ,, so curious.. wishing to be a fly on their wall!
I find it fascinating too

But I think that I can maybe understand why the two lines of enquiry.

Enough said.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 20, 2014, 09:45:09 PM
Not according to the Mccanns official facebook site latest update

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We know Madeleine is out there and needs to be brought home. We will not give up on her. Thank you for continuing to be by our side. ~FM Webmaster

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In which we learn we are really, not so subtly, being asked to throw good money after bad.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 20, 2014, 10:17:14 PM
In which we learn we are really, not so subtly, being asked to throw good money after bad.

Cant fault that comment!

You can donate still to the Madeleine Fund.....but then see it swallowed up into nothingness


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 20, 2014, 10:19:55 PM
I think there can be no doubt that Sir Bernard is very sympathetic towards Kate and Gerry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 20, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
I think there can be no doubt that Sir Bernard is very sympathetic towards Kate and Gerry

>@@(*&) Didn't he release balloons or something in 2007?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 20, 2014, 10:27:02 PM
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Otjtz8C-_p8

So

Its now
BHH
Murdered
Or stolen by someone else (presumably that means someone other than a potential murderer)
AR
Or lost

BHH speaks of trying to resolve which case it could be, AR is saying they are trying to find her! Though also having said he hopes for a resolution but that doesnt mean solving the case

Does the left hand know what the right is doing?
Just who is running this circus?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 10:27:11 PM
I find it fascinating too

But I think that I can maybe understand why the two lines of enquiry.

Enough said.

The reason is clear.. for the eyes of the world -  it has to be a foreigner!  The PR machine would not allow otherwise!

We sit and watch  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 20, 2014, 10:27:48 PM
I suddenly find myself thinking of Robin Day speaking to John Nott, telling him he was a: "here-today, gone-tomorrow politician" 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 20, 2014, 10:29:30 PM
He didn't even recognise operation grange  8()-000(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 10:31:08 PM
He didn't even recognise operation grange  8()-000(

And why should he?

It is not like this is the most important world's event!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 20, 2014, 10:32:56 PM
Not to him probably but he's hardly an expert on the case if he doesn't know the name. The detectives working on the case is what matters.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 10:37:48 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 20, 2014, 10:40:58 PM
And why should he?

It is not like this is the most important world's event!

Agreed.  But he didn't point the finger at the McCanns - so everything he said must be trashed.   So predictable.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 20, 2014, 10:43:27 PM
Agreed.  But he didn't point the finger at the McCanns - so everything he said must be trashed.   So predictable.   

Nobody's trashing him. He's human, of course he has every right to have feelings, sympathies and opinions.

But he also knows the PM has made his opinion perfectly clear too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 20, 2014, 10:47:12 PM
At the last count the MPS were about 3/4 of the way through the documents. Sheesh another 12 months of this; ah that puts it close to a general election and some nasty politico with an axe to grind might yell waste of money. >@@(*&)
One hates to be a party pooper but if there was any crime committed it was on Portuguese soil. Therefore the PJ remain the honchos. Unless a joint task force is set up with MPS in charge which will need interference by Europol and for them on a scale of 1 to 10 this case will not even get off the bump stops. And so it rolls on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 20, 2014, 10:47:34 PM
Agreed.  But he didn't point the finger at the McCanns - so everything he said must be trashed.   So predictable.   
What a ridiculous post, no one is trashng anything he said, in fact many people respect BHH for not beng dragged in by snotty little journalists trying to get him to say the PJ were crap..to suggest anyone anywhere was expecting BHH to point the finger at the Mccanns and is disappointed so will criticise  is bizarre at best

BHH has been quite exemplary to date in general



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 20, 2014, 10:53:45 PM
But he didn't point the finger at the McCanns - so everything he said must be trashed.   So predictable.   
Not even at you, Benice. Predictable ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 20, 2014, 10:55:01 PM
What a ridiculous post, no one is trashng anything he said, in fact many people respect BHH for not beng dragged in by snotty little journalists trying to get him to say the PJ were crap..to suggest anyone anywhere was expecting BHH to point the finger at the Mccanns and is disappointed so will criticise  is bizarre at best

BHH has been quite exemplary to date in general

I think he implied they were crap
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 20, 2014, 11:16:53 PM
I think he implied they were crap

No he didnt, when asked by the snivelling sensationalist jumped up gossip monger, he just said cases are left unsolved in the UK too, the UK force wouldnt necessarily have done any better

He wasnt there so cant judge he said, and quite right too

And he didnt!

Dont think the Uk police have ever had such a case where they were assaulted and their investigation interfered with on such a humungous scale either



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 20, 2014, 11:24:03 PM
Britain's most senior police officer has suggested his officers are closing in on the people who abducted Madeleine McCann.
Scotland Yard boss Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe admitted his officers have the names of suspects and that ‘some progress’ is being made in the inquiry.
But he declined to be drawn on when the suspects would be quizzed over her disappearance in Portugal seven years ago.
He told BBC’s Radio 5 Live: ‘We have sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese judiciary, because that is the way their system works.
‘We have got lines of inquiry which are different to the Portuguese Police’s and we are working with them to try to resolve that.
'We are making some progress.’
Asked by presenter Nicky Campbell whether his officers had the names of suspects, he replied: ‘That is correct’.
He declined to comment further.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564080/Britains-senior-police-officer-confirms-Met-names-three-suspects-Madeleine-McCann-case-closing-in.html#ixzz2tuJZWLVq
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Ok where in the world does he say that the "suspects" even live in Portugal?

Or that their name is not "McCann"?

He confirms they have suspects.  We know that.

So why all the tippy toeing around?  The Portugese would drag in 3 burglars in a heartbeat if requested - but nothing's been requested.

Just standard formal letters sent by the CPS (implying the case is nearly ready for prosecution) regarding procedure for some suspects who are already lined up.

Suspects that have been left to roam free through Portugal?    [ ....moderated.... ]

Why would the CPS
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 20, 2014, 11:31:43 PM
Newbie i cut myself off...

The involvement of the CPS coupled with the lack of requests for action, implies a case is already built against British citizens.

Otherwise, the CPS would not be sending letters at all.

SY would advise Portugal of the evidence they have of a crime committed in Portugal by Portugese residents, and hand it over.

The Portugese are the "proper authorities" and would be handling the entire case, UNLESS the suspects are British.

Then they need Portugese help to bring the case. 

Kwim?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 20, 2014, 11:39:10 PM
Newbie i cut myself off...

The involvement of the CPS coupled with the lack of requests for action, implies a case is already built against British citizens.

Otherwise, the CPS would not be sending letters at all.

SY would advise Portugal of the evidence they have of a crime committed in Portugal by Portugese residents, and hand it over.

The Portugese are the "proper authorities" and would be handling the entire case, UNLESS the suspects are British.

Then they need Portugese help to bring the case. 

Kwim?

Now that you put it like that! Not dissimilar from posts of mine earlier in Jan. Duck silky and listen for The Z Cars Theme!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 20, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
Nobody's trashing him. He's human, of course he has every right to have feelings, sympathies and opinions.

But he also knows the PM has made his opinion perfectly clear too.

LOL - Of course he's being trashed, just like every other public figure who has shown support for the McCanns. 

As I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't accept your comment about the PM. 


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 20, 2014, 11:46:11 PM
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Sir Bernard’s comments came after the Mail revealed exclusively last month that the Met has identified three burglars as prime suspects for Madeleine’s disappearance.
Analysis of mobile phone data suggests the men were close to the scene of her abduction, at the time she went missing, and that they were in close contact with each other in the hours that followed.

Following our revelations, Portuguese newspapers reported that three former Ocean Club workers are Scotland Yard’s prime suspects over her disappearance.
Details of the men’s alleged links to the Mark Warner-run resort in the Algarve, where Maddie vanished from in 2007, were revealed in a number of Portuguese newspapers with close links to local police.
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Although local media reported the men had been employed at the Ocean Club complex in Praia da Luz, it was not clear whether they were working there at the time Madeleine went missing in May 2007.
Nor was it clear whether they were directly employed by Mark Warner, or through a contractor


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564080/Britains-senior-police-officer-confirms-Met-names-three-suspects-Madeleine-McCann-case-closing-in.html#ixzz2tuQGHwai
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 20, 2014, 11:51:53 PM
LOL - Of course he's being trashed, just like every other public figure who has shown support for the McCanns. 

As I'm not a conspiracy theorist I don't accept your comment about the PM.

In 2007 time and time again it was stated that evidence existed. It then transpired no such evidence did exist.

That explains why people are still questioning. Papers say this and claim that on behalf of the police. But still no evidence has been seen. It's not difficult to understand the concern.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 12:16:56 AM
In 2007 time and time again it was stated that evidence existed. It then transpired no such evidence did exist.

That explains why people are still questioning. Papers say this and claim that on behalf of the police. But still no evidence has been seen. It's not difficult to understand the concern.

By whom? What 'evidence'?

It seems that the highest ranking policeman in the UK thinks that Madeleine might be still alive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 21, 2014, 12:22:08 AM
In 2007 time and time again it was stated that evidence existed. It then transpired no such evidence did exist.

That explains why people are still questioning. Papers say this and claim that on behalf of the police. But still no evidence has been seen. It's not difficult to understand the concern.

Sorry - I don't see the connection between your post and the fact that anyone who publically supports the McCanns is always criticised, often personally ridiculed and/or claimed to be 'following orders'.    It's irrational IMO.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 12:23:16 AM
By whom? What 'evidence'?

It seems that the highest ranking policeman in the UK thinks that Madeleine might be still alive.

By 'sources' 8)-)))

And the McCanns themselves (but they, when attributed, may have meant those door angles, who knows).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 12:29:19 AM
By 'sources' 8)-)))

And the McCanns themselves (but they may have meant those door angles, who knows).

SY thinks in large numbers that Madeleine might still be alive..

here is one example.. they are making a direct appeal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564056/500-000-payout-museum-boss-mental-trauma-paramedics-arriving-17-minutes-late-dislocated-knee-bus-home.html

and another is during the crimewatch when DCI Redwood says that there is no proof she is dead and she might as well be alive.

Today Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe  said ' The main thing we're all committed to is trying to find that little girl.' - Again feeling as if even the SY's boss thinks she is still alive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 12:31:19 AM
SY thinks in large numbers that Madeleine might still be alive..

here is one example.. they are making a direct appeal
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2564056/500-000-payout-museum-boss-mental-trauma-paramedics-arriving-17-minutes-late-dislocated-knee-bus-home.html

and another is during the crimewatch when DCI Redwood says that there is no proof she is dead and she might as well be alive.

Today Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe  said ' The main thing we're all committed to is trying to find that little girl.' - Again feeling as if even the SY's boss thinks she is still alive.

Thing is, Eddie didnt have a hidden agenda.

"Might be alive" is the same as "might not either".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 12:45:17 AM
Thing is, Eddie didnt have a hidden agenda.

"Might be alive" is the same as "might not either".

Eddie alerts (used to alert) both on death scent and dried blood.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm)

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They find, however, and give the alert for dried blood from a live human being.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 12:49:34 AM
Eddie alerts (used to alert) both on death scent and dried blood.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_RIGATORY.htm

So?

Traditionally not one single aspect or piece of evidence convicts, but a combination of things.

That combination of evidence, some of it circumstantial, proves their guilt without a reasonable doubt, in my humble opinion.  Or will prove their guilt, once SY arrest them.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 12:53:54 AM
So?

Traditionally not one single aspect or piece of evidence convicts, but a combination of things.

That combination of evidence, some of it circumstantial, proves their guilt without a reasonable doubt, in my humble opinion.  Or will prove their guilt, once SY arrest them.

That is you opinion, not a fact. Leave me alone.

These are CURRENT  facts:
Parents are not suspects, stated by both police forces currently working on the case.
There is no definite proof Madeleine is dead, she might as well be alive.
There is a direct call on the SY website to look at Madeleine face and report if you see her.
There are two police forces working on the case, currently having two different lines of inquiry and none of them is considering her parents as suspects,
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 01:12:01 AM
That is you opinion, not a fact. Leave me alone.

You started it.

These are CURRENT  facts: These are not facts, they are denials.

Parents are not suspects, stated by both police forces currently working on the case.
There is no definite proof Madeleine is dead, she might as well be alive.
There is a direct call on the SY website to look at Madeleine face and report if you see her.
There are two police forces working on the case, currently having two different lines of inquiry and none of them is considering her parents as suspects,

Lol. and you got this from what rag?

SY and their representatives might well be saying X, where the truth is Y.

Possible reasons -

they don't wish to reveal publicly which way the investigation is headed (imagine that)

there is a leak they wish to identify by supplying false information internally

they are saying a whole bunch of nothing to seem like they are clueless intentionally (my guess).

Andy Redmond getting on morning tv before the investigation had even started, and burbling some nonsense about a possibly alive Madeleine (of course she's possibly alive, no body found - she's probably not alive though) BEFORE Op Grange has even had its first cup of coffee, is actually either totally farcical or an attempt to distract.

The British public being what it is, distraction is apparently incredibly easy.  You all seem to have the analytical thinking of a goldfish.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 01:14:41 AM
Lol. and you got this from what rag?

SY and their representatives might well be saying X, where the truth is Y.

Possible reasons -

they don't wish to reveal publicly which way the investigation is headed (imagine that)

there is a leak they wish to identify by supplying false information internally

they are saying a whole bunch of nothing to seem like they are clueless intentionally (my guess).

Andy Redmond getting on morning tv before the investigation had even started, and burbling some nonsense about a possibly alive Madeleine (of course she's possibly alive, no body found - she's probably not alive though) BEFORE Op Grange has even had its first cup of coffee, is actually either totally farcical or an attempt to distract.

The British public being what it is, distraction is apparently incredibly easy.  You all seem to have the analytical thinking of a goldfish.

Oh, please!
What rag?
My summary is from the Guardain, from BBC crimewatch,  from live interivew of DCI Redwood which you can find on youtube and todays live interview of SY's boss.

And if you think that you might know more about policing and investigation than DCI Redwood and that you are even in a position to criticise him then you my dear need a psychological treatment..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 21, 2014, 01:22:11 AM

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe: I'm just going to... Let me just... let me just help. Where we are at the moment: We've sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese, errr... Judiciary, because that's the way their system works, and also with the police - we are working closely with them. Errm... obviously the Portuguese police have got a line of inquiry which is different to the Metropolitan Police's but we're working together to try and resolve that. Errm... we're trying our best to keep the family informed and I think in the middle of all this, quite often their torment gets lost. Have they lost a child or, errr... by being murdered or... sadly... or have they lost a child by someone else stealing them.
What do you think he intended to say ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 01:26:09 AM
Oh, please!
What rag?
My summary is from the Guardain, from BBC crimewatch,  from live interivew of DCI Redwood which you can find on youtube and todays live interview of SY's boss.

And if you think that you might know more about policing and investigation that DCI Redwood and than you are even in a position to criticise him then you my dead need a psychological treatment..

Where on earth did I criticise Andy?

I opined about his motivations.

Think of it...say in the framework of the OJ investigation.

Everyone thinks the fancy lawyers got in the way of the truth.  OJ did it.  He's now admitted it so it seems like a Miscarriage of Justice definitely occurred.

Now.  Imagine if the LAPD announced they are reopening the investigation.

The lead investigator appears on morning tv to announce the reopening.

While he's on there, he says "well, I dont think it was OJ".

Before the investigation has even begun....!!!!!

Would you cry for him to be replaced as biased?

Would you think he has no right to voice an opinion before he has announced the results of the investigation?

Or would you sit there and say "well that's that, he's innocent cos the talking head told me so"?

Analytical thinking never goes astray. 

What were AR's motives announcing his personal opinion on morning tv?  Logically, it follows that the powers that be would proceed to wind up the funding and the investigation itself, as Andys already decided M is playing a tambourine on a Moroccan street corner.

The opposite has occured.  The investigation is running fast now, in a particular direction, burglars notwithstanding.

The involvement of the CPS indicates a crime perpetrated by British Subjects in Portugal...not Portugese suspects, German, Morrocan, etc.

Andy's either a total dolt, a paid mouth, or he's being disingenous. 

I personally think he's way smarter than he appears.  I'm very happy with his tactics, especially when he blew Tannerman out of the water with the same mild half smile.




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 01:32:20 AM
Where on earth did I criticise Andy?

I opined about his motivations.

Think of it...say in the framework of the OJ investigation.

Everyone thinks the fancy lawyers got in the way of the truth.  OJ did it.  He's now admitted it so it seems like a Miscarriage of Justice definitely occurred.

Now.  Imagine if the LAPD announced they are reopening the investigation.

The lead investigator appears on morning tv to announce the reopening.

While he's on there, he says "well, I dont think it was OJ".

Before the investigation has even begun....!!!!!

Would you cry for him to be replaced as biased?

Would you think he has no right to voice an opinion before he has announced the results of the investigation?

Or would you sit there and say "well that's that, he's innocent cos the talking head told me so"?

Analytical thinking never goes astray. 

What were AR's motives announcing his personal opinion on morning tv?  Logically, it follows that the powers that be would proceed to wind up the funding and the investigation itself, as Andys already decided M is playing a tambourine on a Moroccan street corner.

The opposite has occured.  The investigation is running fast now, in a particular direction, burglars notwithstanding.

The involvement of the CPS

He's either a total dolt, a paid mouth, or he's being disingenous.

Sorry I am not into the world conspiracies..and I think everything in this world can be seen as a conspiracy if one want to see a conspiracy..

This case needs something completely opposite.

It needs finding a little girl, clarifying what happen to her and where she is.. for that a clear and unbiased mind is needed, separated from any ego trip.. the clear facts analysed by pure professionals who are dedicated to solving this task..

And I think this is what is happening right now.. both in the UK and Portugal!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 21, 2014, 01:38:26 AM
Sorry I am not into the world conspiracies..and I think everything in this world can be seen as a conspiracy if one want to see a conspiracy..

This case needs something completely opposite.

It needs finding a little girl, clarifying what happen to her and where she is.. for that a clear and unbiased mind is needed, separated from any ego trip.. the clear facts analysed by pure professionals who are dedicated to solving this task..

And I think this is what is happening right now.. both in the UK and Portugal!

Exactly.   And anyone who thinks SY and the PJ  are deliberately duping the public as part of some massive double bluff is being ridiculous IMO.     If that was the case not-one would ever believe a word they ever said again.   They would be blowing their own credibility as a police force out of the water for all time.  The whole idea is ludicrous.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 01:40:14 AM
Sorry I am not into the world conspiracies..and I think everything in this world can be seen as a conspiracy if one want to see a conspiracy..

This case needs something completely opposite.

It needs finding a little girl, clarifying what happen to her and where she is.. for that a clear and unbiased mind is needed, separated from any ego trip.. the clear facts analysed by pure professionals who are dedicated to solving this task..

And I think this is what is happening right now.. both in the UK and Portugal!

We can agree on that at least!

 8@??)(

She needs to be found, one way or another. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 01:46:28 AM
Exactly.   And anyone who thinks SY and the PJ  are deliberately duping the public as part of some massive double bluff is being ridiculous IMO.     If that was the case not-one would ever believe a word they ever said again.   They would be blowing their own credibility as a police force out of the water for all time.  The whole idea is ludicrous.

They've survived numerous PR disasters in recent years. What's one more?

They're rarely called upon to explain errors, by press or by parliament.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 01:51:08 AM
Exactly.   And anyone who thinks SY and the PJ  are deliberately duping the public as part of some massive double bluff is being ridiculous IMO.     If that was the case not-one would ever believe a word they ever said again.   They would be blowing their own credibility as a police force out of the water for all time.  The whole idea is ludicrous.

About as ludicrous as appearing on morning telly and saying "that impartial investigation we are going to do?  Well I already know what the answers going to be!

The funding would disappear within the hour.  No need!

Instead of opinions and Andy being cute, lets look at more recent statements -

We know they have more evidence, they've told us.
We know they have suspects and a rapidly moving case, they've told us.

Theyve also told us Tannerman is a load of bs and the only real efit is the one Team McCann suppressed/hid/did not publish/whatever, who happens to look just like Gerry (imagine that).

We know there are eyewitnesses who identified Gerry.

We know the CPS has requested Portugese assistance 3 times in as many weeks, but no arrests or even interviews were requested.

This ALONE indicates the perps are British. The case is already with the CPS who only prosecute within the UK.

We know the McCanns own libel trial has been inexplicably postponed, with no resumption in sight.  Team McCann dismissed their own witnesses.

Exciting times, I hope you're around when the cuffs go on so I can say "told you so!". 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 02:06:20 AM
About as ludicrous as appearing on morning telly and saying "that impartial investigation we are going to do?  Well I already know what the answers going to be!

The funding would disappear within the hour.  No need!

Instead of opinions and Andy being cute, lets look at more recent statements -

We know they have more evidence, they've told us.
We know they have suspects and a rapidly moving case, they've told us.

Theyve also told us Tannerman is a load of bs and the only real efit is the one Team McCann suppressed/hid/did not publish/whatever, who happens to look just like Gerry (imagine that).

We know there are eyewitnesses who identified Gerry.

We know the CPS has requested Portugese assistance 3 times in as many weeks, but no arrests or even interviews were requested.

This ALONE indicates the perps are British. The case is already with the CPS who only prosecute within the UK.

We know the McCanns own libel trial has been inexplicably postponed, with no resumption in sight.  Team McCann dismissed their own witnesses.

Exciting times, I hope you're around when the cuffs go on so I can say "told you so!". 8(0(*

Parents are not suspects. And lets stop there.. It is becoming boring! Gerry wasn't identified by 'witnesses'..the statement wasn't suppressed.. ..  who cares if the suspects British or Portuguese.. who cares anything except finding Madeleine.. and finding Madeleine is the only exciting thing in this case!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 02:21:27 AM
It seems SY wants access to bank accounts. Strangely enough since the LC refused PJ's access to the McCanns' accounts.
The LORs are a normal way to proceed among countries linked by judiciary assistance. I don't understand why BHH said that's the way their system works.
The trial is suspended by the still unresolved ward of court issue.
Both parties dismissed witnesses.

I don't think he meant anything by that's the way their system works, Anne. He'll be aware the knowledge of European judicial systems amongst most of the radio audience is near zero. That's all it was I think.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 21, 2014, 02:34:30 AM
I don't think he meant anything by that's the way their system works, Anne. He'll be aware the knowledge of European judicial systems amongst most of the radio audience is near zero. That's all it was I think.
I'm not convinced, it was easy to say that the European judiciary assistance works this way.
And I'm not convinced as well that the radio audience is ignorant.
Perhaps 8(0(* because I never watch TV but adore (a certain, the best of the world) radio.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on February 21, 2014, 02:51:31 AM
Parents are not suspects. And lets stop there.. It is becoming boring! Gerry wasn't identified by 'witnesses'..the statement wasn't suppressed.. ..  who cares if the suspects British or Portuguese.. who cares anything except finding Madeleine.. and finding Madeleine is the only exciting thing in this case!


Who told you the parents are not suspects?!

Do you have a private line to the Portuguese Attorney General or the PJ's National Director?

Last time they talked in public they announced a REOPENING of the previous investigation, which means that the former suspects are still suspects until there's a resolution of the case or a new archiving.

The McCann tried to push into the UK Media the idea that the archiving report exonerated them, but it didn't, it simply stated there was no evidence (sufficient or substantiated) to press charges.

They are not arguido now because they have not been called for interrogation or charged for any crime.

[....  moderated ....]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on February 21, 2014, 02:55:46 AM
Sir Bernard Hagan-Howe just made a....(was going to say made a fool of himself, but better not)

SY most senior was unfortunate on his attempt to pass the ball to Portugal.

Saying in public they had the names of the suspects was the kind of behaviour a responsible police never makes unless he has secured the victim.

What it tells us is that he knows there is no victim to rescue and what matters is to clean face after spending millions of taxpayers money and years of public patience.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on February 21, 2014, 09:15:38 AM
A gentle reminder that this thread is reserved for the  LATEST NEWS  on the search for Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 21, 2014, 11:04:54 AM
A gentle reminder that this thread is reserved for the  LATEST NEWS  on the search for Madeleine.

Good point Admin! What is the latest news? Is anyone actually searching?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 11:30:09 AM
I don't think he meant anything by that's the way their system works, Anne. He'll be aware the knowledge of European judicial systems amongst most of the radio audience is near zero. That's all it was I think.

I hadn't seen your comment when I posted, but that's my impression as well.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 01:56:22 PM
If Maddie turns up alive then the worst I have done is wrongly accused her parents.  (sh*t happens)

If she doesn't 'do a Lazarus' & no one is proven to have been involved in her disappearance then we won't know if I was wrong or right.

But what if Kate & Gerry did 'do it',

That could possibly mean the 'support group' have been complicit in harbouring a pair of crims, preventing lawful burial of a little girl, oh and fraud as well.

I know which one I find the worst.

We are not the inspectors or investigators. This case has the real ones. And the good ones.

If they say there is a possibilty of the child being alive, why not accept it?

You don't trust the expertise? You think you are better then them?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2014, 02:06:02 PM
Where on earth did I criticise Andy?

I opined about his motivations.

Think of it...say in the framework of the OJ investigation.

Everyone thinks the fancy lawyers got in the way of the truth.  OJ did it.  He's now admitted it so it seems like a Miscarriage of Justice definitely occurred.

Now.  Imagine if the LAPD announced they are reopening the investigation.

The lead investigator appears on morning tv to announce the reopening.

While he's on there, he says "well, I dont think it was OJ".

Before the investigation has even begun....!!!!!

Would you cry for him to be replaced as biased?

Would you think he has no right to voice an opinion before he has announced the results of the investigation?

Or would you sit there and say "well that's that, he's innocent cos the talking head told me so"?

Analytical thinking never goes astray. 

What were AR's motives announcing his personal opinion on morning tv?  Logically, it follows that the powers that be would proceed to wind up the funding and the investigation itself, as Andys already decided M is playing a tambourine on a Moroccan street corner.

The opposite has occured.  The investigation is running fast now, in a particular direction, burglars notwithstanding.

The involvement of the CPS indicates a crime perpetrated by British Subjects in Portugal...not Portugese suspects, German, Morrocan, etc.

Andy's either a total dolt, a paid mouth, or he's being disingenous. 

I personally think he's way smarter than he appears.  I'm very happy with his tactics, especially when he blew Tannerman out of the water with the same mild half smile.

you are wrong on this as well..in fact you are wrong on so many things
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 02:14:42 PM

Who told you the parents are not suspects?!

Do you have a private line to the Portuguese Attorney General or the PJ's National Director?

Last time they talked in public they announced a REOPENING of the previous investigation, which means that the former suspects are still suspects until there's a resolution of the case or a new archiving.


The McCann tried to push into the UK Media the idea that the archiving report exonerated them, but it didn't, it simply stated there was no evidence (sufficient or substantiated) to press charges.

They are not arguido now because they have not been called for interrogation or charged for any crime.

[....  moderated ....]

Some people kept insisting that the former arguidos would automatically regain that status once the case was reopened, which doesn't appear to be the case. At least that myth seems to have been cleared up.

The MP reopened the case on the basis of new, credible and pertinent information or leads that the Oporto team presented as a result of their own review. In view of judicial secrecy laws in Portugal, and all the embarrassing leaks to tabloids in the past, I doubt that the general public will have much more information until there is something concrete to announce.

NB: Incidentally, you never did answer my question concerning your post as to whether you could affirm that the person in the room during the Stuart Prior phone call "incident" (if it ever happened) who had told you about this incident understood English or not.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 02:18:57 PM
I'm not convinced, it was easy to say that the European judiciary assistance works this way.
And I'm not convinced as well that the radio audience is ignorant.
Perhaps 8(0(* because I never watch TV but adore (a certain, the best of the world) radio.

Again, but this time-consuming bureaucracy can sometimes be replaced by a JIT, as happened in the Alps massacre.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 02:19:12 PM
you are wrong on this as well..in fact you are wrong on so many things

Have you never been wrong about anything at any time in this case and on this forum?


 >@@(*&)


Eta
It might also help if you post why the poster was wrong on the CPS issue,whch you red hghlighted, you know, just for education and completeness,thanks
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2014, 02:34:03 PM
Have you never been wrong about anything at any time in this case and on this forum?


 >@@(*&)


Eta
It might also help if you post why the poster was wrong on the CPS issue,whch you red hghlighted, you know, just for education and completeness,thanks

The problem is that this poster is making so many statements that have already been discussed at length and shown to be false. I for on cant be bothered to cover the same ground again. If silly wants to believe things that are patently untrue then what the heck...it doesn't matter..

The cps don't have to travel to Portugal to have talks about investigating the McCanns ...the McCanns can be prosecuted in this country for serious crimes carried out abroad and certainly for fraud if the fund really was fraudulent. detectives could collect any necessary evidence in portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 03:23:30 PM
Where on earth did I criticise Andy?

I opined about his motivations.

Think of it...say in the framework of the OJ investigation.

Everyone thinks the fancy lawyers got in the way of the truth.  OJ did it.  He's now admitted it so it seems like a Miscarriage of Justice definitely occurred.

Now.  Imagine if the LAPD announced they are reopening the investigation.

The lead investigator appears on morning tv to announce the reopening.

While he's on there, he says "well, I dont think it was OJ".

Before the investigation has even begun....!!!!!

Would you cry for him to be replaced as biased?

Would you think he has no right to voice an opinion before he has announced the results of the investigation?

Or would you sit there and say "well that's that, he's innocent cos the talking head told me so"?

Analytical thinking never goes astray. 

What were AR's motives announcing his personal opinion on morning tv?  Logically, it follows that the powers that be would proceed to wind up the funding and the investigation itself, as Andys already decided M is playing a tambourine on a Moroccan street corner.

The opposite has occured.  The investigation is running fast now, in a particular direction, burglars notwithstanding.

The involvement of the CPS indicates a crime perpetrated by British Subjects in Portugal...not Portugese suspects, German, Morrocan, etc.


Andy's either a total dolt, a paid mouth, or he's being disingenous. 

I personally think he's way smarter than he appears.  I'm very happy with his tactics, especially when he blew Tannerman out of the water with the same mild half smile.

What brings you to that assumption?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 21, 2014, 03:23:45 PM
The problem is that this poster is making so many statements that have already been discussed at length and shown to be false. I for on cant be bothered to cover the same ground again. If silly wants to believe things that are patently untrue then what the heck...it doesn't matter..

The cps don't have to travel to Portugal to have talks about investigating the McCanns ...the McCanns can be prosecuted in this country for serious crimes carried out abroad and certainly for fraud if the fund really was fraudulent. detectives could collect any necessary evidence in portugal

There you go again !. The posters screen name is Silkywhiskers; if you want to abbreviate it then Silky would be appropriate rather than silly which is rather inflammatory not to mention bad mannered.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 03:30:30 PM
There you go again !. The posters screen name is Silkywhiskers; if you want to abbreviate it then Silky would be appropriate rather than silly which is rather inflammatory not to mention bad mannered.

Quite peurile too....I expect MR Davel wouldnt like his screenname to be changed to eg drivel

Well, if company directors of the No Stone Unturned Madeleine Fund do it, then some might get their lead and think its ok but it may have been a spelling mistake, both times






 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 03:32:58 PM
The problem is that this poster is making so many statements that have already been discussed at length and shown to be false. I for on cant be bothered to cover the same ground again. If silly wants to believe things that are patently untrue then what the heck...it doesn't matter..

The cps don't have to travel to Portugal to have talks about investigating the McCanns ...the McCanns can be prosecuted in this country for serious crimes carried out abroad and certainly for fraud if the fund really was fraudulent. detectives could collect any necessary evidence in portugal

You didnt answer my first question, as for your answer to the second, sorry, try again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 07:11:51 PM
I'm not convinced, it was easy to say that the European judiciary assistance works this way.
And I'm not convinced as well that the radio audience is ignorant.
Perhaps 8(0(* because I never watch TV but adore (a certain, the best of the world) radio.

I just meant the British radio audience, and specifically 5Live. Radio 4 would be a better, more knowledgeable lot altogether 8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 07:16:01 PM
I hadn't seen your comment when I posted, but that's my impression as well.

8((()*/

I think some people may be thinking the Commissioner was completely up to date with everything the Met team has been doing. He may not have been, so was perhaps bluffing it a bit. I doubt Op Grange is anywhere near the most important issue on his list (he has a long, contentious list).

Sometimes we may take these little snippets and sound bites too seriously, or too literally. In this case the sound bites predominate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2014, 07:17:18 PM
There you go again !. The posters screen name is Silkywhiskers; if you want to abbreviate it then Silky would be appropriate rather than silly which is rather inflammatory not to mention bad mannered.

having read the posts I think my abbreviation is spot on...still not convinced this poster is kosher
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 07:20:45 PM
having read the posts I think my abbreviation is spot on...still not convinced this poster is kosher

Whatever you say Mr Drivel


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2014, 07:23:39 PM
Whatever you say Mr Drivel

I'm thinking of changing my name ...any suggestions
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 07:28:12 PM
8((()*/

I think some people may be thinking the Commissioner was completely up to date with everything the Met team has been doing. He may not have been, so was perhaps bluffing it a bit. I doubt Op Grange is anywhere near the most important issue on his list (he has a long, contentious list).

Sometimes we may take these little snippets and sound bites too seriously, or too literally. In this case the sound bites predominate.

I also got the impression that he wasn't immediately sure what Operation Grange referred to. They would have quite a few on the go at any one time, presumably.

Am I wrong in thinking that this was a snippet out of a longer radio interview?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 07:29:20 PM
I'm thinking of changing my name ...any suggestions

Amusing that your tag line is "put an end to internet bullying".

You've already bullied me, and I've only been on the forum 2 days.

Folks in glass houses, etc.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 07:29:29 PM
I'm thinking of changing my name ...any suggestions

(http://s29.postimg.org/up4bg8n0n/drevil.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
I also got the impression that he wasn't immediately sure what Operation Grange referred to. They would have quite a few on the go at any one time, presumably.

Am I wrong in thinking that this was a snippet out of a longer radio interview?

Yes, it was. He has a lot on his plate of course.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 21, 2014, 07:31:40 PM
Amusing that your tag line is "put an end to internet bullying".

You've already bullied me, and I've only been on the forum 2 days.

Folks in glass houses, etc.

He did. I saw that.

Hypocrisy 8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 07:34:22 PM
So?

Traditionally not one single aspect or piece of evidence convicts, but a combination of things.

That combination of evidence, some of it circumstantial, proves their guilt without a reasonable doubt, in my humble opinion.  Or will prove their guilt, once SY arrest them.

Proves whose guilt, in your opinion? For what crime?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 07:37:38 PM
Proves whose guilt, in your opinion? For what crime?

OJ of course, arent we talking about him?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 07:39:32 PM
Amusing that your tag line is "put an end to internet bullying".

You've already bullied me, and I've only been on the forum 2 days.

Folks in glass houses, etc.

Ignore him he bullies and  or abuses most people who dont agree with his viewpoint
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 21, 2014, 07:40:47 PM
Ignore him he bullies and  or abuses most people who dont agree with his viewpoint

Which is just about everybody  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2014, 07:45:28 PM
Amusing that your tag line is "put an end to internet bullying".

You've already bullied me, and I've only been on the forum 2 days.

Folks in glass houses, etc.

I'm correcting the many false statements you are making...that's not bullying...you come on here and accuse the mccanns falsely...thats the type of cyber bullying I want to see stopped
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 07:47:58 PM
I'm correcting the many false statements you are making...that's not bullying...you come on here and accuse the mccanns falsely...thats the type of cyber bullying I want to see stopped

Changing people's ID's to something more amusing is bullying.

Telling someone they are making false statements when they're not, is bullying.

Sounds like you have some more reading to do.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 07:52:39 PM
Which is just about everybody  @)(++(*

Yeah mostly lol
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 09:45:02 PM
google translation:

Maddie's parents against two investigations
by Luis Fontes Today70 comments


Kate and Gerry McCann are unhappy with cooperation between British and Portuguese police.
The English police themselves will not be satisfied with the level of assistance provided by the Judicial Police and prosecutors.
This malaise, reported yesterday in the British press, is connected with the different targets chosen by each police. "We're not doing a joint investigation. Different investigations we are doing and this is not a game. Causes can be in a child's life," said a British police source told the Daily Star.
The McCanns are also critical of the duality of the investigations. According to a source close to the family, "cooperation between the two police forces is not happening as it should." "They are being made two surveys in two different countries in order to clarify what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Read more on e-paper of DN
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3698167
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 09:54:07 PM
google translation:

Maddie's parents against two investigations
by Luis Fontes Today70 comments


Kate and Gerry McCann are unhappy with cooperation between British and Portuguese police.
The English police themselves will not be satisfied with the level of assistance provided by the Judicial Police and prosecutors.
This malaise, reported yesterday in the British press, is connected with the different targets chosen by each police. "We're not doing a joint investigation. Different investigations we are doing and this is not a game. Causes can be in a child's life," said a British police source told the Daily Star.
The McCanns are also critical of the duality of the investigations. According to a source close to the family, "cooperation between the two police forces is not happening as it should." "They are being made two surveys in two different countries in order to clarify what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Read more on e-paper of DN
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3698167

LOL!

The ego of it all!

THEY are to blame for Madeleines disappearance, no one else.

They should be thankful LE is still helping them instead of criticising them, especially as Team McCann has done everything it can to derail the investigation.

Hahhahah who cares what Kate and Gerry's opinion of the investigation is? Anyone? @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 21, 2014, 10:02:42 PM
google translation:

Maddie's parents against two investigations
by Luis Fontes Today70 comments


Kate and Gerry McCann are unhappy with cooperation between British and Portuguese police.
The English police themselves will not be satisfied with the level of assistance provided by the Judicial Police and prosecutors.
This malaise, reported yesterday in the British press, is connected with the different targets chosen by each police. "We're not doing a joint investigation. Different investigations we are doing and this is not a game. Causes can be in a child's life," said a British police source told the Daily Star.
The McCanns are also critical of the duality of the investigations. According to a source close to the family, "cooperation between the two police forces is not happening as it should." "They are being made two surveys in two different countries in order to clarify what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Read more on e-paper of DN
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3698167

More rubbish then, next
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 21, 2014, 10:07:51 PM
Changing people's ID's to something more amusing is bullying.

Telling someone they are making false statements when they're not, is bullying.

Sounds like you have some more reading to do.

You have made several false statements..you have probably been posting on forums where everyone agrees with you and no one points out your mistakes
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 21, 2014, 10:10:22 PM
You have made several false statements..you have probably been posting on forums where everyone agrees with you and no one points out your mistakes

The case was ARCHIVED.

The current investigation is still ONGOING. It is not finalised, there are no arrests or convictions yet.

There is no such thing as a "false statement" when opinion is involved.

There is no resolution to this case yet so how on earth do YOU know what's false and what's not?  You apparently cant even read properly!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 10:13:46 PM
You have made several false statements..you have probably been posting on forums where everyone agrees with you and no one points out your mistakes

influx from websleuths.. it was recently closed for Madeleine comments.. due to similar posters..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 21, 2014, 11:03:56 PM
google translation:

Maddie's parents against two investigations
by Luis Fontes Today70 comments


Kate and Gerry McCann are unhappy with cooperation between British and Portuguese police.
The English police themselves will not be satisfied with the level of assistance provided by the Judicial Police and prosecutors.
This malaise, reported yesterday in the British press, is connected with the different targets chosen by each police. "We're not doing a joint investigation. Different investigations we are doing and this is not a game. Causes can be in a child's life," said a British police source told the Daily Star.
The McCanns are also critical of the duality of the investigations. According to a source close to the family, "cooperation between the two police forces is not happening as it should." "They are being made two surveys in two different countries in order to clarify what happened to Madeleine McCann.
Read more on e-paper of DN
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=3698167

What is the source for this header allegation that the McCanns have complained about the extent of police cooperation in this investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 21, 2014, 11:06:49 PM
What is the source for this header allegation that the McCanns have complained about the extent of police cooperation in this investigation?

someone 'close to them'  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 21, 2014, 11:47:30 PM
Ignore him he bullies and  or abuses most people who dont agree with his viewpoint
So says the Queen (or King) of bullying  !   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2014, 12:31:42 AM
What is the source for this header allegation that the McCanns have complained about the extent of police cooperation in this investigation?

It's the usual invisible imaginary friend of all reporters - an unnamed source.    IOW a load of made up sensationalism.

The article is a disgrace IMO.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 22, 2014, 12:34:29 AM
It's the usual invisible imaginary friend of all reporters - an unnamed source.    IOW a load of made up sensationalism.

The article is a disgrace IMO.

Yep about as disgraceful as

Murat
Gypsies
Posh Spice
Hewlett
Euclides
Bundleman
Pimpleman
Tannerman

 
all being accused by Team McCann.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 22, 2014, 12:36:43 AM
It's the usual invisible imaginary friend of all reporters - an unnamed source.    IOW a load of made up sensationalism.

The article is a disgrace IMO.

This article is a disgrace but the British one it's based on isn't? >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 22, 2014, 12:37:11 AM
Yep about as disgraceful as

Murat
Gypsies
Posh Spice
Hewlett
Euclides
Bundleman
Pimpleman
Tannerman

 
all being accused by Team McCann.

Wrong. Moreiro is a PJ scapegoat suspect.. and Hewlett was not worth living.. if you feel sorry for him then I have no words for you..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 22, 2014, 01:11:33 AM
Yes, it was. He has a lot on his plate of course.
He had time to add Hogan to Howe.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 22, 2014, 01:12:09 AM
He had time to add Hogan to Howe.

@)(++(* Nice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 22, 2014, 01:19:43 AM
It's the usual invisible imaginary friend of all reporters - an unnamed source.    IOW a load of made up sensationalism.

The article is a disgrace IMO.
The disgrace is the lost in translation syntax. The rest is home made, Benice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2014, 01:47:33 AM
The disgrace is the lost in translation syntax. The rest is home made, Benice.

IMO The disgrace is the suggestion that the McCanns have made any comment at all - let alone such an inflammatory one, when they have categorically stated that they will not be commenting on the case. 

Both they and SY must be totally frustrated that the press have increasingly ignored their pleas for restraint and responsible reporting.





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 22, 2014, 01:50:59 AM
IMO The disgrace is the suggestion that the McCanns have made any comment at all - let alone such an inflammatory one, when they have categorically stated that they will not be commenting on the case. 

Both they and SY must be totally frustrated that the press have increasingly ignored their pleas for restraint and responsible reporting.

Yep but the police kicked this wave off in the first week of January.

What has followed they may or may not be happy about, but they never say a word about it. Ever. That's the point.

Neither does TM.

That's why some people will assume they're happy with what goes on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2014, 01:55:45 AM
Yep but the police kicked this wave off in the first week of January.

What has followed they may or may not be happy about, but they never say a word about it. Ever. That's the point.

Neither does TM.

What can they say or do about it?   IMO Contrary to popular belief in some quarters the McCanns do not control the Press and neither do SY.

All the Press is doing at the moment IMO is proving that Lord Levesons's recommendations should have been implemented.




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 22, 2014, 02:02:28 AM
What can they say or do about it?   IMO Contrary to popular belief in some quarters the McCanns do not control the Press and neither do SY.

All the Press is doing at the moment IMO is proving that Lord Levesons's recommendations should have been implemented.

They do comment, pretty much in every article. But what they don't ever say is anything critical of anything the press do in those articles.

GM may do some PR for Hacked Off occasionally, but when they provide a quote for the great many articles published in the current wave of hype they don't ever indicate any hint at all that the hype isn't considered helpful.

That's why some people will believe they're not unhappy with it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 22, 2014, 02:11:46 AM
They do comment, pretty much in every article. But what they don't ever say is anything critical of anything the press do in those articles.

GM may do some PR for Hacked Off occasionally, but when they provide a quote for the great many articles published in the current wave of hype they don't ever indicate any hint at all that the hype isn't considered helpful.

That's why some people will believe they're not unhappy with it.

What proof do you have that the McCanns comment?    Any bona fide comments made by the McCanns come via Clarence Mitchell and his name is always quoted in those cases.

'Sources close to the McCanns' are not real people - it is a ploy used by reporters to bulk out articles to make them more sensational - with the sole aim of making people  buy the newspaper.

Didn't this latest articel emanate from THE STAR?  If so that says it all IMO.



 






Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 22, 2014, 02:35:00 AM
What proof do you have that the McCanns comment?    Any bona fide comments made by the McCanns come via Clarence Mitchell and his name is always quoted in those cases.

'Sources close to the McCanns' are not real people - it is a ploy used by reporters to bulk out articles to make them more sensational - with the sole aim of making people  buy the newspaper.

Didn't this latest articel emanate from THE STAR?  If so that says it all IMO.

I indicated what is strongly suggestive: the fact that outside the occasional Hacked Off PR no adverse comments are ever made. You neglected to explain that. This has been the pattern since the 2008 court agreements (and prior to that): comment in front of parliamentary committee, comment at Leveson, comment in Hacked Off PR - but never any adverse comment in any of the day-to-day articles.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 22, 2014, 03:04:40 AM
Yep but the police kicked this wave off in the first week of January.

What has followed they may or may not be happy about, but they never say a word about it. Ever. That's the point.

Neither does TM.

That's why some people will assume they're happy with what goes on.

IMO on that meeting with PJ and SY, McCanns were warned about the secrecy laws now the Portugal has opened the investigation.

IMO they were also told Madeleine life possibly now depends on this secrecy.. they wouldn't comment.. no way..

They may say this or that to friends, especially Gerry being a Gemini,  and friends say things to friends and this is how the journos get their reactions but IMO in general they won't comment.

On contrary, I expect SY to leak info IF  PJ doesn't react soon.. and this leak is going to be big.. this is just my intuition and the PJ knows this.. IMO there is a big leak on its way..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 22, 2014, 03:51:07 AM
Big hype more like.

You guys may be the only peeps who believe any of it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 22, 2014, 08:55:23 AM
Can anyone help me understand the CPS thing please?

I've read in numerous places now that their involvement indicates a British suspect, however, I don't know whether that's actually the case, or just 'wishful thinking' so to speak...

Do the CPS have a roll to play outside of UK suspects?

I'm not trying to be inflammatory by the way, I genuinely don't understand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2014, 09:16:22 AM
worth posting again..

you are continually asking posters to prove  a negative..read this and see if you understand...

A negative proof is a logical fallacy which takes the structure of:
X is true because there is no proof that X is false.
If the only evidence for something's existence is a lack of evidence for it not existing, then the default position is one of skepticism and not credulity. This type of negative proof is common in proofs of God's existence or in pseudosciences
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2014, 09:17:37 AM
Theres nothing wrong with using google..its like having  a massive library at your fingertips
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 22, 2014, 09:26:59 AM
Can anyone help me understand the CPS thing please?

I've read in numerous places now that their involvement indicates a British suspect, however, I don't know whether that's actually the case, or just 'wishful thinking' so to speak...

Do the CPS have a roll to play outside of UK suspects?

I'm not trying to be inflammatory by the way, I genuinely don't understand.

I find it a little confusing also.

The CPS is responsible for prosecutions within it's jurisdiction.

As far as I know that excludes Portugal....

However the Met have said they are 'investigating the 'abduction' as if it happened in the UK'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 22, 2014, 09:32:14 AM
I find it a little confusing also.

The CPS is responsible for prosecutions within it's jurisdiction.

As far as I know that excludes Portugal....

However the Met have said they are 'investigating the 'abduction' as if it happened in the UK'.

I find it very interesting.  In fact very encouraging.  ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2014, 09:36:29 AM
I find it very interesting.  In fact very encouraging.  ?>)()<

No one is clear it would appear so should not be making false claims...my understanding is that the cps are involved in the rogatory letters
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 22, 2014, 09:55:05 AM
I noticed it was missing too.  Just a truncated version left   Why?

Such a profound piece too.



Is it considered that the average reader on here would not be able to work out its meaning?

Stephen didn't have an answer for it, did he?  I wonder why?

Oh sadie.

Can't you remember or didn't you notice.

It was what davel referred to as a fact ?

Meanwhile I'm waiting in anticipation for your next theory. 8)-)))

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 22, 2014, 09:58:52 AM
Oh sadie.

Can't you remember or didn't you notice.

It was what davel referred to as a fact ?

Meanwhile I'm waiting in anticipation for your next theory. 8)-)))

Good, good

Wont be long, I expect.  Time permitting.  Am still up to my neck with problems in real life but some easing .....

Btw, you still haven't taken up on davels post, now removed, but repeated in smaller print in a quotation.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Serendipity on February 22, 2014, 10:47:23 AM
I find it a little confusing also.

The CPS is responsible for prosecutions within it's jurisdiction.

As far as I know that excludes Portugal....

However the Met have said they are 'investigating the 'abduction' as if it happened in the UK'.

Unless the CPS have invoked Section 9 of the Offences Against the Person Act 1861 - 'A British subject can be indicted for murder or manslaughter in England and Wales even when he commits the offence outside the jurisdiction. The nationality of the victim is immaterial: section 9 Offences against the Person Act 1861.'

Source https://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/h_to_k/homicide_murder_and_manslaughter/

The ILOR's may well just be them looking to speak to Portuguese POIs as witnesses against possible British suspects.

(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7427/12693058875_41e9038611_b.jpg)


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 22, 2014, 06:46:28 PM
Can anyone help me understand the CPS thing please?

I've read in numerous places now that their involvement indicates a British suspect, however, I don't know whether that's actually the case, or just 'wishful thinking' so to speak...

Do the CPS have a roll to play outside of UK suspects?

I'm not trying to be inflammatory by the way, I genuinely don't understand.

Here it is -

The CPS is the link between the police and the courts.

They assist in an investigation but only from a legal standpoint.

The actual investigation is driven by LE.  Once they feel they have a case they present it to the CPS who then go into the details to ensure the case is sound.

In this case we know the CPS are the ones who sent the Letters of Request.

We also know those letters had no requests to arrest or even to interview.

This in turn implies that the questioning has already been completed by the Brits, to the point the Prosecutors office is involved.

Who has ALREADY been questioned by the British police in this affair?

That is where the "names" are - with the British police, in the UK.  British subjects already interviewed...hmmm....I wonder who!!!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 22, 2014, 06:54:18 PM
Here it is -

The CPS is the link between the police and the courts.

They assist in an investigation but only from a legal standpoint.

The actual investigation is driven by LE.  Once they feel they have a case they present it to the CPS who then go into the details to ensure the case is sound.

In this case we know the CPS are the ones who sent the Letters of Request.

We also know those letters had no requests to arrest or even to interview.

This in turn implies that the questioning has already been completed by the Brits, to the point the Prosecutors office is involved.

Who has ALREADY been questioned by the British police in this affair?

That is where the "names" are - with the British police, in the UK.  British subjects already interviewed...hmmm....I wonder who!!!!

I would add a bit. If a crime of murder or manslaughter is committed on foreign soil by a British national the case can be tried in UK in which case the foreign police force would be required to provide info.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2014, 07:02:18 PM
Would I be right in assuming that this could only occur if the 'foreign' court decided not to prosecute ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 22, 2014, 07:13:10 PM
Would I be right in assuming that this could only occur if the 'foreign' court decided not to prosecute ?

I am not sure about that. I think we can pull rank in the case of murder and manslaughter by a UK citizen regardless of what the foreign judiciary may want. Mind you in this case I'd be happy to shove it off my pitch; no possibility of any one yelling "foul" then is there? 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 22, 2014, 07:16:13 PM
Would I be right in assuming that this could only occur if the 'foreign' court decided not to prosecute ?

No.

A crime is a crime regardless of how another country views it.  Either or both can prosecute. 

BUT - the CPS does not involve itself with crimes committed outside its own jurisdiction by foreign nationals.

Their involvement at this "rapidly progressing" stage implies that the perps are British.




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 22, 2014, 07:17:37 PM
I am not sure about that. I think we can pull rank in the case of murder and manslaughter by a UK citizen regardless of what the foreign judiciary may want. Mind you in this case I'd be happy to shove it off my pitch; no possibility of any one yelling "foul" then is there? 8(0(*

Oh, I'm sure that if that were to occur, British police would suddenly  be deemed as corrupt as those of 'Johnny Foreigner'
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 22, 2014, 07:24:36 PM
No.

A crime is a crime regardless of how another country views it.  Either or both can prosecute. 

BUT - the CPS does not involve itself with crimes committed outside its own jurisdiction by foreign nationals.

Their involvement at this "rapidly progressing" stage implies that the perps are British.

But not The McCanns.  So possibly there is a British suspect.  However, we do have to consider that Madeleine is a British Citizen agains whom a crime has been committed.
Never underestimate the rights of British Citizens, especially those who are Wards of Court.
British Citizens have Rights of Passage and a right to be protected.  Even against The Portuguese.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 22, 2014, 07:34:53 PM
Yes, the McCann's!

Lol! ! Who else?   They are the only British POIs!

Its as plain as the nose on your face.

This statement shows everyone that your reasoning is way off...I would be very surprised if ONE person on this forum agrees with you
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 22, 2014, 08:37:23 PM
Thank you all for the clarification, you're all very kind.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 22, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
Thank you all for the clarification, you're all very kind.  ?{)(**

Looks around to see which interlopers Cariad is addressing  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 22, 2014, 11:28:44 PM
Correio Da Manha 22/02/2014

Maddie Case: The McCanns give orders to the Judicial Police.

Parents of Madeleine suggest that the Portuguese police investigate along with the English.

After pressure from the British police, came the turn of the McCanns criticize the research work of the Judicial Police (PJ) and further cooperation between British and Portuguese authorities.

As the CM had already reported, the relationship between the British police and PJ started to get tense when Scotland Yard sent a third letter rogatory, a time that had not yet been completed the steps contained in the second judicial order.  The CM knows that many of the investigations, including interrogations, searches and analysis of bank accounts can not be authorized by the Public Prosecutor.

The British police, who opened a funded by the parents of Madeleine, who disappeared in May 2007 in the Algarve research, ensures that already has the names of three suspects.

On the other hand, PJ Harbour, who heads the investigation reopened in Portugal, following use, other than the parents of missing British child most like line.

According to British media, the McCanns say it's "frustrating" to see that cooperation between the two police forces "is not as it should be."  And pushing for a single investigation is made.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/caso-maddie-os-mccann-dao-ordens-a-policia-judiciaria
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 23, 2014, 12:43:12 AM
Burglary files to aid hunt for Madeleine McCann

A SECRET dossier on burglars on the Algarve in Portugal is being shown to Scotland Yard detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By: James Murray and Tracey KandohiaPublished: Sun, February 23, 2014
  0Comments


Portuguese police have kept the confidential file for years following a spate of break-ins in and around Praia da Luz, the resort from where Madeleine disappeared when she was three in May 2007.

Children were abused during some burglaries.

A businesswoman renting villas in the area confirmed: “Police have a special file on burglars operating in the area. Most of them are Portuguese and Romanian gypsies.

“Burglars go anywhere and ­everywhere in Luz and normally break in during the middle of the night when you’re asleep.

“Burglars come in and steal your stuff and sometimes you don’t know about it until you wake up in the morning.”

The woman, who does not wish to be named, said from her office in Lagos, four miles from Luz: “It’s been going on for years, well before Madeleine disappeared. Police here are aware of the problem but the public aren’t aware.” Yard detectives to whom the Portuguese break-ins dossier is being made available are reported to be focusing on three burglars who targeted people in Luz.

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe disclosed last week how his officers and Portugal’s Policia Judiciaria are moving towards a joint investigation team and have the names of suspects.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, of Rothley, Leicestershire, believe their daughter, who would now be aged 10, could still be alive.

'It’s been going on for years, well before Madeleine disappeared'
A local businesswoman


Former GP Kate, 45, revealed in her book about Madeleine’s abduction that she had discovered five cases of British children being sexually attacked in their beds while on holiday.

She wrote: “It broke my heart to read the terrible accounts of devastated parents and the experiences of their poor children.

“British tourists in holiday accommodation were being targeted. It is so hard not to scream from the rooftops about how these crimes appear to have been brushed under the carpet.”

One British mother claims kidnappers may have tried to take her own young daughter just six weeks before Madeleine disappeared.

She claims that while she was staying at Montechoro, near Albufeira, 30 miles from Luz, a scruffy migrant from the former Soviet Union spiked her drink then tried to take her one-year-old blonde daughter to a getaway car.

The 30-year-old woman said: “It was terrifying, like something out of a film. I’ve given a statement to Scotland Yard and they are arranging to interview me again.

“I’ll do anything I can to help. I can’t be the only mum who has had a near-miss.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/461320/Burglary-files-to-aid-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 23, 2014, 12:46:05 AM
Oh dear more dross for the week
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 23, 2014, 12:54:25 AM
Oh yes the "spate"of burglaries.

You do realise that a 100% increase in burglaries in PDL means 2 breakins instead of one?

But don't let the facts get in the way!

This incredibly successful team of thieves successfully stole a child then never repeated the action in the 7 years since?

The ease with which Madeleine was "taken" should have inspired a "spate" of child stealing but look! Only Madeleine in the years before or since.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 23, 2014, 01:29:20 AM
Oh yes the "spate"of burglaries.

You do realise that a 100% increase in burglaries in PDL means 2 breakins instead of one?

But don't let the facts get in the way!


This incredibly successful team of thieves successfully stole a child then never repeated the action in the 7 years since?

The ease with which Madeleine was "taken" should have inspired a "spate" of child stealing but look! Only Madeleine in the years before or since.


Can you cite the evidence that 100% increase in break-ins in PdL means 2 break-ins - which you have just claimed as a fact?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 23, 2014, 01:34:15 AM

Can you cite the evidence that 100% increase in break-ins in PdL means 2 break-ins - which you have just claimed as a fact?
It's a metonymy, Benice !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 23, 2014, 01:37:09 AM

Can you cite the evidence that 100% increase in break-ins in PdL means 2 break-ins - which you have just claimed as a fact?

Absolutely!

The minute you provide evidence of the "spate"!

BTW I dont consider the British media a reliable source, something from the PJ thanks.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on February 23, 2014, 01:48:01 AM
Absolutely!

The minute you provide evidence of the "spate"!

BTW I dont consider the British media a reliable source, something from the PJ thanks.

Come on SWiskers.  You can do better than that  ... surely?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 23, 2014, 01:54:44 AM
Come on SWiskers.  You can do better than that  ... surely?

Why should I?  You're clearly not interested in facts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 23, 2014, 03:00:10 AM
Correio Da Manha 22/02/2014

Maddie Case: The McCanns give orders to the Judicial Police.

Parents of Madeleine suggest that the Portuguese police investigate along with the English.

After pressure from the British police, came the turn of the McCanns criticize the research work of the Judicial Police (PJ) and further cooperation between British and Portuguese authorities.

As the CM had already reported, the relationship between the British police and PJ started to get tense when Scotland Yard sent a third letter rogatory, a time that had not yet been completed the steps contained in the second judicial order.  The CM knows that many of the investigations, including interrogations, searches and analysis of bank accounts can not be authorized by the Public Prosecutor.

The British police, who opened a funded by the parents of Madeleine, who disappeared in May 2007 in the Algarve research, ensures that already has the names of three suspects.

On the other hand, PJ Harbour, who heads the investigation reopened in Portugal, following use, other than the parents of missing British child most like line.

According to British media, the McCanns say it's "frustrating" to see that cooperation between the two police forces "is not as it should be."  And pushing for a single investigation is made.

http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/caso-maddie-os-mccann-dao-ordens-a-policia-judiciaria

IMO the wording in this article is wrong.. hope they change the heading.. it is not good Madeleine, and not good for anyone..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 23, 2014, 03:02:24 AM
It's a metonymy, Benice !

If that means it's a downright lie - I'd agree with you Anne.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on February 23, 2014, 03:05:14 AM
Absolutely!

The minute you provide evidence of the "spate"!

BTW I dont consider the British media a reliable source, something from the PJ thanks.

I'll take that as a NO then.    How predictable.



   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 23, 2014, 10:16:21 PM
Burglars story still being pushed with added sinister connotations. AND a businesswoman knows what is in the secret PJ files? How?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565955/Maddie-police-shown-secret-Portuguese-dossier-spate-burglaries-area-went-missing.html


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 23, 2014, 10:22:19 PM
Burglars story still being pushed with added sinister connotations. AND a businesswoman knows what is in the secret PJ files? How?


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565955/Maddie-police-shown-secret-Portuguese-dossier-spate-burglaries-area-went-missing.html

Not a thing that's new in these articles is there. Mitchell said the press should have got a green award for recycling in 2007. They're obviously trying to win it again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 23, 2014, 10:27:24 PM
Not a thing that's new in these articles is there. Mitchell said the press should have got a green award for recycling in 2007. They're obviously trying to win it again.

I had never read that before, so googled for it, oh the bloody irony


http://www.communicationethics.net/journal/v5n1-2/v5n1-2_feat1.pdf
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 23, 2014, 10:50:07 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/qAXurLh.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 23, 2014, 10:53:42 PM
http://i.imgur.com/7LKH7Cf.jpg

If I ever doubted the papers were taking the micky, I no longer do!!!

Its quite embarrassing really.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 23, 2014, 10:57:56 PM
If I ever doubted the papers were taking the micky, I no longer do!!!

Its quite embarrassing really.

IMO Madeleine has become a marketing tool..

In a way it is good.. everyone remembers she hasn't been found and everyone is subconsciously looking.. and everyone is subconsciously aware to be careful when on holiday with children..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 23, 2014, 11:18:31 PM
Re secret file.. if it exists as papers claim then it is good.. it can be published..  8)--)) so we have more things to write about  @)(++(* and we can build enormous conspiracies about all these bad guys ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 23, 2014, 11:21:09 PM
IMO Madeleine has become a marketing tool..

In a way it is good.. everyone remembers she hasn't been found and everyone is subconsciously looking.. and everyone is subconsciously aware to be careful when on holiday with children..

I had my children 20 years ago and i watched them like hawks.  I didn't need a lesson from Kate on childcare to be vigilant and protective and neither does anyone else with a working brain..  It is instinct.

Don't try to turn this mess into some sort of Warning for the Incompetent.  We don't need to be told to look after our babies thanks very much.

The rest of us would never DREAM of b....ring off leaving our babies to cry alone while we hit the cans with our mates.

Only subhumans do that.  Even bloody rats look after their babies better than this crew did.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on February 24, 2014, 01:45:17 AM
pfhht

The only  files  that have been  'kept secret'  ( at least from the British public  )   are the Portuguese police files  ! 

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 24, 2014, 11:56:50 AM
Do journalists actually check the accuracy of their stories or do they just dont give a damn and write anythng??

Jerry Lawton, sloppy!!


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366888/Hope-for-Madeleine-McCann-case-as-cops-are-given-vital-clues


One 30-year-old Brit mum claims a scruffy migrant from the former Soviet Union tried to snatch her one-year-old blonde daughter from her holiday apartment 30 miles away in Montechoro six weeks before Madeleine vanished.

No, Jerry, learn to read, it was from a restaraunt!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

Cant get the staff these days!

of course it seems to be all it serves is the idea being generated that alledged burglars around the algarve were attempting to kidnap kids from their beds, what with the other story the other week of an intruder caught "heading for a cot" and and other found "peering into a cot"


Anyne could be excused for cynically thnking there is some agenda going on here!


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2014, 12:18:42 PM

Scotland Yard given secret dossier in investigation of missing girl Madeleine McCann

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/02/23/scotland-yard-given-secret-dossier-in-investigation-missing-girl-madeleine/


Hope for Madeleine McCann case as cops are given vital clues

A SECRET dossier on burglars who operate near where Madeleine McCann vanished has been handed to police.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366888/Hope-for-Madeleine-McCann-case-as-cops-are-given-vital-clues


Madeleine police shown secret Portuguese dossier on spate of burglaries in the area where she went missing

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2565955/Maddie-police-shown-secret-Portuguese-dossier-spate-burglaries-area-went-missing.html


Madeleine McCann investigation: Hope of breakthrough as 'cops handed secret dossier'

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-hope-breakthrough-3178139

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2014, 12:43:24 PM
Do journalists actually check the accuracy of their stories or do they just dont give a damn and write anythng??

Jerry Lawton, sloppy!!


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366888/Hope-for-Madeleine-McCann-case-as-cops-are-given-vital-clues


One 30-year-old Brit mum claims a scruffy migrant from the former Soviet Union tried to snatch her one-year-old blonde daughter from her holiday apartment 30 miles away in Montechoro six weeks before Madeleine vanished.

No, Jerry, learn to read, it was from a restaraunt!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

Cant get the staff these days!

of course it seems to be all it serves is the idea being generated that alledged burglars around the algarve were attempting to kidnap kids from their beds, what with the other story the other week of an intruder caught "heading for a cot" and and other found "peering into a cot"


Anyne could be excused for cynically thnking there is some agenda going on here!


of course it seems to be all it serves is the idea being generated that alledged burglars around the algarve were attempting to kidnap kids from their beds, what with the other story the other week of an intruder caught "heading for a cot" and and other found "peering into a cot"


Anyne could be excused for cynically thnking there is some agenda going on here!



Madeleine McCann: Cops probing claims a kidnapper tried to snatch another British tot from holiday flat in Portugal

A MUM has told Scotland Yard how she chased an intruder away from her Algarve apartment after she found him heading towards her child’s cot
 
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-probing-claims-3117225


That one really was just complete fairytale nonsense.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 12:55:00 PM
Upppps.. Portuguese made up a secret file of foreign burglars causing break ins..

OC workers can breathe now..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 24, 2014, 01:12:37 PM
Upppps.. Portuguese made up a secret file of foreign burglars causing break ins..

OC workers can breathe now..

A businesswoman says......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 01:22:57 PM
Do journalists actually check the accuracy of their stories or do they just dont give a damn and write anythng??

Jerry Lawton, sloppy!!


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/366888/Hope-for-Madeleine-McCann-case-as-cops-are-given-vital-clues


One 30-year-old Brit mum claims a scruffy migrant from the former Soviet Union tried to snatch her one-year-old blonde daughter from her holiday apartment 30 miles away in Montechoro six weeks before Madeleine vanished.

No, Jerry, learn to read, it was from a restaraunt!!

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mum-claims-madeleine-mccann-kidnappers-3127121

Cant get the staff these days!

of course it seems to be all it serves is the idea being generated that alledged burglars around the algarve were attempting to kidnap kids from their beds, what with the other story the other week of an intruder caught "heading for a cot" and and other found "peering into a cot"


Anyne could be excused for cynically thnking there is some agenda going on here!

In the absence of a scoop, tabloid hacks copy from each other and rephrase a few sentences to file their piece. Nothing new there. They don't have time to check facts. How are you supposed to write a piece and fact check it if you have up to 9 pieces on different subjects to file in a day?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 01:36:44 PM
IMO 'secret files' are the media bait.carefully made up by PR..

The media is supposed to write there are files proving it was foreign people who caused the crime, not the locals..

Imagine two headlines on the front pages of all world's papers..

One is:
'Finally Maddie case solved: it was local OC workers who sold Maddie'

The second is:
' Maddie case solved: Eastern European gangs stole Maddlie'

...and what impact on tourism both headlines all around the world would cause..

I am saying.. it is all politics now..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 01:42:20 PM
IMO 'secret files' are the media bait.carefully made up by PR..

The media is supposed to write there are files proving it was foreign people who caused the crime, not the locals..

Imagine two headlines on the front pages of all world's papers..

One is:
'Finally Maddie case solved: it was local OC workers who sold Maddie'

The second is:
' Maddie case solved: Eastern European gangs stole Maddlie'

...and what impact on tourism both headlines all around the world would cause..

I am saying.. it is all politics now..

I doubt that any of the tabloids have a clue, but will appeal to their respective xenophobic readerships to increase sales or online footfall.

In the meantime, I hope that the investigation is progressing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 01:48:58 PM
I doubt that any of the tabloids have a clue, but will appeal to their respective xenophobic readerships to increase sales or online footfall.

In the meantime, I hope that the investigation is progressing.

I too hope and believe that the investigators are dedicated and professional.

But you cannot escape politics from the news headlines..unless you have DCI Redwood speaking directly and being recorded on video...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 24, 2014, 01:59:30 PM
I doubt that any of the tabloids have a clue, but will appeal to their respective xenophobic readerships to increase sales or online footfall.

In the meantime, I hope that the investigation is progressing.

Reading The Mail on line 23/2/14 seems like the didikais and east European migrant workers are back in the frame. Methinks the hacks made a cock up and slipped in a cut and paste from a Boston Lincs. newspaper.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 24, 2014, 06:11:55 PM
Reading The Mail on line 23/2/14 seems like the didikais and east European migrant workers are back in the frame. Methinks the hacks made a cock up and slipped in a cut and paste from a Boston Lincs. newspaper.

There seems to be no problem suggesting Ben  Needham was taken by gypsies but its verboten re the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 06:38:08 PM
Reading The Mail on line 23/2/14 seems like the didikais and east European migrant workers are back in the frame. Methinks the hacks made a cock up and slipped in a cut and paste from a Boston Lincs. newspaper.

Well, the Mail does have a tendency to blame any non WASP for all the ills of the world, so that doesn't really surprise me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 06:41:00 PM
I too hope and believe that the investigators are dedicated and professional.

But you cannot escape politics from the news headlines..unless you have DCI Redwood speaking directly and being recorded on video...

Of course politics influence the tabloids, and vice versa, whatever the issue.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2014, 06:46:12 PM
There is nothing to say that Gypsies aren't involved.  A Gypsy offered to buy Hewlett's daughter.  Allegedly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on February 24, 2014, 08:05:58 PM
The latest news on the McCann case is that there are no news.

The papers continue to feed the less informed public with made up trash. Any journalist worthy of that title must feel very ashamed by the way the UK Media has turned from informing to being a PR agency.

Nothing that has been published on the last months, about this case is based on factual confirmed evidence.

Exception was the miserable performance by Sir B. Howe, known for heading the McCann balloon campaign in PDL.
I guess that anyone that has a minimum of information about the case understood that he was trying to save face for SY, miserably.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on February 24, 2014, 08:10:27 PM
Sir Bernard H-H stating that SY knows the names of the abductors was the most absurd statement that he could produce.

How can he explain that if they know who those alleged abductors are they haven't yet rescued the child?! What are they waiting for?

For the Portuguese to act?!  @)(++(* Come on.

RIDICULOUS
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 08:13:56 PM
The latest news on the McCann case is that there are no news.

The papers continue to feed the less informed public with made up trash. Any journalist worthy of that title must feel very ashamed by the way the UK Media has turned from informing to being a PR agency.

Nothing that has been published on the last months, about this case is based on factual confirmed evidence.


Exception was the miserable performance by Sir B. Howe, known for heading the McCann balloon campaign in PDL.
I guess that anyone that has a minimum of information about the case understood that he was trying to save face for SY, miserably.

Are the Portuguese tabloids any better?

When there's an update, fine. If there's a need to appeal to the public, fine. Otherwise, the police should be left to get on with their job.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 08:16:29 PM
Sir Bernard H-H stating that SY knows the names of the abductors was the most absurd statement that he could produce.

How can he explain that if they know who those alleged abductors are they haven't yet rescued the child?! What are they waiting for?

For the Portuguese to act?!  @)(++(* Come on.

RIDICULOUS

Where did he state that he knew the name of the alleged abductors?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 24, 2014, 09:12:31 PM
Are the Portuguese tabloids any better?

When there's an update, fine. If there's a need to appeal to the public, fine. Otherwise, the police should be left to get on with their job.
Carana, could you name those supposed PT tabloidS ? And have you already hold one ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 24, 2014, 09:14:02 PM
Where did he state that he knew the name of the alleged abductors?
Luz means the "persons of interest".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 24, 2014, 09:16:41 PM
Luz means the "persons of interest".

Yes, 'Hulk' said suspects, but the papers interpreted that as abductors.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 24, 2014, 09:22:26 PM
Yes, 'Hulk' said suspects, but the papers interpreted that as abductors.
Why is he called "Hulk" ? Isn't Hulk a sort of green giant of comics (I had one for ages on top of the bannister).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 24, 2014, 09:25:05 PM
In the absence of a scoop, tabloid hacks copy from each other and rephrase a few sentences to file their piece. Nothing new there. They don't have time to check facts. How are you supposed to write a piece and fact check it if you have up to 9 pieces on different subjects to file in a day?

If Lawton "copied" thats fine
Rephrasing sentences is not  the same as changing "facts" from the original, ie attempted abduction from a restaurant to attempted abduction from the holiday apartment!




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 24, 2014, 09:28:03 PM
Why is he called "Hulk" ? Isn't Hulk a sort of green giant of comics (I had one for ages on top of the bannister).

Hulk Hogan was an American Wrestler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Hogan

We could also call him 'Paul' or 'Crocodile Dundee' but that would not be as amusing as 'Hulk' IMO

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 24, 2014, 09:59:18 PM
If Lawton "copied" thats fine
Rephrasing sentences is not  the same as changing "facts" from the original, ie attempted abduction from a restaurant to attempted abduction from the holiday apartment!

It may not even be the hack's fault. They just hand in their copy. An editor or a sub could choose to change part of the text.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 24, 2014, 10:03:38 PM
It may not even be the hack's fault. They just hand in their copy. An editor or a sub could choose to change part of the text.

the point remains why it was changed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 24, 2014, 10:53:34 PM
It may not even be the hack's fault. They just hand in their copy. An editor or a sub could choose to change part of the text.
No, much too risky. A "factwriter" can always argue his source got it wrong or that he genuinely thought it was right, but an editor can't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 24, 2014, 10:56:33 PM
Hulk Hogan was an American Wrestler

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hulk_Hogan

We could also call him 'Paul' or 'Crocdile Dundee' but that would not be as amusing as 'Hulk' IMO
?{)(**
Thank you, Wonderfulspam !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on February 24, 2014, 11:02:10 PM
Sir Bernard H-H stating that SY knows the names of the abductors was the most absurd statement that he could produce.

How can he explain that if they know who those alleged abductors are they haven't yet rescued the child?! What are they waiting for?

For the Portuguese to act?!  @)(++(* Come on.

RIDICULOUS

Perhaps they are waiting for the abductor to return the child, like The PJ did in Madeira, according to you.
And it worked oh my God.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 11:06:17 PM
Sir Bernard H-H stating that SY knows the names of the abductors was the most absurd statement that he could produce.

How can he explain that if they know who those alleged abductors are they haven't yet rescued the child?! What are they waiting for?

For the Portuguese to act?!  @)(++(* Come on.

RIDICULOUS

Yes, for the PJ to act..
Otherwise they have the other choice.. 'to leak' the names to the papers..  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 24, 2014, 11:14:33 PM
Yes, for the PJ to act..
Otherwise they have the other choice.. 'to leak' the names to the papers..  8)--))

Pervert the course of justice you mean?

>@@(*&)

Naughty.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 11:19:30 PM
Pervert the course of justice you mean?

>@@(*&)

Naughty.

But imagine what that would cause. Some papers wouldn't mind being sued... And the internet is a powerful weapon.
The news would quickly go around the world..the damage would be enormous..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 24, 2014, 11:22:50 PM
But imagine what that would cause. Some papers wouldn't mind being sued... And the internet is a powerful weapon.
The news would quickly go around the world..the damage would be enormous..

I doubt it because there's not many of you who believe it 8(0(*

Most people out there follow the case because they can't believe how absurd it's got, not because they believe the hype.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 24, 2014, 11:25:15 PM
I doubt it because there's not many of you who believe it 8(0(*

Most people out there follow the case because they can't believe how absurd it's got, not because they believe the hype.

I find it very worrying that the McCann has been able to whitewash themselves so effectively.

Or do I mean, censor criticism?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 11:28:10 PM
I doubt it because there's not many of you who believe it 8(0(*

Most people out there follow the case because they can't believe how absurd it's got, not because they believe the hype.

Most of the people in the world don't care.. and they believe their morning news and then forget about it..

But naming OC workers would make a mark in their mind and form a negative opinion.. all around the world.. I'd call it a marketing stamp..

I have seen it already.. I have a friend abroad who doesn't speak English and who doesn't follow Madeleine' case.
He emailed me once strongly believing Madeleine was taken by Monteiro.. and that was the only news he read about Madeleine in years, because their country usually doesn't report on Madeleine much..

I had to tell him there were many Monteiro's in this case.. but he did not believe me.. he believed his home paper story more than me.. and he still believes it..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 24, 2014, 11:31:22 PM
Most of the people in the world don't care.. and they believe their morning news and then forget about it..

But naming OC workers would make a mark in their mind and form a negative opinion.. all around the world.. I'd call it a marketing stamp..

>@@(*&) You'll be in the dock yourself too if you're not careful @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 11:33:56 PM
>@@(*&) You'll be in the dock yourself too if you're not careful @)(++(*

I am just explaining the principles of media and how the news travel..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 24, 2014, 11:42:00 PM
Most of the people in the world don't care.. and they believe their morning news and then forget about it..

But naming OC workers would make a mark in their mind and form a negative opinion.. all around the world.. I'd call it a marketing stamp..

I have seen it already.. I have a friend abroad who doesn't speak English and who doesn't follow Madeleine' case.
He emailed me once strongly believing Madeleine was taken by Monteiro.. and that was the only news he read about Madeleine in years, because their country usually doesn't report on Madeleine much..

I had to tell him there were many Monteiro's in this case.. but he did not believe me.. he believed his home paper story more than me.. and he still believes it..

Why are you surprised at your friend? Every time a tabloid puts a story on the front page you believe it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 24, 2014, 11:46:09 PM
Why are you surprised at your friend? Every time a tabloid puts a story on the front page you believe it.

No, I don't believe it every time. I followed this case intensively for 7 years.. there are rare articles I haven't read to the single detail.. and I have a strong memory about this case.. so I know how to distinguish between a made up new and a real news..
The three OC workers IMO are not a made up news.. and even Scotland Yards boss confirmed they have names..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 25, 2014, 12:00:38 AM
No, I don't believe it every time. I followed this case intensively for 7 years.. there are rare articles I haven't read to the single detail.. and I have a strong memory about this case.. so I know how to distinguish between a made up new and a real news..
The three OC workers IMO are not a made up news.. and even Scotland Yards boss confirmed they have names..

But have they got any evidence? >@@(*&)

You seem to believe the hype about the two forces not getting on with each other, but what evidence do you have that suggests that isn't just a made up story?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 25, 2014, 12:09:11 AM
.....The three OC workers IMO are not a made up news.. and even Scotland Yards boss confirmed they have names..
But SY have never said that their 3 suspects are OC employees.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 25, 2014, 12:23:35 AM
Yes let's sit back and contemplate -

SY have confirmed -

They have names, and those names appear to be British
The investigation is "fast moving"
The CPS have sent letters to Portugal which did NOT request interviews or arrests (again, indicates the investigation is against British subjects)
It could be murder and if it is, it is no longer "sad" (perhaps vile? Incomprehensible?)


The above tends to completely rule out the suspects being Portugese residents or citizens which in turn makes me wonder - who on earth can be the focus of these "rapidly moving" events?


 -- comment removed  / libel --





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 25, 2014, 12:29:31 AM
But have they got any evidence? >@@(*&)

You seem to believe the hype about the two forces not getting on with each other, but what evidence do you have that suggests that isn't just a made up story?

I think if the PJ doesn't act then the SY has no other option but to publish their findings.. they will have to do some conclusion to their findings.. this is not going to be 'secret' for ever.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 25, 2014, 01:05:50 AM
I think if the PJ doesn't act then the SY has no other option but to publish their findings.. they will have to do some conclusion to their findings.. this is not going to be 'secret' for ever.

PJ can only act if there's evidence. The imaginations of Jerry Lawton, Tom Pettifor and James Murray don't count.

Wait and see what happens, but whatever it is I doubt it's going to be quick.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 25, 2014, 01:09:34 AM
PJ can only act if there's evidence. The imaginations of Jerry Lawton, Tom Pettifor and James Murray don't count.

Wait and see what happens, but whatever it is I doubt it's going to be quick.

It all depends on how many mobile phone masts ( towers) are in PDL.. I researched it and found two.. and what people told the inspectors where they were..
If they told PJ they were miles away but their phones were pinged by a mast in PDL and the one which is nearest and serving near 5A then this evidence is enough for possible questioning..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 25, 2014, 10:04:47 PM
What is it about the twitter claim that the two of the SY suspects were women?

Anyone know where this info comes from?

And didn't Martin Brunt say the suspects were property management staff?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 25, 2014, 10:24:51 PM
What is it about the twitter claim that the two of the SY suspects were women?

Anyone know where this info comes from?


And didn't Martin Brunt say the suspects were property management staff?

How about YOU find out where it comes from, before you go repeating it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on February 25, 2014, 11:06:46 PM
I know where it comes from, but we're not allowed to post links to other forums here. Sorry.  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 25, 2014, 11:14:30 PM
I know where it comes from, but we're not allowed to post links to other forums here. Sorry.  8)--))

Well since we are gossipping over the garden fence LOL I read these two women were witnesses!!


Interesting
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 25, 2014, 11:24:25 PM
......... SY have confirmed -
They have names, and those names appear to be British .....
I missed that, please what is the source for the names appearing to be British?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 25, 2014, 11:24:49 PM
Well I reckon it's these two.

Who is that in the first sketch?

The very fact anyone (whoever it was) who called the barcelona debacle woman victoria beckham lookalike is such a joke it bears vomit rather than laughter



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 25, 2014, 11:25:58 PM
Who is that in the first sketch?

The very fact anyone (whoever it was) who called the barcelona debacle woman victoria beckham lookalike is such a joke it bears vomit rather than laughter

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3296.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 25, 2014, 11:42:44 PM
martinbrunt ‏@skymartinbrunt 13 hrs
#madeleine Portuguese sources tell local media the three suspects Scot Yard identified are ex-staff of Ocean Club, managers of apartments
The tweet is a bit ambiguous but IMO the phrase "managers of apartments" is probably intended to describe the company (which does manage apartments) and not the job descriptions of the ex-employees.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 26, 2014, 01:39:38 AM
I missed that, please what is the source for the names appearing to be British?

It is not official, and not from the papers. It appears on some psychic blog ..

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 26, 2014, 02:45:44 AM
It is not official, and not from the papers. It appears on some psychic blog ..
Thanks.
IMO all we know is that SY have noticed in the phone records 3 people communicating with each other by phone that night.
SY themselves have never said these 3 people are burglars or employees or ex-employees.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 26, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
Correio da Manhã - Lisbon
25 February 2014

Maddie: Secret dossier was handed to the British Police.

Scotland Yard says it has recently received the Portuguese authorities a folder with several cases of burglary in the Algarve, committed just before the disappearance of Maddie McCann on 3 May 2007 in Praia da Luz According to the British press, There are reports of abuse to children and even an attempted abduction of a baby from one year to a British tourist, in Montechoro, Albufeira.  Factors which may provide important clues to the team investigating this case.

(http://i.imgur.com/4Q3wbJ1.jpg?1)

Redwood and colleagues call with their counterparts in Faro, Portugal.


www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fultima-hora%2Fmaddie-dossie-secreto-foi-entregue-a-policia-inglesa
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on February 26, 2014, 04:59:39 PM
Notice how that is written.
The first line contains an official police statement. The rest is unattributed, though follows on as if it is part of the same statement.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 26, 2014, 05:04:13 PM
The tweet is a bit ambiguous but IMO the phrase "managers of apartments" is probably intended to describe the company (which does manage apartments) and not the job descriptions of the ex-employees.

Yes, I agree that the phrasing is ambiguous.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 26, 2014, 05:21:25 PM
Yes, I agree that the phrasing is ambiguous.

Yes, typically misleading.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 26, 2014, 09:55:40 PM
Yes, typically misleading.

Can you explain why Martin Brunt's twit is misleading?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 26, 2014, 10:01:13 PM
New tensions in long-running Madeleine inquiry


Relations between the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) and Metropolitan Police forces, both of them investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, are once again at a delicate stage.

According to Correio da Manhã newspaper, “the relationship between the British police and the PJ began to become tense when Scotland Yard sent its third letter of request, at a time when work on the second had still not been completed”.

Feeling pressured, the PJ have been further ruffled by remarks in the British press by the McCanns, who say they are “frustrated” by the lack of cooperation between the two forces and wish they “would start working together”.

This story, published last weekend, comes just days after the Daily Mail carried a report on Scotland Yard boss Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe talking to BBC Radio 5 Live about the fact that his officers “have the names of suspects” that they want to interview, but are waiting for the say-so of the PJ before they can do this.

“We have sent three letters of request for international assistance to the Portuguese judiciary, because that is the way their system works,” he told presenter Nicky Campbell, admitting that the Met has “lines of inquiry which are different to the Portuguese Police’s and we are working with them to try and resolve that. We are making some progress.”

Correio da Manhã suggests the progress is tempered. Writing under the headline “McCanns want to give orders to the PJ”, the paper claims that it “knows that many of the steps requested” by the Met, “among them interviews, searches and bank account analysis, cannot be authorised by the prosecutor for the Public Ministry”.

It confirms: “The Porto PJ, which leads the investigation reopened in Portugal, is following a different line to that that the parents of the missing child would like” - thus the parents’ frustration that the investigation is “not going as it should”.

The Met’s latest theories appear to be centred on three former workers at the complex in Praia da Luz from which Madeleine disappeared on May 3, 2007.

Meanwhile, tongue-in-cheek Newsbiscuit online service remarked last week that there had been a dearth of “Missing Madeleine” stories on the front page of the Daily Express recently - but this has not stopped the Daily Mail from its regular updates.

Newsbiscuit carries a quote from what it calls “an Express spokesman”: “We’ve got a bet on about how long we can keep a story going with no news content in it whatsoever, and we’ll be damned if it’s going to fall before seven years is up”.

The seventh anniversary of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz is just over two months away.

- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/new-tensions-in-long-running-madeleine-inquiry#sthash.FG[Name removed]Oy4e.dpuf
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on February 26, 2014, 10:29:27 PM
From the Correio Da Manha article (see Vixte's post above)
Quote
..........the paper claims that it “knows that many of the steps requested” by the Met, “among them interviews, searches and bank account analysis, cannot be authorised by the prosecutor for the Public Ministry”.........
Interesting, does this imply that SY has requested some actions, without providing sufficient legal justification (which PJ Porto would require to obtain the required search warrants etc)?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 26, 2014, 11:07:05 PM
New tensions in long-running Madeleine inquiry

So this is one paper quoting another paper that itself copied a third paper? >@@(*&)

Very sound.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 27, 2014, 12:23:35 AM
So this is one paper quoting another paper that itself copied a third paper? >@@(*&)

Very sound.
?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 27, 2014, 02:34:34 AM
Can you explain why Martin Brunt's twit is misleading?

Not his tweet ('twit' - that's a good one; I'm not a fan of twitter), but the C d M article, which begins with the information that SY were handed a dossier by Portuguese authorities, and then goes on to talk about British news reports of the burglars in the same sentence, as though the speculations in the British press were also fact.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on February 27, 2014, 10:07:16 AM
Meanwhile, tongue-in-cheek Newsbiscuit online service remarked last week that there had been a dearth of "Missing Madeleine" stories on the front page of the Daily Express recently - but this has not stopped the Daily Mail from its regular updates.

Newsbiscuit carries a quote from what it calls "an Express spokesman": "We've got a bet on about how long we can keep a story going with no news content in it whatsoever, and we'll be damned if it's going to fall before seven years is up".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 27, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
Meanwhile, tongue-in-cheek Newsbiscuit online service remarked last week that there had been a dearth of "Missing Madeleine" stories on the front page of the Daily Express recently - but this has not stopped the Daily Mail from its regular updates.

Newsbiscuit carries a quote from what it calls "an Express spokesman": "We've got a bet on about how long we can keep a story going with no news content in it whatsoever, and we'll be damned if it's going to fall before seven years is up".


Maybe  the Met will find a way to wrap it up by then..or by some  miracle solve it.....they will have been at it for three years
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 27, 2014, 06:35:55 PM
I fear you may have to.

If you ignore the media, and listen only to SY, we know

They have names
The investigation is gathering pace
The CPS are requesting details and assistance from the Portugese, but not apparently, arrests or interviews (implies the suspects have already been interviewed furthermore, are British).

Add in the sudden dearth of McCann faces appearing earnestly on our telly telling us how "important" the 3 burglars are, and the inexplicably postponed Libel trial, and what do you get?

 ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 27, 2014, 10:37:35 PM
The latest reports said the Pj were giving secret dossier to SY about burglaries and also these attacks on children......if Edgar had got already this information from the PJ files and partly from other sources, as he said he had back in 2009, it would have been in the documents they handed over to SY in 2011 so no need for PJ three yrs later to hand it over!

 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 27, 2014, 10:46:36 PM
The latest reports said the Pj were giving secret dossier to SY about burglaries and also these attacks on children......if Edgar had got already this information from the PJ files and partly from other sources, as he said he had back in 2009, it would have been in the documents they handed over to SY in 2011 so no need for PJ three yrs later to hand it over!

 8-)(--)

Good point again, Red. They're just repackaging old information again aren't they.

Or the papers are making it up >@@(*&)

(Who could possibly imagine that!)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 27, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
Good point again, Red. They're just repackaging old information again aren't they.

Or the papers are making it up >@@(*&)

(Who could possibly imagine that!)

Perhaps Gerry is still happy and thinks its a positive thing that no one knows what is true or not true according to what  the papers are printing...of course, all in aid of not giving the abductor any clues

 >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lyall on February 27, 2014, 11:09:11 PM
Perhaps Gerry is still happy and thinks its a positive thing that no one knows what is true or not true according to what  the papers are printing...of course, all in aid of not giving the abductor any clues

 >@@(*&)

The masses having an attention span of about a week is definitely good for many people, Red. So much information hits us now every day it's tough to keep track of it all isn't it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 27, 2014, 11:26:18 PM
The masses having an attention span of about a week is definitely good for many people, Red. So much information hits us now every day it's tough to keep track of it all isn't it.

True, but even those whose dont particularly keep track can see what a load of cobblers much of it seems to be as its incessantly in their faces, they will notice

Then  there are those that do keep track and will know 100% that it is

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 27, 2014, 11:35:42 PM
Perhaps Gerry is still happy and thinks its a positive thing that no one knows what is true or not true according to what  the papers are printing...of course, all in aid of not giving the abductor any clues

 >@@(*&)
Misinform to manipulate better.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Redblossom on February 27, 2014, 11:43:35 PM
Misinform to manipulate better.

I think so
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on February 27, 2014, 11:45:25 PM
Big news

MEPs approve common rules of transnational criminal investigation

ARTICLE | THU, 02/27/2014 - 24:22

The European Parliament (EP) today approved new rules proposed by the European Commission in criminal matters aimed at facilitating transnational criminal investigations, particularly in obtaining evidence or hear witnesses.
"Adopting this policy means bad news for those who commit crimes in the EU and an important tool for those who investigates crimes in the common space, "said Nuno Melo (CDS), EP rapporteur.
European Investigation Order (EIO), adopted in Strasbourg by 467 votes in favor, 22 against and 10 abstentions, aims to facilitate the taking of evidence by the judicial authorities in transnational criminal investigations.
This is already possible today, but researchers have to rely on a diverse set of standards, some more than 50 years.
A decision on recognition or execution of an EIO should be taken within 30 days.
If accepted, the investigative measure must be performed within 90 days, and if you can not meet this deadline, the authority of the executing State shall inform authority of the issuing State of the reasons for the delay.
DEI Under the authorities of another country can ignore the request or set their own deadlines and may refuse to recognize or enforce a decision on a limited number of cases, for example if is likely to harm essential national security interests or if the investigative measure is not authorized by the law of the executing State in a similar national case.
According to the deputy, "media cases like Madeleine McCann or Freeport, to give two examples involved two countries - my country, Portugal, and England - would have immediately benefited from this policy by lower administrative and bureaucratic complexity that will ensure. "
DEI has been agreed between the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers of the European Union.

http://online.jornaldamadeira.pt/artigos/eurodeputados-aprovam-regras-comuns-de-investiga%C3%A7%C3%A3o-penal-transnacional

google translated..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 28, 2014, 01:57:36 AM
If you ignore the media, and listen only to SY, we know

They have names
The investigation is gathering pace
The CPS are requesting details and assistance from the Portugese, but not apparently, arrests or interviews (implies the suspects have already been interviewed furthermore, are British).

Add in the sudden dearth of McCann faces appearing earnestly on our telly telling us how "important" the 3 burglars are, and the inexplicably postponed Libel trial, and what do you get?

 ?{)(**

Is it possible you could be putting two and two together there, Silkywhiskers?

Or should I say, three and three...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 28, 2014, 11:23:19 AM
Big news

MEPs approve common rules of transnational criminal investigation

ARTICLE | THU, 02/27/2014 - 24:22

The European Parliament (EP) today approved new rules proposed by the European Commission in criminal matters aimed at facilitating transnational criminal investigations, particularly in obtaining evidence or hear witnesses.
"Adopting this policy means bad news for those who commit crimes in the EU and an important tool for those who investigates crimes in the common space, "said Nuno Melo (CDS), EP rapporteur.
European Investigation Order (EIO), adopted in Strasbourg by 467 votes in favor, 22 against and 10 abstentions, aims to facilitate the taking of evidence by the judicial authorities in transnational criminal investigations.
This is already possible today, but researchers have to rely on a diverse set of standards, some more than 50 years.
A decision on recognition or execution of an EIO should be taken within 30 days.
If accepted, the investigative measure must be performed within 90 days, and if you can not meet this deadline, the authority of the executing State shall inform authority of the issuing State of the reasons for the delay.
DEI Under the authorities of another country can ignore the request or set their own deadlines and may refuse to recognize or enforce a decision on a limited number of cases, for example if is likely to harm essential national security interests or if the investigative measure is not authorized by the law of the executing State in a similar national case.
According to the deputy, "media cases like Madeleine McCann or Freeport, to give two examples involved two countries - my country, Portugal, and England - would have immediately benefited from this policy by lower administrative and bureaucratic complexity that will ensure. "
DEI has been agreed between the European Parliament and the Council of Ministers of the European Union.

http://online.jornaldamadeira.pt/artigos/eurodeputados-aprovam-regras-comuns-de-investiga%C3%A7%C3%A3o-penal-transnacional

google translated..

Thanks for that, Vixte. I'm wondering if there are transnational law blogs or articles that could explain why a JIT was quickly established between France and the UK in the Alps massacre case, but not in the Madeleine case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on February 28, 2014, 12:07:09 PM
Thanks for that, Vixte. I'm wondering if there are transnational law blogs or articles that could explain why a JIT was quickly established between France and the UK in the Alps massacre case, but not in the Madeleine case.

Bodies?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 28, 2014, 12:30:37 PM
Bodies?
Yes, a JIT has to be established on a specific crime with determined objective and duration. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on February 28, 2014, 06:24:39 PM
Yes, a JIT has to be established on a specific crime with determined objective and duration.

Yes, but for whom would it have been to decide in the Madeeleine case, prior to a full investigation, what the crime was?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on February 28, 2014, 08:52:36 PM
Yes, but for whom would it have been to decide in the Madeeleine case, prior to a full investigation, what the crime was?
The police of the country where the vanishing occurred. Supposing this country doesn't believe in fairies,  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on February 28, 2014, 10:41:29 PM
Is it possible you could be putting two and two together there, Silkywhiskers?

Or should I say, three and three...

Yup.

I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

There is only ONE reason that the CPS are involved.  The perps are British.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on February 28, 2014, 10:42:34 PM
Yup.

I didn't fall off the turnip truck yesterday.

There is only ONE reason that the CPS are involved.  The perps are British.

I should get back on the truck if I were you
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 01, 2014, 12:02:20 AM
The police of the country where the vanishing occurred. Supposing this country doesn't believe in fairies,  ?{)(**

Exactly my point. It would have been a pre-judgement in this case.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 01, 2014, 01:10:39 AM
No news makes me quite curious.. I wish I was a fly on the SYs wall..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 01, 2014, 02:30:00 AM
No news makes me quite curious.. I wish I was a fly on the SYs wall..

I did not become interested in the Madeleine case until half way through last year, but were there always regular updates from the time SY began their review? Is this an unusually quiet spell?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 01, 2014, 03:56:06 AM
I did not become interested in the Madeleine case until half way through last year, but were there always regular updates from the time SY began their review? Is this an unusually quiet spell?

Yes and no.

The McCanns don't like to be out of the spotlight long, hence Amaral's libel trial, Gerry and Kate both staged photo ops on the court steps, Gerry looking determined and heroic, Kate wan and tragic and righteous. Amaral just looked like Amaral.

The sudden postponement of the libel trial, coupled with the new efit, the hints of arrests, the CPS involvement - apart from criticising the investigation (again) they have been unusually silent and avoiding the spotlight.

My guess?  Their world is currently in the process of falling apart.

SY have informed them of the way the investigation is going, and to quote Amaral, "it is understood things are not going well for the McCanns".

[ .... speculative comment removed ... ]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 01, 2014, 10:34:43 AM
Yes and no.

The McCanns don't like to be out of the spotlight long, hence Amaral's libel trial, Gerry and Kate both staged photo ops on the court steps, Gerry looking determined and heroic, Kate wan and tragic and righteous. Amaral just looked like Amaral.

The sudden postponement of the libel trial, coupled with the new efit, the hints of arrests, the CPS involvement - apart from criticising the investigation (again) they have been unusually silent and avoiding the spotlight.

My guess?  Their world is currently in the process of falling apart.

SY have informed them of the way the investigation is going, and to quote Amaral, "it is understood things are not going well for the McCanns".

[ .... speculative comment removed ... ]

Sooner rather than later...its easy to make any ridiculous claim when theres an information  vacuum...but if what you are saying is true...when will the McCanns be arrested and why is there no sign of it yet
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 01, 2014, 12:52:00 PM
I did not become interested in the Madeleine case until half way through last year, but were there always regular updates from the time SY began their review? Is this an unusually quiet spell?

There were long times without any news in 2008-20012.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 01, 2014, 05:30:30 PM
There were long times without any news in 2008-20012.

But there was no formal British investigation during this period..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 01, 2014, 05:33:27 PM
Yes and no.

The McCanns don't like to be out of the spotlight long, hence Amaral's libel trial, Gerry and Kate both staged photo ops on the court steps, Gerry looking determined and heroic, Kate wan and tragic and righteous. Amaral just looked like Amaral.

The sudden postponement of the libel trial, coupled with the new efit, the hints of arrests, the CPS involvement - apart from criticising the investigation (again) they have been unusually silent and avoiding the spotlight.

My guess?  Their world is currently in the process of falling apart.

SY have informed them of the way the investigation is going, and to quote Amaral, "it is understood things are not going well for the McCanns".

[ .... speculative comment removed ... ]


I was talking about formal updates from SY regarding their progress in the investigation..

Jumping the gun a bit here, SW!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 01, 2014, 05:37:14 PM

I was talking about formal updates from SY regarding their progress in the investigation..

Jumping the gun a bit here, SW!

Once the Portuguese side reopened the investigation this means the secrecy law has to be applied.. and the SY likes to have a good relations with the PJ.
The second thing is Redwood asking for the media restrain ( I think I've seen it somewhere) meaning that Madeleine's life might be in danger if more info is published..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 01, 2014, 06:33:39 PM
Once the Portuguese side reopened the investigation this means the secrecy law has to be applied.. and the SY likes to have a good relations with the PJ.
The second thing is Redwood asking for the media restrain ( I think I've seen it somewhere) meaning that Madeleine's life might be in danger if more info is published..

So in other words there is nothing suspicious whatsoever about the lack of updates.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 01, 2014, 06:38:04 PM
So in other words there is nothing suspicious whatsoever about the lack of updates.

IMO the update comes only if they need info from the public.. It seems they no longer need any info from the public..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 01, 2014, 06:39:35 PM
IMO the update comes only if they need info from the public.. It seems they no longer need any info from the public..

Makes sense.

The media are frustrated by the lack of any real information coming out and are making things up to fill in the gaps.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 01, 2014, 06:40:45 PM
So in other words there is nothing suspicious whatsoever about the lack of updates.

I don't feel we should have updates at all.
SY should only make an announcement when they have made arrests, or when they have given up.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 01, 2014, 06:49:02 PM
Scotland Yard asked for media restraint in the coming weeks and months as it began what is being seen as the last chance to learn what happened to Madeleine. Officers believe there is a chance she is still alive.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/jul/04/madeleine-mccann-police-target-38-suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: a.baker on March 02, 2014, 01:42:44 AM
So,the Portuguese and SY are on the same wavelength after all? The burglars that SY are interested in and whom are said to have been carrying out burglaries in the weeks prior to Madeleines disappearance are known associates of tractorman,whom, it is said that his mobile phone records placed him at the scene that night.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 02, 2014, 01:51:44 AM
So,the Portuguese and SY are on the same wavelength after all? The burglars that SY are interested in and whom are said to have been carrying out burglaries in the weeks prior to Madeleines disappearance are known associates of tractorman,whom, it is said that his mobile phone records placed him at the scene that night.

Apparently, the team in Porto are / were focusing on tractorman, and this, so we are told, correlates with some of the work the other teams are doing.

Nothing confirmed, however.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 02, 2014, 01:55:28 AM
So,the Portuguese and SY are on the same wavelength after all? The burglars that SY are interested in and whom are said to have been carrying out burglaries in the weeks prior to Madeleines disappearance are known associates of tractorman,whom, it is said that his mobile phone records placed him at the scene that night.

It is all a media speculation. None of the forces ever said anything about their suspects.

It was said in PT media that the tractorman is the PJ suspect and the reason the case was reopened in PT.
It was said in UK media that SY has a different lead to PJ and this was confirmed by the SY boss that their leads were different.
He also confirmed SY had the names of their suspects..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 02, 2014, 02:01:22 AM
It is all a media speculation. None of the forces ever said anything about their suspects.

It was said in PT media that the tractorman is the PJ suspect and the reason the case was reopened in PT.
It was said in UK media that SY has a different lead to PJ and this was confirmed by the SY boss that their leads were different.
He also confirmed SY had the names of their suspects..

I think it is official that the team under Helena Monteiro in Porto are or at least were working on tractorman, though.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 02, 2014, 01:24:04 PM
Correio da Manhã - Lisbon
25 February 2014

Maddie: Secret dossier was handed to the British Police.

Scotland Yard says it has recently received the Portuguese authorities a folder with several cases of burglary in the Algarve, committed just before the disappearance of Maddie McCann on 3 May 2007 in Praia da Luz According to the British press, There are reports of abuse to children and even an attempted abduction of a baby from one year to a British tourist, in Montechoro, Albufeira.  Factors which may provide important clues to the team investigating this case.

(http://i.imgur.com/4Q3wbJ1.jpg?1)

Redwood and colleagues call with their counterparts in Faro, Portugal.


www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fultima-hora%2Fmaddie-dossie-secreto-foi-entregue-a-policia-inglesa

It looks like these files were only secret to the public, but not to the McCanns.. They are mentioned in Kate's book:
Quote
One of the most concerning and upsetting piece of information to emerge quite early ( when they started reading the files) was the record of sexual crimes against the children in  the Algarve. This discovery made me feel phisically sick. I read about five cases of British children on holiday being sexually abused in their beds while their parents slept another room. In three further incidents, children encountered an intruder in their bedrooms, who was presumably disturbed before he had the chance to carry out assault. I guess these were the reports that Bill Henderson, the British consul at the time of Madeleine's abduction, had told me about.
These incidents had occurred within an hour drive of PDL and over the three years prior to Madeleine's disappearance. The PJ never mentioned any of them to us. In fact, I gather from the files, some of them hadn't even been recorded by the authorities at the time they were reported..

So, according to Kate, these are in the files.. but I guess not released to the public..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 02, 2014, 01:54:38 PM
I think it is official that the team under Helena Monteiro in Porto are or at least were working on tractorman, though.

Kind of. But not officially stated.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on March 03, 2014, 08:01:40 AM
In the following article the author forgets that the Ocean Club driver and the Euclides Monteiro stories were published in the Portuguese media for the first time!   

http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1 (http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1)


Por Carlos Diogo Santos
publicado em 3 Mar 2014

Os inspectores da PJ salientam que na "cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito"

As diferentes estratégias de comunicação entre as autoridades portuguesa e britânicas no caso Maddie estão a incomodar a PJ. O desconforto chegou ao ponto de a Judiciária avisar a Metropolitan Police que se recusa a fazer a investigação através dos jornais. Desde que a polícia inglesa decidiu investigar por conta própria o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann que a imprensa inglesa passou a divulgar com frequência informações sobre as diligências em curso. Boa parte destas notícias acabou por se revelar infundada, afastando cada vez mais a possibilidade de uma cooperação com a PJ. Em causa está o facto de as duas polícias terem linhas de investigação diferentes e também as políticas de comunicação serem opostas, confirmaram ao i alguns inspectores, que preferiram não se identificar.

Segundo fontes conhecedoras do processo, a PJ terá já informado as congéneres britânicas que "quer continuar a fazer a sua investigação no processo e não nos jornais". Uma chamada de atenção para deixar claro que não querem que as fontes da polícia inglesa se pronunciem sobre supostos factos da investigação portuguesa. Até porque, segundo dizem, é algo que os britânicos não conhecem. Em Portugal está em curso uma investigação conduzida por uma equipa do Porto, mas são elementos da PJ de Portimão que têm respondido às cartas rogatórias enviadas pelos ingleses, ou seja, os pedidos de auxílio à investigação de Londres.

A estratégia dos portugueses - de não tornar públicas informações sobre a sua investigação - era já do conhecimento dos britânicos, mas algumas notícias citando fontes anónimas da Metropolitan Police terão forçado este aviso. "A PJ vai continuar com a necessária discrição, o que é do conhecimento da sua congénere britânica. A comunicação social está fora da nossa equação durante a investigação. E se nunca foi dito que há suspeitos é porque não há nada suficientemente forte", esclareceu fonte policial.

Ainda na última semana foi publicada uma notícia em Portugal dando conta de que os ingleses tinham recebido da Judiciária um dossiê secreto sobre assaltantes que viviam no Algarve e que poderiam até já ter cometido crimes contra crianças. Ao i, a mesma fonte garante que essa informação é falsa: "Não foi entregue qualquer dossiê secreto à Metropolitan Police." Outro elemento próximo do processo explicou, porém, que aquilo a que os britânicos chamaram dossiê secreto pode não passar da lista de pessoas com cadastro que residiam próximo da Praia da Luz e que a PJ enviou no âmbito do cumprimento de uma carta rogatória.

Nos últimos meses, os media ingleses noticiaram cada suspeito da Scotland Yard, publicaram os retratos robô da polícia - que o i revelou terem sido feitos afinal por detectives pagos pelos pais da criança - e trouxeram a público o envio das três cartas rogatórias dos investigadores ingleses antes de as autoridades portuguesas tomarem conhecimento desses pedidos de auxílio internacional.

Foi feita uma reconstituição da noite do crime - que não foi filmada em Portugal - e transmitida em Inglaterra, Alemanha e Holanda. Após as "milhares de pistas" que a Metropolitan Police disse aos media ter recebido na sequência da emissão dos programas de televisão, a estratégia continua a ser o rastreamento de telemóveis dos que estavam perto do aldeamento Ocean Club na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, dia em que a criança desapareceu.

Para os elementos da PJ contactados pelo i, estes comportamentos não vão afectar a cooperação entre as duas polícias. "As rogatórias serão cumpridas da forma mais empenhada possível, porque na cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito", rematou fonte da PJ.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on March 03, 2014, 08:04:36 AM
Translated by Google:

The PJ inspectors state that the " international cooperation there is no room for states of mind "

Different communication strategies between the Portuguese and British authorities in Maddie case are bothering PJ . The discomfort went so far as to warn Judicial Metropolitan Police who refuses to do research through newspapers . Since the British police decided to investigate on their own the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that the British press began to publish frequently about the ongoing efforts . Much of this news turned out to be unfounded , diverging from the possibility of cooperation with the PJ . At issue is the fact that the two police forces have different lines of research and also communication policies are opposite, confirmed by some inspectors , who preferred to remain anonymous .

According to knowledgeable sources in the process, the PJ have already informed the British counterparts that " wants to continue to do your research on the process and not in the newspapers ." A caution to make it clear they do not want the English police sources speak out about alleged facts of the Portuguese investigation . Because, they say , is something that the British did not know . In Portugal there is an ongoing conducted by a team from Oporto investigation, but are elements of the PJ of Portimão who have responded to letters rogatory sent by the British, ie , applications for aid for research from London .

The strategy of the Portuguese - not to make public information about their research - was already known to the British, but some reports citing anonymous sources have forced the Metropolitan Police this notice . " The PJ will continue with the necessary discretion , which is aware of its British counterpart . The media is out of our equation during the investigation . And it was never said that there is suspicious because there is nothing strong enough ," explained police source .

Yet last week a report was published in Portugal realizing that the English had received from a secret dossier on Judicial burglars who lived in the Algarve and that might have even committed crimes against children. When i , the same source ensures that this information is false : " . Was not any secret dossier delivered to the Metropolitan Police" Another next element of the process explained , however, that what the British called secret dossier can not pass the list of people joined who lived near the Praia da Luz and that PJ sent in fulfilling a letter rogatory .

In recent months , the British media reported every suspicious Scotland Yard published the robot portraits police - hi revealed that they were made by detectives ultimately paid by the parents of the child - and brought the audience to send the three letters rogatory of English investigators before the Portuguese authorities become aware of these requests for international assistance .

That was not filmed in Portugal - - ​​and broadcast in England, Germany and the Netherlands a reconstruction of the night of the crime was taken . After the " thousands of clues " that the Metropolitan Police told the media he had received following the issue of television programs , the strategy remains the tracking of mobile phones that were near the Ocean Club resort on the night of May 3, 2007 , the day the child disappeared .

For the elements of PJ contacted by i , these behaviors will not affect cooperation between the two police forces . " The rogatory will be fulfilled in the most committed as possible because international cooperation there is no room for states of mind ," concluded the source of PJ .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 03, 2014, 08:13:17 AM
Translated by Google:

The PJ inspectors state that the " international cooperation there is no room for states of mind "

Different communication strategies between the Portuguese and British authorities in Maddie case are bothering PJ . The discomfort went so far as to warn Judicial Metropolitan Police who refuses to do research through newspapers . Since the British police decided to investigate on their own the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that the British press began to publish frequently about the ongoing efforts . Much of this news turned out to be unfounded , diverging from the possibility of cooperation with the PJ . At issue is the fact that the two police forces have different lines of research and also communication policies are opposite, confirmed by some inspectors , who preferred to remain anonymous .

According to knowledgeable sources in the process, the PJ have already informed the British counterparts that " wants to continue to do your research on the process and not in the newspapers ." A caution to make it clear they do not want the English police sources speak out about alleged facts of the Portuguese investigation . Because, they say , is something that the British did not know . In Portugal there is an ongoing conducted by a team from Oporto investigation, but are elements of the PJ of Portimão who have responded to letters rogatory sent by the British, ie , applications for aid for research from London .

The strategy of the Portuguese - not to make public information about their research - was already known to the British, but some reports citing anonymous sources have forced the Metropolitan Police this notice . " The PJ will continue with the necessary discretion , which is aware of its British counterpart . The media is out of our equation during the investigation . And it was never said that there is suspicious because there is nothing strong enough ," explained police source .

Yet last week a report was published in Portugal realizing that the English had received from a secret dossier on Judicial burglars who lived in the Algarve and that might have even committed crimes against children. When i , the same source ensures that this information is false : " . Was not any secret dossier delivered to the Metropolitan Police" Another next element of the process explained , however, that what the British called secret dossier can not pass the list of people joined who lived near the Praia da Luz and that PJ sent in fulfilling a letter rogatory .

In recent months , the British media reported every suspicious Scotland Yard published the robot portraits police - hi revealed that they were made by detectives ultimately paid by the parents of the child - and brought the audience to send the three letters rogatory of English investigators before the Portuguese authorities become aware of these requests for international assistance .

That was not filmed in Portugal - - ​​and broadcast in England, Germany and the Netherlands a reconstruction of the night of the crime was taken . After the " thousands of clues " that the Metropolitan Police told the media he had received following the issue of television programs , the strategy remains the tracking of mobile phones that were near the Ocean Club resort on the night of May 3, 2007 , the day the child disappeared .

For the elements of PJ contacted by i , these behaviors will not affect cooperation between the two police forces . " The rogatory will be fulfilled in the most committed as possible because international cooperation there is no room for states of mind ," concluded the source of PJ .

Meanwhile, in the real world.

What evidence is there that will reveal the fate of Madeleine ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on March 03, 2014, 11:22:14 AM


A very interesting article in the latest news section of the McCann files website.....no secret dossier re burglars etc etc....
leads given out by the MSM seem to be false,....


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on March 03, 2014, 11:35:48 AM

A very interesting article in the latest news section of the McCann files website.....no secret dossier re burglars etc etc....
leads given out by the MSM seem to be false,....



http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

Oh what a surprise!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 11:42:58 AM
In the following article the author forgets that the Ocean Club driver and the Euclides Monteiro stories were published in the Portuguese media for the first time!   

http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1 (http://www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/maddie-pj-avisa-ingleses-nao-quer-ver-investigacao-nos-jornais/pag/-1)


Por Carlos Diogo Santos
publicado em 3 Mar 2014

Os inspectores da PJ salientam que na "cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito"

As diferentes estratégias de comunicação entre as autoridades portuguesa e britânicas no caso Maddie estão a incomodar a PJ. O desconforto chegou ao ponto de a Judiciária avisar a Metropolitan Police que se recusa a fazer a investigação através dos jornais. Desde que a polícia inglesa decidiu investigar por conta própria o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann que a imprensa inglesa passou a divulgar com frequência informações sobre as diligências em curso. Boa parte destas notícias acabou por se revelar infundada, afastando cada vez mais a possibilidade de uma cooperação com a PJ. Em causa está o facto de as duas polícias terem linhas de investigação diferentes e também as políticas de comunicação serem opostas, confirmaram ao i alguns inspectores, que preferiram não se identificar.

Segundo fontes conhecedoras do processo, a PJ terá já informado as congéneres britânicas que "quer continuar a fazer a sua investigação no processo e não nos jornais". Uma chamada de atenção para deixar claro que não querem que as fontes da polícia inglesa se pronunciem sobre supostos factos da investigação portuguesa. Até porque, segundo dizem, é algo que os britânicos não conhecem. Em Portugal está em curso uma investigação conduzida por uma equipa do Porto, mas são elementos da PJ de Portimão que têm respondido às cartas rogatórias enviadas pelos ingleses, ou seja, os pedidos de auxílio à investigação de Londres.

A estratégia dos portugueses - de não tornar públicas informações sobre a sua investigação - era já do conhecimento dos britânicos, mas algumas notícias citando fontes anónimas da Metropolitan Police terão forçado este aviso. "A PJ vai continuar com a necessária discrição, o que é do conhecimento da sua congénere britânica. A comunicação social está fora da nossa equação durante a investigação. E se nunca foi dito que há suspeitos é porque não há nada suficientemente forte", esclareceu fonte policial.

Ainda na última semana foi publicada uma notícia em Portugal dando conta de que os ingleses tinham recebido da Judiciária um dossiê secreto sobre assaltantes que viviam no Algarve e que poderiam até já ter cometido crimes contra crianças. Ao i, a mesma fonte garante que essa informação é falsa: "Não foi entregue qualquer dossiê secreto à Metropolitan Police." Outro elemento próximo do processo explicou, porém, que aquilo a que os britânicos chamaram dossiê secreto pode não passar da lista de pessoas com cadastro que residiam próximo da Praia da Luz e que a PJ enviou no âmbito do cumprimento de uma carta rogatória.

Nos últimos meses, os media ingleses noticiaram cada suspeito da Scotland Yard, publicaram os retratos robô da polícia - que o i revelou terem sido feitos afinal por detectives pagos pelos pais da criança - e trouxeram a público o envio das três cartas rogatórias dos investigadores ingleses antes de as autoridades portuguesas tomarem conhecimento desses pedidos de auxílio internacional.

Foi feita uma reconstituição da noite do crime - que não foi filmada em Portugal - e transmitida em Inglaterra, Alemanha e Holanda. Após as "milhares de pistas" que a Metropolitan Police disse aos media ter recebido na sequência da emissão dos programas de televisão, a estratégia continua a ser o rastreamento de telemóveis dos que estavam perto do aldeamento Ocean Club na noite de 3 de Maio de 2007, dia em que a criança desapareceu.

Para os elementos da PJ contactados pelo i, estes comportamentos não vão afectar a cooperação entre as duas polícias. "As rogatórias serão cumpridas da forma mais empenhada possível, porque na cooperação internacional não há espaço para estados de espírito", rematou fonte da PJ.

Congratulo-o por publicar o artigo no original.

Deixe-me desde já apontar 3 erros.
1. A PJ do Porto foi somente responsável pela revisão.
2. Para a investigação entretanto reaberta foi nomeada uma outra equipa, pela Procuradoria Geral da República e Direcção Nacional da PJ, a operar a partir de Lisboa, mas com assento em Faro e Portimão.
3. A equipa da PJ que assiste NSY, é um grupo de 6 operacionais localizados em FARO que responde ao Procurador nomeado para tratar das rogatórias provenientes do Reino Unido.

O espectáculo de televisão (Crimewatch) promovido pela BBC, foi totalmente desvalorizado pelas entidades oficiais, como tinha sido o anterior, por não obedecerem ao que legalmente é considerado uma reconstituição.

Traduza, já que é tão hábil.


I congratulate you for publishing the original article.

Let me point out three errors already.

1. The Porto PJ were only responsible for the review.
2. To reopen the investigation, another team was set up by the Attorney General's Office and the PJ National Director, to operate from Lisbon, but with bases in Faro and Portimão.
3. The PJ team assisting NSY, is a group of 6 operating out of FARO and answerable to the prosecutor appointed to handle the rogatory letters from the UK.

The television show (Crimewatch) promoted by the BBC, has been completely devalued by official bodies, as had been the earlier, for not obeying what is legally considered a reconstruction.   

Translate, since you're so skilled.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 11:45:02 AM
It looks like these files were only secret to the public, but not to the McCanns.. They are mentioned in Kate's book:
So, according to Kate, these are in the files.. but I guess not released to the public..


Excuse me, the picture you used.

THIS is FARO HEADQUARTERS.


[.... corrected....]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 11:48:49 AM

A very interesting article in the latest news section of the McCann files website.....no secret dossier re burglars etc etc....
leads given out by the MSM seem to be false,....


http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html


There is no secret burglars dossier.

Only after Madeleine was dead did "strange" people come out with wild allegations that they saw swarthy people that could be burglars...not a single official complaint ever filed with the authorities.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on March 03, 2014, 12:08:53 PM
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 03, 2014, 12:20:50 PM
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs

What you are talking about? The tractorman was first mention in PT media.. the Ocean Club suspects staff was first mentioned in PT media, SY arriving in PT photos and videos are all PT made.. this news in not from the UK..

So, the PJ is not leaking the info?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on March 03, 2014, 12:22:07 PM
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs

That may be something to with the difference in principle of the legal systems. The English system is adversarial with the objective of obtaining a conviction. The Portuguese is inquisitorial with the objective of finding the truth. They should both end up with same result but...............
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 12:24:55 PM
What you are talking about? The tractorman was first mention in PT media.. the Ocean Club suspects staff was first mentioned in PT media, SY arriving in PT photos and videos are all PT made.. this news in not from the UK..

So, the PJ is not leaking the info?


Do you mean that all the shyte that UK Media publishes is leaked from NSY and so the same happens with PT Media?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 03, 2014, 12:30:55 PM

Excuse me, the picture you used.

THIS is FARO HEADQUARTERS.

I did not use any photo..
The fact is that files about attacks on the British children, where they are named exist as a part of original PJ files but this info was not provided to public. So, people in here say 'nah, the child abuses and burglaries are a myth, it never existed.. when actually it did happen.. tourist children were attacked in the Algarve in their bedrooms while their parents slept in another room.. there is a record of 5 cases as per Kate's book..

So, McCanns had this info in their hands, if they were so bad, why didn't they leak it.. why Clarence Mitchell never leaked this?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 12:32:48 PM
Unfortunately bad journalism is Universal nowadays.

The old ethics where you didn't publish without confronting with the source is gone.   Journals publish shyte most of the time, and especially fabricated lies that they expect to be commercial.

Inferring that PJ is leaking is equivalent to accepting that NSY fed the stupid news the UK MSM has been feeding us for the last 3 months. I tend to have a little more respect for a police force that, so far, has not proved its value - but that I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 12:35:58 PM
I did not use any photo..
The fact is that files about attacks on the British children, where they are named exist as a part of original PJ files but this info was not provided to public. So, people in here say 'nah, the child abuses and burglaries are a myth, it never existed.. when actually it did happen.. tourist children were attacked in the Algarve in their bedrooms while their parents slept in another room.. there is a record of 5 cases as per Kate's book..

So, McCanns had this info in their hands, if they were so bad, why didn't they leak it.. why Clarence Mitchell never leaked this?


You are right. It was Johns photo from the post that you quoted. I'm sorry.

That is a total falsehood. No British children were ever attacked, other than a british girl 9 years before Madeleine, and that was abused by a friend of the family(another british).

Those faked cases that Kate McCann had the effrontery of mentioning in her book never happened. That is all fabrications to sell the abduction theory.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Luz on March 03, 2014, 12:44:38 PM
Unfortunately most cases we have in the Algarve involving British children are of neglect and abandonment. Some were recovered from the streets where they were abandoned or from drug reeked places where they were in danger.
In the last 10 years more than a dizaine of british children were recovered by social services and given for adoption.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on March 03, 2014, 01:00:17 PM
That may be something to with the difference in principle of the legal systems. The English system is adversarial with the objective of obtaining a conviction. The Portuguese is inquisitorial with the objective of finding the truth. They should both end up with same result but...............
Those systems seem, without heading to convergence, to try and find inspiration in each other's positive points.
The inquisitorial one has certainly to adopt a way to inform the medias the way that suits the investigation. The adversarial should reflect about the counterproductivity of stimulating excessive and unjustified sightings.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: AnneGuedes on March 03, 2014, 01:04:30 PM
Unfortunately most cases we have in the Algarve involving British children are of neglect and abandonment. Some were recovered from the streets where they were abandoned or from drug reeked places where they were in danger.
In the last 10 years more than a dizaine of british children were recovered by social services and given for adoption.
Do you have a link for that, Luz ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 03, 2014, 03:19:40 PM
it shows  the difference between both police forces and how they operate......the Portuguese appear totally professional and unbiased, ours appear like unprofessional clowns...IMO the Portuguese are more to be trusted ....than sy or the mccs

Our police forces - or our media?

Where is the evidence that these tabloid stories were leaked from police?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on March 04, 2014, 12:56:46 AM
Madeleine case: PJ investigators ‘hit back’ at British press
http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-case-pj-investigators-%E2%80%98hit-back%E2%80%99-at-british-press

Following endless sensationalist stories in the British press - all claiming inside knowledge of the ongoing Madeleine investigations both here and in the UK - Portugal’s Polícia Judiciária appear to have drawn a line in the sand.

A report by ionline says Portuguese detectives have “advised” the Metropolitan Police that they “refuse to carry out an investigation via newspapers”, particularly as the PJ’s theories are very different to those of British investigators.

“Since the English police decided to set up their own investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the English press has been reporting, with frequency, information on police activities underway,” writes ionline.

“A good part of these news reports ends up being unfounded, which increasingly compromises the possibility of cooperation” between the two forces.

One of the major issues the PJ has with the British media circus is that “the two police forces have different lines of investigation, and their policies over communication are also contradictory,” two PJ inspectors who prefer to remain anonymous told ionline. Thus the warning to stop “pronouncing on supposed facts of the Portuguese investigation ... as it is something that the British do not know about”.

The warning echoes words of former Madeleine investigator Gonçalo Amaral - no stranger to sensationalist stories in the British press.

According to Amaral, Portuguese justice “works in silence” - the inference being it should be allowed to do so.

ionline adds that the latest revelations in the British media - picked up by news services all over the world - centred on a ‘secret dossier’ sent to the Met by Portuguese investigators.

“No secret dossier was ever delivered to the Metropolitan Police,” writes the news service, suggesting it was very probably the list of people known to police in the area that had been requested in one of the standard letters of request sent by the Met to the PJ.

As ionline points out, “over the past few months” British newspapers have had a field day, publishing ancient identikit photos drawn up years ago by private investigators and reporting on “thousands of leads” when, in reality, “police are still working on the very basic job of trying to identify mobile phone activity that took place in and around the Ocean Club on the night of May 3 2007”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 04, 2014, 01:36:34 AM
Madeleine case: PJ investigators ‘hit back’ at British press
http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-case-pj-investigators-%E2%80%98hit-back%E2%80%99-at-british-press

Following endless sensationalist stories in the British press - all claiming inside knowledge of the ongoing Madeleine investigations both here and in the UK - Portugal’s Polícia Judiciária appear to have drawn a line in the sand.

A report by ionline says Portuguese detectives have “advised” the Metropolitan Police that they “refuse to carry out an investigation via newspapers”, particularly as the PJ’s theories are very different to those of British investigators.

“Since the English police decided to set up their own investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the English press has been reporting, with frequency, information on police activities underway,” writes ionline.

“A good part of these news reports ends up being unfounded, which increasingly compromises the possibility of cooperation” between the two forces.

One of the major issues the PJ has with the British media circus is that “the two police forces have different lines of investigation, and their policies over communication are also contradictory,” two PJ inspectors who prefer to remain anonymous told ionline. Thus the warning to stop “pronouncing on supposed facts of the Portuguese investigation ... as it is something that the British do not know about”.

The warning echoes words of former Madeleine investigator Gonçalo Amaral - no stranger to sensationalist stories in the British press.

According to Amaral, Portuguese justice “works in silence” - the inference being it should be allowed to do so.

ionline adds that the latest revelations in the British media - picked up by news services all over the world - centred on a ‘secret dossier’ sent to the Met by Portuguese investigators.

“No secret dossier was ever delivered to the Metropolitan Police,” writes the news service, suggesting it was very probably the list of people known to police in the area that had been requested in one of the standard letters of request sent by the Met to the PJ.

As ionline points out, “over the past few months” British newspapers have had a field day, publishing ancient identikit photos drawn up years ago by private investigators and reporting on “thousands of leads” when, in reality, “police are still working on the very basic job of trying to identify mobile phone activity that took place in and around the Ocean Club on the night of May 3 2007”.

To anyone claiming that the McCanns / Clarence Mitchell / Whoever it may be have some kind of hand in all the ludicrous tabloid articles that we have seen recently, the question has to be posed as to how such activity could possibly be of benefit to the McCanns or to any investigation.

Indeed almost the opposite is being revealed to be true - as if it weren't obvious through common sense already - namely that having the UK press effectively conducting their own parallel investigation is not only a distraction to the official investigation (s), but a hindrance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: valeria on March 11, 2014, 08:49:41 AM
to my suprise i found the following post.
http://www.creteplus.gr/news/ereunes-gia-ti-mikri-mantlin-kai-stis-goubes-irakleiou-81585.html
i try to translate.
information arrived at Heraclion Crete. Local police search the case of small madeleine trying to cross check the information that the child was spotted in a hotel of Gouves, Crete.
Europol was sent to the police Department Penisula, a few days ago.The strange thing is that after so many months sought to explore hotels cameras and determine whether the matterial illustrated madeline.
It is recalled that the little Madeleine, was kidnapped in 2007 in Portugal. While it is not the first time Crete police has been asked  to investigate for evidence relating to the matter in the region of Hersonissos and Malia, Crete.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 11, 2014, 09:01:00 AM
Thank you so much for posting that article Valeria.  Undoubtedly, we would have missed it.   It makes a change from the usual daily speculations by the British and Portuguese Press which are now taken with a very large pinch of sea salt.  Thanks again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 11, 2014, 09:49:53 AM
To anyone claiming that the McCanns / Clarence Mitchell / Whoever it may be have some kind of hand in all the ludicrous tabloid articles that we have seen recently, the question has to be posed as to how such activity could possibly be of benefit to the McCanns or to any investigation.

Indeed almost the opposite is being revealed to be true - as if it weren't obvious through common sense already - namely that having the UK press effectively conducting their own parallel investigation is not only a distraction to the official investigation (s), but a hindrance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 11, 2014, 09:53:24 AM
To anyone claiming that the McCanns / Clarence Mitchell / Whoever it may be have some kind of hand in all the ludicrous tabloid articles that we have seen recently, the question has to be posed as to how such activity could possibly be of benefit to the McCanns or to any investigation.

Indeed almost the opposite is being revealed to be true - as if it weren't obvious through common sense already - namely that having the UK press effectively conducting their own parallel investigation is not only a distraction to the official investigation (s), but a hindrance.

I don't consider it a hindrance at all, merely an irrelevance. 
Few believe a word that is written about this case and I'm sure that SY pay no heed at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on March 11, 2014, 11:14:36 AM
To anyone claiming that the McCanns / Clarence Mitchell / Whoever it may be have some kind of hand in all the ludicrous tabloid articles that we have seen recently, the question has to be posed as to how such activity could possibly be of benefit to the McCanns or to any investigation.

Indeed almost the opposite is being revealed to be true - as if it weren't obvious through common sense already - namely that having the UK press effectively conducting their own parallel investigation is not only a distraction to the official investigation (s), but a hindrance.

Keeping Madeleine in the papers is the McCanns way of searching.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 11, 2014, 11:39:39 AM
Keeping Madeleine in the papers is the McCanns way of searching.

Well yes, they do have a number of strange ways. Putting the responsibility for searching  onto everyone else seems about par for the course.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on March 11, 2014, 12:51:33 PM
The idea that the McCanns are responsible for everything in the papers about Madeleine is preposterous IMO.

Once I see ...'a source close to '.. or.... 'a spokesman' - its certain that what follows has NOT come from the McCanns IMO.

I've often wondered how these unnamed sources are contacted by reporters or how THEY contact reporters.

Does someone ring up and say ''Pssssst I'm a person close to the McCanns and I've got something to tell you about them but I don't want to give my name.''     Surely the reporter's next words would be - ''Get lost you could be anyone on the planet for all I know''.

Does anyone have any idea how this works?   Who are these unnamed sources, how are they contacted ...and are they paid?

Or are they, as I strongly suspect - largely figments of the imaginations of reporters - trying to make their article interesting enough to get it published by using this old ploy?


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on March 11, 2014, 01:17:14 PM
The idea that the McCanns are responsible for everything in the papers about Madeleine is preposterous IMO.

Once I see ...'a source close to '.. or.... 'a spokesman' - its certain that what follows has NOT come from the McCanns IMO.

I've often wondered how these unnamed sources are contacted by reporters or how THEY contact reporters.

Does someone ring up and say ''Pssssst I'm a person close to the McCanns and I've got something to tell you about them but I don't want to give my name.''     Surely the reporter's next words would be - ''Get lost you could be anyone on the planet for all I know''.

Does anyone have any idea how this works?   Who are these unnamed sources, how are they contacted ...and are they paid?

Or are they, as I strongly suspect - largely figments of the imaginations of reporters - trying to make their article interesting enough to get it published by using this old ploy?

The Press are bound by rules of conduct.  They have to source their stories and have them corroborated where credibility is a concern.   

The McCanns operate a publicity operation headed by Mr Mitchell.  His job is to keep Madeleine in the newspapers at all costs and to troubleshoot any awkward situations which arise with the Press like the Sunday Times article in October.

Publicity is the last resource available to them given the drastic fall in income to the fund so milking it will always be a priority.  The outcome of the libel trial in Lisbon might change all this of course.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on March 11, 2014, 02:33:56 PM
The Press are bound by rules of conduct.  They have to source their stories and have them corroborated where credibility is a concern.   

The McCanns operate a publicity operation headed by Mr Mitchell.  His job is to keep Madeleine in the newspapers at all costs and to troubleshoot any awkward situations which arise with the Press like the Sunday Times article in October.

Publicity is the last resource available to them given the drastic fall in income to the fund so milking it will always be a priority.  The outcome of the libel trial in Lisbon might change all this of course.

I disagree that Mitchells job is to keep Madeleine in the newspapers at all costs.  IMO he is the McCanns spokesman and only speaks out when they have something to say.    They have said they are not going to comment on the case - and I believe that is exactly what they are doing.   

With regard to the Times article - it's quite clear that didn't come from the McCanns and IMO the apology and retraction which followed was probably as a result of a word from their solicitors - as what they printed was not true and that is why it was retracted and an apology issued.

The McCanns must be appalled at any press articles which could damage relations between SY and the PT team as that is the last thing they want after waiting so long for the case to be re-opened. 

The fund has nothing to do with it IMO.   And anyway most of the money in there is now probably what Kate has put in from the sale of her book.   So it's their own money.

The McCanns are by no means poor - and certainly wouldn't need the fund to pay for their lifestyle imo, which shows no signs of extravagant living - and in fact does not appear to have changed in any significant way materially since before Madeleine disappeared.

If the Press had to name their sources I think you would find a dearth of articles about the McCanns.

The idea that newspapers are being 'controlled 'in any way by the McCanns via C. Mitchell is pure nonsense IMO     If that was the case they would not be in favour of the Leveson recommendations - as they would not want to change such a powerful position.    And the idea of hard-nosed newspaper owners/editors sitting around meekly waiting for 'permission' to publish from the McCanns is equally daft IMO. 



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 11, 2014, 02:39:20 PM


I disagree that Mitchells job is to keep Madeleine in the newspapers at all costs.  IMO he is the McCanns spokesman and only speaks out when they have something to say.    They have said they are not going to comment on the case - and I believe that is exactly what they are doing. 
 @)(++(*

The McCanns must be appalled at any press articles which could damage relations between SY and the PT team as that is the last thing they want after waiting so long for the case to be re-opened. 
 @)(++(*

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on March 11, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
The Press are bound by rules of conduct.  They have to source their stories and have them corroborated where credibility is a concern.  

The McCanns operate a publicity operation headed by Mr Mitchell.  His job is to keep Madeleine in the newspapers at all costs and to troubleshoot any awkward situations which arise with the Press like the Sunday Times article in October.

Publicity is the last resource available to them given the drastic fall in income to the fund so milking it will always be a priority.  The outcome of the libel trial in Lisbon might change all this of course.


Erm... Tabloid hacks admitted at the Leveson inquiry that they made things up or embellished their stories as there was virtually no news to report on, but they still had to file their copy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 11, 2014, 04:30:54 PM
I disagree that Mitchells job is to keep Madeleine in the newspapers at all costs.  IMO he is the McCanns spokesman and only speaks out when they have something to say.    They have said they are not going to comment on the case - and I believe that is exactly what they are doing.   

With regard to the Times article - it's quite clear that didn't come from the McCanns and IMO the apology and retraction which followed was probably as a result of a word from their solicitors - as what they printed was not true and that is why it was retracted and an apology issued.

The McCanns must be appalled at any press articles which could damage relations between SY and the PT team as that is the last thing they want after waiting so long for the case to be re-opened. 

The fund has nothing to do with it IMO.   And anyway most of the money in there is now probably what Kate has put in from the sale of her book.   So it's their own money.

The McCanns are by no means poor - and certainly wouldn't need the fund to pay for their lifestyle imo, which shows no signs of extravagant living - and in fact does not appear to have changed in any significant way materially since before Madeleine disappeared.

If the Press had to name their sources I think you would find a dearth of articles about the McCanns.

The idea that newspapers are being 'controlled 'in any way by the McCanns via C. Mitchell is pure nonsense IMO     If that was the case they would not be in favour of the Leveson recommendations - as they would not want to change such a powerful position.    And the idea of hard-nosed newspaper owners/editors sitting around meekly waiting for 'permission' to publish from the McCanns is equally daft IMO.


I thought Clarry was their communications spokesman?   Could be wrong though   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 11, 2014, 09:42:21 PM

I thought Clarry was their communications spokesman?   Could be wrong though   >@@(*&)

I dont think even Clarrie can control everything in the press
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 19, 2014, 05:52:58 PM
Sky has reported from the NSY that currently there are 277 requests that SY has asked from PJ and they are all unsolved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 21, 2014, 02:38:12 PM
CMTV commentator Francisco Moita Flores says the alleged rapist being sought is 'just propaganda' and adds that Scotland Yard should not attach such importance to vague data.

Video (http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=61C08FDA-DC50-4DE5-A61D-CB75245EDEE3)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 21, 2014, 02:46:58 PM
Sky has reported from the NSY that currently there are 277 requests that SY has asked from PJ and they are all unsolved.

Perhaps SY are trying to wear the PJ down  @)(++(*

I wonder how many, if any, will turn out to be of any relevance?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 21, 2014, 06:49:38 PM
CMTV commentator Francisco Moita Flores says the alleged rapist being sought is 'just propaganda' and adds that Scotland Yard should not attach such importance to vague data.

Video (http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=61C08FDA-DC50-4DE5-A61D-CB75245EDEE3)

Is he amarals close fiend...so no surprise then
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on March 21, 2014, 07:19:36 PM
This is worth a read. Note the time frame CPS quote as to be expected for a response.
It is also worth noting the constraints on issuing an ILOR.
The idea of all the links I post is that people read from alpha to omega not just til they find a bit they like.
It requires an attention span though!



http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/obtaining_evidence_and_information_from_abroad/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on March 21, 2014, 08:13:15 PM
So the Portuguese think it was Euclide who committed these child sex crimes?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/370720/Sex-beast-in-Madeleine-McCann-case-dead-Police-identify-prime-suspect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 21, 2014, 09:56:10 PM
So the Portuguese think it was Euclide who committed these child sex crimes?

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/370720/Sex-beast-in-Madeleine-McCann-case-dead-Police-identify-prime-suspect

Apparently.

According to the article, they went as far as to arrest him, but were forced to release him due to lack of evidence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 21, 2014, 10:00:58 PM
This is worth a read. Note the time frame CPS quote as to be expected for a response.
It is also worth noting the constraints on issuing an ILOR.
The idea of all the links I post is that people read from alpha to omega not just til they find a bit they like.
It requires an attention span though!



http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/obtaining_evidence_and_information_from_abroad/

just to get this clear..are you suggesting the CPS have issued a ILOR in order to interview the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 21, 2014, 10:01:12 PM
Apparently.

According to the article, they went as far as to arrest him, but were forced to release him due to lack of evidence.

Euclide Monteiro died in 2009.  A sexual abuse  was reported in 2010.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 22, 2014, 01:10:14 AM
Euclide Monteiro died in 2009.  A sexual abuse  was reported in 2010.

Oh, I see. The article that Anna links says however that he was arrested.

Perhaps that was a previous charge?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on March 22, 2014, 10:06:29 AM
Apparently.

According to the article, they went as far as to arrest him, but were forced to release him due to lack of evidence.

Erm

A source said: “All the cases mentioned were investigated by us here. Monteiro was arrested but freed because of lack of evidence.’’

A bit further on:

A local source said: ‘“He is the main suspect for the incidents involving the girls on holiday and was questioned but there was insufficient evidence.”


Which is it?

Mr and Mrs A. Source have said rather a lot over the past seven years...

Was his DNA checked?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 22, 2014, 10:11:36 AM
Erm

A source said: “All the cases mentioned were investigated by us here. Monteiro was arrested but freed because of lack of evidence.’’

A bit further on:

A local source said: ‘“He is the main suspect for the incidents involving the girls on holiday and was questioned but there was insufficient evidence.”


Which is it?

Mr and Mrs A. Source have said rather a lot over the past seven years...

Was his DNA checked?

The message is essentially the same.
Without knowing who the two sources were, it is impossible to know which is technically accurate statement.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on March 22, 2014, 10:17:23 AM
More of the same

http://www.theweek.co.uk/europe/madeleine-mccann/53972/madeleine-mccann-letter-paves-way-mets-first-arrests

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/20/madeleine-mcann-suspect-died-in-2009
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 22, 2014, 10:26:59 AM
Oh, I see. The article that Anna links says however that he was arrested.

Perhaps that was a previous charge?

Several cases between 2004 and 2006\7 and a further case committed in 2010.  Hardly likely to have been Euclides Monteiro.  So likely two separate crimes committed by different people.
This means that Euclides Monteiro could have been involved in the abduction of Madeleine.
But if The PJ were looking at him in the light of the sex abuse cases then they wouldn't have found any evidence against him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on March 22, 2014, 10:29:29 AM
The message is essentially the same.
Without knowing who the two sources were, it is impossible to know which is technically accurate statement.

And the media wouldn't have been all over it at the time?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on March 22, 2014, 10:31:12 AM
Several cases between 2004 and 2006\7 and a further case committed in 2010.  Hardly likely to have been Euclides Monteiro.  So likely two separate crimes committed by different people.
This means that Euclides Monteiro could have been involved in the abduction of Madeleine.
But if The PJ were looking at him in the light of the sex abuse cases then they wouldn't have found any evidence against him.

Wouldn't the PJ have checked his DNA against the sexual abuse cases? If not, why not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 22, 2014, 10:31:57 AM
And the media wouldn't have been all over it at the time?

Who knows ?
The media often aren't precise in their reporting, so can't be considered as reliable regarding exact wording.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 22, 2014, 10:33:13 AM
Wouldn't the PJ have checked his DNA against the sexual abuse cases? If not, why not?

I presume these are rhetorical questions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 22, 2014, 11:04:59 AM
Wouldn't the PJ have checked his DNA against the sexual abuse cases? If not, why not?
Very sound questions Carana

There was DNA

If it wasn't checked, then why not?

If it was checked, then they KNOW if he was the sexual predator, or not

Full stop.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 22, 2014, 11:21:50 AM

I don't think that The PJ were checking him to see if he was a sexual predator in all those attacks.  They had been going on since 2004 after all.   
But did check him to see if he was a burglar, due to the phone pings, and knowing he was a convicted burglar.  And the check appears to have been done at the time of Madeleine's disappearance anyway, him being in PdL at the right time.
I have no idea why The PJ discarded him.

But unless there was a copycat after his death, which I suppose is always possible, then he can't have been the sexual predator.  But he could have been involved in the abduction of Madeleine McCann.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 22, 2014, 11:36:33 AM
I don't think that The PJ were checking him to see if he was a sexual predator in all those attacks.  They had been going on since 2004 after all.   
But did check him to see if he was a burglar, due to the phone pings, and knowing he was a convicted burglar.  And the check appears to have been done at the time of Madeleine's disappearance anyway, him being in PdL at the right time.
I have no idea why The PJ discarded him.

But unless there was a copycat after his death, which I suppose is always possible, then he can't have been the sexual predator.  But he could have been involved in the abduction of Madeleine McCann.
In my opinion, NSY are just going back over the initial evidence gathered by the police in 2007 and looking at it with a fresh eye.  I think the new PJ team are doing exactly the same.

Obviously there are going to be local difficulties with two such disparate jurisdictions working the same case.       I think these are being exacerbated by people much higher up the chain of command who seem to be dragging their heels in allowing the teams to work in tandem leading to frustrations on both sides.   

We only have newspaper reports that the PJ consider Euclides was their man. 
They are not stupid and if similar offences were carried out in 2010 after his death, I'm sure they would have made the connection. 

I think the recent NSY statements might have been discussed with their counterparts in the PJ who would have been unable to do so under Portuguese law? 

I think Eleanor is spot on with the reasons the PJ would find him of enough interest to interview him, but may have been side tracked from that line of inquiry by the concentration of resources on the McCanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 22, 2014, 11:45:14 AM
In my opinion, NSY are just going back over the initial evidence gathered by the police in 2007 and looking at it with a fresh eye.  I think the new PJ team are doing exactly the same.

Obviously there are going to be local difficulties with two such disparate jurisdictions working the same case.       I think these are being exacerbated by people much higher up the chain of command who seem to be dragging their heels in allowing the teams to work in tandem leading to frustrations on both sides.   

We only have newspaper reports that the PJ consider Euclides was their man. 
They are not stupid and if similar offences were carried out in 2010 after his death, I'm sure they would have made the connection. 

I think the recent NSY statements might have been discussed with their counterparts in the PJ who would have been unable to do so under Portuguese law? 

I think Eleanor is spot on with the reasons the PJ would find him of enough interest to interview him, but may have been side tracked from that line of inquiry by the concentration of resources on the McCanns.
Welcome Brietta

A very sound early post.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 22, 2014, 11:57:09 AM
Thank you for your welcome, Sadie.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 22, 2014, 12:02:06 PM
Thank you for your welcome, Sadie.

Welcome from me too.  And thanks for understanding what I am talking about.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 22, 2014, 08:48:29 PM
The tractorman died in 2009, the latest attacks were in 2010..

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 22, 2014, 11:08:54 PM
CMTV commentator Francisco Moita Flores says the alleged rapist being sought is 'just propaganda' and adds that Scotland Yard should not attach such importance to vague data.

Video (http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=61C08FDA-DC50-4DE5-A61D-CB75245EDEE3)

Please show me where Smellyman is labelled a "rapist".

He is a pervert, clearly, a bed sitter, but the official word is he is believed to have "sexually assaulted" only two children, who clearly remained alive and untaken.

Sexual Assault can be anything from a quick grope of a butt through clothing, to the full act of rape.

NOWHERE have I read that Smellyman raped.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on March 22, 2014, 11:24:22 PM
Please show me where Smellyman is labelled a "rapist".

He is a pervert, clearly, a bed sitter, but the official word is he is believed to have "sexually assaulted" only two children, who clearly remained alive and untaken.

Sexual Assault can be anything from a quick grope of a butt through clothing, to the full act of rape.

NOWHERE have I read that Smellyman raped.

The word being used by CMTV is violador which correctly translates I believe as rapist.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 22, 2014, 11:26:04 PM
The word being used by CMTV is violador which correctly translates I believe as rapist.

And I would appreciate if you stuck to the FACTS as revealed by Andy Redmond.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 22, 2014, 11:49:31 PM

Madeleine McCann police hunt two Eastern European bogus charity workers who targeted Algarve holiday homes

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-police-hunt-3273735#ixzz2wjs1odwO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 23, 2014, 12:00:43 AM
David Cameron vows to speak to Portuguese government if British cops are hampered with their Madeleine McCann inquiry

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-david-cameron-3265699#ixzz2wjtjyKmr
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sherlock Holmes on March 23, 2014, 12:02:33 AM
Madeleine McCann police hunt two Eastern European bogus charity workers who targeted Algarve holiday homes

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-police-hunt-3273735#ixzz2wjs1odwO

We see from a 'development' like this just how slow-moving this case is.

Events relating to these collectors were recorded and filed years ago, and only now is an appeal being made for them to come forward.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 23, 2014, 12:04:04 AM
Madeleine McCann police hunt two Eastern European bogus charity workers who targeted Algarve holiday homes

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-police-hunt-3273735#ixzz2wjs1odwO


http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3136.0

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on March 23, 2014, 12:32:15 AM
Police at war over Maddie!

Todays Sunday Express now claiming that Scotland Yard and the PJ have fallen out over the naming of deceased Euclides Monteiro as the prime suspect.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 23, 2014, 12:35:21 AM
Todays Sunday Express now claiming that Scotland Yard and the PJ have fallen out over the naming of Snr Monteiro as the prime suspect.

More to follow...

How on earth can he possibly be the Prime Suspect?

He's the wrong race, for a start!

He looks NOTHING like Smithman!

More Pro-McCann spin bs.  Someone's intent on stirring up problems between the PJ and SY.

Does everyone forget the photos of Andy in Portugal meeting with his PJ colleagues?  3 hours, smiling faces, relaxed body language, only a couple of months ago.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on March 23, 2014, 06:42:49 AM
How on earth can he possibly be the Prime Suspect?

He's the wrong race, for a start!

He looks NOTHING like Smithman!

More Pro-McCann spin bs.  Someone's intent on stirring up problems between the PJ and SY.

Does everyone forget the photos of Andy in Portugal meeting with his PJ colleagues?  3 hours, smiling faces, relaxed body language, only a couple of months ago.

Its all BS, anyway, dont forget the date is slowing coming towards the anniversary so we will be getting a lot of this, as the papers want to make some money.

Take a deep breath lol.

The so called assaults/burglarys were known about and even Edgar talked about them in 2009 so its nothing knew.

The poor guy who died in 2009, MAY have been responsible for a few petty burglaries, but as the PJ have stated if he sat on a bed NO SEXUAL assaults were made by him....its out there for anyone to read.

IF these children were SEXUALLY ASSAULTED and the parents knew about it, wouldnt they have taken their children to the hospitals and have them swabbed for DNA etc? I would have done that.

This is one of the things that worried me about the McCann children. My daughter is missing could have been taken away by a pedophile I would have woken up my twins and had them taken to the hospital to check them out just incase anything had been touched....

SEXUAL assaults I am sure being very serious, would have been thoroughly investigated by the PJ at the time if they were reported.

It sounds like a european who works in sunny climes who did these things....and also 3 years APRIL/JUNE....perhaps someone working in Portugal for only a few months each year...maybe.

PERHAPS Scotland Yard should sort out our back yard before it interferes in Portugal.

4 sexual assaults allegedegly in Portugal.....

23,000 sexual assaults in Britain 2010/11.......I know where i would rather live...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124805/The-paedophile-map-Britain-child-sex-attack-takes-place-20-MINUTES.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 23, 2014, 07:39:49 AM
Its all BS, anyway, dont forget the date is slowing coming towards the anniversary so we will be getting a lot of this, as the papers want to make some money.

Take a deep breath lol.

The so called assaults/burglarys were known about and even Edgar talked about them in 2009 so its nothing knew.

The poor guy who died in 2009, MAY have been responsible for a few petty burglaries, but as the PJ have stated if he sat on a bed NO SEXUAL assaults were made by him....its out there for anyone to read.

IF these children were SEXUALLY ASSAULTED and the parents knew about it, wouldnt they have taken their children to the hospitals and have them swabbed for DNA etc? I would have done that.

This is one of the things that worried me about the McCann children. My daughter is missing could have been taken away by a pedophile I would have woken up my twins and had them taken to the hospital to check them out just incase anything had been touched....

SEXUAL assaults I am sure being very serious, would have been thoroughly investigated by the PJ at the time if they were reported.

It sounds like a european who works in sunny climes who did these things....and also 3 years APRIL/JUNE....perhaps someone working in Portugal for only a few months each year...maybe.

PERHAPS Scotland Yard should sort out our back yard before it interferes in Portugal.

4 sexual assaults allegedegly in Portugal.....

23,000 sexual assaults in Britain 2010/11.......I know where i would rather live...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2124805/The-paedophile-map-Britain-child-sex-attack-takes-place-20-MINUTES.html

This case seems to plumb new depths of stupidity with the latest news.

The PJ have been criticized for their handling of the case,but just look at Operation Grange.

More leaks than a sieve, the change in suspects. The of a dead man...........

Sounds like desperation.

Sounds like rank stupidity.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 23, 2014, 07:45:58 AM
This case seems to plumb new depths of stupidity with the latest news.

The PJ have been criticized for their handling of the case,but just look at Operation Grange.

More leaks than a sieve, the change in suspects. The of a dead man...........

Sounds like desperation.

Sounds like rank stupidity.

Only to you Stephen and those who cant bear to see SY taking the investigation away from the innocent mccanns.
What is obvious is that the pj do not want Sy to be able to follow their own leads...an absolute disgrace
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 23, 2014, 08:01:46 AM
How on earth can he possibly be the Prime Suspect?

He's the wrong race, for a start!

He looks NOTHING like Smithman!

More Pro-McCann spin bs.  Someone's intent on stirring up problems between the PJ and SY.

Does everyone forget the photos of Andy in Portugal meeting with his PJ colleagues?  3 hours, smiling faces, relaxed body language, only a couple of months ago.

It's The PJ who seem to have the problem.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 23, 2014, 09:20:34 AM
Yep.  He repeated himself interminably.  And he didn't speak very good English either.

You don't get parody it seems.

You don't get comedy either.

What do you get ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 23, 2014, 09:26:42 AM
You don't get parody it seems.

You don't get comedy either.

What do you get ?

Irony.  Do you know what that is?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 23, 2014, 11:07:32 AM

Scotland Yard and Portuguese police fall out over identity of key Madeleine McCann suspect

SCOTLAND Yard’s hunt for Madeleine McCann is in jeopardy because of foot-dragging by Portuguese police who think they know who was responsible for her disappearance.

High-ranking officers in Portugal are convinced African thief Euclides Monteiro took Madeleine and was responsible for sex attacks on five other British girls before being killed in a tractor accident in 2009.

However, the frustrated Yard team believes there is insufficient evidence. One attack believed to be significant to the Madeleine inquiry took place the year after Monteiro died. The clash is threatening to stall the Yard probe at a crucial time, with detectives here having made 287 requests for leads to be  pursued in Portugal.

The Sunday Express understands they have asked for forensic work at holiday apartments where sex attacks took place, in their hunt for a breakthrough clue, a fingerprint or hair.

Yet delays by Portuguese officials are slowing progress and increasing tensions between the two forces.

Last week Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt admitted he was “frustrated” with the pace of the investigation

The Yard is interested in Monteiro but pointedly declined to name him during a briefing for journalists last week when it made a fresh appeal for help from the public. The ex-junkie was sacked as a waiter at an Ocean Club restaurant in Praia da Luz for stealing a year before Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment there in May 2007.

Portuguese police have been interested in the volume of calls on his mobile phone on the night she vanished, which indicate he was near the scene.

Yard officers want to know if he acted alone as a thief or was part of a wider, more sinister paedophile ring which could still pose a risk to British children holidaying on the Algarve.

They also want to investigate possible links with burglars operating in Praia da Luz whom he was known to associate with.

Last week the Yard revealed it was focusing on 12 “potentially” linked break-ins between 2004 and 2010 on the western Algarve. In four cases between 2004 and 2006 a man sexually assaulted five white girls aged between seven and 10 in their beds. Two were assaulted in one villa.

The man remained calm throughout all the attacks and even when disturbed by waking parents or children he made no attempt to run away, leaving villas slowly, apparently unconcerned about being caught.

Two break-ins occurred in Praia da Luz in 2006 and 2010 but children were not assaulted in those incidents. As Monteiro died in 2009 he could not have been responsible for the last break-in in 2010.

In most of the 12 cases nothing was taken and there was no sign of forced entry, suggesting access to holiday apartment keys. All were within about an hour’s drive.

The Yard said: “Witnesses describe the man as having dark, as in tanned, skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke English with a foreign accent. His voice was described as slow or possibly slurred.”

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said: “We need to establish the identity of this man. These offences are very serious and no one has been charged. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.”

Portuguese police later leaked that the person being sought was identified by their officers as Monteiro, although he was never formally charged with any of the offences because of insufficient evidence.

However, the information offered by the Yard suggests it is far from convinced by the evidence uncovered by Portuguese detectives. They have Monteiro’s DNA as the Cape Verde immigrant had served time for theft.

British officers have pointed out to the Portuguese that a key sighting of a man holding a child in Luz at 10pm, shortly after Madeleine was taken, was not of a black man. Irishman Martin Smith and family saw him.

Former Portuguese inspector Goncalo Amaral was about to fly Mr Smith to Portugal when he was removed from the case. DCI Redwood said last week: “We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description towards the beach or town at about 22.00 on the night Madeleine disappeared.

“The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/466378/Scotland-Yard-and-Portuguese-police-fall-out-over-identity-of-key-Madeleine-McCann-suspect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on March 23, 2014, 11:37:00 AM
Scotland Yard and Portuguese police fall out over identity of key Madeleine McCann suspect

SCOTLAND Yard’s hunt for Madeleine McCann is in jeopardy because of foot-dragging by Portuguese police who think they know who was responsible for her disappearance.

High-ranking officers in Portugal are convinced African thief Euclides Monteiro took Madeleine and was responsible for sex attacks on five other British girls before being killed in a tractor accident in 2009.

However, the frustrated Yard team believes there is insufficient evidence. One attack believed to be significant to the Madeleine inquiry took place the year after Monteiro died. The clash is threatening to stall the Yard probe at a crucial time, with detectives here having made 287 requests for leads to be  pursued in Portugal.

The Sunday Express understands they have asked for forensic work at holiday apartments where sex attacks took place, in their hunt for a breakthrough clue, a fingerprint or hair.

Yet delays by Portuguese officials are slowing progress and increasing tensions between the two forces.

Last week Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt admitted he was “frustrated” with the pace of the investigation

The Yard is interested in Monteiro but pointedly declined to name him during a briefing for journalists last week when it made a fresh appeal for help from the public. The ex-junkie was sacked as a waiter at an Ocean Club restaurant in Praia da Luz for stealing a year before Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment there in May 2007.

Portuguese police have been interested in the volume of calls on his mobile phone on the night she vanished, which indicate he was near the scene.

Yard officers want to know if he acted alone as a thief or was part of a wider, more sinister paedophile ring which could still pose a risk to British children holidaying on the Algarve.

They also want to investigate possible links with burglars operating in Praia da Luz whom he was known to associate with.

Last week the Yard revealed it was focusing on 12 “potentially” linked break-ins between 2004 and 2010 on the western Algarve. In four cases between 2004 and 2006 a man sexually assaulted five white girls aged between seven and 10 in their beds. Two were assaulted in one villa.

The man remained calm throughout all the attacks and even when disturbed by waking parents or children he made no attempt to run away, leaving villas slowly, apparently unconcerned about being caught.

Two break-ins occurred in Praia da Luz in 2006 and 2010 but children were not assaulted in those incidents. As Monteiro died in 2009 he could not have been responsible for the last break-in in 2010.

In most of the 12 cases nothing was taken and there was no sign of forced entry, suggesting access to holiday apartment keys. All were within about an hour’s drive.

The Yard said: “Witnesses describe the man as having dark, as in tanned, skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke English with a foreign accent. His voice was described as slow or possibly slurred.”

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said: “We need to establish the identity of this man. These offences are very serious and no one has been charged. We also need to eliminate this man from our inquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.”

Portuguese police later leaked that the person being sought was identified by their officers as Monteiro, although he was never formally charged with any of the offences because of insufficient evidence.

However, the information offered by the Yard suggests it is far from convinced by the evidence uncovered by Portuguese detectives. They have Monteiro’s DNA as the Cape Verde immigrant had served time for theft.

British officers have pointed out to the Portuguese that a key sighting of a man holding a child in Luz at 10pm, shortly after Madeleine was taken, was not of a black man. Irishman Martin Smith and family saw him.

Former Portuguese inspector Goncalo Amaral was about to fly Mr Smith to Portugal when he was removed from the case. DCI Redwood said last week: “We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description towards the beach or town at about 22.00 on the night Madeleine disappeared.

“The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/466378/Scotland-Yard-and-Portuguese-police-fall-out-over-identity-of-key-Madeleine-McCann-suspect

And the police in Portugal have refuted this about Monterio so Express need to keep up lol. Its all garbage like flotsum and jetsum floating in the Portugese sea.......

I feel for Madeleine she will never be found with all this rubbish doing the rounds its hardly surprising she is still missing after 7 years with all the carp being talked about and the sightings and non sightings, and odd ball perverts etc.

Its LUDICROUS.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 23, 2014, 11:49:10 AM
David Cameron puts pressure on the Portuguese in Maddie case.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fexclusivo-cm%2Fcaso-maddie-ingleses-pressionam-governo-portugues
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on March 23, 2014, 11:57:21 AM
David Cameron puts pressure on the Portuguese in Maddie case.

www.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fexclusivo-cm%2Fcaso-maddie-ingleses-pressionam-governo-portugues

This seems odd when the CPS suggest that a six month turnaround can be expected.
http://www.cps.gov.uk/legal/l_to_o/obtaining_evidence_and_information_from_abroad/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 24, 2014, 02:05:50 PM

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/23/british-police-look-for-two-new-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-case/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 24, 2014, 02:08:07 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2014/03/23/british-police-look-for-two-new-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-case/

More newspaper-based propaganda, I see, and not a real policemen in sight 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 24, 2014, 03:00:32 PM
I notice that little, indeed nothing, is being mentioned about the mobile phone records and pings.
 Have they perhaps been abandoned like so many other 'leads' that the media promoted?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on March 24, 2014, 03:07:09 PM
I notice that little, indeed nothing, is being mentioned about the mobile phone records and pings.
 Have they perhaps been abandoned like so many other 'leads' that the media promoted?

Who knows

Endless  'suspects'  and  lines of enquiries are presented   

Then  ...  nothing

Why don't they give follow up information then  ?   ...  you know,  like saying when a particular  line of enquiry  or suspect has been eliminated 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 24, 2014, 10:30:04 PM
I notice that little, indeed nothing, is being mentioned about the mobile phone records and pings.
 Have they perhaps been abandoned like so many other 'leads' that the media promoted?

No, they have not been "abandoned".

Immediately after the phones were analysed, Tannerman was ruled out.

It is incredibly important to trace each and every ping - how long do you think that will take? Hours? Days? Or weeks and months?

SY have to rely on the cooperation of international phone companies who may or may not cooperate willingly.  Then they have to FIND the individuals, some may be deceased per Euclides.  Or just not findable.

The important part of the phone pings are those belonging to the McCanns which were deleted.

Now, we can assume they are being traced, despite the McCann efforts at hiding the information.

This is going to take time.  Life is not an episode of CSI.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on March 24, 2014, 10:38:45 PM
"Polícia segue rasto de burlões de Leste" 24/03/2014
www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/policia-segue-rasto-de-burloes-de-leste

"Police follow trail of fraudsters of the East
Investigated two men who made false peditórios using photos of handicapped children.
Since the television station BBC spent 'Crimewatch' program where we saw the reconstitution of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, the English police have received 250 calls and emails with multiple tracks - deserves more attention than others. Now Scotland Yard tracks down two men - the characteristics, nature of Eastern Europe - which were seen making false peditórios for disabled children and no longer seen immediately the day after the disappearance of three year old girl. The men were seen knocking on the doors of the apartments in the holiday village. Brought cards with the photograph of a child in a wheelchair. Identified themselves with Portuguese names, but do not speak the language well. The morning after the disappearance, the two men were seen drinking coffee and shots. From there, disappeared. Police have examined the cards that had to borrow money and saw that one side are phrases in Portuguese and the other sentences in English - in both languages ​​have several misspellings. These two men are part of a long list of suspects that British police are investigating looking for that you may have kidnapped a British girl."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 25, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
"Polícia segue rasto de burlões de Leste" 24/03/2014
www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/policia-segue-rasto-de-burloes-de-leste

"Police follow trail of fraudsters of the East
Investigated two men who made false peditórios using photos of handicapped children.
Since the television station BBC spent 'Crimewatch' program where we saw the reconstitution of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, the English police have received 250 calls and emails with multiple tracks - deserves more attention than others. Now Scotland Yard tracks down two men - the characteristics, nature of Eastern Europe - which were seen making false peditórios for disabled children and no longer seen immediately the day after the disappearance of three year old girl. The men were seen knocking on the doors of the apartments in the holiday village. Brought cards with the photograph of a child in a wheelchair. Identified themselves with Portuguese names, but do not speak the language well. The morning after the disappearance, the two men were seen drinking coffee and shots. From there, disappeared. Police have examined the cards that had to borrow money and saw that one side are phrases in Portuguese and the other sentences in English - in both languages ​​have several misspellings. These two men are part of a long list of suspects that British police are investigating looking for that you may have kidnapped a British girl."
Thanks for the translation Pegasus.   Are you PT?  Are you from PDL?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on March 25, 2014, 01:23:01 AM
Thanks for the translation Pegasus.   Are you PT?  Are you from PDL?
Its an automated translation, and no.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 25, 2014, 01:28:09 AM
Its an automated translation, and no.
Who do you use for translation?  Most seem to produce gobbeldy gook
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 25, 2014, 10:32:25 AM
"Polícia segue rasto de burlões de Leste" 24/03/2014
www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/policia-segue-rasto-de-burloes-de-leste

"Police follow trail of fraudsters of the East
Investigated two men who made false peditórios using photos of handicapped children.
Since the television station BBC spent 'Crimewatch' program where we saw the reconstitution of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, the English police have received 250 calls and emails with multiple tracks - deserves more attention than others. Now Scotland Yard tracks down two men - the characteristics, nature of Eastern Europe - which were seen making false peditórios for disabled children and no longer seen immediately the day after the disappearance of three year old girl. The men were seen knocking on the doors of the apartments in the holiday village. Brought cards with the photograph of a child in a wheelchair. Identified themselves with Portuguese names, but do not speak the language well. The morning after the disappearance, the two men were seen drinking coffee and shots. From there, disappeared. Police have examined the cards that had to borrow money and saw that one side are phrases in Portuguese and the other sentences in English - in both languages ​​have several misspellings. These two men are part of a long list of suspects that British police are investigating looking for that you may have kidnapped a British girl."


Aren't they quite happy to report any news that underlines a foreign criminal did this crime.. feels almost like all of the local criminals are saints..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 25, 2014, 10:54:10 AM

No Paedophiles in Portugal.  Oh No.  Except foreign ones.  And those with Portuguese names are Spanish or using stolen identities.  This is troo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carew on March 25, 2014, 11:25:05 AM
No Paedophiles in Portugal.  Oh No.  Except foreign ones.  And those with Portuguese names are Spanish or using stolen identities.  This is troo.

Ah........troo, as in troof seekers, numpties, sauces, speach and other such jolly stuff you bring to the table from the spiteful mind-set prevalent in crony-speak behind the flowery (censored name) curtains and elsewhere.

New posters catch on eventually, when pointed in the right direction.........(such eye openers for the innocent...........dear oh dear).........but how sad to need to target people so!.......Sadie and others too, whilst playing the bullied victim!

Genuinely surprised..........truly!

(I know this post will go........so apologies for off-topic,..........but honestly!)





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 25, 2014, 11:25:31 AM
Sadly there appear to be child abusers  of all nationalities.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 25, 2014, 11:30:57 AM
Sadly there appear to be child abusers  of all nationalities.

The problem with The Portuguese Child Abusers is that The Judiciary doesn't seem to think it matters.
Have they sorted Casa Pia yet?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 25, 2014, 11:36:30 AM
No Paedophiles in Portugal.  Oh No.  Except foreign ones.  And those with Portuguese names are Spanish or using stolen identities.  This is troo.

You d not know Madeleine was abused by paedophiles.

You are clinging on to this to take attention away from where the responsibility lands for Madeleine's disappearance., i.e. the mccanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 25, 2014, 11:45:36 AM
You d not know Madeleine was abused by paedophiles.

You are clinging on to this to take attention away from where the responsibility lands for Madeleine's disappearance., i.e. the mccanns

I sincerely hope Madeleine wasn't abused by paedophiles.  But then I don't think that Euclides was the child sex abuser.  But he could have been the abductor.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 25, 2014, 12:03:02 PM
I sincerely hope Madeleine wasn't abused by paedophiles.  But then I don't think that Euclides was the child sex abuser.  But he could have been the abductor.

Abduction not proved.

Merely a thesis, without any forensic back-up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 25, 2014, 01:00:04 PM
Abduction not proved.

Merely a thesis, without any forensic back-up.


Like amarsls book and he had the cheek to call it the truth........all his assets still frozen though
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on March 25, 2014, 01:08:11 PM
No, they have not been "abandoned".

Immediately after the phones were analysed, Tannerman was ruled out.

It is incredibly important to trace each and every ping - how long do you think that will take? Hours? Days? Or weeks and months?

SY have to rely on the cooperation of international phone companies who may or may not cooperate willingly.  Then they have to FIND the individuals, some may be deceased per Euclides.  Or just not findable.

The important part of the phone pings are those belonging to the McCanns which were deleted.

Now, we can assume they are being traced, despite the McCann efforts at hiding the information.

This is going to take time.  Life is not an episode of CSI.

How would you delete a ping received / sent from a cell tower from your mobile phone?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 25, 2014, 01:15:48 PM
You can't delete the ping, but you can remove any trace of the message from the phone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 25, 2014, 10:10:18 PM
How would you delete a ping received / sent from a cell tower from your mobile phone?

Oh so literal.

The pings cannot be deleted, but the accompanying texts and call record WAS.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 25, 2014, 10:57:06 PM

25th March 2014

Madeleine McCann clue: British paedo was on the loose when Maddie disappeared

Mirror investigation reveals that sicko David Reid was hiding in the Algarve at the time Madeleine McCann was snatched from Praia da Luz

A British paedophile jailed in the UK for sick sex attacks on children was hiding out on the Algarve when Madeleine McCann vanished.

David Reid fled his home and moved near Praia da Luz where she was snatched in 2007.

One of Reid’s victims had warned the pervert would not be able to contain his sick urges if allowed anywhere near children and could strike again.

The paedophile was hiding out on the Algarve at the time Madeleine McCann was snatched from Praia da Luz in 2007.

He had fled his home in Northern Ireland in a bid to hide his sordid past after being jailed for sexually abusing a string of young girls and a boy.

Speaking in 2006, one of his victims ­chillingly warned: “He’s a paedophile who will offend again. It’s part of his being. He’ll never change.

“Get your kids and family away from him. Never put temptation in front of him. He just won’t be able to resist it.”

Reid moved to the seaside resort of Carvoeiro, 30 miles from Praia da Luz, in 2004 after being freed from jail.

The same year the sleepy town was targeted by a lone child sex attacker who broke into apartments belonging to British holidaymakers, often abusing young girls in their beds.

Reid was completely unmonitored by the authorities while in Portugal because he was released from prison before the Sex Offenders’ Register was set up.

Three years after he settled in the Algarve, three-year-old Madeleine disappeared as her parents Kate and Gerry ate nearby with a group friends.

Carvoeiro is one of three resorts, including Praia da Luz, targeted by a prowling paedophile who is suspected of abusing five youngsters, aged seven to 10.

The sex attacks happened between 2004 and 2006 while the break-ins were reported up to 2010. Police believe they are likely to be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is spearheading the new UK police search for the missing youngster, said the sex attacks in Carvoeiro were at the “high end” in terms of seriousness.

The officer added that the man they are hunting “has a very unhealthy interest in young, white girls who he attacks whilst they are on holiday in their beds”.

Reid’s girl victims in the UK were white. The pervert died last year of cancer at the age of 61 or 62, according to locals in Carvoeiro – where he had been attacked in a bar after his sick past was exposed.

In most of the cases, as with the Madeleine kidnap, there was no sign of a forced entry and nothing was taken.

And in six of the 12 incidents the man sat on the children’s beds. In four he went on to commit serious sexual assaults. Most of the break-ins occurred in the off season when Reid was in the area.

The attacks took place within a 37-mile radius of Praia da Luz. Witnesses said the suspect smelt of smoke, was tanned and had dark hair. Reid was a chain smoker with dark hair who was tanned.

It is believed he could be on a list of 38 potential suspects currently being probed by British police. A Scotland Yard spokesman said: “No comment can be made on this ongoing investigation.”

Vile Reid got three years in 1995 for indecent assault and gross ­indecency in Belfast. After fleeing to Carvoeiro, which is popular with British ex-pats, he took up casual bar work and became a singer.

One local said residents had no idea about his perverted past and he was well-liked.

The former bar worker said: “He auditioned in England to come over to Portugal and work full time as the in-house musician at one bar. When he arrived in 2004 there was no ­suggestion of his past history at all and he made sure not to mention it.

“He was brought over and worked ­weekdays and weekends, hosting events at the singalongs. He was a good guitarist, and seemed like a good guy.” While keeping his vile past a closely guarded secret, Reid worked in several bars and became a popular member of the ex-pat community, mixing with the locals using his chatty, easy-going manner. He made his live act a hit in the town.

His lack of police ­monitoring meant he could roam the area without arousing suspicion. When a Mirror reporter recently questioned local police, an officer denied any knowledge of the sex attacker, despite him living just five minutes’ walk from their headquarters.

But Reid’s history finally caught up with him in 2006 when news of his convictions broke amongst the ex-pats. He suddenly became an outcast, with only the regulars at one bar willing to mix with him.

One ex-pat, who asked not to be named, said: “When everyone found out what had happened there was a lot of anger in Carvoeiro.

 “But they kept him on at the bar, even after they knew what he’d done. The bar started losing business. The takings went down because nobody wanted to go in and watch a paedophile play guitar and try to entertain people. Nobody was interested. They allowed him to keep his job for two weeks before someone went in and attacked him. He was playing one night sitting in the corner when someone came in and punched him off his bar stool.

“That was when they finally let him go.” Reid then worked as a part-time builder, living in a small house on a cliff-top overlooking the resort. Hoping the outrage over his past crimes would have died down, his bosses at the bar hired him again, months later.

But it was the same story in the tight-knit ex-pat community, and people refused to drink in a bar hosting the pervert. He was again axed.

The Mirror’s findings raise questions about whether Reid associated with groups of other ­paedophiles on the Algarve around the time Madeleine vanished.

Portuguese authorities may now conduct further inquiries to establish Reid’s movements around the time of her disappearance.

He is believed to have died from an undiagnosed cancer after collapsing at his home in August.

But his family last night said they were not aware of his death.

The Madeleine investigation took a new turn last week when DCI Redwood revealed the lone prowling paedophile link on BBC’s Crimewatch last week.

But blundering Portuguese police had failed to consider the prolific pervert as a suspect in the hunt for the youngster because the attacks were spread out across the Algarve.

Officers working on Operation Grange – a review into the Madeleine case – are in possession of the DNA of the intruder following one of his attacks.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-clue-british-paedo-3285796
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 25, 2014, 11:18:07 PM
Another name to add to the mix.

Tell me, does David Reid resemble Gerry?

 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 25, 2014, 11:30:42 PM
Another name to add to the mix.

Tell me, does David Reid resemble Gerry?

 8-)(--)

He's a dead white paedo who smoked & lived in the algarve.

Case closed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on March 25, 2014, 11:38:55 PM
So far that's four dead suspects on the list then  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 25, 2014, 11:41:20 PM
So far that's four dead suspects on the list then  ?

Reid, Monteiro, Hewlett & Urs Hans Von Aesch.

Now the real police work begins, picking which of those dead guys to pin it on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on March 26, 2014, 06:32:39 AM
Honestly!!!!

The British Press should all quit their day jobs and go busking instead.

Surely even the most determined Abductor Theorist realises by now that 90% of what the UK press claim is complete and utter BS.

But then again, probably not.  They seem remarkably dim and easily led, by the crocodile tears and story changes with barely a question. 



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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 26, 2014, 06:38:47 AM

More worrying is the fact that The Portuguese Police knew about this man in 2006.
And two of the assaults happened in his home town in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on March 26, 2014, 06:45:58 AM


He is believed to have died from an undiagnosed cancer after collapsing at his home in August.


But blundering Portuguese police had failed to consider the prolific pervert as a suspect in the hunt for the youngster because the attacks were spread out across the Algarve.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-clue-british-paedo-3285796

So we manage to get in the obligatory BLUNDERING PJ and DEAD PERVERT in the equation.......

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: The Singularity on March 26, 2014, 07:23:37 AM
Oh excellent, Operation Grange have a DNA profile of this child abuser, if only the PJ had secured the apartment as a crime scene properly then they could have matched it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on March 26, 2014, 08:07:20 AM
What's even more worrying is the British justice system only sentencing him to 3 years. The article states "children" so it is therefore a sentence for multiple offences and yet it's such a lenient sentence? Something somewhere doesn't quite add up?

One source indicates it involved his children, 2 girls and a boy, indecent assault and gross indecency. He claims he only exposed himself to them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 26, 2014, 08:39:32 AM
Oh excellent, Operation Grange have a DNA profile of this child abuser, if only the PJ had secured the apartment as a crime scene properly then they could have matched it.

Is this the classic ploy of ' blame the perv, even though there's no proof, to take attention away from the mccanns'

Inspector Clouseau would be proud.

......and it does seem there are some very clueless cops involved at the moment in this case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 26, 2014, 08:50:20 AM
Oh excellent, Operation Grange have a DNA profile of this child abuser, if only the PJ had secured the apartment as a crime scene properly then they could have matched it.

I'm sure that Operation Grange has, or has access to millions of DNA profiles. It doesn't mean that they attach any particular significance to this one.

Have they made any comment, or is this just all the  media conjecture?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 26, 2014, 08:52:04 AM
I'm sure that Operation Grange has, or has access to millions of DNA profiles. It doesn't mean that they attach any particular significance to this one.

Have they made any comment, or is this just all the  media conjecture?

It's in the Mirror, end of.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 26, 2014, 08:56:20 AM
It's in the Mirror, end of.

Perhaps that newspaper should be retitled as the 'Daily Sardine Muncher'.

No irony there of course.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on March 26, 2014, 08:59:30 AM
What's even more worrying is the British justice system only sentencing him to 3 years. The article states "children" so it is therefore a sentence for multiple offences and yet it's such a lenient sentence? Something somewhere doesn't quite add up?

Yeah, that's the bit that jumped out at me too. The sad bit is that it does add up. Sentencing for child sex offenders seems incredibly lenient.

And doesn't their record follow them? Is it just a case of b....ring off abroad and suddenly you're a fine, upstanding citizen again?

I understand the reasons for not naming and shaming. It sends them underground and the police have a harder time watching them, but, I dunno, surely something   could be done?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 26, 2014, 09:51:12 AM
What's even more worrying is the British justice system only sentencing him to 3 years. The article states "children" so it is therefore a sentence for multiple offences and yet it's such a lenient sentence? Something somewhere doesn't quite add up?

At least The British Justice System caught him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on March 26, 2014, 10:05:58 AM
At least The British Justice System caught him.

If he's free to re offend after 18 months (it's usual to serve half a sentence in prison) then set up home elsewhere, without anyone monitoring him, should we really be thankful for that?

Are British children somehow more special and worthy of protection?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 26, 2014, 02:02:23 PM
26th March

Daily Record

Missing Madeleine McCann: British paedophile was living next to resort where youngster was snatched in 2007

CONVICTED paedophile David Reid was hiding in the Algarve at the time Madeleine McCann was taken from Praia da Luz in 2007.


A BRITISH paedophile jailed in the UK for sick sex attacks on children was hiding out on the Algarve when Madeleine McCann vanished.

David Reid fled his home and moved near Praia da Luz where she was snatched in 2007.

One of Reid’s victims had warned the pervert would not be able to contain his sick urges if allowed anywhere near children and could strike again.

The paedophile was hiding out on the Algarve at the time Madeleine McCann was snatched from Praia da Luz in 2007.

He had fled his home in Northern Ireland in a bid to hide his sordid past after being jailed for sexually abusing a string of young girls and a boy.

Speaking in 2006, one of his victims ­chillingly warned: “He’s a paedophile who will offend again. It’s part of his being. He’ll never change.

“Get your kids and family away from him. Never put temptation in front of him. He just won’t be able to resist it.”

Reid moved to the seaside resort of Carvoeiro, 30 miles from Praia da Luz, in 2004 after being freed from jail.

The same year the sleepy town was targeted by a lone child sex attacker who broke into apartments belonging to British holidaymakers, often abusing young girls in their beds.

Reid was completely unmonitored by the authorities while in Portugal because he was released from prison before the Sex Offenders’ Register was set up.

Three years after he settled in the Algarve, three-year-old Madeleine disappeared as her parents Kate and Gerry ate nearby with a group friends.

Carvoeiro is one of three resorts, including Praia da Luz, targeted by a prowling paedophile who is suspected of abusing five youngsters, aged seven to 10.

The sex attacks happened between 2004 and 2006 while the break-ins were reported up to 2010. Police believe they are likely to be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is spearheading the new UK police search for the missing youngster, said the sex attacks in Carvoeiro were at the “high end” in terms of seriousness.

The officer added that the man they are hunting “has a very unhealthy interest in young, white girls who he attacks whilst they are on holiday in their beds”.

Reid’s girl victims in the UK were white. The pervert died last year of cancer at the age of 61 or 62, according to locals in Carvoeiro – where he had been attacked in a bar after his sick past was exposed.

In most of the cases, as with the Madeleine kidnap, there was no sign of a forced entry and nothing was taken.

And in six of the 12 incidents the man sat on the children’s beds. In four he went on to commit serious sexual assaults. Most of the break-ins occurred in the off season when Reid was in the area.

The attacks took place within a 37-mile radius of Praia da Luz. Witnesses said the suspect smelt of smoke, was tanned and had dark hair. Reid was a chain smoker with dark hair who was tanned.

It is believed he could be on a list of 38 potential suspects currently being probed by British police. A Scotland Yard spokesman said: “No comment can be made on this ongoing investigation.”

Vile Reid got three years in 1995 for indecent assault and gross ­indecency in Belfast. After fleeing to Carvoeiro, which is popular with British ex-pats, he took up casual bar work and became a singer.

One local said residents had no idea about his perverted past and he was well-liked.

The former bar worker said: “He auditioned in England to come over to Portugal and work full time as the in-house musician at one bar. When he arrived in 2004 there was no ­suggestion of his past history at all and he made sure not to mention it.

“He was brought over and worked ­weekdays and weekends, hosting events at the singalongs. He was a good guitarist, and seemed like a good guy.” While keeping his vile past a closely guarded secret, Reid worked in several bars and became a popular member of the ex-pat community, mixing with the locals using his chatty, easy-going manner. He made his live act a hit in the town.

His lack of police ­monitoring meant he could roam the area without arousing suspicion. When a Mirror reporter recently questioned local police, an officer denied any knowledge of the sex attacker, despite him living just five minutes’ walk from their headquarters.

But Reid’s history finally caught up with him in 2006 when news of his convictions broke amongst the ex-pats. He suddenly became an outcast, with only the regulars at one bar willing to mix with him.

One ex-pat, who asked not to be named, said: “When everyone found out what had happened there was a lot of anger in Carvoeiro.

“But they kept him on at the bar, even after they knew what he’d done. The bar started losing business. The takings went down because nobody wanted to go in and watch a paedophile play guitar and try to entertain people. Nobody was interested.

"They allowed him to keep his job for two weeks before someone went in and attacked him. He was playing one night sitting in the corner when someone came in and punched him off his bar stool.

“That was when they finally let him go.”

Reid then worked as a part-time builder, living in a small house on a cliff-top overlooking the resort. Hoping the outrage over his past crimes would have died down, his bosses at the bar hired him again, months later.

But it was the same story in the tight-knit ex-pat community, and people refused to drink in a bar hosting the pervert. He was again axed.

The findings raise questions about whether Reid associated with groups of other ­paedophiles on the Algarve around the time Madeleine vanished.

Portuguese authorities may now conduct further inquiries to establish Reid’s movements around the time of her disappearance.

He is believed to have died from an undiagnosed cancer after collapsing at his home in August.

But his family last night said they were not aware of his death.

The Madeleine investigation took a new turn last week when DCI Redwood revealed the lone prowling paedophile link on BBC’s Crimewatch last week.

But blundering Portuguese police had failed to consider the prolific pervert as a suspect in the hunt for the youngster because the attacks were spread out across the Algarve.

Officers working on Operation Grange – a review into the Madeleine case – are in possession of the DNA of the intruder following one of his attacks.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/missing-madeleine-mccann-british-paedophile-3286702
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on March 26, 2014, 03:12:59 PM
A pathetically predictable article.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 26, 2014, 06:44:20 PM
26th March 2014

Daily Mail

Convicted British paedophile revealed to have been living close to Portuguese resort when Madeleine McCann was abducted

Convicted paedophile David Reid lived in the area at the time of abduction
 
He moved to Algarve resort in 2004 after being freed from jail in Britain

After this, a man broke into holiday homes and abused five British girls
 

A tanned, dark-haired man suspected of child sex assaults from 2004-2006
 

Madeleine McCann, aged three, was taken from Praia da Luz in May 2007

Police say paedophile is suspected of committing 12 break-ins in Algarve

Four were in Carvoeiro, six in the Vale da Parra, and two in Praia da Luz


A convicted British paedophile was living in the same area on the Portuguese coast at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance seven years ago, it has been revealed.
 
David Reid moved to Carvoeiro on the Algarve in 2004, after he was released from prison for sexually abusing young girls.
 
He was still living in the area  in 2007, when three-year-old Maddie was snatched from her family's holiday apartment while her parents were having dinner nearby.
 
The same year Reid arrived on the Algarve, several British families on holiday suffered break-ins and five young girls were abused in their beds.

 Chillingly, just months before Maddie McCann's disappearance, one of his victims had warned that Reid remained a threat to young girls and would offend again.
 
'It's part of his being. He'll never change,' the victim said, according to The Mirror.
 
'Get your kids and your family away from him, Never out temptation in front of him. He just won't be able to resist it.

 Reid, from Northern Ireland, was living just 30 miles from Praia da Luz, the holiday resort where the McCann family were staying, in 2007.
 
He was convicted and jailed for gross indecency and indecent assault in Belfast in 1995, but was able to move freely and unmonitored in Portugal as the sex offenders' register was not set up at the time of his release.

According to locals in Carvoeiro, Reid died last year aged 61 or 62, but his family in Britain has not been informed of his death, The Mirror reports.
 
The police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann took a step forward last week when detective announced that they are looking for a prolific paedophile who sexually abused five girls at holiday homes in the Algarve before the British toddler went missing.
 
The man, described as tanned, dark-haired and speaking English with an accent,  is suspected of breaking into holiday properties where British families were staying and sexually abusing five white British girls aged between seven and ten,

The sex attacks took place between 2004-2006, shortly before Madeleine vanished in 2007, and are among a series of 12 break-ins to holiday homes in the Algarve that police believe were committed by the same man.
 
In six of the break-ins, the man sat on or got into bed with young girls.  On one occasion, he abused two young girls in the same villa.
 
Two of the attacks were in the resort of Praia da Luz, where Madeleine was staying in a holiday apartment with her family when she was taken.
 
There were also four in Carvoeiro, where Reid was living, and six in the Vale da Parra, Praia da Gale district.

Most of the attacks took place in low season, police said.

They had previously been discounted by Portuguese investigators because they are spread over a wide geographical area and there were no apparent attempts at abduction.
 
Nine of the 12 incidents were reported to Portuguese police at the time they happened, and details of three of those became known to British investigators only after they made televised appeals last autumn.
 
Witnesses describe the man as having dark, tanned skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.
 
He was sometimes bare chested, some describe him as having a pot belly, and three victims said that he had a noticeable odour.

On two occasions in Vale de Parra and Praia da Gale he was wearing a distinctive burgundy long sleeve top, on one of those occasions it was described as having a white circle on the back.
 
DCI Redwood said: 'This is an offender who has got a very, very unhealthy interest in young, white, female children whom he is attacking whilst they are on holiday in their beds.'
 
Police said the suspect may have been in the villa or looking round the villa for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed either by a parent, or the child waking up, and said he remained calm, even when disturbed.

 On two occasions, they said, the noise of a bin collection lorry could be heard nearby.

DCI Redwood said today that tracing the man is one of his priority lines of inquiry.
 
He said: 'We need to establish the identity of this man - these offences are very serious and no-one has been charged in connection with them.' 

He said some of the offences were previously known about, but three of them, including what is believed to be the first in the series of 12 break-ins, were new reports to police and came about as a result of their appeal for more information last October.

Mr Redwood's team currently have 38 people classed as 'persons of interest' to the inquiry, and are also sifting through details of 530 known sex offenders whose whereabouts they cannot account for.
Of those 59 are classed as high priority, and some of those are British.
 
British investigators have so far sent three international letters of request to Portuguese authorities over the investigation, covering 41 priority areas for the team, involving 287 separate requests.

 Deputy Assistant Commissioner Martin Hewitt showed his anger at the slow pace of the legal process, saying: 'That's causing us frustration because we know what we want to do and we are ready to go with that. But the process is the process.'
 
Another 30 letters have been written to other European countries, but the force would not reveal where.
 
Madeleine, who was then nearly four, disappeared from her family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve on May 3 2007 as her parents dined at a nearby restaurant with friends.

 British detectives launched a fresh investigation into the youngster's disappearance in July last year - two years into a review of the case - and made renewed appeals on television in the UK, the Netherlands and Germany.

 After shelving their inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance in 2008, Portuguese authorities said last October that a review had uncovered enough new information to justify reopening it.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589664/Convicted-British-paedophile-revealed-living-close-Portuguese-resort-Madeleine-McCann-abducted.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on March 26, 2014, 06:48:43 PM
26th March 2014

Daily Mail



A convicted British paedophile was living in the same area on the Portuguese coast at the time of Madeleine McCann's disappearance seven years ago, it has been revealed.
 
David Reid moved to Carvoeiro on the Algarve in 2004, after he was released from prison for sexually abusing young girls.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2589664/Convicted-British-paedophile-revealed-living-close-Portuguese-resort-Madeleine-McCann-abducted.html

Bold bit: MSM speak for "The same landmass"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on March 27, 2014, 03:55:50 PM
Bold bit: MSM speak for "The same landmass"
Yes they turned 28.8 miles into "close to". Let's be thankful they did not say "inches away from PDL".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Estuarine on March 27, 2014, 05:37:05 PM
Yes they turned 28.8 miles into "close to". Let's be thankful they did not say "inches away from PDL".

Well it is only inches (mm)  on the map.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on March 31, 2014, 12:25:26 AM
There is an interesting article in The Algarve News,  written by journalist Len Port

I'm  hopeless at cut and paste,  but has anyone here read that recent article,  and care to comment on it  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 31, 2014, 12:29:28 AM


Update: Madeleine McCann’s case in a right old muddle – by Len Port

News of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann seems to be going round in circles. ‘Revelations’ turn out to be old stories recycled. ‘Key suspects’ come and go and are then brought back again. ‘New leads’ seem to be leading nowhere.
 
The British newspaper Mirror on March 25 declared: “Mirror investigation reveals that sicko David Reid was hiding in the Algarve at the time Madeleine McCann was taken from Praia da Luz.” The Daily Mail followed with much the same story.
 
Far from this being news, Reid’s criminal record and presence in the Algarve village of Carvoeiro was written about by the News of the World in 2006. Similar reports appeared in newspapers in Portugal in May 2008.
 
A popular musician and well-known locally as ‘Irish Dave’, Reid admitted he had served 18 months of a three-year sentence for indecent assault and gross indecency, as a result of complaints from his own children.
 
But he insisted he was not a pedophile and told reporters in 2008 he was “glad the skeletons are out of the closet.” He hoped people would let him “live in peace.”
 
Of course he was not counting on a ‘revelation’ as a result of a Mirror ‘investigation’ six years on.
 
The gist of the latest statement from the Met police in London on their investigation also sounded remarkably similar to what has long been in the public domain, but the so-called ‘quality’ press, along with the tabloids, churned it out as if it were not only a hot new lead, but even “a breakthrough.”

The Met statement appealed for further information on “a potential linked series of twelve crimes which occurred between 2004 and 2010, mostly in low season, whereby a male intruder has gained access to mainly holiday villas occupied by UK families on holiday in the Western Algarve.”
 
In four of the cases, the intruder is alleged to have sexually assaulted five white girls, aged between seven and ten years, in their beds.
 
Senior ex-police officers, led by former detective inspector Dave Edgar and hired by parents Kate and Gerry, looked into sexual attacks on at least five English girls between 2004 and 2007. Their findings were described in some detail by the News of the World in May 2009.
 
Kate McCann also wrote about the assaults in her book published in May 2012: “One of the most concerning and upsetting pieces of information to emerge quite early was the record of sexual crimes against children in the Algarve. This discovery made me feel physically sick. I read of five cases of British children on holiday being sexually abused in their beds while their parents slept in another room. In three further incidents, children encountered an intruder in their bedrooms, who was presumably disturbed before he had the chance to carry out an assault.”
 
Yet even The Times last week felt moved to report that “A sex attacker who preyed on young British girls holidaying with their families on the Algarve is a key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann seven years ago, police said today.”
 
Other “key” suspects over the past few months have included Gypsies, British cleaners, bogus East European charity workers and two mystery German-speaking men, but according to the latest Met statement, witnesses described the supposedly lone sex attacker as “having dark (as in tanned skin) with short dark unkempt hair.”
 
The Met did not identify the latest “key” suspect, but a headline in the Guardian the day after the Met appeal read: “Madeleine McCann suspect died in 2009.”
 
It called this a “revelation” gleaned from “a source close to Portuguese investigators.”
 
We had read it all before, of course.
 
Early last November, the Daily Mail, among many other papers, named and carried a photograph of a 40-year-old black African, saying the Portuguese police believed he may have killed Madeleine two years before he died in a tractor accident.
 
This disclosure came soon after all the BBC Crimewatch fuss over new e-fit images that turn out not be new at all, depicting a man who certainly did not look like a black African.
 
The Guardian’s source said the dead man had been at the center of Portuguese police inquiries since they reopened the case last October, but they had not drawn any definite conclusions about him.
 
He “could” have been involved in the five assaults on white girls – and even the disappearance of Madeleine – but it was no more than a “possibility,” the source said.
 
The Guardian also ran a story last week headlined: “Madeleine McCann: a breakthrough that could be devastating.”
 
It did not mean devastating to the widow of the smeared African, a man with no record of child molestation and no opportunity to defend himself.
 
The Guardian explained that by identifying a series of sex attacks, the Met Police had made a breakthrough in its investigation, but that based on similar cases, “it could mean an end to hopes that Madeleine is alive.”
 
It is a hope many have long abandoned. Even Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the senior British investigating officer, has conceded she may have died in the apartment.
 
Portuguese detectives and prosecutors, as well as specialist British investigators and a British police dog handler, came to that conclusion years ago.
 
The former lead detective in the original Portugal investigation, Gonçalo Amaral, reiterated in a recent interview his firm belief that Madeleine died in the apartment the same day or night she disappeared.
 
As reported in the Algarve Resident, he claimed his investigation was marred by high-level political involvement, which left DNA samples untested and key witnesses overlooked.
 
Amaral and his many supporters completely reject the notion that Madeleine was abducted – and, indeed, there is no hard evidence to support the theory.
 
In using the term ‘abduction’ or ‘kidnapping’ of Madeleine McCann, the mainstream media rarely qualify this assertion with words such as ‘alleged,’ ‘possible’ or ‘suspected.’
 
Nor were such words used when Redwood said last week: “The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd, 2007.”
 
Twenty thousand pounds! It’s a far cry from the £2.5 million reward offered within days of Madeleine’s disappearance, and a drop in the ocean compared to the millions Kate and Gerry have since received in donations, on top of the amount the Met has spent so far in its fruitless search.

http://portuguese-american-journal.com/update-madeleine-case-in-a-right-old-muddle-by-len-port/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on March 31, 2014, 01:29:29 AM
Thankyou WS

Quite a fearless little article,  isn't it  ?   

...  and nothing in it that can be denied either 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 31, 2014, 01:33:51 AM
Yes they turned 28.8 miles into "close to". Let's be thankful they did not say "inches away from PDL".
Not far by car, especially if he lived in between.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on March 31, 2014, 03:16:20 AM
Quote
The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on May 3rd, 2007.
IMO it would make sense to change one word to "disappearance".
It's a suitably generic word, which avoids predicting the solution before it's solved, and should not offend anyone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 31, 2014, 08:19:31 AM
IMO it would make sense to change one word to "disappearance".
It's a suitably generic word, which avoids predicting the solution before it's solved, and should not offend anyone.

It certainly would, but any such change now would be leaped upon as a significant departure from previously, even if it were just tidying up official language. Then we'd then have endless argument over exactly what it signified.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on March 31, 2014, 08:27:48 AM
It certainly would, but any such change now would be leaped upon as a significant departure from previously, even if it were just tidying up official language. Then we'd then have endless argument over exactly what it signified.

good point and absolutely true
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 31, 2014, 10:03:56 AM
IMO it would make sense to change one word to "disappearance".
It's a suitably generic word, which avoids predicting the solution before it's solved, and should not offend anyone.
In general terms "disappearance" is fine, but when describing the reward of £20,000, that is for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann. 

The word there has to be abduction, cos that is what they are talking about the reward being for.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on March 31, 2014, 01:23:01 PM
In general terms "disappearance" is fine, but when describing the reward of £20,000, that is for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann. 

The word there has to be abduction, cos that is what they are talking about the reward being for.

A reward of £20,000, that is for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the disappearance  of Madeleine McCann. 

Seems to work.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on March 31, 2014, 01:50:33 PM
A reward of £20,000, that is for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the disappearance  of Madeleine McCann. 

Seems to work.
Yep, I guess you are right, but it doesn't have an urgent ring to it..

But they are after an abductor, so why not use the proper word?  It has much more urgency about it too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 31, 2014, 11:49:47 PM
This is a direct quote from the Met website...

 The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. "

Surely the use of the term 'abduction' is not compatible with the comment made last week by SY that Madeleine might not have left the apartment alive.

www.met.police.uk/madeleine-mccann-appeal/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 01, 2014, 08:04:18 AM
A view from the Algarve.

AN INTERESTING READ.

http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%98please-help-luz%E2%80%99-plea-as-madeleine-%E2%80%9Ccircus%E2%80%9D-descends-on-village-again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 01, 2014, 09:04:08 AM
The Portugal Resident
31 March 2014

 
As British television networks once again descend on Praia da Luz in the run-up to the seventh anniversary since Madeleine McCann went missing, a local resident has come out fighting.

"It's time to turn things round," she told us. "Every year it is the same ... British journalists arrive and dredge up more nonsense about Luz. We are meant to be overrun with child molesters, burglars, homosexuals, Eastern European child-snatchers ... Whatever next? Will it be the Taliban?

"They are back again now and this time they have interviewed a homeless person and a 'prophet'," the long-term resident told us on Saturday. "They have paid for these interviews. Now, they are apparently looking for a well-known gay man.

"These are the stories the British newspapers are looking for! They are not interested in the views of the real people of Luz - all of whom are fed up to the back teeth with the village being shown in such a bad light."

The "homeless person" - a "perfectly pleasant man, but never sober" - is not a representational figure of local residents, explained the woman, and the "prophet" is someone who wears a turban and "walks around with a pole with a light on the top of it".

"Neither can be considered typical Luz residents, but nor are they in any way threats to the community," she added.

The expat woman, who asked not to be named as she has "no wish to be a hero", said: "It is time Luz had a voice."

"Last year, when the news people were asking questions as they do every year, I went up to the interviewer and said I would like to say a word or two.

"I said I wanted to know why they weren't interviewing the McCanns for gross negligence that had led to a fatal result. He just dropped me because they don't want to hear anything like that. They only want to report about people they can label as "weirdos".

"Quite honestly, I feel it is time Luz turned round and sued the McCanns for slander.

"I would like to stand as a voice for Luz. Who will want to come here after all the negative publicity? The British newspapers paint the village as one full of terrible people. This is grotesquely unfair. It has got to stop!"

As is so often the case, concern over speaking out has left this voice of Luz for now unnamed. She told us "everyone feels the same" - and behind the scenes few would disagree.

A high-ranking staff member at Luz Ocean Club told the Resident earlier this year: "Luz has taken such a battering over the last seven years. It really is time to do something for this community - help it rally round." But, like the anonymous "voice of Luz", the man asked not to be identified.

Meantime, the Ocean Club is one of the prime movers behind a community triathlon event planned later this month precisely to promote the picturesque village "before the holiday season gets underway".

http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%98please-help-luz%E2%80%99-plea-as-madeleine-%E2%80%9Ccircus%E2%80%9D-descends-on-village-again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 01, 2014, 09:06:42 AM

As British television networks once again descend on Praia da Luz in the run-up to the seventh anniversary since Madeleine McCann went missing, a local resident has come out fighting.

"It's time to turn things round," she told us. "Every year it is the same ... British journalists arrive and dredge up more nonsense about Luz. We are meant to be overrun with child molesters, burglars, homosexuals, Eastern European child-snatchers ... Whatever next? Will it be the Taliban?

"They are back again now and this time they have interviewed a homeless person and a 'prophet'," the long-term resident told us on Saturday. "They have paid for these interviews. Now, they are apparently looking for a well-known gay man.

"These are the stories the British newspapers are looking for! They are not interested in the views of the real people of Luz - all of whom are fed up to the back teeth with the village being shown in such a bad light."

The "homeless person" - a "perfectly pleasant man, but never sober" - is not a representational figure of local residents, explained the woman, and the "prophet" is someone who wears a turban and "walks around with a pole with a light on the top of it".

"Neither can be considered typical Luz residents, but nor are they in any way threats to the community," she added.

The expat woman, who asked not to be named as she has "no wish to be a hero", said: "It is time Luz had a voice."

"Last year, when the news people were asking questions as they do every year, I went up to the interviewer and said I would like to say a word or two.

"I said I wanted to know why they weren't interviewing the McCanns for gross negligence that had led to a fatal result. He just dropped me because they don't want to hear anything like that. They only want to report about people they can label as "weirdos".

"Quite honestly, I feel it is time Luz turned round and sued the McCanns for slander.

"I would like to stand as a voice for Luz. Who will want to come here after all the negative publicity? The British newspapers paint the village as one full of terrible people. This is grotesquely unfair. It has got to stop!"

As is so often the case, concern over speaking out has left this voice of Luz for now unnamed. She told us "everyone feels the same" - and behind the scenes few would disagree.

A high-ranking staff member at Luz Ocean Club told the Resident earlier this year: "Luz has taken such a battering over the last seven years. It really is time to do something for this community - help it rally round." But, like the anonymous "voice of Luz", the man asked not to be identified.

Meantime, the Ocean Club is one of the prime movers behind a community triathlon event planned later this month precisely to promote the picturesque village "before the holiday season gets underway".

http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%98please-help-luz%E2%80%99-plea-as-madeleine-%E2%80%9Ccircus%E2%80%9D-descends-on-village-again

Excellent article, on the unheard voices.

Victims of the aftermath of the mccanns behaviour.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 01, 2014, 09:16:49 AM
Police follow trail of fraudsters East.

Two men who made fake collections using photos of handicapped children are being investigated.

Since the BBC television programme 'Crimewatch' aired where we saw the reconstruction of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, English police have received 250 calls and emails with multiple leads - some being more important than others.  Scotland Yard are now tracking two men with Eastern Europe features who were seen making fake collections for disabled children and disappeared the day after the disappearance of the  three-year-old girl.  The men were seen knocking on doors of apartments in the holiday village.  They presented cards with the photograph of a child in a wheelchair.  They identified themselves using Portuguese names, but did not speak the language well.  The morning after the disappearance, the two men were seen drinking coffee and shots.  Later they disappeared. Police have examined the cards that they used to borrow money and saw that one side was in Portuguese and the other content in English - both languages ​​had several misspellings. These two men are part of a long list of suspects that British police are looking for that may have kidnapped the British girl.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/policia-segue-rasto-de-burloes-de-leste

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 01, 2014, 09:19:41 AM
Police follow trail of fraudsters East.

Two men who made fake collections using photos of handicapped children are being investigated.

Since the BBC television programme 'Crimewatch' aired where we saw the reconstruction of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in May 2007 in Praia da Luz in the Algarve, English police have received 250 calls and emails with multiple leads - some being more important than others.  Scotland Yard are now tracking two men with Eastern Europe features who were seen making fake collections for disabled children and disappeared the day after the disappearance of the  three-year-old girl.  The men were seen knocking on doors of apartments in the holiday village.  They presented cards with the photograph of a child in a wheelchair.  They identified themselves using Portuguese names, but did not speak the language well.  The morning after the disappearance, the two men were seen drinking coffee and shots.  Later they disappeared. Police have examined the cards that they used to borrow money and saw that one side was in Portuguese and the other content in English - both languages ​​had several misspellings. These two men are part of a long list of suspects that British police are looking for that may have kidnapped the British girl.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/policia-segue-rasto-de-burloes-de-leste

It would be hardly surprising that con-men disappeared with a large Police presence. Now if they had disappeared the night before, a different ball game.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on April 01, 2014, 12:47:50 PM
What do you mean by t
Excellent article, on the unheard voices.

Victims of the aftermath of the mccanns behaviour.his Stephen -


I don't think it was the McCann's who revealed that there were sexual deviants in Luz,   the Portuguese Police  opened their investigation based on the reports of holiday makers that a man assaulted their children in their beds.

How are the McCann's to blame for journalists turning up at Luz?

Don't they want this man found?

I doubt very much if this is the voice of the people of Luz.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on April 01, 2014, 01:06:19 PM
What do you mean by t
Excellent article, on the unheard voices.

Victims of the aftermath of the mccanns behaviour.his Stephen -


I don't think it was the McCann's who revealed that there were sexual deviants in Luz,   the Portuguese Police  opened their investigation based on the reports of holiday makers that a man assaulted their children in their beds.

How are the McCann's to blame for journalists turning up at Luz?

Don't they want this man found?

I doubt very much if this is the voice of the people of Luz.

Ah.  It all becomes clear.  Certain factions in Praia de Luz don't want to discuss this sexual predator that was on the loose in their supposedly safe holiday village before The McCanns ever arrived.
It will be interesting to see what The Press makes of this.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 02, 2014, 12:33:46 AM
Ah.  It all becomes clear.  Certain factions in Praia de Luz don't want to discuss this sexual predator that was on the loose in their supposedly safe holiday village before The McCanns ever arrived.
It will be interesting to see what The Press makes of this.

That's not what the article suggests to me

I would say it is an exasperated expression of   "ENOUGH  already !"  from someone who has had a gutful of being maligned and slandered  ...  but who is fearful of speaking out openly because the McCann Juggernaut is  scarey

I would guess that person sums up the general feeling in that area of Portugal 

That's  how the article reads to me anyway 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on April 02, 2014, 01:15:18 AM
That's not what the article suggests to me

I would say it is an exasperated expression of   "ENOUGH  already !"  from someone who has had a gutful of being maligned and slandered  ...  but who is fearful of speaking out openly because the McCann Juggernaut is  scarey

I would guess that person sums up the general feeling in that area of Portugal 

That's  how the article reads to me anyway

The people of Portugal have never been malilgned or slandered to my knowledge.  Only certain elements of their police force have been criticised - and rightly so IMO.  Even their own have done that.

Quote

ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example. What a criminal investigation should not be.
Unquote 

I have no idea what the general feeling is - I suppose it depends largely on whether the scurrilous lies constantly printed in the Portuguese press about the McCanns and their friends were believed or not.





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on April 02, 2014, 01:31:07 AM
It would be hardly surprising that con-men disappeared with a large Police presence. Now if they had disappeared the night before, a different ball game.
An excellent post. Yes if these two men had just commited a extremely serious crime on Thursday evening, I doubt very much they would hang around the town until Friday morning to have a nice relaxing cup of coffee in a cafe.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 02, 2014, 01:42:14 AM
An excellent post. Yes if these two men had just commited a extremely serious crime on Thursday evening, I doubt very much they would hang around the town until Friday morning to have a nice relaxing cup of coffee in a cafe.

Unusual news !

I agree with Stephen and Pegasus on this !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on April 02, 2014, 02:04:22 AM
Unusual news !
I agree with Stephen and Pegasus on this !
IMO true seekers of the truth, coming from completely opposite initial beliefs, will inevitably converge onto the single and correct solution.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 02, 2014, 03:17:24 AM
The people of Portugal have never been malilgned or slandered to my knowledge.  Only certain elements of their police force have been criticised - and rightly so IMO.  Even their own have done that.

Quote

ANTONIO MARINHO PINTO: (translated) I’m convinced the McCann case will feature in Portuguese judicial history as a bad example. What a criminal investigation should not be.
Unquote 

I have no idea what the general feeling is - I suppose it depends largely on whether the scurrilous lies constantly printed in the Portuguese press about the McCanns and their friends were believed or not.

So you respect the opinion of the  Praia De Luz resident quoted in this article  then  ? 

That's good
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 02, 2014, 03:59:26 AM
The people of Praia da Luz never asked for any of this so no wonder they are bitter.  The bad press which the village has received and continues to receive is appalling. No wonder the villagers feel so hard done by.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on April 02, 2014, 09:50:21 AM
The people of Praia da Luz never asked for any of this so no wonder they are bitter.  The bad press which the village has received and continues to receive is appalling. No wonder the villagers feel so hard done by.


I can honestly say that I have never read anything anywhere criticising the inhabitants of PdL or the village itself.   

 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on April 02, 2014, 09:58:23 AM
So you respect the opinion of the  Praia De Luz resident quoted in this article  then  ? 

That's good

I'm not sure what their opinion is - are they complaining about the Press or the fact that a little girl disappeared from PdL ?   I can understand the first - but not the second.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on April 02, 2014, 10:49:38 AM
That's not what the article suggests to me

I would say it is an exasperated expression of   "ENOUGH  already !"  from someone who has had a gutful of being maligned and slandered  ...  but who is fearful of speaking out openly because the McCann Juggernaut is  scarey

I would guess that person sums up the general feeling in that area of Portugal 

That's  how the article reads to me anyway

Which person who declined to be named? There were two.


A high-ranking staff member at Luz Ocean Club told the Resident earlier this year: "Luz has taken such a battering over the last seven years. It really is time to do something for this community - help it rally round." But, like the anonymous "voice of Luz", the man asked not to be identified.


One would seem to be John Hill who was a key contact helping to organise the triathlon. And why would that quote be a direct reference to Madeleine's disappearance? It no doubt put PdL on the map for unfortunate reasons and the massive media presence during the first months may not be everyone's idea of a peaceful holidy, but there was a serious Euro crisis unfolding as well. Unless the McCanns are also responsible for that...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 02, 2014, 10:54:45 AM
My sympathies lie with Maddie and her family who are the victims of an awful crime. Any anger should be directed at the abductor/murderer.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 02, 2014, 12:03:20 PM
IMO true seekers of the truth, coming from completely opposite initial beliefs, will inevitably converge onto the single and correct solution.  8(0(*
That would be good pegasus.

That is the reason why I came on here.  For sensible discussion and the revealing of real info that the "other" side has, combined with what "our" side has found.

It would be good if we could combine our respective skills and knowledge.  Myths and half truths are no good tho.  They simply muddy the water



Let's do that.  Combine our seperate skills and factual knowledge without rancour.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 03, 2014, 08:47:20 PM
That would be good pegasus.

That is the reason why I came on here.  For sensible discussion and the revealing of real info that the "other" side has, combined with what "our" side has found.

It would be good if we could combine our respective skills and knowledge.  Myths and half truths are no good tho.  They simply muddy the water



Let's do that.  Combine our seperate skills and factual knowledge without rancour.

Remind me Sadie, how many Madeleine's and Joana's have you spotted now to add to the Morocco and Amsterdam nonsense?   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on April 04, 2014, 02:18:20 AM
That would be good pegasus.
That is the reason why I came on here.  For sensible discussion and the revealing of real info that the "other" side has, combined with what "our" side has found.
It would be good if we could combine our respective skills and knowledge.  Myths and half truths are no good tho.  They simply muddy the water
Let's do that.  Combine our seperate skills and factual knowledge without rancour.
Well my opinion of what happened is radically different to anything I have seen posted but I am only an amateur armchair pretendy-detective on their first case so have written mainly the bit I'm moderately sure of, which is not much more than a hypothesis of an exact reason for waking  and going into another room. I find useful and interesting posts from people of widely varying opinions. Evolving a theory to fit discovered facts is the way to go IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on April 20, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Madeleine McCann police on the trail of five British holiday flat owners - but they are refusing to cooperate



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zMzvnyJV
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 20, 2014, 12:44:05 AM
Madeleine McCann police on the trail of five British holiday flat owners - but they are refusing to cooperate



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zMzvnyJV

The article says that a full list of owners was never provided to local police but why not?  Ocean Club might not own some of the apartments but they all come under the auspices of the resort under annual agreements.  Ocean Club Resort thus know who the owners are or at least who acts for them as proxy.

I have always held the view that OCR were negligent in failing to provide proper security at the resort and also of failing to warn clients to take certain precautions when leaving the apartments.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on April 20, 2014, 12:51:37 AM
Madeleine McCann police on the trail of five British holiday flat owners - but they are refusing to cooperate



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zMzvnyJV

Portugal police are not being very helpful, why ? >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 01:11:16 AM
Portugal police are not being very helpful, why ? >@@(*&)

Why indeed?

Surely it is in everyone's interest to try and find out what happened to Madeleine nearly seven years ago.
 
Shame on everyone who is deliberately holding up the inquiry, particularly the ex-pats.  What are they trying to hide?


“They are working hard to gather this information as quickly as possible and have appealed for full co-operation from everybody involved. But they are having to tread on eggshells.
"They would happily go round Praia da Luz and knock on doors asking everybody for information if they could.
“But they are still waiting for ­permission on the international letters of request they have sent to the ­Portuguese.” 
The formal letters are used to ask the Portuguese police to carry out certain pieces of work on the British force’s behalf.
“The frustrations at Scotland Yard are growing day by day,” said our source.
“The Portuguese police just keep referring them to what is in their files and that is not the full picture.”  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-trail-five-3434162#ixzz2zNb3XPj6
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: peter claridge on April 20, 2014, 07:21:58 AM
The article says that a full list of owners was never provided to local police but why not?  Ocean Club might not own some of the apartments but they all come under the auspices of the resort under annual agreements.  Ocean Club Resort thus know who the owners are or at least who acts for them as proxy.

I have always held the view that OCR were negligent in failing to provide proper security at the resort and also of failing to warn clients to take certain precautions when leaving the apartments.

Do not leave your children unattended in an unlocked apartment (not that it was unlocked) when you go out for the evening... that sort of thing?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 20, 2014, 08:17:51 AM
Now when it comes to newspapers talking total crapola on this case 'the mirror' cannot be beaten.

The home of the 'sardine munchers' xenophobic headline.

Can these stories and it would appear SY's efforts get any more pathetic ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 09:26:36 AM
Now when it comes to newspapers talking total crapola on this case 'the mirror' cannot be beaten.

The home of the 'sardine munchers' xenophobic headline.

Can these stories and it would appear SY's efforts get any more pathetic ?

In my opinion, Stephen, New Scotland Yard are doing their job.   

What is the huge problem these people have if they are prepared to obstruct the search for a missing child? 

I think newspapers are much more careful about what they print than they were back in 2007, but it remains to be seen if this story will be picked up by other media outlets, or if as in the case of the erroneous Sunday Times article, the story is retracted and an apology issued. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 20, 2014, 09:31:43 AM
In my opinion, Stephen, New Scotland Yard are doing their job.   

What is the huge problem these people have if they are prepared to obstruct the search for a missing child? 

I think newspapers are much more careful about what they print than they were back in 2007, but it remains to be seen if this story will be picked up by other media outlets, or if as in the case of the erroneous Sunday Times article, the story is retracted and an apology issued.

Obstructing their job.

Pure speculation.

SY literally don't have a clue and they are clutching at proverbial straws in an attempt to justify the £6,000,000 plus spent so far.

it is a complete charade.

.....and of course if there is no actual evidence of abduction. >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 20, 2014, 10:02:26 AM
In my opinion, Stephen, New Scotland Yard are doing their job.   

What is the huge problem these people have if they are prepared to obstruct the search for a missing child? 

I think newspapers are much more careful about what they print than they were back in 2007, but it remains to be seen if this story will be picked up by other media outlets, or if as in the case of the erroneous Sunday Times article, the story is retracted and an apology issued.

Robert Murat was the first casualty of those trying to help the investigation and he wasn't the last. There have been reports of people being hassled by PI's and the fund.

If it were me, I think I'd have to try and help, but if I were elderly and firmly believed that I knew nothing of value, maybe I'd just want to avoid all the drama and opt for a quiet life.

This article may well be the reason they don't want to get involved. Imagine yourself in that position? You've declined to give your name to the police in relation to something that happened 7 years ago and you knew nothing about and it ends up in a national newspaper.

Not a great way to get people to comply with your wishes. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 10:04:57 AM
Obstructing their job.

Pure speculation.

SY literally don't have a clue and they are clutching at proverbial straws in an attempt to justify the £6,000,000 plus spent so far.

it is a complete charade.

.....and of course if there is no actual evidence of abduction. >@@(*&)

and there won’t ever be any evidence at all of what happened to Madeleine if ‘omerta’ is the flavour of the month. 

The flat owners are one thing, the letters of request are entirely another, and if the report is accurate that nothing has been done about these, it puts an entirely different complexion on the case, IMO.

It also adds unnecessary costs to the investigation by deliberately drawing it out for longer than necessary. 

Who is to say that may not be the object of the exercise. 
The Portuguese economy is in dire straights at the moment and can well do without the expense. 
Thoughts of a General Election are looming in Britain.

Any one who may be involved in Madeleine's disappearance in any way, must be ecstatic about what is going on. 

If as it now seems, there is not the will in Portugal to progress the case, these will be the beneficiaries.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 10:09:53 AM
Robert Murat was the first casualty of those trying to help the investigation and he wasn't the last. There have been reports of people being hassled by PI's and the fund.

If it were me, I think I'd have to try and help, but if I were elderly and firmly believed that I knew nothing of value, maybe I'd just want to avoid all the drama and opt for a quiet life.

This article may well be the reason they don't want to get involved. Imagine yourself in that position? You've declined to give your name to the police in relation to something that happened 7 years ago and you knew nothing about and it ends up in a national newspaper.

Not a great way to get people to comply with your wishes.

I would think black burning shame of myself if I abrogated my civic and humane duty and refused to assist in the search for a missing child.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2014, 10:23:47 AM
Robert Murat was the first casualty of those trying to help the investigation and he wasn't the last. There have been reports of people being hassled by PI's and the fund.

If it were me, I think I'd have to try and help, but if I were elderly and firmly believed that I knew nothing of value, maybe I'd just want to avoid all the drama and opt for a quiet life.

This article may well be the reason they don't want to get involved. Imagine yourself in that position? You've declined to give your name to the police in relation to something that happened 7 years ago and you knew nothing about and it ends up in a national newspaper.

Not a great way to get people to comply with your wishes.

So from your post you accept the article is basically accurate
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2014, 10:32:48 AM

Gosh, well,  If it's written in the Mirror then it must be true.

Whatever happened to the imminent arrests of the burglary 3?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2014, 10:41:24 AM
So more hard evidence that SY does not consider tha McCanns suspects....and it seems the reason that no progress is being made is the non cooperation of the portuguese
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2014, 10:54:40 AM
I would think black burning shame of myself if I abrogated my civic and humane duty and refused to assist in the search for a missing child.

I would happily assist in the search for a missing child, but I wouldn't get involved in a pseudo search for a dead one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 11:22:16 AM
I would happily assist in the search for a missing child, but I wouldn't get involved in a pseudo search for a dead one.

There is no evidence that Madeleine is dead, unless you can prove otherwise. 

Whatever the cause or the outcome, Madeleine McCann is not only an innocent but a victim, and society has a duty to find out what happened to her and bring whoever is responsible to justice. 

I do not believe this is a pseudo search and find it extraordinary that there are those who endeavour to throw it off track in what I am coming round to thinking is fear that what happened to Madeleine might be discovered.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 20, 2014, 11:31:50 AM
There is no evidence that Madeleine is dead, unless you can prove otherwise. 

Whatever the cause or the outcome, Madeleine McCann is not only an innocent but a victim, and society has a duty to find out what happened to her and bring whoever is responsible to justice. 

I do not believe this is a pseudo search and find it extraordinary that there are those who endeavour to throw it off track in what I am coming round to thinking is fear that what happened to Madeleine might be discovered.

I never said there was, but there is certainly a lack of evidence she is alive, and there is one major certainty in life, that being of course death.

I'm not quite sure how my post could be seen as throwing the search off track & that last part is just bonkers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2014, 12:33:37 PM
There is no evidence that Madeleine is dead, unless you can prove otherwise. 

Whatever the cause or the outcome, Madeleine McCann is not only an innocent but a victim, and society has a duty to find out what happened to her and bring whoever is responsible to justice. 

I do not believe this is a pseudo search and find it extraordinary that there are those who endeavour to throw it off track in what I am coming round to thinking is fear that what happened to Madeleine might be discovered.
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I think quite a few people have thought that for many years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 02:57:13 PM
There is no evidence to prove that she is alive.

So in the absence of proof of death and in the absence of proof of life don't you think that if there is a chance of proving it either way, Madeleine deserves that chance.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 20, 2014, 03:06:02 PM
Now when it comes to newspapers talking total crapola on this case 'the mirror' cannot be beaten.

The home of the 'sardine munchers' xenophobic headline.

Can these stories and it would appear SY's efforts get any more pathetic ?

It beggars the question, assuming the Mirror isn't publishing lies, who at Scotland Yard is leaking this information and what are they receiving in return.  Maybe it is about time Redwood made a public statement about these events since leaving the British Press to invent stories just isn't good enough imo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 20, 2014, 03:10:31 PM
Robert Murat was the first casualty of those trying to help the investigation and he wasn't the last. There have been reports of people being hassled by PI's and the fund.

If it were me, I think I'd have to try and help, but if I were elderly and firmly believed that I knew nothing of value, maybe I'd just want to avoid all the drama and opt for a quiet life.

This article may well be the reason they don't want to get involved. Imagine yourself in that position? You've declined to give your name to the police in relation to something that happened 7 years ago and you knew nothing about and it ends up in a national newspaper.

Not a great way to get people to comply with your wishes.

You have to remember too that there were Brits out there with much to hide for reasons other than are connected with Madeleine  McCann.  Undeclared income from rentals being one of them  8(0(*

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 20, 2014, 03:12:35 PM
It beggars the question, assuming the Mirror isn't publishing lies, who at Scotland Yard is leaking this information and what are they receiving in return.  Maybe it is about time Redwood made a public statement about these events since leaving the British Press to invent stories just isn't good enough imo.

I don't think Redwood can make a public statement...he can hardly say he is unhappy with the Portuguese...perhaps officres at SY are getting frustrated and letting the press know off the record how they feel
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2014, 03:16:55 PM
I don't think Redwood can make a public statement...he can hardly say he is unhappy with the Portuguese...perhaps officres at SY are getting frustrated and letting the press know off the record how they feel

Potentially dangerous game to play, as there may well be dissenting voices within the team and if they all start leaking, who knows what might come out
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 20, 2014, 03:29:36 PM
Posters are again warned that off topic posts are liable to be expunged.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 20, 2014, 06:53:57 PM
So in the absence of proof of death and in the absence of proof of life don't you think that if there is a chance of proving it either way, Madeleine deserves that chance.


So for how many more years will this 'search' go on for ?

As I said earlier SY are clutching at straws. Burglars; Persons of Interest; Mysterious Inhabitants of Other Apartments;...........

Whatever next ?

.............and why should the taxpayer keep paying for it ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 20, 2014, 07:45:13 PM

So for how many more years will this 'search' go on for ?

As I said earlier SY are clutching at straws. Burglars; Persons of Interest; Mysterious Inhabitants of Other Apartments;...........

Whatever next ?

.............and why should the taxpayer keep paying for it ?

In my opinion New Scotland Yard are trying to carry out a professional policing operation. 

It would seem they are being deliberately obstructed and prevented from doing so.

The current investigation is being delayed and the costs escalated by individuals who are refusing to co-operate by failing to provide basic information i.e. who was present in their property in a block of flats from where a child vanished.

On top of that there seems to be some difficulty implementing letters of request sent to the Portuguese authorities some months ago. 

Again delay = more expense. 

The only beneficiaries of these delays and added expense are the perpetrators of this crime. 

The losers are Madeleine McCann, the British taxpayer and perhaps in the longer term the Portuguese tourist industry. 

In my opinion these avoidable delays are showing Portugal up in a very bad light as the people who have the power to progress the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance seem to be doing everything in their power to make sure it doesn’t happen.

"As I said earlier SY are clutching at straws. Burglars; Persons of Interest; Mysterious Inhabitants of Other Apartments;...........
Whatever next ?"

You don't think there were burglars operating in the complex?

You don't think NSY having looked at the evidence do not have persons of interest they wish to interview?

Why are the inhabitants of other apartments a mystery?  Could it be that the police didn't ask about them back in 2007?  Could it be that no-one is willing to give answers to the police asking about them in 2014?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on April 20, 2014, 07:54:34 PM

You don't think there were burglars operating in the complex?

You don't think NSY having looked at the evidence do not have persons of interest they wish to interview?

Why are the inhabitants of other apartments a mystery?  Could it be that the police didn't ask about them back in 2007?  Could it be that no-one is willing to give answers to the police asking about them in 2014?

I don't believe any of this will prove to be of any relevance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 20, 2014, 08:25:18 PM
In my opinion New Scotland Yard are trying to carry out a professional policing operation. 

It would seem they are being deliberately obstructed and prevented from doing so.

The current investigation is being delayed and the costs escalated by individuals who are refusing to co-operate by failing to provide basic information i.e. who was present in their property in a block of flats from where a child vanished.

On top of that there seems to be some difficulty implementing letters of request sent to the Portuguese authorities some months ago. 

Again delay = more expense. 

The only beneficiaries of these delays and added expense are the perpetrators of this crime. 

The losers are Madeleine McCann, the British taxpayer and perhaps in the longer term the Portuguese tourist industry. 

In my opinion these avoidable delays are showing Portugal up in a very bad light as the people who have the power to progress the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance seem to be doing everything in their power to make sure it doesn’t happen.

"As I said earlier SY are clutching at straws. Burglars; Persons of Interest; Mysterious Inhabitants of Other Apartments;...........
Whatever next ?"

You don't think there were burglars operating in the complex?

You don't think NSY having looked at the evidence do not have persons of interest they wish to interview?

Why are the inhabitants of other apartments a mystery?  Could it be that the police didn't ask about them back in 2007?  Could it be that no-one is willing to give answers to the police asking about them in 2014?

Professional ?

What do they have to show for spending over £6,000,000 of taxpayers money ?

Case delayed by individuals ?

Oh I agree on that one. The mccanns and tapas  grouping not cooperating in the original investigation.

The nature of the crime has not been ascertained, has it ?

Madeleine, a loser in this case, most definitely. A result of her parents undeniable incompetence in leaving her and her siblings completely unprotected and defenseless.

No link has been proved between burglars and this case, plenty of hot air without substance.

The mirror today and it's 'article'.

Well the mirror lost all respectability in this case when the xenophobic rants of Tony Parsons were printed in the paper.

The Leicestershire Police obstructed the PJ inquiry, in case you care to remember by refusing to supply information requested by the PJ..

Are you surprised that people don't want to be drawn into this case after what has happened ?

Murat for example.

The people of Portugal have suffered economically as a result of this case already, and who is to blame for that ?

Easy answer, the people responsible..........The mccanns.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 21, 2014, 10:00:46 AM
This latest news is not very encouraging, is it ?

We are told that five of the people on Scotland Yards   'persons of interest' list are  the owners of apartments in PDL   ...   that's  IT  ?  ...  they are   'of interest'  for no other reason than they happen to own property in the resort  ? 

I would have thought the questioning of these people would  be classed as merely routine  ...   yet here we are being told that these property owners are  'persons of interest'  as if they are of particular significance to the investigation

Three years and six million pounds later and anyone who happens to own property in PDL are the nearest thing Scotland Yard have to  'a suspect'   ?

Unbelievable  !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 21, 2014, 10:03:43 AM
This latest news is not very encouraging, is it ?

We are told that five of the people on Scotland Yards   'persons of interest' list are  the owners of apartments in PDL   ...   that's  IT  ?  ...  they are   'of interest'  for no other reason than they happen to own property in the resort  ? 

I would have thought the questioning of these people would  be classed as merely routine  ...   yet here we are being told that these property owners are  'persons of interest'  as if they are of particular significance to the investigation

Three years and six million pounds later and anyone who happens to own property in PDL are the nearest thing Scotland Yard have to  'a suspect'   ?

Unbelievable  !

Because it isn't true...you look at things in  a very simplistic way...we don't know what SY are investigating...from what we have heard this is just ONE of their avenues...this is how a proper police force investigates..they look at every piece of information, however small
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 22, 2014, 01:14:19 PM
It beggars the question, assuming the Mirror isn't publishing lies, who at Scotland Yard is leaking this information and what are they receiving in return.  Maybe it is about time Redwood made a public statement about these events since leaving the British Press to invent stories just isn't good enough imo.

According to an article in the Portugal Resident,  dated April 20, this  'news'  of unidentified apartment owners  is a rehashed  story first printed in the Daily Mirror in 2013

The article claims,  via a retired British police officer who has been following the case,   that Clarence Mitchell is responsible for this latest  're-hashing'  of old news 

Perhaps someone who can copy and paste will bring the article here  ...  it's  quite interesting  ( it is titled,  'British media slammed for "rehashing"  Madeleine stories'  )   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 22, 2014, 01:19:47 PM
British media slammed for “rehashing” Madeleine stories

As the 7th Madeleine disappearance anniversary approaches, a British newspaper has been slammed for publishing an ‘old story’ masquerading as a new lead.

The Daily Mirror reported on Saturday that detectives “working hard” on Operation Grange are trying to trace five mystery Britons who owned flats in the block in Praia da Luz from which Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007.

It is a story that first appeared in 2013, in the same paper - although then detectives were only looking for FOUR apartment owners.

Said one critic, a retired British policeman who has been closely following the Metropolitan Police investigation since it began nearly three years ago: “Is this really the sum total of another year’s ‘hard work’? “Has Scotland Yard spent another million, eight more visits to the PJ and a whole year - NOT finding out who owns those apartments? Honestly?”

According to the policeman, the source for this latest rehash story - “as well as all the others that have preceded it” - is the McCann’s press spokesman, Clarence Mitchell.

In 2008, Mitchell was described by former Portuguese police federation chief Carlos Anjos as a man who “lies with as many teeth as he has in his head”.

“Mitchell is still clearly in charge of this rubbish”, the retired policeman told Algarve Resident. “Why does no one expose him?”

This latest criticism came on the same day that the Algarve Resident received a call from local people in Luz asking us NOT to make any reference to the looming anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance.

“Every year it is the same”, the principal caller complained. “We are really appealing to you to not carry anything on the day. Just let it pass. If things go on as they are, newspapers will still be writing about this story in 25 years time!” It is a valid point, but as a recent story on attitudes in Praia da Luz showed (see our printed edition of April 2, or http://portugalresident.com/%E2%80%98please-help-luz%E2%80%99-plea-as-ma...) opinions on the mystery remain divided.

Much as locals may wish for an end to the media spotlight, interest in the story remains astonishing - hence the never-ending repeat revelations, particularly in the British media.

This latest by the Mirror centres on the apparent unwillingness of the five British apartment owners to cooperate with Operation Grange. And a new message within the body of the text highlights "the frustrations" that are reportedly growing every day between British police and their Portuguese counterparts. Says the Mirror, Grange detectives are “having to tread on eggshells”. “They would happily go round Praia da Luz and knock on doors asking everybody for information if they could, but they are still waiting for permission on the international letters of request they have sent to the Portuguese”.

One point, however - mentioned both in the ‘new’ story over the Easter weekend, and the story published by the Mirror in 2013 - is that Madeleine’s father Gerry McCann has said he feels the family were being watched throughout their fateful holiday. “If that truly is the case”, said the retired policeman in touch with Algarve Resident, “why on earth would he have left his children asleep on their own in the holiday apartment?”

Seven years on, over seven million euros spent on Operation Grange - not to mention money being ploughed into the reopened Portuguese police investigation - and despite all the ‘new’ stories, no one appears to have any answers as to what really happened to three-year-old Madeleine McCann.

http://portugalresident.com/british-media-slammed-for-%E2%80%9Crehashing%E2%80%9D-madeleine-stories
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 22, 2014, 01:20:43 PM
According to an article in the Portugal Resident,  dated April 20, this  'news'  of unidentified apartment owners  is a rehashed  story first printed in the Daily Mirror in 2013

The article claims,  via a retired British police officer who has been following the case,   that Clarence Mitchell is responsible for this latest  're-hashing'  of old news 

Perhaps someone who can copy and paste will bring the article here  ...  it's  quite interesting  ( it is titled,  'British media slammed for "rehashing"  Madeleine stories'  )   

http://portugalresident.com/british-media-slammed-for-%E2%80%9Crehashing%E2%80%9D-madeleine-stories


Edit: WS beat me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 22, 2014, 01:26:49 PM
Thanks WS  and Cariad

Quite an interesting article isn't it  ?

...   especially the bit about Scotland Yard,  a year on,  another million spent,   and eight visits to Portugal later  ...  and they  still   don't know who owns those  apartment  !

Money for old rope is the expression that springs to mind
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 22, 2014, 01:32:16 PM
Thanks WS  and Cariad

Quite an interesting article isn't it  ?

...   especially the bit about Scotland Yard,  a year on,  another million spent,   and eight visits to Portugal later  ...  and they  still   don't know who owns those  apartment  !

Money for old rope is the expression that springs to mind

My guess is that it's the paper treading the fine line between keeping Madeleine in the news and not stepping on too many toes in New Scotland Yard.

Yeah, money for old rope.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 22, 2014, 01:36:25 PM
My guess is that it's the paper treading the fine line between keeping Madeleine in the news and not stepping on too many toes in New Scotland Yard.

Yeah, money for old rope.

not stepping on too many toes in New Scotland Yard.

But stepping on toes someone clearly is, briefing anonymously against the PJ & in effect SY & attempting to cause friction between the two, that's the way I see it.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 23, 2014, 12:05:06 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27122951


Madeleine McCann disappeared from her holiday apartment in May 2007
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories

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McCann detective on new lead Watch
UK Madeleine detectives in Portugal
Police investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance are now looking at 18 potentially linked cases of a lone intruder breaking into Algarve villas.

Nine of those concern alleged sexual assaults against British girls aged six to 12 between 2004 and 2006.

They include an assault on a 10-year-old in 2005 in Praia de Luz - the same resort from which three-year-old Madeleine vanished in May 2007.

Scotland Yard says it hopes UK officers will begin operations in Portugal soon.

The Metropolitan Police said six incidents had come to light since a special appeal on the McCann case was made last month.

Burgundy top
Two families said the intruder had worn a distinctive burgundy long-sleeved top
They include the incident involving the 10-year-old, which was not reported to police in either country until now.

The other cases were reported to Portuguese police at the time.

So far more than 500 people have been in contact with information since the March appeal.

'Bare-chested'
Investigators from Scotland Yard are waiting for an official agreement later this week which would allow them to begin "operational activity" on Portuguese soil.

Dep Asst Commissioner Martin Hewitt said: "I am cautiously optimistic that in the not-too-distant future we are going to start to see activity."

Mr Hewitt would not reveal what the operations would involve.

Detectives said last month the lone intruder was described as tanned with dark hair.

They said the man was bare-chested in some of the attacks, and some witnesses said he had a pot belly. Three victims said he had a "noticeable odour".

Two of the families said the intruder had worn a distinctive burgundy long-sleeved top, and one family said the top had a white circle on the back.

The man was said to have spoken English slowly, with a foreign accent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 23, 2014, 12:18:52 PM
http://www.met.police.uk/madeleine-mccann-appeal/


Following an appeal in March, officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have had a positive response to the appeal which has led to a number of new lines of enquiry.

Detectives overseeing the investigation specifically appealed for further information leading to the identification of a suspect who may have been responsible for a potentially linked series of twelve offences on the Western Algarve region between 2004 and 2010.

As a direct result of a media appeal on 19 March the investigation team subsequently received over 500 calls. Information from those calls has led to the identification of six new cases involving children. These six are in addition to the twelve that had previously been brought to their attention.

These new cases are similar to a number of the originally identified twelve offences whereby a male intruder has gained access to holiday villas occupied by UK families in the Western Algarve.

Of the six new cases, all but one had been reported to the Portuguese police at the time of the offence. Five involve sexual assaults on children and one was a ‘near miss'. Of particular interest to the team is that one of the new sexual assaults took place in Praia da Luz in 2005.

Sufficient characteristics between the cases lead them to now believe that 18 matters in total concerning children may be potentially linked.
◾Three incidents that took place in Praia de Luz - between 2005 and 2010
◾Five incidents that took place in Carvoeiro between 2004 and 2006
◾Nine incidents that took place in the Praia de Gale, Vale de Parra, Sao Rafeal (Albuferia district) between 2004 and 2008
◾One incident that took place in Vilamoura in 2005, a new offence which has come to light since the March appeal.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, the senior investigating officer said:

"I'm encouraged by the new information that has come to light as a direct result of the appeal in March. There has been a huge public desire to assist us with our investigation and I would like to thank those who have provided us with new information."

Anyone with any information is asked to call the Operation Grange incident room on 0207 321 9251. Alternatively if you do not want to speak to us directly you can contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 23, 2014, 12:31:14 PM
So this new info came from an appeal made on March 19th , meanwhile the PJ who were informed about each case (apart from one) when they occurred have known all along.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 23, 2014, 12:42:21 PM
So this new info came from an appeal made on March 19th , meanwhile the PJ who were informed about each case (apart from one) when they occurred have known all along.

They've probably investigated it and come to the conclusion that it's nowt to do with MM then.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 23, 2014, 12:51:28 PM
They've probably investigated it and come to the conclusion that it's nowt to do with MM then.


Even tho I believe the Portuguese Police made several mistakes I wouldn't insult them by thinking they could come to such a conclusion as you suggest.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2014, 01:10:41 PM
They've probably investigated it and come to the conclusion that it's nowt to do with MM then.

I think you are absolutely right...the pj decided that none of these could have anything to do with MM because it was the parents wot done it...so no one was investigated...absolutely spot on
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 23, 2014, 01:22:48 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27122951


Madeleine McCann disappeared from her holiday apartment in May 2007
Continue reading the main story
Related Stories

Madeleine police seek sex attacker
McCann detective on new lead Watch
UK Madeleine detectives in Portugal
Police investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance are now looking at 18 potentially linked cases of a lone intruder breaking into Algarve villas.

Nine of those concern alleged sexual assaults against British girls aged six to 12 between 2004 and 2006.

They include an assault on a 10-year-old in 2005 in Praia de Luz - the same resort from which three-year-old Madeleine vanished in May 2007.

Scotland Yard says it hopes UK officers will begin operations in Portugal soon.

The Metropolitan Police said six incidents had come to light since a special appeal on the McCann case was made last month.

Burgundy top
Two families said the intruder had worn a distinctive burgundy long-sleeved top
They include the incident involving the 10-year-old, which was not reported to police in either country until now.

The other cases were reported to Portuguese police at the time.

So far more than 500 people have been in contact with information since the March appeal.

'Bare-chested'
Investigators from Scotland Yard are waiting for an official agreement later this week which would allow them to begin "operational activity" on Portuguese soil.

Dep Asst Commissioner Martin Hewitt said: "I am cautiously optimistic that in the not-too-distant future we are going to start to see activity."

Mr Hewitt would not reveal what the operations would involve.

Detectives said last month the lone intruder was described as tanned with dark hair.

They said the man was bare-chested in some of the attacks, and some witnesses said he had a pot belly. Three victims said he had a "noticeable odour".

Two of the families said the intruder had worn a distinctive burgundy long-sleeved top, and one family said the top had a white circle on the back.

The man was said to have spoken English slowly, with a foreign accent.


...........and we heard all this several weeks ago.

So what's new ???

Was this man the one who died in 2009 ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 23, 2014, 01:45:36 PM

...........and we heard all this several weeks ago.

So what's new ???

Was this man the one who died in 2009 ?

I think you've got that wrong, Stephen, this is not the information we were given several weeks ago, it is entirely new information involving attacks on other children which has been given to NSY.

I wonder if the various campaigns mounted against the McCanns would have had quite the same virulence if the British public had had this information conveyed to them in 2007.
As far as we were led to believe, Portugal was a 'safe' environment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 23, 2014, 02:11:32 PM
So now Scotland Yard want to investigate 18  crimes committed in the Agarve on the basis of a tenuos link with Madeleine McCann's disappearance   ?

No wonder there are so many  'letters of request'  clogging up the pipeline !

Andy and his team might as well pack their bags and set up shop in Portugal permanently  ...   then they can really fill their  boots solving all these crimes the inept Portuguese have 'failed' to 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 23, 2014, 03:19:45 PM
So now Scotland Yard want to investigate 18  crimes committed in the Agarve on the basis of a tenuos link with Madeleine McCann's disappearance   ?

No wonder there are so many  'letters of request'  clogging up the pipeline !

Andy and his team might as well pack their bags and set up shop in Portugal permanently  ...   then they can really fill their  boots solving all these crimes the inept Portuguese have 'failed' to

There's an undercurrent of bitterness in your post because SY continue to point the finger away from the McCanns.

Sy are doing things properly......who knows what they would discover if they were allowed to do their job...and they will be. Portugal can only obstruct for so long before they are forced to cooperate
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 23, 2014, 03:36:55 PM
I think you've got that wrong, Stephen, this is not the information we were given several weeks ago, it is entirely new information involving attacks on other children which has been given to NSY.

I wonder if the various campaigns mounted against the McCanns would have had quite the same virulence if the British public had had this information conveyed to them in 2007.
As far as we were led to believe, Portugal was a 'safe' environment.

No. I heard the sky news report. It was referring to a man who sat on the beds of some of his victims.

This is a rehash of the same story IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 23, 2014, 04:18:34 PM

Police investigate claims five more British girls have been sexually assaulted in Algarve by lone intruder as they hunt for 'smelly, pot bellied' Madeleine McCann suspect

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2611146/BREAKING-NEWS-Police-investigate-claims-five-British-girls-sexually-assaulted-Algarve-lone-intruder-hunt-smelly-pot-bellied-Madeleine-McCann-suspect.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 23, 2014, 04:35:12 PM
Imo the reason was more likely that the MO did not involve abduction, also the parents were on the premises as these intrusions happened overnight.

There have been cases of an intruder entering premises without making a forcible entry.

There have been instances of children being assaulted during these incursions. 

The children we have heard about who have been targeted are British and have been on holiday.

The police must be allowed to investigate to rule out or prove a link to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. 
It should be up to them to determine whether or not there is evidence to support or refute that this perpetrator has changed or modified his MO. 

How can there be criticism of an endeavour to discover a sexual predator whether or not the cases are linked to Madeleine’s?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 23, 2014, 04:51:43 PM
There have been cases of an intruder entering premises without making a forcible entry.

There have been instances of children being assaulted during these incursions. 

The children we have heard about who have been targeted are British and have been on holiday.

The police must be allowed to investigate to rule out or prove a link to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. 
It should be up to them to determine whether or not there is evidence to support or refute that this perpetrator has changed or modified his MO. 

How can there be criticism of an endeavour to discover a sexual predator whether or not the cases are linked to Madeleine’s?

That's a good point

If catching  this pervert is a by-product of the investigation then all strenth to their elbow
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on April 23, 2014, 08:26:10 PM
Out of interest is there anyone left here still labouring under the illusion that Scotland Yard still have the McCanns in their sights and are busy preparing a case against them?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 23, 2014, 08:49:18 PM
Out of interest is there anyone left here still labouring under the illusion that Scotland Yard still have the McCanns in their sights and are busy preparing a case against them?

Out of interest, is there anybody still labouring under the illusion that SY has found anything of substance whatsoever, and they are floundering  in trying to find a suspect for a crime that is still classified as 'unknown'  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 23, 2014, 08:59:56 PM
Maddie suspect linked to five more sex attacks on young girls near Portuguese resort

DETECTIVES are investigating five more sexual assaults on young British girls in Portugal between 2004 and 2006 in relation to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Authorities are now looking into nine sexual assaults and three "near misses" in total by a suspected lone intruder in the Algarve, where the three-year-old vanished in 2007.

Scotland Yard investigators are now "cautiously optimistic" of finding the truth as they line-up new operations on Portuguese soil.

Last month, investigators focused their intentions on a known paedophile who was said to be spotted carrying a girl of Maddie's description along a beach near her resort.

He was said to be responsible for a number of attacks on young girls in the tourist area of Praia Da Luz.

British officers are now looking into incidents where 18 holiday apartments were broken into and very little was stolen.

A 10-year-old British girl is said to have been one of the alleged victims in 2005, two years after Maddie went missing while on holiday with her parents.

Police say the break-ins could offer clues to how Maddie disappeared without a trace.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood said today: "As a result of those 500 calls, we have now identified a further five sexual assaults and one near miss. None of those six matters we were aware of prior to our appeal.

"In this new tranche of information we have got one crime which is very clearly in the heart of Praia da Luz in 2005, on a young, white, 10-year-old girl.

"Clearly the fact that we've now got an assault that is in the heart of Praia da Luz, very close to where a previous matter had been reported, means that we are even more interested in this as part of the inquiry.

"This offence now takes us into the resort so of course it is very significant in terms of trying to prove or disprove whether it has got anything to do with Madeline’s disappearance."

Witnesses described the key suspect as tanned, with dark hair and they say he spoke in English with a foreign accent.

A red t-shirt with a white hoop on the back, thought to be worn by the suspect, is being treated as key evidence by police.

A fresh investigation into the case was reopened last July after new evidence came to light.

Portuguese authorities still continue to work alone as British officers continue their own lines of inquiry.

Authorities are offering a £20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and prosecution of those responsible for Maddie's disappearance.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/375727/Maddie-suspect-linked-to-five-more-sexual-assaults-on-young-girls-in-Portuguese-resort



Last month, investigators focused their intentions on a known paedophile who was said to be spotted carrying a girl of Maddie's description along a beach near her resort.

He was said to be responsible for a number of attacks on young girls in the tourist area of Praia Da Luz.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on April 23, 2014, 09:37:54 PM
Out of interest, is there anybody still labouring under the illusion that SY has found anything of substance whatsoever, and they are floundering  in trying to find a suspect for a crime that is still classified as 'unknown'  ?
Your sentence doesn't make much sense tbh.  I think SY may have uncovered some very significant information concerning sex attacks on young female children of holidaymakers in the Algarve which could be relevant to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 23, 2014, 09:45:46 PM
Your sentence doesn't make much sense tbh.  I think SY may have uncovered some very significant information concerning sex attacks on young female children of holidaymakers in the Algarve which could be relevant to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

You're floundering Mr. Jones.

Can you precisely state what type of crime has occurred ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on April 23, 2014, 10:40:15 PM
You're floundering Mr. Jones.

Can you precisely state what type of crime has occurred ?
Floundering?

How about breaking and entering and sexual assault for starters?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 23, 2014, 11:05:47 PM
Floundering?

How about breaking and entering and sexual assault for starters?


Can you prove this hasca direct connection to the mccann case  ?

Because if you can't, you're floundering.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on April 23, 2014, 11:17:40 PM

Can you prove this hasca direct connection to the mccann case  ?

Because if you can't, you're floundering.

You need to re-read my last few posts.  I have not said there is PROOF that these cases are linked to the Madeleine McCann case.  However, it is clear that SY have uncovered something serious which needs investigating further and this discovery has come about  as a result of their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Of course, some people may choose not to see any link whatsoever between these break-ins and sexual assaults on young girls in PdL and the case of missing Madeleine McCann but it's obvious that SY at least are taking them seriously, and quite right too in my opinion.  I'm also interested to know, as I first asked earlier this evening, if anyone here is still labouring under the illusion that SY still view the McCanns as suspects and are putting together a case against them - and if so, what gives them that impression?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on April 24, 2014, 12:25:08 AM
Not sure if it has been mentioned but it looks like the bundleman is THE SUSPECT again..
I wonder why is that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on April 24, 2014, 12:30:22 AM
http://portugalresident.com/british-media-slammed-for-%E2%80%9Crehashing%E2%80%9D-madeleine-stories


Edit: WS beat me.

So what? And why Madeleine should not be mentioned? So what if there are old articles? Isn't it better if Madeleine has been spoken and written about?

For some obviously not and these 'some' are the property owners who wish the whole story to be brushed under a carpet and forgotten.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 01:07:30 AM
So what? And why Madeleine should not be mentioned? So what if there are old articles? Isn't it better if Madeleine has been spoken and written about?

For some obviously not and these 'some' are the property owners who wish the whole story to be brushed under a carpet and forgotten.
Well let's hope that is the reason.   A few posters I wonder about tbh
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on April 24, 2014, 01:29:13 AM
Looking at that map of the attacks at the Bbc
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27122951
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/74389000/gif/_74389413_madeleine_mccann_cases.gif)
It seems that most of the attacks happened in Albufeira
And also Albufeira seems to be mentioned awful lot in this case.. when you just google Madeleine and Albufeira all sorts of stories come up..

But the map is interesting.. I am sure if published in Portugal it would ring a bell to someone..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2014, 07:58:28 AM
You need to re-read my last few posts.  I have not said there is PROOF that these cases are linked to the Madeleine McCann case.  However, it is clear that SY have uncovered something serious which needs investigating further and this discovery has come about  as a result of their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Of course, some people may choose not to see any link whatsoever between these break-ins and sexual assaults on young girls in PdL and the case of missing Madeleine McCann but it's obvious that SY at least are taking them seriously, and quite right too in my opinion.  I'm also interested to know, as I first asked earlier this evening, if anyone here is still labouring under the illusion that SY still view the McCanns as suspects and are putting together a case against them - and if so, what gives them that impression?

some people may choose not to see any link whatsoever between these break-ins and sexual assaults on young girls in PdL and the case of missing Madeleine McCann

Yep, there aint any.

I'm also interested to know, as I first asked earlier this evening, if anyone here is still labouring under the illusion that SY still view the McCanns as suspects and are putting together a case against them - and if so, what gives them that impression

I believe SY already know who killed Maddie & that they are whitewashing accordingly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 24, 2014, 08:00:37 AM
some people may choose not to see any link whatsoever between these break-ins and sexual assaults on young girls in PdL and the case of missing Madeleine McCann

Yep, there aint any.

I'm also interested to know, as I first asked earlier this evening, if anyone here is still labouring under the illusion that SY still view the McCanns as suspects and are putting together a case against them - and if so, what gives them that impression

I believe SY already know who killed Maddie & that they are whitewashing accordingly.

Are the Portuguese actually treating the case as a murder inquiry I wonder ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 24, 2014, 08:12:04 AM

Last month, investigators focused their intentions on a known paedophile who was said to be spotted carrying a girl of Maddie's description along a beach near her resort.

He was said to be responsible for a number of attacks on young girls in the tourist area of Praia Da Luz.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/375727/Maddie-suspect-linked-to-five-more-sexual-assaults-on-young-girls-in-Portuguese-resort


Anyone seen this reported anywhere else?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 24, 2014, 08:53:10 AM
So what? And why Madeleine should not be mentioned? So what if there are old articles? Isn't it better if Madeleine has been spoken and written about?

For some obviously not and these 'some' are the property owners who wish the whole story to be brushed under a carpet and forgotten.

So what?

The Mirror article didn't highlight the plight of a missing child, it was just a cynical ploy to sell more copy! I'm sure you'd be crying foul if it was a rehash of the cadaver dogs or DNA evidence.

And why Madeleine should not be mentioned?

That was a request to a local paper from local people who are also victims of the tragedy. It's not like you or I calling the Guardian and requesting that they don't write anything.

So what if there are old articles? Isn't it better if Madeleine has been spoken and written about?

Again, would you feel the same way if old news about the parents and the t7 were being used? Madeleine herself was just the buzz word to get the paper sold. The rest was rubbish about apartment owners not wishing to be dragged in to what has become a bit of a farce.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2014, 09:03:57 AM
So what?

The Mirror article didn't highlight the plight of a missing child, it was just a cynical ploy to sell more copy! I'm sure you'd be crying foul if it was a rehash of the cadaver dogs or DNA evidence.

And why Madeleine should not be mentioned?

That was a request to a local paper from local people who are also victims of the tragedy. It's not like you or I calling the Guardian and requesting that they don't write anything.

So what if there are old articles? Isn't it better if Madeleine has been spoken and written about?

Again, would you feel the same way if old news about the parents and the t7 were being used? Madeleine herself was just the buzz word to get the paper sold. The rest was rubbish about apartment owners not wishing to be dragged in to what has become a bit of a farce.

Wasn't the sunday times article a cynical ploy to sell more copy...almost every article is....you are only upset with this one because once more it shows SY are NOT looking at the MccANNS
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 09:12:21 AM
Wasn't the sunday times article a cynical ploy to sell more copy...almost every article is....you are only upset with this one because once more it shows SY are NOT looking at the MccANNS

I wonder why it is that some on here get upset when SY investigate THEIR suspects?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2014, 09:39:58 AM
So what?

The Mirror article didn't highlight the plight of a missing child, it was just a cynical ploy to sell more copy! I'm sure you'd be crying foul if it was a rehash of the cadaver dogs or DNA evidence.

And why Madeleine should not be mentioned?

That was a request to a local paper from local people who are also victims of the tragedy. It's not like you or I calling the Guardian and requesting that they don't write anything.

So what if there are old articles? Isn't it better if Madeleine has been spoken and written about?

Again, would you feel the same way if old news about the parents and the t7 were being used? Madeleine herself was just the buzz word to get the paper sold. The rest was rubbish about apartment owners not wishing to be dragged in to what has become a bit of a farce.

One has sympathy with local people who may be inconvenienced by association with the ongoing search for a missing child. 
However, until Madeleine McCann is found I think it is something they are going to have to put up with.  Madeleine McCann and her family are the victims with whom I feel empathy.

New information is being investigated. 
Events may have happened between 2004 and 2010 but it is only now coming into the public domain. 

Madeleine's name may sell newspapers, but the newspapers also inform.
This story has been picked up worldwide and from the copy I’ve been reading there is genuine horror about the inactivity of police on the matter at the time when some of these cases were reported.
Portugal is being portrayed in a less than child friendly light and there is comment about the present apparent lack of police co-operation in trying to apprehend this offender.

IMO if Portugal is going to retrieve anything from the International bashing being received to its reputation, they are going to have to be seen to be working assiduously to bring these and Madeleine's case to conclusion.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 24, 2014, 09:44:37 AM
I wonder why it is that some on here get upset when SY investigate THEIR suspects?

THEIR suspects sadie ?

They have no authority to act in Portugal,unless the Portuguese allow them.

Now to the question I asked earlier, I wonder if the Portuguese are treating this case as murder ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 24, 2014, 09:49:24 AM
some people may choose not to see any link whatsoever between these break-ins and sexual assaults on young girls in PdL and the case of missing Madeleine McCann

Yep, there aint any.

I'm also interested to know, as I first asked earlier this evening, if anyone here is still labouring under the illusion that SY still view the McCanns as suspects and are putting together a case against them - and if so, what gives them that impression

I believe SY already know who killed Maddie & that they are whitewashing accordingly.

Here is the article you could be referring to Wonderfulspam.


http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/370427/PRIME-SUSPECT-Maddie-McCann-cops-investigating-paedo-who-targeted-holiday-homes-of-Brits
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 24, 2014, 09:55:50 AM
Wasn't the sunday times article a cynical ploy to sell more copy...almost every article is....you are only upset with this one because once more it shows SY are NOT looking at the MccANNS

I'm not upset. I'm fine, thank you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 09:56:34 AM
THEIR suspects sadie ?

They have no authority to act in Portugal,unless the Portuguese allow them.

Now to the question I asked earlier, I wonder if the Portuguese are treating this case as murder ?
Investigate, I said , NOT ACT

If PT will not allow them to act, then I think that it shows the level of cover up.  Happened with Casa Pia , did it not?

Only my opinion, but why are they stopping SYards progress?   Is PT hiding something BIG ?   Covering for someone extremely important .... or hiding a mega money making scam?

Just why are they stopping SYards progress, if it is true, of course?

It cant just be patriotic pride.



Think about it  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 24, 2014, 09:57:04 AM
One has sympathy with local people who may be inconvenienced by association with the ongoing search for a missing child. 
However, until Madeleine McCann is found I think it is something they are going to have to put up with.  Madeleine McCann and her family are the victims with whom I feel empathy.

New information is being investigated. 
Events may have happened between 2004 and 2010 but it is only now coming into the public domain. 

Madeleine's name may sell newspapers, but the newspapers also inform.
This story has been picked up worldwide and from the copy I’ve been reading there is genuine horror about the inactivity of police on the matter at the time when some of these cases were reported.
Portugal is being portrayed in a less than child friendly light and there is comment about the present apparent lack of police co-operation in trying to apprehend this offender.

IMO if Portugal is going to retrieve anything from the International bashing being received to its reputation, they are going to have to be seen to be working assiduously to bring these and Madeleine's case to conclusion.

The article was regarding the 5 apartment owners, not the sexual assaults.

The sexual assaults need to be investigated and the guy needs locking up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 24, 2014, 10:01:49 AM
Investigate, I said , NOT ACT

If PT will not allow them to act, then I think that it shows the level of cover up.  Happened with Casa Pia , did it not?

Only my opinion, but why are they stopping SYards progress?   Is PT hiding something BIG ?   Covering for someone extremely important .... or hiding a mega money making scam?

Just why are they stopping SYards progress, if it is true, of course?

It cant just be patriotic pride.



Think about it  >@@(*&)


No connection has been proved at all.

It's desperation to try to connect the cases.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on April 24, 2014, 10:36:50 AM
One has sympathy with local people who may be inconvenienced by association with the ongoing search for a missing child. 
However, until Madeleine McCann is found I think it is something they are going to have to put up with.  Madeleine McCann and her family are the victims with whom I feel empathy.

New information is being investigated.
 
Events may have happened between 2004 and 2010 but it is only now coming into the public domain. 

Madeleine's name may sell newspapers, but the newspapers also inform.
This story has been picked up worldwide and from the copy I’ve been reading there is genuine horror about the inactivity of police on the matter at the time when some of these cases were reported.
Portugal is being portrayed in a less than child friendly light and there is comment about the present apparent lack of police co-operation in trying to apprehend this offender.

IMO if Portugal is going to retrieve anything from the International bashing being received to its reputation, they are going to have to be seen to be working assiduously to bring these and Madeleine's case to conclusion.

It seems pretty clear that information about this prolific paedaphile is also only now coming to the attention of SY and via the public not the PJ.

IMO it could be the case that the GNR did not pass all of the reports of these attacks onto the PJ - hence DCI Redwood's comment that people who may have reported them in Portugal should not assume that they (SY) have been made aware of them via the PJ.

Pure speculation on my part but one cannot help wondering whether protecting the Tourist Industry took priority over protecting  UK children from a prolific paedaphile who they knew was on the loose.    If this was the case  aand if this was a directive from 'on high' in Portugal then it might explain their apparent reluctance to progress this line of enquiry.

It's all a bit late now - as the cat is out of the bag  -  and I agree with you Brietta that the best course of action for the Portuguese -  is to be seen to be addressing this 'lead' in full co-operation with SY.

Whether this man is connected to the McCann case or not.   He needs to be  found.  I cannot believe that some people are actually objecting to this line of enquiry. 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 10:59:31 AM
No connection has been proved at all.

It's desperation to try to connect the cases.
As far as WE ARE AWARE no connection between the two cases, I agree


But the fact that it appears there has been a massive cover up in the Casa Pia Case, with only small fry prosecuted appears to piont to involvement at a high level of officialdom.  Could there be a group of influential peeps that are prepared to cover up for important people ?


What do you think Stephen?   >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 11:25:41 AM
 8@??)(  8@??)(

At Benice and at Brietta. 

Both posts show above  in Benices post at:   Today at 10:36:50 AM »



Good thinking and well expressed, both of you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 24, 2014, 11:52:48 AM
Whether this man is connected to the McCann case or not.   He needs to be  found.  I cannot believe that some people are actually objecting to this line of enquiry. 

Exactly.

He needs to be stopped. How long has it been allowed to continue? Is anyone in Portugal actually investigating this paedophile? Why has it not been in the Portuguese press until now? Were the local residents not informed? Lots of questions to be answered.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2014, 11:54:07 AM
One has sympathy with local people who may be inconvenienced by association with the ongoing search for a missing child. 
However, until Madeleine McCann is found I think it is something they are going to have to put up with.  Madeleine McCann and her family are the victims with whom I feel empathy.

New information is being investigated. 
Events may have happened between 2004 and 2010 but it is only now coming into the public domain. 

Madeleine's name may sell newspapers, but the newspapers also inform.
This story has been picked up worldwide and from the copy I’ve been reading there is genuine horror about the inactivity of police on the matter at the time when some of these cases were reported.
Portugal is being portrayed in a less than child friendly light and there is comment about the present apparent lack of police co-operation in trying to apprehend this offender.

IMO if Portugal is going to retrieve anything from the International bashing being received to its reputation, they are going to have to be seen to be working assiduously to bring these and Madeleine's case to conclusion.

I agree with most of that, but I do have a caveat. Until I find anything to the contrary, I'll assume that the PJ side of Op Grange are doing their best with the resources at hand. There doesn't seem to be any centralised system (common database) between the GNR/PSP/PJ to share information at the moment (although work may have begun).

A tiny team can't be expected to collate every incident from various police forces, many of which may have been recorded on a typewriter and filed in boxes (heaven knows where) on their own.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 24, 2014, 11:55:59 AM
Whether this man is connected to the McCann case or not.   He needs to be  found.  I cannot believe that some people are actually objecting to this line of enquiry. 

Exactly.

He needs to be stopped. How long has it been allowed to continue? Is anyone in Portugal actually investigating this paedophile? Why has it not been in the Portuguese press until now? Were the local residents not informed? Lots of questions to be answered.

Having followed this case for some time I have always felt that the Portuguese police seem a little sloppy in their investigations. This seems to now being confirmed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 12:27:36 PM
Whether this man is connected to the McCann case or not.   He needs to be  found.  I cannot believe that some people are actually objecting to this line of enquiry. 

Exactly.

He needs to be stopped. How long has it been allowed to continue? Is anyone in Portugal actually investigating this paedophile? Why has it not been in the Portuguese press until now? Were the local residents not informed? Lots of questions to be answered.



 8@??)(
Every bit Drummer.  He needs to be stopped.

Seems children are treated cheaply on here by some.  Seems they dont matter?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on April 24, 2014, 02:17:24 PM
I feel it would be a waste of my precious time to try discussing the current news further.

Summary as I see it:
There is a path of children being attacked in the Portuguese coastal area. The attacker(s) haven't been caught.
It is PJs role to act and solve these crimes, otherwise the families with children would not feel safe holidaying in this area.  The things don't work as 'being secretive' and being brushed under the carpet. It is the right time these crimes are finally being solved. Like it or not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 24, 2014, 03:47:20 PM
I agree with most of that, but I do have a caveat. Until I find anything to the contrary, I'll assume that the PJ side of Op Grange are doing their best with the resources at hand. There doesn't seem to be any centralised system (common database) between the GNR/PSP/PJ to share information at the moment (although work may have begun).

A tiny team can't be expected to collate every incident from various police forces, many of which may have been recorded on a typewriter and filed in boxes (heaven knows where) on their own.

IMO very few police investigations anywhere in the world will ever run as they should. 

Hindsight is an exact science. 

I am sorry to sound as if I am blaming the Portuguese police for everything that went wrong with Madeleine’s case, because I am very well aware of the sterling work which was carried out at the time. 

I think this is evidenced by the amount of hard work put in by the plodding [not an insult, just recognition of methodical practice] persistence of the GNR which has provided the evidence which is enabling NSY and the PJ to turn up these lines of inquiry today. 

But it cannot be argued that elementary mistakes were made. 

I think the Portuguese authorities were wrong to charge Dr Amaral with the case of a missing child. 

His expertise lay in thief taking and organised crime and I think neither he nor his team were equipped with the training in child protection necessary in a case of this kind.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 04:19:13 PM
Whether this man is connected to the McCann case or not.   He needs to be  found.  I cannot believe that some people are actually objecting to this line of enquiry. 

Exactly.

He needs to be stopped. How long has it been allowed to continue? Is anyone in Portugal actually investigating this paedophile? Why has it not been in the Portuguese press until now? Were the local residents not informed? Lots of questions to be answered.

We have to be careful not to place the blame entirely at the feet of the GNR or the PJ.  We know that many incidents are never reported to the police for a variety of reasons and this applies whether the victims were Brits, Irish, Portuguese or from anywhere else.

It is also fact that many people are attempting to join the Madeleine bandwagon and are trying to make money out of stories in the Press.

On the other hand, could you blame the Portuguese for trying to protect their fragile tourist industry?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2014, 05:16:04 PM
IMO very few police investigations anywhere in the world will ever run as they should. 

Hindsight is an exact science. 

I am sorry to sound as if I am blaming the Portuguese police for everything that went wrong with Madeleine’s case, because I am very well aware of the sterling work which was carried out at the time. 

I think this is evidenced by the amount of hard work put in by the plodding [not an insult, just recognition of methodical practice] persistence of the GNR which has provided the evidence which is enabling NSY and the PJ to turn up these lines of inquiry today. 

But it cannot be argued that elementary mistakes were made. 

I think the Portuguese authorities were wrong to charge Dr Amaral with the case of a missing child. 

His expertise lay in thief taking and organised crime and I think neither he nor his team were equipped with the training in child protection necessary in a case of this kind.

 
Major Sequeira's report brought tears to my eyes. No one had any experience of such a situation but they adapted and put their hearts into the search and rescue operation, calling on everyone that they could think of to try to help find her. They remain unsung heroes in my view, even if their efforts were in vain.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id258.html

Then the PJ big boots marched in... which seems to be a different story.

The GNR asked around if anyone had any info... but who took charge of this? It doesn't seem to be the original GNR S&R team.

Who was actually responsible for the GNR officers casually asking around town if anyone had any info?

There doesn't seem to have been any coordination beyond the efforts of the S&R. And the official PJ coordinator had no experience of missing person cases beyond a dubious and still unresolved case in terms of what actually happened to the other missing child.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 24, 2014, 05:22:33 PM
The Portuguese daily, Correio da Manhã, now reporting that the police are aware of 11 victims of the predator as he entered 18 homes.  If this continues the local police are going to look totally inept!

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/policia-ja-tem-onze-vitimas-do-predador
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on April 24, 2014, 05:56:44 PM
http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=pt&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fdetalhe%2Fnoticias%2Fultima-hora%2Fpj-rejeita-investigacao-conjunta-com-britanicos-ao-desaparecimento-de-madeleine-mccann&edit-text=

The Judicial Police rejected a joint investigation with Scotland Yard to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, but British police are "cautiously optimistic" to proceed with due diligence in Portugal soon, said Deputy Assistant Commissioner, Martin Hewitt.
"Ideally a joint investigation, but the Portuguese police does not consider it necessary," said today in a meeting with reporters.
Hewitt be guaranteed "within the normal European structure" such joint investigations and pointed remember "three or four examples" in the UK, between the British police and foreign police forces.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on April 24, 2014, 07:19:32 PM
Is Madeline McCann still alive, there is no evidence for her to be alive. However there is no proof that she is dead but if she even was alive, which is very unlikely, she would look different as the "abductor" would try to disguise her to prevent suspicion of kidnapping a child. Furtheremore she would most likely be unable to remember anything of the incident.

She might be alive, however slim that chance is... there is nothing concrete to the contrary. If she is, she'll soon be 11 and many people will still remember the face of a 3-year-old.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 24, 2014, 07:46:56 PM
Is Madeline McCann still alive, there is no evidence for her to be alive. However there is no proof that she is dead but if she even was alive, which is very unlikely, she would look different as the "abductor" would try to disguise her to prevent suspicion of kidnapping a child. Furtheremore she would most likely be unable to remember anything of the incident.

Nicely put Bruce.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 24, 2014, 07:47:45 PM
She might be alive, however slim that chance is... there is nothing concrete to the contrary. If she is, she'll soon be 11 and many people will still remember the face of a 3-year-old.

What ??? 8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on April 24, 2014, 08:51:01 PM
some people may choose not to see any link whatsoever between these break-ins and sexual assaults on young girls in PdL and the case of missing Madeleine McCann

Yep, there aint any.

I'm also interested to know, as I first asked earlier this evening, if anyone here is still labouring under the illusion that SY still view the McCanns as suspects and are putting together a case against them - and if so, what gives them that impression

I believe SY already know who killed Maddie & that they are whitewashing accordingly.

And is your belief based on any tangible evidence or just your own "gut feel"?  Care to venture a reason why Scotland Yard would be taking part in a white-wash in this case?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Apostate on April 24, 2014, 08:59:01 PM
There must be an almost limitless number of unsavoury men who can be linked to the Algarve in some way - this investigation could go on for years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 24, 2014, 09:13:47 PM
Is Madeline McCann still alive, there is no evidence for her to be alive. However there is no proof that she is dead but if she even was alive, which is very unlikely, she would look different as the "abductor" would try to disguise her to prevent suspicion of kidnapping a child. Furtheremore she would most likely be unable to remember anything of the incident.

Welcome Bruce and a valid point.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 24, 2014, 10:14:31 PM
She might be alive, however slim that chance is... there is nothing concrete to the contrary. If she is, she'll soon be 11 and many people will still remember the face of a 3-year-old.

So sad  8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 25, 2014, 09:36:04 AM

Maddie anniversary brings shock new revelations

Portugal Resident

Days before the 7th anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, British detectives say they now know of at least one other child "abused in her bed while on holiday in the heart of Praia da Luz".

The news comes just as the village is getting ready for a fun-loving community sports event designed to kick off the season and bolster spirits after countless years in the Maddie shadow.

But no matter how hard people try to move on, 'revelations' keep coming - particularly to coincide with the May 3 anniversary.

This latest - announced to newspapers and news services on Wednesday - focuses on the pot-bellied male intruder with noticeable odour that Operation Grange, the Met’s special Maddie task force, revealed it was looking for last month.

Originally, Grange boss Andy Redwood said his team had identified 12 break-ins between 2004 and 2010, four of which had involved the sexual assaults of five white British girls on holiday.

Releasing the information, DCI Redwood appealed to the public for information.

As a result, Operation Grange is reported to have received up to 500 calls. Among these they have learned of six further incidents in the Algarve during the same time frame, says Redwood: five of which involved sexual assaults on young British holidaymakers (all girls) and one of which was a 'near miss'.

The fact that none of the assaults were made on children of Madeleine's age - nor were any of the girls removed from their beds never to be seen again - has not dissuaded investigators from the theory that they could all be linked to the little girl's disappearance in 2007.

"In this new tranche of information we have got one crime which is very clearly in the heart of Praia da Luz in 2005, on a young, white, 10-year-old girl", Redwood told journalists.

"Clearly the fact that we've now got an assault that is in the heart of Praia da Luz, very close to where a previous matter had been reported, means that we are even more interested in this as part of the inquiry."

According to BBC news: "The case involving the 10-year-old was not reported to police in either country until now.

"Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved alleged sexual assaults against British girls aged six to 12.

"Three took place in Praia da Luz, five in Carvoeiro, nine in Albufeira and one in Vilamoura".

As news services scramble to send the revelations all over the globe, residents in Luz are shaking their heads in disbelief.

"When will this end?" One asked us, visibly crestfallen. "A NEW sexual assault on a child, in Luz? Why have we never heard about it until now? And why are we hearing about it just in time for the 7th anniversary of the disappearance?"

Others were more belligerent. "These latest revelations are simply beyond belief", a former British policeman who has been actively following investigations told us.

"The totally Flat man - who managed to hide behind the door against the wall when Gerry (Madeleine's father) entered the room to do his check (just before Madeleine went missing), and Tannerman who was of medium slim build, and Smithman, who was not potbellied, and the Heroin Blackman have all suddenly been dropped in favour of trying to trace potbellied Smellyman - a fat man who can leap in a single bound through a tiny window, and take a sleeping child, whilst sedating two others in a way unknown to modern medical science, and then leap out again and VANISH without leaving his distinctive smell.

"It is all too ridiculous to even try to take on board"...

But "take on board" has been the order of the day for years.

News services simply repeat verbatim news purportedly coming from Scotland Yard, and occasionally even news reported to have come from PJ police in Portugal. And, as the little village of Praia da Luz bravely continues to try and turn the page, it appears likely to remain this way.

The countdown has begun on a triathlon event that will bring together Portuguese and foreigners alike on Saturday.

Meantime, British police, journalists, Madeleine McCann's parents, and even the former parish priest Haynes Hubbard - who befriended the couple when their little girl went missing - are all understood to be on their way back to Luz to focus attention once again on the world's most famous missing person.
http://portugalresident.com/maddie-anniversary-brings-shock-new-revelations
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 25, 2014, 10:01:10 AM
Maddie anniversary brings shock new revelations

Portugal Resident

Days before the 7th anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, British detectives say they now know of at least one other child "abused in her bed while on holiday in the heart of Praia da Luz".

The news comes just as the village is getting ready for a fun-loving community sports event designed to kick off the season and bolster spirits after countless years in the Maddie shadow.

But no matter how hard people try to move on, 'revelations' keep coming - particularly to coincide with the May 3 anniversary.

This latest - announced to newspapers and news services on Wednesday - focuses on the pot-bellied male intruder with noticeable odour that Operation Grange, the Met’s special Maddie task force, revealed it was looking for last month.

Originally, Grange boss Andy Redwood said his team had identified 12 break-ins between 2004 and 2010, four of which had involved the sexual assaults of five white British girls on holiday.

Releasing the information, DCI Redwood appealed to the public for information.

As a result, Operation Grange is reported to have received up to 500 calls. Among these they have learned of six further incidents in the Algarve during the same time frame, says Redwood: five of which involved sexual assaults on young British holidaymakers (all girls) and one of which was a 'near miss'.

The fact that none of the assaults were made on children of Madeleine's age - nor were any of the girls removed from their beds never to be seen again - has not dissuaded investigators from the theory that they could all be linked to the little girl's disappearance in 2007.

"In this new tranche of information we have got one crime which is very clearly in the heart of Praia da Luz in 2005, on a young, white, 10-year-old girl", Redwood told journalists.

"Clearly the fact that we've now got an assault that is in the heart of Praia da Luz, very close to where a previous matter had been reported, means that we are even more interested in this as part of the inquiry."

According to BBC news: "The case involving the 10-year-old was not reported to police in either country until now.

"Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved alleged sexual assaults against British girls aged six to 12.

"Three took place in Praia da Luz, five in Carvoeiro, nine in Albufeira and one in Vilamoura".

As news services scramble to send the revelations all over the globe, residents in Luz are shaking their heads in disbelief.

"When will this end?" One asked us, visibly crestfallen. "A NEW sexual assault on a child, in Luz? Why have we never heard about it until now? And why are we hearing about it just in time for the 7th anniversary of the disappearance?"

Others were more belligerent. "These latest revelations are simply beyond belief", a former British policeman who has been actively following investigations told us.

"The totally Flat man - who managed to hide behind the door against the wall when Gerry (Madeleine's father) entered the room to do his check (just before Madeleine went missing), and Tannerman who was of medium slim build, and Smithman, who was not potbellied, and the Heroin Blackman have all suddenly been dropped in favour of trying to trace potbellied Smellyman - a fat man who can leap in a single bound through a tiny window, and take a sleeping child, whilst sedating two others in a way unknown to modern medical science, and then leap out again and VANISH without leaving his distinctive smell.

"It is all too ridiculous to even try to take on board"...

But "take on board" has been the order of the day for years.

News services simply repeat verbatim news purportedly coming from Scotland Yard, and occasionally even news reported to have come from PJ police in Portugal. And, as the little village of Praia da Luz bravely continues to try and turn the page, it appears likely to remain this way.

The countdown has begun on a triathlon event that will bring together Portuguese and foreigners alike on Saturday.

Meantime, British police, journalists, Madeleine McCann's parents, and even the former parish priest Haynes Hubbard - who befriended the couple when their little girl went missing - are all understood to be on their way back to Luz to focus attention once again on the world's most famous missing person.
http://portugalresident.com/maddie-anniversary-brings-shock-new-revelations

If there is no deterrent for criminals and they can offend without the police taking proper action then they will continue to offend. Luz should not blame the McCanns but there own police force
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 25, 2014, 10:09:59 AM
Former policeman mentions, Tannerman, Smithman, Heroin Blackman, Smellyman etc. Why it looks like the former policeman has spent a lot of time in forumland. >@@(*&) >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on April 25, 2014, 10:15:58 AM
Former policeman mentions, Tannerman, Smithman, Heroin Blackman, Smellyman etc. Why it looks like the former policeman has spent a lot of time in forumland. >@@(*&) >@@(*&)

Yes it perhaps should read forum policeman who spends most of his life on line attacking the McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 25, 2014, 10:32:54 AM
I wonder if this retired policeman asked to remain anonymous? the Resident has quoted him twice this week without providing a name.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on April 25, 2014, 10:36:06 AM
Former policeman mentions, Tannerman, Smithman, Heroin Blackman, Smellyman etc. Why it looks like the former policeman has spent a lot of time in forumland. >@@(*&) >@@(*&)

I see this person  is anxious to let it be known he is a 'former UK policeman', but is careful not to reveal his name.     Says it all really.

He reminds me of the 'former UK policeman' who had himself videoed proving that the shutters at 5A COULD be opened from the outside - but it didn't occur to his keen detective's brain that  insodoing he was also exposing the myth being peddled at the time by his cronies  that  Gerry was lying through his teeth when he made that claim.    Oops! 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 25, 2014, 10:41:30 AM
Yes I remember the retired ex policeman who made a plonker of himself with the shutters. I also believe this is the same ex UK policeman who mocked a service for poor April Jones.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on April 25, 2014, 10:51:36 AM
Yes I remember the retired ex policeman who made a plonker of himself with the shutters. I also believe this is the same ex UK policeman who mocked a service for poor April Jones.

Indeed.    Also the same one who describes the parents of the UK children who were sexually assaulted in their own beds in Portugal as ''negligent''.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on April 25, 2014, 11:14:58 AM
Shooting the messenger again are we  ? 

How about we address what has been  said,   rather than personally attack those who say it
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 25, 2014, 11:51:50 AM

"When will this end?" One asked us, visibly crestfallen. "A NEW sexual assault on a child, in Luz? Why have we never heard about it until now? And why are we hearing about it just in time for the 7th anniversary of the disappearance?"


The residents need answers, why have they never heard about it before?

Why does it matter if it's being brought to attention now? Should the residents stay uninformed about a paedophile abusing young girls because the 7th anniversary is approaching?


What's wrong with people, why are they not interested in these findings, why do they believe it impossible that these abuses ever took place.

I understand that a family sports day has been planned with lots of fun to be had but quite frankly I would rather be told about paedophile abuse in my neighbourhood than a game of rounders.



If SY had waited until after the anniversary to announce these new findings I can imagine the uproar.

"Yard withheld information about paedophiles".

I think the residents need to start getting answers from their own police as to why they haven't heard about this before.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 25, 2014, 11:56:16 AM
We keep hearing in Press reports about the damage that Madeleine's disappearance has done to Praia da Luz but I just wonder has the opposite occurred.  Has the notoriety of the resort actually provided a boom in this current financial climate?

Taking the odd peep at the webcam (see top of page for link in yellow) reveals a constant trade.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 25, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
"When will this end?" One asked us, visibly crestfallen. "A NEW sexual assault on a child, in Luz? Why have we never heard about it until now? And why are we hearing about it just in time for the 7th anniversary of the disappearance?"


The residents need answers, why have they never heard about it before?

Why does it matter if it's being brought to attention now? Should the residents stay uninformed about a paedophile abusing young girls because the 7th anniversary is approaching?


What's wrong with people, why are they not interested in these findings, why do they believe it impossible that these abuses ever took place.

I understand that a family sports day has been planned with lots of fun to be had but quite frankly I would rather be told about paedophile abuse in my neighbourhood than a game of rounders.



If SY had waited until after the anniversary to announce these new findings I can imagine the uproar.

"Yard withheld information about paedophiles".

I think the residents need to start getting answers from their own police as to why they haven't heard about this before.

It is good that parents are aware before this family sports/ fun day because places where children congregate in a relaxed atmosphere are the places that Paedos are likely to come and view.... and maybe touch. 8(8-))    Creepy isn't it?


Best that they are aware and can keep an eye on things.



Hope they are well vetting the organisers and helpers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 25, 2014, 12:41:03 PM
It is creepy Sadie, unfortunately the impression I have (from info provided by many Portuguese posters), these things just don't happen in Portugal. Mention the words Paedo and Portugal in the same sentence and you get the usual shock horror.

I remember watching a programme discussing paedophiles  when my great Grandma entered the room, I was about to switch channels until she commented about it.  She said she was fully aware of paedophiles, incest etc as it happened often in her days but was brushed under the carpet. Mothers were afraid to believe daughters, mothers knowing about things going on but not doing anything to prevent them, kids being punished for telling lies etc families not wanting shame brought on them, whole communities shunning families when somebody did actually speak out.

Most countries have moved on now and the subject is discussed freely but I can't get my head around people still believing in this day and age that a place is  paedophile/child abuse free  . Why can't they understand that these abuses did happen and continue to happen and will continue to. Why feel the need to hide the truth, why not believe when a Police Detective states there has been sexual assaults of minors in your community. It's worrying.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 25, 2014, 05:12:33 PM
Sadly, the seventh anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance is almost upon us.  Hopefully what happened to her will be resolved before much longer.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on April 25, 2014, 10:24:40 PM
Why do those who are against the McCann's have to diss everything that SY say...do you know better than a experienced police force...???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 25, 2014, 11:19:10 PM
Why do those who are against the McCann's have to diss everything that SY say...do you know better than a experienced police force...???
8((()*/  They THINK they do
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on April 25, 2014, 11:34:20 PM
8((()*/  They THINK they do

Pleased you emphasised THINK!...The budding internet detectives lol  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 26, 2014, 12:17:36 AM
Pleased you emphasised THINK!...The budding internet detectives lol  8-)(--)
Actually, maybe I should have said:

"They PRETEND that they do, cos I doubt they really THINK it".  They are not THAT daft .... surely?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on April 26, 2014, 12:24:02 AM
Actually, maybe I should have said:

"They PRETEND that they do, cos I doubt they really THINK it".  They are not THAT daft .... surely?

surely not Sadie..but some think they know everything  but know nowt  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 26, 2014, 12:31:32 AM
surely not Sadie..but some think they know everything  but know nowt  8((()*/

Exactly !  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 26, 2014, 03:53:31 AM
Madeleine McCann’s parents have chosen not to apply for a death certificate – despite being entitled to one on the seventh anniversary of her disappearance next weekend.

Kate and Gerry McCann are so encouraged by Scotland Yard’s fresh leads into her disappearance that they will not seek for a Certificate of Presumed Death which applies after that period.

And they are so convinced Madeleine is still alive they are instead stepping up their efforts to find their daughter.

Her gran Susan Healy told the Mirror yesterday: “She could be found.”

And Kate herself has previously said: “Madeleine is still alive until someone proves otherwise.”

A person can legally be declared dead after seven years under British law despite the absence of direct proof of the victim’s death. But friends of the couple, from Rothley, Leics, said that was the “last thing on their minds” as they prepare for next Saturday’s grim milestone.

Their hopes of finding Madeleine, who would now be 10, have been boosted in recent months by the progress of a British police probe.

Scotland Yard detectives are believed to be poised for a breakthrough after their own three-year review that sparked a fresh investigation.

New evidence has come to light of a sex attack on a British girl of 10 in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine disappeared there. It is one of five new Algarve assaults uncovered by senior British detectives.

Madeleine vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort on May 03, 2007, just nine days short of her fourth birthday.

Despite no confirmed sightings of the youngster since that fateful night, Kate and Gerry cling to the hope she will be found alive.

Former GP Kate has said: “There is nothing to suggest Madeleine is not alive. We have to keep looking for her.

“We still have real hope. We all know cases of missing children, presumed dead and found alive years, sometimes decades, later.”

Kate has told how she had been “buoyed” by the efforts of Met Police and “relieved” the case had been reopened in Portugal.

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said last night: “Kate and Gerry are fully aware of the declaration of death. They still believe Madeleine is alive and are not applying for a certificate presuming she is dead. That is the last thing on their minds.”

The Presumption of Death Act, due to be reformed in October following a campaign, is based on a seven-year rule.

A Ministry of Justice spokesman said: “If after seven years a person is still missing and there has been no sight or contact with them, they are presumed dead.

“The family can then apply for a ­Certificate of Presumed Death from a court which allows them to help resolve that person’s affairs or simply to help give them some closure.

“This can be done without a body being found. No-one can prepare for the heartache and confusion which arises when a loved one disappears with no trace.”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/maddie-mccanns-parents-we-wont-3459122#ixzz2zxP2xms5
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 27, 2014, 07:03:45 AM
Peter Bleksley believes the shirt worn by the prime suspect was a rare design produced by beer company Super Bock.

It was not sold but given away to loyal customers and should be possible to trace.

The suspect is a child sex attacker who has been operating for years in the area of Portugal where Madeleine vanished in 2007.

His burgundy coloured top with a distinctive white ­circle on the back was described by the families of two of his victims.

The Yard has released a picture of the long-sleeve T-shirt.

Mr Bleksley, 54, a founder member of the Yard’s undercover squad, said: “Some people have suggested it bore a resemblance to a strip once worn by the Arsenal football team.

“However, I think a more likely explanation could be that the man was wearing one of these Super Bock promotional T-shirts.

"From speaking to bar owners I know the design for these T-shirts changes every year and only a certain number are handed out to regular customers.

“Therefore, it would be possible to check back on all the designs and the years they were produced and see which one bears most similarity to that witnessed by families of victims.

“Then it would be possible to check the distribution of the T-shirts to see where they were given out.

"Not all pubs bother with the promotion so through a process of elimination it may be possible to narrow down where such shirts may have been handed out and then bar owners could be asked about their customers.

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“We know that some victims said the man smelt of stale alcohol and tobacco and that he had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant.

"We know that some victims said the man smelt of stale alcohol and tobacco and that he had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant

“The man appears to target his victims after watching families and working out how to get into their holiday apartments, suggesting he is methodical and has his own modus operandi.”

The distinctive Super Bock logo of a white circle on a maroon background is used on signs outside pubs across Portugal.

In the Algarve resort of Carvoeiro we found a tradesman wearing one of the shirts with the words Super Man on it. He said he had owned the shirt for a number of years.

Last week the Sunday Express flew Mr Bleksley to the Algarve to assess the progress of the Yard’s investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, seven years ago this Saturday, when she was approaching her fourth birthday.

He arrived just as Scotland Yard announced that there were five more attacks on British girls in and around Luz, including a disturbing sexual assault on a girl of 10 in 2005 in the very resort from where Madeleine disappeared two years later.

The Yard are looking at 18 potentially linked cases of someone entering holiday homes.

They are focusing on 12 break-ins during which nine girls were attacked and three other cases described as near-misses.

Mr Bleksley said: “The Yard has a massive job on its hands to look into all these crimes and every tiny clue is important.

"The one solid clue comes from two families who report the intruder as wearing the top with the distinctive white circle.”

Mr Bleksley, whose book on unsolved murders, called Ten Most Wanted, highlighted shortcomings in police investigations, has analysed the McCann files for the Sunday Express.

He suggested it was time to go back to square one, with a new forensic sweep of material from the holiday apartment where she vanished.

Last week Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood revealed that some of the attacks on British girls had been reported to the GNR, the military-style police force that investigates minor crimes, but it appears the information was not passed on to the Policia Judiciaria, equivalent of the British CID.

Mr Bleksley said: “I was very alarmed to hear Mr Redwood suggest there may be forensic material relating to some of these attacks sitting in a GNR cupboard somewhere.

"Clearly, if this is the case these exhibits need to be found urgently.

“In fact, I would go further and say there needs to be a full re-examination of all known material on all 18 of the break-ins and particularly those during which girls were assaulted.”

He believes there should also be a full review of all forensics relating to Madeleine’s disappearance from apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.


MADELEINE MCCANN: Sunday Express special investigation seven years on from disappearance
“There was a case I looked into for my book where a review of all the forensics on the murder of a woman was re-examined 10 years after the crime and a breakthrough was made which led to a charge of murder.

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.

“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.

“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

“I sincerely hope the Met and the PJ work in tandem towards a shared goal. If these offences had happened in Britain, the victims would have been interviewed on video and the information processed and cross referenced to see if there were similarities to other reported offences and to see if a pattern emerged.

“This obviously was not done in Portugal so the Yard had to go right back to square one.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/472668/FOUND-Shirt-worn-by-Madeleine-McCann-suspect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 27, 2014, 07:08:55 AM
I'm just an amateur, but I'd've thought that if you found what you believe to be a vital clue in a live police investigation, that it would be illegal to then give that info to a newspaper?

What if this is actually a solid lead? Shouldn't the police be able to investigate it before its made public?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 27, 2014, 08:08:10 AM
Last week the Sunday Express flew Mr Bleksley to the Algarve to assess the progress of the Yard’s investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, seven years ago this Saturday, when she was approaching her fourth birthday.


I must admit to having had a chuckle at that comment.  Just what on earth could he possibly assess in Praia da Luz?  I despair of these newspaper reporters sometimes, I really do!

Looks like the Madeleine bandwagon has its wheels on again just in time for 3rd May.  Watch out PdL, the opportunists are about to descend upon you once more.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on April 27, 2014, 09:09:57 AM
I must admit to having had a chuckle at that comment.  Just what on earth could he possibly assess in Praia da Luz?  I despair of these newspaper reporters sometimes, I really do!

Looks like the Madeleine bandwagon has its wheels on again just in time for 3rd May.  Watch out PdL, the opportunists are about to descend upon you once more.

Well he had a little holiday at the expense of the Express. Probably with a few free drinks thrown in for good measure.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on April 27, 2014, 12:15:22 PM

His burgundy coloured top with a distinctive white ­circle on the back was described by the families of two of his victims.


Surely if they were that close they could clearly see the back of his TShirt they were close enough to jump on him?

Anyway I would have thought anyone could get hold of these shirts, and now IF this did happen all these sex attacks no one seems to be aware of, then the Tshirt is long gone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 27, 2014, 09:48:23 PM
Peter Bleksley believes the shirt worn by the prime suspect was a rare design produced by beer company Super Bock.

It was not sold but given away to loyal customers and should be possible to trace.

The suspect is a child sex attacker who has been operating for years in the area of Portugal where Madeleine vanished in 2007.

His burgundy coloured top with a distinctive white ­circle on the back was described by the families of two of his victims.

The Yard has released a picture of the long-sleeve T-shirt.

Mr Bleksley, 54, a founder member of the Yard’s undercover squad, said: “Some people have suggested it bore a resemblance to a strip once worn by the Arsenal football team.

“However, I think a more likely explanation could be that the man was wearing one of these Super Bock promotional T-shirts.

Arsenal were sponsored by O2 during 2005/06 season, I think O2 then went on to sponsor England Rugby Team, don't know who else they have sponsored but the shirt does resemble the O2 logo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 27, 2014, 10:57:43 PM
Wow!!  Front page news!!  The Daily Star turns the t-shirt revelation into a sensational breakthrough.

The fact is there is nowt which links this sex predator to Madeleine McCann.


(http://i.imgur.com/o77nJDz.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 27, 2014, 11:16:41 PM
I wonder if Mr Bleksley went straight to the press with his amazing new clue, and if he was paid for it. IIRC SY appeal for info to be sent to themselves/crimewatch not the Daily Star. I'm sure his amazing new clue was figured out by SY before his amazing relevation and they've acted accordingly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 27, 2014, 11:39:15 PM
And now the predators shirt has moved from this...

 (http://i.imgur.com/iRjhIVl.jpg?1)

...to this

(http://i.imgur.com/9bfo7MA.jpg?1)

Question is, could any eyewitness be so short sighted as to not have seen the name SUPER BOCK?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 27, 2014, 11:42:02 PM
I wonder if Mr Bleksley went straight to the press with his amazing new clue, and if he was paid for it. IIRC SY appeal for info to be sent to themselves/crimewatch not the Daily Star. I'm sure his amazing new clue was figured out by SY before his amazing relevation and they've acted accordingly.

The Sunday Express was boasting earlier of how they sent him to Praia da Luz so obviously Bleksley is on their payroll.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on April 27, 2014, 11:51:00 PM
Peter Bleksley believes the shirt worn by the prime suspect was a rare design produced by beer company Super Bock.

It was not sold but given away to loyal customers and should be possible to trace.

The suspect is a child sex attacker who has been operating for years in the area of Portugal where Madeleine vanished in 2007.

His burgundy coloured top with a distinctive white ­circle on the back was described by the families of two of his victims.

The Yard has released a picture of the long-sleeve T-shirt.

Mr Bleksley, 54, a founder member of the Yard’s undercover squad, said: “Some people have suggested it bore a resemblance to a strip once worn by the Arsenal football team.

“However, I think a more likely explanation could be that the man was wearing one of these Super Bock promotional T-shirts.

Arsenal were sponsored by O2 during 2005/06 season, I think O2 then went on to sponsor England Rugby Team, don't know who else they have sponsored but the shirt does resemble the O2 logo.

This one?

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ARSENAL-NIKE-O2-TRAINING-SHIRT-BURGUNDY-GREY-LARGE-MENS-GB-42-44-/00/s/MTAyNFg2Nzk=/z/ORUAAOxy7nNTWhtl/$_12.JPG)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 27, 2014, 11:58:50 PM
This one?

(http://i.ebayimg.com/t/ARSENAL-NIKE-O2-TRAINING-SHIRT-BURGUNDY-GREY-LARGE-MENS-GB-42-44-/00/s/MTAyNFg2Nzk=/z/ORUAAOxy7nNTWhtl/$_12.JPG)

Yes, I saw that one Anna.  Thing is, did these two witnesses see the back or the front of this guy, I suspect it was his back.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 28, 2014, 12:04:11 AM
I don't think this has been posted earlier so apologies if it has.

'Madeleine McCann is not a little girl any more': New image shows how she might look now.

THIS is how experts think missing Madeleine McCann may look now.

(http://i.imgur.com/awr05M6.jpg?1)

Saturday marks seven years since the little girl vanished.  New computer generated image of how Madeleine might look at age 10.

And on Thursday her mum Kate will relive the torment in a television interview with Lorraine Kelly.

Ahead of that an age progression expert has produced an image of how a ten-year-old Madeleine may look.

Jovey Mae Hayes, a forensic computer age progression expert, used the same techniques she has employed in numerous kidnapping and missing persons cases for police forces across America.

She said: “Madeleine would be much taller than her parents remember and, because girls begin to physically mature before boys, she would appear to them to have put on a little weight and her shoulders would appear broader.

“Her face would also be more filled out and it’s interesting to note from original photos that she has her mother’s eyes and father’s mouth.

“Her lips would look fuller now than they did when she was little and, at almost 11, her eyebrows would have begun to look more pronounced.”

She said Madeleine’s jawline would also be more defined and her nose would appear more elongated and a little wider.

She added: “The whole world remembers a little girl about to turn four from those posters.

“But she isn’t a little girl any more, although even not-so-close friends and relatives would probably recognise her from the likenesses to her parents that are still extremely evident.”

Madeleine was just three when she vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, on May 3, 2007. Scotland Yard believe she was abducted and last week gave details of a new “smelly, pot- bellied” suspect.

On the ITV interview on Thursday Kate McCann will reveal fresh hope in the search for her daughter.

But conscious of not wanting to spark a war between rival stations, ex-GP Kate, 45, will also be talking to the BBC, which recently screened a Maddie Crimewatch appeal.

A source close to Kate said: “She just wants to speak from the heart to thank the public for their continued support over these seven difficult years and to tell viewers that she still has hope Madeleine can be found alive.”

It is not yet clear if heart specialist husband Gerry, 45, will join Kate.

The couple, from Rothley, Leics, have been buoyed by “very significant” new information gathered by police.

The couple’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell said yesterday: “There is a lot of information that still needs to be checked and Kate and Gerry are hoping that it leads to Madeleine being found.”

www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/120662/New-image-shows-how-Madeleine-McCann-might-look-seven-years-on
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on April 28, 2014, 12:05:06 AM
I thought the back too, but I cant find one with o2 on the back unless it was a copy
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: drummer on April 28, 2014, 12:23:55 AM
Thanks for the photo Anna. The o2 is usually on the front with the players number on the back, (football) not sure about rugby. I do think most rugby shirts are long sleeved tho. Do we know if it was the parents or the children who identified this circle?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 28, 2014, 12:46:41 AM
Thanks for the photo Anna. The o2 is usually on the front with the players number on the back, (football) not sure about rugby. I do think most rugby shirts are long sleeved tho. Do we know if it was the parents or the children who identified this circle?

Weren't the victims supposed to be asleep or drugged?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cornelius on April 28, 2014, 08:53:17 AM
I must admit to having had a chuckle at that comment.  Just what on earth could he possibly assess in Praia da Luz?  I despair of these newspaper reporters sometimes, I really do!

Looks like the Madeleine bandwagon has its wheels on again just in time for 3rd May.  Watch out PdL, the opportunists are about to descend upon you once more.

When was the last time a newspaper reporter played a major role in the solution of a significant crime?
Ignoring Woodward and Bernstein.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cornelius on April 28, 2014, 11:57:35 AM
I must admit to having had a chuckle at that comment.  Just what on earth could he possibly assess in Praia da Luz?  I despair of these newspaper reporters sometimes, I really do!

Looks like the Madeleine bandwagon has its wheels on again just in time for 3rd May.  Watch out PdL, the opportunists are about to descend upon you once more.

There is the minor inconvenience of Portugal celebrating the 40th anniversary of freedom from dictatorship his month.
Madeleine and Andy who?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on April 28, 2014, 01:25:44 PM
There is the minor inconvenience of Portugal celebrating the 40th anniversary of freedom from dictatorship his month.
Madeleine and Andy who?

Is it? That does put things in perspective a little....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on April 29, 2014, 01:04:08 AM

Amazing new clue linked to Madeleine McCann: Cops set to arrest suspect thanks to t-shirt

POLICE were last night closing in on the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance – thanks to a “unique” T-shirt.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/376363/Amazing-new-clue-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-Cops-set-to-arrest-suspect-thanks-to-t-shirt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cornelius on April 29, 2014, 09:50:29 AM
Amazing new clue linked to Madeleine McCann: Cops set to arrest suspect thanks to t-shirt

POLICE were last night closing in on the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance – thanks to a “unique” T-shirt.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/376363/Amazing-new-clue-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-Cops-set-to-arrest-suspect-thanks-to-t-shirt
Whatever happened to the burglars they were closing in on back in February time? Did they escape the net or were they never really in the frame or did they shapeshift into smelly binmen or .... ? you can make the rest up you are better at it than me WS  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 29, 2014, 10:08:12 AM
Whatever happened to the burglars they were closing in on back in February time? Did they escape the net or were they never really in the frame or did they shapeshift into smelly binmen or .... ? you can make the rest up you are better at it than me WS  8(0(*

       8-)(--)   Cornelius, you are a naughty boy!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on April 29, 2014, 10:15:50 AM
Whatever happened to the burglars they were closing in on back in February time? Did they escape the net or were they never really in the frame or did they shapeshift into smelly binmen or .... ? you can make the rest up you are better at it than me WS  8(0(*

Just another of these little mysteries
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cornelius on April 29, 2014, 11:26:38 AM
http://www.mccannfiles.com/id232.html

The Spot Difference Competition!


(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/tshirtcomparison.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on April 29, 2014, 06:59:51 PM
When was it announced that "Smithman" was no longer the primary person of interest?  It is possible to have more than one person of interest as I'm sure you're aware -  not all will be the criminal obviously, but all need to be investigated and either eliminated or charged.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on April 30, 2014, 07:37:45 PM
Amazing new clue linked to Madeleine McCann: Cops set to arrest suspect thanks to t-shirt

POLICE were last night closing in on the prime suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance – thanks to a “unique” T-shirt.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/376363/Amazing-new-clue-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-Cops-set-to-arrest-suspect-thanks-to-t-shirt

To be expected from the Daily Star.  Almost as bad as their Madeleine Found in Turkey crap.  Even if the pot-bellied smelly man with the distinctive t-shirt is found there isn't a single piece of evidence which connects him with Madeleine.  In fact, as already pointed out he could never be Smithman.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 01, 2014, 12:17:44 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FTy3mVs.jpg)


Kate McCann has revealed how she desperately wants to know what’s happened to missing daughter Madeleine - even if there is a tragic end to the mystery.

Kate, 46, said she still longed for the return of her daughter nearly seven years to the day after Madeleine went missing while on holiday with her family in Portugal.

But in an interview with The Sun last night, she said: "I just want to know if she's alive or dead.

"We obviously want Madeleine back number one — but we do want an answer, whatever.

"I have spent days thinking, ‘What would you rather?

"Not know, or find out something you didn't want to hear?’

"Obviously our ultimate hope is that we find Madeleine and she comes home and we re-establish her into our family and spend the next few years of her life getting it all as good as it can be."

She added: "I'm not underestimating the blow of hearing bad news that your child had been killed, because obviously you're not going to go, ‘OK at least we know’.

"But I've spent hours thinking about that and, each time, I still come up thinking we need to know.

"Regardless, we need to know."

Kate and husband Gerry, 45, hope a Met Police probe could lead to Madeleine, who would now be 10, being found alive and well.

Kate was speaking three days ahead of the seventh anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance to promote the launch of the Child Rescue Alert system.

The system sends out texts and emails if a child is kidnapped, or missing and thought to be in danger.

Last week the Mirror revealed that British detectives investigating Madeleine's disappearance fear local Portuguese police could unwittingly be sitting on vital forensic evidence.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-desperately-3481148#ixzz30Qd5rDWH


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 01, 2014, 08:21:26 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/FTy3mVs.jpg)


Kate McCann has revealed how she desperately wants to know what’s happened to missing daughter Madeleine - even if there is a tragic end to the mystery.

Kate, 46, said she still longed for the return of her daughter nearly seven years to the day after Madeleine went missing while on holiday with her family in Portugal.

But in an interview with The Sun last night, she said: "I just want to know if she's alive or dead.

"We obviously want Madeleine back number one — but we do want an answer, whatever.

"I have spent days thinking, ‘What would you rather?

"Not know, or find out something you didn't want to hear?’

"Obviously our ultimate hope is that we find Madeleine and she comes home and we re-establish her into our family and spend the next few years of her life getting it all as good as it can be."

She added: "I'm not underestimating the blow of hearing bad news that your child had been killed, because obviously you're not going to go, ‘OK at least we know’.

"But I've spent hours thinking about that and, each time, I still come up thinking we need to know.

"Regardless, we need to know."

Kate and husband Gerry, 45, hope a Met Police probe could lead to Madeleine, who would now be 10, being found alive and well.

Kate was speaking three days ahead of the seventh anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance to promote the launch of the Child Rescue Alert system.

The system sends out texts and emails if a child is kidnapped, or missing and thought to be in danger.

Last week the Mirror revealed that British detectives investigating Madeleine's disappearance fear local Portuguese police could unwittingly be sitting on vital forensic evidence.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-desperately-3481148#ixzz30Qd5rDWH

Sounds totally genuine
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 02, 2014, 12:44:36 PM
Madeleine McCann anniversary: 7 questions that still need answering.

1. Was the 'man carrying a child' really a red herring?

2. Was there a second man carrying a child?

3. Exactly when was Maddy taken?

4. Was Madeleine snatched after disturbing a burglary?

5. Did Maddy kidnapper die in a tractor accident?

6. Was Maddy taken by a serial paedophile?

7. Do Portuguese police hold the key to solving the case?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anniversary-7-questions-3482752 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-anniversary-7-questions-3482752)



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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 04, 2014, 02:59:23 PM
Madeleine McCann latest: Police hunt British paedo who was nearby when she went missing
 
Sicko Roderick William Robinson has been on the run for more than a decade and now sources say he could have vital evidence about a suspected paedophile ring

Police are hunting a British paedophile who was in Portugal at the time of child sex attacks linked to the Madeleine McCann case.
 
Roderick William Robinson, 77, was first arrested while lying low at a rundown campsite on the Algarve in 2010. He had been on the run for more than a decade.
 
Sources close to the latest Madeleine McCann investigation have indicated that British ­detectives believe he could have vital evidence about a suspected paedophile ring.
 
The ring operated across the Algarve at the time three-year-old Madeleine was snatched in Praia da Luz in 2007.
 
A source said: “Roderick Robinson is a ­notorious and dangerous sex offender. He has shown a pattern of disturbing behaviour ­wherever he has travelled.
 
“He may have vital information which could shed light on the mystery surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. He is wanted on an international arrest warrant after failing to notify British police of his whereabouts and it is vital he is found without delay.”


After Robinson’s arrest in 2010 he was ­extradited to Australia where he was wanted for raping an eight-year-old girl in 1998. After agreeing to a plea deal he was convicted of indecently assaulting the child and sentenced to six months in prison.
 
Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.
 
He moved to Brighton, east Sussex, and was made to sign the sex offenders register. But in June 2012 he went on to sexually assault two girls, aged five and seven, on a yacht. This led to another conviction but, despite his past, his 12-month sentence was suspended for two years. Within weeks he changed his name by deed poll and fled to the Far East.
 
Scotland Yard detectives are currently ­investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010. Six have come to light since an appeal by UK detectives last month, with five of those involving alleged sex attacks on British girls.
 
Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved assaults on British girls, aged six to 12. Three took place in Praia da Luz.

The attacks stopped at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal.
 
He was first arrested by Portuguese police at a campsite in Olhao on the Algarve, 60 miles from Praia da Luz. He associated with other ­paedophiles in the area around the time Madeleine vanished.
 
A source said: “These are questions that could have particular significance in the ­disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”
 
When he was deported from Thailand, Robinson told a reporter: “I’m a marked man for the rest of my life which won’t be very long.”
 
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: “We do not comment on ongoing investigations.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-police-hunt-3493850


British police are hunting for an 'on-the-run' paedophile who was in Portugal at the same time as series of sex attacks which have been linked to disappearance of Madeleine McCann

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619888/British-police-hunting-run-paedophile-Portugal-time-series-sex-attacks-linked-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 04, 2014, 03:05:03 PM
Burglar 'was quizzed over sex assaults linked to Madeleine McCann before he died'

A SUSPECT in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann was quizzed about a string of sex assaults linked to the youngster's disappearance before he died, his widow said last night

Euclides Monteiro's wife Luisa Rodrigues said Portuguese police probing Madeleine's abduction questioned the convicted burglar the year after she vanished about a spate of sex attacks at Algarve holiday villas.

She claimed DNA tests had put the recovering heroin addict - a former worker at the Ocean Club holiday complex Madeleine vanished from seven years ago today - in the clear.

And she insisted detectives leading the hunt for Madeleine never asked Cape Verde-born Monteiro, who died in a 2009 tractor accident, about the missing child.

The revelation, pointing to an apparent failure by Portuguese detectives to link the breaks-ins to Madeleine's abduction early on, will raise fresh concern about the original police probe which led to her parents Gerry and Kate being made suspects.

It also raises questions about why Portuguese police heading a cold case review decided to question Monteiro's widow last year after making a link between Madeleine McCann's 2007 disappearance and the sex attacks his widow says he proved five years earlier he had nothing to do with.

British police heading a separate probe into Madeleine's disappearance are trying to identify a serial sex attacker who may have struck at least 18 times in Algarve holiday resorts, starting in 2004.

They have described the intruder as "smelly and pot-bellied", wearing a burgundy top with a distinctive white circle on the back - but never pointed the finger at Monteiro.

Ms Rodrigues' claims that Portuguese detectives believed the Algarve sex assaults were the work of one man as far back as 2008 will also lead to questions about why they were only made public recently.

Euclides' widow, who never spoke about her late partner's 2008 police quiz when she admitted earlier this year two Portuguese women detectives had questioned her last October, broke her silence on Portuguese state broadcaster RTP, Insisting he had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance and went straight after finishing a five-year prison sentence in 1999.

She told the TV station: "Euclides was summonsed to the police station in Portimao, the same one heading the Madeleine McCann investigation, in 2008.

"He was told they were looking for a tall black man who had broken into country homes and sexually assaulted children inside.

"He didn't commit a single crime after he left prison.

"He denied any involvement in the indecent assaults. Police did DNA tests at the time and ruled him out as a suspect and apologised for troubling him.

"They never mentioned Madeleine McCann. Until the day he died the police never contacted him again."

Luisa also gave her late husband an alibi over Madeleine - by producing a poem she said he had written on his computer around the time she vanished.

She said computer records showed he wrote at 9pm on May 3 2007 - an hour before Kate McCann discovered Madeleine missing.

She added: "I know Euclides had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance. It's impossible he had a double life. I knew everything about him."

Porto-based Policia Judiciaria officers heading a review into the Algarve-led Madeleine McCann investigation began to suspect Monteiro after pinpointing him to the area where the British youngster disappeared from by his mobile phone.

Kate McCann, 46, made a veiled attack on the Portuguese police ahead of the seventh anniversary of her daughter's disappearance today.

British police have to send time-consuming international 'Letters of Request' to Portugal every time they want something done.

Met Police said recently they were confident of being able to start "operational activity" in Portugal soon but their hopes have so far failed to materialise and their desire for a joint investigation has also been rejected.

Kate said: "The passing of further weeks and months as a result of unnecessary delays and barriers are not only frustrating, they are distressing.

"Each day without Madeline and each day of not knowing is another day too many."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/473851/Burglar-was-quizzed-over-sex-assaults-linked-to-Madeleine-McCann-before-he-died


Madeleine McCann suspect was 'questioned about 18 sex attacks' linked to her disappearance before he died, his widow has revealed

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2619672/Madeleine-McCann-suspect-questioned-18-sex-attacks.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 04, 2014, 03:59:08 PM

Maddie: Portuguese police blast Brit cops and DENY arrests will be made soon

PORTUGUESE police have blasted Brit detectives over their handling of the Madeleine McCann investigation.


Yesterday marked exactly seven years since the little girl vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve.

But at a special prayer service in the McCanns’ home village of Rothley, Leics, dad Gerry, 45, said he and wife Kate had been buoyed by the Scotland Yard probe.

He said: “They are going back out to Portugal very soon. They are chipping away and there is new evidence.

“We are going to continue hoping we get a happy outcome – and one day we will know what’s happening.”

But the Portuguese have accused the Metropolitan Police of going on a “media offensive” over the case. They say leads recently publicised by the Met are “very flimsy”.

And they say claims about imminent arrests are not true.

A well-placed source said: “They’re pulling their hair out in relation to recent allegations by the Met.

“They’re very angry the ­British police have gone on a media offensive.

“Furthermore, the information is not consistent with the information they have.”

Last year, Portuguese authorities agreed to re-open the probe into Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance after a review by the Met.

In January, British police suggested three burglars were prime suspects.

The source said: “The Met have sent them three letters saying they want to interview the three burglars…they’ve had those letters quite a long time.

“The Portugese are ­saying ‘We have got it but we won’t be doing that tomorrow, not soon, not in the near future will we be acting on that. This is our investigation and we won’t be acting on the Met police stuff (any time soon)’. Relationships (with the Met) are so poor, they felt the Met would be better off building a relationship with them than going out doing press.”

In March, the Met appealed for information about a sex attacker linked to 12 break-ins in the Algarve.

Five young girls were said to have been sexually assaulted during four of the raids.

In an update last month, the Met said the appeal had yielded information on six more incidents, including an attack on a girl in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine vanished.

The suspect, they said, was “smelly” and “pot-bellied” and it was reported that arrests might be made soon.

But our source said the Portuguese police believe the information publicised by the Met is “very flimsy” and claimed they had not shared the leads with them.

“The Portuguese are saying if your young girl has been assaulted while you are on holiday, why not report it then or at least as soon as you get home. If it’s a serious allegation of sexual assault, why not report it at the time?

“They are not saying these things didn’t happen but they are saying ‘Why is it all coming out now?’

“They don’t know even the nature of these indecent assaults and it is all very flimsy.

“The Portuguese are saying lines of inquiry they (the Met) have aren’t ones brought to our intention and the relationship is very poor, this is a Portuguese investigation and the idea of imminent arrests isn’t true.”

Yesterday a tearful Kate, 46, told villagers at the low-key outdoor prayer service: “We are still battling, still hoping, still searching for Madeleine.”

She added: “The past seven years have been so difficult and painful.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/377301/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-police-deny-that-arrests-will-be-made-soon
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cornelius on May 04, 2014, 04:25:30 PM
Same old story same old history.
And I'm wondering will this ever end.


Man did Raised Fist have foresight or what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on May 04, 2014, 11:05:12 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-cops-3496784


Kate and Gerry McCann have never given up hope their missing daughter Madeleine is alive – but they are now bracing themselves for the heartbreak of a police search for her body.

Scotland Yard detectives are preparing to go to Portugal to launch extensive digs in and around the holiday area where the youngster vanished seven years ago at the age of three. The tormented couple have been briefed by officers about their plans to search three sites near the Praia da Luz resort they were staying at.

It is understood a team of highly-skilled forensic officers will use radar equipment to look ­underground in the grim hunt for clues.

A source close to the McCann’s said: “Kate and Gerry have been told police will be conducting the searches in and around Praia da Luz as soon as they get the green light from Portuguese authorities.

“There will be earth diggers everywhere and it will look very dramatic and it will be a heartbreaking and hugely emotional time for Madeleine’s poor parents.

“They don’t believe police are acting on any new tip off. They just need to carry out their own digs, looking for any possible clues that Portuguese authorities may have missed on their previous searches.

“It will not be a mere fingertip search of certain areas, it will be full ground searches, using radar and other equipment. It is such a sensitive part of their investigation but it has to be done.

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“Police have assured Kate and Gerry that it does not mean they are specifically searching for her body. They are doing searches as much as to rule scenarios out as much as rule them in. They will be concentrating on several different places at different phases.

“Certain areas should have been searched properly way back by the Portuguese authorities but were not.”

Kate and Gerry will not be going to Portugal but will be kept updated throughout.

The source revealed the dig will form a routine part of the Met’s cold case review into Madeleine.

It comes after a ­Crimewatch TV appeal resulted in new information coming to light. The source added: “They have been tasked with the painstaking job of going through every single detail the Portuguese police have already done, plus following up any new leads that have come in. They are looking into it with fresh eyes. New ­information has come in following Crimewatch but it is not known if any of it is linked to these searches.”

Police will dig two areas of land surrounding the Ocean Club’s Apartment 5A, where Madeleine vanished on May 3 2007, and an area on the nearby beach.

PAKate and Gerry McCann.
Kate and Gerry McCann.
Saturday was the anniversary of the ­youngster’s disappearance and prayers were said for her at her village church in Rothley, Leics. Heart doctor Gerry, 45, told wellwishers: “The Met are going back out to Portugal very soon. They are chipping away and there is new evidence. We are going to continue hoping we get a happy outcome and one day we will know what’s happening.” Kate has admitted the pair could not be blinkered to “a worst case scenario” but they are said to have been buoyed by the new development. They previously raised concerns about the pace of progress in the new ­investigation after tensions were revealed between British and Portuguese investigators.

The Met had said they were confident of being able to start “operational activity” in Portugal soon but their hopes have so far failed to materialise. The latest news is a sign Portuguese ­detectives could be willing to grant full access to files and evidence their British ­counterparts on Operation Grange have been requesting for months. Sources say a team could be in place even by the end of the week to fly to Portugal to try to find what happened to Madeleine, whose 11th birthday is next Monday.

Kate, 46, said recently: “The passing of further weeks and months as a result of ­unnecessary delays and barriers are not only frustrating, they are distressing.

“Each day without Madeline and each day of not knowing is another day too many. I just want to know if she’s alive or dead.” The former GP told last week how she secretly returns to the resort to feel close to her daughter and “to walk those streets” and “look for answers”. But she has not been back since April last year.

Madeleine’s great uncle, Brian Kennedy, 75, said: “We would just like to know something, whatever news that may because not having any idea where Madeleine is, is so difficult.”

The Daily MirrorPraia da Luz
Praia da Luz
 
Police are trying to identify a serial sex beast who may have struck at least 18 times in Algarve resorts from 2004 to 2010, assaulting British girls as young as 10 as they slept in their beds. In some attacks he wearing a burgundy, long-sleeved top. It may have had a white circle on the back.

Around six weeks after Madeleine vanished, police unearthed a potential burial site in the village of village of Arao, nine miles from Praia da Luz following a tip-off from a Dutch newspaper. But the search found nothing and that part of the probe was dropped.

The McCann’s official spokesperson Clarence Mitchell last night refused to comment on the latest planned digs. Scotland Yard said: “We do not provide a running ­commentary on ongoing investigations.”



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 05, 2014, 06:48:16 AM

'Five new cases in which young girls were assaulted and one near miss came to light as a result of an appeal in March for information about a lone predator entering rooms of British families on holiday.'

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/may/05/madeleine-mccann-portugal-forensics-excavations



In March, the Met appealed for information about a sex attacker linked to 12 break-ins in the Algarve.

Five young girls were said to have been sexually assaulted during four of the raids.

In an update last month, the Met said the appeal had yielded information on six more incidents, including an attack on a girl in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine vanished.

The suspect, they said, was “smelly” and “pot-bellied” and it was reported that arrests might be made soon.

But our source said the Portuguese police believe the information publicised by the Met is “very flimsy” and claimed they had not shared the leads with them.

“The Portuguese are saying if your young girl has been assaulted while you are on holiday, why not report it then or at least as soon as you get home. If it’s a serious allegation of sexual assault, why not report it at the time?

“They are not saying these things didn’t happen but they are saying ‘Why is it all coming out now?’

“They don’t know even the nature of these indecent assaults and it is all very flimsy.

“The Portuguese are saying lines of inquiry they (the Met) have aren’t ones brought to our intention and the relationship is very poor, this is a Portuguese investigation and the idea of imminent arrests isn’t true.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/377301/Madeleine-McCann-Portuguese-police-deny-that-arrests-will-be-made-soon
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 06, 2014, 12:54:16 AM
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/capa.aspx?channelid=00000020-0000-0000-0000-000000000020&contentid=f29f7f20-2f5d-476e-b839-01eef2233cb6
"Cães vão procurar corpo de ..."
Rough translation: "Dogs will look for body of..."

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 06, 2014, 02:27:50 AM
" Maddie Case: Attorney General's Office approved searches and excavations.
Request was in the latest letter rogatory sent by the British authorities
In the Madeleine McCann case the Attorney General's Office [PGR] has agreed to the request from the British police for searches and excavations to be done on Praia da Luz. The request appears in the latest letter rogatory.
British police wants the searches to be carried out on sites in Praia da Luz where they suspect Madeleine's body might be buried. Searches will be made with a radar that will allow the analysis below ground.
Of the map of locations that are signalled appear areas near the apartment where the child disappeared 7 years ago and a road, which at the time was undergoing repairs. This are the places that the English detectives argue the PJ did not explore thoroughly.
This letter rogatory, like the preceding ones, has been assessed by the Public Prosecutor of Portimão.
TVI knows that the searches, which already foresee the possibility of excavations, were already authorized by the prosecutor. What remains now is to set the dates and how they will be done.
The British police also asked to be present at the time that those actions are carried out by the Portuguese inspectors, but that decision lies with the National Direction of the PJ and has not yet been taken.
Last March the Metropolitan Police announced they were looking for a sexual predator, connected to the abduction theory, which they have always advocated. With this new path and although it is not officially confirmed, they are admitting, for the first time the possibility of Madeleine being dead."

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/sociedade/maddie-escavacoes-buscas-algarve-desaparecida-madeleine-mmcann/1553948-4071.html
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/05/maddie-case-attorney-generals-office.html

This IMO corrects the rubbish in the spoonfed UK press which attempts to paint the Portuguese as uncooperative.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on May 06, 2014, 12:15:35 PM
Dogs will search for Maddie's body.

The Public Ministry in Portimão has authorised British police to make searches in a vacant lot next to the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, Algarve, where researchers now argue that Madeleine's body may have been buried.  The team which continues to investigate the disappearance of Madeleine McCann had already made other requests which were refused.  The request now relates to searches on wasteland next to the apartment where the girl disappeared on May 4, 2007 and were authorized excavations.  For now only these searches are allowed.

The British are to use special equipment such as ground penetrating radar to help find corpses and dogs that can smell corpses. "The question is whether these requests are made based on specific suspicions or because they have failed to substantiate other claims, which means that the court has already refused some requests," said a source close to the CM process.

Another of the problems that have been raised is that this land was thoroughly inspected after the child's disappearance.  In the first hours after Kate give warning of Madeleine's disappearance, the authorities admitted that the small child might have gone out alone and got lost. The area was scoured for clues. If the Prosecutor agrees to the excavation, the same will have to be agreed by the Judicial Police.

The investigation was reopened however, remains the responsibility of the police force, since the English police have no authority to undertake investigations on Portuguese soil. The Morning Post is aware of what other measures and searches were rejected by the MP. The Magistrate who oversees the survey claimed that there would have to be well founded suspicion for authorities to advance the approvals.


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on May 06, 2014, 08:11:46 PM
Revealed: The waste ground where UK police hunting for Maddy McCann will begin digging - just yards from where she vanished

Revealed: The waste ground where UK police hunting for Maddy McCann will begin digging - just yards from where she vanished
Portuguese authorities have approved Scotland Yard's plans to excavate
Investigators will now begin by digging waste ground at Praia da Luz resort
The dig site is just a short walk from the Ocean Club apartment complex
Despite huge interest in case, Portuguese police are demanding secrecy
They have threatened to halt their search if media is given information
By John Hall and Chris Greenwood and Gerard Couzens and Amanda Williams
Published: 11:31, 6 May 2014 | Updated: 19:45, 6 May 2014


British police hunting for Madeleine McCann are to begin digging a patch of waste ground just yards from the Portuguese resort from which she disappeared.
Specialist search teams will start by scouring sites across Praia da Luz - including this waste ground near the Ocean Club apartment complex from where she disappeared seven years ago, shortly before her fourth birthday.
The land was not fenced at the time of Maddie's disappearance. It shares a border with the path where witnesses claim to have seen a man passing, holding a child wearing pyjamas on the night of her disappearance.
In the days following, police searched the site with specialist dogs - but no excavations were ever made.
Despite enormous public interest in the increased activity surrounding the disappearance of Madeleine, Portuguese police have threatened to halt their work if information is given to the media.
Dig location: The waste ground is just a short from the Ocean Club apartment complex. It is also close to the tapas restaurant where Gerry and Kate McCann had dinner on the night their daughter disappeared
 
Madeleine, who would be ten on 12 May, was three when she vanished from her holiday flat on 3 May 2007
Search site: The waste ground in Praia da Luz, Portugal, where Scotland Yard officers will join local police officers in digging as part of the investigation
Specialist search teams will start by scouring sites across Praia da Luz - including this waste ground near the Ocean Club apartment complex from
The digs are not thought to necessarily be in connection with a search for the youngster's body or remains
This land that was not fenced at the time of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is contiguous to the path where witnesses saw a man passing with a child in pajamas in her arms the night of the disappearance
Detectives believe the searches, possibly to coincide with the first arrests of suspects, are the next logical step in the multi-million pound Operation Grange.
However the Metropolitan Police’s Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowler today revealed that his counterparts in Portugal have warned that if media briefings are given on the investigation, the local officers working on behalf of Scotland Yard will stop working 'until that problem dissipates'.
More...
British police are hunting for an 'on-the-run' paedophile who was in Portugal at the same time as series of sex attacks which have been linked to disappearance of Madeleine McCann
'They will not destroy my life': British teenager who had acid thrown in her face reveals long road to recovery with 15 operations already and recurring dreams that her wounds have healed
In an open-letter dated today, Assistant Commissioner Rowley said he had explained the Metropolitan Police's practice of making public as much information as possible, but respects the Portuguese position.
Forensic officers will use ground penetrating radar to uncover sites where earth has been disturbed within the last decade.
They will then move in with mechanical diggers and other earth moving equipment, as well as conducting finger-tip searches.
The digs are not thought to necessarily be in connection with a search for the youngster's body or remains.
Resort: British police will dig three sites near the Ocean Club holiday apartments in the resort of Praia da Luz in Portugal, from where Madeleine McCann, then three, went missing in May 2007
Detectives are also said to be preparing to dig up a site on a beach near the Ocean Club apartments
Madeleine's parents Gerry, 45, and Kate McCann, 46, attended an open-air prayer service on Saturday
MET POLICE BLAMES PORTUGAL FOR LACK OF PUBLIC INFORMATION IN SEARCH FOR MADELEINE
Metropolitan Police’s Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowler has blamed the Portuguese authorities for the lack of information being made public by Operation Grange.
In an open letter dated today, the senior police officer said that despite pleas for the media to be briefed on ongoing developments in the search for Madeline McCann, Portugal’s Policia Judiciara have threatened to stop work if information is passed on.
Revealing the ongoing tension between British and Portuguese police, Assistant Commissioner Rowley said he had explained to his opposite number in the Policia Judiciara that it is the Met’s preferred practice to make public as much information and context as possible, providing it does not compromise the investigation.
He revealed that the reply from the Portuguese police was that they do not brief the media on an ongoing investigation, accompanied by a threat that if any information were to emerge, the work undertaken by Portugal on behalf of Scotland Yard would ‘cease until that problem dissipates’.
‘It is important you understand this and appreciate the position in which I find myself. We will not be able to provide any information concerning the activity because ultimately it could mean the work stops,’ Assistant Commissioner Rowley said.
‘We respect the Portuguese position as we would expect them to respect our position if we were carrying out work on their behalf in the UK,’ he added.
The McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: 'As always, we simply will not comment on operational details of Operation Grange, that is a matter for the Met Police.
'Kate and Gerry are being kept fully informed throughout.'
Portuguese officials declined to comment on the reports, which emerged after the respected daily newspaper Jornal de Noticias claimed the country's Attorney General's office had given the green light to excavations.
Making its first official comments on the claims, a spokesman for the Attorney General's Office said: 'We received from the British authorities in August 2012, the first Rogatory Letter regarding this matter, which has been replaced by subsequent requests... These requests were received on July 2013, in January 2014 and in February 2014.'
'Under the law, all requests for international judicial cooperation, also known as Rogatory Letters, in the framework of investigations related to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, have been forwarded to the Prosecution Services in Portimao.'
'The content of the requests formulated by the British authorities is confidential, therefore the Attorney General's Office has no comments on this matter.'
Yesterday a source close the McCanns said it will be a ‘heart-breaking and hugely emotional time’ for the family.
‘Police have assured Kate and Gerry that it does not mean they are specifically searching for her body,’ he said.
‘They are doing searches as much as to rule scenarios out as much as rule them in. They will be concentrating on several different places at different phases.
‘Certain areas should have been searched properly way back by the Portuguese authorities but were not.’
Portuguese police initially searched the resort, but the Met will look for anything they might have missed
Map: British police are expected to excavate two sites near the Ocean Club and one near Praia Da Luz beach
The searches are not being conducted as the result of any new information, but senior officers are keen to rule out every possibility.
They have said privately that the searches are a difficult issue because they suggest Portuguese police should have acted before.
It is understood that the McCanns will not travel to Portugal but will be constantly kept abreast of any developments.
On Saturday the couple were joined by around 100 well-wishers, friends and relatives for a low-key open-air service in the centre of Rothley, Leicestershire, which saw candles being lit for all children around the world who have been taken away from their parents against their will.
During the service Mr McCann expressed his family's gratitude that the Metropolitan Police team investigating Madeleine's disappearance was moving on to a 'very active' phase in their investigation.
'They are chipping away and obviously there is new evidence so we are going to continue to hope that we will get a happy outcome,' he said.
The high-profile dig is the latest stage of the Met’s sweeping cold case review of one of the world’s most notorious cases.
A team of detectives have been undertaking a painstaking search through every document collected during the huge inquiry.
They have also made a series of appeals on the BBC’s Crimewatch which has led to new information coming to light.
Read more:



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2621343/British-police-leading-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-given-permission-begin-digging-Portuguese-resort-disappeared.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 06, 2014, 08:42:18 PM
How would this fit in with Smithman?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 06, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
How would this fit in with Smithman?

I'm sure spam can come up with a theory that will unite all the other theories into one singularity
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 12:21:51 AM
How would this fit in with Smithman?

"This land that was not fenced at the time of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is contiguous to the path where witnesses saw a man passing with a child in pajamas in her arms the night of the disappearance"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 01:00:35 AM
"Unfenced" is incorrect IMO
That land (between Rua 1 Maio and Rua Da Escola Primeira) was fenced around all or almost all of its perimeter at the time IMO.
But probably fairly easy to get in and out?
Time to check some 2007 photos
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 07, 2014, 01:21:59 AM
They won't find her there.

IMO she is still alive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 07, 2014, 02:04:21 AM
How would this fit in with Smithman?

She was temporarily hidden around that wasteland area at 9-9.10 and was moved from there at 10 and minutes later passed the Smith family. The dogs may find something there and close to the church.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 02:32:48 AM
Search of that particular bit of land west of Rua 1 Maio is good idea simply because it is so near, just over road from block 4, and it was fenced, with long section of fence being high and opaque corrugated panels, and was probably unlit inside, so even though overlooked by various tall buildings it would be fairly difficult from those buildings to see anyone in there at night. All IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 07, 2014, 08:38:29 AM
She was temporarily hidden around that wasteland area at 9-9.10 and was moved from there at 10 and minutes later passed the Smith family. The dogs may find something there and close to the church.

Thanks. Presumably she would have been left on the surface, rather than buried if this was just a temporary place - I wonder if the dogs could detect anything so many years after?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 07, 2014, 11:30:43 AM
Thanks. Presumably she would have been left on the surface, rather than buried if this was just a temporary place - I wonder if the dogs could detect anything so many years after?

That would be a great question to put to Martin Grime. If a dead body was temporarily hidden in a bush/ground for one hour and moved again could dogs detect the scent at that spot many years later? I've sent a PM with that question to Mr Moderator re Martin Grime.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2014, 01:11:34 PM
That would be a great question to put to Martin Grime. If a dead body was temporarily hidden in a bush/ground for one hour and moved again could dogs detect the scent at that spot many years later? I've sent a PM with that question to Mr Moderator re Martin Grime.

according to a study the scent only lasts for 12 months in a room that is undisturbed so it would not last 7 years outside with wind and rain
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 07, 2014, 01:18:27 PM
according to a study the scent only lasts for 12 months in a room that is undisturbed so it would not last 7 years outside with wind and rain

If that is the case, then maybe the dogs are going to be deployed in the area(s) where a body is thought most likely to be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: valeria on May 07, 2014, 01:51:58 PM
That would be a great question to put to Martin Grime. If a dead body was temporarily hidden in a bush/ground for one hour and moved again could dogs detect the scent at that spot many years later? I've sent a PM with that question to Mr Moderator re Martin Grime.
maybe you should ask Grime if cadaver scent can be deteced in freezer...in case they intend to search the freezers of Luz
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on May 07, 2014, 03:15:43 PM
Judge refused searches to homes of former Ocean Club employees.

Searches to the homes of former Ocean Club employees in Praia da Luz were some of the steps requested by British police and rejected by the Portuguese authorities as unfounded.

by Marisa Rodrigues

 The judge to whom the requests contained in the letters rogatory were sent did not consider valid the arguments used by Scotland Yard. The [English] detectives wanted the Judiciary Police (PJ) to do house searches to people [simply] because they worked at the resort at the time when Madeleine disappeared, which made them “persons of interest”.

 Another treatment was given to the requests for searches and excavations, using dogs and a georadar as resources, which were accepted as JN disclosed yesterday. The Public Prosecutor from Portimão, which holds the responsibility of analysing the formal requests for judicial cooperation, gave the green light to these steps - a turning point in the British investigation with Scotland Yard assuming for the first time the hypothesis that Madeleine is dead.

 The sites were chosen for being prone to the disposal of a body. JN knows that this is the key argument used by Scotland Yard to substantiate the request for searches. The places are near to the apartment where the McCann family was staying during their holidays, in the beach and in a road which at the time was undergoing repairs. Another of the requests is for a georadar to be used in order to analyse and drill the soil and two dogs which alert to the presence of cadavers. Resources that Scotland Yard wants to bring from the UK. In case a deformation on the ground is detected there is a green light to proceed with the excavations. This is a process that could drag on for some time if the relevant places to be excavated belong to private owners or to State-owned road operators.

 The next step is to define the operational strategy and set the date of the proceedings, tasks which are incumbent on the South Directorate of the PJ, responsible for carrying out the steps authorized by the prosecutor. The National Directorate of the PJ has to decide if the British detectives and experts can closely follow the actions that will always be performed by the Portuguese inspectors since Scotland Yard has no authority to act in Portugal. JN found that such a request was addressed to the Attorney General's Office and communicated informally to the Judiciary Police but for it to be appreciated, it must be formalized with the National Director of the PJ, which has not happened yet.

 Sniffer Dogs

 Scotland Yard regards the dogs that they want to use in the searches as “better” than Eddie and Keela, the sniffer dogs who alerted to blood and cadaver odour in the McCanns car and apartment at the Ocean Club resort.

 Joint Investigation

 Scotland Yard and Madeleine's parents argue that the constitution of a joint investigation team would accelerate the discovery of Madeleine and have criticized the “excessive bureaucracy” of the letters rogatory*.

 The logistics required to implement these new endeavours are costly. JN knows they will be supported by the UK, which has already spent around EUR 7 million with this investigation.

Jornal de Notícias, paper edition (page 13)  on 7 May 2014.


www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Seguranca/Interior.aspx?content_id=3848072
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 03:23:06 PM
Quote
...two dogs which alert to the presence of cadavers. Resources that Scotland Yard wants to bring from the UK. ....“better” than Eddie ...
www.jn.pt/PaginaInicial/Seguranca/Interior.aspx?content_id=3848072
So presumably that means the current two best UK EVRDs will be there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2014, 03:24:09 PM
If that is the case, then maybe the dogs are going to be deployed in the area(s) where a body is thought most likely to be.

The role of the dogs is to find physical evidence IMO ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 07, 2014, 03:34:11 PM
The role of the dogs is to find physical evidence IMO ...

I thought the point of the dogs is to indicate. It is up to humans to find and identify.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2014, 03:49:35 PM
I thought the point of the dogs is to indicate. It is up to humans to find and identify.

EVRD...enhanced victim recovery...they are used to find bodies...victims or parts thereof..thats why they are so valuable...they find physical evidence
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on May 07, 2014, 04:16:10 PM
EVRD...enhanced victim recovery...they are used to find bodies...victims or parts thereof..thats why they are so valuable...they find physical evidence

So if a body is in a locked trunk, the dogs will unlock it and get to the body?  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2014, 07:29:32 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2622233/British-police-leading-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-banned-searching-homes-burglary-suspects.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 07:52:47 PM
EVRD...enhanced victim recovery...they are used to find bodies...victims or parts thereof..thats why they are so valuable...they find physical evidence
Also to confirm a location were a body had previously been, although no longer there when the EVRD team arrives. For example the Maria Barrientos case, no body was found, although one could argue that some small physical bits might have been still there, but basically the ground had been skimmed and new topsoil added, yet still two EVRDs succeeded in the confirmation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2014, 08:08:42 PM
Also to confirm a location were a body had previously been, although no longer there when the EVRD team arrives. For example the Maria Barrientos case, no body was found, although one could argue that some small physical bits might have been still there, but basically the ground had been skimmed and new topsoil added, yet still two EVRDs succeeded in the confirmation.

Unless physical evidence is found they don't confirm anything..that's what Grime says
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on May 07, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
Unless physical evidence is found they don't confirm anything..that's what Grime says

You seem a bit worried .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 07, 2014, 08:18:03 PM
You seem a bit worried .

why should I be worried ...Ive got an alibi
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 08:40:59 PM
Unless physical evidence is found they don't confirm anything..that's what Grime says
In the Barrentos case even though the body was no longer there the two EVRDs both independently confirmed that perp did bury the body where claimed.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on May 07, 2014, 08:41:46 PM
why should I be worried ...Ive got an alibi

 8((()*/

Mr. Smith.  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
Thanks. Presumably she would have been left on the surface, rather than buried if this was just a temporary place - I wonder if the dogs could detect anything so many years after?

Those "useless" cadaver dogs detected the LISK burial grounds on their tea break.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 07, 2014, 09:14:30 PM
IMO these reported digs are all psychological tactics.. and they are not designed for Kate and Gerry.  ;)

I am not sure why people in here don't read the files or at least the previous threads when making comments about the EVRD dogs.

My question  here for those posters is:

You claim EVRD dogs alerted on cadaver scent of Madeleine. Where, and at which place Madeleine's scent of being dead has been found?

Eh?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: insider on May 07, 2014, 10:10:56 PM
Quite a few things are going to be revealed over the forthcoming weeks.  I wouldn't be surprised if you see some old faces on the turf in Praia da Luz.  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 07, 2014, 10:13:39 PM
I thought Eddie has died?  8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 07, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
It is unfortunate that the latest revelations in respect of the search for Madeleine are going to be played out just as we are about to enter the tourist season.  It could very well turn into another media circus if SY aren't careful.  In addition, the news that a Portuguese judge has refused warrants in respect of several former Ocean Club employees is not good.  This could very well be the excuse that in the fullness of time could see this case shelved yet again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on May 07, 2014, 10:36:17 PM
Unless physical evidence is found they don't confirm anything..that's what Grime says

Very similar to drug detection equipment. They can identify when drugs have been in contact with something, it is then up to to police to find the drugs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 07, 2014, 10:38:40 PM
Scotland Yard detectives have arrived in Portugal to oversee the excavation of a number of sites as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The digs for evidence are to take place at several locations in the resort where the youngster vanished in 2007.

Forensics officers are due to use ground penetrating radar equipment to aid the search at three sites in Praia da Luz.

Madeleine disappeared from the apartment she was staying in with her parents and two siblings on May 3, 2007. She was three years old at the time.


(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/7/307508/default/v2/copper10-1-522x293.jpg)

Officers from Scotland Yard arrive at Faro Airport.

Officers from the Metropolitan Police have also identified three potential suspects they want to talk to, not necessarily around Madeleine's disappearance, but who had been involved in break-ins in the area.

However, they have reportedly been refused permission by Portuguese authorities to search the homes of these burglary suspects, who used to work at the Ocean Complex at the time Madeleine vanished.

Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt, in Praia da Luz, said: "That's a blow for Scotland Yard."

He said disagreements over leaks to the media may delay British police in their efforts to scour areas they will be given access to.

"I'm not sure that those searches are going to begin quite so quickly," he said.

(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/5/7/307505/default/v1/copper5-1-522x293.jpg)

Scotland Yard's DCI Redwood leads his team through Faro Airport.

"The Portuguese are making it very clear that they were not happy with journalists being briefed. It's not something that happens in this country and in fact, the Portuguese authorities, according to the Scotland Yard message last night, had threatened to stop any of the work once it begins if they hear that Scotland Yard are talking to reporters, or indeed if reporters are in any way disrupting the work.

"I get a sense that because of this developing row, that may put off what is going to happen soon, but maybe not in the next couple of days as we anticipated."

Kate McCann told Sky News last week, on the seventh anniversary of her daughter's disappearance, that she needed to know what happened - even if it was the "worst-case scenario".

"Madeleine's either alive or she isn't and we can't change that."


Report Courtesy Sky News.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 10:41:19 PM
The Scotland Yard team arrived in Portugal earlier this evening.
Excellent.
IIRC did an earlier report say they had already sent a small advance team for low-key pre-examination of the locations?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 07, 2014, 10:42:08 PM
It is unfortunate that the latest revelations in respect of the search for Madeleine are going to be played out just as we are about to enter the tourist season.  It could very well turn into another media circus if SY aren't careful.  In addition, the news that a Portuguese judge has refused warrants in respect of several former Ocean Club employees is not good.  This could very well be the excuse that in the fullness of time could see this case shelved yet again.

It is good you mention the tourist season. I think this is the double-edged sword for the Portuguese. It is not like they have nothing to lose if they don't cooperate.
I have seen calls on mumsnet and elsewhere to boycott Portugal for their police neglecting Madeleine's case and for not investigating attacks on children.
Mumsnet are powerful in the PR machinery.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 10:47:07 PM
As far as affecting tourist season, PDL has been affected for 7 long years now so hopefully the influx of world media will mean it's a good year for once.

I would be there if I could.

I might even go, yet. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on May 07, 2014, 10:52:41 PM
Are the UK dogs now trained with human remains (was illegal, only pigs were used) - otherwise, what is the point of using them?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 10:54:07 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-05-06/madeleine-mccann-permission-algarve-dig/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 10:58:57 PM
Assuming they find anything or even get a spade in the ground.

I think they've already found something.

I think they've gone over with ground penetrating sensors and located likely spots based on more than just lucky guesses.

Question - why would SY want the world media notified if they are just conducting another fruitless search?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 11:01:47 PM
Are the UK dogs now trained with human remains (was illegal, only pigs were used) - otherwise, what is the point of using them?

Eddie trained with the FBI who use body farms.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 07, 2014, 11:06:58 PM
I think they've already found something.
I think they've gone over with ground penetrating sensors and located likely spots based on more than just lucky guesses.
...
Interesting, anyway IMO its likely that the PJ with SY at least walked and visually examined the planned sites ahead of the publicised arrival.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 07, 2014, 11:09:06 PM
I think they've already found something.

I think they've gone over with ground penetrating sensors and located likely spots based on more than just lucky guesses.

Question - why would SY want the world media notified if they are just conducting another fruitless search?

Nothing has been done yet Silky.  This latest effort is not based on any specific information otherwise they would't be undertaking several digs and at locations which have previously been explored.  They are merely going through the motions and extending the searches.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 11:21:31 PM
Nothing has been done yet Silky.  This latest effort is not based on any specific information otherwise they would't be undertaking several digs and at locations which have previously been explored.  They are merely going through the motions and extending the searches.

Oh come on.

We already KNOW the CPS is involved.

If the digs mean nothing, WHY did SY tell the media about them?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 07, 2014, 11:30:05 PM

It blows the "intruder" story to pieces, essentially.



Only in your dreams.

BBC is quoting SY saying; Kate and Gerry need answers.

And SY also requested search of 3 OC workers homes.. which was denied by the PT prosecutor.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2014, 11:31:21 PM
http://content.met.police.uk/News/Letter-from-AC-Mark-Rowley-re-Op-Grange/1400023891147/1257246745756
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on May 07, 2014, 11:34:00 PM
Eddie trained with the FBI who use body farms.
That wasn't what I asked, and Eddie is dead now. Incidentally, how does Grime know if the dog could tell the difference between human & pig cadaver odour when it indicated?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 07, 2014, 11:38:15 PM
That wasn't what I asked, and Eddie is dead now. Incidentally, how does Grime know if the dog could tell the difference between human & pig cadaver odour when it indicated?

There were no pigs reported missing from 5a.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 07, 2014, 11:41:30 PM
That wasn't what I asked, and Eddie is dead now. Incidentally, how does Grime know if the dog could tell the difference between human & pig cadaver odour when it indicated?

There's a lot of answers already on this forum, it's been discussed once or twice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 07, 2014, 11:57:18 PM
There were no pigs reported missing from 5a.

Why are you mentioning 5A?
Which places in 5A would you identify that could possibly be mistaken for a pig?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 08, 2014, 02:39:31 AM
Oh come on.

We already KNOW the CPS is involved.

If the digs mean nothing, WHY did SY tell the media about them?

They didn't, it was leaked by the Portuguese in Lagos.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 08, 2014, 04:10:29 AM
They didn't, it was leaked by the Portuguese in Lagos.

SY sent a letter directly to the UK media asking them not to print the details.

UK media has obliged, and  have only printed the fact that the digs are being planned, NOT the EVIDENCE which has led to the digs being planned.

After a 2 year review and a 2 year investigation, do you honestly think they have whittled exploration down to 3 specific spots in PDL based on a whim?

Please.  They are digging because the EVIDENCE has led them to believe something is there to find.

 8@??)(

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on May 08, 2014, 06:12:33 AM
SY sent a letter directly to the UK media asking them not to print the details.

UK media has obliged, and  have only printed the fact that the digs are being planned, NOT the EVIDENCE which has led to the digs being planned.

After a 2 year review and a 2 year investigation, do you honestly think they have whittled exploration down to 3 specific spots in PDL based on a whim?

Please.  They are digging because the EVIDENCE has led them to believe something is there to find.

 8@??)(

...and the refusal of the request to search 3 OC staff properties for lack of evidence reinforces the fact that there must be significant reasons for the digs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2014, 08:30:31 AM
...and the refusal of the request to search 3 OC staff properties for lack of evidence reinforces the fact that there must be significant reasons for the digs.

I don't see the logic of linking the two issues.
While there must be evidence for the dig, the refusal of the request to search houses indicates a lack of evidence for that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2014, 08:36:11 AM
I don't see the logic of liking the two issues.
While there must be evidence for the dig, the refusal of the request to search houses indicates a lack of evidence for that.

No, it's the bloody PJ again, they are going to just let them 3 ex ocean club employees get away with it, when it's bleedin obvious they dunnit.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on May 08, 2014, 10:37:47 AM
I don't see the logic of linking the two issues.
While there must be evidence for the dig, the refusal of the request to search houses indicates a lack of evidence for that.

The fact appears to be that the requests are being taken on merit, hence the refusal of one request suggests that an accepted request is more worthwhile.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2014, 11:40:34 AM
The fact appears to be that the requests are being taken on merit, hence the refusal of one request suggests that an accepted request is more worthwhile.

I would have thought selection was based on the legal justification of each individual  request.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on May 08, 2014, 11:43:52 AM
The fact appears to be that the requests are being taken on merit, hence the refusal of one request suggests that an accepted request is more worthwhile.

I doubt it's much to do with merit. Far easier to get permission to roll a geophysics device over a bit of wasteland than to search an individual's property without their consent, wouldn't you think?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 08, 2014, 12:58:13 PM
I don't see the logic of linking the two issues.
While there must be evidence for the dig, the refusal of the request to search houses indicates a lack of evidence for that.

I totally agree jassi and it makes sense.  Are they going to be scratching about in three different excavations looking for three Madeleine's?  No...of course not...it's obvious that they have nothing specific.  As for the refusal by the magistrate to allow the house searches of former OC employees, well that speaks for itself, a phishing exercise pure and simple.

This could very well mark the death throes in this investigation.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2014, 01:01:20 PM
We are dismayed with the way the media has behaved over the last couple of days in relation to our daughter's case. There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult, it can potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether – and hence the chances of us finding Madeleine and discovering what has happened to her. As Madeleine's parents, this just compounds our distress. We urge the media to let the police get on with their work and please show some respect and consideration to Madeleine and all our family.

Thank you.

Gerry and Kate

https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign



There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult, it can potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether – and hence the chances of us finding Madeleine and discovering what has happened to her.

Oh the irony.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cornelius on May 08, 2014, 01:31:25 PM
I totally agree jassi and it makes sense.  Are they going to be scratching about in three different excavations looking for three Madeleine's?  No...of course not...it's obvious that they have nothing specific.  As for the refusal by the magistrate to allow the house searches of former OC employees, well that speaks for itself, a phishing exercise pure and simple.

This could very well mark the death throes in this investigation.

In this country the CPS will raise the ILOR. If they go by their own guidelines fishing expeditions are specifically precluded.
Odd to say the least.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 08, 2014, 01:39:15 PM


Madeleine McCann: 8 prime suspects British police want to investigate as they arrive in Portugal

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-eight-prime-suspects-3511716


Scotland Yard detectives leading hunt for Madeleine McCann arrive in Portugal ahead of excavations in town where she vanished

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623254/Scotland-Yard-detectives-leading-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-arrive-Portugal-ahead-excavations-town-vanished.html


McCanns slam media ahead of police summit in search for Madeleine

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/mccanns-slam-media-ahead-of-police-summit-in-search-for-madeleine-30256452.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 08, 2014, 02:19:28 PM
SY sent a letter directly to the UK media asking them not to print the details.

UK media has obliged, and  have only printed the fact that the digs are being planned, NOT the EVIDENCE which has led to the digs being planned.

After a 2 year review and a 2 year investigation, do you honestly think they have whittled exploration down to 3 specific spots in PDL based on a whim?

Please.  They are digging because the EVIDENCE has led them to believe something is there to find.

 8@??)(

I do not believe they are following evidence.
I believe they have been denied the opportunity to investigate as they would wish. I believe they are making the best of mopping up areas of searching which should have been eliminated by the original investigation.

I think NSY are just making the best of a bad job and since it appears this is all that has been allowed from the many actions notified in the letters of request, they are taking it. 

Perhaps it was thought they would refuse.

The Portuguese authorities could then have taken the moral high ground, rather than having a hissy fit and intimating that if anything annoyed them permission would be withdrawn. 

Although the Portuguese are the lead authority and will have complete control of all aspects of the dig, I believe we will be footing the bill for it. 

One wonders just exactly what the Portuguese commitment to finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann and apprehending those responsible really is. 
IMO the Met are being blocked from carrying out elementary policing to rule individuals in or out of the inquiry. 

The criminal charges taken under section 56 & 57 of the penal code against Mr Birch effectively rule out excavation of Mr Murat’s driveway. 

Why don’t they just let NSY get on with the job instead of all this obstruction? 
More and more I am seeing and hearing comments wondering what is being hidden here.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on May 08, 2014, 02:50:29 PM
We are dismayed with the way the media has behaved over the last couple of days in relation to our daughter's case. There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult, it can potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether – and hence the chances of us finding Madeleine and discovering what has happened to her. As Madeleine's parents, this just compounds our distress. We urge the media to let the police get on with their work and please show some respect and consideration to Madeleine and all our family.

Thank you.

Gerry and Kate

https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign



There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult, it can potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether – and hence the chances of us finding Madeleine and discovering what has happened to her.

Oh the irony.

I don't understand  ...   why are Kate and Gerry  'dismayed at the way the media has behaved over the last couple of days'  ? 

Did I miss something  ?   ...   what have the media  done  over the last couple of days that has so dismayed the McCanns  ? 

In what way has the media  'interefered' with the investigation,  as the McCanns are claiming  ?   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 08, 2014, 03:20:06 PM
I don't understand  ...   why are Kate and Gerry  'dismayed at the way the media has behaved over the last couple of days'  ? 

Did I miss something  ?   ...   what have the media  done  over the last couple of days that has so dismayed the McCanns  ? 

In what way has the media  'interefered' with the investigation,  as the McCanns are claiming  ?   

Maybe the Portuguese pointing out it's their ball and they're taking it with them if they decide they're not playing has something to do with the Dr McCanns' plea.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on May 08, 2014, 03:34:45 PM
Quote
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-latest-news-cops-3496784

A source close to the McCann’s said:

“Police have assured Kate and Gerry that it does not mean they are specifically searching for her body. They are doing searches as much as to rule scenarios out as much as rule them in."

What does that mean then  ?

What,  exactly,  will these digs  'rule out'   ? 

I mean,  lets say they dig up that bit of waste land and find nothing  ...   what will that 'rule out'  other than the fact that nothing was found in that paricular location ?

How will the news of the  'ruling out'  of that bit of wasteground be presented   ? 

"We can definately rule out that Madeleine was buried on this bit of wasteland here ...  She might be buried on a thousand other bits  of wasteland somewhere else,  but we can definately rule out that she was buried on THIS  piece of wasteland" 

What is the purpose of these designated digs if there is no specific evidence that has led to them  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on May 08, 2014, 03:40:32 PM
Maybe the Portuguese pointing out it's their ball and they're taking it with them if they decide they're not playing has something to do with the Dr McCanns' plea.

I could understand if this was a pre-emptive plea for restraint,  but that's not what it is

It is a critisism of the media's  'behaviour'  over the last couple of days

What has there been about the media's behaviour  over the last couple of days that has dismayed the McCanns  ...   anyone know  ? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on May 08, 2014, 03:45:04 PM
What does that mean then  ?

What,  exactly,  will these digs  'rule out'   ? 

I mean,  lets say they dig up that bit of waste land and find nothing  ...   what will that 'rule out'  other than the fact that nothing was found in that paricular location ?

How will the news of the  'ruling out'  of that bit of wasteground be presented   ? 

"We can definately rule out that Madeleine was buried on this bit of wasteland here ...  She might be buried on a thousand other bits  of wasteland somewhere else,  but we can definately rule out that she was buried on THIS  piece of wasteland" 

What is the purpose of these designated digs if there is no specific evidence that has led to them  ?

This is why I find it difficult to believe that they've just chosen random bits of Portugal to dig up. I assume that they must have some evidence that points to something being buried there. As you say, just digging doesn't actually rule anything out other than that nothing was in that exact location.

Every time I think this case can't get more bizarre, it does.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on May 08, 2014, 04:19:37 PM
This is why I find it difficult to believe that they've just chosen random bits of Portugal to dig up. I assume that they must have some evidence that points to something being buried there. As you say, just digging doesn't actually rule anything out other than that nothing was in that exact location.

Every time I think this case can't get more bizarre, it does.
I agree Cariad.  There must have been something specific.

And the fact that no in depth investigations re the three burglars was allowed is very strage imo
It re-inforces the question:  Did these three do an abduction for a Mr Big?  Someone so powerful that he has to be protected?
And is he being protected  by an immensely powerful global group ... a group hitherto thought of as perfect?

Let's not forget what happened with Casa Pia ....  did all the most important peeps thought involved just disappear ... or not?


I also agree with most of what Brietta is saying, wondering if things are being hidden

Could there be a cover up going on?


I do not believe they are following evidence.
I believe they have been denied the opportunity to investigate as they would wish. I believe they are making the best of mopping up areas of searching which should have been eliminated by the original investigation.

I think NSY are just making the best of a bad job
and since it appears this is all that has been allowed from the many actions notified in the letters of request, they are taking it. 

Perhaps it was thought they would refuse.

The Portuguese authorities could then have taken the moral high ground, rather than having a hissy fit and intimating that if anything annoyed them permission would be withdrawn. 

Although the Portuguese are the lead authority and will have complete control of all aspects of the dig, I believe we will be footing the bill for it. 

One wonders just exactly what the Portuguese commitment to finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann and apprehending those responsible really is. 
IMO the Met are being blocked from carrying out elementary policing to rule individuals in or out of the inquiry. 

The criminal charges taken under section 56 & 57 of the penal code against Mr Birch effectively rule out excavation of Mr Murat’s driveway. 

Why don’t they just let NSY get on with the job instead of all this obstruction? 
More and more I am seeing and hearing comments wondering what is being hidden here
.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 08, 2014, 04:21:41 PM
This is why I find it difficult to believe that they've just chosen random bits of Portugal to dig up. I assume that they must have some evidence that points to something being buried there. As you say, just digging doesn't actually rule anything out other than that nothing was in that exact location.

Every time I think this case can't get more bizarre, it does.

You may think that this is the main thrust of their investigation but Brietta made a good point in that this may be the only request of many that has been approved. It makes a lot of sense. Strangely the developments are not bizarre to me and fit in exactly with my theory that the McCanns are not involved.

I  wonder what will happen if SY report back to the home sec saying we've spent 6 million...found several areas to investigate but the Portuguese haveblocked us
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on May 08, 2014, 04:27:13 PM
You may think that this is the main thrust of their investigation but Brietta made a good point in that this may be the only request of many that has been approved. It makes a lot of sense. Strangely the developments are not bizarre to me and fit in exactly with my theory that the McCanns are not involved.

I  wonder what will happen if SY report back to the home sec saying we've spent 6 million...found several areas to investigate but the Portuguese haveblocked us

.............or of course they haven't found a thing and by releasing info to the press, aggravate the Portuguese and give them the pretext they need to justify the millions spent ???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2014, 04:27:58 PM
You may think that this is the main thrust of their investigation but Brietta made a good point in that this may be the only request of many that has been approved. It makes a lot of sense. Strangely the developments are not bizarre to me and fit in exactly with my theory that the McCanns are not involved.

I  wonder what will happen if SY report back to the home sec saying we've spent 6 million...found several areas to investigate but the Portuguese haveblocked us

I'm sure that any blocking that may have occurred will have been for sound legal reasons and not bloodymindedness
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 08, 2014, 04:33:00 PM
I'm sure that any blocking that may have occurred will have been for sound legal reasons and not bloodymindedness

I think it's definitely bloody mindedness..seeing as the whole SY investigation contradicts the initial Portuguese investigation and undermines them
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on May 08, 2014, 05:18:07 PM
I agree Cariad.  There must have been something specific.

And the fact that no in depth investigations re the three burglars was allowed is very strage imo
It re-inforces the question:  Did these three do an abduction for a Mr Big?  Someone so powerful that he has to be protected?
And is he being protected  by an immensely powerful global group ... a group hitherto thought of as perfect?

Let's not forget what happened with Casa Pia ....  did all the most important peeps thought involved just disappear ... or not?


I also agree with most of what Brietta is saying, wondering if things are being hidden

Could there be a cover up going on?

I found out who your 'Mr Big' was today from a comment on a blog site.

You may think that this is the main thrust of their investigation but Brietta made a good point in that this may be the only request of many that has been approved. It makes a lot of sense. Strangely the developments are not bizarre to me and fit in exactly with my theory that the McCanns are not involved.

I  wonder what will happen if SY report back to the home sec saying we've spent 6 million...found several areas to investigate but the Portuguese haveblocked us

If a body is found close to the hotel, I think that rules out stranger abduction, though I am a bit stuck on where a family on holiday would come across a spade?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 08, 2014, 05:36:55 PM
I found out who your 'Mr Big' was today from a comment on a blog site.

If a body is found close to the hotel, I think that rules out stranger abduction, though I am a bit stuck on where a family on holiday would come across a spade?

I disagree, Cariad, if a body is found buried anywhere in PDL it very firmly IMO does not rule out stranger abduction. 

One worries what 'evidence' might have been left at a burial site to confuse the issue and direct implication from that individual or individuals.

I am still of the opinion this is all NSY are allowed to do ~ it covers areas of interest indicated in the initial investigation but not excavated ~ so it eliminates and ticks one box ~ though not perhaps the box they wished to start with.

If they are following a definite line of inquiry, it seems Madeleine's parents are being kept in the loop and are aware of what lines the inquiry is following.
I do not believe that would be the case if NSY had the slightest thought they had buried their daughter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 08, 2014, 05:44:05 PM
I'm sure that any blocking that may have occurred will have been for sound legal reasons and not bloodymindedness

Bearing in mind that there is worldwide attention on what is going on in Portugal, I think they are sending out entirely the wrong message and are in danger of doing the reputation of their country immeasurable damage.

Casa Pia made some headlines, but it involved indiginous Portuguese children.

The world is being reminded of the disappearance of a foreign child who was on holiday ~ and it is being witnessed that the Portuguese seem to be deliberately obstructing the search for her.

I do not think that will go down well.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 08, 2014, 06:02:06 PM
Looks as though things are beginning to move.

Portuguese air force helicopter used in Madeleine probe
Last updated Thu 8 May 2014
World
Madeleine McCann
Portugal

In the latest stage of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, police today commissioned a Portuguese air force helicopter to fly low over Praia da Luz taking photographs of areas of interest to the inquiry.

An Alouette helicopter was seen flying above the beach and other areas close to where Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It comes as work is planned to search the area around the holiday apartment the family were staying in.

Ground-penetrating radar is expected to be used to assess certain areas, including a road that had been dug up at the time 3-year-old Madeleine vanished.

British detectives are currently in the Algarve and this morning met with counterparts from the Policia Judiciaria.

Neither country's officers would offer a view on how the almost four-hour meeting went.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-08/portuguese-air-force-helicopter-used-in-madeleine-probe/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2014, 06:12:01 PM
Looks as though things are beginning to move.

Portuguese air force helicopter used in Madeleine probe
Last updated Thu 8 May 2014
World
Madeleine McCann
Portugal

In the latest stage of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, police today commissioned a Portuguese air force helicopter to fly low over Praia da Luz taking photographs of areas of interest to the inquiry.

An Alouette helicopter was seen flying above the beach and other areas close to where Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It comes as work is planned to search the area around the holiday apartment the family were staying in.

Ground-penetrating radar is expected to be used to assess certain areas, including a road that had been dug up at the time 3-year-old Madeleine vanished.

British detectives are currently in the Algarve and this morning met with counterparts from the Policia Judiciaria.

Neither country's officers would offer a view on how the almost four-hour meeting went.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-08/portuguese-air-force-helicopter-used-in-madeleine-probe/

But they did say they had an enjoyable lunch and the sardines were delicious.   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on May 08, 2014, 06:12:44 PM
Bearing in mind that there is worldwide attention on what is going on in Portugal, I think they are sending out entirely the wrong message and are in danger of doing the reputation of their country immeasurable damage.

Casa Pia made some headlines, but it involved indiginous Portuguese children.

The world is being reminded of the disappearance of a foreign child who was on holiday ~ and it is being witnessed that the Portuguese seem to be deliberately obstructing the search for her.

I do not think that will go down well.

Totally agree.  The best thing to happen for Portugal is for the case to be solved because of the sterling dedicated work of their own police force even if it is in tandem with  SY.   That would completely absolve the PJ from the previous criticism of the investigation under Amaral.    And even if it wasn't solved - they would still be able to genuiney claim they did everything possible to find out what happened to Madeleine - and who could ask for more. 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 08, 2014, 09:11:15 PM
I believe Hogan-Howe was talking about closure today. What else would be likely to give closure?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 08, 2014, 09:34:30 PM
Looks as though things are beginning to move.

Portuguese air force helicopter used in Madeleine probe
Last updated Thu 8 May 2014
World
Madeleine McCann
Portugal

In the latest stage of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, police today commissioned a Portuguese air force helicopter to fly low over Praia da Luz taking photographs of areas of interest to the inquiry.

An Alouette helicopter was seen flying above the beach and other areas close to where Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

It comes as work is planned to search the area around the holiday apartment the family were staying in.

Ground-penetrating radar is expected to be used to assess certain areas, including a road that had been dug up at the time 3-year-old Madeleine vanished.

British detectives are currently in the Algarve and this morning met with counterparts from the Policia Judiciaria.

Neither country's officers would offer a view on how the almost four-hour meeting went.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-08/portuguese-air-force-helicopter-used-in-madeleine-probe/

As I said before.. IMO this is designed to make some people nervous....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 08, 2014, 10:19:13 PM
If we go back to proper policing, SY probably has the mobile phone numbers that were around 5A at the times Madeleine went missing.
They probably already identified these people.
Are these 8 people they want to question and PT is not allowing?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 08, 2014, 10:24:44 PM
If we go back to proper policing, SY probably has the mobile phone numbers that were around 5A at the times Madeleine went missing.
They probably already identified these people.
Are these 8 people they want to question and PT is not allowing?

Can you not tell the difference between actual facts and red herrings?

The British Media have been injecting their own interpretations of the "facts" for far too long now, most recently being the debacle around Euclides and the unnamed burglars.

I will stick with the OFFICIAL announcements, personally.

8 people of interest....hmmm....awfully close to the Tapas 7 don't you think?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 08, 2014, 10:32:03 PM
In a statement on their Find Madeleine website, Kate and Gerry McCann criticised the media saying: "There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult, it can potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether - and hence the chances of us finding Madeleine and discovering what has happened to her.

"As Madeleine's parents, this just compounds our distress."

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/mccanns-slam-media-ahead-of-police-summit-in-search-for-madeleine-30256452.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 08, 2014, 10:34:13 PM
Portuguese air force helicopter used in Madeleine probe
Last updated Thu 8 May 2014

In the latest stage of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, police today commissioned a Portuguese air force helicopter to fly low over Praia da Luz taking photographs of areas of interest to the inquiry.

An Alouette helicopter was seen flying above the beach and other areas close to where Madeleine disappeared in May 2007.

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-05-08/portuguese-air-force-helicopter-used-in-madeleine-probe/?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 08, 2014, 10:35:40 PM


8 people of interest....hmmm....awfully close to the Tapas 7 don't you think?

They would not need a Portuguese prosecutor to allow their questioning..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 08, 2014, 10:41:48 PM
They would not need a Portuguese prosecutor to allow their questioning..

Assuming that the Media embroidery regarding the nationality of those suspects, is correct.

As the BRITISH CPS have written to the Portugese, I suggest that the suspects are British and the Portugese yet again are being slammed in the UK media just because that's the way the UK media rolls.

Pathetic.

Or, you could be REALLY SUSPICIOUS and say that what makes it to the news HAS been leaked by SY, and is purposely inaccurate because they are playing mind games with the real perps.

At this point Operation Grange doesn't give a chit what the press is publishing.  They nod their heads, smile, and pull a dove out of their elbow while everyone's looking the other way.

Very clever, and aimed solely at the POI's NOT US.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on May 08, 2014, 11:17:22 PM
I found out who your 'Mr Big' was today from a comment on a blog site.


Tell me more please.  Where can I find it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on May 08, 2014, 11:24:45 PM
The Met have stirred the pot. Murat/Lagos police have issued criminal proceedings against Birch for trespass. There is no way they are going to allow that drive to be dug up, as private investigators evidence, criminally obtained, does not constitute new admissible evidence.
Madeleine will remain missing & we will not know if she is under that drive or someone has used a deflection tactic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 09, 2014, 12:01:04 AM
The Met have stirred the pot. Murat/Lagos police have issued criminal proceedings against Birch for trespass. There is no way they are going to allow that drive to be dug up, as private investigators evidence, criminally obtained, does not constitute new admissible evidence.
Madeleine will remain missing & we will not know if she is under that drive or someone has used a deflection tactic.

I agree with everything in your post Misty.  In particular when you say they will not allow that drive to be excavated.

I found it odd that only now have Mr Murat and the Lagos police taken action against Mr Birch and not before.
There certainly has been enough provocation. 

Mr Birch has publicised that he has illegally trespassed on Mrs Murat’s property.

Therefore IMO use of section 56 & 57 of the penal code makes Mr Birch a self confessed criminal. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on May 09, 2014, 12:13:35 AM
I agree with everything in your post Misty.  In particular when you say they will not allow that drive to be excavated.

I found it odd that only now have Mr Murat and the Lagos police taken action against Mr Birch and not before.
There certainly has been enough provocation. 

Mr Birch has publicised that he has illegally trespassed on Mrs Murat’s property.

Therefore IMO use of section 56 & 57 of the penal code makes Mr Birch a self confessed criminal.
The document was prepared on 21st March, so legal advice had been sought before then. Murat & CdM had already pulled a stunt with Birch as soon as they knew the investigation was going to be re-opened, knowing full well that there was a distinct possibility the drive could be dug up if a warrant was issued. The body could have been there at some stage & moved, or may still be there. Whichever way, the game changes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 09, 2014, 12:33:03 AM
The document was prepared on 21st March, so legal advice had been sought before then. Murat & CdM had already pulled a stunt with Birch as soon as they knew the investigation was going to be re-opened, knowing full well that there was a distinct possibility the drive could be dug up if a warrant was issued. The body could have been there at some stage & moved, or may still be there. Whichever way, the game changes.

If Mr Birch's assertion is true and the body moved to avoid discovery as a result ... I believe modern technology would indicate recent disturbance of the area under the drive.
I think anyone in whose interest it would be to move her would be aware of that too, therefore if she was there, she still will be, so I think it is logical to follow it through and dig the drive.

The Murat & DdM 'stunt' ~ did that involve digging up the drive for a price?

I think that whatever, the present direction of the investigation could not have been foreseen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on May 09, 2014, 01:06:17 AM
I agree with everything in your post Misty.  In particular when you say they will not allow that drive to be excavated.

I found it odd that only now have Mr Murat and the Lagos police taken action against Mr Birch and not before.
There certainly has been enough provocation. 


Mr Birch has publicised that he has illegally trespassed on Mrs Murat’s property.

Therefore IMO use of section 56 & 57 of the penal code makes Mr Birch a self confessed criminal.

Odd is not the word for it.

Outrageous is a better word.


Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that certain elements in PT are frightened that someone or some people will be charged and that  they are making it impossible to for Brits to win cos. they haven't searched Murats ... and Madeleine might have been buried there !

Any excuse so that it is too difficult to prove the individuals being charged are definitely guilty ?.

And why cannot the 3 burglars accounts be looked at, to see if any monies were paid in at the time?
Am I remembering correctly that the homes of these 3 individuals cannot be searched either ?



Allo, allo. allo .... wots goin on ere ?  >@@(*&)

Is it a case of the Elites win again?  Money and power buyeth everything?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on May 09, 2014, 01:24:57 AM
If Mr Birch's assertion is true and the body moved to avoid discovery as a result ... I believe modern technology would indicate recent disturbance of the area under the drive.
I think anyone in whose interest it would be to move her would be aware of that too, therefore if she was there, she still will be, so I think it is logical to follow it through and dig the drive.

The Murat & DdM 'stunt' ~ did that involve digging up the drive for a price?

I think that whatever, the present direction of the investigation could not have been foreseen.
I think they did foresee it, but the initial reaction was to demand an up-front fee of 50000Euros, payable to CdM who would have exclusive rights to the dig. Contract was no body found - no money refunded to Birch.
My initial thought was the body would be uncovered, complete with indisputable forensics linking it to Kate (strands of her hair in Madeleine's hand), meaning Amaral was right & would be the super-hero, Murat would be in the clear & make a mint from media exclusives, etc, etc.
But something happened to alter that - not quite sure what yet - hence the stalling/silence & now the trespass charge.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 09, 2014, 01:38:41 AM
Odd is not the word for it.

Outrageous is a better word.


Anyone could be forgiven for thinking that certain elements in PT are frightened that someone or some people will be charged and that  they are making it impossible to for Brits to win cos. they haven't searched Murats ... and Madeleine might have been buried there !

Any excuse so that it is too difficult to prove the individuals being charged are definitely guilty ?.

And why cannot the 3 burglars accounts be looked at, to see if any monies were paid in at the time?
Am I remembering correctly that the homes of these 3 individuals cannot be searched either ?



Allo, allo. allo .... wots goin on ere ?  >@@(*&)

Is it a case of the Elites win again?  Money and power buyeth everything?

That is correct, Sadie.
Permission has not been given to search the homes.  Although I doubt if anything incriminating would be found at this remove and the amount of forewarning given.

I find the lack of co-operation with the letters of request very disappointing indeed, and if not intended to obstruct, that is the end result.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on May 09, 2014, 08:25:22 AM
You are not  'raising'  discussion   ...  you are shutting it down

Members post reasonable questions and instead of addressing them  you post  'counter questions'  as a diversion

It' is a common propaganda ploy
So it's quite alright to say "I think x or y lied or hid a body" but not alright to question why they might have done it, or how or when?  Fantastic.  If you perceive that there are no logical, common sense answers to some of the questions that I pose (that still keep the parents and friends in the frame) then really you need to think about why that might be instead of sticking your fingers in your ears and ignoring what common sense is desperately trying to tell you!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 09, 2014, 01:41:27 PM
British police use helicopter as they fly over Portuguese wasteland in new hunt for Madeleine McCann after her disappearance from holiday resort seven years ago.

* British policemen take to the air in fresh search for Madeleine McCann
* Detectives scoured Praia da Luz and coastline using helicopter
* Specialist officers expected to examine several sites in holiday resort
* Team said to consist of six police officials and two forensics experts
* Digging comes seven years after British girl went missing aged three
* Scotland Yard wants to speak with eight witnesses 'relevant' to case
* This has been requested in letter to the Portuguese attorney general

(http://i.imgur.com/x3tNpZS.jpg?1)

(http://i.imgur.com/clBgwRa.jpg?1)

                 In Faro yesterday, DCI Redwood (right) leads his team to the meeting with Portuguese police.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2623254/Scotland-Yard-detectives-leading-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-arrive-Portugal-ahead-excavations-town-vanished.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2014, 02:04:31 PM


The 8 suspects

Maddie detectives arrive in Portugal

Scotland Yard team's list of key names


THE team of British detectives leading the hunt for Madeleine McCann flew in to Portugal with the names of eight suspects.

Three are thought to be workers from the Ocean Club holiday complex where the three-year-old was snatched in 2007. A fourth suspect may be Euclides Monteiro, a local junkie who died in a 2008 tractor accident.

The convicted burglar was linked to a string of sex assaults across the Algarve and also worked at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz.

The other four suspects' names have not been revealed.

The six Met officers - led by Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood - had long talks with Portuguese cops in Faro before starting the latest stage of their investigation.

A military helicopter was commissioned to fly above the Praia resort to take aerial photos of potential excavation sites.

One theory the team are working on is Madeleine was snatched to order. The Brit police have been banned from checking suspects' bank accounts to see if large deposits were made around the time of the kidnap. And a move to raid their homes has been blocked by a Portuguese judge.

The team - which includes two forensic experts - has identified four sites where they may excavate. One is a hillside where Madeleine's mother Kate, 46, of Rothley, Leics, dreamt she had been placed. The digs are not necessarily to find a body - but could unearth vital clues.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5615838/Eight-suspects-named-in-Maddie-cops-return-to-Portugal.html

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2014, 02:32:16 PM

Madeleine McCann: Search to begin on private land

Portuguese authorities have granted permission for one site in the town of Praia da Luz to be examined as part the investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance, the BBC understands.

Permission has been granted for a "field operation" to begin on a section of private land, sources have said.

The Met Police, which is leading the investigation, declined to comment.

Met detectives are understood to have left Portugal after spending two days with Portuguese police in the Algarve.

BBC reporter Richard Bilton, in Praia da Luz, said Portuguese authorities had so far granted permission to begin a search on the land, which could begin in "days" or "weeks".

Investigative work

He said he had been told him that British teams want to conduct more searches, but have yet to make an official request, which could take "weeks" to process.

Metropolitan Police detectives have discussed a timetable for investigative work that Portuguese police will carry out for the British team, he added.

The development comes after reports suggested search teams were expected to start excavating sites in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine - then aged three - went missing on 3 May 2007.

Met Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley this week said "activity" was expected to begin in Portugal "in the coming weeks".

It also comes after Madeleine's parents, Kate and Gerry McCann, posted a statement on the Find Madeleine website on Thursday criticising "media interference" over newspaper speculation in the case.

They warned they were "dismayed" at speculation which could "potentially damage and destroy the investigation altogether".

They added: "There is an on-going, already challenging, police investigation taking place and media interference in this way not only makes the work of the police more difficult."

"As Madeleine's parents, this just compounds our distress," they added.

The seventh anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance was marked on Saturday.

Scotland Yard launched a fresh investigation - codenamed Operation Grange - into Madeleine's disappearance last July.

In March, British police then said they were seeking an intruder who sexually abused five girls in Portugal between 2004 and 2006.

Detectives said the attacks happened in holiday villas occupied by UK families in the Algarve.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27343604
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2014, 02:43:31 PM

PJ about to discard English Police strongest lead

Jornal de Notícias

There is no evidence that a predator of English girls has abducted Madeleine. Scotland Yard has asked for aerial photos of places in Praia da Luz and wishes to question eight "persons of interest"

by Marisa Rodrigues
09 May 2014
With thanks to Joana Morais for translation

The Judiciary Police (PJ) is about to discard the lead that has resulted in the reopening of the process in Portugal and that is Scotland Yard's main line of investigation. So far, there isn't any evidence to support the hypothesis that Madeleine was abducted by a sexual predator who attacked English children in the Algarve.

This is the firmly held position of the team of inspectors from the North Directorate of the PJ who has reviewed the investigation process that was archived in 2008.

After naming as probable suspect the late Euclides Monteiro, a former Ocean Club employee, the Portuguese investigators now believe that the intruder - in the cases that were reported to the authorities - might be British and that he does not reside in Portugal, since there were no new reports and those that were disclosed only target children of that nationality. "A sex abuser is someone who acts compulsively. If he only acted in the summer and has never attacked again it's because he does not live here," explained a source close to the process.

Yesterday, the day was marked by an aerial photo-reconnaissance in Praia da Luz of the areas where searches and excavations are planned using a helicopter of the Portuguese Air Force paid by the British authorities, and by a meeting between the police forces of the two countries at the PJ headquarters in Faro.

One of the places where Scotland Yard wants to use the sniffer dogs and the georadar is on the 25 de Abril street, in the vicinity of the Ocean Club and by the church. The area, which the helicopter overflew three times, was undergoing construction works when Madeleine disappeared, seven years ago. If anything suspicious is detected, they will excavate.

Besides the searches, which were already allowed by the Public Prosecutor of Portimão, the letters rogatory also request for eight people to be questioned. Some used to work at the Ocean Club resort whilst are not linked in any way. With all these initiatives, it seems likely that Scotland Yard has more than one line of investigation, of which the latest and most visible action yet indicates the hypothesis that the child was murdered and buried in Praia da Luz. When questioned, in Faro, DCI Andy Redwood refused to speak with the journalists.

Tension between the PJ and the English

The relationship between the police forces of the two countries is rather tense. The Judiciary Police has requested to the English police to stop disclosing information about the ongoing work in Portugal, otherwise they will not proceed with the steps that were requested. Scotland Yard wrote to the newspapers in the United Kingdom asking for "understanding".

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 09, 2014, 02:52:25 PM
Someone needs to tell the Portuguese that you don't need evidence to question someone. Evidence is what you get through questioning
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 09, 2014, 03:13:58 PM
PJ about to discard English Police strongest lead

Jornal de Notícias

There is no evidence that a predator of English girls has abducted Madeleine. Scotland Yard has asked for aerial photos of places in Praia da Luz and wishes to question eight "persons of interest"

by Marisa Rodrigues
09 May 2014
With thanks to Joana Morais for translation

The Judiciary Police (PJ) is about to discard the lead that has resulted in the reopening of the process in Portugal and that is Scotland Yard's main line of investigation. So far, there isn't any evidence to support the hypothesis that Madeleine was abducted by a sexual predator who attacked English children in the Algarve.

This is the firmly held position of the team of inspectors from the North Directorate of the PJ who has reviewed the investigation process that was archived in 2008.

After naming as probable suspect the late Euclides Monteiro, a former Ocean Club employee, the Portuguese investigators now believe that the intruder - in the cases that were reported to the authorities - might be British and that he does not reside in Portugal, since there were no new reports and those that were disclosed only target children of that nationality. "A sex abuser is someone who acts compulsively. If he only acted in the summer and has never attacked again it's because he does not live here," explained a source close to the process.

Yesterday, the day was marked by an aerial photo-reconnaissance in Praia da Luz of the areas where searches and excavations are planned using a helicopter of the Portuguese Air Force paid by the British authorities, and by a meeting between the police forces of the two countries at the PJ headquarters in Faro.

One of the places where Scotland Yard wants to use the sniffer dogs and the georadar is on the 25 de Abril street, in the vicinity of the Ocean Club and by the church. The area, which the helicopter overflew three times, was undergoing construction works when Madeleine disappeared, seven years ago. If anything suspicious is detected, they will excavate.

Besides the searches, which were already allowed by the Public Prosecutor of Portimão, the letters rogatory also request for eight people to be questioned. Some used to work at the Ocean Club resort whilst are not linked in any way. With all these initiatives, it seems likely that Scotland Yard has more than one line of investigation, of which the latest and most visible action yet indicates the hypothesis that the child was murdered and buried in Praia da Luz. When questioned, in Faro, DCI Andy Redwood refused to speak with the journalists.

Tension between the PJ and the English

The relationship between the police forces of the two countries is rather tense. The Judiciary Police has requested to the English police to stop disclosing information about the ongoing work in Portugal, otherwise they will not proceed with the steps that were requested. Scotland Yard wrote to the newspapers in the United Kingdom asking for "understanding".

Constantly asking 'British' to stop talking to the media but constantly talking to media themselves.

It seems the PJ's biggest worry would be the offender being Portuguese ;)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2014, 04:11:21 PM
So Scotland Yard want to dig up private property behind the church ?

Is that suggestive that they are considering the cadaver dog's alerts were accurate,  and that Madeleine 's dead body was subsequently hidden  ? 

I mean the McCanns have direct connections with that church  ...  even had their own key to it

Conversely,  I can't think what connection that church might have to any  abduction theory

Is it a Catholic church?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on May 09, 2014, 04:54:57 PM
No

Well I'm glad you went in to such depth to explain your reasoning why the Mccann/church/digging theory can be dispelled.

You well thought out and exact argument certainly leaves no room for doubt!


Oh wait.... 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on May 09, 2014, 05:03:00 PM
So Scotland Yard want to dig up private property behind the church ?

Is that suggestive that they are considering the cadaver dog's alerts were accurate,  and that Madeleine 's dead body was subsequently hidden  ? 

I mean the McCanns have direct connections with that church  ...  even had their own key to it

Conversely,  I can't think what connection that church might have to any  abduction theory

This is how I see it too. I don't know if that's just conformation bias though. I'm waiting for someone to supply an alternative that is vaguely realistic.

I have no idea where this is going. We have SY endorsing the use of cadaver dogs by using cadaver dogs, digging next to apartment 5a, yet also saying that the Mccanns need some resolution and to know what happened to their daughter in the same breath.

I wouldn't place money on anything at the moment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 09, 2014, 07:21:54 PM
This is how I see it too. I don't know if that's just conformation bias though. I'm waiting for someone to supply an alternative that is vaguely realistic.

I have no idea where this is going. We have SY endorsing the use of cadaver dogs by using cadaver dogs, digging next to apartment 5a, yet also saying that the Mccanns need some resolution and to know what happened to their daughter in the same breath.

I wouldn't place money on anything at the moment.

I would certainly put a lot of money on the parents not being involved
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on May 09, 2014, 07:26:31 PM
I don't see there being any contradiction in the SY using "cadaver" dogs now, and not treating the McCanns as suspects.  I know some people believe that every time dogs have been used since 2007 by the police it has been a coded message to the world that the McCanns "dunnit", but I don't believe that to be the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on May 09, 2014, 07:32:57 PM
I don't see there being any contradiction in the SY using "cadaver" dogs now, and not treating the McCanns as suspects.  I know some people believe that every time dogs have been used since 2007 by the police it has been a coded message to the world that the McCanns "dunnit", but I don't believe that to be the case.

We shall see. 8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on May 09, 2014, 07:38:51 PM
Members should take care when posting since there are three live threads which potentially deal with the proposed digs in Praia da Luz.

* Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann.

* Scotland Yard about to commence digs in and around Praia da Luz.

* Could a child really be buried so quick and never be found?


It is important that you post on the correct thread.  Your cooperation in this would be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Cariad on May 09, 2014, 07:55:31 PM
I don't see there being any contradiction in the SY using "cadaver" dogs now, and not treating the McCanns as suspects.  I know some people believe that every time dogs have been used since 2007 by the police it has been a coded message to the world that the McCanns "dunnit", but I don't believe that to be the case.

This is just rubbish. I have never claimed that SY using Evrd's is a 'coded message' . My post was perfectly reasonable. To use EVRD's in this  case reinforces the previous use of them as legitimate.

Trying to make me out to be some kind of conspiracy nut won't actually change that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on May 09, 2014, 08:41:57 PM
The fact that dogs are utilised by every single police force in the universe kind of puts paid to the "dogs are crap" argument.

Serious question marks over the way the dogs were deployed in PdL does not reflect on the dogs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 09, 2014, 08:51:30 PM
Oh God, the Mirror has exhumed Raymond Hewlett.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-metropolitan-police-investigating-3519393
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 09, 2014, 09:00:40 PM
Oh god, the Mirror has exhumed Raymond Hewlett.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-metropolitan-police-investigating-3519393

Ha!

To question 8 of his body parts separately?

The POI has been a gypsy, no make that a family of gypsies, no make that a pedophile from the UK, oh wait a TEAM of pedophiles, scrap that it's a team of burglars - no wait, it's Euclides who is now deceased...!

So it's gone from one individual to several, to 3, to one again, then 8 of them, now it's back to Hewlett thanks to the Mirror.

It would be funny if it weren't so ridiculous.

Sell those papers Rupert!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on May 10, 2014, 06:46:58 AM
Do you believe that UK police would have the right to question people (innocent or otherwise) about something that may have happened in another country without request/approval from that country?

Why wouldn't they if the people they wish to question are in the UK (or volunteer to be interviewed). They have their own investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2014, 09:06:29 AM
Police on Maddy case hunt for clues in aerial photos

DETECTIVES were last night studying aerial photographs of the resort where Madeleine McCann vanished for clues to ­features on the land which could hold the key to her disappearance.

Police took pictures from an air force helicopter over Praia da Luz on Thursday.

Operation Grange officers leading the hunt hope the images will identify ­areas where earth may have been moved and evidence like weapons – or a body – could be buried.

Portuguese police chief Almeida Rodrigues has to give the go-ahead for a search which could employ ground-penetrating radar or sniffer dogs, offered by the Met Police, capable of detecting buried bodies.

The Met is concentrating on wasteland next to the Ocean Club complex from where Madeleine vanished and a patch of ground by Our Lady of the Light Church, where prayers were said for her return.

Eight "people of interest" the Met are said to want to talk to include an unnamed British paedophile living in the Algarve at the time.

A Portuguese judge has yet to decide on the Met team's application. The same judge recently banned them from searching homes of three former Ocean Club workers.

Detectives believe an intruder linked to a spate of sex attacks may have snatched Madeleine.

Leading Portuguese daily Correio da Manha reported: "The eight people are of ­different nationalities and live on the Algarve. The British police want to question them as part of their line of investigation based on a sexual predator breaking into various houses."

But in a blow to the Met inquiry, it was also reported Portuguese police are set to discount links between the sex attacks and Madeleine's disappearance.

Porto-based detectives who led a cold case review are said to think there is no evidence the Algarve sex attacker snatched Madeleine.

She went missing, aged three, on May 3, 2007.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/475103/Police-on-Madeleine-McCann-case-hunt-for-clues-in-aerial-photos-of-Praia-da-Luz
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 10, 2014, 09:09:31 AM

Met police investigating Madeleine McCann disappearance probe British paedophile link

An Algarve judge has yet to decide whether they can question eight people of varying nationality, including an intruder linked to a spate of sex attacks there

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are probing a theory that her abductor was a British holidaymaker.

Eight suspects Metropolitan Police cops applied to investigate include a British paedophile that was living on the Algarve when Madeleine went missing seven years ago, it was claimed today.

An Algarve judge has yet to decide on the application by the Met who believe an intruder linked to a spate of sex attacks on the Algarve may have snatched Madeleine.

The same judge recently banned British detectives from searching the homes of three former Ocean Club workers - but has approved the land searches and digs they requested across three sites in the town.

A local source said: “The eight people are of different nationalities and live on the Algarve.

“The British police want to question them as part of their line of investigation based on a sexual predator breaking into various houses.”

This shift in the investigation could mean Briton Raymond Hewlett, a convicted child rapist who was living on the Algarve when Maddie went missing, could once again in the frame.

The monster went to his death refusing to speak to investigators hunting for Madeleine McCann after he was sensationally linked to her disappearance.

The evil sex beast had been staying in their converted truck at a camping site near Praia da Luz at the time three-year-old Madeleine disappeared as her parents Kate and Gerry dined out with friends at the Ocean Club holiday complex.

British cops are also hunting another convicted child sex attacker Roderick Robinson, 77.

Our sister paper the Sunday Mirror revealed this week how vile Robinson was extradited from Portugal in 2010 to Australia where he was sentenced for abusing an eight-year-old girl.

Sources say he could have vital information concerning a paedophile ring in the Algarve while he was living there which could in turn be linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Scotland Yard detectives have previously spoken of their belief that a serial sex attacker on the Algarve could be behind the case.

They are linking 18 incidents when a male intruder broke into British families' holiday villas between 2004 and 2010 and sexually assaulted nine girls with three near-misses.

One of the victims, a ten-year-old girl, was assaulted in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine vanished from the resort.

Sources told local Portuguese media they thought the paedophile their Met colleagues are trying to identify may have been a British holidaymaker.

A source close to the investigation said: "A sex attacker is someone who acts compulsively.

"If he only struck in the summer and he hasn't struck again, it's probably because he doesn't live here."

But in a blow to the British police inquiry, it was also reported Portuguese police are now ready to discount any link between the sex attacks and Madeleine's disappearance.

Porto-based detectives who led a cold case review into the seven year old mystery which led them to dead former Ocean Club worker Euclides Monteiro, are said to have concluded there is no evidence the Algarve sex attacker snatched Maddie.

Euclides' widow Luisa Rodrigues has insisted her partner, a convicted burglar who died in a tractor accident in 2009, has nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance and was cleared of any involvement in the sex attacks after police questioning the year before he died.

Scotland Yard detectives who arrived in the Algarve for a series of meetings with Portuguese investigators on Thursday returned to London today.

The team of six detectives, including two forensic officers who specialise in searching for bodies, boarded the 12.15pm British Airways flight from Faro airport to London Gatwick.

As part of their investigation they will study aerial photos of the Algarve resort taken on a helicopter ride with Portuguese detectives on Thursday.

Police photographers took the pictures from an air force helicopter on a flyover of Praia da Luz following a meeting about land searches and excavations.

Operation Grange officers leading the hunt for Madeleine commissioned the chopper to identify spots where earth may have been moved and where evidence like weapons - or a child's body - could be buried.

They will now study the images while they wait for Portuguese PJ police chiefs to tell them if they can take part in land searches of the areas of interest.

The PJ's top man - national director Almeida Rodrigues - will take the decision and rule on whether to use a Portuguese police ground-penetrating radar or a radar Met Police have offered along with sniffer dogs capable of detecting buried bodies.

He is expected to make up his mind over the weekend.

Scotland Yard hopes the initial land searches could begin by the middle of next week.

One of the areas Met Police have focused on is wasteland next to the Ocean Club holiday complex Madeleine vanished from.

Two others are understood to be a car park in front of an a cobbled road beside Our Lady of the Light Church in Praia da Luz where Madeleine's parents Kate, 46, and heart doctor Gerry, 45, from Rothley, Leics, prayed for Madeleine's safe return.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-metropolitan-police-investigating-3519393
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Air Con on May 10, 2014, 03:50:18 PM
Why wouldn't they if the people they wish to question are in the UK (or volunteer to be interviewed). They have their own investigation.

Into a crime which took place in another country over which our police has no control.

The only way the British police can question someone in the UK, about this case, is if they volunteer.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 10, 2014, 06:19:32 PM
Into a crime which took place in another country over which our police has no control.

The only way the British police can question someone in the UK, about this case, is if they volunteer.
Police can question , charge and try people in this country for serious crimes committed abroad. They could also investigate the fund which would be serious fraud if the mccanns are not innocent
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on May 10, 2014, 06:57:29 PM
Into a crime which took place in another country over which our police has no control.

The only way the British police can question someone in the UK, about this case, is if they volunteer.

Could you provide some substantiation for that, please?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 10, 2014, 11:43:05 PM
I can barely find a snippet written about the imminent dig.

There is nothing on the Daily Mail's front page.

This seems incredible to me, considering the various headlines and front page spreads over the years.

The entire coverage by the UK MSM has always been severely biased towards the McCanns.  This is proof that they have successfully been intimidated by your archaic libel laws.

Unfortunately if the British press ignores the McCann developments, everyone else does too.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 11, 2014, 12:50:28 AM
What is this now???????



CdM:

Maddie Case: PJ changes investigation line

Judiciary on the lead of foreign abductor

Investigators believe that the suspect took the English child and left the country


by Tânia Laranjo
10.05.2014

The Judiciary Police (PJ) changes the investigation line in the Maddie case. After the process into the disappearance of the English girl was reopened based on the similarity with five cases of children that allegedly were victims of abuse – and in which Euclides Monteiro, now deceased, appeared as the main suspect – the authorities now believe that the disappearance of Maddie may have been a one-of-a-kind case. The thesis that connected several situations continues to be followed by the English, but the Judiciary defends that the indications that have been collected over the past six months weaken that theory.

They now believe that the abduction was an isolated situation and that the crime was committed by a foreigner. They also defend that the suspect left the country – given that no other similar situation took place – and that the body, in a case of homicide, is no longer in our country, either. Nevertheless, this PJ theory is far from being closed. Sources that were contacted by CM recall that the case, as long as it is not clarified, allows for all kinds of hypotheses and speculation.

Meanwhile, the diligences that were requested by the English authorities have no starting date. On Thursday, the PJ authorized aerial photos to be taken, in order to understand where the excavations may take place. It is not known whether those will be carried out with the use of dogs or the special sonars that the English say they possess. What is certain is that all the costs will be covered by the British police, which now seems to believe that the little girl died in May of 2007, when she disappeared in Praia da Luz, Lagos. The Scotland Yard members returned to England yesterday morning.

DETAILS

Grounds: One of the locations where the English police wants to carry out searches is a piece of ground near the Ocean Club.

Roadworks: Another location of interest is the streets that were under work in May of 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 11, 2014, 01:09:19 AM
What is this now???????



CdM:

Maddie Case: PJ changes investigation line

Judiciary on the lead of foreign abductor

Investigators believe that the suspect took the English child and left the country


by Tânia Laranjo
10.05.2014

The Judiciary Police (PJ) changes the investigation line in the Maddie case. After the process into the disappearance of the English girl was reopened based on the similarity with five cases of children that allegedly were victims of abuse – and in which Euclides Monteiro, now deceased, appeared as the main suspect – the authorities now believe that the disappearance of Maddie may have been a one-of-a-kind case. The thesis that connected several situations continues to be followed by the English, but the Judiciary defends that the indications that have been collected over the past six months weaken that theory.

They now believe that the abduction was an isolated situation and that the crime was committed by a foreigner. They also defend that the suspect left the country – given that no other similar situation took place – and that the body, in a case of homicide, is no longer in our country, either. Nevertheless, this PJ theory is far from being closed. Sources that were contacted by CM recall that the case, as long as it is not clarified, allows for all kinds of hypotheses and speculation.

Meanwhile, the diligences that were requested by the English authorities have no starting date. On Thursday, the PJ authorized aerial photos to be taken, in order to understand where the excavations may take place. It is not known whether those will be carried out with the use of dogs or the special sonars that the English say they possess. What is certain is that all the costs will be covered by the British police, which now seems to believe that the little girl died in May of 2007, when she disappeared in Praia da Luz, Lagos. The Scotland Yard members returned to England yesterday morning.

DETAILS

Grounds: One of the locations where the English police wants to carry out searches is a piece of ground near the Ocean Club.

Roadworks: Another location of interest is the streets that were under work in May of 2007.

Just been reading a similar story from a different Portuguese source.

First thing that came to mind was ~ why are the Portuguese police being allowed to leak to the Portuguese gutter press ~ but if NSY hold official briefings the investigation will be called off?

Second thing was puzzlement as to why this foreigner would take a body out of Portugal ~ a living child, yes ~ but a body ??

It has reinforced my opinion that NSY were not expected to accept the permission to dig.

It is giving me pause for thought that there are powerful elements in Portugal who wish this investigation to cease.

It is giving me renewed confidence that Madeleine McCann is alive ~ and that someone definitely does not want the search for her to proceed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 11, 2014, 01:14:07 AM
What is this now???????



Calm down, nothing new, allow me to translate -



CdM:

Maddie Case: PJ changes investigation line

Judiciary on the lead of foreign abductor

Investigators believe that the suspect took the English child and left the country


by Tânia Laranjo
10.05.2014

The Judiciary Police (PJ) changes the investigation line in the Maddie case. After the process into the disappearance of the English girl was reopened based on the similarity with five cases of children that allegedly were victims of abuse – and in which Euclides Monteiro, now deceased, appeared as the main suspect – the authorities now believe that the disappearance of Maddie may have been a one-of-a-kind case. translation - not an organised abduction The thesis that connected several situations continues to be followed by the English, (yeah right...at least according to the "leaks" given to MSM, that is)but the Judiciary defends that the indications that have been collected over the past six months weaken that theory. They're a bit stupid but they caught up eventually.

They now believe that the abduction was an isolated situation and that the crime was committed by a foreigner as this is written by a Portugese person, "foreign" means not Portugese which in turn means, British.. They also defend that the suspect left the countryand have yet to come back for the dig - wont' come back either, willingly – given that no other similar situation took place – and that the body, in a case of homicide,ie, no abductor is holding her in his basement; the dogs were right is no longer in our country, either she was removed, via vehicle, already deceased, to Spain. Nevertheless, this PJ theory is far from being closed. Sources that were contacted by CM recall that the case, as long as it is not clarified, allows for all kinds of hypotheses and speculationbecause the investigation was shut down by political forces..

Meanwhile, the diligences that were requested by the English authorities have no starting date. They've already started.On Thursday, the PJ authorized aerial photos to be taken, in order to understand where the excavations may take place. It is not known whether those will be carried out with the use of dogs or the special sonars that the English say they possess. What is certain is that all the costs will be covered by the British police, which now seems to believe that the little girl died in May of 2007, when she disappeared in Praia da Luz, Lagos. we told you so! Now, you can pay for it, we will not spend another cent on this messThe Scotland Yard members returned to England yesterday morning.

DETAILS

Grounds: One of the locations where the English police wants to carry out searches is a piece of ground near the Ocean Club.madeleine never left the OC until AFTER she was exhumed.

Roadworks: Another location of interest is the streets that were under work in May of 2007.
as identified by Amaral and his team

There, better now?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 11, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
Latest news:

(http://i.imgur.com/jaCusnJ.png)

Portuguese officers told a local paper yesterday that evidence gathered over the last six months had weakened the possibility of a connection.  They suspect a foreigner who has now left the ­ country snatched Madeleine.  They fear she was killed and her body smuggled out of the country. 

The theory signals Portuguese police think excavations near the Praia da Luz complex will be a waste of time.  Local residents also think the digs are futile. One elderly British expat believed the Met police were “trying to prove a point” and “keep their jobs”.  She added: “I wonder what the British taxpayer thinks? After all, they are paying for it!”  The woman said locals were “mad” and “feel it (the digging)could ruin our tourism”.  She said: “The resort was busy over Easter and although it’s quietened down we’re heading into the main holiday season.  “I can’t imagine any family with young children would want to see officers digging up the ground.”

Madeleine, who disappeared from Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, would be due to celebrate her 11th birthday on Monday (12th May).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 11, 2014, 02:09:09 AM
Thanks John, full story http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/378322/Digging-is-a-waste-of-time-Portuguese-police-slam-Madeleine-McCann-dig

It turns out that portuguese police said no such thing.

All that the Star are actually claiming someone in portuguese police said is that burgundytopwithwhitecircleman is irrelevant.

Whichever PR man is feeding the Star has twisted that into the PR lie that this "signals Portuguese police think excavations near the Praia da Luz complex will be a waste of time".

Pure desperate PR nonsense IMO.

It is the PJ who applied to the public prosecutor (or whatever he is called) for permission to do these ground searches and excavations, it is the PJ who arranged the portuguese military helicopter and photography for the aerial survey, and it is the PJ who are about to do the ground surveys and excavations. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on May 11, 2014, 02:23:47 AM
So the  Portuguese police think Madeleine is dead and  her body was smuggled out of the country  ...  and Scotland Yard  think Madeleine is dead and her body is buried in PDL  ? 

They are agreed, then,  that Madeleine died seven years ago  ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 11, 2014, 02:35:30 AM
"Police took pictures from an air force helicopter over Praia da Luz on Thursday. Operation Grange officers leading the hunt hope the images will identify ­areas where earth may have been moved and evidence like  ...... a body – could be buried."
(Source: Express, link above)
Now am I right that this means that the PJ and portuguese military peeps in their helicopter in addition to visible-light photography they also did infra-red photography?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 11, 2014, 02:41:43 AM
...smuggled out of the country  ...
Those are the words of a Star writer who would have got them IMO from some PR peep, they are not the words of the PJ.
IMO the PJ (like the SY who are helping them) would consider a local location to be most likely.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: icabodcrane on May 11, 2014, 02:47:20 AM
Those are the words of a Star writer who would have got them IMO from some PR peep, they are not the words of the PJ.
IMO the PJ (like the SY who are helping them) would consider a local location to be most likely.

This 'digging up the resort'  came as a bolt from the blue though,  didn't it   ? 

I mean there was not even a  hint   of it beforehand

It looks like  both police forces are focussed on looking for a dead body now ...  for whatever reason
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 11, 2014, 03:42:44 AM
This 'digging up the resort'  came as a bolt from the blue though,  didn't it   ? 

I mean there was not even a  hint   of it beforehand

It looks like  both police forces are focussed on looking for a dead body now ...  for whatever reason
Yes agreed it is a bolt from the blue.
And credit to AR, seems he is is seriously trying to crack this case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 11, 2014, 03:42:53 AM
This 'digging up the resort'  came as a bolt from the blue though,  didn't it   ? 

I mean there was not even a  hint   of it beforehand

It looks like  both police forces are focussed on looking for a dead body now ...  for whatever reason

Oh yes all those "meetings" where SY and the PJ "fell out" and "disagreed".

All I saw was Andy and co skipping into the PJ HQ in Faro, and skipping out again 3 hours later.

A three hour meeting ending with handshakes and smiles has NEVER been the sign of a major disagreement.

SY and the PJ have been working together for a few years now.

I don't know why more people don't acknowledge that. 

All reports of "differences" between the forces come from Team McCann.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 11, 2014, 08:43:01 AM
This 'digging up the resort'  came as a bolt from the blue though,  didn't it   ? 

I mean there was not even a  hint   of it beforehand

It looks like  both police forces are focussed on looking for a dead body now ...  for whatever reason

Because it is highly probable that Maddie is deceased
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 11, 2014, 12:15:13 PM
Because it is highly probable that Maddie is deceased

I don't agree. She is probably as alive as she is deceased.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 11, 2014, 12:18:50 PM
Just been reading a similar story from a different Portuguese source.

First thing that came to mind was ~ why are the Portuguese police being allowed to leak to the Portuguese gutter press ~ but if NSY hold official briefings the investigation will be called off?

Second thing was puzzlement as to why this foreigner would take a body out of Portugal ~ a living child, yes ~ but a body ??

It has reinforced my opinion that NSY were not expected to accept the permission to dig.

It is giving me pause for thought that there are powerful elements in Portugal who wish this investigation to cease.

It is giving me renewed confidence that Madeleine McCann is alive ~ and that someone definitely does not want the search for her to proceed.

Yes, that is the question: Why Portuguese media is 'allowed' to publish leaked from PJ stories and UK media is not?

And this statement from PJ about Madeleine being taken out of Portugal by a foreigner goes hand in hand with all of the Worldwide sightings of Madeleine?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 12, 2014, 12:31:14 AM
A small headline on today's The Sun front page
"Maddie: rapist is quizzed"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 12, 2014, 12:35:54 AM

Madeleine McCann resort dig gets the go-ahead

THIS is the wasteland where police are expected to start a renewed search for clues about Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

A judge has given the go-ahead for officers to scour the area with high-tech radar equipment.

It is just 100 yards from the apartment from which the then three-year-old vanished in May 2007 while her doctor parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, were dining nearby.

The couple are today expected to light candles and say prayers at a small party to mark Madeleine’s 11th birthday.

Sources said the “field operation” will begin in the Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz within days.

The first area to be examined is one the size of three football pitches across the road from the Ocean Club resort where the McCanns were staying when Madeleine disappeared.

Holiday flats funded by Irish investors were going to be built on the land until the economic crisis forced the project’s cancellation.

Land near the resort’s Our Lady of the Light Church – where the McCanns prayed for Madeleine’s safe return – is also expected to be examined.

Yesterday Brit Nancy Thompson, who runs The Bull pub in Praia da Luz, said she fears the town will become a “circus”.

She said: “Why didn’t they do this at the time?

"Why are they going to do it when tourists are here?

“It will be like a circus town.

"I just can’t believe they are going to do that.”

Mayor Victor Mata said if locals had spotted anything suspicious since Madeleine vanished they would have reported it.

“We’re here every day,” he said.

“If we had the slightest doubt we would have told police.”

Some residents have complained at the effort being put into the search compared to that for local worker Ricardo Fernandes, who disappeared in April.

Madeleine’s parents continue to believe she will be found alive.

In a BBC interview Kate sent a message, pledging: “We love you and we’re waiting for you and we’re never going to give up.”

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/378435/Madeleine-McCann-resort-dig-gets-the-go-ahead
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 12, 2014, 12:38:38 AM
A small headline on today's The Sun front page
"Maddie: rapist is quizzed"

It's in the Mirror n'all.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-face-heartbreaking-3529592
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 12, 2014, 12:44:42 AM
It's in the Mirror n'all.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-face-heartbreaking-3529592


The most important part of the article (and likely, the only accurate part) -

Thousands of calls have been made to Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange team over the disappearance of three-year-old Maddie on a holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

A spokesman said: “We will not be providing a running commentary.”


Implying that the race is still being run, but the finish line is within view.

We will provide commentary AFTERWARDS.







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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 12, 2014, 12:53:54 AM
Sun (pay-for-content but you can read the first few lines)
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/5622125/Convicted-child-rapist-taunted-by-fellow-lags-about-Madeleine.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Air Con on May 12, 2014, 10:24:00 PM
Police can question , charge and try people in this country for serious crimes committed abroad. They could also investigate the fund which would be serious fraud if the mccanns are not innocent

Only if requested to do so by the investigating country. The current investigation in the UK doesn't give that authority.

What is this serious fraud of the fund you mention?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on May 12, 2014, 11:00:08 PM
Georadar used in the King Ghob case may be used in the search for Madeleine McCann.

The Judiciary Police georadar used to search for the bodies of three victims of 'King Ghob' in 2010, could be used in searches requested by British authorities to try to locate the body of Madeleine McCann, who would today 11 years. The unit is ready to capture images of the subsurface and has been used in several cases to search for corpses or weapons used in crimes that have been buried. The decision is subject to the National Directorate of the PJ, which is assessing the means that will be used in searches and permitted investigators from Scotland Yard to assist the investigation. According to British media revealed yesterday, Kate and Gerry have asked Scotland Yard to delay the searches in Praia da Luz, Lagos, to be held just after the anniversary of Maddie, to be a sad day for the family. The English child disappeared on 3rd May 2007, a few days before her fourth birthday, from the room where she was sleeping with her twin siblings.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sandbox=0&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/radar-do-caso-ghob-na-busca-por-madeleine&usg=ALkJrhiZaht2ASeLnHLjbDMXNv4JZJMWIw
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on May 13, 2014, 10:06:50 AM
Madeleine birthday brings more news

As Kate and Gerry McCann woke up to the 11th birthday of their missing daughter Madeleine, news reports brought new twists in the high-profile seven-year investigation. The first is that Scotland Yard detectives have quizzed a 68-year-old convicted paedophile in his prison cell, reportedly about a cleaning business he ran in the Algarve at the time Madeleine went missing. Anthony Woodhouse is reported to have spent more than 10 years on the run in Portugal after raping a 14-year-old who subsequently became pregnant. After being grilled for over two hours by Met police, Woodhouse is understood to have been taunted by prison inmates chanting “Give her back”. As this latest twist in the long-running saga hit the British tabloids, Portugal’s equivalent, the Correio da Manhã, revealed that the PJ police have sanctioned the Met’s request for searches of various sites in Praia da Luz, but has not yet decided “whether the means to be used will be exclusively English”. Scotland Yard wants to use geo-radar and sniffer dogs, as well as British forensic teams, writes Sol website. But the decision is in the hands of the PJ, which also has radar, bought four years ago, able to capture images in the subsoil. The radar has already been used in a number of cases, including during searches for the bodies of the victims of ‘King Ghob’, adds Sol (Francisco Leitão, a.k.a. Rei Ghob is currently serving 25 years for the murders of four young Portuguese). “If the geo-radar detects something suspicious, digging will follow,” Sol affirms. “The objective is to find Madeleine’s body or other clues, like items of clothing or weapons.” Nonetheless, the news site contends that the PJ has already done a thorough search of all these sites and come up empty-handed. Meanwhile, TV commentator and critic Eduardo Cintra Torres has criticised the Madeleine razzmatazz that seems to have been stirred up by Scotland Yard in the past week. Talking on CMTV, Torres claims that Madeleine cop DCI Andy Redwood needs a psychological evaluation. “I look at him, and I just think ‘this man wants to appear on TV’,” Torres told CMTV news anchor João Ferreira. “With so many children disappearing in England, did he choose the Madeleine case because he would appear on television? “Why are the Portuguese police being subservient to this mockery?” He added. “We need to ask, what exactly is going on? This is all just ridiculous. Just a way of showing off.” Torres’ contentions have been echoed elsewhere with critics suggesting the British police are trying to justify the millions spent so far by Operation Grange in the search for Madeleine’s alleged abductor. Others have suggested it is an election ploy of the British government in the run-up to the European elections. Whatever the motivation, Torres claims it is “shameful for the Portuguese state to allow the mediatisation of an investigation that belongs to the Portuguese and not to the English. “If we tried to do the same in England, would they allow it?” He asked. “Of course not!” By NATASHA DONN news@algarveresident.com

www.portugalresident.com/madeleine-birthday-brings-more-news
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 17, 2014, 10:19:04 PM

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-allowed-paedophile-3557684
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on May 22, 2014, 12:19:34 PM
Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Police investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance say "a substantial phase of operational activity" will begin within weeks.

Met Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said the activity would be led by Portuguese police with the involvement of British officers.

Madeleine was three years old when she went missing from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal in May 2007.

Scotland Yard launched a fresh investigation last July.

Credible possibilities

Mr Rowley did not give details about what the next phase would involve, but said officers were working through every credible line of inquiry as part of the "slog of a major investigation".

He said: "It's something that you would expect in any major inquiry.

"A thorough serious crime investigation works systematically through all the credible possibilities, and often in an investigation you will have more than one credible possibility.

"Therefore just because we're doing a substantial phase of work in the forthcoming weeks doesn't mean that it's going to immediately lead to answers that will explain everything."

Intruder

The Metropolitan Police's relationship with officers in Portugal was working well, he added.

Scotland Yard's investigation - codenamed Operation Grange - came two years into a review of the case.

In March, British police said they were seeking an intruder who sexually abused five girls in Portugal between 2004 and 2006.

Detectives say the attacks happened in holiday villas occupied by UK families in the Algarve.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27514800
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on May 22, 2014, 04:16:03 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1266772/madeleine-investigation-enters-major-phase

Madeleine Investigation 'Enters Major Phase'

UK detectives in Portugal say "all the credible possibilities" are being worked through as the police inquiry develops.12:49pm UK,

Thursday 22 May 2014


Police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will enter a "substantial phase of operational activity" in Portugal in the next few weeks.

Metropolitan Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said detectives could not promise answers, but were checking every credible line of enquiry in the search.

"In the forthcoming weeks we are going to be going to a substantial phase of operational activity on the ground in Portugal," he said.

"It's something that you would expect in any major inquiry.

"A thorough serious crime investigation works systematically through all the credible possibilities, and often in an investigation you will have more than one credible possibility.

"Therefore just because we're doing a substantial phase of work in the forthcoming week doesn't mean that it's going to immediately lead to answers that will explain everything."

UK officers are currently running their own investigation into what happened to Madeleine, who vanished at the age of three from Portuguese holiday resort Praia da Luz in May 2007.


Kate and Gerry McCann have called for media restraint
Portuguese police have also reopened their probe into the disappearance, and while they are working with Scotland Yard, detectives have refused to set up an official joint investigation.

Mr Rowley echoed Madeleine's mother Kate McCann's calls for restraint in media coverage of the case.

He said: "I want to be able to go back to Kate and Gerry at some stage in the future and tell them we've got to the bottom of this, or second best is to go back to them and say we've turned over every stone and we can't get to an answer sometimes."

A number Met Police officers hope to be involved in the latest phase of activity.

"The activity in Portugal is led by the Portuguese, that's absolutely crystal clear in law," Mr Rowley said.

"We have some officers who would like to be helping with that on the ground in Portugal, doing some of the work we anticipate. We are putting the finishing touches to the plans to the Portuguese in the coming weeks.

"I anticipate a substantial phase of activity in forthcoming weeks including Portuguese and British officers, but the detail of that is still being finalised with Portuguese colleagues and it will all be under Portuguese leadership."

One line of enquiry for Scotland Yard is a lone male paedophile who staged a series of sex attacks on young British girls while they were on holiday in the Algarve.

Hundreds of people have already made contact with police in response to appeals to try to find the attacker.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 23, 2014, 09:24:43 AM

Madeleine McCann: British police preparing to interview suspects and begin digging in Portugal

Scotland Yard detectives are prepare to join their Portuguese counterparts to start a major operation on the ground in Praia da Luz

British police hunting Madeleine McCann missing Madeleine McCann will begin quizzing suspects and digging for clues within weeks.

Scotland Yard today announced “a substantial phase of operational activity” as officers prepared to join Portuguese counterparts at the resort where the three-year-old vanished in 2007.
 
Met Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said the activity would be led by local police with the involvement of UK officers.
 
British police have said they are seeking an intruder who sexually abused five girls between 2004 and 2006 in villas occupied by UK families in the Algarve. They will sit in as any potential suspects are interviewed by local officers.
 
Forensic teams will use ground-penetrating radar to examine sites where earth has been disturbed. They will then bring in diggers.
 
Detectives are said to be focussing on two areas near the apartment where the McCanns stayed.
 
New aerial photographs are likely to be taken and officers will hunt for changes in vegetation, rock disturbance, odd depressions or piles of soil

Hi-tech tools can detect changes in magnetic fields caused by disturbed earth and changes to soil resistance caused by a body.
 
Mr Rowley said officers were working through every credible line of inquiry as part of the “slog of a major investigation”.
 
He went on: “A thorough serious crime investigation works systematically through all the credible possibilities and often in an investigation you will have more than one credible possibility.
 
“Therefore, just because we’re doing a substantial phase of work in the forthcoming weeks, it doesn’t mean that it’s going to immediately lead to answers that will explain everything. What you will see is normal police activity.
 
“Similarly, this should not be seen as a sign that the investigation is nearing a conclusion.
 
“The very fact that we are in the position of moving towards substantial activity shows the relationship between the Met and its Portuguese colleagues is working.”
 
Mr Rowley said Madeleine’s parents Gerry and Kate would be kept up to date throughout the activity led by the Met’s Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-british-police-preparing-3590958
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on May 25, 2014, 12:38:08 AM
Madeleine McCann News: £6m Investigation May Still 'Draw A Blank', Warn Police.

As the search for missing Madeleine McCann steps up, a senior Scotland Yard officer has warned the investigation may still “draw a blank”.

On Thursday Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley announced a “substantial phase of operational activity” was due to begin in Portugal.

Vowing his officers would work through every credible line of inquiry in the search, assistant commissioner Mark Rowley stated: “I want to be able to go back to Kate and Gerry at some stage in the future and tell them we’ve got to the bottom of this, or second best is to go back to them and say we’ve turned over every stone and we can’t get to an answer sometimes.”

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1118400/thumbs/o-MADELEINE-MCCANN-570.jpg?5)

He also cautioned that despite sifting through all lines of inquiry, the £6m investigation might yield no further clues.

"There's lots of potential lines of inquiry," he said. "If we didn't think there were any potentially fruitful lines of inquiry, we wouldn't be where we are today; we would be saying there's nowhere to go with this investigation.

"There are many potential fruitful lines of inquiry and the only way you get anywhere is to work through them all systematically.

"Within that may be the answer and the case may be potentially solvable.

Read more... (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/23/madeleine-mccann-news-6m-investigation-draw-blank-warn-police_n_5377716.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on May 25, 2014, 12:49:32 AM
Correio da Manhã

CMTV reports that searches and digs in the the Madeleine McCann case due to start in June.

http://cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=4D5F8E68-5BDC-47CB-BECD-C884C8824621
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 27, 2014, 01:00:04 AM
Madeleine McCann private eye breaks his silence on the hunt in a new Channel 5 documentary

THE private investigator behind the 2008 operation to find Madeleine McCann will speak for the first time about his search for the youngster.

By: John Chapman
Published: Tue, May 27, 2014

Kevin Halligen will break his silence in an exclusive Channel 5 interview for a documentary, The McCanns And The Conman.

The 53-year-old set up Operation Omega after being commissioned by parents Kate and Gerry McCann to find Maddy, who vanished at the age of three while on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

Halligan, a Surrey-based Irishman, promised to use his MI5, MI6 and CIA “contacts” to try to track down the girl.

The security consultant signed a six-figure contract – but questions were later raised over exactly how the money was spent.

Now Halligen, who also claimed to have FBI and White House connections, has agreed to tell his side of the story.

The documentary, due to be screened next week, reads like the plot of a spy movie.

It is an extraordinary tale of covert surveillance, sting operations and the bugging of a key witness through the twists and turns of the hunt for a man who was then a prime suspect, code-named “George”.

Halligen’s final report is said to contain significant leads that now form part of the current Scotland Yard investigation, including the crucial e-fits based on the so-called “Smith sighting”, which was aired on Crimewatch last October.

But it transpired that Halligen was an audacious conman, who led people into believing he was a spy.

He was arrested in 2009 and jailed in the US for defrauding an unrelated client on a previous kidnap and ransom case.

He has recently been released from prison.

Channel 5’s Emma Westcott said: “This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims, and how he fooled the intelligence community.”

• The McCanns And The Conman, Channel 5, June 4, 9pm.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478406/Madeleine-McCann-Private-eye-to-break-silence-on-hunt (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478406/Madeleine-McCann-Private-eye-to-break-silence-on-hunt)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 27, 2014, 05:41:30 AM
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/62june12/washington10612Halligen.jpg)

Convicted fraudster Kevin Halligen, the man behind Red Defence and Oakley International,
the PI firms which headed up the search for Madeleine in 2008.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 27, 2014, 11:59:05 AM
Madeleine McCann News: £6m Investigation May Still 'Draw A Blank', Warn Police.

As the search for missing Madeleine McCann steps up, a senior Scotland Yard officer has warned the investigation may still “draw a blank”.

On Thursday Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley announced a “substantial phase of operational activity” was due to begin in Portugal.

Vowing his officers would work through every credible line of inquiry in the search, assistant commissioner Mark Rowley stated: “I want to be able to go back to Kate and Gerry at some stage in the future and tell them we’ve got to the bottom of this, or second best is to go back to them and say we’ve turned over every stone and we can’t get to an answer sometimes.”

(http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1118400/thumbs/o-MADELEINE-MCCANN-570.jpg?5)

He also cautioned that despite sifting through all lines of inquiry, the £6m investigation might yield no further clues.

"There's lots of potential lines of inquiry," he said. "If we didn't think there were any potentially fruitful lines of inquiry, we wouldn't be where we are today; we would be saying there's nowhere to go with this investigation.

"There are many potential fruitful lines of inquiry and the only way you get anywhere is to work through them all systematically.

"Within that may be the answer and the case may be potentially solvable.

Read more... (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/23/madeleine-mccann-news-6m-investigation-draw-blank-warn-police_n_5377716.html)

So all those who think the digging is based on strong intelligence may be very disappointed
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 27, 2014, 06:14:27 PM

EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann bogus super-spy 'will crack case'

A BOGUS super-spy hired by Madeleine McCann’s parents could solve the case.

A new TV shock documentary tells how he identified the prime suspect in the mystery.

A year after the then three-year-old's 2007 disappearance, Irishman Kevin Halligen, 52, signed a £500,000 deal to locate her.

Boasting of connections with MI5, MI6, the CIA, FBI, and the White House he planned to use hi-tech surveillance techniques.

But his contract was terminated after organisers of the public fund set up to find the youngster decided he had failed to honour their agreement.

Halligen was then arrested and extradited to the US where he was jailed last year for 44 months after admitting defrauding a different client out of $2.1m.

Madeleine's doctor parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, were understood to be considering suing Halligen over his Operation Omega probe into their daughter's disappearance.

But according to a new Channel 5 documentary Halligen's operatives may end up solving the mystery. They identified as the prime suspect a man seen heading towards the beach in Praia da Luz, Portugal, clutching a sleeping blonde girl around 10pm the night Madeleine vanished.

Halligen's investigators convinced the Irish family who saw her to help produce an e-fit. That man is now the Metropolitan Police's No1 suspect.

Detectives believe he may be a serial sex attacker who targeted a string of other Brit girls on the Algarve.

In the documentary, The McCanns And The Conman – due to be screened on June 4 – recently freed Halligen will speak for the first time about his theory.

A spokesman for Channel 5 said: "The McCanns trusted Kevin Halligen to bring her home."

Halligen was allegedly spending significant amounts of the cash meant to help find Madeleine on his luxury lifestyle.

Channel 5's Emma Westcott said: "This is the extraordinary story of one man's claims, and how he exploited the nightmare of a missing child."

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/380792/EXCLUSIVE-Madeleine-McCann-bogus-super-spy-will-crack-case
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 27, 2014, 06:17:51 PM

Madeleine McCann private eye breaks his silence on the hunt in a new Channel 5 documentary

THE private investigator behind the 2008 operation to find Madeleine McCann will speak for the first time about his search for the youngster.

Kevin Halligen will break his silence in an exclusive Channel 5 interview for a documentary, The McCanns And The Conman.

The 53-year-old set up Operation Omega after being commissioned by parents Kate and Gerry McCann to find Maddy, who vanished at the age of three while on holiday in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007.

Halligan, a Surrey-based Irishman, promised to use his MI5, MI6 and CIA "contacts" to try to track down the girl.

The security consultant signed a six-figure contract – but questions were later raised over exactly how the money was spent.

Now Halligen, who also claimed to have FBI and White House connections, has agreed to tell his side of the story.

The documentary, due to be screened next week, reads like the plot of a spy movie.

It is an extraordinary tale of covert surveillance, sting operations and the bugging of a key witness through the twists and turns of the hunt for a man who was then a prime suspect, code-named "George".

Halligen's final report is said to contain significant leads that now form part of the current Scotland Yard investigation, including the crucial e-fits based on the so-called "Smith sighting", which was aired on Crimewatch last October.

But it transpired that Halligen was an audacious conman, who led people into believing he was a spy.

He was arrested in 2009 and jailed in the US for defrauding an unrelated client on a previous kidnap and ransom case.

He has recently been released from prison.

Channel 5's Emma Westcott said: "This is the extraordinary story of one man’s audacious claims, and how he fooled the intelligence community."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/478406/Madeleine-McCann-Private-eye-to-break-silence-on-hunt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 28, 2014, 01:57:39 AM
Correio Da Manha 28 May

"Ingleses escavam em 3 sitios ..."
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/capa/cm-de-hoje-28052014

"Ingleses escavam em 3 áreas. Buscas para procurar corpo começam para a semana."
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/ingleses-escavam-em-3-areas

Translated: "English to dig in 3 areas.  Searches to find body begin next week."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: comanche on May 28, 2014, 09:27:42 AM
I will not share as if u have followed this case since May 3rd one would know it was not Gerry. I have over the years answered many, many questions and I know for a fact The McCanns did not intentionally hurt Madeleine even though they live everyday with knowing they definitely should not have left them alone. They are heartbroken.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on May 28, 2014, 09:40:15 AM
I will not share as if u have followed this case since May 3rd one would know it was not Gerry. I have over the years answered many, many questions and I know for a fact The McCanns did not intentionally hurt Madeleine even though they live everyday with knowing they definitely should not have left them alone. They are heartbroken.

Who has said on here they intentionally hurt Madeleine ?

They are responsible for what they did and no one else.

It was common sense, never to leave such young children in the first place.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 28, 2014, 12:41:56 PM
English to dig in three areas Correio da Manhã

Searches to look for the body start next week. English defend burglary thesis.

by Tânia Laranjo /Ana Isabel Fonseca
28.05.2014
With thanks to Astro for translation

Scotland Yard wants to dig at three locations, in Praia da Luz, searching for Madeleine McCann's remains. The English have already sent the letters rogatory - requesting two additional searches - but these have not yet arrived at the Polícia Judiciária in Faro. Only then will the dates for the beginning of the excavations be set, although it seems that they will start early next week.

The three grounds are located near the Praia da Luz resort, in Lagos, where the English child disappeared from, on the 3rd of May of 2007. The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary at the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards. @)(++(*

Dogs that specialise in detecting cadaver odour will participate in the searches. The animals come from England and have already been successfully used in the retrieval of other bodies. The radars that will be used to find out if there is an alien object under ground will come from the same country.

CM knows that the excavations will be carried out by the English police. The Judiciária will be on location just due to bureaucratic issues, given that it holds jurisdiction over the area.

The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already - because these are private grounds. Any discovery will be communicated to the Portuguese authorities and will become part of the process, which was reopened late last year, and which presently runs against unknown persons.

CM was further able to establish that the diligence by the English will last for four to six days. The cost of the operation will be fully supported by the English police, which is already arranging for the rental of backhoes and other equipment that is needed for the excavations.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on May 28, 2014, 12:51:25 PM
English to dig in three areas Correio da Manhã

Searches to look for the body start next week. English defend burglary thesis.

by Tânia Laranjo /Ana Isabel Fonseca
28.05.2014
With thanks to Astro for translation

Scotland Yard wants to dig at three locations, in Praia da Luz, searching for Madeleine McCann's remains. The English have already sent the letters rogatory - requesting two additional searches - but these have not yet arrived at the Polícia Judiciária in Faro. Only then will the dates for the beginning of the excavations be set, although it seems that they will start early next week.

The three grounds are located near the Praia da Luz resort, in Lagos, where the English child disappeared from, on the 3rd of May of 2007. The English believe that the little girl was killed during a burglary at the house and that the body was abandoned near the Ocean Club afterwards. @)(++(*

Dogs that specialise in detecting cadaver odour will participate in the searches. The animals come from England and have already been successfully used in the retrieval of other bodies. The radars that will be used to find out if there is an alien object under ground will come from the same country.

CM knows that the excavations will be carried out by the English police. The Judiciária will be on location just due to bureaucratic issues, given that it holds jurisdiction over the area.

The search warrants that permit the searches have also been issued already - because these are private grounds. Any discovery will be communicated to the Portuguese authorities and will become part of the process, which was reopened late last year, and which presently runs against unknown persons.

CM was further able to establish that the diligence by the English will last for four to six days. The cost of the operation will be fully supported by the English police, which is already arranging for the rental of backhoes and other equipment that is needed for the excavations.

Well there you are..it was a burglar...mccanns not suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Martina on May 28, 2014, 04:00:31 PM
Well there you are..it was a burglar...mccanns not suspects

Why would a burglar take a child with him? And only a child, not touching any valuable items in the flat?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on May 28, 2014, 08:28:16 PM
Why would a burglar take a child with him? And only a child, not touching any valuable items in the flat?
I assume that Mr Redwood's team are aware that a burglar taking a child is unlikely.

I already posted cases where a burglar thinking everyone is out starts to enter a place then discovers to their shock that a child is in and in every case the burglar flees without intentionally harming, and certainly without taking the child.

I've already proposed that this is precisely the first part of what happened in this case, but do people listen? Nope.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: valeria on May 28, 2014, 10:15:14 PM
I assume that Mr Redwood's team are aware that a burglar taking a child is unlikely.

I already posted cases where a burglar thinking everyone is out starts to enter a place then discovers to their shock that a child is in and in every case the burglar flees without intentionally harming, and certainly without taking the child.

I've already proposed that this is precisely the first part of what happened in this case, but do people listen? Nope.
Ι guess you mean that window was opened by a burlgar and the noise woke up the child. It has crossed my mind as well. What happened  next? Could the child had left via front door?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on May 28, 2014, 10:36:03 PM
Ι guess you mean that window was opened by a burlgar and the noise woke up the child. It has crossed my mind as well. What happened  next? Could the child had left via front door?

Not if she were dead.

One would assume.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 28, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
Madeleine McCann: UK police search in Portugal could begin next week

'Substantial phase of activity' in search for missing girl could begin as early as Monday if technicalities permit, sources say

Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz and Josh Halliday   
theguardian.com, Wednesday 28 May 2014 18.51 BST


Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are expected next week to begin searching on the ground in the Portuguese holiday resort where she went missing seven years ago.

Officers from the British investigative team could begin examining areas in Praia da Luz as early as Monday once a number of technicalities are resolved, Portuguese police sources told the Guardian.

Scotland Yard said earlier this month that it would begin a "substantial phase of activity on the ground" as part of the renewed investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

That operation gathered pace in the last few days, according to Polícia Judiciária sources, who said that an official request from British police to examine one site in Praia da Luz had been granted and that the work could "in principle" begin on Monday.

"There are a number of details which still need to be ironed out before full approval of this request is granted," said a police source in Lisbon. "We asked for supplementary details from Scotland Yard and, while they have been received, police in Lisbon and Faro are still studying the information."

The ground-level searches are expected to focus on three parts of the resort where Madeleine went missing on 3 May 2007 while her mother and father, Kate and Gerry McCann, were having dinner with friends at a tapas restaurant near their holiday apartment.

A team of British detectives flew out to Portugal earlier this month ahead of the searches, which are expected to involve the use of ground penetrating radar that will detect whether the ground has been disturbed. Excavations of any site could then follow.

Metropolitan police assistant commissioner Mark Rowley said earlier this month that the operation in Praia da Luz did not amount to a significant breakthrough – describing it as the "routine slog" of an ongoing investigation. He said there were many fruitful lines of inquiry being explored but conceded: "We may go through every line of inquiry and all of them draw a blank."

Rowley also appealed for media restraint ahead of the searches, a call that was echoed on Wednesday by a Polícia Judiciária source in Lisbon who insisted the investigation would not be "transformed into a media circus".

"The moment we feel our work and movements are being undermined or restricted by cameras or satellite trucks, we will immediately order the cessation of all field operations until normality has been restored," the source said. "While we cannot expect television cameras and journalists to stay away, we ask them to respect our work and our space."

The investigation has in recent weeks moved at a much slower pace because of various International Letters of Request from Britain to Portugal and the need for the two jurisdictions to work together. The attorney general's office in Lisbon had not disclosed on Wednesday whether a new set of letters had arrived concerning the searches in Praia da Luz.

A Portuguese police source said: "While we will do everything within our power to assist British police in their investigation, we will do so by abiding strictly to Portuguese law. We are aware that Scotland Yard wish to search other sites, but this information will need prior approval from prosecutors here in Portugal."

A Metropolitan police spokesman said they would not be giving a "running commentary" on the investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 28, 2014, 10:49:45 PM
Madeleine McCann's parents vow not to return to Portugal unless new search finds daughter's DNA

May 28, 2014 19:31 
By Tom Pettifor

Kate and Gerry McCann have “no intention” of being in Portugal’s Praia da Luz while forensic archaeologists and sniffer dogs scour the area

The parents of Madeleine McCann will not return to the resort where they last saw their daughter next week when British police will start digging for clues.

The significant new ground searches could begin as early as Monday, according to Portuguese sources.

But Kate and Gerry McCann have “no intention” of being in Portugal’s Praia da Luz while the grim task is being undertaken, a close pal revealed yesterday.

A UK crack team – believed to include a forensic archaeologist, sniffer dogs and ground penetrating radar - will scour an area yards from the family’s flat in Praia da Luz.

Scotland Yard are focussing on two more sites close by as they prepare for an operation lasting between four and six days.

Portuguese officers will supervise the work and retain overall management of the search.

But Kate and Gerry McCann have decided to stay away, a close pal has revealed.

The friend said: “They welcome the new phase of the investigation and hope it may lead them a step closer to finding out what happened to their daughter. They will be kept informed by Scotland Yard of any developments but they have no intention of going there. It is the last place they would want to be while digging takes place.

“It will be a hugely emotional time for Madeleine’s parents but it is a scenario they know needs to happen. They will only go to Portugal, God forbid, if any remains matching her DNA were found.”

Former GP Kate and heart doctor Gerry, both 45, believe Maddie – who vanished seven years ago and would now be aged 11 – could still be alive. Gerry recently told supporters in his home village of Rothley, Leics, that they had been buoyed up by the Met Police investigation.

During a prayer gathering for his daughter he said: “They are going back out to Portugal very soon. They are chipping away and there is new evidence. We are going to continue hoping we get a happy outcome – and one day we will know what’s happening.”

Kate added: “We are still battling, still hoping, still searching for Madeleine.”

It comes less than a week after Scotland Yard chiefs said the search for Madeleine would enter a “substantial” new phase in the coming weeks.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley confirmed: “There is going to be a substantial phase of operational activity involving Portuguese police with British police in support.

“In a major investigation with multiple lines of inquiry and hypotheses, you have to systematically work through them all.

“This is a phase of activity based on those principles.”

Search warrants permitting work to take place on the privately-owned land had already been issued, it has been reported.

One plot is thought to be fenced-off waste land a two minute walk from Madeleine’s apartment which police hired a Portuguese air force helicopter to fly over earlier this month so they could take pictures. Diggers and other equipment are expected to be hired locally by the Met.

(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3504744.ece/alternates/s615/Praia-da-Luz.jpg)

Scotland Yard have sent formal requests to search two other plots of land - making a total of five - but the letters have not yet reached police in the Algarve capital Faro.

The “substantial” work Met Police have referred to is also expected to include interviews with new suspects identified by Operation Grange officers heading a British probe into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Several are understood to be ex-Ocean Club employees. The Yard has not ruled out the possibility Madeleine is still alive, but has prompted speculation with its dig requests that they now believe the youngster was kidnapped and her body dumped near her holiday resort.

They are linking 18 incidents when a male intruder broke into British families’ holiday villas between 2004 and 2010 and sexually assaulted nine girls with three near-misses.

One of the victims, a ten-year-old girl, was assaulted in Praia da Luz two years before Madeleine vanished from the resort.

Portuguese police heading a separate investigation into Madeleiene’s disappearance have not ruled out the involvement of a former Ocean Club worker who died in a tractor accident in 2009.

Euclides Monteiro’s widow Luisa Rodrigues has insisted her recovering drug addict partner, a convicted burglar, had nothing to do with Madeleene’s disappearance and was cleared of any involvement in the sex attacks after police questioning the year before he died.

Praia da Luz parish council leader Victor Mata has attacked the police excavations plans.

Claiming locals were “fed up with the Maddie case” and most “didn’t care anymore”, he told a Portuguese paper soon after the first reports of the dig plans emerged: “It’s bad for tourism. It’s beggars belief they’re preparing to open up holes here a month before summer.”

The McCann’s spokesman Clarence Mitchell yesterday refused to comment on the forthcoming police activity, saying: “I cannot and will not discuss Operation Grange.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-vow-not-3618722 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-vow-not-3618722)







Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2014, 11:44:17 AM

Police prepare to dig for Madeleine McCann's body

POLICE will start searching for Madeleine McCann’s body next week.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 29th May 2014

They will use radar to scan waste ground near the Portuguese apartment where she vanished in 2007.

UK sniffer dogs are also expected to join an operation set to last up to six days in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

They are said to be focussing on three sites next to the Ocean Club where Madeleine, then three, and her parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, were staying. The start date claim comes less than a week after Scotland Yard chiefs said the probe would soon enter a "substantial" new phase.

Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said: "There is going to be a substantial phase of operational activity involving Portuguese police with British police in support.

"In a major investigation with multiple lines of inquiry and hypotheses, you have to systematically work through them all. This is a phase of activity based on those principles."

One plot is thought to be fenced-off wasteland a two-minute walk from the McCanns' holiday apartment.

Diggers and other equipment are expected to be hired.

Met Police are also expected to include interviews with eight new suspects. Several are understood to be former employees of the Ocean Club.

The Yard has not ruled out the possibility Madeleine is still alive.

Praia da Luz parish council leader Victor Mata has attacked the police excavation plans.

He told a Portuguese paper soon after the first reports of the dig plans emerged: "It's bad for tourism.

"It beggars belief they're preparing to open up holes here a month before summer." 

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/381172/UK-Police-prepare-to-start-dig-for-Madeleine-McCann-s-body

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 29, 2014, 11:47:24 AM

Searches for Maddie authorised in just one location

TVI News: PJ was at the location in order to arrange the details of the excavation in Praia da Luz, Lagos, which will begin next week.

By: Edition / Marisa Rodrigues | 2014-05-28 22:00
With thanks to Ines for translation

It is TVI news. The PJ was in Praia da Luz today, in order to finalise the details for the searches and excavations in the case of Madeleine McCann. Inquiries have been authorised for only one location. Seven years after the disappearance, the British police believe that it will find the girl's body.

These are the steps needed in order to define the last details. The Southern Directorate PJ team, having the task of complying with the inquiries requested by British detectives, have returned to the site. The only place where, up until now, excavations have been approved in Praia da Luz.

Everything is prepared in order to comply with the Letter of Request. It will take place on waste land, adjoining Rua 25 de Abril. An extensive area that will require various days' work. Work should begin next week.

It is expected that Metropolitan police officers, forensic teams, bringing sniffer dogs and a geo-radar will be present at the scene, in order to analyse the terrain. In an operation planned and coordinated by the PJ, after having received the green light from the Public Ministry.

The most recent steps in the British investigation indicate that the strongest possibility being taken into account is that Madeleine McCann is dead. Seven years after the disappearance, it is suspected that her body could be in the area, which at the time, was the target of searches made by the GNR with the help of tracker dogs.

http://www.tvi24.iol.pt/503/sociedade/maddie-madeleine-mccann-buscas-praia-da-luz-tvi24-ultimas-noticias/1557733-4071.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on May 29, 2014, 12:08:25 PM
Portuguese police have visited the waste ground in Praia da Luz where the search for Madeleine McCann is due to start early next week.

Gerard Couzens 
Published: 29 May 2014
Updated: 10:13, 29 May 2014


Several PJ officers examined the area on foot and by car yesterday/on Wednesday after travelling to the Algarve holiday resort from their base in Faro an hour's drive away.

Faro police chief Luis Mota Carmo - who has held several meetings with the British detective leading the hunt for Madeleine McCann - led the site survey.

Last night it was reported the area the British police have been given permission to dig up is waste ground near to the spot where a man carrying a girl in pink pyjamas was seen the night Madeleine disappeared more than seven years ago.

It had been thought British police would start their search at fenced-off land next to the Ocean Club holiday complex where Madeleine was staying with her family.

But the Portuguese detectives were spotted going over wasteland next to 25th of April Street, a short walk west from the centre of Praia da Luz.

The large area of scrubland overlooking the Med is the only site British police have so far been given permission to search, Portuguese media reported.

Respected Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias said a search team with police from the two countries would re-examine the site at the start of next week before cordoning off the areas they intend focusing on.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-latest-portugal-police-praia-da-luz-9451031.html (http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-search-latest-portugal-police-praia-da-luz-9451031.html)

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on May 30, 2014, 12:08:05 AM
http://www.c21media.net/c5-tells-mccann-conman-story/


C5 tells McCann conman story


The UK’s Channel 5 is lining up a one-off doc about disappeared British child Madeleine McCann, featuring the first interview with a conman who led an independent investigation into the case.

The McCanns and the Conman will air on Wednesday June 4 at 21.00 and is being produced by the commercial terrestrial channel’s in-house production outfit 5Production and Brighton-based indie Lantern Films.

The programme features the first ever interview with security consultant Kevin Halligen, who ran the Operation Omega investigation using money from the Find Madeleine Fund after claiming to be connected to MI5, the CIA, FBI and the White House.

It transpired that Halligen was an audacious conman, who was accused of spending money from the fund on his lavish lifestyle. He was arrested in 2009 and jailed for defrauding another client on a previous kidnap and ransom case.

However, the team he put together on the ground, and the investigation he ran, has turned up significant leads and information in the ongoing hunt for Madeleine who disappeared from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.

The doc was commissioned by Emma Westcott and is executive produced by Jacqui Wilson.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on May 30, 2014, 12:29:05 AM
http://www.c21media.net/c5-tells-mccann-conman-story/


C5 tells McCann conman story


The UK’s Channel 5 is lining up a one-off doc about disappeared British child Madeleine McCann, featuring the first interview with a conman who led an independent investigation into the case.

The McCanns and the Conman will air on Wednesday June 4 at 21.00 and is being produced by the commercial terrestrial channel’s in-house production outfit 5Production and Brighton-based indie Lantern Films.

The programme features the first ever interview with security consultant Kevin Halligen, who ran the Operation Omega investigation using money from the Find Madeleine Fund after claiming to be connected to MI5, the CIA, FBI and the White House.

It transpired that Halligen was an audacious conman, who was accused of spending money from the fund on his lavish lifestyle. He was arrested in 2009 and jailed for defrauding another client on a previous kidnap and ransom case.

However, the team he put together on the ground, and the investigation he ran, has turned up significant leads and information in the ongoing hunt for Madeleine who disappeared from a holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.

The doc was commissioned by Emma Westcott and is executive produced by Jacqui Wilson.

8((()*/

Cheers Lizibif.

Good to see you around.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on May 30, 2014, 01:29:56 PM

Portuguese police start digging for Madeleine McCann's body

THE police hunt for Madeleine McCann's final resting place has begun.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 30th May 2014

Portuguese officers searched a stretch of waste ground where the operation to find the missing youngster's body will start next week.

It is close to where a man was seen carrying a sleeping girl in pink pyjamas the night the then three year- old vanished, seven years ago.

An Irish family saw him walking off with the child around the time Madeleine’s mum Kate, 46, discovered her missing from her bed in the family's apartment at the nearby Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz.

Despite a Europe-wide TV appeal to trace the man, and the issuing of an efit, he has not been identified and remains the British police's prime suspect.

Several officers examined the area on foot and by car on Wednesday after driving to the Algarve resort from their Faro base an hour away.

Faro police chief Luis Mota Carmo led the site survey.

It had been thought police would start their search at fenced-off land next to the Ocean Club.

But the Portuguese police were spotted going over wasteland next to Rua 25 de Abril (25th of April Street) near the centre of the resort.

The large area of scrubland overlooking the Med is the only site British police have permission to search, Portuguese media reported.

Met Police are expected to provide sniffer dogs and ground-penetrating radar for next week's search, expected to last four to six days.

Kate and her husband Gerry, 45, continue to believe their daughter, who would now be 11, is still alive.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/381358/Portuguese-police-start-digging-for-Madeleine-McCann-s-body
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on June 01, 2014, 11:30:30 PM

Ward of Court: Decision issued by Judge in Libel Trial
1 Jun 2014



Judge rules that Kate and Gerry McCann do not possess the authority to sue Gonçalo Amaral in their daughter’s name.


The judge at the Civil Court of Lisbon who is trying the ‘libel’ case which Kate and Gerry McCann have filed against Gonçalo Amaral and 3 other parties has issued a decision concerning the matter of Madeleine McCann being a Ward of Court.

On the 3rd of January 2014, Gonçalo Amaral had argued before the Lisbon Court that Madeleine’s parents do not possess the necessary power to represent their daughter in this action, since the child had been made a Ward of Court in the United Kingdom.

The judge decided that Mr Amaral should present a certificate of the relevant British judicial ruling. That certificate was delivered to the Court on the 2nd of May, after a lengthy, expensive process.

The judge then had to decide whether or not Madeleine’s parents were entitled to represent their daughter in this lawsuit. In the judge’s recent ruling, it is mentioned that “within the 'Wardship', the High Court holds ultimate responsibility over the child, but it does not suppress or annul the exercise of the parental responsibilities”. The High Court takes control over “the most important decisions for the life” of the child. The judge further considers that “the decision to file a judicial action in the name of the child” is a decision “of the magnitude that is demanded for the agreement or consent of the court”.

The judge’s ruling further notes that the matters that have been brought before the High Court that holds the Wardship have been matters of an “eminently judiciary nature, like the revelation of confidential information and documents, that are related to the child’s disappearance and were in the possession of the local police”.

The text continues with the consideration that because Madeleine was made a Ward of the Court on the 2nd of April of 2008, her parents did not possess, in 2009, “the necessary capacity of representation of their daughter to file the present action without the authorization from the British court”.

Nevertheless, the judge has decided that the final court session, which will include a statement from Gerald McCann and the presentation of closing arguments from all sides, should take place regardless of the matter of the Wardship.

After that hearing is completed, the proceedings will be suspended for 30 days. During that period, Madeleine’s parents “shall arrange for the collection and documentation in the records of the British Court’s authorization for the bringing of this action on behalf of the minor Madeleine McCann”. If they fail to do so, the defendants will be “acquitted of the proceedings concerning the requests that have been formulated on behalf of the latter”.

The judge has proposed the date of 16th June for the final session, but each of the lawyers involved have the possibility of declining said date and suggesting alternative dates.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 01, 2014, 11:38:58 PM
Ward of Court: Decision issued by Judge in Libel Trial
1 Jun 2014



Judge rules that Kate and Gerry McCann do not possess the authority to sue Gonçalo Amaral in their daughter’s name.


The judge at the Civil Court of Lisbon who is trying the ‘libel’ case which Kate and Gerry McCann have filed against Gonçalo Amaral and 3 other parties has issued a decision concerning the matter of Madeleine McCann being a Ward of Court.

On the 3rd of January 2014, Gonçalo Amaral had argued before the Lisbon Court that Madeleine’s parents do not possess the necessary power to represent their daughter in this action, since the child had been made a Ward of Court in the United Kingdom.

The judge decided that Mr Amaral should present a certificate of the relevant British judicial ruling. That certificate was delivered to the Court on the 2nd of May, after a lengthy, expensive process.

The judge then had to decide whether or not Madeleine’s parents were entitled to represent their daughter in this lawsuit. In the judge’s recent ruling, it is mentioned that “within the 'Wardship', the High Court holds ultimate responsibility over the child, but it does not suppress or annul the exercise of the parental responsibilities”. The High Court takes control over “the most important decisions for the life” of the child. The judge further considers that “the decision to file a judicial action in the name of the child” is a decision “of the magnitude that is demanded for the agreement or consent of the court”.

The judge’s ruling further notes that the matters that have been brought before the High Court that holds the Wardship have been matters of an “eminently judiciary nature, like the revelation of confidential information and documents, that are related to the child’s disappearance and were in the possession of the local police”.

The text continues with the consideration that because Madeleine was made a Ward of the Court on the 2nd of April of 2008, her parents did not possess, in 2009, “the necessary capacity of representation of their daughter to file the present action without the authorization from the British court”.

Nevertheless, the judge has decided that the final court session, which will include a statement from Gerald McCann and the presentation of closing arguments from all sides, should take place regardless of the matter of the Wardship.

After that hearing is completed, the proceedings will be suspended for 30 days. During that period, Madeleine’s parents “shall arrange for the collection and documentation in the records of the British Court’s authorization for the bringing of this action on behalf of the minor Madeleine McCann”. If they fail to do so, the defendants will be “acquitted of the proceedings concerning the requests that have been formulated on behalf of the latter”.

The judge has proposed the date of 16th June for the final session, but each of the lawyers involved have the possibility of declining said date and suggesting alternative dates.


Gosh, what on earth could be the "documents and information" held by the police that affect Madeleine's wardship?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................

Eta- if that's not proof that they've never been "cleared", I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on June 01, 2014, 11:41:21 PM

Gosh, what on earth could be the "documents and information" held by the police that affect Madeleine's wardship?


Hmmmmmmmmmmmm......................

the mcanns made maddie a ward of the court in 2007  after she vanished for some bizzare reason
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 01, 2014, 11:51:03 PM
the mcanns made maddie a ward of the court in 2007  after she vanished for some bizzare reason

And now they're arguing the Wardship is affected by "information and documents" held by the police.

If it wasn't the McCann, who are of course above reproach, you would say the information and documents have something to do with wilful risk or damage to the child.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 02, 2014, 12:12:18 AM
Daily Star 2nd June
"Maddie: Come And Dig Here"
... Jenny Murat told British detectives: “Come and dig up my garden if you think it will help your search.” ...  “They won’t find a thing but if they need to do it as part of their investigation they’re welcome" ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 02, 2014, 01:09:21 AM
What the hell is this ..how strange !!!

http://portugalresident.com/update-albufeira-stabbing-takes-bizarre-new-twist
Quote
“I woke up with him on top of me, suffocating me. Then he shouted “I killed Maddie McCann and I am going to kill you”.

It was at this point, said the woman, that Shane began stabbing her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on June 02, 2014, 01:31:22 AM
What the hell is this ..how strange !!!

http://portugalresident.com/update-albufeira-stabbing-takes-bizarre-new-twist

I saw that too, last night. Looks like the lad was high on something. Given his MO this time, I doubt even the PJ would have missed that much blood.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on June 02, 2014, 08:03:39 AM
Madeleine Police Set To Dig As Area Sealed Off
The investigation takes a new turn as police in Portugal prepare to dig at a site in Praia da Luz.
7:35am UK, Monday 02 June 2014
Tom Parmenter


Police searching for Madeleine McCann have sealed off an area in Praia da Luz, where they are expected to begin digging.

A team of Portuguese police officers and at least four vehicles have been stationed on a mound to the west of the town since early this morning.

(http://i.imgur.com/Zuq1U5e.jpg)

They are expected to work in the area for days, rather than hours.

The development marks a significant new phase of the investigation into her disappearance while she was on holiday with her family in the Portuguese resort in May 2007.
Madeleine McCann search area sealed off An area in the Praia da Luz resort has been sealed off

Several parts of the town have been identified as potential search sites including an area of scrubland close to the apartment where the McCanns had been staying.

The land which had been earmarked for development is now fenced off but was an open area on the night of Madeleine's disappearance.

Her parents Kate and Gerry McCann have not travelled to Portugal but will be kept up to date with any developments.
Portugal Various potential dig sites have been identified in Praia da Luz

British expat residents in Praia da Luz confirmed to Sky News that they had recently seen a military aircraft flying for long periods possibly conducting aerial reconnaissance.

Former Metropolitan Police search adviser Keith Farquharson told Sky News: "They wouldn't just be identifying that part by plucking it out of thin air they have obviously got hard information and the evidence trail is leading to that particular area."

Mr Farquharson explained what is likely to happen next: "The area will be properly mapped with GPS coordinates for each one of those sites.
Madeleine McCann missing Kate and Gerry McCann have not travelled to Portugal for the search

"Those areas will then be broken into smaller areas which will be easier to search,  then you would send in the ground penetrating radar which will look for anomalies below the surface.

"Once those anomalies are identified then in my experience you would deploy victim recovery dogs to those particular areas."

As they are working alongside the Portuguese authorities the Metropolitan Police are giving out very few details about the new phase of the investigation or how long it will last.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 02, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
Maybe this will shut Sadie and Birch up  8((()*/

'Come and dig up my garden' says mother of cleared Maddie suspect

A MUM whose son was cleared as a suspect in Madeleine McCann’s disappearance welcomed the new police search.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 2nd June 2014


Jenny Murat told British detectives: “Come and dig up my garden if you think it will help your search.”

Her son Robert Murat, 40, has been probed then eliminated as an official suspect – or arguido – by Portuguese police.

She added: “They won’t find a thing but if they need to do it as part of their investigation they’re welcome.

“That poor girl’s parents need some answers after seven years.”

British ex-pat Jenny, 78, lives just 100 yards away from the holiday flat in Portugal’s Praia da Luz where Maddie vanished. She said Scotland Yard had not been in contact yet.

She was speaking as British and Portuguese police prepare to dig up parts of the resort.

She added: “I’ve had it all before when my son Robert was living here and now I’m thinking: ‘Not again.’

“But if it helps police rule out a certain scenario, let it be. We’ve got nothing to hide.”

She added: “I’ve been away in England for a while but I’m home now and my garden’s overgrown and full of weeds.”

She said police had originally searched her home and garden in July 2007, just two months after the then three-year-old vanished as her parents dined nearby. She said: “I remember it only too well.

“There were six policemen with sniffer dogs all over the place.”

She insists the new dig will anger locals adding: “They feel it could ruin our tourism industry.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 02, 2014, 05:24:53 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/02/police-search-madeleine-mccann-begins-praia-da-luz
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 02, 2014, 11:56:30 PM
Clip from the MIRROR

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said the distraught couple “just want to know exactly what happened to their daughter”.

She added: “It is my belief that police have some very good information to be carrying out ground searches.

“I believe there is data in the criminal file which has led to this operation because, if not, police would not be performing this very drastic task.

“Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive.
“But they think police will come up with some significant news. It is such a stressful time for them and my heart goes out to them.
"It has been so long, and the investigating officers now have new information and there may finally be some answers.”

Ms Duarte added: “I don’t need to ask them how they are feeling. It is very clear.
"But it is not for me to say if they fear the worse.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-unprecedented-operation-3638457#ixzz33WMQczDE
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 02, 2014, 11:58:35 PM
Gerry and Kate haven't been given any information AT ALL this time and it's driving them nuts.

Away from the cameras and into the compost heap.

I wouldn't like to be living in that house, not at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2014, 12:16:38 AM
Gerry and Kate haven't been given any information AT ALL this time and it's driving them nuts.

Away from the cameras and into the compost heap.

I wouldn't like to be living in that house, not at all.

No ~ neither would I. 

But then I can empathise with the Drs McCann as they wait to see if their beloved daughter is about to be found buried in the waste ground presently being searched. 

The pain must be unimaginable and anyone who rejoices in that should examine their conscience very carefully.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2014, 05:15:00 AM

Oh My.  It seems as though Scotland Yard might have information that they haven't been telling to the general public.  How very dare they.  We have a right to know, you know.

Please, please God, don't let Madeleine be there.  I cannot begin to imagine what The McCanns are going through.  I feel sick myself.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 03, 2014, 09:07:05 AM
Oh My.  It seems as though Scotland Yard might have information that they haven't been telling to the general public.  How very dare they.  We have a right to know, you know.

Please, please God, don't let Madeleine be there.  I cannot begin to imagine what The McCanns are going through.  I feel sick myself.

Most grieving parents would rather have an answer.

I simply cannot understand why they are not there, for Madeleine's sake if nothing else.

Really, it's fairly inexplicable.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2014, 09:08:38 AM
Luz resident supports the digs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2014, 09:22:51 AM
Most grieving parents would rather have an answer.

I simply cannot understand why they are not there, for Madeleine's sake if nothing else.

Really, it's fairly inexplicable.

Why do they need to be there?  Someone will tell them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 03, 2014, 09:23:48 AM
Why do they need to be there?  Someone will tell them.

They might be finding Madeleine.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2014, 09:30:53 AM
They might be finding Madeleine.

And they might not.  Meanwhile, why should The McCanns parade for the ghouls?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2014, 09:31:24 AM
Madeleine McCann search 'unprecedented operation' as British police descend on holiday complex for dig
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-unprecedented-operation-3638457

Madeleine McCann: Diggers set to move in as high-tech investigation starts
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/381931/Madeleine-McCann-Diggers-set-to-move-in-as-high-tech-Praia-da-Luz-investigation-starts
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 03, 2014, 12:06:37 PM
April Jones police and sniffer dogs helping with dig in Portugal
03 June 2014 11:52 AM
 By Alicia Melville-Smith

A dozen British detectives and uniformed police, including two Welsh officers, have descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the youngster disappeared days before her fourth birthday
 
British police meet local police at an area of scrubland close to where Madeleine McCann went missing seven years ago, in the resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Welsh police officers and sniffer dogs involved in the search for April Jones are in Portugal helping with the search for missing Madeleine McCann.

Two South Wales Police specialist dog handlers, and victim detection dogs, have been deployed to assist with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine.

Kate and Gerry McCann face new agony as police began digging near the Algarve holiday complex where their daughter Madeleine disappeared seven years ago

In an unprecedented operation initiated by Scotland Yard, officers were concentrating their search on an overgrown area of scrubland as the McCann's were said to be bracing themselves for "significant news".

A South Wales Police spokeswoman said: "The officers are working as part of a small team of British police officers, led by Metropolitan Police Service in conjunction with the Portuguese authorities.

"The dogs are both seven-year-old English Springer Spaniels, called Tito and Muzzy, and both dogs were deployed during the search for April Jones in 2012."

A dozen British detectives and uniformed police descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old vanished in May 2007.

The search team, liaising with Portuguese authorities, spent more than seven hours mapping out the area, just 300 yards from the family apartment where she was last seen.

The Operation Grange team erected three forensic tents in specific spots as part of the most significant development since Madeleine was snatched.

Detectives are expected to start using ground-penetrating radar and begin excavation work for clues that could solve the tragic case.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said the distraught couple “just want to know exactly what happened to their daughter”.

She added: “It is my belief that police have some very good information to be carrying out ground searches.

“I believe there is data in the criminal file which has led to this operation because, if not, police would not be performing this very drastic task.

“Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive."

It was the evening of May 3, 2007 – just nine days before her fourth birthday – when Madeleine went missing from the ground floor apartment while her parents dined in a tapas restaurant with friends.

The Portuguese police case - which was criticised after Kate and Gerry, from Rothely, Leics. were named formal suspects – was shelved the following year.

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to re-investigate the disappearance after David Cameron ordered Scotland Yard to review all the evidence.

UK police have made numerous trips to Portugal this is the first time they have carried out a search.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-7208309
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 03, 2014, 12:28:34 PM
April Jones police and sniffer dogs helping with dig in Portugal
03 June 2014 11:52 AM
 By Alicia Melville-Smith

A dozen British detectives and uniformed police, including two Welsh officers, have descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the youngster disappeared days before her fourth birthday
 
British police meet local police at an area of scrubland close to where Madeleine McCann went missing seven years ago, in the resort of Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Welsh police officers and sniffer dogs involved in the search for April Jones are in Portugal helping with the search for missing Madeleine McCann.

Two South Wales Police specialist dog handlers, and victim detection dogs, have been deployed to assist with the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine.

Kate and Gerry McCann face new agony as police began digging near the Algarve holiday complex where their daughter Madeleine disappeared seven years ago

In an unprecedented operation initiated by Scotland Yard, officers were concentrating their search on an overgrown area of scrubland as the McCann's were said to be bracing themselves for "significant news".

A South Wales Police spokeswoman said: "The officers are working as part of a small team of British police officers, led by Metropolitan Police Service in conjunction with the Portuguese authorities.

"The dogs are both seven-year-old English Springer Spaniels, called Tito and Muzzy, and both dogs were deployed during the search for April Jones in 2012."

A dozen British detectives and uniformed police descended on the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old vanished in May 2007.

The search team, liaising with Portuguese authorities, spent more than seven hours mapping out the area, just 300 yards from the family apartment where she was last seen.

The Operation Grange team erected three forensic tents in specific spots as part of the most significant development since Madeleine was snatched.

Detectives are expected to start using ground-penetrating radar and begin excavation work for clues that could solve the tragic case.

The McCanns’ Portuguese lawyer, Isabel Duarte, said the distraught couple “just want to know exactly what happened to their daughter”.

She added: “It is my belief that police have some very good information to be carrying out ground searches.

“I believe there is data in the criminal file which has led to this operation because, if not, police would not be performing this very drastic task.

“Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive."

It was the evening of May 3, 2007 – just nine days before her fourth birthday – when Madeleine went missing from the ground floor apartment while her parents dined in a tapas restaurant with friends.

The Portuguese police case - which was criticised after Kate and Gerry, from Rothely, Leics. were named formal suspects – was shelved the following year.

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to re-investigate the disappearance after David Cameron ordered Scotland Yard to review all the evidence.

UK police have made numerous trips to Portugal this is the first time they have carried out a search.

www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-7208309

Nice to have my earlier guess confirmed!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 03, 2014, 12:29:41 PM
BBC News 24 report just been on. An area is being cordoned off where the dogs kept going to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 03, 2014, 12:32:19 PM
South Wales Police sniffer dogs Tito (left) and Muzzy on a previous exercise with Gwent police dog handlers Sally Richards and David Brake.

The dogs are both seven-year-old English Springer Spaniels, both dogs were deployed during the search for April Jones in 2012.

(http://www.southwalesargus.co.uk/resources/images/2732119.jpg?type=display)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 03, 2014, 12:38:42 PM
BBC News 24 breaking news - hearing they've been given permission to search two more sites.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on June 03, 2014, 01:59:05 PM
Madeleine McCann search could be widened to two new sites

The search for Madeleine McCann could be widened to include two new sites before the end of the week, a police source has told the Guardian.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/03/madeleine-mccann-search-two-new-sites

Interestingly, they do not expect the search to continue beyond the end of this week, whether other sites are also looked at or not. So this could well all be over by Friday. That's what I'm expecting, unfortunately, with nothing found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2014, 02:11:54 PM
That suggests, to me, that the police have very specific intelligence about where to look, otherwise they would have a longer time frame, as the areas involved are quite large.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2014, 02:16:02 PM

Someone might have come forward with some slightly garbled information.  But Scotland Yard certainly won't be telling.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on June 03, 2014, 02:22:31 PM
That suggests, to me, that the police have very specific intelligence about where to look, otherwise they would have a longer time frame, as the areas involved are quite large.

You're assuming the Met set the timeline.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2014, 02:26:08 PM
Yes , I am, but I don't see that it matters. They've got a week to do their stuff.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on June 03, 2014, 02:29:16 PM
Yes , I am, but I don't see that it matters. They've got a week to do their stuff.

i think mcann supporters need to start facing the reality that most likley they are looking  for maddies remains   they wouldnt be looking in   places that they are if they believe she isnt there  imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2014, 04:48:53 PM
During daylight hours then you think?

And I  thought these bins got emptied daily, in the middle of the night...?

Not sure about the bins - you may well be right.

A final site may have been selected during daylight hours with disposal during the night. Searching wasn't constant 24 hours a day for weeks  on end.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: patb on June 03, 2014, 04:49:07 PM
One of the remarkable things about this forum is that so many people are so sure of themselves (on either side) when there is so little hard evidence. How can you use an expression like "100% innocent"? None of us really know
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 03, 2014, 04:55:21 PM
Not sure about the bins - you may well be right.

A final site may have been selected during daylight hours with disposal during the night. Searching wasn't constant 24 hours a day for weeks  on end.

When would you imagine the person responsible for hiding the body would have had such an opportunity in the immediate aftermath of the disappearance?  Or are we talking many days later, in your view...?  Perhaps if the hider of the body was not the subject of intense police and media scrutiny in the following weeks you could well be right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2014, 05:00:04 PM
My apologies, sometimes sarcasm doesn't come over within threads. I see where you are coming from.

That's what she said.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 03, 2014, 05:30:37 PM
... final site may have been selected during daylight ...
Yes, that makes sense.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2014, 05:43:49 PM
i think mcann supporters need to start facing the reality that most likley they are looking  for maddies remains   they wouldnt be looking in   places that they are if they believe she isnt there  imo

What an odd comment to make. 

I think most concerned people are only too well aware of the possibility that Madeleine may be dead. 

IMO that is not a barrier to hoping that is not the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2014, 05:58:11 PM
What an odd comment to make. 

I think most concerned people are only too well aware of the possibility that Madeleine may be dead. 

IMO that is not a barrier to hoping that is not the case.


Madeleine is either dead or alive.  Neither hope, nor prayer will make any difference what so ever  to that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2014, 07:30:29 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647004/Kate-Gerry-McCann-ready-significant-news-missing-Madeleine-British-police-prepare-dig-wasteland-Portugal.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 04, 2014, 12:25:02 AM
Isabel Duarte has spoken -

'Kate and Gerry have not been given any information that Madeleine is dead, and until this happens they have to believe she is still alive. But they think police will come up with some significant news. It has been so long, and the investigating officers now have new information and there may finally be some answers'
Isabel Duarte, McCanns' Portuguese lawyer


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647004/Kate-Gerry-McCann-ready-significant-news-missing-Madeleine-British-police-prepare-dig-wasteland-Portugal.html#ixzz33cb0Rk29
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 04, 2014, 12:31:35 AM
Good article, lots of pics too.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2647004/Kate-Gerry-McCann-ready-significant-news-missing-Madeleine-British-police-prepare-dig-wasteland-Portugal.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 04, 2014, 01:30:11 AM
Madeleine McCann search: April Jones' gran tells of heartache Kate and Gerry McCann will be suffering
Jun 03, 2014 22:30 By Martin Fricker, Lucy Thornton, Luke Traynor
Linda Smith spoke after officers sent in the same cadaver dogs they used to hunt for the five-year-old, who was killed by cowardly thug Mark Bridger in October 2012

The same dogs they used to hunt for April are being used to find Madeleine

The gran of murdered schoolgirl April Jones has told of the ­heartache Kate and Gerry McCann will be suffering as police step up the search for their missing daughter.

Linda Smith spoke after officers sent in the same cadaver dogs they used to hunt for the five-year-old, who was killed by cowardly thug Mark Bridger in October 2012.

Spaniels Tito and Muzzy spent the day scouring scrubland close to where Madeleine vanished in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in 2007.

Police were also seen digging at the site. Linda, 63, said: “I feel for the McCanns. I’m sure they are going through agony.

"In a way, they won’t want Madeleine to be found , but if they do, at least they will have some closure.

“The dogs were out a lot looking for April. They were very useful.

“It was a comfort to see the huge teams looking for our ­granddaughter and the skills at their disposal. I’m sure Maddie’s parents want to know what happened to their little girl.”

April’s body has never been never found since she went missing in ­Machynlleth, Powys, where the family lived .

Bridger, 47, is serving a whole-life life tariff for her abduction, murder and perverting the course of justice.

Kerry Needham, whose son Ben vanished on the island of Kos in 1991, also gave support to Kate, 46, and 45-year-old Gerry.

In October 2012 she had to endure the agony of watching specialist British police dig up farmland where the 21-month-old was last seen.


Kerry, 42, said: “It is the most horrific thought and feeling that any parent can go through , knowing that police are going to be digging up ground and there is a chance your child could be buried there, it’s horrendous.

“I was 99% sure they would not find Ben. But there was always that 1% chance they could and that’s very hard to cope with.

"There are some similarities between Ben’s case and Madeleine’s. My thoughts are with her parents.”

The dogs and their handlers – regarded as the most highly-skilled team in the UK – were joined by Britain’s leading search expert, from Sussex Police, who is helping coordinate the ­unprecedented police operation on Portuguese soil.

Tito and Muzzy both have a powerful sense of smell that helps them locate human remains, blood and fluid a human would be unable to trace.

The dogs, who always work as a pair, have been known to find bodies 20 years after they vanished and can even detect people underwater.

They are taught from the age of 18 months using pig carcasses, which are the closest to humans.

Handler Sally Richards said recently: “They are trained to find anything from tiny specks of blood which are hard for the human eye to see to a full-sized victim, and everything in between.”

The dog search came on the second day of the UK police ­operation in Praia da Luz to look for clues as to what happened to Madeleine.

She was three when she disappeared as her parents, of Rothley, Leics, dined out in a nearby tapas bar with friends.

Forensic archaeologists and anthropologists also worked ­alongside the British teams from Operation Grange – set up in 2011 by the Met to re-investigate the case – on the patch of scrubland.

It is 300 yards from the holiday apartment where the McCanns were staying.

PAMark BridgerJailed: Mark Bridger 
The area is known locally as The Mound and is a hangout for alcoholics and drug users.

Two Met officers used shovels to lift ­corrugated iron covering a hole on the site.

They then removed piles of dirt from the hole and surrounding area, which had earlier been cleared of undergrowth.

Earth was placed in a bucket and carried off.

The Sussex Police expert, who has not been named, was spotted advising Scotland Yard officers as they carried out fingertip searches in undergrowth and on rubbish-strewn barren areas nearby.

Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, who is overseeing the ­operation, stood watching pensively.

The archaeologists and anthropologists, from the firm Alecto Forensics in Preston, Lancs, took soil samples from a taped off area and mapped the terrain.

According to the company’s website, forensic archaeology and anthropology are “essential ­components in an investigation that involves clandestine burials”.

Roland Leon / Daily MirrorUK police dog unit Search area of hilltop in Praia da Luz, Portugal, which has been sealed off by police who are about to start digging as they hunt for missing Madeleine.pic of tent they have put up.Hunt: Dogs search a hilltop area in Praia da Luz 
Its experts have previously helped ­identify victims of the 9/11 terror attacks in New York and the 7/7 London bombings.

Four workers used chainsaws and strimmers to cut back swathes of undergrowth to clear the way for ­the search, which ended at 6pm.

Local police officers on horseback patrolled the site and Portuguese detectives filmed the entire operation.

Sources said last night the hunt could be extended to two more sites in Praia da Luz before the end of the week.

The Scotland Yard team have approval from officials in Lisbon to conduct searches until the end of the week.

The time frame of the operation is unlikely to be extended.

British police have made numerous trips to Portugal but this week is the first time they have actively carried out searches.

It is the biggest operation linked to Madeleine’s disappearance since the initial search wound down a month after she went missing.

The UK team is investigating a string of sex attacks by a lone male paedophile on young British girls while they were on holiday in the Algarve.

They are looking at nine assaults and three “near misses” on youngsters aged six to 12 between 2004 and 2006, including one in 2005 on a 10-year-old girl at Praia da Luz.

Hundreds of people have already made contact with officers in response to appeals for help to find the vile pervert.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-search-april-jones-3642420#ixzz33crDyGMY
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 04, 2014, 02:41:33 PM
Please post all comments relating to the current ground inspections and digs in Praia da Luz on the new thread. TY

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4364.msg157284#msg157284
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2014, 02:11:12 PM
Tell that to a missing child's family who in my opinion will always hold on to hope.

Of course they will. What I'm saying is it won't make any difference to whether she is alive or dead.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2014, 02:58:11 PM
Of course it will, im not understanding you way of thinking, there is a huge difference between alive and dead.

How will hope change anything?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 05, 2014, 04:55:45 PM
 
Statement by Kate and Gerry McCann
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign

Official Find Madeleine Campaign

We would like to ask people to refrain from spreading rumours and speculation based on inaccurate press reporting. We are kept updated on the on-going work in Portugal and are encouraged by the progress.

Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home.

Gerry and Kate
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 05, 2014, 08:49:19 PM

Statement by Kate and Gerry McCann
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign

Official Find Madeleine Campaign

We would like to ask people to refrain from spreading rumours and speculation based on inaccurate press reporting. We are kept updated on the on-going work in Portugal and are encouraged by the progress.

Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home.

Gerry and Kate

They want US to refrain from rumours and inaccurate speculation?

Really?

These people who have smeared and maligned every professional who has ever attempted to find their daughter?

Priceless.

I and many others will discuss whatever we want thank you Kate and Gerry.

OH and perhaps you could advise what "efforts" you are currently making to find Madeleine?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 05, 2014, 09:30:44 PM
The Mirror would have us believe SY have unearthed clothing of some sort.

Local reports said “non-organic” items had been discovered close to the pit on Wednesday and is being subjected to forensic tests.

A source said: “It could be days before the significance of the items is known.

"Several are being analysed by the British team.”




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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2014, 09:34:52 PM
I'm sure they'll find this sort of stuff. Linking it to Madeleine might be difficult.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 05, 2014, 09:38:58 PM
I'm sure they'll find this sort of stuff. Linking it to Madeleine might be difficult.

Maybe, maybe not.

If "whatever" has been down a hole in the ground, that means it's been covered, untouched, for as long as it's been there.

Actually it could well be prime preservation conditions, dry and sheltered.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 05, 2014, 09:45:58 PM
Police searching drains in Praia da Luz

Police searching an area of scrubland in Praia da Luz have begun looking inside drains for any clues about her disappearance.

(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/5/314290/default/v2/cegrab-20140605-133137-295-1-522x293.jpg)

At least three manhole covers were pulled up and mini cameras dropped into underground pipes, on the fourth day of the search by officers from Britain.

Sniffer dogs started hunting for evidence at first light, scouring areas within the police cordon that had not previously been explored.

Officers have also been using ground-penetrating radar to discover whether anything may be buried there.

(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/5/314289/default/v2/cegrab-20140605-133236-295-1-522x293.jpg)

The large search zone in the Portuguese resort lies on unused land, five minutes' walk from the holiday complex where the McCanns were staying in May 2007.

Officers had planned to search the area only until Friday but have asked authorities in Portugal for an extra week.

Tents have been put up at several locations, including one above a hole concealed by corrugated iron which was exposed on Tuesday when trees and shrubs were cut down.

Forensics officers dressed in white overalls were seen coming and going from the tents, pushing wheelbarrows around the site and using large sieves to sift through soil for clues.

Evidence bags were carried away as Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who is leading the investigation, looked on.

www.news.sky.com/story/1275873/mccanns-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 05, 2014, 11:49:27 PM
McCanns 'Encouraged' By New Madeleine Search
As sniffer dogs and forensics teams continue to hunt for clues in Praia da Luz, Madeleine's parents thank supporters.
8:02pm UK, Thursday 05 June 2014

By Tom Parmenter, Sky News Correspondent, in Praia da Luz
Kate and Gerry McCann say they are "encouraged by the progress" being made by search teams in Portugal close to where their daughter Madeleine went missing.

Writing on their Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page, the couple said: "We are kept updated on the ongoing work in Portugal and are encouraged by the progress.

"Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home."
http://news.sky.com/story/1275873/mccanns-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on June 05, 2014, 11:56:53 PM
McCanns 'Encouraged' By New Madeleine Search
As sniffer dogs and forensics teams continue to hunt for clues in Praia da Luz, Madeleine's parents thank supporters.
8:02pm UK, Thursday 05 June 2014

By Tom Parmenter, Sky News Correspondent, in Praia da Luz
Kate and Gerry McCann say they are "encouraged by the progress" being made by search teams in Portugal close to where their daughter Madeleine went missing.

Writing on their Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page, the couple said: "We are kept updated on the ongoing work in Portugal and are encouraged by the progress.

"Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home."
http://news.sky.com/story/1275873/mccanns-encouraged-by-new-madeleine-search

Encouraged by the progress ?

Are they really that desperate to be seen to be ' in the loop' that they felt they had to release a statement of such breathtaking callousness ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on June 06, 2014, 12:29:29 AM
Encouraged by the progress ?

Are they really that desperate to be seen to be ' in the loop' that they felt they had to release a statement of such breathtaking callousness ?
Whats callous about tghat Faith?

I cant see anything callous at all.  Sorry
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 06, 2014, 01:51:52 AM
Mr Amaral is on Correio Da Manha front page
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 06, 2014, 01:58:09 AM
Correio Da Manha front page -  rough translation -
"Gonçalo Amaral demolishes English investigation"


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on June 06, 2014, 02:01:09 AM
Calls plot 'kidnappers' Maddie British say Assassins of Maddie McCann and Portuguese are involved in drug trafficking.

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This is all I can get up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 06, 2014, 09:37:42 AM
Encouraged by the progress ?

Are they really that desperate to be seen to be ' in the loop' that they felt they had to release a statement of such breathtaking callousness ?
Breathtaking callousness?  If you want to see some of that I suggest you take a look at the messages of "support" from the doubter community on this subject. 
How you see callousness in the words of the McCanns is quite beyond me.  Perhaps your judgment has been somewhat coloured by your antipathy towards the parents? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 06, 2014, 04:26:15 PM
Madeleine McCann latest: Met police to speak to eight potential suspects

Three convicted drug dealers are among the eight potential suspects to be spoken to by Scotland Yard detectives


By Fiona Govan, Praia da Luz2:29PM BST 06 Jun 2014

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been given permission to interview eight possible suspects in Portugal.
Scotland Yard detectives will question the “persons of interest” they have identified during a review of the seven-year-old case.

The men wanted for questioning include three convicted drug dealers who are thought to have been involved in burglaries in the area around Praia da Luz in the days leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Officers from Operation Grange sent a letter of request to Portuguese authorities earlier this year after identifying them from mobile phone records which showed the three men had made numerous calls to each other in the hours after the girl went missing on May 3, 2007.

Others on the list of possible suspects are thought to include former workers at the Ocean Club resort.



Portuguese judicial authorities had previously blocked requests to search the homes of possible suspects and examine their bank accounts but on Friday Portuguese national broadcaster RTP reported that the go ahead had now been given for those interviews to be conducted.

One theory being explored by British police is that Madeleine was taken from the holiday flat after waking during a burglary and that the panicked perpetrators then disposed of her body.
Local sources said the possible suspects would not be questioned until detailed ground searches on three areas of scrubland around the resort of Praia da Luz have been completed.
British police teams joined their Portuguese counterparts to begin the search of one scrubland area within the resort on Monday.
They have requested another seven days to complete their ground searches and are expected to extend their investigations to two other wasteland areas within the resort next week.
Scotland Yard refused to confirm or deny the next phase of investigations. “We will not provide a running commentary on the progress of an investigation.”
Yesterday, Kate and Gerry McCann said they were ''encouraged'' by the progress made by police as they search scrubland.
Writing on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page, they thanked their followers for the support they have received as the methodical probe of land.
''We are being kept updated on the ongoing work in Portugal and are encouraged by the progress,'' the message said.
''Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home.''
It was signed off ''Gerry and Kate''. The McCanns, from Rothley in Leicestershire, have not travelled to Portugal where their daughter went missing in May 2007, aged three.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10881339/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Met-police-to-speak-to-eight-potential-suspects.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on June 06, 2014, 04:28:09 PM
Madeleine McCann latest: Met police to speak to eight potential suspects

Three convicted drug dealers are among the eight potential suspects to be spoken to by Scotland Yard detectives
Scotland Yard detectives work with sniffer dogs during the search for Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz
Scotland Yard detectives work with sniffer dogs during the search for Madeleine McCann in Praia da Luz Photo: Rafael Marchante/Reuters

By Fiona Govan, Praia da Luz2:29PM BST 06 Jun 2014

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have been given permission to interview eight possible suspects in Portugal.
Scotland Yard detectives will question the “persons of interest” they have identified during a review of the seven-year-old case.

The men wanted for questioning include three convicted drug dealers who are thought to have been involved in burglaries in the area around Praia da Luz in the days leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance.

Officers from Operation Grange sent a letter of request to Portuguese authorities earlier this year after identifying them from mobile phone records which showed the three men had made numerous calls to each other in the hours after the girl went missing on May 3, 2007.

Others on the list of possible suspects are thought to include former workers at the Ocean Club resort.
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Portuguese judicial authorities had previously blocked requests to search the homes of possible suspects and examine their bank accounts but on Friday Portuguese national broadcaster RTP reported that the go ahead had now been given for those interviews to be conducted.

One theory being explored by British police is that Madeleine was taken from the holiday flat after waking during a burglary and that the panicked perpetrators then disposed of her body.
Local sources said the possible suspects would not be questioned until detailed ground searches on three areas of scrubland around the resort of Praia da Luz have been completed.
British police teams joined their Portuguese counterparts to begin the search of one scrubland area within the resort on Monday.
They have requested another seven days to complete their ground searches and are expected to extend their investigations to two other wasteland areas within the resort next week.
Scotland Yard refused to confirm or deny the next phase of investigations. “We will not provide a running commentary on the progress of an investigation.”
Yesterday, Kate and Gerry McCann said they were ''encouraged'' by the progress made by police as they search scrubland.
Writing on the Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page, they thanked their followers for the support they have received as the methodical probe of land.
''We are being kept updated on the ongoing work in Portugal and are encouraged by the progress,'' the message said.
''Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home.''
It was signed off ''Gerry and Kate''. The McCanns, from Rothley in Leicestershire, have not travelled to Portugal where their daughter went missing in May 2007, aged three.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10881339/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Met-police-to-speak-to-eight-potential-suspects.html

Seems the Met's theories were substantial enough to convince Portuguese authorities to give them the go ahead. Jolly good.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2014, 04:35:42 PM

'One theory being explored by British police is that Madeleine was taken from the holiday flat after waking during a burglary and that the panicked perpetrators then disposed of her body.'

Oh I see, back to the burglars.

I thought it was the binman what dunnit?  Must be their other theory.

I wonder how many theories they have?

None that involve Kate & Gerry obviously.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on June 06, 2014, 04:42:21 PM
'One theory being explored by British police is that Madeleine was taken from the holiday flat after waking during a burglary and that the panicked perpetrators then disposed of her body.'

Oh I see, back to the burglars.

I thought it was the binman what dunnit?  Must be their other theory.

I wonder how many theories they have?

None that involve Kate & Gerry obviously.

Their remit was to investigate as though the crime had happened in the UK. It would therefore have been procedure to look at the parents first, before doing anything else. They would have ruled the parents out before moving on to test other possibilities.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2014, 04:52:43 PM
Their remit was to investigate as though the crime had happened in the UK. It would therefore have been procedure to look at the parents first, before doing anything else. They would have ruled the parents out before moving on to test other possibilities.

Yes absolutely.

Kate, Gerry & all their tapas friends have been re interviewed & have cooperated fully with SY.

I bet they answered all questions put to them n'all, well over 48 for Kate, I imagine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2014, 05:08:47 PM


Madeleine McCann prime suspects to be quizzed by British search police in Portugal

Lisbon judges grant permission to interview eight people of interest, including three convicted drug dealers, it is claimed

Scotland Yard detectives searching for Madeleine McCann have been given the go-ahead to quiz their prime suspects.
 
Officers from Operation Grange identified eight people earlier this year who they believe could help solve the seven-year-old case.
 
Now judicial authorities in Lisbon are said to have granted permission for Metropolitan Police detectives to question the men.
 
They include three suspected burglars who live close to the wasteland in Praia da Luz currently being searched by British teams.
 
The men, convicted drug dealers, were traced from phone records which placed them in the area at the time Madeleine vanished.
 
Scotland Yard refused to comment on the development, saying it does not provide a “running commentary” on the case.
 
But it is understood no questioning will take place until after the current searches have concluded.

Met detectives believe Madeleine was snatched by a panicked gang who accidentally woke her in the family’s apartment and took her with them.
 
Mobile phone analysis shows the men made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours after she disappeared in May 2007.
 
It is understood three of the other five suspects worked at the Ocean Club complex where Madeleine was staying with her parents Kate and Gerry.
 
The news comes after it was revealed officers are carrying out DNA tests on scraps of clothing found on their search of the site.
 
When news of the breakthrough emerged earlier this year a source close to Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry said: “It could be a major breakthrough.
 
“Kate and Gerry are buoyed up by this latest development. While they don’t want to build up their hopes too high they are feeling optimistic.
 
“They felt it was only a matter of time before new clues came to light.”

Officers believe the burglars, who have not be identified, had carried out a raid in the resort days before Madeleine vanished, disturbing another child.
 
That youngster’s parents were outside and rushed in to find the intruders had fled, but Portuguese police attached no significance to the break-in.
 
The Met is thought to have made checks into the men’s criminal history, their friends and any vehicles they have used.
 
In an interview earlier this year, Britain’s most senior police officer suggested his officers were closing in on the people who abducted Madeleine.
 
Scotland Yard boss Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe admitted his Operation Grange team had the names of several suspects.

According to respected Portuguese broadcaster RTP, the suspects will not be quizzed until the current searches in the Algarve resort have finished.
 
UK sniffer dogs which helped in the hunt for tragic youngster April Jones were again seen scouring wasteland in the popular resort on Friday.
 
Met police officers also continued to check an old sewer system underneath the cordoned-off area - which is 300 metres from the Ocean Club.
 
They were said to be looking for objects that may have been abandoned soon after the youngster disappeared.
 
Uniformed cops also focused their attention on a new patch of scrubland inside the same cordon, which is guarded by their Portuguese counterparts.
 
Officers were seen studying a flat area of ground at the opposite end of the area which has seen activity over the past five days.
 
Madeleine’s parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, are being kept informed throughout the work and said they are bracing themselves for “significant news”.
 
The youngster was nearly four-years-old when she vanished from her parents’ holiday apartment while they dined with friends in a nearby tapas restaurant.
 
The Portuguese police case - which was criticised after the McCanns were named formal suspects - was shelved the following year.
 
Operation Grange was set up in 2011 to investigate the disappearance after David Cameron ordered Scotland Yard to review all the evidence in the case.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-prime-suspects-quizzed-3654136
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 06, 2014, 05:12:11 PM

'They include three suspected burglars who live close to the wasteland in Praia da Luz currently being searched by British teams.'
 
'The men, convicted drug dealers, were traced from phone records which placed them in the area at the time Madeleine vanished.'

'Scotland Yard refused to comment on the development, saying it does not provide a “running commentary” on the case.'
 
'But it is understood no questioning will take place until after the current searches have concluded.'



Kind of 'em to let the burglars know they are onto 'em ain't it.

Give 'em time to skip the country n'all that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Silkywhiskers on June 06, 2014, 08:17:00 PM
It was only a month or so ago they had Euclides in the frame.

Now it's 3 burglars/drug dealers.

No questioning has taken place hey?


Could that be because all other suspects have been ruled out as the evidence indicates NO ABDUCTION?

I have NEVER heard of a police investigation where the suspects are warned, warned, and warned again via media, that SY are coming to get them.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 06, 2014, 08:27:12 PM
It was only a month or so ago they had Euclides in the frame.

Now it's 3 burglars/drug dealers.

No questioning has taken place hey?


Could that be because all other suspects have been ruled out as the evidence indicates NO ABDUCTION?

I have NEVER heard of a police investigation where the suspects are warned, warned, and warned again via media, that SY are coming to get them.

It's not the police who are saying this though, it's all down to the media. SY are declining to comment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 07, 2014, 09:04:44 AM

Madeleine McCann: Police to question eight prime suspects

BRITISH police have been given the green light to quiz their prime suspects in the Madeleine McCann case.

Scotland Yard want to question eight men over the three-year-old’s disappearance in Portugal in 2007.

Local legal chiefs have now given officers the go-ahead to speak to the suspects, according to Portugal’s state broadcaster RTP.

It is believed that three are suspected burglars who live close to the wasteland currently being searched at the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

Another three are thought to be workers from the Ocean Club holiday complex where Madeleine and her doctor parents, Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics, were staying.

Scotland Yard identified the suspects after trawling through thousands of phone records.

Detectives believe Madeleine was taken by burglars who panicked after accidentally waking her at the family’s holiday apartment and decided to take her with them.

Analysis of phone company data revealed the trio made an unusually high number of calls to each other in the hours after she disappeared.

Meanwhile the 12-strong British police team searching a four-acre patch of waste ground near the McCanns’ holiday apartment are expected to move to two new sites next week.

The officers are being helped by UK-based private forensic archaeologists and anthropologists.

The search has been hampered by the discovery of animal bones.

Fibre optic cameras have been used to check sewerage pipes under the soil.

The cold-case review called Operation Grange, set up in 2011 after Prime Minister David Cameron intervened, has so far cost an estimated £6million.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/382642/Burglary-gang-linked-to-McCanns-holiday-resort
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 07, 2014, 12:23:38 PM
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=743386&tm=8&layout=122&visual=61
some translation in here
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/dogs-geo-radar-and-probes-used-to.html

This bit is interesting:-
The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal.


Could be a translation, thing, but interesting that  the PJ are saying "who may have taken Madeleine was a foreigner", rather than  " who took Madeleine may have been a foreigner"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 07, 2014, 01:01:17 PM
http://www.rtp.pt/noticias/index.php?article=743386&tm=8&layout=122&visual=61
some translation in here
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/dogs-geo-radar-and-probes-used-to.html

This bit is interesting:-
The PJ, meanwhile, has discarded Euclides Monteiro as primary suspect, and believes now, that the man who may have taken Madeleine, was a foreigner that has committed an isolated crime, at a time when he was spending his holidays in Portugal.


so now the pj are saying the parents are not involved
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 07, 2014, 04:38:10 PM
Scotland Yard also ensures that there is a British witness who saw one of the men carrying a child in his Scotland Yard also ensures that there is a British witness who saw one of the men carrying a child in his arms up to the wasteland, situated less than 500 meters from the resort. The British say that he fled, but before he was able to bury the girl's cadaver. up to the wasteland, situated less than 500 meters from the resort. The British say that he fled, but before he was able to bury the girl's cadaver.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/exclusivo-cm/telefonemas-tramam-raptores-de-maddie

Link as promised
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/phone-calls-frame-maddie-kidnappers.html

Thanks for that link pegasus, it would appears Correio da Manha is on top of it as suspected.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on June 07, 2014, 05:00:46 PM
Thanks for that link pegasus, it would appears Correio da Manha is on top of it as suspected.

So, the UK media were asked for restraint, yet CdaM is free to publish what would certainly appear to be a PT "leak" giving a fairly obvious indication of who the police are about to interview?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 07, 2014, 06:25:54 PM
So, the UK media were asked for restraint, yet CdaM is free to publish what would certainly appear to be a PT "leak" giving a fairly obvious indication of who the police are about to interview?
Is the portuguese judge's warrant, authorising the search of the "mound" area (and which presumably mentions the UK female witness's testimony as one of the justifications), available publically to journalists who apply to see it, or is it withheld from view, anyone know??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 08, 2014, 12:09:04 AM
Correio Da Manha says that on Wed and Thu police will search two new areas, both of which are outside the town.

"Na quarta e na quinta-feira as buscas deverão prosseguir em outros dois terrenos localizados no exterior do perímetro urbano da Praia da Luz"
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/policia-continua-a-inspecionar-terreno-ao-sexto-dia-de-buscas
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2014, 12:32:11 AM
Arrests likely soon in Madeleine case
June 08, 2014 - 2:03:33 am


London: Portuguese police sources have confirmed to the Observer that a number of suspects identified by Scotland Yard detectives will be arrested “in the very near future” over the disappearance seven years ago of Madeleine McCann.

Police confirmed that “several people” had been identified by the London Metropolitan police (Met), who have had officers and two sniffer dogs in the Algarve all week searching a large area of scrubland close to the holiday apartment where the McCann family were staying when the three-year-old disappeared in May 2007. The search of that particular area, Portuguese police source said, would end today and shift to another area.

It has been six months since the initial request by the Met for access to “three prime suspects” for questioning, although it is believed that as many as eight could be on the interview list. They would be the first significant arrests in the case. The three are thought to be burglars who may have carried out raids in the holiday resort and live locally, although the Portuguese would not say whether the men had criminal records.

The development comes after a cold-case review by British officers and involved the painstaking examination of hundreds of phone records from the area on the night the toddler vanished from her bed as her parents ate supper with friends at a nearby restaurant.

On Friday, officers in Met uniform were seen studying a flat area of ground at the opposite end of the area. They had previously focused on a hole covered in undergrowth. Forensics officers sifted through soil in large sieves inside a white tent set up to cover the void but nothing of interest has been found. The Guardian
http://thepeninsulaqatar.com/news/international/286909/arrests-likely-soon-in-madeleine-case?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2014, 12:35:20 AM
Madeleine McCann search digs up the [ censored word ]s and misguided conspiracy theorists
Jun 07, 2014 20:25
OPINION BY KAYBURLEY

There can’t be many parents around the world unaware of the plight of a beautiful little girl who was only three years old when she disappeared in 2007, writes Kay Burley in the Sunday People.

Immediately recognisable by her first name, Madeleine, the eldest of the McCann children disappeared one warm May evening in 2007 as her parents dined with friends in a restaurant at their resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Despite an Interpol search and worldwide publicity nothing has been seen of the little one since.

This week, seven years on, police from the Met have begun searching an area of scrubland near the apartment including a deep, concealed shaft and sewers.

Could this prove to be the final resting place?

Her parents, Kate and Gerry, who suffer every single day with the consequences of their actions that night have decided not to travel to Praia da Luz for this latest hunt for Madeleine.

Who can blame them?

Well, it would appear quite a few. I am absolutely staggered by the number of people on social media who think they know exactly what happened to little Madeleine.

Conspiracy theorists believe that it’s only a matter of time before the McCanns are held culpable for their daughter’s disappearance.

 
They point out Kate refused to answer some questions put her by the Portuguese police. Kate was with her lawyer when interviewed by the police.

She would have been advised what to say.

The [ censored word ]s refer to cadaver dogs who showed ‘beyond doubt’ that a body must have been kept in the wardrobe of the apartment and then later driven in the McCann’s hire car to be buried.

Under the noses of the Portuguese police and the world’s press?

Easy to dismiss such claims as Looney Tunes, but even a national newspaper was guilty of claiming the McCanns know more than they have told the police .

As a mother I am offended and appalled by such unfounded allegations.

Every morning the McCann’s must wake up only to be smothered by a blanket of guilt.

‘If only we’d done this…’

They have always held on to the hope that Madeleine will be found alive.

So as the search continues, please ignore the [ censored word ]s and think instead of two desperate parents hundreds of miles away sitting by the phone and hoping against hope that nothing is found this time.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-digs-up-3659944#ixzz3401lq49X
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2014, 12:42:02 AM
A very clear info!!!!!!!!!!!!

Madeleine McCann suspects to be questioned soon, Portuguese police say
Portuguese confirm 'several people' identified for questioning by Scotland Yard officers
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Tracy McVeigh and Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz
The Observer, Saturday 7 June 2014 20.54 BST


Portuguese police sources have confirmed to the Observer that a number of suspects identified by Scotland Yard detectives will be taken in for questioning "in the very near future" over the disappearance seven years ago of Madeleine McCann.

Police confirmed that "several people" had been identified by the Metropolitan police, who have had officers and two sniffer dogs in the Algarve all week searching a large area of scrubland close to the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz where the McCann family were staying when the three-year-old disappeared in May 2007. The search of that particular area, a Portuguese police source said, would end on 8 June and shift to another area.

It has been six months since the initial request by the Met for access to "three prime suspects" for questioning, although it is believed that as many as eight could be on the interview list. They would be the first significant arrests in the case. The three are thought to be burglars who may have carried out raids in the holiday resort and live locally, although the Portuguese would not say whether the men had criminal records.

The development comes after a cold-case review by British officers and involved the painstaking examination of hundreds of phone records from the area on the night the toddler vanished from her bed as her parents ate supper with friends at a nearby restaurant.

On Friday, officers in Met uniform were seen studying a flat area of ground at the opposite end of the area. They had previously focused on a hole covered in undergrowth. Forensics officers sifted through soil in large sieves inside a white tent set up to cover the void but nothing of interest has been found.

Portugal's attorney general's office said in January it had received an international letter of request in regard to "prime suspects" sent by British police investigating the disappearance. On Saturday the source said there was still no date set for questioning to take place but it definitely would not happen during the current search phase of the investigation, which they said would expand to new sites on Wednesday (11 June), culminating by "no later than next Friday".

Police also confirmed all the suspects still live in Portugal and that interviews would take place at either of the two Algarve police stations, Faro or Portimão, conducted by Portuguese detectives with their British counterparts allowed to sit in but not intervene.

Those police want to talk to will be immediately constituted as arguidos, a Portuguese term for someone who is a suspect, which garnered infamy when Madeline's parents, along with a British expatriate called Robert Murat, were given the status by Portuguese authorities. All three were cleared by a prosecutor in 2008.

The Praia de Luz mayor, Victor Mata, has said the timing of last week's search – which coincides with the resort's busiest holiday period and brought dozens of journalists back to the area – "couldn't be worse". He said local tourism was suffering and people were being "punished". Mata warned that if there were more searches in future, he would seek court action to stop them happening during peak summer period. "The people of Luz are not against the searches for Madeleine but seeing as it's been seven years, they would have appreciated it if they could have started in a few months' time."

Kate and Gerry McCann released a statement on their website saying they were "encouraged by the progress" being made by search teams in Portugal.

Writing on their Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page, the couple said: "We are kept updated on the ongoing work in Portugal," and added: "Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/07/madeleine-mccann-suspects-questioned-police
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2014, 12:47:29 AM
Those to be interviewed must be nerve-racking.. if they leave PT they will be considered more suspicious.. if they stay they know they will be arguidos.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 08, 2014, 12:49:23 AM
A very clear info!!!!!!!!!!!!

Madeleine McCann suspects to be questioned soon, Portuguese police say
Portuguese confirm 'several people' identified for questioning by Scotland Yard officers
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Tracy McVeigh and Brendan de Beer in Praia da Luz
The Observer, Saturday 7 June 2014 20.54 BST


Portuguese police sources have confirmed to the Observer that a number of suspects identified by Scotland Yard detectives will be taken in for questioning "in the very near future" over the disappearance seven years ago of Madeleine McCann.

Police confirmed that "several people" had been identified by the Metropolitan police, who have had officers and two sniffer dogs in the Algarve all week searching a large area of scrubland close to the holiday apartment in Praia da Luz where the McCann family were staying when the three-year-old disappeared in May 2007. The search of that particular area, a Portuguese police source said, would end on 8 June and shift to another area.

It has been six months since the initial request by the Met for access to "three prime suspects" for questioning, although it is believed that as many as eight could be on the interview list. They would be the first significant arrests in the case. The three are thought to be burglars who may have carried out raids in the holiday resort and live locally, although the Portuguese would not say whether the men had criminal records.

The development comes after a cold-case review by British officers and involved the painstaking examination of hundreds of phone records from the area on the night the toddler vanished from her bed as her parents ate supper with friends at a nearby restaurant.

On Friday, officers in Met uniform were seen studying a flat area of ground at the opposite end of the area. They had previously focused on a hole covered in undergrowth. Forensics officers sifted through soil in large sieves inside a white tent set up to cover the void but nothing of interest has been found.

Portugal's attorney general's office said in January it had received an international letter of request in regard to "prime suspects" sent by British police investigating the disappearance. On Saturday the source said there was still no date set for questioning to take place but it definitely would not happen during the current search phase of the investigation, which they said would expand to new sites on Wednesday (11 June), culminating by "no later than next Friday".

Police also confirmed all the suspects still live in Portugal and that interviews would take place at either of the two Algarve police stations, Faro or Portimão, conducted by Portuguese detectives with their British counterparts allowed to sit in but not intervene.

Those police want to talk to will be immediately constituted as arguidos, a Portuguese term for someone who is a suspect, which garnered infamy when Madeline's parents, along with a British expatriate called Robert Murat, were given the status by Portuguese authorities. All three were cleared by a prosecutor in 2008.

The Praia de Luz mayor, Victor Mata, has said the timing of last week's search – which coincides with the resort's busiest holiday period and brought dozens of journalists back to the area – "couldn't be worse". He said local tourism was suffering and people were being "punished". Mata warned that if there were more searches in future, he would seek court action to stop them happening during peak summer period. "The people of Luz are not against the searches for Madeleine but seeing as it's been seven years, they would have appreciated it if they could have started in a few months' time."

Kate and Gerry McCann released a statement on their website saying they were "encouraged by the progress" being made by search teams in Portugal.

Writing on their Official Find Madeleine Campaign Facebook page, the couple said: "We are kept updated on the ongoing work in Portugal," and added: "Thank you for continuing to stand by us and supporting our efforts to get Madeleine home."

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/07/madeleine-mccann-suspects-questioned-police
Hmm....this one may give the doubters pause for thought.  But only for a second or two until they find a way to put a positive (for them) spin on it...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on June 08, 2014, 01:03:31 AM
That actually made me laugh out loud.  Dream on my deluded doubter.

So that will be a no then, will it ?

According to the BBC Smithman is very firmly in the frame again because his phone was used near the McCann's apartment around the time of Madeleine's disappearance. Now with so much rumour and innuendo doing the rounds at the moment this could be a load of old nonsense but maybe..........!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 08, 2014, 01:10:57 AM
So that will be a no then, will it ?

According to the BBC Smithman is very firmly in the frame again because his phone was used near the McCann's apartment around the time of Madeleine's disappearance. Now with so much rumour and innuendo doing the rounds at the moment this could be a load of old nonsense but maybe..........!

According to the BBC SY has requested to question 3 suspects and the request has been granted in a way that PJ will queston them and the SY would sit in. PT has added few more suspects to this list.. According to the Guardian all live in Portugal..
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27745593?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 08, 2014, 01:24:24 AM
Madeleine McCann: New search site linked to suspect

11:07 AM Sunday Jun 8, 2014

The search for Madeleine McCann is to move to scrubland around a water treatment plant where a prime suspect may have worked.

Portuguese police sources have revealed that British officers are due to start scouring the area near the resort of Praia da Luz on Wednesday.

A fingertip search of wasteland in the centre of Praia da Luz is due to be completed today.

Then they will turn their focus to two areas by a small water treatment sub-station, a derelict farmhouse and an abandoned well.

Heroin addict Euclides Monteiro was working at a water and sewage plant in Lagos, four miles from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz where Madeleine was staying with her parents, Gerry and Kate.

Ex-colleagues of Monteiro, who was born in Cape Verde, have suggested that his duties included visiting other treatment plants in the area.

Monteiro used to work as a waiter at the Ocean Club but was sacked for stealing tips a year before Madeleine, then three, vanished in May 2007 - amid fears she had been abducted in a botched break-in by a thief looking for cash. He was signed off sick several days before she disappeared and did not return to work for two months.

Suspicions about him were heightened after analysis of his mobile phone data placed him near the apartment when Madeleine vanished.

Monteiro, who had served a jail term for burglary, died in a tractor accident, aged 40, in 2009. His widow Luisa has insisted he had nothing to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

The two new areas reportedly due to be searched are on a back road, half a mile from the Ocean Club. One is a ten-acre area of thick undergrowth.

It is believed that the sites were identified by British officers before they flew out to Portugal.

A Scotland Yard spokesman said: yesterday: 'We will not provide a running commentary on the progress of an investigation.'

- Mail on Sunday

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11269974
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 08, 2014, 01:28:33 AM
Thanks. And from TVI in portugal -
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddie-case-searches-to-continue-on-two.html
Includes video of the two new areas, on the road from Luz to the N125
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Martina on June 08, 2014, 01:30:34 AM
http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/policia-inglesa-devera-interrogar-oito-suspeitos-no-caso-maddie-1639150#/0 (http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/policia-inglesa-devera-interrogar-oito-suspeitos-no-caso-maddie-1639150#/0)

A polícia britânica identificou um conjunto de suspeitos no caso do desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann que quer que sejam interrogados, embora tal nunca deverá acontecer antes de terminarem as buscas que decorrem actualmente na Praia da Luz, no Algarve.

Now, my portuguese is not that good but I can understand that the above excerpt says SY indeed has some suspects to be questioned, but it won't happen before the end of the current searches in Luz.

A informação foi confirmada ao PÚBLICO por fonte da Polícia Judiciária (PJ), que negou, no entanto, que as autoridades se estejam a preparar para deter alguém em breve.

The info above was confirmed by the PJ, but they denied that the authorities were pereparing any arrests soon.

Ao PÚBLICO, a Judiciária não confirmou se as pessoas que a polícia tenciona interrogar serão traficantes, condenados ou não, ou sequer assaltantes.

The last sentence clearly states that the PJ did not confirm, that the people they plan to interrogate are drug dealers, convicts, or burglars.

I would be grateful if someone speaking portuguese could look at this article and correct my eventual mistakes.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 08, 2014, 01:53:40 AM
Found it, the location of the new searches.
At six seconds into the TVI video, there is a stone gatepost with the top missing, and a bent tree.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddie-case-searches-to-continue-on-two.html

Here is the same gatepost (at an earlier date before the top fell off) and the same bent tree.
https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=praia+da+luz&ll=37.096892,-8.719847&spn=0.000296,0.001234&channel=fs&oe=utf-8&gl=uk&hnear=Luz,+Portugal&t=h&z=20&layer=c&cbll=37.096893,-8.719847&panoid=OnS8ZOJ5tYKwTrMz1jFUjA&cbp=12,339.69,,0,-1.66
Just zoom out to see  location on map.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 08, 2014, 02:32:49 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-digs-up-3659944
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Madeleine McCann search digs up the [ censored word ]s and misguided conspiracy theorists

Quote
... The [ censored word ]s refer to cadaver dogs who showed ‘beyond doubt’ that a body must have been kept in the wardrobe of the apartment ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on June 08, 2014, 03:14:47 AM
Just along the road from the spot Pegasus has given us on the GoogleStreetView is La Valverde Hotel & Campsite.
Co-incidentally, Luis Antonio's assistant did a night-shift there on 3/4 May

1488 to 1492  Further information regarding Luisa Antonio with request for diligences repeats of 1485 to 1487
06-Processo Volume VI pages 1488 to 1492 [ Repeats of 1485 to 1487]
1214 to 1216 Witness testimony of Joao Crisostomo Vieira Olim Junior 2007.05.14
1217 Consent to search above witness car a Volkswagen Passat
1218 Search warrant to search Volkswagen Passat
05-Processo Vol V pages 1214 to 1218
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Witness testimony of Joao Crisostomo Vieira Olim Junior 2007.05.14
      
Snip
-- Relating to the events under investigation in this case re: the disappearance of British minor, Madeleine McCann, on 3 May 2007 from Ocean Club Garden - Praia da Luz - Lagos, the deponent stated he knows absolutely nothing about any incidents that might have possibly surrounded the occurrence.
--- He explains that on that date he was in Almadena in the morning doing his part-time work described above.
--- Having spent the morning cleaning and disinfecting several private pools in that area he stopped work at 12h00.
--- Then he will have gone to L.A.'s house to park the car there, then he will have walked home on foot to Rua da Estrema ... in Lagos, where he will have rested, as usual, given that he had a night shift from 24h00 to 08h00 as nightw..ch at the Valverde campsite.
--- Later, at 18h30, he would have prepared himself for a Jehovah's Witness meeting which he attended between 20h30 and 22h30.
--- He states that at a time he does recall exactly, but between 18h30 and 20h00, he will have eaten his dinner at home.
--- The above [prayer] meeting being over, he will have returned home where he changed into his uniform and left for the Valverde campsite where he would have been the entire early morning of 4 May fulfilling his job as nightw..ch.
--- Therefore, he reiterates knowing nothing about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, wishing to add that he found out about its proportions and the related incidents only the following day from what was said and written in the Press.
Nothing more said. Read, ratifies and will sign.



Always found it strange he never mentioned seeing Miss Walczuch at that meeting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 08, 2014, 04:25:57 AM
All this talk about imminent arrests is a load of journalistic contrived baloney.  None of these suspects or more properly 'persons of interest' will be arrested any more than Robert Murat or the McCanns were.  They will be questioned and if appropriate they will be granted arguido status pending further investigations.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2014, 10:53:33 AM
It certainly would seem that way.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on June 08, 2014, 12:35:05 PM
Madeleine McCann search digs up the [ censored word ]s and misguided conspiracy theorists
Jun 07, 2014 20:25
OPINION BY KAYBURLEY

There can’t be many parents around the world unaware of the plight of a beautiful little girl who was only three years old when she disappeared in 2007, writes Kay Burley in the Sunday People.

Immediately recognisable by her first name, Madeleine, the eldest of the McCann children disappeared one warm May evening in 2007 as her parents dined with friends in a restaurant at their resort in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Despite an Interpol search and worldwide publicity nothing has been seen of the little one since.

This week, seven years on, police from the Met have begun searching an area of scrubland near the apartment including a deep, concealed shaft and sewers.

Could this prove to be the final resting place?

Her parents, Kate and Gerry, who suffer every single day with the consequences of their actions that night have decided not to travel to Praia da Luz for this latest hunt for Madeleine.

Who can blame them?

Well, it would appear quite a few. I am absolutely staggered by the number of people on social media who think they know exactly what happened to little Madeleine.

Conspiracy theorists believe that it’s only a matter of time before the McCanns are held culpable for their daughter’s disappearance.

 
They point out Kate refused to answer some questions put her by the Portuguese police. Kate was with her lawyer when interviewed by the police.

She would have been advised what to say.

The [ censored word ]s refer to cadaver dogs who showed ‘beyond doubt’ that a body must have been kept in the wardrobe of the apartment and then later driven in the McCann’s hire car to be buried.

Under the noses of the Portuguese police and the world’s press?

Easy to dismiss such claims as Looney Tunes, but even a national newspaper was guilty of claiming the McCanns know more than they have told the police .

As a mother I am offended and appalled by such unfounded allegations.

Every morning the McCann’s must wake up only to be smothered by a blanket of guilt.

‘If only we’d done this…’

They have always held on to the hope that Madeleine will be found alive.

So as the search continues, please ignore the [ censored word ]s and think instead of two desperate parents hundreds of miles away sitting by the phone and hoping against hope that nothing is found this time.



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-search-digs-up-3659944#ixzz3401lq49X

Very well said, Kay. Don't often have time for her, but it needed saying and I respect her for it.  8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 08, 2014, 01:10:52 PM
Oh I see. So it's only the view which supports the McCann's which is important? We can just sweep Mrs Tractorman's misfortune under the carpet......she's fair game.....the McCann's are off limits.
You're getting hysterical. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 08, 2014, 05:36:21 PM
Very well said, Kay. Don't often have time for her, but it needed saying and I respect her for it.  8@??)(

IMO it is a more than balanced article, for it very fairly presents an opposing point of view:

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[ censored word ]s refer to cadaver dogs who showed ‘beyond doubt’ that a body must have been kept in the wardrobe of the apartment
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 08, 2014, 05:38:59 PM
IMO it is a more than balanced article, for it very fairly presents an opposing point of view:

Very cleverly written, IMO.  Are we sure Kate is capable of writing such stuff?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 08, 2014, 05:48:47 PM
From that newspaper article
Quote
Easy to dismiss such claims as Looney Tunes
I am impressed by this well-researched detailed and scientific refutation of cadaver scent detection by dogs.

(ETA:  hoping the U.S. don't run their new sarcasm-detection software on my post as it may overload it)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 08, 2014, 11:36:37 PM
Sun sets on week-long search for Madeleine McCann by British police

Locals come to terms with invasion of journalists and further disruption as detectives' investigation moves to new area.

(http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2014/6/8/1402254274546/British-policemen-searchi-011.jpg)

British police working in the cordoned-off area in Praia da Luz.
They uncovered a hidden shaft and what appeared to be a makeshift grave.


It began with British detectives on all fours scouring a hilly stretch of scrubland on the Algarve coast. But as the sun set on the first week of searches in Praia da Luz, the air of hopeful anticipation collapsed into acrimony as the parents of Madeleine McCann were forced yet again to plead for calm.

Police officers on Sunday night packed up and left a six-hectare (15-acre) site where they had focused their operations over the previous week. On Wednesday they will start again on two new areas near a campsite in the Portuguese village where Madeleine was last seen alive seven years ago.

Read more... (http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/08/police-search-praia-de-luz-portugal-madeleine-mccann)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 09, 2014, 12:07:55 AM
Gonçalo Amaral: "There was no assault in that house"

(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00459/138385573__459035c.jpg)

Gonçalo Amaral spoke of "fake and staged" referring to the current theory being pursued by the British police in the Maddie case.  Speaking on CMTV, the former Judiciary Police coordinator believes that the idea of ​​there being a "thief who was frightened by the child" is a scenario created solely for the media.

The former coordinator of the PJ justified his argument by stating that, "...there wasn't missing a TV, a camera or money. It is a ploy to make us forget what exists."



http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pt-BR&tl=en&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/lazer/cmtv/goncalo-amaral-nao-houve-nenhum-assalto-aquela-casa202425753&usg=ALkJrhgmW2hRjn4MhDmNQK35FpT-hKB0Nw

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 09, 2014, 12:10:48 AM
Gonçalo Amaral: "There was no assault in that house"

(http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/multimedia/archive/00459/138385573__459035c.jpg)

Gonçalo Amaral spoke of "fake and staged" referring to the current theory being pursued by the British police in the Maddie case.  Speaking on CMTV, the former Judiciary Police coordinator believes that the idea of ​​there being a "thief who was frightened by the child" is a scenario created solely for the media.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pt-BR&tl=en&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/lazer/cmtv/goncalo-amaral-nao-houve-nenhum-assalto-aquela-casa202425753&usg=ALkJrhgmW2hRjn4MhDmNQK35FpT-hKB0Nw



Amaral is correct. I wish he was back on the case. Now that would rattle a few cages  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 09, 2014, 12:14:35 AM
Maddie Case: return to 'hiding'

(http://i2.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article7212049.ece/alternates/s615/POLICE-Portugal-115109_625.jpg)

The British police again took up the picks to excavate an area near the hideout found earlier in the week. The hole, about three feet deep, had been the target of intense searching. It is there that believe that Maddie is or has been buried. Plastics and other buried objects led forensic experts to return to the site. The battalion of police and forensic experts started work early.

(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/skynews040614b.jpg)

(http://i3.liverpoolecho.co.uk/incoming/article7212101.ece/alternates/s615/POLICE-Portugal-173622_364.jpg)

The top commander of operations, Andy Redwood, was keen to take the land all his notes and documentation, at a time that is approaching the end of the first search phase. In a race against time, the British police again used probes to analyze the underground for quite area near the street April 25 and a few meters of various building blocks. Are being analyzed the latest areas where researchers believe they may have been moved and can hide some clues about Maddie. The sixth straight day of searching some fatigue was evident by the inspectors, while camcorders continue to monitor in detail the work.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pt-BR&tl=en&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/caso-maddie-regresso-ao-esconderijo&usg=ALkJrhj-szVaXQ7vsSry7f1BAe9JU8UnFA
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 09, 2014, 12:35:54 AM
(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/03/article-2647004-1E68712100000578-571_634x450.jpg)

The mount of land being searched is clearly see on the left of this picture and is a landmark in Praia da Luz. In the top right hand corner is the complex the McCanns stayed in in 2007





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2014, 12:38:37 AM
Amaral is correct. I wish he was back on the case. Now that would rattle a few cages  8)--))

Oh please! For what? To play Agatha Christie?
Policing is somehow different nowadays..

As for the 'a thief not taking anything of a value'.. which petty thief would look for valuables if he's just accidentally killed a child?

I say.. use your brain cells Mr Amaral..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Truth on June 09, 2014, 10:28:20 PM
there is nothing on the daily mail wesbite nothing at all about the search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Truth on June 10, 2014, 03:42:53 AM
the beeb has new info seems the "three suspects" have grown in number

The pause in proceedings came after Portuguese police announced "several suspects" were likely to be interviewed in the "very near future".

UK police had already asked authorities if they could speak to three "people of interest", the BBC understands. But Portuguese police sources now say more than three people will be interviewed by them in the coming weeks.

British officers will be allowed to sit in, but cannot intervene in proceedings, Portuguese officials have said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27759098

i think they are meaning the tapa 9 who else would they be ok about publishing
they dont need to tell us anything but theyve told us ova nad ova about these so called suspects who the papers have sat at home in Pdl unlikely imo
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2014, 07:25:39 AM
the beeb has new info seems the "three suspects" have grown in number

The pause in proceedings came after Portuguese police announced "several suspects" were likely to be interviewed in the "very near future".

UK police had already asked authorities if they could speak to three "people of interest", the BBC understands. But Portuguese police sources now say more than three people will be interviewed by them in the coming weeks.

British officers will be allowed to sit in, but cannot intervene in proceedings, Portuguese officials have said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27759098

i think they are meaning the tapa 9 who else would they be ok about publishing
they dont need to tell us anything but theyve told us ova nad ova about these so called suspects who the papers have sat at home in Pdl unlikely imo


they don't need permission to interview the tapas...they can do that in the uk
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on June 10, 2014, 07:04:31 PM
the beeb has new info seems the "three suspects" have grown in number

The pause in proceedings came after Portuguese police announced "several suspects" were likely to be interviewed in the "very near future".

UK police had already asked authorities if they could speak to three "people of interest", the BBC understands. But Portuguese police sources now say more than three people will be interviewed by them in the coming weeks.

British officers will be allowed to sit in, but cannot intervene in proceedings, Portuguese officials have said.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-27759098

i think they are meaning the tapa 9 who else would they be ok about publishing
they dont need to tell us anything but theyve told us ova nad ova about these so called suspects who the papers have sat at home in Pdl unlikely imo

That's not new info, old chum. And no, they don't mean the tapas group.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 10, 2014, 08:05:22 PM
That's not new info, old chum. And no, they don't mean the tapas group.

Agreed.  I would be amazed if they haven’t already re-interviewed key witnesses including the Drs McCann and the friends they holidayed with. 

They managed to find and eliminate Tannerman from the inquiry and have obviously gone through the files with a fine tooth comb to tie in existing evidence such as triangulating the phone signals.

Despite NSY and the PJ investigating leads which very obviously do not point to them ... why this desperation on the part of some that the Tapas group are somehow involved in the present inquiry?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 10, 2014, 08:14:03 PM
Agreed.  I would be amazed if they haven’t already re-interviewed key witnesses including the Drs McCann and the friends they holidayed with. 

They managed to find and eliminate Tannerman from the inquiry and have obviously gone through the files with a fine tooth comb to tie in existing evidence such as triangulating the phone signals.

Despite NSY and the PJ investigating leads which very obviously do not point to them ... why this desperation on the part of some that the Tapas group are somehow involved in the present inquiry?

because they are desperate
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 10, 2014, 08:27:09 PM
If they find that corroborating evidence that they're looking for everything will change.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on June 10, 2014, 11:03:14 PM

The pause in proceedings came after Portuguese police announced "several suspects" were likely to be interviewed in the "very near future".

UK police had already asked authorities if they could speak to three "people of interest", the BBC understands. But Portuguese police sources now say more than three people will be interviewed by them in the coming weeks.

British officers will be allowed to sit in, but cannot intervene in proceedings, Portuguese officials have said.

Does Redwood or any of his team understand fluent Portuguese because I don't see what possible benefit they would gain from sitting in on these interviews. It gets worse by the day imo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 10, 2014, 11:40:12 PM
i online

(Translated by Astro)

Scotland Yard. One week digging and not one clue of Maddie

by Sílvia Caneco
published 10 Jun 2014 - 05:00

There are two days of searches to go, but the PJ, that has granted the English police's requests, is convinced that "they will sweat and find nothing"

30 Scotland Yard men came - and, hired by them -, one magnetometre and a geo-radar, a probe to search the bottom of sewers and two sniffer dogs that have been trained to identify the scent of death. Inspectors from the Judiciária's Southern Directory joined them to observe, GNR officers to watch over the terrain and a team of forest sappers to clear the vegetation away. Digging was performed, samples were collected for analysis. After one week looking for traces in the sewer network and at a lookout point in Praia da Luz, approximately 800 metres away from the apartment where Madeleine McCann disappeared from, the British police only found bones of domestic animals. Not a sign of Maddie or of any clue that may help the investigators to follow her trail. "Nothing was found that is related to the case", a PJ source sums up. Another one sums the behaviour of the British up as "disoriented".

Within the Judiciária, the lack of results by the Metropolitan Police is seen without surprise. The Attorney General's Office grantes the requests that the English made by letter rogatory, but those who investigated the case in Portugal didn't give the requested diligences any chance of success. The feeling, as i could find out, was one of "They will sweat and find nothing".

Scotland Yard would have placed their hope in the six hectare terrain with a lookout point over the sea because it is close to the locations where three men live, associated with schemes of theft and drug trafficking, but have never been convicted. The PJ didn't believe that investigation line: on one hand, the terrain had already been thoroughly searched by inspectors and dog teams from the GNR in 2007, when "the whole of the Algarve searched for Maddie", a source recalls; on the other hand, because "traces of burial, even if they are not deep, do not disappear within half a dozen days", and therefore would have been identified at that time, the same source stresses.

The Portuguese investigators also don't give credibility to the sniffer dogs that were brought from England. A forensic expert explains to i that "seven years after death, a body that lies buried without protection is a collection of dismembered bones". Because a child's body is at stake, due to having "less calcium", it would be even "more easily degradable" because the bones "are much more fragile". Furthermore, the same source recalls, if the PJ doesn't use dogs in criminal investigation it's because "the procedure hasn't been validated in any country in the world yet". Another Judiciária source reinforces the thesis, saying that there is no known case where the dogs found a body.

The Metropolitan Police has another two days of searches ahead. This Wednesday and Thursday, the technological equipment moves onto another terrain on a road that gives access to Lagos. On the 14th, the British are expected to leave Portugal but a new diligence will be performed: questioning eight men that they consider to be suspects. As far as i could find out, all of the names had already made an appearance in the PJ's first inquiry, but none of them had the status of suspect.

Searching for Madeleine McCann

2007 Two days before her fourth birthday, Madeleine McCann disapppears from a tourist resort in Praia da Luz, on the night of the 3rd of May. She would have been sleeping with her twin siblings in the apartment while her parents dined with a group of friends at a resort restaurant, approximately 50 metres away.

2007 On the 31st of July, the PJ, members of the British police and two dogs that came from England and were trained to detect the smell of cadaver and blood, inspect the apartment. On the 7th of September, Kate and Gerry McCann were made arguidos.

2008 On the 28th of July, the Attorney General's Office announces the shelving of the case “because no evidence of the practice of any crime was found”.

2013 On the 24th of October, the Public Ministry announces the reopening of the inquiry into the disappearance of the English child, after the PJ team of Oporto - that never had any intervention in the case and was chosen to re-evaluate it - found new evidence. The Faro PJ cooperates with the British police, which was nominated to investigate the case after the intervention of David Cameron. On the 14th of October, Scotland Yard reveals e-fits of the suspect.

2014 Scotland Yard arrives in Portugal in early June. Spends a week searching the drains and a terrain that is located 800 metres away from the Ocean Club, but nothing is found.

www.ionline.pt/artigos/portugal/scotland-yard-uma-semana-escavar-nem-uma-pista-maddie
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2014, 10:03:33 AM
Watch for sky news for some graffiti of a Portuguese view of the UK police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 11, 2014, 10:24:33 AM
Watch for sky news for some graffiti of a Portuguese view of the UK police.

Oh they will surely lose sleep over this..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 10:49:59 AM
Oh they will surely lose sleep over this..
Desperate times, desperate measures.  Typical [ censored word ] behaviour though - resorting to red spray paint on white walls to get your hateful message across. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2014, 10:52:08 AM
So Portuguese residents of PDL are listed amongst the [ censored word ]s, too, are they ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 11:34:49 AM
So Portuguese residents of PDL are listed amongst the [ censored word ]s, too, are they ?
  I should think there are a few yes.  Anyone who takes the trouble to write "The parents killed Maddie" in two foot high letters with red spray paint on a white wall   in the town where she disappeared is hardly a model of calm, empathetic restraint, I'll wager...

(http://i.imgur.com/2ViwrpD.jpg?1)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2014, 11:36:43 AM
I guess they are just telling it how they see it.

Might have been more effective if they had provided a translation as well.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 11:42:12 AM
I guess they are just telling it how they see it.

Might have been more effective if they had provided a translation as well.
Do you approve of this sort of behaviour? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2014, 11:44:57 AM
Do you approve of this sort of behaviour?

Not really, but as it is something I have no influence over, I won't lose any sleep over it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 11:47:07 AM
Not really, but as it is something I have no influence over, I won't lose any sleep over it.
I didn't ask if you would lose sleep over it, but thanks for providing the extra information, most interesting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 11, 2014, 12:04:11 PM
(http://media.skynews.com/media/images/generated/2014/6/11/315686/default/v1/graffiti-2-1-522x293.jpg)

I could bet this was not written by a Portuguese person....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2014, 12:37:18 PM
  I should think there are a few yes.  Anyone who takes the trouble to write "The parents killed Maddie" in two foot high letters with red spray paint on a white wall   in the town where she disappeared is hardly a model of calm, empathetic restraint, I'll wager...

Where did it say that on sky news ?

It does refer to the 'competence' of the English Police. >@@(*&)

You should work for the Express or Daily Star. 8**8:/:

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 11, 2014, 12:40:00 PM
Where did it say that on sky news ?

It does refer to the 'competence' of the English Police. >@@(*&)

You should work for the Express or Daily Star. 8**8:/:

SKY were just playing selected highlights .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 12:40:51 PM
Where did it say that on sky news ?

It does refer to the 'competence' of the English Police. >@@(*&)

You should work for the Express or Daily Star. 8**8:/:

Erm...you're clearly not "up to speed" on this matter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 11, 2014, 12:42:20 PM
Erm...you're clearly not "up to speed" on this matter.

I would say the Portuguese are more aware than you on this case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 12:45:02 PM
I would say the Portuguese are more aware than you on this case.
Laughable strawman yet again.  You implied earlier that I made up the "Parents killed Maddie" graffiti, and I rightly pointed out that you are clearly not up to speed on this graffiti incident.  So, perhaps you could acknowledge your mistake for once instead of posting more diversionary clap-trap.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on June 11, 2014, 12:46:05 PM
https://twitter.com/xklamation/status/476637514363846656/photo/1

(http://i.imgur.com/2ViwrpD.jpg?1)

Os Pais Mataram Maddie >> The Parents Killed Maddie

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 12:47:52 PM

https://twitter.com/xklamation/status/476637514363846656/photo/1
Thank you Carana.  I await Stephen's humble acknowledgment of his or her mistake (ha, as if!)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on June 11, 2014, 12:55:41 PM
I've definitely seen more welcoming messages to a tourist resort village than red paint sprayed over a wall accusing the parents, in barely literate language, of having killed her.

How welcoming is that?

It reminds me of the billboard with paint splashed over her face and the number to contact. How sad is that?

The police checked a particular site and moved on. Some people seem to be perpetuating a negative atmosphere. Why would that be?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2014, 01:07:06 PM
I've definitely seen more welcoming messages to a tourist resort village than red paint sprayed over a wall accusing the parents, in barely literate language, of having killed her.

How welcoming is that?

It reminds me of the billboard with paint splashed over her face and the number to contact. How sad is that?

The police checked a particular site and moved on. Some people seem to be perpetuating a negative atmosphere. Why would that be?


What do you think it is about the McCanns that elicits such behaviour ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 11, 2014, 02:35:02 PM
Madeleine McCann search: 'stupid' British police face backlash from Portuguese locals.

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/06/11/article-2654890-1EA9CA5200000578-996_634x394.jpg)

Graffiti describing English police as 'stupid' and accusing Kate and Gerry McCann is scrawled on a wall after officers began searching a second site


The Madeleine McCann investigation is facing a backlash from Portuguese locals as officers begin searching a second site.

Graffiti slurring the McCann family and describing British police as "stupid" appeared scrawled on a wall opposite a new site being investigated.

Sniffer dogs are being used on the area near where Madeleine McCann went missing in Portugal seven years ago after a fresh area of land was cordoned off by police in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz at first light this morning.

The words "policia ingesa [sic] estupidos" appeared on a nearby wall, as well as accusations against the McCanns, alleging they were responsible for her disappearance.

Two dogs from South Wales Police were seen with their handlers inside the cordon and appeared to be concentrating on a small area which has been marked out with police tape inside.

A third officer could be seen with them examining notes.

The new area is on the outskirts of the town, around 15 minutes walk from the Ocean Club resort where the McCann family were staying when the child went missing in May 2007, aged three.

Specialist teams spent last week scouring an area of land closer to the holiday apartment where they were staying.

The operation was extended after British police applied to the judiciary to spend an extra seven days in the resort but no work had been carried out previously this week due to a Portuguese national holiday.

A spokesman for the McCann family said they declined to comment on the graffiti, which was written in large letters in Portuguese overnight.

Further officers arrived at the new site this morning and stood around having discussions and surveying the large area.

Further tape was marked out inside the square area within the cordon, appearing to highlight specific areas of interest to police.

Nine officers lined up and began carrying out a methodical search inside the smaller cordoned-off area.

They moved slowly forwards, poking the grassy area with sticks as they studied the ground for anything suspicious, with some of them bending over to take a closer look at times.

Officers began using a pickaxe and shovel to dig within the small section, while others stood in a group watching them work.

They spent a few minutes digging at the earth, which is very dry due to the warm climate.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10891879/Madeleine-McCann-search-stupid-British-police-face-backlash-from-Portuguese-locals.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2014, 05:36:12 PM
Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, the officer in charge of the case, was spotted at the site overseeing the fresh searches.

The main activity was concentrated on a taped-off area roughly the size of two tennis courts inside the cordon.

At one point nine uniformed Met Police officers lined up and began carrying out a methodical search using sticks to poke at the undergrowth.

Portuguese police sources said at least one "item of interest" was taken away from the scene for scientific analysis.


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-search-two-3675102#ixzz34LiF9tdK
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 06:15:52 PM
Operation Grange update



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This page was last updated on
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DMC Contacts




Operation Grange officers working alongside experts in their field from around the UK, the Policia Judicial and the Guarda Nacional Republicana today, Wednesday 11 June completed an eight day period of work searching specific areas of land in Praia da Luz.

At this time no evidence relating to Madeleine McCann has been identified. However it has given us an essential understanding of the activity on and people that have used this piece of land.

This was the first phase of this major investigation which has been agreed with the Portuguese following the four International Letters of Request submitted to date. More activity has been agreed and we expect that to commence shortly. In addition further requests are being compiled and will be submitted in due course.

The decision to search the “horse shoe” shaped piece of waste ground to the west of Praia da Luz and other sites was as a specific result of the UK’s investigation work to date.

The total area of land searched and surveyed was of approximately 60,000 sq metres and included all utilities, drainage channels and derelict buildings. 41 ground anomalies were identified initially by both aerial survey and ground analysis which were then investigated fully. These included three outside of the original area.

This deployment which was the largest ever undertaken by UK police overseas in a case of this type, highlighted the effective nature of the assistance given by the Portuguese authorities, for which the investigation team and family are very grateful.

The media’s understanding and co-operation following Assistant Commissioner Rowley’s pre deployment briefing has also been noted and appreciated.

There is still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months, which again should be viewed as no more than normal operational activity in a case of this size and complexity. This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally. This is the same as would be done in the UK for a murder or high risk missing person enquiry. The scientific support staff involved were there to provide the highest level of assurance that this area was searched to the highest possible standards
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 06:30:14 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27791105
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 11, 2014, 06:45:58 PM
Didn't I say it was just a part of a full procedure

Quote
After previously declining to comment, the statement said there was "still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months".

It went on: "This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally.

"This is the same as would be done in the UK for a murder or high risk missing person enquiry."http://news.sky.com/story/1280346/search-has-produced-no-new-madeleine-clues
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 11, 2014, 06:50:32 PM
I guess it's time for some to stop tick-tocking and start hollering "whitewash!" again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2014, 07:24:40 PM
Just scrolled back, Alfred and see you got there before me.

Looks like the Met are looking towards a long haul.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on June 11, 2014, 07:29:15 PM
Just scrolled back, Alfred and see you got there before me.

Looks like the Met are looking towards a long haul.

Which seems to suggest Madeleine is beyond harm.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2014, 11:07:00 PM
Which seems to suggest Madeleine is beyond harm.

On what do you base the hypothesis that "Madeleine is beyond harm"? 

Most certainly not the latest statement from the Met who have made it plain that the searches are one line of enquiry and that "all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner." 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Martina on June 11, 2014, 11:09:45 PM
On what do you base the hypothesis that "Madeleine is beyond harm"? 

Most certainly not the latest statement from the Met who have made it plain that the searches are one line of enquiry and that "all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner."

So I assume the line concerning the McCanns as the perpetrators is progressed too? Or Met forgot to add "all lines except one"?  >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 11, 2014, 11:27:59 PM
So I assume the line concerning the McCanns as the perpetrators is progressed too? Or Met forgot to add "all lines except one"?  >@@(*&)

I'm sorry?  You seem to have missed the statements from the Met and the PJ at the start of this enquiry. 

Let me see ... what was it again ... oh never mind, it will come to me

O advogado dos pais da criança inglesa, desaparecida no Algarve em 2007, revelou que o casal foi informado de que os novos indícios, na base da reabertura do inquérito, «em nada apontam para a responsabilização» dos progenitores de Madeleine McCann.

Now what was it the Met said? that will come back to me too ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 12, 2014, 10:48:21 AM
This thread is called, "Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann" with the emphasis being on the word 'latest'.

Please don't post historic or archived news reports in this thread. TY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 12, 2014, 11:17:58 AM
Vile yob slurs at Maddie parents

SICK GRAFFITI NEAR DIG SITE

From GARY O'SHEA in Praia da Luz, Portugal
Thursday, June 12, 2014

SICKOS have sprayed messages attacking Madeleine McCann's parents and British cops - at the latest site of the hunt for clues to find the missing youngster.

The graffiti, in Portuguese and sprayed in red paint, said: "The parents killed Maddie. Stupid English police."

The untrue smears were daubed on a wall near scrubland hours before searching in Praia da Luz, where the three-year-old vanished in 2007.

And last night Met officers admitted their eight-day trawl of the holiday resort had so far failed to turn up any evidence.

But Scotland Yard chiefs said months of painstaking work lies ahead as police examine fresh theories.

A spokesman said: "At this time no evidence relating to Madeleine McCann has been identified."

He said of the searches: "This was the first phase of this major investigation which has been agreed with the Portuguese.

"More activity has been agreed and we expect that to commence shortly.

"Further requests are being compiled and will be submitted in due course."

The spokesman revealed: "The total area of land searched and surveyed was approximately 60,000 sq metres and included all utilities, drainage channels and derelict buildings."

He said 41 "ground anomalies" - potential burial plots - had been probed.

And he added: "This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she (Madeleine) was killed and buried locally."

The youngster's mum and dad - Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics - were cleared as suspects in their daughter's disappearance in July 2008.

They refused to comment about the malicious graffiti last night. But a spokesman for the couple said: "In the light of what Scotland Yard have said, Kate and Gerry continue to have full confidence in Operation Grange and remain very grateful to all the officers for the work they have been doing on the ground in Portugal.

"In the absence of any evidence to the contrary, they continue to believe that Madeleine is still alive and out there waiting to be found."


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 12, 2014, 11:20:21 AM

The untrue smears

How exactly does the Sun know that this..

"The parents killed Maddie"

is untrue?

It might not be.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 12, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
The fact that the British Press are now reporting selectively from Praia da Luz is indeed a damning indictment.  Like so many others I was led to believe that the graffiti daubed on a wall in the town only referred to the English police as stupid.  Had I not had the benefit of this thread I would not have been any the wiser.  Free Press?  More like liar Press!

(http://i.imgur.com/E7J4E6D.jpg?1)

"Os Pais Mataram Maddie" >> "The Parents Killed Maddie" daubed on wall in Praia da Luz as British police end search.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2014, 11:40:37 AM
The fact that the British Press are now reporting selectively from Praia da Luz is indeed a damning indictment.  Like so many others I was led to believe that the graffiti daubed on a wall in the town only referred to the English police as stupid.  Had I not had the benefit of this thread I would not have been any the wiser.  Free Press?  More like liar Press!

(http://t.co/yogCjU9Mw3)

"Os Paris Mataram Maddie" >> "The Parents Killed Maddie" daubed on wall in Praia da Luz as British police end search.

The press have always told lies...a lot of the lies were about the mccanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 12, 2014, 11:44:07 AM
The press have always told lies...a lot of the lies were about the mccanns

and what have the mccanns  done ???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 12, 2014, 11:46:29 AM
The press have always told lies...a lot of the lies were about the mccanns

Do you think that it is right that the British Press hacks are withholding information from the British public Dave?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2014, 11:50:25 AM
The fact that the British Press are now reporting selectively from Praia da Luz is indeed a damning indictment.  Like so many others I was led to believe that the graffiti daubed on a wall in the town only referred to the English police as stupid.  Had I not had the benefit of this thread I would not have been any the wiser.  Free Press?  More like liar Press!

(http://i.imgur.com/E7J4E6D.jpg?1)

"Os Pais Mataram Maddie" >> "The Parents Killed Maddie" daubed on wall in Praia da Luz as British police end search.

more evidence of how the lies told in amaral's book have caused people to believe the mccanns killed maddie and these people are now interfering with the search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 12, 2014, 11:54:04 AM

Does GA accuse the McCanns of murdering Maddie?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 12, 2014, 12:02:21 PM
The fact that the British Press are now reporting selectively from Praia da Luz is indeed a damning indictment.  Like so many others I was led to believe that the graffiti daubed on a wall in the town only referred to the English police as stupid.  Had I not had the benefit of this thread I would not have been any the wiser.  Free Press?  More like liar Press!

(http://i.imgur.com/E7J4E6D.jpg?1)

"Os Pais Mataram Maddie" >> "The Parents Killed Maddie" daubed on wall in Praia da Luz as British police end search.

I think this graffiti and the reported comments of some residents which is being seen by a worldwide audience is showing Praia Da Luz in the worst possible light.

The most serious damage to their tourist industry will come not from the seemingly ignored assaults on children, or the abduction of one, but from the continued resistance of the inhabitants who are in denial about one and up in arms about a police investigation which seeks to establish the fate of the other.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 12, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
I think this graffiti and the reported comments of some residents which is being seen by a worldwide audience is showing Praia Da Luz in the worst possible light.

The most serious damage to their tourist industry will come not from the seemingly ignored assaults on children, or the abduction of one, but from the continued resistance of the inhabitants who are in denial about one and up in arms about a police investigation which seeks to establish the fate of the other.

'Inhabitants who are in denial'

What claptrap.

After all the negative press and xenophobia which has been directed at the Portuguese, did you expect anything else from some people there ?

and remember, for the umpteenth time, 'type of crime unknown'.

P.S. ...and before you ask, I don't believe the mccanns are responsible for the all too probable demise of Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 12, 2014, 12:14:36 PM
I think this graffiti and the reported comments of some residents which is being seen by a worldwide audience is showing Praia Da Luz in the worst possible light.

The most serious damage to their tourist industry will come not from the seemingly ignored assaults on children, or the abduction of one, but from the continued resistance of the inhabitants who are in denial about one and up in arms about a police investigation which seeks to establish the fate of the other.

It is unfortunate but Praia da Luz is now infamous for the wrong reasons. Morbid curiosity has taken over from the wonderful beaches and scenery as the number one reason for going there by all accounts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 12, 2014, 12:18:19 PM
The untrue smears

How exactly does the Sun know that this..

"The parents killed Maddie"

is untrue?

It might not be.

Gary O'Shea and the Sun also claim that, the McCanns have been "cleared as suspects"

Is this new speak or just O'Shea speak for talking through his arse?

The McCanns had their official arguido status removed but as far as cleared of anything is concerned that particular train has not yet left the station.  In order to clear someone of a potential crime one has to know what the crime was in the first place.  In the Madeleine case the Portuguese Archiving Report was very clear...crime if any > unknown!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on June 12, 2014, 12:25:53 PM
https://www.facebook.com/Official.Find.Madeleine.Campaign?fref=nf
11 June, 2014 - Update from Operation Grange

Operation Grange officers working alongside experts in their field from around the UK, the Policia Judicial and the Guarda Nacional Republicana today, Wednesday 11 June completed an eight day period of work searching specific areas of land in Praia da Luz.

At this time no evidence relating to Madeleine McCann has been identified. However it has given us an essential understanding of the activity on and people that have used this piece of land.


This was the first phase of this major investigation which has been agreed with the Portuguese following the four International Letters of Request submitted to date. More activity has been agreed and we expect that to commence shortly. In addition further requests are being compiled and will be submitted in due course.

The decision to search the “horse shoe” shaped piece of waste ground to the west of Praia da Luz and other sites was as a specific result of the UK’s investigation work to date.

The total area of land searched and surveyed was of approximately 60,000 sq metres and included all utilities, drainage channels and derelict buildings. 41 ground anomalies were identified initially by both aerial survey and ground analysis which were then investigated fully. These included three outside of the original area.

This deployment which was the largest ever undertaken by UK police overseas in a case of this type, highlighted the effective nature of the assistance given by the Portuguese authorities, for which the investigation team and family are very grateful.

The media’s understanding and co-operation following Assistant Commissioner Rowley’s pre deployment briefing has also been noted and appreciated.

There is still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months, which again should be viewed as no more than normal operational activity in a case of this size and complexity. This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally. This is the same as would be done in the UK for a murder or high risk missing person enquiry. The scientific support staff involved were there to provide the highest level of assurance that this area was searched to the highest possible standards.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 12, 2014, 12:28:19 PM
Gary O'Shea and the Sun also claim that, the McCanns have been "cleared as suspects"

Is this new speak or just O'Shea speak for talking through his arse?

The McCanns had their official arguido status removed but as far as cleared of anything is concerned that particular train has not yet left the station.  In order to clear someone of a potential crime one has to know what the crime was in the first place.  In the Madeleine case this is still unknown even now.

They need evidence first before even thinking of going there. Cleared in their dreams.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2014, 12:48:26 PM
Gary O'Shea and the Sun also claim that, the McCanns have been "cleared as suspects"

Is this new speak or just O'Shea speak for talking through his arse?

The McCanns had their official arguido status removed but as far as cleared of anything is concerned that particular train has not yet left the station.  In order to clear someone of a potential crime one has to know what the crime was in the first place.  In the Madeleine case the Portuguese Archiving Report was very clear...crime if any unknown!

I  think cleared as suspects is a good description of their status
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on June 12, 2014, 12:51:33 PM
Gary O'Shea and the Sun also claim that, the McCanns have been "cleared as suspects"

Is this new speak or just O'Shea speak for talking through his arse?

The McCanns had their official arguido status removed but as far as cleared of anything is concerned that particular train has not yet left the station.  In order to clear someone of a potential crime one has to know what the crime was in the first place.  In the Madeleine case the Portuguese Archiving Report was very clear...crime if any unknown!

so Robert Murat must be still on the same train eh john ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 12, 2014, 01:25:18 PM
As stated on so many occasions  arguido status can be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial period.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 12, 2014, 01:27:28 PM
As stated on so many occasions  arguido status can be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial period.

so what
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on June 12, 2014, 01:30:35 PM
As stated on so many occasions  arguido status can be reinstated for up to 20 years after the initial period.

And ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 12, 2014, 02:36:51 PM
Do you think that it is right that the British Press hacks are withholding information from the British public Dave?
No, they should be doing everything they can to highlight the unbalanced, xenophobic mentality that resides in PdL, and encapsulated by this grafitti - IMO. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 12, 2014, 02:59:45 PM
Madeleine McCann's parents say search reinforces 'hope'

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann say the fact that recent searches found no trace of their daughter reinforces their belief she could still be alive.

Kate and Gerry McCann said they were "very pleased" at the searches over the last 10 days in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Scotland Yard said there was still a "substantial amount of work" still to do in the investigation after three areas of land were searched.

Madeleine was three when she went missing in the Algarve resort in 2007.

Scotland Yard has said the searches, carried out with Portuguese officers and covering approximately 60,000 square metres, were the "first phase of this major investigation".

In a statement released through their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.


"We are further encouraged that despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.

"As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of inquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with the close co-operation of the British and Portuguese authorities.

"We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information."

British officers are believed to be flying back to the UK on Thursday, but some local residents have criticised the searches.

Waiter Fernando Pereira said the timing of the searches, at the start of the tourist season was a "nuisance".

He added: "Everyone's opinion here - and even the British people who live here - is that it's a bit too much now. The British police should just go home."

A statement from Scotland Yard on Wednesday said "more activity has been agreed" with the Portuguese police, and that this was expected to start shortly.

Police sources have previously revealed that after the land searches have been completed, Portuguese police are due to question "several suspects", who are described as "of interest" in the case.


The second search site was about 15 minutes' walk from the resort of Praia da Luz
On Wednesday police could be seen searching two other sites near Praia da Luz with sniffer dogs.

But the main focus of the land searches was on the first 15-acre site that police spent a week combing for evidence.

Scotland Yard said overall "41 ground anomalies" had been identified by both aerial surveys and ground analysis, which were then fully investigated.

As police prepared to search the second two areas, graffiti slurring the McCann family and describing British police as "stupid" was scrawled on a nearby wall overnight.

A spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said they declined to comment on the graffiti, which was written in large red letters in Portuguese.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27813554?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 12, 2014, 03:15:55 PM
Madeleine McCann's parents say search reinforces 'hope'

The parents of missing Madeleine McCann say the fact that recent searches found no trace of their daughter reinforces their belief she could still be alive.

Kate and Gerry McCann said they were "very pleased" at the searches over the last 10 days in Praia da Luz, Portugal.

Scotland Yard said there was still a "substantial amount of work" still to do in the investigation after three areas of land were searched.

Madeleine was three when she went missing in the Algarve resort in 2007.

Scotland Yard has said the searches, carried out with Portuguese officers and covering approximately 60,000 square metres, were the "first phase of this major investigation".

In a statement released through their spokesman, Clarence Mitchell, Mr and Mrs McCann said: "We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.


"We are further encouraged that despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.

"As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of inquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with the close co-operation of the British and Portuguese authorities.

"We would like to thank all those involved for their efforts and the members of the public who have come forward with information."

British officers are believed to be flying back to the UK on Thursday, but some local residents have criticised the searches.

Waiter Fernando Pereira said the timing of the searches, at the start of the tourist season was a "nuisance".

He added: "Everyone's opinion here - and even the British people who live here - is that it's a bit too much now. The British police should just go home."

A statement from Scotland Yard on Wednesday said "more activity has been agreed" with the Portuguese police, and that this was expected to start shortly.

Police sources have previously revealed that after the land searches have been completed, Portuguese police are due to question "several suspects", who are described as "of interest" in the case.


The second search site was about 15 minutes' walk from the resort of Praia da Luz
On Wednesday police could be seen searching two other sites near Praia da Luz with sniffer dogs.

But the main focus of the land searches was on the first 15-acre site that police spent a week combing for evidence.

Scotland Yard said overall "41 ground anomalies" had been identified by both aerial surveys and ground analysis, which were then fully investigated.

As police prepared to search the second two areas, graffiti slurring the McCann family and describing British police as "stupid" was scrawled on a nearby wall overnight.

A spokesman for Mr and Mrs McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said they declined to comment on the graffiti, which was written in large red letters in Portuguese.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-27813554?

Madeleine vanished in Praia Da Luz.
The Met and the PJ have centred their investigations in PDL.
There are people who the PJ have said they are going to detain for questioning and make arguidos in PDL.
The answers to Madeleine McCann's disappearance lie in PDL.

Cui bono if "The British police should just go home."?  Only the perpetrator/s of this crime who are possible still free to roam the streets of PDL.
 
If the residents of PDL are content with that situation they may find out their attitude will turn them back into the dusty poverty stricken place it was before Robert Murat's father took a hand in its affairs.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on June 12, 2014, 03:28:00 PM
Do you think that it is right that the British Press hacks are withholding information from the British public Dave?

What information are you referring to?

If you mean the full content of the graffiti message, some articles have mentioned it, but have not shown the full message. The allegation about the parents is libellous, whereas the "English police are stupid" is an opinion.

Even though it is tecnically libellous to even repeat the text of the first half as an accusation, the full image in red paint is even more shocking, IMO. For once, the UK press seem to be trying to tread a fine line so as to convey the general idea that the police searches were not welcomed by some, without furthing adding to the distress of the family at this delicate time.

Some of the locals may have got the wrong impression that the entire village was going to be dug up with bulldozers. Where did they get that impression from? The reality seems to have been as discreet as possible on the part of the police, albeit with a large media presence, who have no doubt added to the local economy.

Satellite trucks may be noisy and take up space, but that seems to have been the only inconvenience. Possibly not any more inconvenient than when the roadworks were in full swing back in 2007.

I can understand that locals don't want their village to be remembered forever as the place where this little girl disappeared, but ascertaining whether or not she could have been killed and buried there, finally finding who was responsible and bringing that person (or people) to justice would surely help them to move on. In the meantime, a little girl is still missing.

It may well be that the press reported the moans as soundbites, as opposed to giving the fuller context of a conversation in which some may have also expressed empathy. I hope that, aside from the odd nutter, that this is the case. Otherwise, IMO, the reactions don't convey a particularly flattering image of the resort.

I wonder whether the mayor approves of the placard-carrying, spray-painting image?


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Truth on June 13, 2014, 12:14:25 AM
this mess has damaged portugal.uk relations

the media has caused the damage perfect example of only posting half the grafitti

the Portugese have long believed the parents killed Madeleine and hid her and can't understand why the brits are so stupid

i cant either tbh
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 13, 2014, 12:21:22 AM
this mess has damaged portugal.uk relations

the media has caused the damage perfect example of only posting half the grafitti

the Portugese have long believed the parents killed Madeleine and hid her and can't understand why the brits are so stupid

i cant either tbh

I think STUPID is to think that one whole nation would have the same opinion..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 13, 2014, 12:38:57 AM
I think STUPID is to think that one whole nation would have the same opinion..
True, however, there is by some of the local population some degree of resentment.
The root reason IMO: bad logic by investigators.
IMO both Mr Amaral's PJ/UK team,and the SY 2014 team, work from assumptions which seem to me dubious at best, like the assumption of what the time window is for exit, and the assumption that unconcealed carrying ever happens in these cases.
BTW at sky news looks like there is nothing about this case on Friday UK front pages
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2014, 09:30:48 AM
The case was just being discussed on Nick Ferrari's program on LBC.

Dan Hodges of the Telegraph said there's no evidence she was abducted.

John O'Connor, ex-met, said she was, but couldn't state any evidence for it. Just supported Redwood.

Dan Hodges also stated why isn't money being spent on other missing people cases.

I'm sure the Hodges will now be attacked by the mccann trolls.

P.S. Good to hear a journalist at last who stands up to the mccann bandwagon.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 13, 2014, 09:34:01 AM
The case was just being discussed on Nick Ferrari's program on LBC.

Dan Hodges of the Telegraph said there's no evidence she was abducted.

John O'Connor, ex-met, said she was, but couldn't state any evidence for it. Just supported Redwood.

Dan Hodges also stated why isn't money being spent on other missing people cases.

I'm sure the Hodges will now be attacked by the mccann trolls.

You bet.  How dare he make such hurtful and unhelpful comments.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2014, 09:57:28 AM
You bet.  How dare he make such hurtful and unhelpful comments.

Indeed Jassi.

Ferrari also asked, how do you know she didn't just wander off and also he was asking how the expenditure is justified on this case.

He got it slightly wrong there, saying only £5,000,000. When it's now  approx. £7,000,000.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2014, 12:21:10 PM
Indeed Jassi.

Ferrari also asked, how do you know she didn't just wander off and also he was asking how the expenditure is justified on this case.

He got it slightly wrong there, saying only £5,000,000. When it's now  approx. £7,000,000.

Let’s see now, way back in the dark ages of 2007 they obviously did not have recourse to all the technology available to the Met and PJ teams who have been working in PDL.

Terrain spotting from the air:  oh wait a minute the files mention a helicopter deployment, so although the search criteria would have been slightly different, the technology was there and it was used.

Ground penetrating radar:  Hmmm, they had that as well and we know it was used at Mr Murat's villa.

Dogs:  the GNR dogs provided leads well worth following.

Personnel: they had that in plenty, but as to deployment, Mark Harrison’s veiled reference in the files to the lack of experience of all but the mountain rescue team in searching for the missing seems to have been justified – we have just watched the Met  officers on hands and knees inspecting drains and a big hole in the ground which nobody looked at – in an area of waste ground close to where a man was seen carrying a child in 2007.

Forensics:  they had access to good laboratories, but they botched collecting samples and misinterpreted the results of the ones they did manage to collect.

Phone tracking:  all the information was available in 2007 - Heriberto, a civilian, worked it out just by checking the files; until the Met and the new PJ teams did the same no official body triangulated or worked on the calls to link them to individuals in the relevant area at the relevant time as has been done in 2014.  Although some work was certainly carried out on the Tapas and Madeleine's parents.

So I think the team in 2007 had the resources available to the teams doing the work in 2014. 

If these had been used as demonstrated by the professionals of 2014, there is a fair chance that they would have discovered what happened to Madeleine then; or at the least options would have been eliminated enabling progression to the next level, which is what the Met have told us is happening now.

Although expensive it would not have been half as expensive as it is now and a family might have been spared seven years of absolute torture.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2014, 12:42:17 PM
.....or, as you are clearly apportioning blame with the use of hindsight, that same family could have saved everybody involved the stress and expense by taking better care of their children in the first instance!  8((()*/

No hindsight involved.

Just watch professionals at work and see how it should have been done - even at the time the GNR officers on duty were appalled at being made the laughing stock of police services throughout the world.

>> Clip<< The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."

>>Clip<< "The world's eyes are on us and we mucked up big and there's nothing they can do to change things - it's too late."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2014, 12:58:43 PM


Let’s see now, way back in the dark ages of 2007 they obviously did not have recourse to all the technology available to the Met and PJ teams who have been working in PDL.

Terrain spotting from the air:  oh wait a minute the files mention a helicopter deployment, so although the search criteria would have been slightly different, the technology was there and it was used.

Ground penetrating radar:  Hmmm, they had that as well and we know it was used at Mr Murat's villa.

Dogs:  the GNR dogs provided leads well worth following.

Personnel: they had that in plenty, but as to deployment, Mark Harrison’s veiled reference in the files to the lack of experience of all but the mountain rescue team in searching for the missing seems to have been justified – we have just watched the Met  officers on hands and knees inspecting drains and a big hole in the ground which nobody looked at – in an area of waste ground close to where a man was seen carrying a child in 2007.

Forensics:  they had access to good laboratories, but they botched collecting samples and misinterpreted the results of the ones they did manage to collect.

Phone tracking:  all the information was available in 2007 - Heriberto, a civilian, worked it out just by checking the files; until the Met and the new PJ teams did the same no official body triangulated or worked on the calls to link them to individuals in the relevant area at the relevant time as has been done in 2014.  Although some work was certainly carried out on the Tapas and Madeleine's parents.

So I think the team in 2007 had the resources available to the teams doing the work in 2014. 

If these had been used as demonstrated by the professionals of 2014, there is a fair chance that they would have discovered what happened to Madeleine then; or at the least options would have been eliminated enabling progression to the next level, which is what the Met have told us is happening now.

Although expensive it would not have been half as expensive as it is now and a family might have been spared seven years of absolute torture.

Dark ages ? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

They would have been spared if they hadn't been so stupid and arrogant in the first place.

There is no one else to blame but the mccanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2014, 01:01:01 PM
So any comments by the mccann supporters on the LBC phrogram this morning and the Daily Telegraph journalist ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2014, 01:11:34 PM

Dark ages ? @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*

They would have been spared if they hadn't been so stupid and arrogant in the first place.

There is no one else to blame but the mccanns.

Better call the Met and the PJ and tell them just to forget all about those cuddly child rapists and child abductors ... they're only perpetrators but they are certainly a better class of people than the parents of innocent children ... and not to be blamed in any way.

It is that sort of attitude from people like you that has allowed these horrors to go unpunished ... bet they are not feeling too happy now that they know that is all changed.

The PJ and the Met are holding them responsible and even better, they know who they are.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2014, 03:27:39 PM
Better call the Met and the PJ and tell them just to forget all about those cuddly child rapists and child abductors ... they're only perpetrators but they are certainly a better class of people than the parents of innocent children ... and not to be blamed in any way.

It is that sort of attitude from people like you that has allowed these horrors to go unpunished ... bet they are not feeling too happy now that they know that is all changed.

The PJ and the Met are holding them responsible and even better, they know who they are.

There is no proven connection between this case and any paedophiles.

You are desperately clutching at straws.

Why is that ?

Why don't you listen to the podcast from LBC with Nick Ferrari ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2014, 04:21:10 PM

It was heartening to see the close working relationships being forged in PDL between the police personnel of two  nations.  This was obvious at their temporary parting when kisses were exchanged.

Although there are more searches of this type in the pipe line, it is obvious these are not the be all and end all of the search to discover what became of Madeleine.
We can only hope with her parents that she will eventually be found alive and well.


>> SNIP << Detectives found no evidence relating to the missing child during searches of three areas of land over the past 10 days, but have said more will be carried out “shortly”.

In a statement released yesterday, Mr and Mrs McCann said: “We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.

“We are further encouraged that despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.

“As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of inquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with the close co-operation of the British and Portuguese authorities.
http://www.herald.ie/news/search-gives-us-hope-maddie-is-alive-mccanns-30350908.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2014, 04:22:29 PM
They know who they are? Case solved then. Better tell them to pack their shovels away.

Or would a better turn of phrase be that they have suspects in mind?

Whatever pleases you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 13, 2014, 06:09:57 PM
No hindsight involved.

Just watch professionals at work and see how it should have been done - even at the time the GNR officers on duty were appalled at being made the laughing stock of police services throughout the world.

>> Clip<< The pair - both uniformed officers from Portugal's Guarda Nacional Republicana - criticised senior colleagues for failing to secure the scene, saying: "They regret it because now the whole world's laughing and pointing fingers in disgust, saying how incompetent the Portuguese police are."

>>Clip<< "The world's eyes are on us and we mucked up big and there's nothing they can do to change things - it's too late."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html

>>Clip<< "They'd all been drinking. They weren't falling over but it was hard to deal with them."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1568477/Portuguese-police-admit-Madeleine-circus.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 13, 2014, 07:29:17 PM
It was heartening to see the close working relationships being forged in PDL between the police personnel of two  nations.  This was obvious at their temporary parting when kisses were exchanged.

Although there are more searches of this type in the pipe line, it is obvious these are not the be all and end all of the search to discover what became of Madeleine.
We can only hope with her parents that she will eventually be found alive and well.


>> SNIP << Detectives found no evidence relating to the missing child during searches of three areas of land over the past 10 days, but have said more will be carried out “shortly”.

In a statement released yesterday, Mr and Mrs McCann said: “We are very pleased that significant activity has taken place in Praia da Luz over the last 10 days with police officers and support teams from the UK working closely with the Policia Judiciaria and the Guarda Nacional Republicana.

“We are further encouraged that despite the intensive searches, no trace of Madeleine has been found and this reinforces our belief that she could still be alive.

“As parents of a missing child, we have always wanted all reasonable lines of inquiry to be followed and it is gratifying to know that a substantial amount of work will take place over the coming months with the close co-operation of the British and Portuguese authorities.
http://www.herald.ie/news/search-gives-us-hope-maddie-is-alive-mccanns-30350908.html

More propaganda.

Any nearer 'solving' the case ?

NO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 13, 2014, 07:45:18 PM
Could you save a missing child?

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But while that case is now in the hands of a dedicated team of detectives, there is something that everyone in this country could do to protect children in the future.
The mothers of Madeleine and the murdered schoolgirl April Jones have both asked people to sign up to the new Child Rescue Alert scheme, which helps publicise missing children in the crucial first hours after they disappear.
The messages are free and will only be used in situations where children are thought to be at real risk of harm.
Speaking shortly before the new scheme launched last month, Kate McCann said: “When a child is abducted, families are devastated and entire communities are torn apart. The agony of not knowing where your child is is almost impossible to imagine. The helplessness is at times overwhelming. But there is now something we can all do to help. Please sign up to receive alerts – you could save a child’s life.”
What is it?
The new alert scheme has been created by the National Crime Agency and the charity Missing People, and it’s powered by technology company Groupcall.
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They will be able to send text messages, use social media and commandeer digital billboards to ensure that people know to keep watch for a specific child that’s in danger.
You can sign up now to receive those text messages at http://www.childrescuealert.org.uk alerting you if a child is snatched or missing in your area. It takes literally a couple of minutes to register.
Will it work?
America already has a similar scheme – the American Amber Alert system. It has helped save 679 children since it was launched, and in 2012 alone 68 kids were safely recovered as a direct result of the alerts.
In the Netherlands too, a similar system has seen children safely brought home as a direct result of the alerts. It’s used on average four times a year and in 64 per cent of those cases the child was found thanks to the nationwide alert system.
When will the Child Rescue Alerts be used?
These alerts won’t be sent for every missing child, there are strict criteria. They are only going to be used in a real crisis, where a child is thought to be at risk of serious harm or death.
Organisers hope this means they always get noticed and acted on, rather than becoming a routine event. You can find out more about helping other youngsters via the website Missing Children.
What will it cost?
You won’t pay a penny to receive these alerts and your information won’t be shared or sold.
By spreading the word via Facebook, Twitter and among your friends, you could help the charity reach the one million subscribers it needs to help children in danger.
Are you signing up? Will you share this information? 
https://uk.lifestyle.yahoo.com/could-you-save-a-missing-child-152137947.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 14, 2014, 01:17:33 PM


Dismal Spectacle,

The investigation of the last two weeks, if it can be called an investigation, was surreal.

By Carlos Anjos [president of the Committee for the protection of crime victims, former president of PJ Union]
13 June 2014
With thanks to Joana Morais for translation

If there were doubts about the PJ investigation, lo and behold, the English police conferred legitimacy to it.

The investigation that we have witnessed in the last two weeks, if it can be called investigation, was at best, surreal. While watching Andy Redwood, I've missed Gonçalo Amaral.

The English police had no idea what they were doing, in addition to spending money - in two years they have already spent over €8 million, the operating budget of the PJ in one year.

In two weeks, they told us that Maddie was abducted by an abuser who used to lay down in a bed with minors. And the girl woke up, was killed and buried.

Then there were three Portuguese, but could have been six, that were committing burglaries. Maddie woke up, was killed and buried.

Then, at the searches, they found two cannabis plants and look: Maddie was killed by drug traffickers who were robbing her house.

Objective fact: the English have no doubt that there was a robbery.

Problem: there was no break-in, the doors were locked and nothing was stolen.

So how did they get in? Another mystery.

And then they went, as they came, after that dismal spectacle.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/opiniao/carlos-anjos/figura-triste
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 15, 2014, 01:48:50 AM
Mirror
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/482486/EXCLUSIVE-I-killed-Madeleine-McCann-and-I-m-going-to-kill-you

Have the Mirror not considered that this knife guy is simply lying?
And BTW the age calculation is 21 - 7 = 14 at the time (not 15).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2014, 10:53:20 PM
Gerry and Kate McCann furious at claims they hid daughter Madeleine's body in coffin

Kate and Gerry McCann tonight told of their anguish after disgraced detective Goncalo Amaral threw yet more hurtful allegations at them.

The former police officer claimed the couple could have hidden their daughter Madeleine’s body inside the coffin of a woman, who was due to be cremated, in a church near where the three-year-old vanished.

And he today compounded their misery by sacking his lawyer moments before the pair arrived at his libel trial in Lisbon, delaying the hearing for a fourth time.

Kate said outside court: “Every time he postpones the case it brings us more pain and distress. We just want justice. This is not fair.”

Speaking earlier to a Portuguese ­newspaper and its TV channel, Amaral, sacked after botching the initial hunt for Madeleine, repeated his claims the youngster is dead.

But he suggested the McCanns hid her body in the woman’s coffin at Praia da Luz catholic church – which they had a key for – a month after she vanished in 2007.

Amaral added: “The mystery will only end when the McCann couple are no longer being protected. Only then will we understand the truth.”

But a source close to the couple said: “These are sickening allegations that no sane person would believe.

“It’s about time people realised what Mr Amaral is, a liar and a fantasist. He has been making these false claims since he was sacked.

“He is suggesting Kate and Gerry moved Madeleine’s body a month after she vanished.

"At that time they were the most-watched couple in the history of the modern media.”

Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, arrived at the Palace of Justice at 9.30am today for the long-awaited libel hearing. But the judge adjourned the case after Amaral revealed he had fired his lawyer.

Heart doctor Gerry said: “We’re exasperated that the hearing has been cancelled once again at Mr Amaral’s request. This is the fourth time.

"We want to get justice for Madeleine. Today is a blatant and cynical attempt to wear us down and it’s Madeleine who is suffering. We’re not giving up.”

Kate added: “That letter could have been handed in before we left Britain.”

Amaral’s libel case began in 2009 over his book The Truth of the Lie. In it he claims Madeleine died inside the couple’s holiday flat and they covered it up.

The couple deny the allegations. The hearing was adjourned until July 8.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/gerry-kate-mccann-furious-claims-3707478




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Truth on June 16, 2014, 10:59:38 PM
Is someone suggesting wee Maddy is hiding in a Portugese courtroom?

Because her parents are more desperate to go to court than the dig.

Says it all....

These individuals have done immeasurable damage to themselves with this whining. 

The libel trial is about CENSORSHIP and MONEY not finding Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 16, 2014, 11:02:29 PM
British police hiding evidence in Maddie case

Gonçalo Amaral says that information provided by a woman who saw Maddie's father walking towards the beach disappeared from the files.

A few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve, May 3, 2007 (seven years ago), a witness emerged: a British tourist who said she saw the girl's father to walk the beach at night.  The revelation was made by the former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who adds that the data of the witness disappeared.

"We tried to recover this testimony and the documents that were in the British sphere and simply disappeared. Still do not know who this person is and where it is," said Goncalo Amaral.  Today, the former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão will meet up again with Gerry and Kate in the Justice Palace, in Lisbon, since it will continue the trial in which the British couple seeks EUR 1.2 million compensation for publishing the book 'Maddie, The Truth of the Lie', written by Goncalo Amaral, in defending the thesis that parents are responsible for the disappearance of the girl and the concealment of the body (see box).  Goncalo Amaral has no doubts that Maddie is dead.  "The girl's parents had the key of the church and in the same church a funeral a month after the disappearance was performed. According to some reports, the child could well go to the feet of this woman who was going to be cremated," further explained Gonçalo Amaral.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/policia-inglesa-esconde-provas-no-caso-maddie&usg=ALkJrhht5SHzMzbyOQE2ZnKxk_ZTFcO6HQ
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/policia-inglesa-esconde-provas-no-caso-maddie
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 18, 2014, 01:31:06 PM
Quote
"going to be cremated," further explained Gonçalo Amaral.
therefore probably a UK expat
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 18, 2014, 01:41:01 PM
British police hiding evidence in Maddie case

Gonçalo Amaral says that information provided by a woman who saw Maddie's father walking towards the beach disappeared from the files.

A few days after Madeleine McCann disappeared from the Ocean Club holiday resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve, May 3, 2007 (seven years ago), a witness emerged: a British tourist who said she saw the girl's father to walk the beach at night.  The revelation was made by the former PJ coordinator Gonçalo Amaral, who adds that the data of the witness disappeared.

"We tried to recover this testimony and the documents that were in the British sphere and simply disappeared. Still do not know who this person is and where it is," said Goncalo Amaral.  Today, the former coordinator of the PJ of Portimão will meet up again with Gerry and Kate in the Justice Palace, in Lisbon, since it will continue the trial in which the British couple seeks EUR 1.2 million compensation for publishing the book 'Maddie, The Truth of the Lie', written by Goncalo Amaral, in defending the thesis that parents are responsible for the disappearance of the girl and the concealment of the body (see box).  Goncalo Amaral has no doubts that Maddie is dead.  "The girl's parents had the key of the church and in the same church a funeral a month after the disappearance was performed. According to some reports, the child could well go to the feet of this woman who was going to be cremated," further explained Gonçalo Amaral.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=2&hl=en&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/policia-inglesa-esconde-provas-no-caso-maddie&usg=ALkJrhht5SHzMzbyOQE2ZnKxk_ZTFcO6HQ
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/nacional/portugal/policia-inglesa-esconde-provas-no-caso-maddie
Funny that Gonc failed to mention this fascinating piece of information in his bestselling novel, sorry I mean book. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 18, 2014, 01:42:57 PM
Funny that Gonc failed to mention this fascinating piece of information in his bestselling novel, sorry I mean book.

It's Kate wot wrote the novel.  Almost won the booker prize for literature
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on June 18, 2014, 07:02:49 PM
If the McCanns did not decide to leave their children unattended, Maddie would not be missing right now. But yeah, blame the Portuguese people.

The thing is Martina,   yes the McCann's were wrong leaving the children by themselves,   but they still deserve a proper investigation by the Portuguese police.      Why wasn't Mrs. Fenn interviewed straight away she would have been able to tell him that she had an intruder who entered and exited  via the window, she wasn't,   why wasn't 5a made a crime scene immediately it wasn't,   why wasn't the bedding sent off to pathology they weren't,   why weren't there road blocks straight away when the child wasn't found,    why did the police arrive so late the following day with the dogs, Amaral dismissed the idea that 5a could have been broken into 'there was no evidence' he said,  but why didn't he pursue the idea there might have been a copy of the front door key?   did he look into that?    He must have known about the burglaries that had been going on and the sex attacks on children.       Amaral says he suspected the McCann's straight away,  though he didn't make 5a a crime scene,   he cancelled the reconstruction because he was worried about tourists.

Madeleine deserved to have a thorough investigation but she didn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 18, 2014, 07:09:35 PM
No, they should be doing everything they can to highlight the unbalanced, xenophobic mentality that resides in PdL, and encapsulated by this graffiti - IMO.

So you would tar the entire population of Praia da Luz xenophobic because of the actions of one or two people ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 18, 2014, 07:15:57 PM
So you would tar the entire population of Praia da Luz xenophobic because of the actions of one or two people ?

If I lived in Praia da Luz I would be in there painting it out.  You hd better believe that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 03:05:28 PM
From a portuguese TV program (CMTV):

" ... a Luz resident that lives about 100 meters from the Ocean Club resort, who saw ... about three hours ... after Maddie's disappearance --- --- --- ---, supposedly drunk, wandering around."

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2014, 04:25:54 PM
From a portuguese TV program (CMTV):

" ... a Luz resident that lives about 100 meters from the Ocean Club resort, who saw ... about three hours ... after Maddie's disappearance --- --- --- ---, supposedly drunk, wandering around."

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html

In The Files, is it?  Or more of Amaral's unprovable evidence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 04:35:15 PM
In The Files, is it?  Or more of Amaral's unprovable evidence.
It was CMTV who found this witness very recently.
Hopefully soon we will have the video.
I quoted from the audio and left blanks so peeps can imagine whether the blanks are Amaral's name (a link between drink and diabetes maybe?) or some other detective's name (a spree on illgotten gains from a book maybe?) or whoever
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 24, 2014, 04:50:17 PM
I don't think the blank refers to Amaral. He wasn't even on the scene 3 hours after Madeleine went missing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 04:59:35 PM
I don't think the blank refers to Amaral. He wasn't even on the scene 3 hours after Madeleine went missing.
The audio transcript is at http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html

commencing "... a Luz resident that lives about 100 meters from the Ocean Club resort who saw ........."

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 24, 2014, 05:06:54 PM
There was a report of a certain doctor allegedly seen swigging from a wine bottle a few hours after Madeleine's disappearance. Wonder if it is the same report.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 05:18:17 PM
There was a report of ...
I never heard that one
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 24, 2014, 05:25:24 PM
I never heard that one

Nor has anyone else.  Until Amaral made it up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 05:29:18 PM
Nor has anyone else.  Until Amaral made it up.
Just to clarify that what comes up in the CMTV program is a new witness, of whom Mr Amaral was unaware.
This witness was not invented by Mr Amaral, he is a real resident, interviewed by CMTV.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 24, 2014, 05:53:26 PM
Just to clarify that what comes up in the CMTV program is a new witness, of whom Mr Amaral was unaware.
This witness was not invented by Mr Amaral, he is a real resident, interviewed by CMTV.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html
CMTV is a trash news TV. Not the main Portuguese channel or SIC, is it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 24, 2014, 06:19:15 PM
Just to clarify that what comes up in the CMTV program is a new witness, of whom Mr Amaral was unaware.
This witness was not invented by Mr Amaral, he is a real resident, interviewed by CMTV.
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html

Hmmm the Smith family statements weren't known at the time?  Dr Gerry McCann is capable of bi-location?   Perhaps these people should leave this case to the professionals.  They add nothing to it, except to evidence their own cupidity, bearing in mind they do get paid for these ramblings.

 - CLIP -João Ferreira - Tânia Laranjo, you've been following this case from the start, for Correio da Manhã firstly and now for CMTV. These statements that we revealed to the viewers in tonight's special reportage [about the Portuguese fisherman and the female British tourist alleged sightings of Gerry McCann] that we showed earlier on, can they be considered of particular importance for the solution of this puzzle?

Tânia Laranjo - Like Gonçalo said, there were a series of statements that weren't known at the time, for example, the Smith family statements wasn't known at the time, that's the family that sees a man carrying a child in his arms, alleged to have been Gerry McCann, and who now, at this stage of the investigation, they [English police] say is a young man suspect of drug trafficking [e-fit released by Met in October 2013]. This is a new statement [fisherman sighting], what this man says is contrary to the statement that Gonçalo was speaking about [of the female British tourist], that is, it places the person that was sighted in an opposite direction, it places Gerry in the other side of Luz...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 24, 2014, 06:27:14 PM
I bet the mobile technology and witness statements to support it can check up on every step of Gerry on that night and I am sure the SY as precise as they are have already and long time ago established this every step of Gerry and Kate for that night. They should have done this as the first step of their renewed investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Martina on June 24, 2014, 06:30:12 PM
I bet the mobile technology and witness statements to support it can check up on every step of Gerry on that night and I am sure the SY as precise as they are have already and long time ago established this every step of Gerry and Kate for that night. They should have done this as the first step of their renewed investigation.

Now why the SY should trace Kate and Gerry if they believe the McCanns are innocent? Mind you, the SY investigation is about finding Maddie, not clearing Kate and Gerry.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 24, 2014, 06:46:03 PM
Now why the SY should trace Kate and Gerry if they believe the McCanns are innocent? Mind you, the SY investigation is about finding Maddie, not clearing Kate and Gerry.

Because they don't work in an old fashion Inspector Poirot way.. they follow the a calculated programme designed for any investigation.. a policy that is always applied. The first step of this policy would be to check the parents and people known to Madeleine. And I believe they did this.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 07:22:58 PM
The next lines immediately after what Brietta posted above are

João Ferreira - "A statement which essentially speaks of seeing ****** about three hours later..."

Tânia Laranjo -"...and drunk".

Read the complete transcript at
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/06/maddies-disappearance-english-follow.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 24, 2014, 07:59:05 PM
So a witness saw Gerry drunk 3 hours later at 1am and he didn't want to call the police  8-)(--)

The lost British witness who saw Gerry on the beach after 10pm interests me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 24, 2014, 08:04:52 PM
So a witness saw Gerry drunk 3 hours later at 1am and he didn't want to call the police  8-)(--)

The lost British witness who saw Gerry on the beach after 10pm interests me.

I would look worse than drunk if my child was missing......I would probably look mad...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 24, 2014, 08:12:15 PM
I would look worse than drunk if my child was missing......I would probably look mad...
Yes but you wouldn't look drunk
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on June 24, 2014, 08:16:47 PM
GNR arrived just after 11pm. PJ at 1am.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on June 25, 2014, 01:28:17 AM
I bet the mobile technology and witness statements to support it can check up on every step of Gerry on that night and I am sure the SY as precise as they are have already and long time ago established this every step of Gerry and Kate for that night. They should have done this as the first step of their renewed investigation.

Unless they had their phones implanted it is of no evidential value.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 25, 2014, 02:11:41 AM
Unless they had their phones implanted it is of no evidential value.
With a child missing not having your phone on you would cause my suspicion.
Having a phone one would show all their steps.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on June 25, 2014, 03:14:42 AM
With a child missing not having your phone on you would cause my suspicion.
Having a phone one would show all their steps.

So how would you know if they had their phone or someone else did?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 25, 2014, 03:26:51 AM
So how would you know if they had their phone or someone else did?

There are many witnesses and many calls made and received that night. Phone records would show all the calls made by Madeleine's parents. At the times the calls are made the position of the phone is known to the mast receiving the connections.
Are you saying that it wasn't them who spoke to their relatives but their presumed clones?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on June 25, 2014, 03:34:55 AM
There are many witnesses and many calls made and received that night. Phone records would show all the calls made by Madeleine's parents. At the times the calls are made the position of the phone is known to the mast receiving the connections.
Are you saying that it wasn't them who spoke to their relatives but their presumed clones?  @)(++(*

Most phone pings are not to do with calls just automatic polling .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 25, 2014, 03:40:44 AM
Most phone pings are not to do with calls just automatic polling .

That is true.
But the massive number of the phone calls are helpful in this case. As if Gerry said he was in front of 5A at say 01.03 am talking to his sister Trish then this can be checked out. If someone else says they saw Gerry by the beach at the same time then it must have been his twin brother.  @)(++(*

I love it when there is no room for a speculation.. ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on June 25, 2014, 03:57:37 AM
That is true.
But the massive number of the phone calls are helpful in this case. As if Gerry said he was in front of 5A at say 01.03 am talking to his sister Trish then this can be checked out. If someone else says they saw Gerry by the beach at the same time then it must have been his twin brother.  @)(++(*

I love it when there is no room for a speculation.. ?>)()<

As Benice is always saying witness statements are notoriously inaccurate, the phone location accuracy is also a lot worse than you imagine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 25, 2014, 04:07:09 AM
As Benice is always saying witness statements are notoriously inaccurate, the phone location accuracy is also a lot worse than you imagine.

I don't imagine. I have experience working with this sort of data.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on June 25, 2014, 06:32:35 AM
good to see our  Australian media isn't afraid to publish honestly


''What it’s like to holiday at the beach resort where Madeleine McCann went missing

Wendy Fitzgibbon in Praia da Luz
Escape
June 24, 2014 7:30am

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/travel/travel-news/what-its-like-to-holiday-at-the-beach-resort-where-madeleine-mccann-went-missing/story-fn[Name removed]v9zj-1226964726378?nk=376dacff0170a5cadeab97925f4eb15b

In recent weeks, police converged on a search site near the Praia da Luz beach in an attempt to finally solve the mystery of what happened to Madeleine McCann.

THE warm Mediterranean sun shines down on the blinding white sands of the popular Portuguese holiday resort of Praia da Luz as holiday makers laze under thatched umbrellas and children paddle in the shallow turquoise waters of the protected little bay with the spectacular but imposing Rocha Negra (Black Rock) looming in the background.

The scene is idyllic, but just kilometres up the road scores of British police and sniffer dogs have spent the last three weeks digging up and scouring the sandy red soil on the outskirts of the picturesque Algarve village for long-buried clues to finally solve one of Europe’s biggest mysteries.

It was in this picture-perfect family holiday setting that the now famous British toddler Madeleine McCann went missing from her family’s holiday villa just over seven years ago and became the focus of the most heavily reported missing person case in modern history.

The details of the final hours before Madeleine’s disappearance on the evening of May 3, 2007 are well documented, but despite an intense seven-year investigation conducted by law enforcement authorities on both the Portuguese and British side of the Atlantic, as well as private investigators hired by the McCann family, the fate of the cherubic-looking three-year-old remains a mystery.

The seemingly cold case of the missing youngster reared its head again a month ago when Scotland Yard sought permission from the local Portuguese authorities to probe a previously unsearched area of scrubland just a few minutes’ walk from the Ocean Club resort where the McCann family were staying on the night of their daughter’s disappearance.

It is unclear what new clues or evidence the British police were basing their latest search on, but once again, the now-familiar foreign police, forensic officers, sniffer dogs, radar equipment, and of course the attendant media pack, have invaded the small holiday town.

For Praia da Luz locals, this latest development is just another chapter in the never-ending story of Madeleine McCann, which for the past seven years has turned their previously quiet, unassuming hometown into an international circus and destroyed its reputation as a safe, peaceful family holiday destination.

The case has become Portugal’s Azaria Chamberlain case - the crime that has everyone talking but no one knows the answers.

The friendly hospitality staff at the local hotels and restaurants are happy to chat about the weather, the catch of the day and the best local tourist attractions, but just don’t mention the M word.

But like everyone else that has ever read, listened or watched any media coverage about the case, they too, have their theories about Maddie’s disappearance.

One resident who ran another holiday resort in the town at the time of Maddie’s disappearance tells of one local theory that was doing the rounds when the case first came to light.

Drainage work was taking place to pipes in the town around the time and deep holes were dotted around the town. Some of the drains were filled in and covered over a day after Madeleine went missing. Some locals believe the toddler either wandered out of her room in search of her parents and tumbled into one of the pits, others think whoever attempted to abduct her may have panicked and dumped her body into one of the holes in an attempt to cover their tracks and then absconded.

The latest search seems to give weight to these theories, with ground-penetrating radar equipment being deployed to search a hole which was previously hidden by thick undergrowth.

But as the search enters its next phase and no major clues materialise, life goes on for the locals and visitors down the road in Praia da Luz.

Although it is only early June and the beginning of the Northern hemisphere summer holiday season, Europeans, mainly Brits, have already begun trickling into town.

During the days, the beach is dotted with sun-seeking holiday makers swimming, sunbathing and paddle boarding in the still-chilly Mediterranean Sea, and by night the many restaurants, cafes and bars along the waterfront are filling up with foreign visitors drinking jugs of sangria and bottles of Sagres (the local beer), eating the delicious fresh local sardines, clams and prawns and cheering their respective teams on in the World Cup.

Most seem oblivious to the excavation work taking place nearby, or if they are aware of it, they don’t appear bothered. Parents with toddlers still walk the cobblestone streets at night, I even saw a blonde-haired little girl in pink pyjamas bearing a strong resemblance to Madeleine being pushed down the beach-side promenade in a stroller one night.

But just a few blocks back from the beach, the Ocean Club seems a little quieter. Out by the main pool, the courtyard that previously housed the infamous tapas restaurant where the McCanns and their travelling companions dined that fateful night while their children slept over the other side of the pool has now been converted into a bar and the restaurant moved to another location.

When asking for a cocktail around the 7pm one balmy night, the barman tells us the bar is closed for the evening and to perhaps head to the resort’s other bars, The Mill Pond or the Mirage, for a drink instead. The pool is empty and all the deckchairs are deserted even though it is still 25C and the sun doesn’t go down til 9pm in these parts at this time of year.

Other than an unmanned desk with a sign on the front door that announces: “Welcome to the Garden. Please show your Ocean Club passes to reception before entering the pool area” there is nothing to suggest anything more sinister than a bad sunburn or ant bite has ever taken place inside the resort walls.

Despite the relative calm in town, the long-running investigation has nevertheless taken its toll on the relationship between the local Portuguese residents and the British police.

Graffiti sprayed on a wall on the southern outskirts of town sums up the local sentiment: “Policia Ingesa estupidos”. Translated into English, it reads: “English police are stupid”.

Matters weren’t helped early on in the case when the British media accused the Portuguese police of bungling the initial investigation.

But it is a catch 22 for local businesses and tourism operators. Most of their business comes from the British tourism market, evidenced by the fact that almost all locals speak fluent English and all restaurant menus and even road signs are also in English. They can’t afford to lose this sector of the market.

So the search for Maddie goes on and life in Luz goes on.

I asked a female employee of a local riding school who was a schoolgirl at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance what her thoughts were on the case.

She shrugged her shoulders and said: “I don’t know, no one knows. We just want it to be over.”

Words that I am sure the McCann family and everyone else involved the case would agree with.

But it seems this story won’t have a happy fairy tale ending.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 25, 2014, 06:43:43 AM
good to see our   australian media isnt  afriad to publish honestly
 seems this story won’t have a happy fairy tale ending.

yes carly a very honest article...have yiu read it...

It doesnt blame the parents
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on June 25, 2014, 06:50:07 AM
yes carly a very honest article...have yiu read it...

It doesnt blame the parents

not it doesnt but it  exposes the uk media  saying that the pj  was bungling they have not helped anyone
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 25, 2014, 06:55:29 AM
not it doesnt but it  exposes the uk media  saying that the pj  was bungling they have not helped anyone

excellent article...thanks carly...doesnt blame the parents
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on June 25, 2014, 12:28:34 PM
good to see our  Australian media isn't afraid to publish honestly

''What it’s like to holiday at the beach resort where Madeleine McCann went missing

Wendy Fitzgibbon in Praia da Luz
Escape
June 24, 2014 7:30am.

The seemingly cold case of the missing youngster reared its head again a month ago when Scotland Yard sought permission from the local Portuguese authorities to probe a previously unsearched area of scrubland just a few minutes’ walk from the Ocean Club resort where the McCann family were staying on the night of their daughter’s disappearance.

The latest search seems to give weight to these theories, with ground-penetrating radar equipment being deployed to search a hole which was previously hidden by thick undergrowth.



For the record, these claims are false.  The mound area was searched by GNR sniffer dogs the morning after Madeline's disappearance as was every area of scrub in and around the village.

The hole covered by corrugated tin sheeting searched by SY has been visible for many years according to local British residents but let's keep the myth machine running...sells stories after all even in Oz.

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/travel/travel-news/what-its-like-to-holiday-at-the-beach-resort-where-madeleine-mccann-went-missing/story-fn[Name removed]v9zj-1226964726378?nk=376dacff0170a5cadeab97925f4eb15b
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on June 25, 2014, 01:49:35 PM
I don't imagine. I have experience working with this sort of data.

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 25, 2014, 02:11:45 PM
...The mound area was searched by GNR sniffer dogs the morning after Madeline's disappearance as was every area of scrub in and around the village...
Yes that sounds correct.
Also I think the mound area was searched by at least one group of non-police searchers including resort employees during the night of the disappearance (Source: Vol2 p383)
BTW I think the mound has nothing to do with the case.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on June 25, 2014, 10:44:00 PM
Any news on those  8 imminent arrests that all our newspapers, including if I remember correctly the Guardian,  announced some weeks back ? You know the ones that weren't the McCanns and their friends.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 25, 2014, 10:49:25 PM
it was just over two weeks ago that the papers reported arrests "in the very near future" - patience dear Faithlilly, patience.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on June 30, 2014, 12:12:21 PM
MI5 spies know what happened to Maddie McCann, claims Portuguese detective

MI5 AGENTS know what happened to missing Madeleine McCann but are covering it up, claims former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/1/590x/Untitled-2-485524.jpg)

Kate and Gerry McCann, in Praia da Luz the year Madeleine vanished, are suing Goncalo Amaral (left)


The disgraced detective made the bombshell claim in a Portuguese television documentary that openly mocked Scotland Yard’s new investigation. When asked if people will ever learn what really happened, Mr Amaral responded: “Yes, we will, when MI5 opens the case files, we will find out.

“Don’t forget that the British secret services followed the case right from the beginning. I don’t know if that information will be made available but if it’s like the United States, it takes years to have access to confidential information.”

Mr Amaral, 56, was the officer who co-ordinated the Portuguese police investigation from May 3, 2007, when three-year-old Madeleine vanished from her family’s holiday apartment at Praia da Luz on the Algarve.

After criticising British police he was kicked off the case four months later.

In his latest interview he claims that after two British police dogs were used to searched the McCann’s apartment at the Ocean Club, his team had to take the British person responsible for the operation to Faro Airport.

Amaral, now retired and working as a crime writer, went on: “He’s at the airport waiting for a plane to return to England and he receives a phone call. Then he explains to our colleague that a member of MI5 was at the airport, waiting to talk with him about the result of the investigation.

“Someone has the information, so make the information available.”

There has been suspicion in the senior ranks of Portugal’s police that US and/or British intelligence chiefs have satellite images of the area that could be helpful but have never passed them on.

The latest Scotland Yard squad is apparently working on the theory that Madeleine was abducted by burglars who were also involved in drug trafficking. Mr Amaral said the same theory was put forward by a Yard detective seconded to his team seven years ago.

“It was discussed and completely set aside because it made no sense,” he said. “Nobody has proved the house was broken into, that there was a theft, there are no traces of a break-in. No money, cameras or anything else was taken.”

He said he expects the latest Yard inquiry to wind down soon, without a breakthrough, adding: “They are getting to the point of saying that she is dead.

“They will reach the point of saying that the cadaver can’t be found and the case can’t be solved.”

Mr Amaral will face Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, from Rothley, Leicestershire, at a civil court in Lisbon on July 8.

The couple, who cling to the hope their daughter might be alive, are suing him for £1million for libel over his claim that Madeleine died in the apartment, made in his book The Truth Of The Lie.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/485524/Portuguese-detective-says-MI5-spies-know-what-happened-to-Madeleine-McCann
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on June 30, 2014, 07:37:40 PM
At last?

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-30/scotland-yard-to-question-four-formal-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/ (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-30/scotland-yard-to-question-four-formal-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/)

Scotland Yard is to begin questioning four formal suspects in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, ITV News understands.

Officers will begin questioning the four people - identified as arguidos, meaning formal suspects - tomorrow at a police station in Faro, Portugal.

Eight key witnesses will also be questioned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2014, 07:48:47 PM
At last?

http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-30/scotland-yard-to-question-four-formal-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/ (http://www.itv.com/news/update/2014-06-30/scotland-yard-to-question-four-formal-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/)

Scotland Yard is to begin questioning four formal suspects in the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, ITV News understands.

Officers will begin questioning the four people - identified as arguidos, meaning formal suspects - tomorrow at a police station in Faro, Portugal.

Eight key witnesses will also be questioned.


KEY WITNESSES OF WHAT EXACTLY ?

Merely persons of interest. 8**8:/: 8**8:/:
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2014, 07:50:10 PM

KEY WITNESSES OF WHAT EXACTLY ?

Merely persons of interest. 8**8:/: 8**8:/:

And obviously not suspects, so not arrested
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2014, 07:59:18 PM
And obviously not suspects, so not arrested

the mccanns were not arrested but they were referred to as prime suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2014, 08:03:55 PM
the mccanns were not arrested but they were referred to as prime suspects

They were made aguidos. These 8, who were heralded as going to be imminently arrested, according to the media, are now described as witnesses.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on June 30, 2014, 08:07:14 PM
They were made aguidos. These 8, who were heralded as going to be imminently arrested, according to the media, are now described as witnesses.

so none of these are to be made arguidos
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2014, 08:08:38 PM
so none of these are to be made arguidos

Not according to the report, that status is reserved for a different 4.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 30, 2014, 08:09:14 PM
They were made aguidos. These 8, who were heralded as going to be imminently arrested, according to the media, are now described as witnesses.
The report mentions 4 formal suspects, did you not read that bit?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 30, 2014, 08:10:54 PM
The report mentions 4 formal suspects, did you not read that bit?

Yes, they are an additional 4 and are supposed to be aguidos.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 30, 2014, 08:16:58 PM
it was just over two weeks ago that the papers reported arrests "in the very near future" - patience dear Faithlilly, patience.
There you see?  All it takes is a little patience...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 30, 2014, 09:35:38 PM
Madeleine McCann Police To Interview Suspects
British detectives are back in Portugal to speak to a key witness and several suspects as part of the second phase of their probe.

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have returned to Portugal to question a number of suspects.

They will be speaking to a key witness, as well as several individuals suspected of carrying out burglaries, as part of the second phase of the Scotland Yard probe on the ground in The Algarve.

The same team of British police who were involved in the digging of several sites outside the resort of Praia da Luz earlier in June arrived back in Portugal on Monday.

 Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said: "They will be joining their Portuguese colleagues and sitting in on a series of interviews with, I'm told, first a key witness, and then a number of people who are being described as aguidos (suspects).

"We think that this includes the three or more former workers from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished who are suspected of carrying out a series of burglaries in the months leading up to Madeleine's disappearance.

"Scotland Yard have made it clear for a while, if not publicly, that they are interested in talking to these suspects.

"Now it may be just a question of eliminating them, but they have certainly been flagged up during the Scotland Yard review of the original police investigation by the Portuguese, people of interest who need to be interviewed, who may become, in a sense, more official suspects, but certainly people that Scotland Yard believe could have vital information about Madeleine's disappearance."

 Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007 while her parents Gerry and Kate, from Rothley in Leicestershire, dined with friends nearby.

An area of scrubland to the west of the resort was sealed off by Portuguese police and excavated by the British team on June 2.

Searches of a second and then third site were similarly carried out, with the use of sniffer dogs from South Wales Police, of an area between Praia da Luz and the town of Lagos behind a water treatment plant on June 11.

Sky News also learned an object recovered from the initial searches was sent away for analysis.

Scotland Yard has refused to reveal what intelligence led them to carry out the digs - and to give any updates on their progress.

http://news.sky.com/story/1292497/madeleine-mccann-police-to-interview-suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on June 30, 2014, 09:37:45 PM
Madeleine McCann Police To Interview Suspects
British detectives are back in Portugal to speak to a key witness and several suspects as part of the second phase of their probe.

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have returned to Portugal to question a number of suspects.

They will be speaking to a key witness, as well as several individuals suspected of carrying out burglaries, as part of the second phase of the Scotland Yard probe on the ground in The Algarve.

The same team of British police who were involved in the digging of several sites outside the resort of Praia da Luz earlier in June arrived back in Portugal on Monday.

 Sky's Crime Correspondent Martin Brunt said: "They will be joining their Portuguese colleagues and sitting in on a series of interviews with, I'm told, first a key witness, and then a number of people who are being described as aguidos (suspects).

"We think that this includes the three or more former workers from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished who are suspected of carrying out a series of burglaries in the months leading up to Madeleine's disappearance.

"Scotland Yard have made it clear for a while, if not publicly, that they are interested in talking to these suspects.

"Now it may be just a question of eliminating them, but they have certainly been flagged up during the Scotland Yard review of the original police investigation by the Portuguese, people of interest who need to be interviewed, who may become, in a sense, more official suspects, but certainly people that Scotland Yard believe could have vital information about Madeleine's disappearance."

 Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment in the resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007 while her parents Gerry and Kate, from Rothley in Leicestershire, dined with friends nearby.

An area of scrubland to the west of the resort was sealed off by Portuguese police and excavated by the British team on June 2.

Searches of a second and then third site were similarly carried out, with the use of sniffer dogs from South Wales Police, of an area between Praia da Luz and the town of Lagos behind a water treatment plant on June 11.

Sky News also learned an object recovered from the initial searches was sent away for analysis.

Scotland Yard has refused to reveal what intelligence led them to carry out the digs - and to give any updates on their progress.

http://news.sky.com/story/1292497/madeleine-mccann-police-to-interview-suspects

and the digs resulted in what exactly ?

Oh i know , more holes in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on June 30, 2014, 09:39:48 PM
Martin Brunt on video

Scroll down for video[hopefully]

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/video/police-quiz-madeleine-suspects-191003193.html

Pls can anyone present it as a straight video that only has to be clicked on to get it going.  Thanks in anticipation

The main video has, surprise, surprise, vanished.  How long before this one is disabled?


To Heriberto Janosch
All I can say is "Thankyou Heri, for letting us know about this".  Truly exciting news.



I have the names you forecast about six months ago.  Am hoping that you held the golden key to solving this crime. 
You have done such a huge amount of investigative work.  Fingers crossed for you, Heri
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on June 30, 2014, 11:01:52 PM
Yeah right

Soz Faith .... but that is kinda straws, grasping at, dont you think?
Yes, I think so.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on June 30, 2014, 11:03:54 PM
Yeah right

Soz Faith .... but that is kinda straws, grasping at, dont you think?

It's a perfectly logical assumption sadie. Whether I'm right or not remains to be seen.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on June 30, 2014, 11:53:23 PM
Video news report (in portuguese) from SIC Noticias containing 2007 archive footage
http://noticias.sapo.pt/videos/sic-noticias_5759/53b1be3a4e40537667000029/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 01, 2014, 01:58:44 PM
Search dogs are back in Portugal to continue the programme of ground searches.
http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/search-dogs-back-in-portugal-for-new-madeleine-search-30398070.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 01, 2014, 05:30:27 PM
No, very different


When The Mccanns were made Arguidos, there was no need for evidence against them. 

The Law was changed soon after and it was thought by many that Amaral had NO evidence and in his eagerness to charge them he rushed the Argiodo status in order thta he had them in his clutches.

No evidence , Stephen .... just Amarals ideas, which had no grounding.

It wan't just Amaral sadie . >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 02, 2014, 12:28:51 AM
Officially the PJ have made it plain they are ploughing their own furrow, which might be fine if eventually they converge with the Met.  There are possible advantages to seperate investigations particularly if the information is being pooled and as long as the Met have the permissions to do what they want to do I think things will be fine.

It is my opinion there is a faction in Portugal who are anxious to cause friction between the Met and the PJ.  Quite simply, they want to throw a spanner in the works. Insidious leaking to the press is a favoured method.

I don't think it is working out for them as far as disruption goes.  The PJ and the Met want this case brought to a satisfactory conclusion. Certainly the PJ don't want to end up with any more egg on their face as in 2007.
I think the present PJ and Met teams have a good working relationship going.
So I think it is wait and see time.

And of course the Met don't want another fiasco like the Tia Sharpe case.

In the end whether the supporters like it or not the PJ have primacy in this case and SY can ask a thousand suspects a million questions and.dig up half of the Algarve  but if the evidence the PJ have suggests another theory ie a foreigner who has left the country then that is the theory that will be followed.

The bald truth is that tens of millions of pounds could be spent by the tax payer on SY's investigation but they have no power to take the evidence they have forward and without Portuguese agreement all that money will have been squandered for no outcome at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on July 02, 2014, 10:34:28 AM
The English ask for the arguidos’ DNA - The Four Arguidos Revealed

- Illegal means were suggested
- Suspects have started to be questioned

Jornal de Notícias (paper & epaper editions)
by Marisa Rodrigues
02.07.2014

The British police went as far as asking the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) to collect fingerprints and the DNA profile of the four suspects that have now been made arguidos. Furtively, if necessary.

The request is included in a rogatory letter from July last year, but it was challenged by the PJ, because it is illegal. Upon request from Scotland Yard and with approval from the Public Ministry, the suspects were formally made arguidos, yesterday, by inspectors from the PJ’s Southern Directory, in Faro.

At least two of the arguidos were not accompanied by lawyers, that have been nominated in the meantime so the questioning could take place. A list containing over 250 questions awaited them. The majority accepted to answer. The questions were made by the Polícia Judiciária’s inspectors, in the presence of British detectives that could not intervene.

JN knows that the questioning was concluded at the start of the evening and the arguidos are not due to return to the Directory. The last one leaving, at around 20h30, was Sergey Malinka, a Russian citizen with Portuguese nationality, who had already been investigated in 2007, in the Portuguese case. His computers were seized and home searches were made, but nothing relevant was found. He was a friend of Robert Murat, a former arguido in the Portuguese process.

The other suspects are José da Silva, a former Ocean Club driver, Paulo Jorge Ribeiro, unemployed, who suffers from schizophrenia, and Ricardo Jorge, who was then 16 years old. They live in Praia da Luz, some of them near the terrain where the searches took place one month ago. Scotland Yard believes that they planned to burgle the apartment where the McCanns were spending a holiday. But Madeleine woke up and was killed, so she wouldn’t be able to identify them, and the body was carried by one of them, down the streets that were filled with tourists. A theory that makes absolutely no sense for the PJ.

From today, 11 witnesses start being questioned, also at Scotland Yard’s request.

Sniffer dogs for searches in cars

The English authorities are accompanied by sniffer dogs from the United Kingdom, in case after the interrogations and the making of arguidos, it turns out to be necessary to perform searches, for example in cars. The dogs are the same that recently participated in searches on grounds in the Algarve. Earlier in the investigation, in 2007, two dogs (Eddie and Keela) helped collect indicia.



Arguidos: Facts that the English consider to be compromising

Sergei Malinka, businessman, aged 30
Back in 2007, he was a suspect and a target of searches by the PJ. Now, he is again because he discarded a sofa that was analysed by forensic experts and contained hairs that were similar to others found in the McCanns’ apartment. There is also a conversation that was reported in second hand and supposedly heard near Malinka’s home, about a body that had to be disposed of. The English valued the fact that, at the time, the Russian’s car was torched and someone wrote the word “fala” [“talk”] on the sidewalk.

José Silva, former driver, aged 38
He worked at the Ocean Club and the English point him out as the person who chose the apartments that were to be broken into in the resort and was in charge of checking the tourists’ movements. Scotland Yard says that he is compromised by phone calls that he made to other arguidos on the night of the disappearance and his similarity with the e-fit that was based on the description from an Irish family that was on holiday in Praia da Luz. He is allegedly the famous man who was seen carrying a child.

Paulo Ribeiro, aged 50
He became a suspect for the English policemen because foreign tourists described his odd behaviour and his presence near the McCanns’ apartment before the disappearance. A sufferer of mental illness, he was also denounced through his similarity with another e-fit based on the deposition of witnesses who identified him as a beggar and because he knew one of the other arguidos with whom he spoke on the phone on the day of the crime.

Ricardo Rodrigues, aged 23
He was 16 at the time of the disappearance and the Englishpeople connect him to the case because of phone calls that he made before the fateful moment and on that same day, including one call to Paulo Ribeiro. Another of the allegedly incriminating arguments is the fact that he fits the description that was made by witnesses of one of the two beggars and a suspect of burglaries in the area of Praia da Luz. Against him there is also the fact that he lives close to some of the other men that were now made arguidos upon request from the English policemen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on July 02, 2014, 02:50:31 PM
Madeleine - Police question four suspects
The Portugal News · 02-07-2014

Portuguese police in Faro are set to continue questioning suspects and witnesses today in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

(http://www.theportugalnews.com/uploads/news/MADELEINE_4_3.jpg)

Yesterday, four Portuguese nationals were declared arguidos or suspects upon entering the PJ police headquarters in Faro. It is believed some of them might return for further questioning today.

The current phase of the investigation comes after Scotland Yard called on their Portuguese counterparts to question a number of people of interest in their bid to explain the disappearance of Madeleine McCann more than seven years ago.

www.theportugalnews.com/news/madeleine-police-question-four-suspects/31986
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 02, 2014, 03:28:22 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28123433

So 'no further forward than seven years ago '.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 03:43:20 PM
If this is reported correctly, then SY must be very disappointed, but at least its 4 more crossed off the list.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 03:53:43 PM
If this is reported correctly, then SY must be very disappointed, but at least its 4 more crossed off the list.
Have they concluded their interviews then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 02, 2014, 03:56:41 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28123433

So 'no further forward than seven years ago '.

everyone can see how apoplectic you are that SY are looking at others having told the world that the mccanns are not suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 03:58:14 PM
We have a Portuguese source close to the PJ saying that the interviews were concluded yesterday with no new information discovered and we have Martin Brunt telling us the interviews will conclude later today - so who is right?

ETA: it was Neil Connery of ITV, not Martin Brunt.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 03:59:28 PM
Have they concluded their interviews then?


According to that BBC report it would appear so. The source said 'we are no further forward', which would imply he was from SY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 04:00:19 PM
We have a Portuguese source close to the PJ saying that the interviews were concluded yesterday with no new information discovered and we have Martin Brunt telling us the interviews will conclude later today - so who is right?

He may or may not have been referring to the other 8.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 04:00:42 PM


According to that BBC report it would appear so. The source said 'we are no further forward', which would imply he was from SY
From a few minutes ago:

Neil Connery @neilconneryitv · 4m

Sources close to #McCann inquiry tell ITV News all interviews with witnesses should be over by end of day.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 04:01:33 PM
He may or may not have been referring to the other 8.
Ah right, yes that's possible.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 02, 2014, 04:53:16 PM


According to that BBC report it would appear so. The source said 'we are no further forward', which would imply he was from SY

I don't think so Jassi. I distrust unnamed sources or sources close to ... so far the Met have been punctilious in keeping their silence and have spoken only officially.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on July 02, 2014, 05:00:56 PM
I don't think so Jassi. I distrust unnamed sources or sources close to ... so far the Met have been punctilious in keeping their silence and have spoken only officially.

Exactly Brietta....The Met are not going to leak every little detail they have of any suspects....unlike some I could mention...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 05:12:56 PM
I don't think so Jassi. I distrust unnamed sources or sources close to ... so far the Met have been punctilious in keeping their silence and have spoken only officially.

You think what you like, I was merely quoting a respectable  mainstream news outlet.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 05:15:28 PM
You think what you like, I was merely quoting a respectable  mainstream news outlet.
Quoting but putting your own interpretation on it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 05:18:20 PM
Quoting but putting your own interpretation on it.

Not putting any interpretation of what was said, only on who the source might be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 05:18:58 PM
Not putting any interpretation of what was said, only on who the source might be.
Speculating then.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 05:19:41 PM
Speculating then.

Isn't that what we all do?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on July 02, 2014, 05:27:27 PM
We have a Portuguese source close to the PJ saying that the interviews were concluded yesterday with no new information discovered and we have Martin Brunt telling us the interviews will conclude later today - so who is right?

ETA: it was Neil Connery of ITV, not Martin Brunt.


Madeleine Suspect Quizzed For Second Day

3:12pm UK, Wednesday 02 July 2014

One of four suspects is being quizzed further in the latest phase of the investigation into the three-year-old's disappearance.

http://news.sky.com/story/1293726/madeleine-suspect-quizzed-for-second-day
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 05:31:26 PM

Madeleine Suspect Quizzed For Second Day

3:12pm UK, Wednesday 02 July 2014

One of four suspects is being quizzed further in the latest phase of the investigation into the three-year-old's disappearance.

http://news.sky.com/story/1293726/madeleine-suspect-quizzed-for-second-day
Interesting - so why would a SY source allegedly be leaking last night that all suspect interviews had been concluded, unless of course the source wasn't SY at all, or indeed anyone particularly close to current events...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on July 02, 2014, 05:33:40 PM
Interesting - so why would a SY source allegedly be leaking last night that all suspect interviews had been concluded, unless of course the source wasn't SY at all, or indeed anyone particularly close to current events...

It's clear from other sentences that accompany that quote, one a reference to 'hostilities' and one a remark about SY refusing to comment, that the 'source' is in fact of Portuguese origin. I would also infer that this particular source has an agenda.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 02, 2014, 05:37:25 PM
It's clear from other sentences that accompany that quote, one a reference to 'hostilities' and one a remark about SY refusing to comment, that the 'source' is in fact of Portuguese origin. I would also infer that this particular source has an agenda.
Yes, it's definitely got the whiff of something I can imagine Amaral or one of his cronies trotting out.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on July 02, 2014, 07:05:54 PM
Also, the PT press is reporting that, according to the rogatory letters, SY wanted to obtain fingerprints and DNA from the alleged suspects illegally, without going through the proper authorities and chain of custody. Needless to say, the PJ quashed that idea.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Victoria on July 02, 2014, 08:04:27 PM
Also, the PT press is reporting that, according to the rogatory letters, SY wanted to obtain fingerprints and DNA from the alleged suspects illegally, without going through the proper authorities and chain of custody. Needless to say, the PJ quashed that idea.

The PT press can't even make up its mind about the ages of the new arguidos according to you, so who cares what they have to say about anything else?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 02, 2014, 08:06:35 PM
The PT press can't even make up its mind about the ages of the news arguidos  according to you, so who cares what they have to say about anything else?  @)(++(*

I fancy you exaggerate a little. There seems to be some confusion over the age of only one person.

Remain in denial as long as you like.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2014, 01:51:40 AM
Madeleine McCann suspects kept regular phone contact, police say

Three suspects were in phone contact with each other during Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, police say.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 3rd July 2014

Madeleine McCann, missing, Portugal, disappearance, child, baby, holiday, police, suspects MISSING: Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007 [PA]

Detectives believe they were targeting the family until the moment the alarm was raised about Madeleine vanishing.

They have uncovered a series of eight calls and texts suggesting they were monitoring her parents, Kate and Gerry, before a raid on their apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May, 2007.

Detectives are trying to discover if they intended to carry out a burglary or if they had a more sinister motive for watching the McCanns.

The first call was placed by Suspect A, a 51-year-old heroin addict, to Suspect B, a beggar then aged just 16, at 12.08pm the day before Madeleine vanished.

B then swapped four phone calls and texts with Suspect C, a 33-year-old ex-Ocean Club driver with convictions for theft, on May 3.

The first was at 5.26pm, at the precise time when Madeleine was leaving the resort’s crèche.

A text message was exchanged at 9.25pm when two of the McCanns’ holiday pals left their dinner in a tapas bar to check on the group’s children who were asleep in the nearby apartments.

The two suspects were in contact again at 9.38pm when one of the McCanns’ pals Jane Tanner left the restaurant to check on her children.

They were in touch again at 9.51pm as Madeleine’s GP mum walked to her apartment to find her then three-year-old daughter missing.

“According to a Portuguese news­paper, thefts had tripled at the Ocean Club at the time Madeleine vanished”
Later that evening, A made three calls from a public phone box in the resort to B.

Police have still not traced a man seen carrying a sleeping blonde girl in pyjamas towards the resort’s beach at 10pm.

Yesterday Scotland Yard officers including Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood joined Portuguese detectives continuing to investigate the three men linked by the calls.

Sources said suspicious hair had also been found that did not match Madeleine’s DNA. According to Portuguese newspapers a request to obtain DNA and fingerprints from the three men was refused.

They deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and have answered more than 250 police questions.

Yesterday Brit police sniffer dogs were brought in to examine the cars of suspects A and C.

According to a Portuguese news­paper, thefts had tripled at the Ocean Club at the time Madeleine vanished.

None of the men commented as they left a police station in Faro.

A friend of Suspect A, whom a private detective hired by the McCanns said would “do anything for his next fix”, insisted he was innocent.

“He was indoors the night Madeleine disappeared,’’ his pal said.

“It’s inhuman a sick man like him has been dragged before the police.’’

A fourth suspect, a Russian, was also questioned. Yesterday police officers were quizzing eight people as witnesses.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/386992/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-kept-regular-phone-contact
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on July 03, 2014, 05:12:26 AM
So according to the BBC last night the interviews of 4 people have been completed and nothing new, no further developments reported.

What a surprise NOT.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28123433
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 03, 2014, 06:49:13 AM
So according to the BBC last night the interviews of 4 people have been completed and nothing new, no further developments reported.

What a surprise NOT.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-28123433

The papers seem rather quiet on this.

The 'star' being somewhat economical with the truth, to say the least. Implying the links point to these people being involved in the case AS 'SUSPECTS'.

Now that's a bit of wee magic. Otherwise called clutching at micro straws.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2014, 07:24:30 AM
The papers seem rather quiet on this.

The 'star' being somewhat economical with the truth, to say the least. Implying the links point to these people being involved in the case AS 'SUSPECTS'.

Now that's a bit of wee magic. Otherwise called clutching at micro straws.....

I expect the next step will be rog letters to get the dna and fingerprints
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 03, 2014, 07:39:32 AM
I expect the next step will be rog letters to get the dna and fingerprints

They have said no already.

Why should they change theiir minds ?

and under what obligation are they to follow the orders of SY ?

The PJ probably already know the interviews were a complete waste of time.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2014, 07:50:53 AM
They have said no already.

Why should they change theiir minds ?

and under what obligation are they to follow the orders of SY ?

The PJ probably already know the interviews were a complete waste of time.

They said no to the interviews..remember..perhaps not...they were then forced to agree as I predicted...I see the same happening with dna and prints
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 03, 2014, 07:51:30 AM
They were in touch again at 9.51pm as Madeleine’s GP mum walked to her apartment to find her then three-year-old daughter missing.

That's interesting. I've been telling you guys that time for months when Kate left the table i.e. alarm raised before 10pm and everyone was shouting she left at 10pm LOL. At least I know they may be working from a correct timeline i.e. same as mine and GM said his incorrect exact 10:03. I wonder what they think about that 10:03 and what it connects to >@@(*&)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 03, 2014, 07:53:12 AM
They are actually very interesting times altogether.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 03, 2014, 07:58:17 AM
They said no to the interviews..remember..perhaps not...they were then forced to agree as I predicted...I see the same happening with dna and prints

Or they could say, pizz off and stop wasting our time and money on false leads, which you know are being used to justify spending a load of UK tax payers money.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 03, 2014, 08:05:32 AM
Or they could say, pizz off and stop wasting our time and money on false leads, which you know are being used to justify spending a load of UK tax payers money.

This us exactly what posters said last time ...have you forgotten
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2014, 09:04:21 AM
Madeleine McCann suspects kept regular phone contact, police say

Three suspects were in phone contact with each other during Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, police say.

By Jerry Lawton/Published 3rd July 2014

Madeleine McCann, missing, Portugal, disappearance, child, baby, holiday, police, suspects MISSING: Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007 [PA]

Detectives believe they were targeting the family until the moment the alarm was raised about Madeleine vanishing.

They have uncovered a series of eight calls and texts suggesting they were monitoring her parents, Kate and Gerry, before a raid on their apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May, 2007.

Detectives are trying to discover if they intended to carry out a burglary or if they had a more sinister motive for watching the McCanns.

The first call was placed by Suspect A, a 51-year-old heroin addict, to Suspect B, a beggar then aged just 16, at 12.08pm the day before Madeleine vanished.

B then swapped four phone calls and texts with Suspect C, a 33-year-old ex-Ocean Club driver with convictions for theft, on May 3.

The first was at 5.26pm, at the precise time when Madeleine was leaving the resort’s crèche.

A text message was exchanged at 9.25pm when two of the McCanns’ holiday pals left their dinner in a tapas bar to check on the group’s children who were asleep in the nearby apartments.

The two suspects were in contact again at 9.38pm when one of the McCanns’ pals Jane Tanner left the restaurant to check on her children.

They were in touch again at 9.51pm as Madeleine’s GP mum walked to her apartment to find her then three-year-old daughter missing.

“According to a Portuguese news­paper, thefts had tripled at the Ocean Club at the time Madeleine vanished”
Later that evening, A made three calls from a public phone box in the resort to B.

Police have still not traced a man seen carrying a sleeping blonde girl in pyjamas towards the resort’s beach at 10pm.

Yesterday Scotland Yard officers including Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood joined Portuguese detectives continuing to investigate the three men linked by the calls.

Sources said suspicious hair had also been found that did not match Madeleine’s DNA. According to Portuguese newspapers a request to obtain DNA and fingerprints from the three men was refused.

They deny any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance and have answered more than 250 police questions.

Yesterday Brit police sniffer dogs were brought in to examine the cars of suspects A and C.

According to a Portuguese news­paper, thefts had tripled at the Ocean Club at the time Madeleine vanished.

None of the men commented as they left a police station in Faro.

A friend of Suspect A, whom a private detective hired by the McCanns said would “do anything for his next fix”, insisted he was innocent.

“He was indoors the night Madeleine disappeared,’’ his pal said.

“It’s inhuman a sick man like him has been dragged before the police.’’

A fourth suspect, a Russian, was also questioned. Yesterday police officers were quizzing eight people as witnesses.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/386992/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-kept-regular-phone-contact

I’m never too sure about ‘revelations’ in the tabloids but I found the way this one was structured quite interesting. 

I do not think this is a Portuguese leak.

I felt a chill when I read it. 

I do not believe the communications on the night before Madeleine was taken and the communications at key times on the 3rd were the prelude to arranging a burglary to steal tourists’ mobile phones or watches. 
They were after something far more valuable. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on July 03, 2014, 10:49:30 AM
I’m never too sure about ‘revelations’ in the tabloids but I found the way this one was structured quite interesting. 

I do not think this is a Portuguese leak.

I felt a chill when I read it. 

I do not believe the communications on the night before Madeleine was taken and the communications at key times on the 3rd were the prelude to arranging a burglary to steal tourists’ mobile phones or watches. 
They were after something far more valuable.
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A very valid point IMO Brietta.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 03, 2014, 10:52:10 AM
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A very valid point IMO Brietta.

Valid in what way ?

It's pure speculation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 03, 2014, 11:04:06 AM
You can believe that a green spotted fairy might tap you on the back every ten minutes, but it doesn't make it true anymore than your last sentence.

It's called wishful thinking.

I know you would much prefer the investigation to be steering a different course and interviewing people of your choosing. 
Whether or not one is naïve enough to believe slavishly everything which is printed in the tabloids anxious for a story, any story; there is no doubt that the Met are following a line of inquiry which does not touch on your preferred option. 

We know from the files that there is unaccounted for forensic evidence collected from apartment 5a. 

It will be interesting to see if that takes us anywhere when the necessary permissions are granted to check it out. 

My "wishful thinking" is that the current investigation leads to finding out what happened to Madeleine McCann and apprehending those responsible. 

Until then I am content to allow the police to get on with their job. 

It is plain there are those who do not share that sentiment; but I think there are very worried individuals out there who might be rightly concerned that their seven year break from scrutiny is about to be cancelled.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 03, 2014, 11:08:54 AM
I’m never too sure about ‘revelations’ in the tabloids but I found the way this one was structured quite interesting. 

I do not think this is a Portuguese leak.

I felt a chill when I read it. 

I do not believe the communications on the night before Madeleine was taken and the communications at key times on the 3rd were the prelude to arranging a burglary to steal tourists’ mobile phones or watches. 
They were after something far more valuable.

So if it's not a Portuguese leak are you suggesting SY are leaking information ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 03, 2014, 07:19:35 PM
They were in touch again at 9.51pm as Madeleine’s GP mum walked to her apartment to find her then three-year-old daughter missing.

That's interesting. I've been telling you guys that time for months when Kate left the table i.e. alarm raised before 10pm and everyone was shouting she left at 10pm LOL. At least I know they may be working from a correct timeline i.e. same as mine and GM said his incorrect exact 10:03. I wonder what they think about that 10:03 and what it connects to >@@(*&)

So they know Smithmans true identity. 9:51 Kate leaves table. Remember 10:03! It only connects to one thing!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 04, 2014, 01:26:52 PM

I doubt if the Portugal News was singled out to be reminded of Portuguese law; but does anyone bother?

Apparently not. 

The same article quotes the usual ‘sources’ and the Mirror has picked up on Portuguese TV station SIC which has broken news of further information regarding the Smith sighting. 

Interesting though as reference is being made to a new witness, and we do know that witnesses as well as arguidos were interviewed.

From the Portugal News

Following the questioning which took place in Faro this week, the Attorney-General’s office in Lisbon sent a statement to The Portugal News reiterating the country’s strict secrecy laws which govern ongoing investigations.

“In the context of judicial cooperation requested by the English authorities, the investigation has been pursued as planned according to the respective responsible parties.
We reaffirm that the content of the requests made by the British authorities is confidential and the Attorney General’s Office will not make any comments on the matter” the statement read.
http://www.newsnow.co.uk/h/Hot+Topics/More+Cases%2C+Trials+&+Inquests/Madeleine+McCann+Investigation

From the Mirror quoting SIC

British cops searching for Madeleine McCann are set to send sniffer dogs into a shop where a suspect was seen with a young child on the night the three-year-old vanished.
And detectives are prepared to fight for a Portuguese court order which would allow them to sweep the building for clues.

But Met officers in the Algarve hope the business owner will open his doors to their search dogs, rather than launch a long court battle.

There were a number of sightings of a man seen carrying a child towards the beach away from the holiday apartments were Madeleine’s family were staying in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Now detectives are looking at a particular building, believed to be along the same route, where a new witness has said they saw a suspect going inside with a girl.

It is understood the new information has been gathered by detectives working on Operation Grange, the UK probe into Madeleine’s disappearance.

The exact location and nature of the shop business has not been revealed.

But up to a dozen UK officers from Operation Grange are still in Portugal today , together with two sniffer dogs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-send-sniffer-3807955#ixzz36V8gJq7Z
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Gadfly on July 04, 2014, 06:08:47 PM
From the Mirror quoting SIC

British cops searching for Madeleine McCann are set to send sniffer dogs into a shop where a suspect was seen with a young child on the night the three-year-old vanished.
And detectives are prepared to fight for a Portuguese court order which would allow them to sweep the building for clues.

But Met officers in the Algarve hope the business owner will open his doors to their search dogs, rather than launch a long court battle.

There were a number of sightings of a man seen carrying a child towards the beach away from the holiday apartments were Madeleine’s family were staying in Praia da Luz in 2007.

Now detectives are looking at a particular building, believed to be along the same route, where a new witness has said they saw a suspect going inside with a girl.

It is understood the new information has been gathered by detectives working on Operation Grange, the UK probe into Madeleine’s disappearance.

The exact location and nature of the shop business has not been revealed.

But up to a dozen UK officers from Operation Grange are still in Portugal today , together with two sniffer dogs.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-send-sniffer-3807955#ixzz36V8gJq7Z
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Not sure how this has got out, but this is a bloody awful approach if it is coming from SY.  All of this type of thing should be done privately.  Only threaten/shame the owner with a story like this AFTER a refusal to cooperate.

The basic argument that SY should be making to leading politicians in Lisbon, the PJ and anyone who needs to be searched is... the sooner this is done, the sooner you can get on with your lives, and we'll be out of your hair.  That said, the Portuguese political authorities have to be praised for their cooperation, even if the PJ have made it clear they would rather sit through a year of root canal surgery rather than help SY solve the biggest case any of them will ever be involved in...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on July 05, 2014, 10:44:15 AM
Interesting.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/british-madeleine-mccann-police-used-abused-portuguese-officers-113025096.html#S1U22cN

It is very interesting indeed this opinion article by the former Interior Minister and current university professor, Rui Pereira. I don't believe that he ever thought that his article would be commented in the British press and Yahoo.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 05, 2014, 12:10:03 PM
Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th July 2014

At least one of the "skint" men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.

One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.

Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.

A Portuguese police source said it was "inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet" for so long.

UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns' apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.

The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine's fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387376/Cops-believe-they-are-innocent
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 05, 2014, 12:20:14 PM
So, the burglary arguidos answered all questions put to them, despite their right to remain silent.

Nothing to hide then.

Who left questions unanswered? Oh yes that's right, Kate.

Bearing in mind then, that 'people can have their own opinions of us, but Madeleine is completely innocent in all of this.'

My opinion is, it's because she dunnit.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 05, 2014, 12:20:55 PM
Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th July 2014

At least one of the "skint" men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.

One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.

Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.

A Portuguese police source said it was "inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet" for so long.

UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns' apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.

The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine's fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387376/Cops-believe-they-are-innocent

For once Jerry Lawton has a point.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 05, 2014, 12:26:04 PM
Cash strapped Maddy suspects 'would have grassed'

THE gang accused of killing Madeleine McCann must be innocent because they would have snitched on each other to pocket the reward.

By Jerry Lawton / Published 5th July 2014

At least one of the "skint" men would have broken ranks, Portuguese police believe.

One was a heroin addict, the second a 16-year-old beggar and the third a driver who police believe organised thefts from apartments in Praia da Luz where the McCanns stayed.

Police and UK newspapers offered rewards totalling more than £2.5million for information that cracked the case. Yet in the seven years since no-one has come forward to claim the cash.

A Portuguese police source said it was "inconceivable that humble people with limited financial resources could keep quiet" for so long.

UK detectives believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled break-in at the McCanns' apartment in May 2007 by a gang of thieves who then buried her on wasteground near the scene.

The three suspects denied all knowledge of Madeleine's fate when quizzed by British detectives this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387376/Cops-believe-they-are-innocent

Omerta?? and the knowledge that you would be unable to enjoy spending one euro of your 'reward' either because you would have to incriminate yourself or because someone had topped you.
We don't have any idea of the type who may be associated with this crime, but these folk if they are criminals most certainly do.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2014, 01:03:57 PM
Omerta?? and the knowledge that you would be unable to enjoy spending one euro of your 'reward' either because you would have to incriminate yourself or because someone had topped you.
We don't have any idea of the type who may be associated with this crime, but these folk if they are criminals most certainly do.

Omerta is certainly something I've wondered about. Few people would feel comfortable reporting their neighbours or associates unless total confidentiality could be assured.

Several people have contacted the police to report what may well have been genuine doubts, others may have  reacted spontaneously without actually any real grounds for any number of reasons, and yet others may have had less honourable intentions.

With the constant drip from PT sources and the subsequent uploading of files onto the Internet once the case was archived, people with genuine information or doubts may have been too scared to come forward. That would seem to be the advantage of Crimestoppers (which guarantees anonymity) and the appeals via Crimewatch.

It must be bad enough if people live far apart from each other or don't even know each other, but snitching on someone local may make people fear retaliation and / or ostracisation.

Then there is the issue of what happens if the person snitching was actually in an illegal situation or involved in unrelated illegal practices of some kind? Is there any provision in PT law for any kind of amnesty arrangement?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on July 05, 2014, 01:28:49 PM
The fact that Mrs Murat put up a table for the 'locals' to leave any information they might have - but who she thought would be too scared to approach the PJ with it -  spoke volumes about the Portuguese' 'Joe Bloggs' lack of trust in their own police force.   Or maybe it was just a certain element of the PJ - who knows.

IMO It could be that there were Portuguse witnesses who did have information but decided it was safer to simply not get involved.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 05, 2014, 01:32:58 PM
The fact that Mrs Murat put up a table for the 'locals' to leave any information they might have - but who she thought would be too scared to approach the PJ with it -  spoke volumes about the Portuguese' 'Joe Bloggs' lack of trust in their own police force.   Or maybe it was just a certain element of the PJ - who knows.

IMO It could be that there were Portuguse witnesses who did have information but decided it was safer to simply not get involved.

I would also suggest, that due to the overwhelming and intrusive press presence in PDL, some people didn't come forward to give witness statements.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 05, 2014, 02:13:36 PM
The fact that Mrs Murat put up a table for the 'locals' to leave any information they might have - but who she thought would be too scared to approach the PJ with it -  spoke volumes about the Portuguese' 'Joe Bloggs' lack of trust in their own police force.   Or maybe it was just a certain element of the PJ - who knows.

IMO It could be that there were Portuguse witnesses who did have information but decided it was safer to simply not get involved.

Yes, it seems that Jenny's stand was a low-tech version of Crimestopppers, and an info point for any visitors who were due to go home and wouldn't have felt too keen on spending ages to get to and report to a police station. Bless her, she was trying to help.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 05, 2014, 10:27:23 PM
No........it was stated in the post I replied to that "SY had undoubtedly uncovered evidence that supports the abduction theory"

If so a death in the apartment is impossible......so why would SY make the comment?
I don't know why you people find this so difficult to understand.  Sy have uncovered evidence that fits with the scenario that Madeleine was removed from the apartment by one or more local men.  She may have been removed alive, she may have been killed prior to being removed.  Which part of this is not compatible with anything I have written or that SY have announced?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Gadfly on July 05, 2014, 11:03:09 PM
These people are a bit daft when it comes to understand how both the investigative and prosecutory aspects of justice work.

They disregard the testimony of nine witnesses on the scene, a sighting, phone data.  Oh and the very fact that a little girl was missing.

They must think legal cases need CSI-esque levels of forensic corroboration.

And they must also believe that detectives should only accept evidence of an abduction if it was filmed like in the James Bulger case.

Truth be told, its their identity now.   I'd be interested to see how many of them remember little Madeleine when they come on here as opposed to just wishing to disrupt any discussion surrounding the new investigation / wanting to demoralise anyone with a basic degree of analysis to the extent that they just leave the discussions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2014, 07:52:04 AM
Just 875 yards from where Madeleine McCann disappeared – an abandoned well that police failed to search

    Ex-Scotland Yard detective urges police to search scrubland used by gypsies
    Hidden from the nearby road, the well drops 30ft down to 12ft-deep water
Mail on Sunday revealed a prime suspect may have worked at a water treatment plant just 220 yards from the well

By Andrew Young In Praia Da Luz, Portugal

Published: 22:01, 5 July 2014 | Updated: 01:55, 6 July 2014

A former Scotland Yard commander has urged British police to search an abandoned well just 875 yards from the apartment where Madeleine McCann vanished.

The Mail on Sunday has established that the uncovered shaft is on scrubland used as a campsite by Roma gipsies – and has been overlooked by Portuguese police.

Hidden from the nearby road, the well drops 30ft down to 12ft-deep water.

‘It is clearly known to locals and possibly to local criminals as a place to discard evidence from petty crime, such as handbags and other unwanted stolen items,’ said Roy Ramm, who served 27 years with the Metropolitan Police force and, as Commander of Specialist Operations, dealt with serious crime, from murder to rape and human trafficking.

He added: ‘Whoever abducted Madeleine knew the local streets, alleyways and scrubland and used that knowledge to avoid detection.’

Three years ago British police began a new investigation into the disappearance of three-year-old Madeleine – the daughter of Kate and Gerry McCann – who vanished from their holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007.
Met officers recently searched scrubland near the resort, but they have not examined the well.

Local authorities only allowed British police to check areas where ground anomalies picked up by aerial surveys might indicate a grave site.

Mr Ramm said: ‘If this had been a Yard-led inquiry from the outset, there is no doubt that the search would have been wider and more effective than that conducted by the Portuguese police.

'The well would have been searched thoroughly at the time, probably by using divers to get to the bottom of this very difficult and dangerous shaft.’

Mr Ramm added: ‘The Portuguese authorities have come a long way in letting the Yard conduct any inquiries, but they need now to take the final step and ensure the Yard team can conduct a really thorough search wherever they want. And in my experience that should include the well.’

Both Scotland Yard and the Portuguese police declined to discuss whether the well had featured in their investigations. Local residents said they could not recall ever seeing any police activity in its vicinity.

From where Madeleine was snatched, her abductor could reach the well by walking 400 yards through empty back streets, climbing a low metal gate and continuing the rest of the way over scrubland.

The Mail on Sunday revealed last month that a prime suspect may have worked at a water treatment plant just 220 yards from the well.

Heroin addict Euclides Monteiro, who died in 2009, was suspected of kidnapping Madeleine in a botched burglary after mobile phone records placed him near the McCanns’ apartment when she disappeared.

Last Tuesday, at the request of British officers, local police quizzed four Portuguese suspects – including Russian-born Sergey Malinka, 29, who was questioned as a witness in 2007. British police sat in on interviews, but sources suggest they led to no new developments.


The well is on land owned by two wealthy British property developers, who were unaware of its existence until The Mail on Sunday contacted them last week.

The plot includes a derelict farmhouse surrounded by rubble and  litter, including a pile of English paperback novels. An old mattress inside the tumbledown building  suggests someone once slept there.

One of the owners, who asked not to be identified, said: ‘If they want to search on the land we have got no problem with it. We are not going  to stand in anyone’s way, but no one has contacted us.’

The McCanns’ spokesman said yesterday: ‘Kate and Gerry continue to have full confidence in the work being carried out by the Met Police but will not comment on it.’

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2681763/875-yards-Maddie-disappeared-abandoned-police-failed-search.html#ixzz36e7nYDH8



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 06, 2014, 03:27:40 PM

Wouldn't they need a diver to investigate a 30 feet well with 12 feet of water in the bottom?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 06, 2014, 03:44:19 PM
Wouldn't they need a diver to investigate a 30 feet well with 12 feet of water in the bottom?

I don't quite understand the alleged need for a diver in narrow and no doubt dangerous wells. Surely tiny cameras on a cable could have shown anything suspicious?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 06, 2014, 03:49:27 PM
I don't quite understand the alleged need for a diver in narrow and no doubt dangerous wells. Surely tiny cameras on a cable could have shown anything suspicious?

It depends on how murky it is.  This well has been abandoned for some considerable time and is probably knee deep in silt.  God knows what could be down there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 06, 2014, 04:02:29 PM
It depends on how murky it is.  This well has been abandoned for some considerable time and is probably knee deep in silt.  God knows what could be down there.


These days cameras can check out your intestines and I doubt that there is much light there either... so why couldn't they check out a well?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 06, 2014, 04:07:46 PM
It depends on how murky it is.  This well has been abandoned for some considerable time and is probably knee deep in silt.  God knows what could be down there.

Silt could be an issue, but I'm not sure how a diver would be best placed for the task. In this century, with successful microsurgery, there must be tiny hoovers that can scoop up silt as needed as opposed to a diver flapping around in a dangerous well.

Would silt have been an issue if these inspections had been done in the early days?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 06, 2014, 10:58:17 PM
"The timing of the Met’s searches has caused dismay in Praia da Luz, which relies on tourism to survive".     
                                                                                                                                           
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-angry-backlash-british-3821913

Oh dear, not at all the way at all to encourage British tourists.
 
The STOP signs and the walls daubed with anti British graffiti are displaying a town not of luz but of darkness, where the rape of British children in what should have been the safety of their beds is ignored; where the police investigation into the abduction of a British child is deplored. 

But never mind all that … just come on in Brits and give us your euros … whether we have contempt for you or not. 

Are these people mad? 

Their obscene behaviour and toleration of crimes against children will kill their tourist trade.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 11:42:04 PM
"The timing of the Met’s searches has caused dismay in Praia da Luz, which relies on tourism to survive".                                                                                                                                                  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-angry-backlash-british-3821913

Oh dear, not at all the way at all to encourage British tourists.
 
The STOP signs and the walls daubed with anti British graffiti are displaying a town not of luz but of darkness, where the rape of British children in what should have been the safety of their beds is ignored; where the police investigation into the abduction of a British child is deplored. 

But never mind all that … just come on in Brits and give us your euros … whether we have contempt for you or not. 

Are these people mad? 

Their obscene behaviour and toleration of crimes against children will kill their tourist trade.

Not anti British at all, a large percentage of the residents in PDL are British.

What I find strange is that if there is this awful paedophile who is breaking into holidaymakers flats to molest their children why are SY not trying to find him instead of questioning a group of burglars who allegedly killed Madeleine during a burglary ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 06, 2014, 11:45:02 PM
"The timing of the Met’s searches has caused dismay in Praia da Luz, which relies on tourism to survive".                                                                                                                                                  http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-angry-backlash-british-3821913

Oh dear, not at all the way at all to encourage British tourists.
 
The STOP signs and the walls daubed with anti British graffiti are displaying a town not of luz but of darkness, where the rape of British children in what should have been the safety of their beds is ignored; where the police investigation into the abduction of a British child is deplored. 

But never mind all that … just come on in Brits and give us your euros … whether we have contempt for you or not. 

Are these people mad? 

Their obscene behaviour and toleration of crimes against children will kill their tourist trade.
This is being orchestrated.   It is not the work of an ordinary PT resident


http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3820955.ece/alternates/s615/Stop-signs-in-Praia-de-Luz-near-Lagos-in-Portugal-UK_Justice_Forum.jpg

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3820955.ece/alternates/s615/Stop-signs-in-Praia-de-Luz-near-Lagos-in-Portugal-UK_Justice_Forum .jpg)

The stencil for this has been manufactured by someone who knows what he is doing.  It has also been carefully positioned on the sign.  Professional stuff.


PROPAGANDA again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 06, 2014, 11:48:52 PM
This is being orchestrated.   It is not the work of an ordinary PT resident


http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3820955.ece/alternates/s615/Stop-signs-in-Praia-de-Luz-near-Lagos-in-Portugal.jpg

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3820955.ece/alternates/s615/Stop-signs-in-Praia-de-Luz-near-Lagos-in-Portugal.jpg)

The stencil for this has been manufactured by someone who knows what he is doing.  It has also been carefully positioned on the sign.  Professional stuff.


PROPAGANDA again

All that is needed is a stencil and a can of spray paint.

It's not exactly Banksy, is it !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on July 07, 2014, 12:28:13 AM
This is not doing  well for PDL..and not only re Brits...Today I listened to a conversation about case Madeleine between two people from the different parts of the world..one from Turkey and other from South Africa..I pretended I know nothing about the case ...these both people expressed their shock on recent news and concluded the case was hugely mishandled back in 2007!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 07, 2014, 12:56:06 AM
All that is needed is a stencil and a can of spray paint.

It's not exactly Banksy, is it !
Yep a professional stencil

and someone who had the training and the methodology and time to get it exactly centred, and squared up





someone had planned that in advance

Propaganda
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 07, 2014, 12:59:36 AM
This is not doing  well for PDL..and not only re Brits...Today I listened to a conversation about case Madeleine between two people from the different parts of the world..one from Turkey and other from South Africa..I pretended I know nothing about the case ...these both people expressed their shock on recent news and concluded the case was hugely mishandled back in 2007!

If the world knows, it must be aghast at such uncaring selfish behaviour .... if that is what it is.

But,

Might be the group behind the abduction trying to get the permission for SY to proceed closed down.  Might be getting frightened
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 07, 2014, 01:03:18 AM
Not anti British at all, a large percentage of the residents in PDL are British.

What I find strange is that if there is this awful paedophile who is breaking into holidaymakers flats to molest their children why are SY not trying to find him instead of questioning a group of burglars who allegedly killed Madeleine during a burglary ?
"allegedly killed Madeleine" are your own words?

If not, please can we have a citation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 07, 2014, 01:20:25 AM
If the world knows, it must be aghast at such uncaring selfish behaviour .... if that is what it is.

But,

Might be the group behind the abduction trying to get the permission for SY to proceed closed down.  Might be getting frightened

In my opinion many of these organised campaigns have been organised by persons who have an obvious interest in closing down all inquiry into Madeleine's abduction.
That they tapped into unplumbed depths in the human psyche must have been an unbelievably huge bonus for them and beyond their wildest dreams.

Madeleine's case still sells newspapers throughout the world; there are regular updates on news programmes such as CNN ... I doubt if perceived toleration of criminality will go down well; particularly where children are concerned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 07, 2014, 06:24:09 AM
In my opinion many of these organised campaigns have been organised by persons who have an obvious interest in closing down all inquiry into Madeleine's abduction.
That they tapped into unplumbed depths in the human psyche must have been an unbelievably huge bonus for them and beyond their wildest dreams.

Madeleine's case still sells newspapers throughout the world; there are regular updates on news programmes such as CNN ... I doubt if perceived toleration of criminality will go down well; particularly where children are concerned.

Or perhaps the ordinary people of Praia da Luz are simply sick to death of having their livelihoods wrecked by what has become a rather garish circus.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on July 07, 2014, 07:47:53 AM
Not anti British at all, a large percentage of the residents in PDL are British.

What I find strange is that if there is this awful paedophile who is breaking into holidaymakers flats to molest their children why are SY not trying to find him instead of questioning a group of burglars who allegedly killed Madeleine during a burglary ?


What I find it strange is that the PJ have have known about this monster for years - and their only reaction so far is that they appear to have brushed him well and truly under the carpet.

Why would you assume that SY are not showing any interest in this man?   They would hardly make a public appeal about him on TV and then disregard him.   They have said they are not going to give a running commentary on the case - and so we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

If I lived in Portugal I would be disgusted to think that a serial child abuser had been on the loose for years and no warnings had been issued to the public.   

I wonder how this particular nasty little group of residents of PdL would be reacting if it was the disappearance of one of their own children from their own home that was being investigated at the moment.    Would they be complaining?



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 07, 2014, 07:50:26 AM

What I find it strange is that the PJ have have known about this monster for years - and their only reaction so far is that they appear to have brushed him well and truly under the carpet.

Why would you assume that SY are not showing any interest in this man?   They would hardly make a public appeal about him on TV and then disregard him.   They have said they are not going to give a running commentary on the case - and so we don't know what is going on behind the scenes.

If I lived in Portugal I would be disgusted to think that a serial child abuser had been on the loose for years and no warnings had been issued to the public.   

I wonder how this particular nasty little group of residents of PdL would be reacting if it was the disappearance of one of their own children from their own home that was being investigated at the moment.    Would they be complaining?


'If I lived in Portugal I would be disgusted to think that a serial child abuser had been on the loose'

Well, good news, there ain't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 07, 2014, 07:57:22 AM
Not anti British at all, a large percentage of the residents in PDL are British.

What I find strange is that if there is this awful paedophile who is breaking into holidaymakers flats to molest their children why are SY not trying to find him instead of questioning a group of burglars who allegedly killed Madeleine during a burglary ?

They'll be dragging the imaginary pot bellied paedo guy back out of the dustbin once the burglary busdriver story has ran it's course.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 07, 2014, 07:59:04 AM
Maybe he'll own a shop next time around aswell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 07, 2014, 08:14:22 AM

'If I lived in Portugal I would be disgusted to think that a serial child abuser had been on the loose'

Well, good news, there ain't.
Ah, we're back to the "SY and the PJ and the ex-British consul made up the PT child sex attacker to appease the McCanns" mantra now are we?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2014, 08:17:19 AM
Ah, we're back to the "SY and the PJ and the ex-British consul made up the PT child sex attacker to appease the McCanns" mantra now are we?

What proof is there of any connection to this case whatsoever ?

EASY ANSWER..............

NONE.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on July 07, 2014, 08:23:12 AM
Or perhaps the ordinary people of Praia da Luz are simply sick to death of having their livelihoods wrecked by what has become a rather garish circus.

What about the extra income derived over the last 7 years  by the influx of people who would never have gone to PdL  - if it were not for this case.

IMO the ordinary decent PdL residents would have no objection to the police investigation - there is just a small but vocal group of people who have decided to show themselves up to the world as spiteful,  mercenary and mean-spirited imo.       If they think that will encourage people to want to go to PdL - they are barmy.   Talk about shooting yourself in the foot. 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2014, 08:25:43 AM
What about the extra income derived over the last 7 years  by the influx of people who would never have gone to PdL  - if it were not for this case.

IMO the ordinary decent PdL residents would have no objection to the police investigation - there is just a small but vocal group of people who have decided to show themselves up to the world as spiteful,  mercenary and mean-spirited imo.       If they think that will encourage people to want to go to PdL - they are barmy.   Talk about shooting yourself in the foot.

Extra income ???

People have lost their jobs.

Tourism has fallen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 07, 2014, 09:37:23 AM
Extra income ???

People have lost their jobs.

Tourism has fallen.

Yeah ~ tourists will be flocking to take their children to a resort where not only have tourists' children been abused in their beds and one abducted from her bed ~ where the locals only interest is in turning a quick buck and not in having the perpetrator/s of these heinous crimes apprehended and the resort made into a safe place for their children.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 07, 2014, 11:00:15 AM
[ quote deleted ]

Like the majority of people, I have a profound desire to see Madeleine’s (remember her?) case resolved. 

Unfortunately there are those who take an active part in doing their level best to derail the inquiry by the PJ and NSY to do just that.

Ultimately the work of the PJ and NSY may find enough evidence to present to the courts and there is an excellent probability they will achieve just that objective; that has some people seriously worried and in my opinion … they should be.

I think it is probably unprecedented that there are organised campaigns to protect the perpetrator/s of crimes against children from justice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 07, 2014, 11:10:40 AM
Yeah ~ tourists will be flocking to take their children to a resort where not only have tourists' children been abused in their beds and one abducted from her bed ~ where the locals only interest is in turning a quick buck and not in having the perpetrator/s of these heinous crimes apprehended and the resort made into a safe place for their children.
I feel sorry for the ordinary good folk of PdL.

This small vociferous group behind these carefully stencilled signs is ruining their lives and in some cases their businesses.


The people who defaced the street signs very probably do not even live in PdL.


 >@@(*&) Now didn't we have a poster on here who infamously bragged, on another forum, about defacing the Mccann appeal posters to try and find Madeleine >@@(*&).   That was in PDL, but I doubt done by locals.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mitts1.jpg
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/mitts1.jpg)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/maddietornposter.jpg
(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/maddietornposter.jpg)


Seems it was done in a wholesale manner.

S/he got ten minutes glory from some evil people and shot herself in the foot at the same time
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 07, 2014, 11:23:34 AM
quote" I think it is probably unprecedented that there are organised campaigns to protect the perpetrator/s of crimes against children from justice."unquote


You would be talking about the UK government here?  You know Slimey Saville and the new case of 'missing files' of Government ministers and officials claiming involvement in paedophile behavior?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 07, 2014, 12:24:19 PM
Like the majority of people, I have a profound desire to see Madeleine’s (remember her?) case resolved. 

Unfortunately there are those who take an active part in doing their level best to derail the inquiry by the PJ and NSY to do just that.

Ultimately the work of the PJ and NSY may find enough evidence to present to the courts and there is an excellent probability they will achieve just that objective; that has some people seriously worried and in my opinion … they should be.

I think it is probably unprecedented that there are organised campaigns to protect the perpetrator/s of crimes against children from justice.

As I expected, you are trying to link crimes, where no such link exists in this case.

Why is that ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 07, 2014, 12:39:18 PM
If only the McCanns had chosen a safer holiday destination.

There was Monteiro entering holiday apartments at night, robbing a few bits & then lying on the kids beds & having a bit of a chin wag.

Then there is the pot bellied paedo, who is still at large, with his similar MO, only he goes further & abuses British girls, exclusivley.

Not forgetting that seeming endless amount of creepy looking men who were seen lurking suspiciously close to the McCann apartment.

The drug trafficking & the burglaries, dear God, what a hell hole.

I think I'll go holiday in Beirut. It's probably safer there.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 07, 2014, 02:10:54 PM
As I expected, you are trying to link crimes, where no such link exists in this case.

Why is that ?

You have inside information that no link exists?

However, Stephen, just another attempt at deflection.   
A number of British children have been attacked in their beds to varying degrees ... all denied.
A little girl has been abducted from her bed ... denied.
Until NSY took up the cases ... no-one was interested in finding the perpetrator/s ... NSY will ascertain if there are links to the cases and take the appropriate action, not armchair defectives such as you or I.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on July 07, 2014, 02:45:03 PM
Extra income ???

People have lost their jobs.

Tourism has fallen.

And ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 07, 2014, 04:10:56 PM
[ quote deleted ]

Like the majority of people, I have a profound desire to see Madeleine’s (remember her?) case resolved. 

Unfortunately there are those who take an active part in doing their level best to derail the inquiry by the PJ and NSY to do just that.

Ultimately the work of the PJ and NSY may find enough evidence to present to the courts and there is an excellent probability they will achieve just that objective; that has some people seriously worried and in my opinion … they should be.

I think it is probably unprecedented that there are organised campaigns to protect the perpetrator/s of crimes against children from justice.

It does seem very odd.

If the police can eliminate anyone local and any trace of her having been buried there (or perhaps held there), then they will tick their boxes and explore further afield.

If there had been efficient coordination in the early days, such searches wouldn't have attracted any more attention than the ones already being undertaken at the time. And bringing in witnesses for thorough questioning wouldn't have seemed out of place either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 07, 2014, 08:05:24 PM
Homicide are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and they are searching for her body.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 08, 2014, 02:29:01 PM


McCanns fear kidnapper will 'strike again'

'There is - he or she or they may strike again'

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2014/07/08/mccanns-fear-kidnapper-will--strike-again-.html

 @)(++(*

What have he or she or they been doing for the past 7 years then?...Burglaries, Bus Driving, Shopkeeping perhaps?

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2014, 03:57:09 PM

McCanns fear kidnapper will 'strike again'

'There is - he or she or they may strike again'

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/europe/2014/07/08/mccanns-fear-kidnapper-will--strike-again-.html

 @)(++(*

What have he or she or they been doing for the past 7 years then?...Burglaries, Bus Driving, Shopkeeping perhaps?

Well according to the mccanns, laughing.

What a load of rollocks.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 08, 2014, 08:16:20 PM

'Kate, 46, who was a doctor before her daughter's death, says what Mr Amaral has written could be "very, very damaging to a child".'

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387879/Kate-McCann-My-son-asked-me-about-claims-that-I-hid-Maddie

Whoopsie daisy.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 08, 2014, 08:17:33 PM
'Kate, 46, who was a doctor before her daughter's death, says what Mr Amaral has written could be "very, very damaging to a child".'

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387879/Kate-McCann-My-son-asked-me-about-claims-that-I-hid-Maddie

Whoopsie daisy.


These pesky Freudian slips get everywhere   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on July 08, 2014, 08:45:11 PM
'Kate, 46, who was a doctor before her daughter's death, says what Mr Amaral has written could be "very, very damaging to a child".'

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/387879/Kate-McCann-My-son-asked-me-about-claims-that-I-hid-Maddie

Whoopsie daisy.


That article says no such thing, why the lies?

Kate, 46, says what Mr Amaral has written could be "very, very damaging to a child".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 08, 2014, 08:49:57 PM
That article says no such thing, why the lies?

Kate, 46, says what Mr Amaral has written could be "very, very damaging to a child".

So it's been amended then.

Just like when katy brand said the mccanns had split up.

Rapidly disappeared as well.

After an 'apology'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 08, 2014, 08:55:36 PM
So it's been amended then.

Just like when katy brand said the mccanns had split up.

Rapidly disappeared as well.

After an 'apology'.

So I read, elsewhere.  Maybe someone has saved the original and can post it for all to see.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on July 08, 2014, 10:48:21 PM

Madeleine McCann parents: 'Cops claims we killed daughter and hid body in freezer stopped people searching for her'
Jul 08, 2014 21:38 By Paul Byrne_
Gerry McCann said of ex cop Goncalo Amaral's book: "It says Madeleine is dead, that there is no ­abduction and claims myself, my wife and our friends are liars and would be so cold and ruthless as to hide our ­daughter’s body"

Struggling to cope with the unbearable anguish of having a missing child was hard enough for Kate and Gerry McCann to bear.

But to be then accused of being involved in the death of their daughter Madeleine and covering it up came like a crushing blow to the couple.

And yesterday the pair told how ­allegations made in a book by disgraced Portuguese ­detective Goncalo Amaral left them “crushed and ­devastated”.

Kate said the policeman’s claims left her unable to sleep at night and are hampering the hunt for Madeleine, who vanished from the family’s Algarve holiday apartment in 2007.

And the 46-year-old former GP told a court she believed Amaral’s book, The Truth of the Lie, had turned the ­Portuguese people against the couple.

Kate also revealed the policeman’s smears had reached the ears of their nine-year-old son who asked her: “Mr Amaral said you hid Madeleine, didn’t he?” She was asked by judge Maria de Melo e Castro about claims she and 45-year-old Gerry dumped Madeleine’s body after she was accidentally killed in their Praia da Luz apartment.

Kate branded the allegation “far-fetched” and added: “It was about Madeleine being killed and us having moved the body and then storing her in a freezer and then transporting the body in a hire car several weeks later.

“We were so desperate to find Madeleine and I just felt it was destroying our chances.”

Asked how she felt when she first read Amaral’s book, she replied: “I was ­devastated. It made me feel quite desperate because of injustice I felt towards my daughter and our family.

“It was very painful to read and I felt sad for Madeleine and I also felt anxious and fearful because of the damage I felt it was doing in Portugal.

“For example, he insists Madeleine was dead. He also essentially accuses myself and my husband of being somehow involved in her disappearance and of faking an abduction. Throughout the book he consistently smears myself and my husband.”

Kate and Gerry are suing Amaral for libel, claiming his book and interviews on TV and radio are wrecking their bid to find their daughter, who was three when she vanished.

Kate said: “I think Mr Amaral’s book had most impact in Portugal. It was read by hundreds of thousands of people and this has been fortified by multiple media interviews. If they believed what he said, that Madeleine was dead, or that we were involved, they would not look for Madeleine and they would not come forward with information.”

Asked about a 2009 ­Portuguese TV documentary, based on the book, Kate said: “To be honest it felt even worse with regards to the potential power and damage. I felt the documentary was Mr Amaral being even more insistent.

“For me that intensified the pain because of the injustice and anxiety about the damage this could cause to the search. We were working so hard, we were flat out, drained, doing ­everything in our power to try and find Madeleine. It was hard enough in itself but when your efforts are being crushed in this way, it intensifies the pain.”

Kate told the hearing in Lisbon she felt anxious about returning to Portugal where she believes locals are now ­suspicious of her and her husband.

She said: “I still feel, and this is supported by what friends and ­associates have told us, that in Portugal the majority of people are against us. It also makes me feel uneasy and uncomfortable when I come to Portugal because I think people are thinking bad things about us.

“There were many, many nights where I was unable to sleep because I was too upset and crying too much. This pain and emotion was caused by what Mr Amaral was doing.”

Asked about how Sean and his twin sister Amelie have been coping with the ­relentless bad publicity, Kate replied: “They know Mr Amaral has written a book and about the documentary. Sean asked me in October, ‘Mr Amaral said you hid Madeleine, didn’t he?’ I just said, ‘He did, he said a lot of silly things.’”

Kate, of Rothley, Leics, told of a group in Britain called the Madeleine Foundation, which promotes Mr Amaral’s claims. She said: “They posted leaflets in our village reinforcing Mr Amaral’s theories just as the children were about to go to school.”

Kate spoke for 55 minutes before making way for Gerry. He told the court: “The book is an affront to me, my wife, my family and the people who believe in us. The ­documentary is even worse. It starts off that Madeleine is dead, that there is no ­abduction and essentially claims myself, my wife and our friends are liars and would be so cold and ruthless as to hide our ­daughter’s body rather than try to help her should something have happened.

“When the file was closed it was made clear there was no evidence Madeleine was dead and no evidence Kate and I were responsible for hiding her body.”

Kate and Gerry flew back home last night. A decision in the case is not expected until later this year.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-cops-claims-3830246



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on July 08, 2014, 10:54:01 PM
Why don't the British journalists report on the questions made by the judge and the lawyers. They were very pertinent. Very one sided reporting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 08, 2014, 11:01:53 PM
Why don't the British journalists report on the questions made by the judge and the lawyers. They were very pertinent. Very one sided reporting.

Can you tell us what these questions were, please?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 08, 2014, 11:13:45 PM
Can you tell us what these questions were, please?
Presumably these will be reported in great detail by the Portuguese press.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on July 08, 2014, 11:17:33 PM
Can you tell us what these questions were, please?

I read them in other forums from persons who attended the trial and I am not in a position to repeat them. But anyway, it is disgraceful the work of the British press who ignores all the other relevant aspects of the hearing and only repeats this story of Sean and the radio of the school bus. If the journalists did their work, you wouldn't have to ask what the judge and lawyers asked.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 08, 2014, 11:18:13 PM
Presumably these will be reported in great detail by the Portuguese press.

Sadly, I don't have a lot of faith in The Portuguese Press.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on July 08, 2014, 11:21:28 PM
So I read, elsewhere.  Maybe someone has saved the original and can post it for all to see.

Who is bothered or interested in peoples personal affairs you lot will get off on anything easy pleased arnt you   8-)(--)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 08, 2014, 11:24:07 PM
I read them in other forums from persons who attended the trial and I am not in a position to repeat them. But anyway, it is disgraceful the work of the British press who ignores all the other relevant aspects of the hearing and only repeats this story of Sean and the radio of the school bus. If the journalists did their work, you wouldn't have to ask what the judge and lawyers asked.
Perhaps you could let us have a link to a Portuguese news report of these vitally important questions?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 08, 2014, 11:31:32 PM
Sadly, I don't have a lot of faith in The Portuguese Press.

I have absolutely none in anonymous postings on 'other forums'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 08, 2014, 11:36:32 PM
I have absolutely none in anonymous postings on 'other forums'.
Especially not ones where lots of "doubting" goes on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 08, 2014, 11:44:36 PM
Here is today's report from CdeM - compare and contrast with the "shockingly biased" UK report that shockingly failed to report the very important judge's questions:

Parents of Madeleine McCann say book of Gonçalo Amaral "is shocking"

The parents of Madeleine McCann felt that the book challenged the continued investigation into the disappearance of her daughter
Today, 14h41
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The parents of Madeleine McCann said on Tuesday in court that the book of former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, 'is shocking' and was 'an affront' to the family of the missing child in the Algarve.

"Before and during the reading of the book, I felt anguish, despair and anger," said Gerry McCann, father of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007. Already Kate McCann said she felt "despair because of the injustices "published in the book of former PJ inspector, having been" very painful "since the publication implies the participation of parents in the child's disappearance.

The McCanns gave evidence during the trial that takes place in the Palace of Justice in Lisbon, the process in which they seek compensation of EUR 1.2 million for defamation of former PJ inspector.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 08, 2014, 11:48:50 PM
And here's another Portuguese report, oddly this one doesn't mention the vitally important judge's questions either...


The parents of Madeleine McCann said today in court that the book of former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, "is shocking" and was "an affront" to the family of the missing child in the Algarve.




"Before and during the reading of the book, I felt anguish, despair and anger," said Gerry McCann, father of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007.

Have Kate McCann said she felt "despair because of injustices" public in the book of former PJ inspector, having been "very painful", once the book implies the participation of parents in the child's disappearance.

The McCanns gave evidence during the trial that takes place in the Palace of Justice in Lisbon, the process in which they seek compensation of EUR 1.2 million for defamation of former PJ inspector.

The parents of Madeleine McCann felt that the book, read by hundreds of thousands of people, called into question the continuing investigation into the disappearance of her daughter and took the majority of the Portuguese population acreditassse that the child was dead and who had staged one abduction.
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=4014685
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on July 09, 2014, 12:23:49 AM
And here's another Portuguese report, oddly this one doesn't mention the vitally important judge's questions either...


The parents of Madeleine McCann said today in court that the book of former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, "is shocking" and was "an affront" to the family of the missing child in the Algarve.

"Before and during the reading of the book, I felt anguish, despair and anger," said Gerry McCann, father of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007.

Have Kate McCann said she felt "despair because of injustices" public in the book of former PJ inspector, having been "very painful", once the book implies the participation of parents in the child's disappearance.

The McCanns gave evidence during the trial that takes place in the Palace of Justice in Lisbon, the process in which they seek compensation of EUR 1.2 million for defamation of former PJ inspector.

The parents of Madeleine McCann felt that the book, read by hundreds of thousands of people, called into question the continuing investigation into the disappearance of her daughter and took the majority of the Portuguese population acreditassse that the child was dead and who had staged one abduction.
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=4014685 (http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=4014685)

Really, no questions asked in Portugal press report?
But the Mirror UK press does,

Asked how she felt when she first read Amaral’s book, she replied: “I was ­devastated. It made me feel quite desperate because of injustice I felt towards my daughter and our family.

Kate and Gerry are suing Amaral for libel, claiming his book and interviews on TV and radio are wrecking their bid to find their daughter, who was three when she vanished.


Asked about a 2009 ­Portuguese TV documentary, based on the book, Kate said: “To be honest it felt even worse with regards to the potential power and damage. I felt the documentary was Mr Amaral being even more insistent.

Asked about how Sean and his twin sister Amelie have been coping with the ­relentless bad publicity, Kate replied: “They know Mr Amaral has written a book and about the documentary. Sean asked me in October, ‘Mr Amaral said you hid Madeleine, didn’t he?’ I just said, ‘He did, he said a lot of silly things.’”


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 09, 2014, 12:27:08 AM
And here's another Portuguese report, oddly this one doesn't mention the vitally important judge's questions either...


The parents of Madeleine McCann said today in court that the book of former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral, "is shocking" and was "an affront" to the family of the missing child in the Algarve.




"Before and during the reading of the book, I felt anguish, despair and anger," said Gerry McCann, father of Madeleine McCann, who disappeared on the night of May 3, 2007.

Have Kate McCann said she felt "despair because of injustices" public in the book of former PJ inspector, having been "very painful", once the book implies the participation of parents in the child's disappearance.

The McCanns gave evidence during the trial that takes place in the Palace of Justice in Lisbon, the process in which they seek compensation of EUR 1.2 million for defamation of former PJ inspector.

The parents of Madeleine McCann felt that the book, read by hundreds of thousands of people, called into question the continuing investigation into the disappearance of her daughter and took the majority of the Portuguese population acreditassse that the child was dead and who had staged one abduction.
http://www.dn.pt/inicio/portugal/interior.aspx?content_id=4014685

Looks like a press release to me. Notice the almost identical words used. Seems Portuguese journalists are just as lazy as British ones.

Seems what isn't being reported is the fact that Gerry made an absolute numpty of himself by mentioning the dogs and even when the judge pointed out that this was a civil trial and not a criminal one it didn't stop him. In fact only the judge asking him specifically if he was a dog expert seemed to depress the self-destruct button.

I get the feeling the judge wasn't very impressed by the McCanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2014, 07:59:00 AM
“I think Mr Amaral’s book had most impact in Portugal. It was read by hundreds of thousands of people and this has been fortified by multiple media interviews. If they believed what he said, that Madeleine was dead, or that we were involved, they would not look for Madeleine and they would not come forward with information.”

Is this kind of supposition evidence really admissible in court?

Is there any evidence that people haven't come forward with information in the past 7 years, specifically because of Amarals book or the documentary?

No, that's right, there ain't.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2014, 08:02:12 AM
“I think Mr Amaral’s book had most impact in Portugal. It was read by hundreds of thousands of people and this has been fortified by multiple media interviews. If they believed what he said, that Madeleine was dead, or that we were involved, they would not look for Madeleine and they would not come forward with information.”

Is this kind of supposition evidence really admissible in court?

Is there any evidence that people haven't come forward with information in the past 7 years, specifically because of Amarals book or the documentary?

No, that's right, there ain't.

..............and that is the point.

It was pure bluster by the mccanns, with the usual cliched speech outside the courtroom.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2014, 08:21:39 AM
This is a post for Montclair from a severe anti forum giving their version of how the trial went...

Lisa Edington We will have a report on this mornings proceedings within the next 2 hours. Session finished for today and neither of the McCann's had much to say when on the stand (FG)

 @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(* @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2014, 08:22:41 AM
Anyone noticed their seems to be far less posters attacking the mccanns on this forum now...perhaps the truth is being realised
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2014, 08:23:58 AM
Anyone noticed their seems to be far less posters attacking the mccanns on this forum now...perhaps the truth is being realised

No dave.

You just don't know what's going on. 8)-))) 8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2014, 08:27:57 AM
No dave.

You just don't know what's going on. 8)-))) 8(0(*

oh but I do Stephen...and I like it

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2014, 08:44:06 AM
Gerry McCann: There's no doubt the... the... the... damage done has... has been severe. I mean, we've got people here screaming things and if that is representative of what people in this country and other countries think, then, you know, we're fighting a losing battle.

 @)(++(*


Damn, if one in several million people don't believe them, they might aswell give up now right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2014, 09:00:35 AM

I'd love to know who that woman was, according to Gerry she's some sort of 'Ambassador for the Representation of Public Thought' .... not just for Portugal but for other countries aswell!

A VIP by all accounts!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on July 09, 2014, 09:16:08 AM
I'd love to know who that woman was, according to Gerry she's some sort of 'Ambassador for the Representation of Public Thought' .... not just for Portugal but for other countries aswell!

A VIP by all accounts!


probably amarals new girlfriend  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2014, 09:17:10 AM
Why should you think that ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pinkblossoms on July 09, 2014, 11:30:24 AM
Why should you think that ?

you didn't anyone who is this aimed at ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on July 09, 2014, 12:47:05 PM
Former suspect Robert Murat still haunted by Madeleine McCann case

The Telegraph
5 June 2014

Robert Murat, who was a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, says despite being cleared in 2008 he still feels that people link him to the case.

(http://i.imgur.com/ycqJ906.jpg?1)

Robert Murat speaking in Praia da Luz as searches take place on the mound nearby.

Robert Murat, the first formal suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, says he still lives with the legacy of being wrongly implicated in her abduction as police spend a fourth day investigating on an area close to where she went missing in Portugal seven years ago.

Officers, accompanied by their Portuguese counterparts, were expected to probe the area in Praia da Luz on the Algarve until Friday but have applied to spend an extra seven days there.

Yesterday, forensics officers were seen in an area which was previously hidden by undergrowth, while ground-penetrating radar equipment was used in another.

Mr Murat, a British ex-pat and property developer, who lived 100 yards from where the missing girl was last seen in the Algarve 15 months ago, helped police with translation in the first few days after her disappearance.

He was questioned by police less than two weeks after she vanished and made an arguido, the Portuguese equivalent of a suspect, but has always strongly protested his innocence.

Article and Video Interview (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10877239/Former-suspect-Robert-Murat-still-haunted-by-Madeleine-McCann-case.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 09, 2014, 12:53:14 PM
Former suspect Robert Murat still haunted by Madeleine McCann case

The Telegraph
5 June 2014

Robert Murat, who was a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, says despite being cleared in 2008 he still feels that people link him to the case.

(http://i.imgur.com/ycqJ906.jpg?1)

Robert Murat speaking in Praia da Luz as searches take place on the mound nearby.

 Robert Murat, the first formal suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, says he still lives with the legacy of being wrongly implicated in her abduction as police spend a fourth day investigating on an area close to where she went missing in Portugal seven years ago.

Officers, accompanied by their Portuguese counterparts, were expected to probe the area in Praia da Luz on the Algarve until Friday but have applied to spend an extra seven days there.

Yesterday, forensics officers were seen in an area which was previously hidden by undergrowth, while ground-penetrating radar equipment was used in another.

Mr Murat, a British ex-pat and property developer, who lived 100 yards from where the missing girl was last seen in the Algarve 15 months ago, helped police with translation in the first few days after her disappearance.

He was questioned by police less than two weeks after she vanished and made an arguido, the Portuguese equivalent of a suspect, but has always strongly protested his innocence.

Article and Video Interview (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10877239/Former-suspect-Robert-Murat-still-haunted-by-Madeleine-McCann-case.html)
A bit out of date, that Admin.

Are you deflecting by changing the subjust?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2014, 02:08:41 PM

Mummy, that policeman said you hid Madeleine, 09 July 2014

The Sun (paper edition, pages 8 and 9)

 'In 2008, three days after the Portuguese investigation was officially closed, he published The Truth of the Lie.

It falsely claimed Kate and Gerry McCann faked an abduction after Madeleine died in an accident in their holiday flat.'


I assume then, that the Sun must have some evidence that this claim was false?

Oh yes, that's right, they don't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2014, 02:23:40 PM
Mummy, that policeman said you hid Madeleine, 09 July 2014

The Sun (paper edition, pages 8 and 9)

 'In 2008, three days after the Portuguese investigation was officially closed, he published The Truth of the Lie.

It falsely claimed Kate and Gerry McCann faked an abduction after Madeleine died in an accident in their holiday flat.'


I assume then, that the Sun must have some evidence that this claim was false?

Oh yes, that's right, they don't.

It is claimed to be false - by the McCanns. The Sun newspaper is merely reporting that without knowing whether the claim itself is false  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 09, 2014, 03:01:34 PM
It is claimed to be false - by the McCanns. The Sun newspaper is merely reporting that without knowing whether the claim itself is false  8(0(*

It is a false claim...amaral is claiming as a fact that the mccannns staged an abduction.....it is not a fact it is a possibility...therefore amaral claiming it to be a fact is false
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 09, 2014, 03:05:14 PM
Is it a fact that Amaral is claiming that what he is saying is a fact ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 09, 2014, 03:24:19 PM
Mummy, that policeman said you hid Madeleine, 09 July 2014

The Sun (paper edition, pages 8 and 9)

 'In 2008, three days after the Portuguese investigation was officially closed, he published The Truth of the Lie.

It falsely claimed Kate and Gerry McCann faked an abduction after Madeleine died in an accident in their holiday flat.'


I assume then, that the Sun must have some evidence that this claim was false?

Oh yes, that's right, they don't.
OK, so someone robs the bank.  Mr and Mrs X work there..

With absolutely no evidence, they are falsely claimed, by the chief cop of robbing, or being involved in robbing the bank.  And he writes a book with that accusation blazened all over it.

That's OK is it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 09, 2014, 03:27:50 PM
OK, so someone robs the bank.  Mr and Mrs X work there..

With absolutely no evidence, they are falsely claimed, by the chief cop of robbing the bank.

That's OK is it?

Where can I see the statements of Mr & Mrs X?

As I understand the case, some money disappeared from the bank in which they worked, there was no evidence of persons other than Mr & Mrs X having access to this bank vault & to this day the cash still hasn't been seen.

I reckon Mr & Mrs X dunnit.
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2014, 03:36:10 PM
OK, so someone robs the bank.  Mr and Mrs X work there..

With absolutely no evidence, they are falsely claimed, by the chief cop of robbing, or being involved in robbing the bank.  And he writes a book with that accusation blazened all over it.

That's OK is it?

In a bank robbery, workers at the bank would be investigated, in case it was an inside job.

Din't you know that ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 09, 2014, 03:40:32 PM
In a bank robbery, workers at the bank would be investigated, in case it was an inside job.

Din't you know that ?


 ... and once the police have looked at the evidence and found none of the workers to have any involvement ... they follow other lines of inquiry.

Didn't you know that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 09, 2014, 03:43:10 PM

 ... and once the police have looked at the evidence and found none of the workers to have any involvement ... they follow other lines of inquiry.

Didn't you know that?

Wow that's amazing. 8)-)))

However, go on, remind me of what type of crime we are dealing with here in this case ? 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on July 11, 2014, 04:31:30 PM
"...uma conversa contada em segunda mão e supostamente ouvida perto da casa ...... sobre um corpo que era preciso fazer desapararer ..."
Source: Jornal De Noticias 03 July 2014

(http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JN2July2014page11b.jpg)

This supposed "overheard conversation", highly interesting if true,  is news to me.
Does anyone have any further sources for the overhearing of this conversation please?
Anyone know the exact location? Or what time/date it was? Or what language it was in?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2014, 05:07:04 PM
"...uma conversa contada em segunda mão e supostamente ouvida perto da casa ...... sobre um corpo que era preciso fazer desapararer ..."
Source: Jornal De Noticias 03 July 2014
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JN2July2014page11b.jpg

This supposed "overheard conversation", highly interesting if true,  is news to me.
Does anyone have any further sources for the overhearing of this conversation please?
Anyone know the exact location? Or what time/date it was? Or what language it was in?

Where is that on the page, Pegasus? I find the tiny type hard to read. Could you point out which column, please?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2014, 06:07:21 PM
"...uma conversa contada em segunda mão e supostamente ouvida perto da casa ...... sobre um corpo que era preciso fazer desapararer ..."
Source: Jornal De Noticias 03 July 2014
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JN2July2014page11b.jpg

This supposed "overheard conversation", highly interesting if true,  is news to me.
Does anyone have any further sources for the overhearing of this conversation please?
Anyone know the exact location? Or what time/date it was? Or what language it was in?

I can only find one other reference
http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.co.uk/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 11, 2014, 06:14:22 PM
Is it a fact that Amaral is claiming that what he is saying is a fact ?

Yes...are you not aware of that
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2014, 06:17:57 PM
Yes...are you not aware of that

I am always doubtful of anything of which you are the source.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: gilet on July 11, 2014, 06:25:47 PM
In a bank robbery, workers at the bank would be investigated, in case it was an inside job.

Din't you know that ?

Yes but unlike you the police would not remain fixated on the bank workers once it was evident that there was no evidence of any crime having been committed by them.

That is the major flaw in your position.

Unlike you real police then look at all other possibilities. Indeed the real police don't just look at the workers in the first instance. They look widely at all possibilities from the outset.

But they never just give up and repeat mantra-like that nobody else is to blame but the workers who were not able to prevent the disappearance of the money because they hadn't got the right protective glass or some of them were on a tea-break.



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on July 11, 2014, 06:34:18 PM
Where is that on the page, Pegasus? I find the tiny type hard to read. Could you point out which column, please?
A suspicious conversation being overheard: the bottom part of page, left column.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JN2July2014page11b.jpg
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on July 11, 2014, 06:41:34 PM
I can only find one other reference
http://unterdenteppichgekehrt.blogspot.co.uk/
Thanks. Yes as that site points out, the information about overhearing the suspicious conversation came to the PJ "second-hand" which presumably means not directly from the actual witness. My guess is it could have been information given to the PJ anonymously? I think it is likely to be nothing to do with SM, but I find it very interesting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 11, 2014, 07:41:45 PM
A suspicious conversation being overheard: the bottom part of page, left column.
http://www.mccannfiles.com/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/JN2July2014page11b.jpg

Thanks. It's with the mysterious sofa. I think I'll wait for something more official than vague rumours.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Air Con on July 11, 2014, 10:50:20 PM
Yes but unlike you the police would not remain fixated on the bank workers once it was evident that there was no evidence of any crime having been committed by them.


With no proof of anyone else being involved what else are they expected to do?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 11, 2014, 10:54:25 PM
With no proof of anyone else being involved what else are they expected to do?
Keep investigating with an open mind maybe?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Air Con on July 11, 2014, 11:00:10 PM
Keep investigating with an open mind maybe?

You have one line of enquiry with obvious involvement and no other line of enquiry with any involvement.

Which route would you go down as a priority?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 11, 2014, 11:11:51 PM
You have one line of enquiry with obvious involvement and no other line of enquiry with any involvement.

Which route would you go down as a priority?
Once it became apparent that there was no evidence of involvement by the bank workers, you would obviously shift your attention to other lines of enquiry, wouldn't you?  Or would you stubbornly refuse to consider any alternative lines of enquiry and just keep hammering away at the bank workers in the hope that one of them might crack one day?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on July 12, 2014, 08:41:57 AM
Yes but unlike you the police would not remain fixated on the bank workers once it was evident that there was no evidence of any crime having been committed by them.

That is the major flaw in your position.

Unlike you real police then look at all other possibilities. Indeed the real police don't just look at the workers in the first instance. They look widely at all possibilities from the outset.

But they never just give up and repeat mantra-like that nobody else is to blame but the workers who were not able to prevent the disappearance of the money because they hadn't got the right protective glass or some of them were on a tea-break.

However, if the bank workers statements were contradictory, they claimed a robbery had happened without further corroborating evidence, a sniffer dog had alerted to the scent of bank money bags at their houses, etc. The police might be less inclined to look elsewhere.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 12, 2014, 09:31:15 AM
However, if the back workers statements were contradictory, they claimed a robbery had happened without further corroborating evidence, a sniffer dog had alerted to the scent of bank money bags at their houses, etc. The police might be less inclined to look elsewhere.
But in this case

-  The statements were not contradictory beyond what was a normal variance.

-  There was evidence that there was an abduction.  PLs doint keep saying that there was none.

-  No sniffer dog alerted to anything that proved anything.  This has been well analysed in here and this you should know by now.



-  There was nothing, at all, to indicate anything against The Mccanns, let alone prove it


Only the word of a policeman who tells downright lies .... a criminal, who was convicted of Perjury. 
He based his thesis on nothing,  Nothing at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 13, 2014, 02:07:55 PM


EXCLUSIVE: Maddie witness overheard sinister comment about disposing of a body

A BRITISH woman has told Scotland Yard detectives seeking Madeleine McCann that she overheard a conversation in which a man said: "Why did you bring her here? Now we will have to dispose of the body."

By: James Murray
Published: Sun, July 13, 2014

The potential key witness has been interviewed several times in Britain and used to live almost opposite apartment 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on the Algarve, from where Madeleine, three, was taken on May 3, 2007.

The Sunday Express understands the comment was heard several hundred yards from the Ocean Club in a residential area towards the seafront.

The woman gave an interview to Portuguese detectives 13 days after the disappearance but the report on the informal interview does not mention her overhearing a conversation about disposing of a body.

However, in April 2008 the woman made a further statement in which she recounted hearing the astonishing comment, saying she heard it days after the abduction. She also claimed that the owner of a pub in Luz was called by a woman shortly after the disappearance who said she had overheard the comment about getting rid of a body.

The Sunday Express understands the owner of the bar has been interviewed but cannot recall the conversation.

The woman has since returned to Britain with her child and is living in the Home Counties.

When contacted by the Sunday Express, the woman, who we are choosing not to name to safeguard the investigation, said: "I do not want to say anything."

Last month Scotland Yard detectives shadowed three searches of wasteland near the Ocean Club but no obvious clues were found.

Some materials gathered in the search were sent for forensic examination but officers were not hopeful of a breakthrough in the investigation

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on July 13, 2014, 02:09:43 PM

Former Ocean Club driver is suspect in McCann case

THE FORMER driver of the Ocean Club was made an arguido or suspect by Portuguese police following a request by Scotland Yard detectives investigating Madeleine’s disappearance.

Published: Sun, July 13, 2014

Jose Carlos da Silva, 28, used to drive guests to their apartments once they had been ferried to the Ocean Club headquarters in Luz from airports, writes James Murray.

He formerly lived in an apartment block overlooking the Ocean Club but has since moved to a nearby run-down flat.

Now he works as a dishwasher in a restaurant and is said by neighbours to suffer poor health because of a lung condition.

The Sunday Express photographed him weeks before he was interviewed by Portuguese detectives in Faro on the Algarve where Scotland Yard officers listened intently to his every word.

We understand that on May 3 2007 there was mobile phone communication between him and a second arguido, Ricardo Rodrigues, at about the time that Madeleine left a creche somewhere near 5.30pm.

It is further alleged that at about 9.25pm he also sent a text to the younger man.

Police say this was around the time that two of the McCann holiday group left the tapas bar at the Ocean Club to check on the children sleeping in apartments nearby.

Further communication on their mobiles came at 9.38pm, around the time that another member of the holiday group went to check on the children.

A short time later there was another mobile call between the men, around the time Kate McCann went to the apartment and discovered that Madeleine, then three, was missing.

Mr Silva declined to speak to the Sunday Express.

Friends said he is a popular man who was well liked and known in the community and would never do anything wrong.

A woman friend said: "He lives alone and suffers with his health because he has problems with his lungs and he often goes to hospital for checks. He is always very polite and nice and pleasant. He is a very quiet man who leads a simple life."

Little is known about Mr Rodrigues but he is part of a group of mostly young people in Luz who contribute to an internet site showing pictures of scenic spots in the area. Fresh faced and youthful he is said to resemble a photofit prepared by an elderly British couple of a man who came to their villa with an older man to collect money for a charity on May 3 2007.

The older man is said to resemble Paulo Ribeiro, 51, another arguido. He lives in Luz and is said to be a schizophrenic.

Sources say the police wanted further information from him about a call he allegedly had with Mr Rodrigues the day after Madeleine vanished.

Operation Grange officers are hoping that the detailed questioning will help them to build up a clearer picture of events before and after Madeleine's disappearance.

A fourth man questioned is believed to be Russian national Sergey Malinka, who ran an internet firm in Luz at the time. He has always denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance and, like the others, was reluctant to speak to journalists.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488488/Former-Ocean-Club-driver-is-suspect-in-McCann-case
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 13, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
All sounds very compelling - surprised they've not all been banged up immediately. Its obviously them wot dunnit. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on July 13, 2014, 08:56:07 PM
McCanns face five-year wait in libel trial

KATE and Gerry McCann’s battle to sue a disgraced ex-police chief for £1million in libel damages could drag on for another five years, a pal revealed yesterday.
By Tracey Kandohla/Published 13th July 2014

kate mccann, gerry mccann, maddie, libel trial, DESPERATE: The libel case has already been going on for five years [REX]

    “They are ­exasperated by this”
    Source close to the McCanns

News of the setback came after the parents of missing Madeleine gave evidence against Goncalo Amaral in a Lisbon court.

Kate told the trial how smears by their tormentor left her family “devastated, fearful and desperate”.

But Mr Amaral, who led the bungled hunt for Maddie, now claims he is broke.

A judge is set to call him back to court in September to order him and the publishers of his 2008 book The Truth Of The Lie to ­reveal how much was made from the best-seller and a 2009 TV documentary.

A source close to Kate and Gerry said: “They are ­exasperated by this. Civil proceedings against Mr Amaral have already been going on for five years and at this rate are likely to go on for another five years.

“He is pleading poverty and there will be further hearings held for him to disclose his bank statements.”

Even if Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics, win the case, they will probably not see any money until 2018 or 2019.

Their lawyer Isabel ­Duarte said: “It has been proved in the civil file that Mr Amaral earned around 380,000 euros in one year from the book.”
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on July 13, 2014, 09:40:32 PM

EXCLUSIVE: Maddie witness overheard sinister comment about disposing of a body
...
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/488487/EXCLUSIVE-Potential-key-witness-McCann-case
Thankyou. Note that this conversation was overheard, not on the night of the apparent disappearance, but "days after". Very interesting.
Might warrant it's own thread? I have started one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 13, 2014, 09:45:08 PM
McCanns face five-year wait in libel trial

KATE and Gerry McCann’s battle to sue a disgraced ex-police chief for £1million in libel damages could drag on for another five years, a pal revealed yesterday.
By Tracey Kandohla/Published 13th July 2014

kate mccann, gerry mccann, maddie, libel trial, DESPERATE: The libel case has already been going on for five years [REX]

    “They are ­exasperated by this”
    Source close to the McCanns

News of the setback came after the parents of missing Madeleine gave evidence against Goncalo Amaral in a Lisbon court.

Kate told the trial how smears by their tormentor left her family “devastated, fearful and desperate”.

But Mr Amaral, who led the bungled hunt for Maddie, now claims he is broke.

A judge is set to call him back to court in September to order him and the publishers of his 2008 book The Truth Of The Lie to ­reveal how much was made from the best-seller and a 2009 TV documentary.

A source close to Kate and Gerry said: “They are ­exasperated by this. Civil proceedings against Mr Amaral have already been going on for five years and at this rate are likely to go on for another five years.

“He is pleading poverty and there will be further hearings held for him to disclose his bank statements.”

Even if Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, of Rothley, Leics, win the case, they will probably not see any money until 2018 or 2019.

Their lawyer Isabel ­Duarte said: “It has been proved in the civil file that Mr Amaral earned around 380,000 euros in one year from the book.”

It would be a pleasant change to read a report that dealt with facts rather than emotive misleading text.
But that would be too much expect I feel.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 14, 2014, 07:12:35 PM
This may be important, a source from Portugal told me the following: "one of the new four suspects made a statement last Friday to the police confessing he had knowledge of the crime, but signalling one of the other three men as [the offender]". I was unable to confirm this yet, and maybe it is not true, but continue searching. Do you know anything about? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 14, 2014, 07:49:26 PM
This may be important, a source from Portugal told me the following: "one of the new four suspects made a statement last Friday to the police confessing he had knowledge of the crime, but signalling one of the other three as the killer of Madeleine". I was unable to confirm this yet, and maybe it is not true, but continue searching. Do you know anything about?

So which suspect ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on July 14, 2014, 07:58:07 PM
This may be important, a source from Portugal told me the following: "one of the new four suspects made a statement last Friday to the police confessing he had knowledge of the crime, but signalling one of the other three as the killer of Madeleine". I was unable to confirm this yet, and maybe it is not true, but continue searching. Do you know anything about?


This is very, very sad, if true.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on July 14, 2014, 08:11:00 PM
This may be important, a source from Portugal told me the following: "one of the new four suspects made a statement last Friday to the police confessing he had knowledge of the crime, but signalling one of the other three as the killer of Madeleine". I was unable to confirm this yet, and maybe it is not true, but continue searching. Do you know anything about? 

What's the motive? A child killer still on the loose in PDL 7 years later so he isn't a serial killer  8-)(--) He didn't run out the door but stayed and killed the child and then took her down town. But cadaver odour was detected months later even though he was straight out the door. He was very quick but maybe he was in no hurry and started moving doors, cleaning the crime scene and opening noisy shutters and window he didn't use between checks just to confuse and play games  8-)(--) Afterall, dog expert GM said the unreliable dogs found no evidence. Be interesting to know the pants he was wearing at the time of the murder. Maybe he borrowed someone else's or maybe not  ?>)()<
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 14, 2014, 08:18:01 PM

This is very, very sad, if true.

If what Heri has been told is true it is devastating news. 
Madeleine’s mum and dad are being kept up to date with developments in the case; so they will be aware of this if it is what the police have been told.  My heart goes out to them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on July 14, 2014, 08:19:22 PM
Their lawyer Isabel ­Duarte said: “It has been proved in the civil file that Mr Amaral earned around 380,000 euros in one year from the book.”

My quibble with that statement would be Isabele's use of the word "earned".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 14, 2014, 09:05:36 PM
I deleted some words from my last post, because I have not got confirmation yet, so I will consider this just a rumor by now. If anyone of you knows more, please contact me.

 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Gadfly on July 14, 2014, 09:09:59 PM
Joana Morais is attempting to pass this off as news:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/why-media-lies-to-us-and-how-it-works.html

And look, it's my favourite unemployed reporter.  Reporting fresh from what looks like a prison cell and with what appears to be a wife-beater shirt on.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 14, 2014, 09:12:41 PM
If what Heri has been told is true it is devastating news. 
Madeleine’s mum and dad are being kept up to date with developments in the case; so they will be aware of this if it is what the police have been told.  My heart goes out to them.

There is nothing as yet to confirm that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on July 14, 2014, 09:16:38 PM
Quote from: Carana
There is nothing as yet to confirm that.

Yes, I am asking for more info about, consider it only a rumor by now!

Quote from: Heriberto Janosch
I deleted some words from my last post, because I have not got confirmation yet, so I will consider this just a rumor by now. If anyone of you knows more, please contact me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on July 15, 2014, 01:01:11 AM
This may be important, a source from Portugal told me the following: "one of the new four suspects made a statement last Friday to the police confessing he had knowledge of the crime, but signalling one of the other three men as [the offender]". I was unable to confirm this yet, and maybe it is not true, but continue searching. Do you know anything about?
Thankyou for posting that. I have no information.  But my opinion is that if this rumour is true, it will relate to the interrupted burglary only, and not to the "disappearance" per se, because as I have said it is likely that the interrupted burglar fled emptyhanded, and the later physical disappearance was a seperate action by a totally different person.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 15, 2014, 02:29:45 AM
Thankyou for posting that. I have no information.  But my opinion is that if this rumour is true, it will relate to the interrupted burglary only, and not to the "disappearance" per se, because as I have said it is likely that the interrupted burglar fled emptyhanded, and the later physical disappearance was a seperate action by a totally different person.
That's your opinion?

ORLY? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2014, 10:06:57 AM
So let me get this straight.

One dodgy type blames another dodgy type for what happened to Madeleine yet first dodgy type did not take this information to the police and claim the huge reward.

Really ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 15, 2014, 10:09:18 AM
So let me get this straight.

One dodgy type blames another dodgy type for what happened to Madeleine yet first dodgy type did not take this information to the police and claim the huge reward.

Really ?

You could not make this up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 15, 2014, 10:23:02 AM
You could not make this up.

Oh I'm sure somebody probably has .
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 15, 2014, 10:24:25 AM
Oh I'm sure somebody probably has .

Probably with a glass in hand.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on July 15, 2014, 10:50:27 AM
Joana Morais is attempting to pass this off as news:

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/why-media-lies-to-us-and-how-it-works.html

And look, it's my favourite unemployed reporter.  Reporting fresh from what looks like a prison cell and with what appears to be a wife-beater shirt on.

Enjoy!

I hear on the grapevine that she is being sought by The Mirror, The Sun and The Star because of this exceptional skill.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2014, 10:50:55 AM
Thankyou for posting that. I have no information.  But my opinion is that if this rumour is true, it will relate to the interrupted burglary only, and not to the "disappearance" per se, because as I have said it is likely that the interrupted burglar fled emptyhanded, and the later physical disappearance was a seperate action by a totally different person.

Pegasus … that is stretching credulity … and it is doing more than stretching the timeline. 

I do not understand this total blindness to anything other than the people who loved Madeleine most in the world being involved in her disappearance; particularly as the focus of the present investigation is elsewhere; it becomes more evident that theory has been dismissed by those in the position to know.

In my opinion what you have posted just is not feasible.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2014, 10:59:05 AM
Pegasus … that is stretching credulity … and it is doing more than stretching the timeline. 

I do not understand this total blindness to anything other than the people who loved Madeleine most in the world being involved in her disappearance; particularly as the focus of the present investigation is elsewhere; it becomes more evident that theory has been dismissed by those in the position to know.

In my opinion what you have posted just is not feasible.

And one dodgy sort not snitching on another dodgy sort for a huge wad of cash is ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2014, 11:16:13 AM
And one dodgy sort not snitching on another dodgy sort for a huge wad of cash is ?

I presume that anyone involved in the abduction of a small child in any way whatsoever is an extremely "dodgy sort" indeed.

You seem to be well informed about dodgy sorts and huge wads of cash ... since that is not the company I would know anything about ... I could not comment ... I will leave it to you to keep us informed of developments.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2014, 11:36:03 AM
I presume that anyone involved in the abduction of a small child in any way whatsoever is an extremely "dodgy sort" indeed.

You seem to be well informed about dodgy sorts and huge wads of cash ... since that is not the company I would know anything about ... I could not comment ... I will leave it to you to keep us informed of developments.

Is it worth pointing out that we have no idea whether the individuals questioned have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance ?

As to your second comment, I don't think you have to be Ronnie Bigg's best pal to appreciate that if there is a large amount of cash offered for information which could solve a crime, if you have such information you'd take it to the proper authorities.

Tell me Brietta, why are you so desperate for these men to appear guilty ? Don't you understand that that would mean Madeleine is almost certainly dead or is that second in importance to the McCanns being innocent ?
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2014, 11:45:40 AM
Is it worth pointing out that we have no idea whether the individuals questioned have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance ?

As to your second comment, I don't think you have to be Ronnie Bigg's best pal to appreciate that if there is a large amount of cash offered for information which could solve a crime, if you have such information you'd take it to the proper authorities.

Tell me Brietta, why are you so desperate for these men to appear guilty ? Don't you understand that that would mean Madeleine is almost certainly dead or is that second in importance to the McCanns being innocent ?

What ... in your opinion ... is the correlation of one with the other?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 15, 2014, 11:48:31 AM
What ... in your opinion ... is the correlation of one with the other?

Yet again you dodge the original question with a question of your own.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 15, 2014, 12:00:59 PM
Is it worth pointing out that we have no idea whether the individuals questioned have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance ?

As to your second comment, I don't think you have to be Ronnie Bigg's best pal to appreciate that if there is a large amount of cash offered for information which could solve a crime, if you have such information you'd take it to the proper authorities.

Tell me Brietta, why are you so desperate for these men to appear guilty ? Don't you understand that that would mean Madeleine is almost certainly dead or is that second in importance to the McCanns being innocent ?

Not if they were commisioned to do the abduction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2014, 12:13:23 PM
Yet again you dodge the original question with a question of your own.

I have asked you to clarify your question which is actually a statement, by indicating what ... in your opinion ... the correlation is between your certainty that Madeleine is dead ... and her parents. 

That is a question and it is not a rhetorical one because you obviously have a firmly held view on the matter.


 - SNIP - “Don't you understand that that would mean Madeleine is almost certainly dead or is that second in importance to the McCanns being innocent ?” http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg173448#msg173448
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 15, 2014, 12:23:14 PM
Is it worth pointing out that we have no idea whether the individuals questioned have anything to do with Madeleine's disappearance ?

As to your second comment, I don't think you have to be Ronnie Bigg's best pal to appreciate that if there is a large amount of cash offered for information which could solve a crime, if you have such information you'd take it to the proper authorities.

Tell me Brietta, why are you so desperate for these men to appear guilty ? Don't you understand that that would mean Madeleine is almost certainly dead or is that second in importance to the McCanns being innocent ?

What a silly and objectionable statement you make without basis in fact. 

If these arguidos have any connection to Madeleine that won’t be decided by me … that will be decided by the evidence and a court of law.

I have no personal opinion about anyone … and most certainly not until due process has decided who is responsible for this heinous crime.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on July 16, 2014, 11:35:02 AM
The English ask for the arguidos’ DNA - The Four Arguidos Revealed

- Illegal means were suggested
- Suspects have started to be questioned

Jornal de Notícias (paper & epaper editions)
by Marisa Rodrigues
02.07.2014

The British police went as far as asking the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) to collect fingerprints and the DNA profile of the four suspects that have now been made arguidos. Furtively, if necessary.

The request is included in a rogatory letter from July last year, but it was challenged by the PJ, because it is illegal. Upon request from Scotland Yard and with approval from the Public Ministry, the suspects were formally made arguidos, yesterday, by inspectors from the PJ’s Southern Directory, in Faro.

At least two of the arguidos were not accompanied by lawyers, that have been nominated in the meantime so the questioning could take place. A list containing over 250 questions awaited them. The majority accepted to answer. The questions were made by the Polícia Judiciária’s inspectors, in the presence of British detectives that could not intervene.

JN knows that the questioning was concluded at the start of the evening and the arguidos are not due to return to the Directory. The last one leaving, at around 20h30, was Sergey Malinka, a Russian citizen with Portuguese nationality, who had already been investigated in 2007, in the Portuguese case. His computers were seized and home searches were made, but nothing relevant was found. He was a friend of Robert Murat, a former arguido in the Portuguese process.

The other suspects are José da Silva, a former Ocean Club driver, Paulo Jorge Ribeiro, unemployed, who suffers from schizophrenia, and Ricardo Jorge, who was then 16 years old. They live in Praia da Luz, some of them near the terrain where the searches took place one month ago. Scotland Yard believes that they planned to burgle the apartment where the McCanns were spending a holiday. But Madeleine woke up and was killed, so she wouldn’t be able to identify them, and the body was carried by one of them, down the streets that were filled with tourists. A theory that makes absolutely no sense for the PJ.

From today, 11 witnesses start being questioned, also at Scotland Yard’s request.

Sniffer dogs for searches in cars

The English authorities are accompanied by sniffer dogs from the United Kingdom, in case after the interrogations and the making of arguidos, it turns out to be necessary to perform searches, for example in cars. The dogs are the same that recently participated in searches on grounds in the Algarve. Earlier in the investigation, in 2007, two dogs (Eddie and Keela) helped collect indicia.



Arguidos: Facts that the English consider to be compromising

Sergei Malinka, businessman, aged 30
Back in 2007, he was a suspect and a target of searches by the PJ. Now, he is again because he discarded a sofa that was analysed by forensic experts and contained hairs that were similar to others found in the McCanns’ apartment. There is also a conversation that was reported in second hand and supposedly heard near Malinka’s home, about a body that had to be disposed of. The English valued the fact that, at the time, the Russian’s car was torched and someone wrote the word “fala” [“talk”] on the sidewalk.

José Silva, former driver, aged 38
He worked at the Ocean Club and the English point him out as the person who chose the apartments that were to be broken into in the resort and was in charge of checking the tourists’ movements. Scotland Yard says that he is compromised by phone calls that he made to other arguidos on the night of the disappearance and his similarity with the e-fit that was based on the description from an Irish family that was on holiday in Praia da Luz. He is allegedly the famous man who was seen carrying a child.

Paulo Ribeiro, aged 50
He became a suspect for the English policemen because foreign tourists described his odd behaviour and his presence near the McCanns’ apartment before the disappearance. A sufferer of mental illness, he was also denounced through his similarity with another e-fit based on the deposition of witnesses who identified him as a beggar and because he knew one of the other arguidos with whom he spoke on the phone on the day of the crime.

Ricardo Rodrigues, aged 23
He was 16 at the time of the disappearance and the English people connect him to the case because of phone calls that he made before the fateful moment and on that same day, including one call to Paulo Ribeiro. Another of the allegedly incriminating arguments is the fact that he fits the description that was made by witnesses of one of the two beggars and a suspect of burglaries in the area of Praia da Luz. Against him there is also the fact that he lives close to some of the other men that were now made arguidos upon request from the English policemen.


This article was published in the Portuguese daily Jornal de Notícias on the 2nd July but a translation was not provided at the time.  It sets out who the new arguidos are and attempts to reason why they have been so designated. Certainly worth a read.

Original article attached below.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on July 16, 2014, 11:59:27 AM
Hmm...the article seems to put paid once and for all to the notion that the McCanns are still the chief suspects in this case doesn't it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2014, 12:26:15 PM
Hmm...the article seems to put paid once and for all to the notion that the McCanns are still the chief suspects in this case doesn't it?

Logic would dictate that ... but when has logic ever been applied when it comes to Madeleine's case?

When you weigh up the notional case which has been engineered against the Drs McCann in which the ‘evidence’ has followed the theory; against the probability that someone with a similar profile to these men has a far more likely chance of being involved in Madeleine’s disappearance …  it is chilling.   

Bearing in mind that these individuals may yet be eliminated from the inquiry, only now is the evidence being followed to substantiate what might have occurred. 

These people or someone very like them were resident in Luz at the time in question; everything that led to them being interviewed has been available for the past seven years; concentration of resources on erroneous and misrepresented information has allowed this situation to be perpetuated.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on July 16, 2014, 12:40:06 PM
Logic would dictate that ... but when has logic ever been applied when it comes to Madeleine's case?

When you weigh up the notional case which has been engineered against the Drs McCann in which the ‘evidence’ has followed the theory; against the probability that someone with a similar profile to these men has a far more likely chance of being involved in Madeleine’s disappearance …  it is chilling.   

Bearing in mind that these individuals may yet be eliminated from the inquiry, only now is the evidence being followed to substantiate what might have occurred. 

These people or someone very like them were resident in Luz at the time in question; everything that led to them being interviewed has been available for the past seven years; concentration of resources on erroneous and misrepresented information has allowed this situation to be perpetuated.

I notice you have nothing to say on the subject of SY's willingness to use illegal means to gain fingerprint and DNA evidence. When I remember all the righteous indignation from the believers when Gerry was told, to gain information, that a DNA match to Madeleine had been found it does make them look rather silly in your unquestioning support for SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 16, 2014, 01:40:39 PM
I notice you have nothing to say on the subject of SY's willingness to use illegal means to gain fingerprint and DNA evidence. When I remember all the righteous indignation from the believers when Gerry was told, to gain information, that a DNA match to Madeleine had been found it does make them look rather silly in your unquestioning support for SY.

Since when have Letters of Request been sent to ask for evidence to be collected by illegal means?

That is such an obvious fabrication I am astounded that you have
a: bothered to repeat it
b: been 'taken in' by it ... if you have.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on July 16, 2014, 01:59:15 PM
Since when have Letters of Request been sent to ask for evidence to be collected by illegal means?

That is such an obvious fabrication I am astounded that you have
a: bothered to repeat it
b: been 'taken in' by it ... if you have.


I was about to say roughly the same thing.

John didn't provide a cite, but I presume that he took it from
http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/07/phone-calls-and-hairs-frame-suspects.html

Interestingly, Joana makes the following comment at the bottom:


Note: Firstly published on this blog on 02/07/2014 08:00 GMT, republished on 14 July 2014 at 19:00 GMT - this Correio da Manhã article is important because it quotes directly from one of the Metropolitan Police rogatory letters. Everything in square brackets is my personal addition to text either to aid the flow of the readability of the text or to explain facts.


Has Faro been leaking again? If so, are they any more accurate than 2007 Groundhog leaks?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on July 25, 2014, 04:21:33 PM
Discussion on the radio now, LBC, with John Stapleton, with a phone in. SKY 0112.

Theme about whether it is right to leave children by themselves, and discussing a case of a woman who was cautioned for leaving a baby in the car in high temperatures, whilst going shopping.........

Witnesses had called the police seeing the baby sweating in the vehicle.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on July 25, 2014, 04:40:10 PM
I notice you have nothing to say on the subject of SY's willingness to use illegal means to gain fingerprint and DNA evidence. When I remember all the righteous indignation from the believers when Gerry was told, to gain information, that a DNA match to Madeleine had been found it does make them look rather silly in your unquestioning support for SY.

SY would not use illegal means as this would make any evidence obtained inadmissible..the article is misleading
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 25, 2014, 04:47:02 PM
SY would not use illegal means as this would make any evidence obtained inadmissible..the article is misleading

I'm sure they would, though they would not want to admit it for the reason you give.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 25, 2014, 05:02:17 PM

Don't be silly.  Evidence recovered by less than lawful means would not be admissible, and would result in the suspect being released from prosecution.
Everybody knows that.  Especially wherein a foreign country is concerned.

This just did not happen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on July 27, 2014, 04:20:18 PM
Are there any news  about charges on the 'imminent arrests' as told by the Sun newspaper?  The newspaper who made Millions from a child's fate! Tsk Tsk

Anyone charged at all?  with anything?  any new evidence?

[ removed off topic comment ]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 02, 2014, 01:08:44 PM
Are there any news  about charges on the 'imminent arrests' as told by the Sun newspaper?  The newspaper who made Millions from a child's fate! Tsk Tsk

Anyone charged at all?  with anything?  any new evidence?

[ removed off topic comment ]
As I understand the next stage of the investigation is to take dna and fingerprints from the present arguidos. As the PJ will not co operate this will need a rogatory letter from the UK. The request to interview these present arguidos took a year to process from what I can see . This is why SY would like a joint investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on August 02, 2014, 04:19:11 PM
The Portuguese authorities have consistently refused a joint investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Archive - Portuguese reject joint investigation (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/pj-rejeita-investigacao-conjunta-com-britanicos-ao-desaparecimento-de-madeleine-mccann&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmadeleine%2Bmccann%2Binvestiga%25C3%25A7%25C3%25A3o%2Bconjunta%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew)

Maybe they are not impressed by the Met's reputation for honesty.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 02, 2014, 04:29:37 PM
Maybe they are not impressed by the Met's reputation for honesty.

Then the news from Portugal illustrates that people in glass houses etc; etc;

"The court sentenced the two policemen from Loures Division - who are suspended from office for more than 10 months without salary - the sentences of three years and seven months and two years and 10 months in prison, suspended in its execution by same period, the crimes of complicity with criminal association, recetação and abuse of power."

 Ler mais em: http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&prev=/search%3Fq%3DTrinta%2Barguidos,%2B21%2Bcondena%25C3%25A7%25C3%25B5es%2Ba%2Bpenas%2Befectivas,%2Bsete%2Bpenas%2Bsuspensas%2Be%2Bduas%2Babsolvi%25C3%25A7%25C3%25B5es.%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D705&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=pt-BR&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/dois-policias-culpados-de-crimes-de-recetacao-levam-pena-suspensa&usg=ALkJrhiq9icSRWL-wo_90ufZ2LDOdrhDHg

Article (http://www.translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/detalhe/noticias/ultima-hora/dois-policias-culpados-de-crimes-de-recetacao-levam-pena-suspensa&prev=/search%3Fq%3DTrinta%2Barguidos,%2B21%2Bcondena%25C3%25A7%25C3%25B5es%2Ba%2Bpenas%2Befectivas,%2Bsete%2Bpenas%2Bsuspensas%2Be%2Bduas%2Babsolvi%25C3%25A7%25C3%25B5es.%26client%3Dms-opera-mobile%26channel%3Dnew%26biw%3D1280%26bih%3D705)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 02, 2014, 07:18:27 PM
Joint investigation?  No way. No other police force can interfere with an ongoing investigation.

 This brings me to ask why did the PJ re open the case if it has been said that the PJ and NSY do not agree on what happened.

 Who would have over all authority over persons being  arrested and charged?. I certainly would not like a Spanish police force to come into my country and arrest me to question me on something I did not do...

And, I have to ask are the NSY going to follow all the leads those "fat, lazy, sardine munching, cops" didn't even bother to checkout. You know  from America-arabia-australia... peedos, gypsies, childless couples....it could take years and many millions to find out...she is dead and the parents made money from a fund from their dead daughter!  So at least some good came  of it? celebrity lifestyle, political commentators, Rubbing shoulders with world leaders...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on August 02, 2014, 07:57:21 PM
Joint investigation?  No way. No other police force can interfere with an ongoing investigation.

 This brings me to ask why did the PJ re open the case if it has been said that the PJ and NSY do not agree on what happened.

 Who would have over all authority over persons being  arrested and charged?. I certainly would not like a Spanish police force to come into my country and arrest me to question me on something I did not do...

And, I have to ask are the NSY going to follow all the leads those "fat, lazy, sardine munching, cops" didn't even bother to checkout. You know  from America-arabia-australia... peedos, gypsies, childless couples....it could take years and many millions to find out...she is dead and the parents made money from a fund from their dead daughter!  So at least some good came  of it? celebrity lifestyle, political commentators, Rubbing shoulders with world leaders...


What celebrity lifestyle?   The only time they appear in public is in connection with Madeleine, or when raising money for charity.   They are the most reluctant  'celebrities' I have ever seen.   


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on August 06, 2014, 12:56:12 PM
Latest news: There isn't any, all quiet on the western front.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 06, 2014, 10:57:12 PM
Latest news: There isn't any, all quiet on the western front.

It's whilst they are quiet , that the perp has to worry IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on August 16, 2014, 12:30:46 AM
Met chief vows no let-up in search for Madeleine

BRITAIN’S top policeman vowed to keep going in the hunt to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann after Scotland Yard’s major operations this summer.

By: John Twomey
Published: Fri, August 15, 2014
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/499453/Met-chief-let-up-search-Madeleine
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2014, 09:23:18 AM
Met chief vows no let-up in search for Madeleine

BRITAIN’S top policeman vowed to keep going in the hunt to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann after Scotland Yard’s major operations this summer.

By: John Twomey
Published: Fri, August 15, 2014
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/499453/Met-chief-let-up-search-Madeleine

Great news...confirms progress made and confirms the police will not give up
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 16, 2014, 11:33:42 AM
What astonishing news my dears.
Such wonderful news from Met Chief Hogan-Howe according to John Twomey on 15th August 2014
He praised Portuguese authorities for allowing Yard detectives to take part in the summer search.
“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.
However, no trace of Madeleine has been found and police have no idea what happened to her.
Suspicion has focused on drug addict Euclides Monteiro.

Mercy me arrests must be imminent...again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 16, 2014, 11:46:01 AM
What astonishing news my dears.
Such wonderful news from Met Chief Hogan-Howe according to John Twomey on 15th August 2014
He praised Portuguese authorities for allowing Yard detectives to take part in the summer search.
“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.
However, no trace of Madeleine has been found and police have no idea what happened to her.
Suspicion has focused on drug addict Euclides Monteiro.

Mercy me arrests must be imminent...again.

perhaps if the PJ really would help SY more progress would be made
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on August 16, 2014, 11:57:04 AM
Perhaps there is no progress to make in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 17, 2014, 02:11:40 AM
Met chief vows no let-up in search for Madeleine

BRITAIN’S top policeman vowed to keep going in the hunt to discover what happened to Madeleine McCann after Scotland Yard’s major operations this summer.

By: John Twomey
Published: Fri, August 15, 2014
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/499453/Met-chief-let-up-search-Madeleine

“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.

What progress?  Nothing found, nobody arrested and the bill keeps getting bigger by the day.  What about the other British children who have been abducted from the UK or while on holiday?  Will Hogan-Howe be spending £6m plus on them and if not, why not?

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=82.0

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 17, 2014, 02:14:26 AM
Madeleine McCann update: Will Operation Grange ever succeed?

Digital Journal
16 August 2014

Operation Grange was launched in 2011 in hopes of finding Madeleine McCann, but the child remains missing, and none of the case details have changed from the beginning. The search for Madeleine McCann continues beyond the seventh year of her high-profile disappearance, but no trace of her or any evidence behind her disappearance has been located by detectives. This is true even three years after "Operation Grange" was launched specifically to find the missing child. In this latest media report about the case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe assured the public that there will be no "let up" in the search for the child. So even if another three years drags by, the case will still receive the dedication it always has.

Hogan-Howe also acknowledged that Portuguese officials are cooperating and allowing Scotland Yard special detectives to search and investigate as needed. He even praised Portugal for allowing them to search for Maddie this past summer. The summer searches, as numerous posts documented, came up with nothing. However, some clothes were found that haven't been confirmed as hers or not. It's also been reported that Yard detectives aren't done, since they haven't yet searched this abandoned well that has some people curious.

Operation Grange was launched in 2011 in hopes of finding Madeleine McCann, but the child remains missing, and none of the case details have changed from the beginning. The search for Madeleine McCann continues beyond the seventh year of her high-profile disappearance, but no trace of her or any evidence behind her disappearance has been located by detectives. This is true even three years after "Operation Grange" was launched specifically to find the missing child. In this latest media report about the case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe assured the public that there will be no "let up" in the search for the child. So even if another three years drags by, the case will still receive the dedication it always has.

Hogan-Howe also acknowledged that Portuguese officials are cooperating and allowing Scotland Yard special detectives to search and investigate as needed. He even praised Portugal for allowing them to search for Maddie this past summer. The summer searches, as numerous posts documented, came up with nothing. However, some clothes were found that haven't been confirmed as hers or not. It's also been reported that Yard detectives aren't done, since they haven't yet searched this abandoned well that has some people curious.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-update-will-operation-grange-ever-succeed/article/397221#ixzz3AbjhwkUG


Q.  How hard can it be to determine if the clothes are Madeleine's pj's?  FFS !!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 17, 2014, 07:57:13 AM
“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.

What progress?  Nothing found, nobody arrested and the bill keeps getting bigger by the day.  What about the other British children who have been abducted from the UK or while on holiday?  Will Hogan-Howe be spending £6m plus on them and if not, why not?

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=82.0

There is only one other that immediately springs to mind, John; thankfully it is not an everyday occurrence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 08:00:13 AM
“A reasonable amount of progress has been made,” he added.

What progress?  Nothing found, nobody arrested and the bill keeps getting bigger by the day.  What about the other British children who have been abducted from the UK or while on holiday?  Will Hogan-Howe be spending £6m plus on them and if not, why not?

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?board=82.0

and those John are precisely the points that Hogan-Howe doesn't get.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 17, 2014, 08:07:29 AM
Madeleine McCann update: Will Operation Grange ever succeed?

Digital Journal
16 August 2014

Operation Grange was launched in 2011 in hopes of finding Madeleine McCann, but the child remains missing, and none of the case details have changed from the beginning. The search for Madeleine McCann continues beyond the seventh year of her high-profile disappearance, but no trace of her or any evidence behind her disappearance has been located by detectives. This is true even three years after "Operation Grange" was launched specifically to find the missing child. In this latest media report about the case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe assured the public that there will be no "let up" in the search for the child. So even if another three years drags by, the case will still receive the dedication it always has.

Hogan-Howe also acknowledged that Portuguese officials are cooperating and allowing Scotland Yard special detectives to search and investigate as needed. He even praised Portugal for allowing them to search for Maddie this past summer. The summer searches, as numerous posts documented, came up with nothing. However, some clothes were found that haven't been confirmed as hers or not. It's also been reported that Yard detectives aren't done, since they haven't yet searched this abandoned well that has some people curious.

Operation Grange was launched in 2011 in hopes of finding Madeleine McCann, but the child remains missing, and none of the case details have changed from the beginning. The search for Madeleine McCann continues beyond the seventh year of her high-profile disappearance, but no trace of her or any evidence behind her disappearance has been located by detectives. This is true even three years after "Operation Grange" was launched specifically to find the missing child. In this latest media report about the case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe assured the public that there will be no "let up" in the search for the child. So even if another three years drags by, the case will still receive the dedication it always has.

Hogan-Howe also acknowledged that Portuguese officials are cooperating and allowing Scotland Yard special detectives to search and investigate as needed. He even praised Portugal for allowing them to search for Maddie this past summer. The summer searches, as numerous posts documented, came up with nothing. However, some clothes were found that haven't been confirmed as hers or not. It's also been reported that Yard detectives aren't done, since they haven't yet searched this abandoned well that has some people curious.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-update-will-operation-grange-ever-succeed/article/397221#ixzz3AbjhwkUG


Q.  How hard can it be to determine if the clothes are Madeleine's pj's?  FFS !!

In terms of a 'missing person inquiry' the active search for what happened to Madeleine has really only started at the end of last year when the Home Secretary authorised the reopening of the case on the recommendation of NSY based on evidence recovered from their forensic review of the case.

As far as the alleged clothing goes ~ if anything was in the ground for a period of seven years, I doubt there would be much remaining.
Perhaps this is where the Pyjama sample sourced by Dr Amaral will come into its own.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on August 17, 2014, 08:14:57 AM
Perhaps this is where the Pyjama sample sourced by Dr Amaral will come into its own.

Do you mean the brand-new set bought from Marks and Spencers?

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007. I am herewith delivering to the Police Scientific Laboratory a pair of girl's pyjamas.

The Pyjamas are from Marks and Spencers, size 2 to 3 years -97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces: camisole type without buttons and half sleeves, pink with designs, letters and tracing in white with (small) floral patterns, the right pyjama bottom leg has a design (smaller size) which is identical to that of the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

With compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Goncalo Amaral

_______________________________________________


1723 to 1725  Letter 15 March 2007 from LPC to PJ Portimao asking what should be done with the pyjamas there having been no fibres collected during the Inquiry
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1723
 Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref no. 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the above mentioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.
With compliments.

PP The Director of the SPL

Armando Santos
(Haed of Sector)
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1724
 also Outros Apensos I, Vol I Page 33
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1724
 
Letter

To: Scientific Police Laboratory

Date: 5th June 2007

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007 from P da L.

By means of this note I am sending a set of child's pyjamas to the Scientific Police Laboratory.

The pyjamas are of Marks $ Spencers make and size 2/3 years, 97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces, a camisole without buttons and half length sleeves, pink in colour with designs and letters and white trousers with floral motifs (small), on the right leg there is a design (smaller size) that is the same as the design on the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs and presumably texture, as those the girl was wearing at the moment of her disappearance.

The article sent serves for eventual comparison with 'fibres' collected during the competent examinations carried out by staff from the SPL, within this inquiry.

Compliments.

G. Amaral

(Note: there is handwriting over the text which I can't fully make out).
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 17, 2014, 11:18:01 AM
perhaps if the PJ really would help SY more progress would be made

My dear man that particular pudding has been well and truly over egged and like the poor ladies cakes in the King Alfred tale has been burned to a crisp. Mr Hogan-Howe praised the Portuguese for their assistance. Or do you believe that is a euphemism?

p.s I meant Alfred The Great rather than suggesting a promotion for our Alfred.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2014, 11:20:46 AM
Madeleine McCann update: Will Operation Grange ever succeed?

Digital Journal
16 August 2014

Operation Grange was launched in 2011 in hopes of finding Madeleine McCann, but the child remains missing, and none of the case details have changed from the beginning. The search for Madeleine McCann continues beyond the seventh year of her high-profile disappearance, but no trace of her or any evidence behind her disappearance has been located by detectives. This is true even three years after "Operation Grange" was launched specifically to find the missing child. In this latest media report about the case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe assured the public that there will be no "let up" in the search for the child. So even if another three years drags by, the case will still receive the dedication it always has.

Hogan-Howe also acknowledged that Portuguese officials are cooperating and allowing Scotland Yard special detectives to search and investigate as needed. He even praised Portugal for allowing them to search for Maddie this past summer. The summer searches, as numerous posts documented, came up with nothing. However, some clothes were found that haven't been confirmed as hers or not. It's also been reported that Yard detectives aren't done, since they haven't yet searched this abandoned well that has some people curious.

Operation Grange was launched in 2011 in hopes of finding Madeleine McCann, but the child remains missing, and none of the case details have changed from the beginning. The search for Madeleine McCann continues beyond the seventh year of her high-profile disappearance, but no trace of her or any evidence behind her disappearance has been located by detectives. This is true even three years after "Operation Grange" was launched specifically to find the missing child. In this latest media report about the case, Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe assured the public that there will be no "let up" in the search for the child. So even if another three years drags by, the case will still receive the dedication it always has.

Hogan-Howe also acknowledged that Portuguese officials are cooperating and allowing Scotland Yard special detectives to search and investigate as needed. He even praised Portugal for allowing them to search for Maddie this past summer. The summer searches, as numerous posts documented, came up with nothing. However, some clothes were found that haven't been confirmed as hers or not. It's also been reported that Yard detectives aren't done, since they haven't yet searched this abandoned well that has some people curious.

Read more: http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-update-will-operation-grange-ever-succeed/article/397221#ixzz3AbjhwkUG


Q.  How hard can it be to determine if the clothes are Madeleine's pj's?  FFS !!

So who wrote this article john?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 17, 2014, 12:33:05 PM
So who wrote this article john?

It appears to have been taken down since the early hours of this morning.  Could this be yet another case of the disappearing story?  &%+((£

Was the mention of the clothes found a clue?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 17, 2014, 12:48:22 PM

Why just Clothes?  No body?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 17, 2014, 12:53:28 PM
It appears to have been taken down since the early hours of this morning.  Could this be yet another case of the disappearing story?  &%+((£

Was the mention of the clothes found a clue?


Hmmm.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on August 17, 2014, 01:03:32 PM
So who wrote this article john?

It was by Chelsea Hoffman........................................ I still on my screen from early this morning when I used Johns link.

Try this link direct from what I have on now..........................

http://www.digitaljournal.com/news/crime/madeleine-mccann-update-will-operation-grange-ever-succeed/article/397221#ixzz3AbjhwkUG

Nope.....doesn't work either &%&£(+
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 17, 2014, 01:20:51 PM

Chelsea Hoffman?  She is a raving nutter, and self confessed ex drug addict.  She knows nothing about anything, and makes it up as she goes along.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 17, 2014, 01:34:34 PM
I am only aware of McCann doubters writing pseudo journalistic pieces on the net which are lapped up by the gullible.....no McCann supporters trying to pretend to be independent journalists giving an objective view
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 17, 2014, 01:53:38 PM
I am only aware of McCann doubters writing pseudo journalistic pieces on the net which are lapped up by the gullible.....no McCann supporters trying to pretend to be independent journalists giving an objective view


...and there are no mccann supporters who can be classified as being objective.

It's a contradiction in terms.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 17, 2014, 02:01:36 PM
Perhaps this is where the Pyjama sample sourced by Dr Amaral will come into its own.

Do you mean the brand-new set bought from Marks and Spencers?

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007. I am herewith delivering to the Police Scientific Laboratory a pair of girl's pyjamas.

The Pyjamas are from Marks and Spencers, size 2 to 3 years -97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces: camisole type without buttons and half sleeves, pink with designs, letters and tracing in white with (small) floral patterns, the right pyjama bottom leg has a design (smaller size) which is identical to that of the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs as well as presumably the texture, to those the little girl was wearing at the time of her disappearance. The article sent serves for eventual comparisons with fibres collected by the competent officers of the Police Scientific Lab, within the scope of the current investigation.

With compliments

Signed

The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Goncalo Amaral

_______________________________________________


1723 to 1725  Letter 15 March 2007 from LPC to PJ Portimao asking what should be done with the pyjamas there having been no fibres collected during the Inquiry
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1723 to 1725
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1723
 Letter
To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Date: 2007/03/15 (sic)

Ref: NUIPC 201/07 GALGS

Your communication: 2007/06/05

Ref no. 15971 Reg Correspondence 6429/07

Subject: Information

With reference to the above mentioned letter and in compliance with the despatch, we request you to provide us with information with regard to what should be done with the material sent, given that in this Scientific Police Laboratory there are no fibres that have been collected within the scope of the investigation mentioned above.
With compliments.

PP The Director of the SPL

Armando Santos
(Haed of Sector)
07 Processos Vol VII Page 1724
 also Outros Apensos I, Vol I Page 33
07_VOLUME_VI1a_Page_1724
 
Letter

To: Scientific Police Laboratory

Date: 5th June 2007

Subject: Sending of Pyjamas

The present inquiry investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on 3rd May 2007 from P da L.

By means of this note I am sending a set of child's pyjamas to the Scientific Police Laboratory.

The pyjamas are of Marks $ Spencers make and size 2/3 years, 97 cm.

The pyjamas are composed of two pieces, a camisole without buttons and half length sleeves, pink in colour with designs and letters and white trousers with floral motifs (small), on the right leg there is a design (smaller size) that is the same as the design on the camisole.

The pyjamas being sent are 'equal' in make, model, size, colours and designs and presumably texture, as those the girl was wearing at the moment of her disappearance.

The article sent serves for eventual comparison with 'fibres' collected during the competent examinations carried out by staff from the SPL, within this inquiry.

Compliments.

G. Amaral

(Note: there is handwriting over the text which I can't fully make out).

Indeed ~ and I too had a bit of trouble wondering why?  It would be astounding if the same batch of material had been used in the manufacture of those and Madeleine's pj's; despite the design being the same would the fibres have been a match?

Who knows what Dr Amaral's thought process was on this.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 17, 2014, 02:38:23 PM
Indeed ~ and I too had a bit of trouble wondering why?  It would be astounding if the same batch of material had been used in the manufacture of those and Madeleine's pj's; despite the design being the same would the fibres have been a match?

Who knows what Dr Amaral's thought process was on this.

In the end there were no synthetic fibres found as we know.

However, if there had been and even if matching synthetic fibres had been presented at a trial, would a court-appointed defence attorney for a poor Portuguese family in a similar situation or a jury member have thought to question the source of the batch of fibres at the time of purchase of the original pyjamas (which could obviously vary depending on the supplier at the time)? Or would they have just accepted that pyjamas of the same brand would necessarily have been made from material / fibres from the same supplier?

What means (financial or time-wise) would such a defence lawyer actually have to check and present counter-evidence, if, e.g., the supplier had changed since the original purchase and that the fibres were not identical?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 17, 2014, 02:40:27 PM
Chelsea Hoffman?  She is a raving nutter, and self confessed ex drug addict.  She knows nothing about anything, and makes it up as she goes along.

She is a strong advocate for Stephen Birch by the look of it so I agree with you Eleanor.  *&*%£

 www.chelseahoffman.com/2013/06/madeleine-mccann-is-likely-under-murat.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 17, 2014, 02:50:48 PM
She is a strong advocate for Stephen Birch by the look of it so I agree with you Eleanor.  *&*%£

 www.chelseahoffman.com/2013/06/madeleine-mccann-is-likely-under-murat.html

Phew.  Thank goodness someone does.

By the way, that theory rules out Amaral's theory of the body in the car.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 22, 2014, 05:47:33 PM
I must say, the latest nil news from PdL is deafening...they do say no news is good news but for who?

On the other hand, has the latest threat by Gonçalo Amaral effectively killed the golden goose?   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2014, 05:49:35 PM
I must say, the latest nil news from PdL is deafening...they do say no news is good news but for who?

Has the latest threat by Gonçalo Amaral effectively killed the golden goose?   @)(++(*

no John...

SY it seems have had to send another ILOR to get the dna and prints from the arguidos..that's why we are hearing nothing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 22, 2014, 05:52:43 PM
no John...

SY it seems have had to send another ILOR to get the dna and prints from the arguidos..that's why we are hearing nothing

The Portuguese media appear to have effectively pulled the plug on this story but then again everybody goes into fiesta mode in Portugal and Spain in August anyway.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2014, 05:55:02 PM
The Portuguese media appear to have effectively pulled the plug on this story but then again everybody goes into fiesta mode in Portugal and Spain in August anyway.

according to the UK police the investigation is ongoing
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 22, 2014, 06:18:10 PM
I've heard of this Chelsea, can someone provide a link to where she is supporting Birch.

I thought also the Portuguese authorities were going to prosecute him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 22, 2014, 06:21:23 PM
I've heard of this Chelsea, can someone provide a link to where she is supporting Birch.

I thought also the Portuguese authorities were going to prosecute him.

think they are waiting for the result of the murat tanner case first
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 22, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
Kate McCann's torment that Madeleine won't be starting ''big school'' next week

Mirror
22 August 2014

Kate told a close pal: “It’s such a big step and she would have been so excited. It hurts so much that we won’t be doing it”

(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3829568.ece/alternates/s338b/Kate-McCann-L-and-her-husband-Gerry-McCann.jpg)

Kate McCann has told of her sorrow that missing Madeleine is not home to start “big school” next week.

Her eldest daughter would have turned 11 in May and been due to move up to secondary school on Thursday.

Kate told a close pal: “Madeleine should be here and I should be helping her prepare for big school like all her friends.

“It’s such a big step and she would have been so excited. It hurts so much that we won’t be doing it.”

The former GP, who gave up work to be a full-time mum, said to her friend: “We never thought she would be missing for this long.

"She was always such a bright, inquisitive little girl at nursery school but sadly we never got to see her develop at primary school.

“And now she should be going off to big school...it’s so tough not knowing where she is and sometimes our hope feels so far away."

Read more... (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/kate-mccanns-torment-madeleine-wont-4092857#ixzz3BGqDGpCF)

School website notice (http://www.bishopellis.leics.sch.uk/pages/?page_id=84)


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 22, 2014, 07:30:04 PM
I thought that was a forum myth.

Hmm. That one seems to be in the half-myth category.

A few years ago, Keir Simmons had verified with someone that a suit had been filed and Amaral had stated at some point that he'd testified. As there doesn't appear to have been a trial, I presume that that meant that he'd provided a statement.

However, as Amaral had somehow got Jane Tanner and Fiona Payne confused.... Hard to tell what the judge may have made of whatever Amaral may have stated. ETA And Jane Tanner never made a statement positively identifying Murat, nor has she intimated any such thing in public.

So... no idea what's happened there. It's either on a Portuguese legal back-burner or it got quietly thrown out.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 22, 2014, 08:09:27 PM

The charge seems to have been Malicious Intent.  Although how that was possible for a witness in The McCann Case who never actually identified Robert Murat.  And who would have been protected by The Law anyway, is a bit of a mystery.

If it ever happened, then quite possibly Amaral's testimony would have put paid to that.  Can you even begin to imagine a Lead Detective who was thrown off the case for breaking The Secrecy Laws, or something, actually testifying against a witness?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on August 22, 2014, 08:29:23 PM
It would be interesting to see how many people are supporting this 'investigation' and which direction it is taking. The police have stated they don't know what happened to little Maddie- maybe they are just chasing rainbows...following leads even if they lead them nowhere nearer knowing her demise- as is where they are to date.

They will never get a confession from the gypsies/paedo gangs/arabs/childless couples seeking stolen kids, and there is no proof that any' other people of interest' who are dead can be blamed...stale mate!  back to the beginning. So Mr& Mrs McCann what happened on that night...

Mind you- they could offer 1 million pounds as a reward.. hmm the newspapers tried that..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Heriberto Janosch on August 22, 2014, 10:54:21 PM
Malinka cleared? The other three remain as suspects?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-return-portugal-4092680 (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-return-portugal-4092680)

Madeleine McCann: Police to return to Portugal as search reaches 'make or break' moment

Aug 22, 2014 22:30 By Russell Myers

Up to seven officers from Scotland Yard's Operation Grange will hold meetings with senior Portuguese investigators

British police searching for missing Madeleine McCann are poised to return to Portugal to try to solve the seven-year riddle of the girl’s disappearance.

After weeks of tense negotiations, a team of Scotland Yard detectives will travel to the seaside resort of Praia da Luz next month.

The latest development is described by sources close to the investigation as a “make-or-break moment”.

Up to seven officers from Operation Grange will hold meetings with senior Portuguese investigators.

It is understood they have been granted permission to interview up to seven key suspects identified earlier this year – three of whom will be questioned for a second time.

The last time the Met officers were in Portugal, in May this year, they conducted interviews with four people, known as arguidos.

The Portuguese term – normally translated as “named suspect” or “formal suspect” – refers to someone who is treated by Portuguese police as more than a witness, but has not been arrested or charged.

One of them, Russian-born Sergey Malinka, has been told he is no longer under suspicion.

But now detectives have been given the go-ahead to question the remaining suspects they believe hold vital information that could help them crack the case.

Analysis of mobile phone data suggests at least three of them were close to the scene when three-year-old Madeleine vanished at the resort on May 3, 2007, and were in contact in the hours that followed.

A source said: “Thousands of pieces of evidence have been re-examined by the Scotland Yard team to get to this stage. This is far from a scatter-gun approach.

“The detectives are acutely aware there is a finite amount of money for the investigation and that they need results. It is hoped they are on the right track to achieving those objectives.”

Portuguese authorities are also understood to have granted permission for Yard officers to investigate new “areas of interest”.

In May, a team of detectives led by Det Chief Inspector Andy Redwood travelled to the Algarve to supervise digs on scrubland near the resort.

But after eight days of searches, using sniffer dogs and ground-penetrating radar, nothing was found.

Portuguese sources have described the Met probe, which has so far cost UK taxpayers more than £6million, as a senseless waste of time.

Madeleine’s parents Kate, 46, and Gerry, 45, from Rothley, Leics, are not expected to travel to Portugal but are being kept informed of developments.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on August 22, 2014, 11:07:35 PM
You're not permitted to say Malinka has been cleared, Heriberto.  Don't forget the mantra "The McCanns have not been cleared"!  Once a suspect always a suspect as far as some people are concerned...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on August 22, 2014, 11:12:15 PM
Quote
Portuguese authorities are also understood to have granted permission for Yard officers to investigate new “areas of interest”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-return-portugal-4092680#ixzz3BA4w513v

This sounds interesting..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on August 22, 2014, 11:12:41 PM
There is one place they will focus on. No abductor dressed her in long sleeves before taking her away.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 07:40:00 AM
'Portuguese sources have described the Met probe, which has so far cost UK taxpayers more than £6million, as a senseless waste of time.'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-return-portugal-4092680#ixzz3BC71srZL
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebookbet someone has threated


Well the Portuguese have got it in one,. and it 's a fair bet someone has suspended to halt the investigation/finance unless they come up with results .



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2014, 08:40:02 AM
'Portuguese sources have described the Met probe, which has so far cost UK taxpayers more than £6million, as a senseless waste of time.'

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-return-portugal-4092680#ixzz3BC71srZL
Follow us: @DailyMirror on Twitter | DailyMirror on Facebookbet someone has threated


Well the Portuguese have got it in one,. and it 's a fair bet someone has suspended to halt the investigation/finance unless they come up with results .

Shame the un named cowardly Portuguese source hasn't got the guts to give his name. if the Portuguese had carried out a proper investigation in the first place none of this would have been necessary
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 23, 2014, 09:05:40 AM
'But now detectives have been given the go-ahead to question the remaining suspects they believe hold vital information that could help them crack the case.

Analysis of mobile phone data suggests at least three of them were close to the scene when three-year-old Madeleine vanished at the resort on May 3, 2007, and were in contact in the hours that followed.....................................


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 09:08:13 AM
Shame the un named cowardly Portuguese source hasn't got the guts to give his name. if the Portuguese had carried out a proper investigation in the first place none of this would have been necessary

Pure rollocks.

Just more xenophobia.

The truth hurts.

No mention of the unnamed Mirror sources davel.


Are they 'cowardly' with no 'guts' either ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2014, 09:10:20 AM
Pure rollocks.

Just more xenophobia.

The truth hurts.

No mention of the unnamed Mirror sources davel.


Are they 'cowardly' with no 'guts' either ?

anyone who makes a derogatory anonymous statement is cowardly...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 09:12:43 AM
So anyone have a link showing Chelsea Hoffmann and Stephen Birch ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 23, 2014, 09:50:22 AM
I must admit that I thought no-one involved – even just on the periphery as a witness to something - would break ranks because it would be too risky to do so; but as you say, future developments should be compelling.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 23, 2014, 09:52:42 AM
What ?

I have the distinct impression that you are less than happy that the Met investigation is set to continue in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 09:58:25 AM
I have the distinct impression that you are less than happy that the Met investigation is set to continue in Portugal.

Not quite Brietta.

It more than appears SY are clutching at straws and this is the last throw of the dice.

..and don't forget if the Portuguese don't like what's going on, END OF INVESTIGATION. 8(0(*

P.S. We've heard this kind of story before, and what has happened ???
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 23, 2014, 10:10:46 AM
Not quite Brietta.

It more than appears SY are clutching at straws and this is the last throw of the dice.

..and don't forget if the Portuguese don't like what's going on, END OF INVESTIGATION. 8(0(*

I don't see how. The Portuguese investigation may well wind up towards the end of the year, as there are now arguidos, unless new arguidos are constituted.

However, there is still the aspect of international cooperation vis-à-vis the UK investigation. The PT authorities could, of course, reject some requests, but it wouldn't look to good if they started refusing all requests.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 10:14:14 AM
I don't see how. The Portuguese investigation may well wind up towards the end of the year, as there are now arguidos, unless new arguidos are constituted.

However, there is still the aspect of international cooperation vis-à-vis the UK investigation. The PT authorities could, of course, reject some requests, but it wouldn't look to good if they started refusing all requests.

I suspect it has become even with Cameron, who allowed this investigation, the money pot will run out, with zero results to show.

and what if the new arguidos do a 'kate mccann' and refuse to answer questions ?

Nothing I have seen to date will allow this case to reach a conclusion, bar a confession.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 23, 2014, 11:07:11 AM
Not quite Brietta.

It more than appears SY are clutching at straws and this is the last throw of the dice.

..and don't forget if the Portuguese don't like what's going on, END OF INVESTIGATION. 8(0(*

P.S. We've heard this kind of story before, and what has happened ???

I don’t believe we have heard this kind of story before; nor have we had such an intensive professional investigation into what happened to Madeleine McCann; it is regrettable only in that the Portuguese authorities have disallowed joint working. 

I am sure there are those in Portuguese society who already “don’t like what’s going on”, no doubt for many reasons; but in my opinion prime amongst them will be those who know and who are responsible for what happened to Madeleine on the 3rd and thereafter.

If NSY “are clutching at straws” among them are the straws that the initial investigation ignored; the fact that there are so many is an indictment on the way that investigation was conducted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2014, 11:11:45 AM
I suspect it has become even with Cameron, who allowed this investigation, the money pot will run out, with zero results to show.

and what if the new arguidos do a 'kate mccann' and refuse to answer questions ?

Nothing I have seen to date will allow this case to reach a conclusion, bar a confession.
but if they didn't answer questions that would prove they are guilty...according to the doubters on this forum
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 11:14:58 AM
but if they didn't answer questions that would prove they are guilty...according to the doubters on this forum

So just like kate mccann davel ? %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 23, 2014, 11:17:36 AM
I suspect it has become even with Cameron, who allowed this investigation, the money pot will run out, with zero results to show.

and what if the new arguidos do a 'kate mccann' and refuse to answer questions ?

Nothing I have seen to date will allow this case to reach a conclusion, bar a confession.

The change in the law which came into force days after the Drs McCann were made arguidos means that evidence had to be presented against the "new arguidos" before they could be constituted as such.

I presume if they refuse to answer questions that evidence will be strong enough to allow proceedings to continue; as we have seen in Mr Malinka's case, he appears to have been successful in contesting the evidence presented against him; the other three remain arguidos.

Time will tell.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2014, 11:19:57 AM
So just like kate mccann davel ? %£&)**# %£&)**# %£&)**#

you are missing the subtle point...if they refused to answer questions according to some on this forum that would indicate guilt...as they AND Kate can't both be guilty then it follows that a refusal to answer questions does not indicate guilt...perfect logic at it's best
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on August 23, 2014, 11:29:37 AM
you are missing the subtle point...if they refused to answer questions according to some on this forum that would indicate guilt...as they AND Kate can't both be guilty then it follows that a refusal to answer questions does not indicate guilt...perfect logic at it's best


You are no Mr. Spock davel.

It is also quite possible that kate mccann refused to answer to cover the truth and not just because her legal adviser told her to do so. Also, there would have been the danger of contradicting her husband's account of events. Remember her answer to the last question. ?{)(**

So implicitly, as we know the mccanns did not fully cooperate with the investigation.

As to the new arguidos, they were investigated by the Portuguese before , and they found nothing.

and quite frankly there would now be a fear of being 'fitted up' for a crime whose nature has not be ascertained.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 23, 2014, 11:36:01 AM

You are no Mr. Spock davel.

It is also quite possible that kate mccann refused to answer to cover the truth and not just because her legal adviser told her to do so. Also, there would have been the danger of contradicting her husband's account of events. Remember her answer to the last question. ?{)(**

So implicitly, as we know the mccanns did not fully cooperate with the investigation.

As to the new arguidos, they were investigated by the Portuguese before , and they found nothing.

and quite frankly there would now be a fear of being 'fitted up' for a crime whose nature has not be ascertained.

no not answering questions is NOT a sign of guilt
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on August 23, 2014, 12:07:09 PM
no not answering questions is NOT a sign of guilt

It very well could be, but it is certainly not evidence of guilt.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on August 23, 2014, 12:16:54 PM
The change in the law which came into force days after the Drs McCann were made arguidos means that evidence had to be presented against the "new arguidos" before they could be constituted as such.

I presume if they refuse to answer questions that evidence will be strong enough to allow proceedings to continue; as we have seen in Mr Malinka's case, he appears to have been successful in contesting the evidence presented against him; the other three remain arguidos.

Time will tell.

A good point Brietta.   This was not the position when the McCanns were made arguidos.   It would appear that the change in law means that evidence of a far more substantial nature is now a pre-requisiite to making someone an Arguido than was required re the McCanns.  (A 'dream' probably wouldn't qualify nowadays)   

On the other hand (from memory)  -  I understand 'witnesses' can  ASK to be made arguidos - I presume to give themselves protection that doesn't exist as 'witnesses'. 

Just as a matter of interest - if that is the case - do we actually know whether the current arguidos were declared arguidos by the PJ , or requested that status themselves?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 23, 2014, 12:41:08 PM
A good point Brietta.   This was not the position when the McCanns were made arguidos.   It would appear that the change in law means that evidence of a far more substantial nature is now a pre-requisiite to making someone an Arguido than was required re the McCanns.  (A 'dream' probably wouldn't qualify nowadays)   

On the other hand (from memory)  -  I understand 'witnesses' can  ASK to be made arguidos - I presume to give themselves protection that doesn't exist as 'witnesses'. 

Just as a matter of interest - if that is the case - do we actually know whether the current arguidos were declared arguidos by the PJ , or requested that status themselves?



According to a TVI report (30.06.14), 'At the request of the British authorities four people will be constituted as arguidos', and according to SIC on the same date, 'All these steps have exclusively to do with the English investigation, which has not found any echo on the investigative line of enquiry being followed by the Judiciary Police'


The evidence against 'em is probably phone calls, living, working & pilfering in the local area, most damning evidence indeed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 12:58:56 PM

Since Substantial Evidence is required to afford one the status of Arguido, and that only The Portuguese Judicial System can bestow this, either someone is telling porkies, or these people requested it themselves.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 23, 2014, 01:08:56 PM
Since Substantial Evidence is required to afford one the status of Arguido, and that only The Portuguese Judicial System can bestow this, either someone is telling porkies, or these people requested it themselves.

Can't help but think that if there were substantial evidence against 'em, the PJ would be investigating that themselves, not SY via rogatory letters whilst the PJ investigate dead tractor driving heroin addicts who prefer kidnap to employment tribunals.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on August 23, 2014, 01:29:46 PM


Law office representing Sergei Malinka during the July 2014 questioning stated something along this line: Due to complicated nature of interview his interview will continue tomorrow 2nd day which was not case with the other arguidos.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on August 23, 2014, 01:48:48 PM
A good point Brietta.   This was not the position when the McCanns were made arguidos.   It would appear that the change in law means that evidence of a far more substantial nature is now a pre-requisiite to making someone an Arguido than was required re the McCanns.  (A 'dream' probably wouldn't qualify nowadays)   

On the other hand (from memory)  -  I understand 'witnesses' can  ASK to be made arguidos - I presume to give themselves protection that doesn't exist as 'witnesses'. 

Just as a matter of interest - if that is the case - do we actually know whether the current arguidos were declared arguidos by the PJ , or requested that status themselves?

Spoil-sports, these legislators ...

Taking up the theme of your post more seriously, much was made at the time (that Kate and Gerry were made arguidos) that the arguido status was applied that arguido status is for the protection of the accused, and part of that protection is that arguido interviews are not recorded.

We know that they are recorded because we've read the record, but still, there is something in the claim.

Yes, records are kept of arguido interviews, but (judging by the record we read) scarcely complete or full records.

More significantly, nothing said to police in police interviews may be used in court against an arguido if the arguido is charged and taken to court, unless, whatever has been said to the police is repeated in court.

One of the bones of contention in the Cipriano trial was that Joao and and his sister both exercised their right of silence in court, yet "confessions" made to police formed a part of court proceedings.

That is where the protection (when things work as they should) comes in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 01:52:11 PM
Can't help but think that if there were substantial evidence against 'em, the PJ would be investigating that themselves, not SY via rogatory letters whilst the PJ investigate dead tractor driving heroin addicts who prefer kidnap to employment tribunals.

You might think that The PJ would investigate it themselves, but they don't appear to be doing this.
This is what leads me to suspect that The Four Aruidos requested this status for themselves.  Possibly to do with Burglary.

Very sensible, if you ask me.  And they can still answer questions if they want to.  However, a "No Comment" to just one or two questions might raise red flags.  Better not to answer any of them, I think.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 23, 2014, 01:54:02 PM
Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on August 23, 2014, 02:00:17 PM
You might think that The PJ would investigate it themselves, but they don't appear to be doing this.
This is what leads me to suspect that The Four Aruidos requested this status for themselves.  Possibly to do with Burglary.

Very sensible, if you ask me.  And they can still answer questions if they want to.  However, a "No Comment" to just one or two questions might raise red flags.  Better not to answer any of them, I think.

What do you think?

It certainly was right that witnesses could request to be made arguidos.

I don't know if it still is.

Slightly disturbing, in one sense, that there is that provision. 

Informal witnesses are obliged to answer all questions put to them (they cannot invoke the right of silence).

But the quid pro quo is that neither can they be asked leading or incriminating questions.

Only after the arguido status has been imposed may a more aggressive line of questioning be pursued. 

If a witness feels compelled to request arguido status, that can only be because the line of questioning has become more aggressive or inquisitorial ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on August 23, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

Policemen with solid evidence to back up their suspicions don't lie, fabricate and misrepresent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 02:04:24 PM
Those with nothing to hide, hide nothing.

They might hide a Burglary or two.  But still not be involved in an abduction.  There could well have been more than one crime going on that night.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on August 23, 2014, 02:16:16 PM
It certainly was right that witnesses could request to be made arguidos.

I don't know if it still is.

Slightly disturbing, in one sense, that there is that provision. 

Informal witnesses are obliged to answer all questions put to them (they cannot invoke the right of silence).

But the quid pro quo is that neither can they be asked leading or incriminating questions.

Only after the arguido status has been imposed may a more aggressive line of questioning be pursued. 

If a witness feels compelled to request arguido status, that can only be because the line of questioning has become more aggressive or inquisitorial ...

"Informal Witnesses are obliged to answer all questions."  Oh really.  Who thought up that one?  No one can be forced to answer questions. 
This might raise some problems with Police Station Stairs, of course, but I can't see that happening on this occasion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on August 23, 2014, 02:19:46 PM
"Informal Witnesses are obliged to answer all questions."  Oh really.  Who thought up that one?  No one can be forced to answer questions. 
This might raise some problems with Police Station Stairs, of course, but I can't see that happening on this occasion.

That is (or was!) the position under Portuguese law, with the proviso that they can't be asked leading or incriminating questions.

Informal witnesses are also not entitled to legal representation (although, if questioning goes as it should, they ought not to need it).

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6657977.stm

(sic)

Mr Rego said: "Sometimes when they [the police] suspect someone, they call that person in as a witness.

"They don't constitute him as arguido and they extract as much information from him as they can, because as a witness he cannot refuse to collaborate with the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 24, 2014, 02:03:53 AM
Now that the August siesta is virtually over and the families with children are returning home it is time for the shenanigans to recommence in Luz.

We are now left with three persons of interest who have rightly been afforded arguido status which provides them with all possible rights under the law, the last thing we would want is anyone getting stitched up now would we?  Hope one of them isn't called Barry or George though!   ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 24, 2014, 02:44:41 AM
(http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/images/logo_cm.gif)
23 August 2014

Scotland Yard returns to Portugal to investigate the Maddie case

British authorities continue investigation into Maddie's disappearance in Portugal next month.

Scotland Yard, the British police, are to return to Portugal in September to continue to investigate the case of the disappearance of Maddie. After several weeks of negotiations between the Portuguese and British authorities, the return of the Scotland Yard to Praia da Luz in the Algarve has been agreed.

According to British newspaper 'The Mirror', to the British authorities this is the most crucial time of the event. At least seven members of the British police will arrive next month, with permission to interrogate the seven suspects indicted earlier this year. Three of the suspects have been questioned previously.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on August 25, 2014, 07:16:50 PM
Two months on, Scotland Yard to return to Praia da Luz next week.

CMTV report in Portuguese.

www.cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=9B73F7F6-CABE-4AE1-A004-A2E2B29892E4
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on August 25, 2014, 09:06:10 PM
Now that the August siesta is virtually over and the families with children are returning home it is time for the shenanigans to recommence in Luz.

We are now left with three persons of interest who have rightly been afforded arguido status which provides them with all possible rights under the law, the last thing we would want is anyone getting stitched up now would we?  Hope one of them isn't called Barry or George though!   ?{)(**

O Forum Owner sire; being "stitched up" is de rigeur in Portugal where the judiciary is notoriously bent dishonest. I know this to be true I have read many posts to that effect on this very forum and all posters without exception say they tell the truth. Verily I have pondered long and hard on this paradox being unable to reconcile the apparent lawlessness in Portugal and our FCO's reluctance to advise us not to go there or even issue a warning that we take our destiny in our hands when we visit.Perhaps it is little different from anywhere beyond the soggy bit at Dover do you think?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on August 26, 2014, 02:54:45 AM
Two months on, Scotland Yard to return to Praia da Luz next week.

CMTV report in Portuguese.

www.cmtv.sapo.pt/detalhe.aspx?channelID=34F5E1B7-BABF-4C08-83FC-20AF9E097CDA&contentID=9B73F7F6-CABE-4AE1-A004-A2E2B29892E4
At 46 seconds in that video we see UK police putting up two posters on a wall presumably in PDL, one in english and the other in portuguese,  with the two photofits on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 26, 2014, 03:31:36 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/GtAuA67.png?1)

Looks like they are still seeking SMITHMAN.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 26, 2014, 08:07:19 AM
At 46 seconds in that video we see UK police putting up two posters on a wall presumably in PDL, one in english and the other in portuguese,  with the two photofits on.

They look more like journalists than UK cops. Aren't those the Sun posters?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 26, 2014, 08:34:06 AM
At 46 seconds in that video we see UK police putting up two posters on a wall presumably in PDL, one in english and the other in portuguese,  with the two photofits on.

Archive footage; I don't thing the Met team will be starting interviews until September.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 26, 2014, 09:21:21 AM
It certainly was right that witnesses could request to be made arguidos.

I don't know if it still is.

Slightly disturbing, in one sense, that there is that provision. 

Informal witnesses are obliged to answer all questions put to them (they cannot invoke the right of silence).

But the quid pro quo is that neither can they be asked leading or incriminating questions.

Only after the arguido status has been imposed may a more aggressive line of questioning be pursued. 

If a witness feels compelled to request arguido status, that can only be because the line of questioning has become more aggressive or inquisitorial ...

There were some changes in the August 2007 code regarding witnesses.

I'm not sure what you mean by "informal witness", FM.

My understanding is that there can be informal and formal interviews. For me, "informal" questioning could be e.g., an officer just asking around if someone has any useful information and, if so, would be brought in for formal questioning (i.e., to make an official statement).

Formal questioning can be as a witness or as an arguido.

As interviews aren't recorded, the dodgy aspect is the potential for blurring the distinction between an "informal chat" and the formal questioning.


Summarising the bold parts concerning the rights and duties of a witness:

d) Responder com verdade às perguntas que lhe forem dirigidas.
To respond to questions addressed to [him/her] truthfully (as you've said).

2 - A testemunha não é obrigada a responder a perguntas quando alegar que das respostas resulta a sua responsabilização penal.
The witness is not obliged to answer questions when it is claimed that the replies could result in his / her criminal responsibility.

4 - Sempre que deva prestar depoimento, ainda que no decurso de acto vedado ao público, a testemunha pode fazer-se acompanhar de advogado, que a informa, quando entender necessário, dos direitos que lhe assistem, sem intervir na inquirição.
While [the witness] must make a statement /testify, even when [... something], the witness may be accompanied by a lawyer who informs [the witness], when deemed necessary, of rights that assist him/her, without intervening in the questioning.

  - Lei n.º 48/2007, de 29 de Agosto

Artigo 132.º
Direitos e deveres da testemunha
1 - Salvo quando a lei dispuser de forma diferente, incumbem à testemunha os deveres de:
a) Se apresentar, no tempo e no lugar devidos, à autoridade por quem tiver sido legitimamente convocada ou notificada, mantendo-se à sua disposição até ser por ela desobrigada;
b) Prestar juramento, quando ouvida por autoridade judiciária;
c) Obedecer às indicações que legitimamente lhe forem dadas quanto à forma de prestar depoimento;
d) Responder com verdade às perguntas que lhe forem dirigidas.
2 - A testemunha não é obrigada a responder a perguntas quando alegar que das respostas resulta a sua responsabilização penal.

3 - Para o efeito de ser notificada, a testemunha pode indicar a sua residência, o local de trabalho ou outro domicílio à sua escolha.
4 - Sempre que deva prestar depoimento, ainda que no decurso de acto vedado ao público, a testemunha pode fazer-se acompanhar de advogado, que a informa, quando entender necessário, dos direitos que lhe assistem, sem intervir na inquirição.
5 - Não pode acompanhar testemunha, nos termos do número anterior, o advogado que seja defensor de arguido no processo.
http://www.pgdlisboa.pt/leis/lei_mostra_articulado.php?nid=929&tabela=leis&ficha=1&pagina=1&so_miolo=

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 26, 2014, 09:24:05 AM
Archive footage; I don't thing the Met team will be starting interviews until September.

The footage doesn't seem that old: isn't that the Sun banner at the top and the two versions of the "Smithman" e-fit? A bit blurry, so hard to tell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 26, 2014, 11:09:54 AM
The footage doesn't seem that old: isn't that the Sun banner at the top and the two versions of the "Smithman" e-fit? A bit blurry, so hard to tell.

I think it is probably just after the CW appeal or to co-incide with the digs taking place a couple of months ago.  I don't think it is in relation to the next part of the process due to start shortly.
I also don't think Smithman has as yet been eliminated from the inquiry either as a suspect or an innocent person or there would have been a statement to that effect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on August 26, 2014, 11:34:15 AM
I think it is probably just after the CW appeal or to co-incide with the digs taking place a couple of months ago.  I don't think it is in relation to the next part of the process due to start shortly.
I also don't think Smithman has as yet been eliminated from the inquiry either as a suspect or an innocent person or there would have been a statement to that effect.

I agree.

It seems to me as if it could well have been taken during the recent land searches (I wasn't sure what you meant by archive material), posted by Sun reporters.

I'm not sure if there would be a public statement from the Met if Smithman had been identified as someone irrelevant unless there is a new focus for a public appeal.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 26, 2014, 03:50:05 PM
I agree.

It seems to me as if it could well have been taken during the recent land searches (I wasn't sure what you meant by archive material), posted by Sun reporters.

I'm not sure if there would be a public statement from the Met if Smithman had been identified as someone irrelevant unless there is a new focus for a public appeal.

I'm of the opinion they know exactly what and maybe even who they want to look at and I think a lot is hinging on the people they wish to interview as witnesses at the moment.
Initially I thought these were just to 'tidy up' and explain anomalies in the initial files; but my thinking is turning more and more to their actual pursuit of leads and not just looking for a lead to follow by re-interviewing those who made statements at the time.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on August 26, 2014, 04:18:35 PM
I'm of the opinion they know exactly what and maybe even who they want to look at and I think a lot is hinging on the people they wish to interview as witnesses at the moment.
Initially I thought these were just to 'tidy up' and explain anomalies in the initial files; but my thinking is turning more and more to their actual pursuit of leads and not just looking for a lead to follow by re-interviewing those who made statements at the time.

Me too.

I think the same, but I do think that additionally, they want to clean out any "disinformation" leads.


To have a clear run at it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on August 27, 2014, 12:50:48 AM
Maddie: British police returns to the Algarve in September
 
google translate from The Sol
http://www.sol.pt/noticia/113886

Quote
SOL SOL | 25/08/2014 11:06:11 899 visits     
Maddie: Polícia britânica regressa ao Algarve em Setembro
Seven officers from Scotland Yard should return to the Algarve as early as next month, under the case of Madeleine McCann, advances the British newspaper 'The Mirror'.


This team should decide which way forward regarding the investigation. The same paper advances that the authorities should interrogate seven persons, three for the second time.

Madeleine McCann disappeared from Praia da Luz in the Algarve in May 2007 British police have done everything to find the girl, having been in Portugal in July to conduct searches in that area.

I wonder who are the 4 people that weren't questioned before?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on August 27, 2014, 02:08:40 AM
Maddie: British police returns to the Algarve in September
 
google translate from The Sol
http://www.sol.pt/noticia/113886

I wonder who are the 4 people that weren't questioned before?
Impossible to guess but here goes anyway.
If that suspicious conversation story reported in PT press is true, maybe SY have identified its location?
Or maybe the posters that SY put up in PDL in July, showing the two photofits, and worded in both english and portuguese, with a number to call, produced some calls?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2014, 07:08:11 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/504070/British-Maddy-police-new-Portuguese-plea

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on August 28, 2014, 07:11:02 AM
'They believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer in Portugal.'

I too believe that Maddie was taken out of the apartment by a foreigner who left the country.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on August 28, 2014, 07:48:45 AM
Excellent to see SY moving forward...they have to have evidence to make these ILORs
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 28, 2014, 01:58:46 PM
The abductees who have managed to escape or who have been found suggest there is a bigger underlying problem. As well as those high profile cases such as Natasha’s et al there are children who were never on the radar to begin with and there must be children who don't even know they were stolen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on August 29, 2014, 01:17:35 PM
Madeleine McCann police make new request to Portuguese authorities for help in hunt for missing girl

Police probing Madeleine McCann's disappearance have formally petitioned for more help, Portuguese authorities have revealed. Another international letter of request has been received from Scotland Yard, Portugal's Attorney General's Office confirmed. The news comes as officers prepare for a new trip to the Algarve next month following ground searches for missing Madeleine and interrogations of four suspects earlier this summer. Officials have declined to comment on the content of the new letter of request.

(http://i.imgur.com/hECTF2z.jpg?1)

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are set to return to Portugal
next month after petitioning authorities for more help.

It was not clear last night if public prosecutors on the Algarve coordinating the separate Portuguese inquiry into Madeleine's May 2007 disappearance have yet approved the request. Previous requests - which sparked digs at three sites in and around the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished as well as the police quizzes - were submitted in July last year and January, February and May this year. A spokesman for the Lisbon-based Attorney General's Office confirmed last night: 'During the last few weeks Public Prosecution Services received from the British authorities a new Letter of Request in the context of the investigations related to the disappearance of young Madeleine McCann.

'The content of the request presented by the British authorities is classified, therefore the Prosecutor General's Office have no comments on such matter.'

Reports at the weekend suggested British police working on Operation Grange - the new probe into Madeleine's disappearance - want to conduct interviews with more key suspects.

Read more... (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2736541/Madeleine-McCann-police-make-new-request-Portuguese-authorities-help-hunt-missing-girl.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on August 29, 2014, 04:09:30 PM
See we still have 'sources close to the investigation' putting their oar in; the final paragraph seems to confirm the accord between both sets of investigators.

Met police set for Portugal return in search for Madeleine
by Brendan de Beer, in News • 28-08-2014 14:30:00 • 0 Comments

Scotland Yard officers could return to Portugal as early as next month as part of the ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Madeline McCann.

Reports this week claim the development comes after weeks of negotiations between the British and Portuguese forces and has been described as a ‘make-or-break’ moment.
It is understood the officers have been granted permission to interview up to seven key suspects identified earlier this year – three of whom will be questioned for a second time.
In comments to The Portugal News on Thursday, the Attorney-General’s office in Lisbon said: “The Public Prosecutor’s Office in the past few weeks received a new international letter of request from British authorities with regards to investigations relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.”
This is the fifth such letter to be received by Portuguese authorities since last October.
Last month, British detectives admitted upon their return to the UK that “no evidence relating to Madeleine McCann had been identified.”
With questioning in the Faro’s Polícia Judiciária police headquarters of four suspects ending, sources close to the case told The Portugal News: “Unfortunately we are nowhere nearer to solving the case than we were seven years ago” though it appears the investigation is far from over.
This comes after the largest ever overseas deployment undertaken by British police last month in Praia da Luz in June, though British police did indicate that new lines of inquiry could be pursued in the coming months.
Metropolitan Police said in June that in addition to the activities which have now taken place “further requests are being compiled and will be submitted in due course.”
British police further explained that there was still “a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming months.”
Questioned over whether relations between the two police forces have become strained over the past few months, sources here said: “Portuguese police have provided total support of British detectives as is requested by law and will continue to do so in the future.”
http://www.theportugalnews.com/news/met-police-set-for-portugal-return-in-search-for-madeleine/32555
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on September 06, 2014, 12:12:07 AM
Very balanced article for a change.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 06, 2014, 01:46:34 AM
Very balanced article for a change.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html
yep, generally I agree, it is well balanced.



However, one thing I noticed that was seriously wrong'

[Article snipped]
Later, the cadaver dog gave an alert inside a Renault car, hired by the McCanns 24 days after Madeleine went missing.
[snipped]

The dog in the car was the blood dog, Keela.   As far as we are aware, Eddie, the cadavar (and blood) dog did not enter the car.  The alert that we all saw on the video, within the car, was by Keela.

Therefore the alert within the car was NOT for cadavar but for blood.

No body carried in that car !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 06, 2014, 10:18:34 AM
Madeleine McCann: are we any closer to knowing the truth?

Ever since she disappeared in May 2007, the image of Madeleine McCann has remained burned on our national consciousness. How close are police to finding out the truth?

By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter

8:09PM BST 05 Sep 2014

In the seven years since Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment in Portugal, myriad theories about what happened to her have taken root, but only one fact remains uncontested: that she was reported missing at 10.14pm on the evening of Thursday, May 3, 2007.
 
It was at that point, when police were called, that the clock started ticking on the biggest missing persons investigation for decades, a search which remains very much active to this day.
 
Facts, the hard currency of any police investigation, have proved almost uniquely elusive; every sighting, every timing and every witness statement has been disputed in the years that have elapsed since.
 
Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann quickly came under suspicion by Portuguese police, a development that the couple are certain meant vital clues were missed in the first hours and days after Madeleine’s disappearance.
 
Every possible theory has been explored since then: that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile; that she was killed during a bungled burglary and her body dumped; that she was abducted by traffickers and sold to a childless couple; that she wandered out of the apartment and died in a tragic accident, and many more besides.

To date, however, not one shred of proof of what happened to Madeleine has been unearthed. The question of what happened to Madeleine would become not only a personal tragedy for the McCann family, but a national obsession in the UK and in Portugal.
 
Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, was on the penultimate day of her family holiday on the day she vanished. She had spent part of the day playing by the swimming pool in the Ocean Club resort, where the last known picture of her was taken at 2.29pm.

Reports of when she was last seen alive by independent witnesses vary, but she was still alive at around 6pm, when she and her parents went into their apartment at 5A Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva, where Madeleine and her two-year-old twin brother and sister were readied for bed.
 
The McCanns told police they put the children to bed at around 7pm, and that all three were asleep by 8.30pm, when they went for dinner at a tapas bar 50 yards across the pool from their apartment. There they met seven friends with whom they were on holiday.

The McCanns say checks were made on their children every half-hour, sometimes by other members of the party, comprising Dr Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, from Exeter, Dr Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, from London, and David and Fiona Payne, from Leicester, together with Mrs Payne's mother Dianne Webster. Mrs Webster, however, reportedly told police that each couple was responsible for checking their own children.
 
Gerry McCann went to the apartment at 9.05pm, when all the children were sleeping soundly and Madeleine was still in her bed, he says.
 
The police in Portugal, however, have never accepted the McCanns’ evidence as undisputed. They initially regarded the McCanns as suspects, and believed the McCanns could have killed Madeleine any time after the last independent sighting of her at 6pm.
 
Dr Matthew Oldfield went into apartment 5A at 9.30pm, and noticed that Madeleine’s room seemed lighter than the others, as if the shutters had been partially opened. He could not be certain whether Madeleine was there.
 
Kate McCann was next to check on the children, at 10pm. She ran back to the restaurant moments later, saying Madeleine was missing. The McCanns and their friends made a quick search of the resort, but after finding no sign of Madeleine the police were called at 10.14pm.
 
The McCanns told police they had put Madeleine to bed with her pink comfort blanket and favourite soft toy, Cuddle Cat, and was wearing short-sleeved Marks & Spencer Eeyore pyjamas.

Crucially, however, the apartment was not initially treated as a crime scene, meaning around 20 people went in and out before it was sealed off, contaminating potential evidence. Roadblocks were not put in place until 10am the next day, border guards were not informed for hours and Interpol did not put out a global missing persons alert for five days.
 
It meant that the most crucial time of any missing persons investigation – the first 24 hours – were largely squandered, and police have been trying to catch up ever since. Yet potentially key sightings and artists’ impressions of suspects were kept from the public for years.
 
Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.
 
Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.

There were also blind alleys. Jane Tanner, one of the tapas diners, told police that when she left the restaurant at 9.15pm to check on her own daughter, she saw a man carrying a small child, wearing pink pyjamas, in his arms.
 
For years afterwards, the mystery man would be a key suspect, if not the prime suspect, but in October 2013 the Metropolitan Police announced that a British holidaymaker who had been taking his daughter back to his apartment after picking her up from an evening crèche, had been identified as the man Miss Tanner had seen and ruled out of the inquiry.

The first person to become an “arguido”, or official suspect, was Robert Murat, a local property consultant, whose home was searched 12 days after the disappearance. He was formally cleared of suspicion in 2008 and won £600,000 in libel damages from 11 British newspapers.
 
The Portuguese Police, however, were suspicious of the McCanns from the beginning, partly due to a clash of cultures. They could not believe that parents would leave their children unattended, and did not approve of the McCanns’ use of the media to raise the profile of the case, in a country where secrecy is the hallmark of all police investigations.
 
The arrival of two British sniffer dogs in Portugal in July 2007 only hardened that belief. One dog was trained to sniff out traces of human blood, the other was trained to sniff out the scent of dead bodies. Both dogs were taken to several locations connected to the investigation, and gave alerts only in apartment 5A. Later, the cadaver dog gave an alert inside a Renault car, hired by the McCanns 24 days after Madeleine went missing.
 
DNA tests on samples taken from the car proved inconclusive, but the Portuguese police wrongly told journalists they were a “100 per cent match” for Madeleine.
 
The Portuguese police came up with the theory that Madeleine had been killed by her parents by accident, possibly by being given an overdose of a sedative to make her sleep, that they had hidden the body, faked her abduction and then used the hire car weeks later to move her body to a burial location.
 
In early September 2007, according to Kate McCann, she was told by the Portuguese police that if she admitted that Madeleine had died in the apartment and she had hidden her body she might only serve a two-year sentence and Gerry McCann would not be charged at all. On September 7 the couple were both made arguidos.
 
Goncalo Amaral, the chief inspector who had been in charge of the case, resigned in 2008 to write a book alleging that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment and the McCanns had faked the abduction. The McCanns sued him for libel, with the court expected to make its decision late in 2014.
 
In July 2008 the Portuguese attorney general announced that the McCanns were no longer suspects and the investigation was closed. The McCanns hired private investigators to carry on the search, but it was not until May 2011 that Theresa May, the Home Secretary, announced that Scotland Yard would review the evidence in the case, which had until then been the responsibility of Leicestershire Police, working with the Portuguese authorities.
 
In July 2013 Operation Grange, the review of the available evidence, became a full-blown criminal inquiry, and Scotland Yard said it was concentrating on a “criminal act by a stranger”.
 
The Yard announced it was looking into possible links between Madeleine’s disappearance and bogus charity collectors who were knocking on doors in Praia da Luz at the time. Between 3.30pm and 5.30pm on the day in question there were four separate sightings of men who said they were collecting money for an orphanage. British detectives believe men whose photofits they released in 2013 may have been engaged in reconnaissance for a pre-planned abduction or for burglaries, in keeping with the theory that Madeleine may have been killed by a burglar she disturbed.

Scotland Yard also said in 2013 it was eager to trace a blond-haired man who had been seen loitering in the area on April 30 and May 2, looking at apartment 1A. He was described as “ugly” with a spotty complexion and a large nose. Two blond-haired men were seen on the balcony of the empty apartment 5C, two doors from 5A, at 2.30pm on the day of the disappearance. Blond men were seen again near 5A at 4pm and 6pm that day, and at 11pm that night. Following the appeal on Crimewatch, the Portuguese police re-opened their own investigation.
 
Scotland Yard officers travelled to Portugal in 2014 to interview four suspects and carried out searches of the area around the apartment using ground-penetrating radar. One of the men who was interview has since been eliminated from the inquiry, but the other three men remain arguidos.
 
The British officers questioned them on suspicion of being part of a burglary gang that panicked after killing Madeleine during a bungled break-in. They all protested their innocence and were released without charge.
 
Another suspect was Euclides Monteiro, a convicted burglar with a drug habit, who had been sacked from the Ocean Club in 2006. Mobile phone tracking showed he had been in the area on the night of the disappearance, and police believe he may have been burgling apartments there to fund his drug addiction. He died in a tractor accident in 2009.
 
In March 2014 Scotland Yard announced that a lone intruder sexually assaulted five girls aged between seven and 10 in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006. The man, who has never been caught, was said to have a “very, very unhealthy interest” in young white girls.
 
The four incidents, one of which involved two girls, were among 12 in which men had entered holiday accommodation in the area, including two incidents in Praia da Luz. The force also said it was looking at 38 “people of interest” and were researching the backgrounds of 530 known sex offenders, including 59 regarded as high interest.
 
Kate and Gerry McCann remain convinced their daughter is alive and that they will one day be reunited. The hunt to find her continues.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 07, 2014, 08:56:12 AM
Madeleine McCann hunt slowed by Portuguese court chaos

SCOTLAND Yard’s probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is being held up because of chaos in the Portuguese legal ­system, the Sunday Express has learned.

By: James Murray
Published: Sun, September 7, 2014

Frustrated detectives want to quickly press ahead with their investigations and have sent a fifth letter of request detailing their requirements to legal chiefs in Portugal.

The process is being bogged down because of major changes in the way justice is delivered.

In an attempt to improve the ­service, 20 courts have closed creating a huge backlog of cases and a nightmare for administrators.

Trials are being held up as vast amounts of documents are moved all over the country in a bid to streamline the service. So government lawyers are giving priority to running trials and urgent cases.

A legal official in Portugal said: “The system is a mess, which is causing a huge political row between the right-of-centre government and the socialist opposition.

“This all means that Maddie is taking a low priority because all the effort is going on keeping the courts running. There is also a new prosecutor in Portimao on the Algarve who is having to be fully briefed on scores of cases, including Madeleine’s, and that all takes time.

“There are delays but people are working extra hours to try to get everything moving again.”

It is understood that the Yard detectives have requested to do further work on the background of three arguidos, or suspects, and several other people they believe could have important information.

Yard officers can sit in on interviews but they have to be conducted by Portuguese ­detectives.

They are now anxiously awaiting the formal legal response to their request before they can plan their next moves.

The hold-up is the latest problem to affect the work to find the youngster who, then aged three, vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.

Last week details emerged about a Home Office report which showed British police forces helping with the search for Madeleine hampered the Portuguese investigation.

So many UK agencies were keen to be seen to be helping, it created a “sense of chaos and competition”.

That damaged relations with Portuguese police and had a long-term ­negative effect, according to the unpublished findings of Jim Gamble, former head of the Child Exploitation and Online Protection Centre.

Commissioned by former home secretary Alan Johnson in 2009, the report was ­delivered the following year and led to the Met Police reopening the ­investigation into the disappearance.

The Home Office, which would not release the report under Freedom of Information laws, declined to ­comment.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507849/Madeleine-McCann-hunt-slowed-by-court-chaos

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on September 07, 2014, 06:26:06 PM
I'll let the legendary SY go first. After all it's their case and I can't track Smithman's mobile unfortunately in order to find Maddy.
Scotland Yard aren't in the business of writing books.  But you raise a good point and that is that you don't have all the information at your disposal, perhaps this is why your conclusions do not match those of the Met, who DO have access to those involved and ALL the information gathered by police and PIs. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 07, 2014, 09:41:56 PM
Scotland Yard aren't in the business of writing books.  But you raise a good point and that is that you don't have all the information at your disposal, perhaps this is why your conclusions do not match those of the Met, who DO have access to those involved and ALL the information gathered by police and PIs.

Either am I - my theory is documented on this forum from my posts. The Met's job is to investigate all possible leads to end up at one.  But they need to find Maddy or at least find clues/evidence to where she was hidden by Smithman on 3 May.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on September 08, 2014, 11:45:23 AM
More "revelations" in the British media

Today (Sunday) saw Sky News once again heavily feature new ‘revelations’ from the soon-to-be-released book Looking for Madeleine, written by Pulitzer prize finalist Anthony Summers and his fourth wife, investigative journalist Robbyn Swan.

But as the ‘revelations’ revealed themselves to be facts in the public domain since at least 2009, former PJ police inspector Carlos Anjos has penned a damning article claiming the objective of the current Scotland Yard investigation into Madeleine’s seven-year disappearance has “never been to find out what happened to Maddie”.

Instead, he maintains, it has “always been to remove suspicions of the McCanns”.

Concentrating solely on facts, the only clear truth coming out of today’s stories is that the ‘revelations’ in Looking for Madeleine are “nothing new” - and that Sky news appears to be doing one heck of a PR job.

As a commentator who has followed the mystery closely since day one confided: “I doubt if Summers and Swan would call them revelations, but we´ll soon see”.

Looking for Madeleine is due to go on sale on Tuesday September 11, and certainly hundreds if not thousands of readers are eagerly waiting to read it.

A former British policeman told us today: “Will it address Gerry McCann’s change of story about his point of entry? Will it address Kate’s change of story about the curtains? Will it address their telling all the relatives that the shutters were smashed open? Will it give a coherent scenario which includes all the known facts? Will it address the dogs’ alerts over items associated with the McCanns and to no others?”

According to Amazon, “award-winning authors Anthony Summers and Robbyn Swan have produced the first independent, objective account of the case” and have demonstrated that “speculation that the McCann’s played a role in their daughter’s fate” is unfounded.

Cataloguing the “string of sexual assaults and burglaries” that had been reported in the Algarve before Madeleine went missing, Anthony Summers is quoted by Sky News as suggesting Kate and Gerry McCann should have been warned by their tour operators Mark Warner Ltd when they checked in for their family holiday at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz at the end of April, 2007.

"Had there been a warning note in the apartment, do we think the McCanns would have left the patio door unlocked on the night they went to the other side of the pool to have dinner away from their children?

"One would be tempted to think they would make sure everything was firmly locked up."

As the Sky news report repeats itself throughout the day, elsewhere in the Portuguese media Carlos Anjos, currently president of the Commission for the Protection of Victims of Crimes, writes at length on his theory that multi-million pound police investigation Operation Grange has always set out to clear the McCann parents of any suspicions in their daughter’s disappearance.

“One of the doubts that persist is understanding why the British police have insisted in repeating PJ police investigations, and have never tried to effect the only one the PJ did not do: the reconstruction”, he explains - stressing that the much-publicised BBC Crimewatch programme that purported to reconstruct the events leading up to Madeleine’s disappearance was a “travesty” of the facts.

Addressing the alerts to blood traces and cadaver odours in the family’s apartment thrown up by sniffer dogs Eddie and Keela in 2007, Anjos writes: “I believe that these two dogs, seven years on, are either dead, under lock and key, or have certainly been retired from police duty as a result of their work in Portugal”.

It is a sweeping statement, with apparently no proof to back it up.

Swan, in interview with Sky News, points out that cadaver dog alerts always require the back up of solid forensic evidence - which, in this case, has not been forthcoming.

In other words, today’s ‘revelations’ and media stories, both here and abroad, have just added to all the others swirling in the vortex of questions about what really happened to Madeleine McCann.

With no ‘light at the end of the tunnel’ likely as a result of Summers and Swan’s new book, there is nonetheless an apparent “positive note” in conclusion.

According to the Sky News report: “Quoting American statistics, it (the book) says that only 4% of missing children of Madeleine’s age are not located, and more than half of them - 56% - are recovered alive”.

Meanwhile, Carlos Anjos concludes his article in today’s Domingo supplement of Correio da Manhã with the only firm conviction of which he says he has “no doubt”:
“The English (police) will stop (their investigation) on the day in which the Portuguese authorities say: enough. And, on this day, the British police will say they did not discover what happened (to Madeleine) because the Portuguese authorities did not let them”.

http://portugalresident.com/more-revelations-in-the-british-media
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on September 08, 2014, 12:00:08 PM
A former British policeman told us today: “Will it address Gerry McCann’s change of story about his point of entry? Will it address Kate’s change of story about the curtains? Will it address their telling all the relatives that the shutters were smashed open? Will it give a coherent scenario which includes all the known facts? Will it address the dogs’ alerts over items associated with the McCanns and to no others?”


There is only one theory that does.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on September 08, 2014, 04:56:16 PM
Just out...

English Judicial Delay Revolt

British investigators hope for authorization from Public Ministry to return to the Algarve this month.
By Rui Gomes Pando
Correio da Manhã
8 September 2014

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-09/img_757x426$2014_09_07_23_03_12_402333.jpg)

The Attorney General's Office has received the fifth letter of request from the British police as part of investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, but the authorization to carry out the steps requested is blocked due to the entry into force of the new judicial map.

Investigators from Scotland Yard , who still hoped to return this month to the Algarve , are frustrated and angry over an obstacle in the investigation.

According to the CM, it found that due to judicial reorganization that took effect in early September, the Maddie case was designated a low priority in the Public Ministry of Portimão. Processes considered urgent are those with defendants in custody, they will have priority. The CM reveals that only after 15 September will the new recently named Public Prosecutor of Portimão be in a position to examine the more recent applications by the British authorities.

Among the requests made as the CM already reported, are new interrogations of suspects already heard by the PJ after fruitless searches done in Praia da Luz. According to the British Press, the elements of the Scotland Yard, "...are eagerly awaiting a formal response to their request so they can plan their next steps." It will be recalled that recently, a Report by the English Interior Ministry concluded that the investigation of the Maddie case created an environment of " frustration " and " resentment " between the Portuguese and the English police.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/atraso_judicial__revolta_ingleses.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 08, 2014, 06:00:23 PM
Just out...

English Judicial Delay Revolt

British investigators hope for authorization from Public Ministry to return to the Algarve this month.
By Rui Gomes Pando
Correio da Manhã
8 September 2014

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-09/img_757x426$2014_09_07_23_03_12_402333.jpg)

The Attorney General's Office has received the fifth letter of request from the British police as part of investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, but the authorization to carry out the steps requested is blocked due to the entry into force of the new judicial map.

Investigators from Scotland Yard , who still hoped to return this month to the Algarve , are frustrated and angry over an obstacle in the investigation.

According to the CM, it found that due to judicial reorganization that took effect in early September, the Maddie case was designated a low priority in the Public Ministry of Portimão. Processes considered urgent are those with defendants in custody, they will have priority. The CM reveals that only after 15 September will the new recently named Public Prosecutor of Portimão be in a position to examine the more recent applications by the British authorities.

Among the requests made as the CM already reported, are new interrogations of suspects already heard by the PJ after fruitless searches done in Praia da Luz. According to the British Press, the elements of the Scotland Yard, "...are eagerly awaiting a formal response to their request so they can plan their next steps." It will be recalled that recently, a Report by the English Interior Ministry concluded that the investigation of the Maddie case created an environment of " frustration " and " resentment " between the Portuguese and the English police.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/atraso_judicial__revolta_ingleses.html

One cannot but wonder if the Public Ministry of Portimão is in any great hurry to allow the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s case to proceed.  I think further delays in responding to the letters of request runs the risk of bringing the Portuguese Justice System into further disrepute.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on September 08, 2014, 06:19:26 PM
One cannot but wonder if the Public Ministry of Portimão is in any great hurry to allow the investigation into Madeleine McCann’s case to proceed.  I think further delays in responding to the letters of request runs the risk of bringing the Portuguese Justice System into further disrepute.

Too true...the entire reinvestigation is in danger of turning into one massive farce.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on September 08, 2014, 06:50:13 PM
Too true...the entire reinvestigation is in danger of turning into one massive farce.

What do you mean in danger of John ? I think we've already gone way beyond farce !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on September 08, 2014, 06:56:44 PM
What do you mean in danger of John ? I think we've already gone way beyond farce !
At what point did you decide that the Met weren't actively investigating the McCanns then?  It must have been very recently, as you seemed to be under the impression in a recent discussion we had that the McCanns had not been ruled out by them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on September 13, 2014, 12:22:57 PM
Yes, no news is good news!  say some, but I personally think it is BS.

They will find nothing because no one is talking - NO ONE! not for love or money- the people who know are keeping it very much to themselves. SO in order to call this a wrap.... pick a dead guy - any dead guy and it was HIM!  Problem solved-job done. There is nothing to see here people move along now!

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 13, 2014, 01:47:04 PM
After the searches, police said it was the ''first phase of this major investigation which has been agreed with the Portuguese'' but that there was "still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months''.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wires/pa/article-2684888/MCCANNS-DEVASTATED-BY-BOOK-CLAIMS.html

They forgot to put in years after "weeks and months". I'm sure that they will find lots of suspects and solid evidence of her location.....


I'm sure they will. After all, they have the entire population of PDL and further afield  to choose from.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2014, 08:19:06 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507849/Madeleine-McCann-hunt-slowed-by-court-chaos

search for Maddie held up by portugals court chaos...what a farce the Portuguese justice system is proving to be
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on September 18, 2014, 08:37:12 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507849/Madeleine-McCann-hunt-slowed-by-court-chaos

search for Maddie held up by portugals court chaos...what a farce the Portuguese justice system is proving to be

Excuses, excuses.

As I said some time ago, the 'blame' for the case being shelved once and for all will be placed on the Portuguese.

Surprise, surprise.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: xtina on September 18, 2014, 09:33:00 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507849/Madeleine-McCann-hunt-slowed-by-court-chaos

search for Maddie held up by portugals court chaos...what a farce the Portuguese justice system is proving to be

the farce..... is not only the Portuguese  though is it.........




Last week details emerged about a Home Office report which showed British police forces helping with the search for Madeleine hampered the Portuguese investigation.

So many UK agencies were keen to be seen to be helping, it created a “sense of chaos and competition”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on September 18, 2014, 09:38:50 AM
the farce..... is not only the Portuguese  though is it.........




Last week details emerged about a Home Office report which showed British police forces helping with the search for Madeleine hampered the Portuguese investigation.

So many UK agencies were keen to be seen to be helping, it created a “sense of chaos and competition”.

Indeed Xtina.

Also, this delay was known of some time ago, so why the hoo hah in the papers ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 18, 2014, 10:05:51 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/507849/Madeleine-McCann-hunt-slowed-by-court-chaos

search for Maddie held up by portugals court chaos...what a farce the Portuguese justice system is proving to be

“In an attempt to improve the ­service, 20 courts have closed creating a huge backlog of cases and a nightmare for administrators.

Trials are being held up as vast amounts of documents are moved all over the country in a bid to streamline the service. So government lawyers are giving priority to running trials and urgent cases.”



Seems to be a fair enough way of streamlining a country’s Justice system … introduce ‘well thought out and obviously planned procedures’ … to ensure utter chaos. 

Madeleine McCann’s case isn’t yet in court and as one which has in effect been running for over seven years should perhaps have merited a little thought by public prosecutors to enable a bit of continuity.

Maybe the perps are just as 'organised'.
Maybe they haven't got round to sorting out their stories - disposing of evidence - planting evidence - or whatever it is criminals do when they know the police are coming for them.  They sure don't need to even consider doing a runner ... nobody in Portugal seems to be at all interested in them. 

Is Portugal a member of the European Union or is it the third world country this disgraceful chaotic reorganisation of justice services seem to imply?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on September 18, 2014, 10:08:54 AM
The chaos in the courts is in part due to the computer system but the main reason is these changes were part of the demands made by the Troika (IMF, CBE and EU) in order to save money on public spending. The objective is to finish with any public service whether it be health, education, welfare and justice and our rightest government is only too happy to comply.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on September 18, 2014, 12:40:25 PM
It's the same all over regardless of which European country you reside in. Fiscal finances are in a mess and it is justice which is suffering as a consequence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on September 18, 2014, 03:50:33 PM
It's the same all over regardless of which European country you reside in. Fiscal finances are in a mess and it is justice which is suffering as a consequence.

This will be my only comment on this as it is OT. Just to say that the EU demand of a 3% deficit (which is impossible too attain) is to force countries to cut public spending, impose austerity and to eventually privatise public services. Neo liberal politics at its best unfortunately.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 19, 2014, 11:30:14 AM
Back on topic:

I thought that we were told that SY was back in PT this month.

Wonder when it will happen?   Or has something come up that changes that?



Anyone know?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 19, 2014, 11:48:23 AM
Back on topic:

I thought that we were told that SY was back in PT this month.

Wonder when it will happen?   Or has something come up that changes that?



Anyone know?

No idea, Sadie.
I think it must be due to delays in allowing the letters of request.  Very sad really as one would have hoped this investigation would have been fast tracked since it has been on hold for so long.

Just doesn't seem to be any urgency for a conclusion to be reached in some quarters.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 01, 2014, 08:55:02 PM
Interesting, and from an ex-copper.


'Total actual expenditure on Operation Grange for the period 2011/14 : £7,332,389. With the costs for 2014/15 "expected to be broadly in line with previous years", this will equate to a total spend by April 2015 (excluding pension costs) of circa £9.8 MILLION, courtesy of UK taxpayers.

I have never, either within my personal or professional knowledge, known of such a ludicrously high spend on an as yet undetermined crime, which occurred within a foreign jurisdiction over 7 years ago. Enough IS enough! This farce has to stop NOW!'


What else can you say ? &%+((£
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 01, 2014, 11:03:45 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-soldier claims he saw Madeleine McCann by a Nerja swimming pool

PUBLISHED: October 1, 2014 at 5:14 pm  •  LAST EDITED: October 1, 2014 at 5:21 pm

EXCLUSIVE: Ex-soldier claims he saw Madeleine McCann by a Nerja swimming pool

POLICE are investigating another reported sighting of Madeleine McCann in the Nerja area.

Former prison worker and military man David Fullman (not actual name) spotted a blonde girl speaking Spanish in an English accent at the communal pool at the Tropicana apartment complex in La Herradura and was immediately reminded of Maddie.

After checking the online photo fit he immediately contacted police in the UK.

“A Spanish couple were by the pool with a very Spanish daughter and a blonde, white-skinned girl who looked English and spoke with an English accent,” said Fullman, who was on holiday with his wife at her parents apartment.

“I tried to take a photo but the parents were keeping an eye on me, it was obvious I was watching them so I didn’t want to make a scene or appear to be a pervert.

“She looked like the digital construction, but more like her mother.”

Fullman, currently enrolled in a university degree, added: “I felt like I had to report this, even if it leads to nothing.

Maddie disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal in 2007, while her parents Kate and Gerry ate dinner nearby.

The Olive Press has reported on a string of previous alleged sightings of Maddie in the Axarquia.

British expat Rose Johnson, 70, believes she saw the missing girl playing on Penoncillo beach – between Torrox and Nerja – in the summer of 2011.

While in 2012, Spanish national police investigated a witness’ claim that Maddie had been seen walking in the town accompanied by ‘several people.

Another retired expat, Yvonne Tunnicliffe, claimed to be ‘100% sure’ that she had spotted Maddie at a Mercadona store in Alhaurin el Grande in 2010.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2014/10/01/exclusive-ex-soldier-claims-he-saw-madeleine-mccann-by-a-nerja-swimming-pool/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 01, 2014, 11:18:31 PM
EXCLUSIVE: Ex-soldier claims he saw Madeleine McCann by a Nerja swimming pool

PUBLISHED: October 1, 2014 at 5:14 pm  •  LAST EDITED: October 1, 2014 at 5:21 pm

EXCLUSIVE: Ex-soldier claims he saw Madeleine McCann by a Nerja swimming pool

POLICE are investigating another reported sighting of Madeleine McCann in the Nerja area.

Former prison worker and military man David Fullman (not actual name) spotted a blonde girl speaking Spanish in an English accent at the communal pool at the Tropicana apartment complex in La Herradura and was immediately reminded of Maddie.

After checking the online photo fit he immediately contacted police in the UK.

“A Spanish couple were by the pool with a very Spanish daughter and a blonde, white-skinned girl who looked English and spoke with an English accent,” said Fullman, who was on holiday with his wife at her parents apartment.

“I tried to take a photo but the parents were keeping an eye on me, it was obvious I was watching them so I didn’t want to make a scene or appear to be a pervert.

“She looked like the digital construction, but more like her mother.”

Fullman, currently enrolled in a university degree, added: “I felt like I had to report this, even if it leads to nothing.

Maddie disappeared from her bed in a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal in 2007, while her parents Kate and Gerry ate dinner nearby.

The Olive Press has reported on a string of previous alleged sightings of Maddie in the Axarquia.

British expat Rose Johnson, 70, believes she saw the missing girl playing on Penoncillo beach – between Torrox and Nerja – in the summer of 2011.

While in 2012, Spanish national police investigated a witness’ claim that Maddie had been seen walking in the town accompanied by ‘several people.

Another retired expat, Yvonne Tunnicliffe, claimed to be ‘100% sure’ that she had spotted Maddie at a Mercadona store in Alhaurin el Grande in 2010.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2014/10/01/exclusive-ex-soldier-claims-he-saw-madeleine-mccann-by-a-nerja-swimming-pool/

Interesting. Speaking Spanish with an English accent after 7 years?
It was also reported that during the Nerja carnival Lord Lucan was observed brandishing the World Cup whilst riding Shergar
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on October 01, 2014, 11:26:58 PM
Interesting. Speaking Spanish with an English accent after 7 years?
It was also reported that during the Nerja carnival Lord Lucan was observed brandishing the World Cup whilst riding Shergar

Why in heaven's name is it always British individuals who spot the child ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 02, 2014, 01:18:41 AM
Why in heaven's name is it always British individuals who spot the child ?
Because they are the ones who have taken Madeleine to heart and are still well aware of what she looked like.  Most National from other countries will not remember so much any more, neither will many of them have seen the age progression pictures repeatedly as we have in the UK

Also, she is OUR little missing girl. She is special to peeps from the UK.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 02, 2014, 11:37:16 AM
Why in heaven's name is it always British individuals who spot the child ?

If the past is anything to go by these sort of kerfuffles will occur just before something else happens.
Kind of like destroyers laying smoke for the main fleet to hide behind.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 02, 2014, 03:12:21 PM
Reminder:  All posts should relate to the latest news on the search for Madeleine. TY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on October 02, 2014, 03:55:14 PM
Why in heaven's name is it always British individuals who spot the child ?

Is it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 02, 2014, 07:54:27 PM
Is it?
No not always British.

The Smiths and the Mccluskys off the top of my head.  Belgians, several of them.  Clara Torres, spanish,  Several Portuguese and at least a couple of Moroccans.   A number of sightings in Malta,, so I guess some Maltese.

More Brits pro rata but then she is OUR little girl and OUR TV has probably shown far more pictures of her and over a much longer period.  So little wonder more Brits.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 02, 2014, 08:01:15 PM
No not always British.

The Smiths and the Mccluskys off the top of my head.  Belgians, several of them.  Clara Torres, spanish,  Several Portuguese and at least a couple of Moroccans.   A number of sightings in Malta,, so I guess some Maltese.

More Brits pro rata but then she is OUR little girl and OUR TV has probably shown far more pictures of her and over a much longer period.  So little wonder more Brits.

and lots in spain, where the recent sighting was in the news here earlier.
other things that came up a lot in sightings, were a dark Bmw type car, white van, dark skinned man, couple of which the female was blonde and 3 females. I
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on October 02, 2014, 09:11:14 PM
and lots in spain, where the recent sighting was in the news here earlier.
other things that came up a lot in sightings, were a dark Bmw type car, white van, dark skinned man, couple of which the female was blonde and 3 females. I

A dark BMW car?  How interesting.  Thanks Anna.  White vans have a significance to me too, but unfortunately they are ten a penny.

Yep a number in Spain.  I forgot them, thanks.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 03, 2014, 01:51:33 AM
Article by Gerry McCann in the guardian today:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/02/leveson-gerry-mccann-media-stories-before-truth


Leveson has changed nothing– the media still put ‘stories’ before the truth

As I know from experience, if papers tell lies about you, they’ll be able to get away with it pretty much scot free.
The public backs change – and editors must act.

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Kate and Gerry McCann talking to the press earlier this year during a libel case against a
former Portuguese police officer. ‘Newspapers treat the people they write about as if they
don’t exist. Wild animals are given more respect.’ Photograph: Mario Cruz/EPA



Nearly three years ago my wife, Kate, and I appeared before the Leveson inquiry to talk about the campaign of lies that was waged against us after our daughter Madeleine went missing. We described how our lives had been turned into a soap opera so that newspapers could make money, with no regard for truth, for the distress they were inflicting, or for the damage caused to the search for Madeleine. We asked Lord Justice Leveson to ensure that in future things would be different and that nobody would ever again have to endure the dishonest reporting we experienced, or at least that there would be some quick, effective way of correcting false reports in newspapers.

Nothing has changed since then. Big newspaper companies continue to put sales and profit before truth. The protection for ordinary people is as feeble as it always was.

A year ago, when Kate and I were experiencing a time of renewed hope as the Metropolitan police stepped up its new investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance, we received an email late on a Thursday night from the Sunday Times. Its reporter asked us to comment on information he planned to publish. This turned out to be a claim that for five years Kate, I and the directors of Madeleine’s Fund withheld crucial evidence about Madeleine’s disappearance. We rushed to meet his deadline for a response. In the vain hope that the Sunday Times would not publish such a clearly damaging and untrue story, we sent a statement to the newspaper. We denied the main tenet of the story and emphasised that since Madeleine’s disappearance we had fully cooperated with the police and that the directors of Madeleine’s Fund had always acted in her best interest.

However, the Sunday Times went ahead and published the report on its front page, largely ignoring our statement. We tried to settle this matter quickly and without legal action. I wrote to the editor asking for a correction, but all we got in response was an offer to publish a “clarification” and tweak a few lines of the article – but still to continue to publish it on the newspaper’s website. Indeed, further correspondence from the paper only aggravated the distress the original article had caused, created a huge volume of work and forced us to issue a formal complaint to get redress through our lawyers.

Eventually, two months after the article was published, a correction was printed, retracting all the allegations and apologising. But even then – and despite the grotesque nature of what it had falsely alleged on its front page – the apology was on an inside page and the word “apology” was absent from the headline. Since then, it has taken 11 months and the filing of a legal claim to get the Sunday Times to agree to damages, all of which we are donating to charity, and to get our right to tell the public that we had won the case. But the cost to the paper is peanuts – the fee for a single advertisement will probably cover it. And there will be no consequences for anyone working there.

Nothing will be done to ensure that in future reporters and editors try harder to get things right. And so the same people will do something similar, soon, to some other unfortunate family – who will probably not have our hard-earned experience of dealing with these things and who will probably never succeed in getting a correction or an apology.

So what has changed in the newspaper industry since the Leveson report two years ago? Absolutely nothing. Newspapers continue to put “stories” before the truth, and without much care for the victims.

They treat the people they write about as if they don’t exist. Wild animals are given more respect. They hide behind talk about the rights of the press while they routinely trash the rights of ordinary people. They constantly claim to stand up to the powerful, but they are the ones with the power, and they use it ruthlessly.

Legal action should be a last resort. A final route when all else has failed. I don’t blame Leveson. He recommended changes that would make a big difference. He wanted a press self-regulator that was not controlled by the big newspaper companies and that had real clout. If a paper told lies about you, you could go to this body and count on fast and fair treatment: it would not just let papers off the hook. More than that, Leveson wanted a cheap, quick arbitration service so that ordinary people did not need to resort to the law. Our experience shows this is a vital reform.

Parliament backed Leveson’s plan. The public backs it. So do we, and almost all the other victims who gave evidence to Leveson. Only one group of people is opposing this change – the perpetrators themselves, the same editors and newspaper owners who were responsible for all that cruelty. Instead of accepting the Leveson plan, these people, including the owner of the Sunday Times, have set up another sham regulator called Ipso, which is designed to do their bidding just like the old, disgraced Press Complaints Commission.

If in another year’s time the press still rejects the royal charter – itself already a compromise – then it will be time for parliament to deliver on the promises the party leaders made, and ensure that what Leveson recommended is actually delivered. Otherwise elements of the press will go on treating people with total contempt. This time, once again, it was Kate and I who were the targets. Next time it could be you.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/oct/02/leveson-gerry-mccann-media-stories-before-truth
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 11, 2014, 12:29:22 AM
just hope they find answers whatever they may be... as much as i'm intrigued by the case and reports surrounding it the best outcome would be them finding her alive... but if they even do could be a tragic tale... so sad... that said why so much resources on this case and not others? The parents tenacity maybe...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on October 11, 2014, 12:46:18 AM
just hope they find answers whatever they may be... as much as i'm intrigued by the case and reports surrounding it the best outcome would be them finding her alive... but if they even do could be a tragic tale... so sad... that said why so much resources on this case and not others? The parents tenacity maybe...

What exactly do SY hope to achieve by this investigation ? They and their investigation have no legal standing in Portugal. They have no power to question, arrest or charge anyone without permission and if, as it has been claimed, the PJ are following another theory, what exactly is the money being spent being spent for ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 11, 2014, 12:55:48 AM
Well they are obviously hoping for results... I have no idea tbh... sounds like the Portuguese are starting to help more mostly through diplomacy it seems like...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 12, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
So according to the papers SY detectives are hoping to continue their investigations having been delayed by the portuguese
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 12, 2014, 01:24:14 PM
So according to the papers SY detectives are hoping to continue their investigations having been delayed by the portuguese

Tito & Muzzy were being used elsewhere....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 13, 2014, 05:13:24 PM
Hunt: Madeleine McCann  The cost of the British police search for Madeleine McCann will top £10million as a new drive for the truth gives fresh hope to her parents.
Scotland Yard’s review of the youngster’s disappearance seven years ago will cost more than double the original £5million that was ­estimated by the Home Office.

But the Home Office last night defended the rising cost and said: “The Government believes it is right that it does all it can to support the search for Madeleine McCann.

“The Home Office will continue to work closely with the Metropolitan Police to review and control the costs appropriately and to ensure that the investigation has the resources it requires.”


PA 
Missing: Madeleine McCann   

It comes as a top Portuguese ­prosecutor takes over solving the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance from her holiday apartment.

Ines Sequeira is said to be ‘‘utterly determined’’ to solve the case.

And Metropolitan Police officers are also planning to return to the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz to ‘‘re-interview’’ three suspects in their push to find the kidnappers. They have sent a sent a fifth letter to Portuguese officers requesting access to the investigation, which has thrown up seven suspects.

Scotland Yard has handed the Home Office a bill for £7,332,389 since 2011 when the force was called in by David Cameron.

Figures show police received a special grant payment of £1.9million in 2011/2012, £2.8million in 2012/2013 and £2.6million in 2013/2014.

The amounts were revealed following a Freedom of Information request. It showed the bill for 2014/2015 is expected to be “broadly in line with previous years”. That will take the total to above £10million.

 

Thirty murder squad detectives are continuing the hunt in Portugal.

Expensive specialist forensic units have carried out excavations around Praia da Luz from where Madeleine went missing in 2007, aged three.

Scotland Yard refused to comment about payments to Portuguese police for the search.

A Met spokesman said: “We are not prepared to give a running commentary on the search.”

Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry from Rothley, Leics, have been assured the search will go on for the “foreseeable future”.

A spokesman for the family said: “Madeleine’s parents remain extremely grateful for the work carried out by officers from ­Operation Grange in the continued search for their daughter.”


http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/hunt-missing-madeleine-mccann-cost-4428360#ixzz3G2eDtf8K
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 13, 2014, 07:11:54 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2790678/cost-madeleine-mccann-search-tops-10m-new-drive-answers-means-police-bill-double-initial-5m-estimate.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 13, 2014, 11:41:34 PM
I really like this

Forensic scientists to join British police in McCann investigation
Analysts want to re-examine evidence retrieved from apartment from which Madeleine went missing in 2007
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Brendan de Beer in Portimão
The Guardian, Monday 13 October 2014 23.18 BST


A team of British forensic analysts are expected to join DCI Andy Redwood and his team of detectives in Portugal this week in a renewed bid to uncover the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment from which the British toddler went missing on 3 May 2007. The forensic evidence gathered at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance has been stored at the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.

Detectives and forensic technicians from the Metropolitan police are scheduled to visit the laboratory on Wednesday.

Detectives led by Redwood will meet with their Polícia Judiciária counterparts in Faro on Tuesday to discuss the request.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/13/madeleine-mccann-forensic-scientists-portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 14, 2014, 12:10:58 AM
Guardian Newspaper - full story

Forensic scientists to join British police in McCann investigation
Analysts want to re-examine evidence retrieved from apartment from which Madeleine went missing in 2007

A team of British forensic analysts are expected to join DCI Andy Redwood and his team of detectives in Portugal this week in a renewed bid to uncover the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment from which the British toddler went missing on 3 May 2007. The forensic evidence gathered at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance has been stored at the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.

Detectives and forensic technicians from the Metropolitan police are scheduled to visit the laboratory on Wednesday.

Detectives led by Redwood will meet with their Polícia Judiciária counterparts in Faro on Tuesday to discuss the request.

Police said they had not yet received any official orders from the public prosecutor’s office and that the next phase of the investigation was unlikely to commence for at least a fortnight.

A source close to the case told the Guardian that the request appeared “to focus primarily on the further questioning of some of the suspects brought in by Faro police in the summer”.

In July, Portuguese police quizzed four Portuguese nationals who were declared arguidos, or formal suspects. They also spoke to 11 witnesses.

The questioning of these suspects followed the end of major ground-level searches in Praia da Luz in early June, when Scotland Yard detectives scoured a large patch of scrubland.

The force described the operation as the largest overseas deployment ever undertaken by British police, and said it was the “first phase of this investigation” into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Although the searches turned up no fresh evidence, the Met said detectives had gained an “essential understanding of the activity for which people have used this piece of land” and alluded to “substantial work which is yet to be done in the coming months”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 01:04:43 AM
Guardian Newspaper - full story

Forensic scientists to join British police in McCann investigation
Analysts want to re-examine evidence retrieved from apartment from which Madeleine went missing in 2007

A team of British forensic analysts are expected to join DCI Andy Redwood and his team of detectives in Portugal this week in a renewed bid to uncover the truth behind the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Portuguese police sources told the Guardian that the scientists have asked to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the holiday apartment from which the British toddler went missing on 3 May 2007. The forensic evidence gathered at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance has been stored at the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.

Detectives and forensic technicians from the Metropolitan police are scheduled to visit the laboratory on Wednesday.

Detectives led by Redwood will meet with their Polícia Judiciária counterparts in Faro on Tuesday to discuss the request.

Police said they had not yet received any official orders from the public prosecutor’s office and that the next phase of the investigation was unlikely to commence for at least a fortnight.

A source close to the case told the Guardian that the request appeared “to focus primarily on the further questioning of some of the suspects brought in by Faro police in the summer”.

In July, Portuguese police quizzed four Portuguese nationals who were declared arguidos, or formal suspects. They also spoke to 11 witnesses.

The questioning of these suspects followed the end of major ground-level searches in Praia da Luz in early June, when Scotland Yard detectives scoured a large patch of scrubland.

The force described the operation as the largest overseas deployment ever undertaken by British police, and said it was the “first phase of this investigation” into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Although the searches turned up no fresh evidence, the Met said detectives had gained an “essential understanding of the activity for which people have used this piece of land” and alluded to “substantial work which is yet to be done in the coming months”.

Excellent news ... forensic practices and technology are far more advanced now than they were in 2007.  If Madeleine's bedding had been preserved there is a slight chance foreign DNA might have been found, unfortunately I don't believe that was done.

The only disappointment is that Portuguese police sources seem to be feeding the press again.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2014, 08:18:59 AM
Excellent news ... forensic practices and technology are far more advanced now than they were in 2007.  If Madeleine's bedding had been preserved there is a slight chance foreign DNA might have been found, unfortunately I don't believe that was done.

The only disappointment is that Portuguese police sources seem to be feeding the press again.



You'd rather have no news ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 10:15:51 AM

You'd rather have no news ?


There have been too many 'sources close to the PJ' over the past few years ... I prefer official sources for things that are actually happening.
Good to see the boots back on the ground.

British detectives return in search for Madeleine
in News • 14-10-2014 08:33:00 • 0 Comments

British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have arrived in the Algarve for another routine meeting with the Policia Judiciaria in Faro.


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This is the first time detectives from Scotland Yard have returned to the Algarve since sitting in on the questioning of four suspects at the beginning of July.

 
Following today’s scheduled meeting with regional police Chief Mota Carmo, detectives will head to the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.


It is expected that they will be reviewing some of the evidence retrieved from the apartment from where Madeleine went missing in 2007.

http://theportugalnews.com/news/british-detectives-return-in-search-for-madeleine/32989
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 11:26:09 AM

The forensic scientists who have gone to Portugal will no doubt test the samples for which no matches were found at the time.

I wonder if there may be matches to one or more of the people of interest to SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2014, 12:18:24 PM
The forensic scientists who have gone to Portugal will no doubt test the samples for which no matches were found at the time.

I wonder if there may be matches to one or more of the people of interest to SY.


Not likely, but time will tell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 14, 2014, 12:57:35 PM

There have been too many 'sources close to the PJ' over the past few years ... I prefer official sources for things that are actually happening.
Good to see the boots back on the ground.

British detectives return in search for Madeleine
in News • 14-10-2014 08:33:00 • 0 Comments

British detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have arrived in the Algarve for another routine meeting with the Policia Judiciaria in Faro.


(http://theportugalnews.com/uploads/news/ANDY_REDWOOD_3.JPG)

This is the first time detectives from Scotland Yard have returned to the Algarve since sitting in on the questioning of four suspects at the beginning of July.

 
Following today’s scheduled meeting with regional police Chief Mota Carmo, detectives will head to the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra in central Portugal.


It is expected that they will be reviewing some of the evidence retrieved from the apartment from where Madeleine went missing in 2007.

http://theportugalnews.com/news/british-detectives-return-in-search-for-madeleine/32989

It appears what I posted several months back is now coming to fruition.  The forensics are being reviewed using the very latest techniques.  I don't hold any misconceptions about the outcome however and unless most of PdL is dug up I don't see this case being solved any time soon.

£10 million spent so far, how much more?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 14, 2014, 01:03:14 PM
It appears what I posted several months back is now coming to fruition.  The forensics are being reviewed using the very latest techniques.  I don't hold any misconceptions about the outcome however and unless most of PdL is dug up I don't see this case being solved any time soon.

£10 million spent so far, how much more?

Is this the forensic examination of the contaminated samples which revealed inconclusive reults. ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 14, 2014, 01:07:17 PM
Is this the forensic examination of the contaminated samples which revealed inconclusive reults. ?

I would have thought so Stephen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 14, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
It appears what I posted several months back is now coming to fruition.  The forensics are being reviewed using the very latest techniques.  I don't hold any misconceptions about the outcome however and unless most of PdL is dug up I don't see this case being solved any time soon.

£10 million spent so far, how much more?

That will depend on the next government she said with a touch of irony in her voice.
Have we run up against the law of diminishing returns yet do you think ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2014, 01:11:11 PM
The results were probably OK - it was the interpretation put on them that deemed them inconclusive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 14, 2014, 01:41:46 PM
£10,000,000 and counting.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/madeleine-mccann-investigation-bill-10m-reveals-scotland-yard-161129226.html



Meanwhile Police Stations are closing across the country, three at least not far from the mccanns in the East Midlands.


....... and the money spent on this case has achieved ???





Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 02:01:51 PM
£10,000,000 and counting.


https://uk.news.yahoo.com/madeleine-mccann-investigation-bill-10m-reveals-scotland-yard-161129226.html



Meanwhile Police Stations are closing across the country, three at least not far from the mccanns in the East Midlands.


....... and the money spent on this case has achieved ???


The suggestion seems to be that there are results from the earlier digging in PDL.

Posted by portugalpress on October 14, 2014

Madeleine cops “back in Portugal”

Days after the British press buzzed with excitement over the possibility of a new Portuguese prosecutor “utterly determined” to get to the bottom of the seven-year mystery, three officers from Operation Grange have returned to Faro to continue their investigations into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

As the three-man team led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood arrived yesterday (Monday) afternoon, it is believed that first they will meet incoming PJ detectives in Faro, to discuss the next steps they hope to be allowed to take, and then they will travel up to Coimbra to receive analysis of the items recovered during the high-profile digging for clues that went ahead in Praia da Luz in the heat of the media spotlight in July.

According to Jornal de Notícias this morning (Tuesday), Scotland Yard has “seized” on the appointment of 49-year-old Sequeira “to exert pressure on the magistrate” who is described as having to be brought up to speed on hundreds of cases as she takes over from outgoing prosecutor Magalhães e Menezes.

A fifth international letter of request for house searches of the three Portuguese men Scotland Yard have in their sights has still to be authorised.

It is unlikely to get Sequeira’s rubber-stamp during this visit, suggests Correio da Manhã, stressing that the prosecutor’s immediate priorities are cases that involve prisoners.

Portuguese papers appear to be the only ones reporting on this morning’s news. After the rush of British focus on what they termed a “high flying prosecutor” at the weekend, there has been very little said about this week’s routine visit by the Brits whose investigation now is reported to have pushed Grange’s expenditure well over budget.

Jornal de Notícias talks of €9 million while the British press suggests expenses so far are more like 10 million pounds. That’s double Scotland Yard’s original estimates, and as many point out, follows on from many millions spent previously in the search. As CM concludes, “the costs of the investigation reopened on the orders of Prime Minister David Cameron are being criticised”.
- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-cops-%E2%80%9Cback-in-portugal%E2%80%9D#sthash.BZ8Q7qsA.dpuf
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on October 14, 2014, 02:39:07 PM
As the three-man team led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood arrived yesterday (Monday) afternoon, it is believed that first they will meet incoming PJ detectives in Faro, to discuss the next steps they hope to be allowed to take, and then they will travel up to Coimbra to receive analysis of the items recovered during the high-profile digging for clues that went ahead in Praia da Luz in the heat of the media spotlight in July.

Hmmm. Whether the searches had revealed something or nothing of significance, they would presumably still need to meet to share the results. If a JIT had been in place, then any such information (or lack thereof) could presumably have been shared earlier and without media speculation.

For the moment, it seems to be a meeting to share what has happened and to decide on future steps. In a national situation, such meetings would be internal and out of the tabloids' line of vision, I would have thought.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on October 14, 2014, 02:44:48 PM
I really can't even begin to imagine why the Portuguese wouldn't want to form a JIT...

But wait, what?, what's this...?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/sep/01/british-police-competition-harmed-madeleine-mccann-investigation-home-office-report
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 03:46:56 PM
Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 12:46
Update 2 - 76-year-old Briton to be extradited - possibly linked to McCann case

A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.

Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment at Ta Cenc, consented to be extradited this morning before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli.

He was arrested by the Malta police in the whereabouts of Sannat yesterday.

Roderick Macdonald – who also used the surname Robinson – is also wanted by UK police who believe he can shed light on a paedophile ring possibly linked to the abduction of Madeleine McCann, according to UK tabloid newspapers Daily Mail and the Mirror.

Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007. She disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents Kate and Gerry were eating in a near-by restaurant

The Mirror reported that Mr Macdonald was in Algarve when the three-year-old vanished in 2007.Scotland Yard detectives chasing new leads in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing wanted to quiz him about paedophile rings in the area in 2007.

Police were ­investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder from 2004 to 2010.The attacks stopped in 2010, at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal to Australia for raping an eight-year-old girl there, the Mirror reported in May.

Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.

He moved to south coast resort Brighton where he was made to sign the sex offenders register but in 2012 he was given a suspended prison sentence in 2012 for abusing five- and seven-year-old girls in Brighton who bore a resemblance to Madeleine, the Mirror reported.

Mr Macdonald appeared in court in Malta this morning under arrest on the strength of a provisional arrest warrant issued by the courts after the UK judicial authorities requested his extradition "to serve a term of imprisonment of sexual assault of a female under 13 years of age".

A European Arrest Warrant had been issued against him on April 25, 2013, by the Lewes Crown Court in East Sussex

Police Inspector Mario Cuschieri prosecuted.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141014/local/update-2-76-year-old-briton-to-be-extradited-possibly-linked-to-mccann-case.539720
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2014, 04:03:36 PM
Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 12:46
Update 2 - 76-year-old Briton to be extradited - possibly linked to McCann case

A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.

Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment at Ta Cenc, consented to be extradited this morning before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli.

He was arrested by the Malta police in the whereabouts of Sannat yesterday.

Roderick Macdonald – who also used the surname Robinson – is also wanted by UK police who believe he can shed light on a paedophile ring possibly linked to the abduction of Madeleine McCann, according to UK tabloid newspapers Daily Mail and the Mirror.

Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007. She disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents Kate and Gerry were eating in a near-by restaurant

The Mirror reported that Mr Macdonald was in Algarve when the three-year-old vanished in 2007.Scotland Yard detectives chasing new leads in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing wanted to quiz him about paedophile rings in the area in 2007.

Police were ­investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder from 2004 to 2010.The attacks stopped in 2010, at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal to Australia for raping an eight-year-old girl there, the Mirror reported in May.

Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.

He moved to south coast resort Brighton where he was made to sign the sex offenders register but in 2012 he was given a suspended prison sentence in 2012 for abusing five- and seven-year-old girls in Brighton who bore a resemblance to Madeleine, the Mirror reported.

Mr Macdonald appeared in court in Malta this morning under arrest on the strength of a provisional arrest warrant issued by the courts after the UK judicial authorities requested his extradition "to serve a term of imprisonment of sexual assault of a female under 13 years of age".

A European Arrest Warrant had been issued against him on April 25, 2013, by the Lewes Crown Court in East Sussex

Police Inspector Mario Cuschieri prosecuted.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141014/local/update-2-76-year-old-briton-to-be-extradited-possibly-linked-to-mccann-case.539720

Bloomin Hell.  That's a bit close for comfort.  Wasn't Madeleine sighted in Malta?  Or could it have been Gozo?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 14, 2014, 04:11:16 PM
She seems to have been sighted here, there & everywhere, so why not Malta?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 14, 2014, 04:16:21 PM
She seems to have been sighted here, there & everywhere, so why not Malta?

There were several sighting in this area, if I recall correctly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 14, 2014, 04:24:21 PM
Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 12:46
Update 2 - 76-year-old Briton to be extradited - possibly linked to McCann case

A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.

Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment at Ta Cenc, consented to be extradited this morning before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli.

He was arrested by the Malta police in the whereabouts of Sannat yesterday.

Roderick Macdonald – who also used the surname Robinson – is also wanted by UK police who believe he can shed light on a paedophile ring possibly linked to the abduction of Madeleine McCann, according to UK tabloid newspapers Daily Mail and the Mirror.

Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007. She disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents Kate and Gerry were eating in a near-by restaurant

The Mirror reported that Mr Macdonald was in Algarve when the three-year-old vanished in 2007.Scotland Yard detectives chasing new leads in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing wanted to quiz him about paedophile rings in the area in 2007.

Police were ­investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder from 2004 to 2010.The attacks stopped in 2010, at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal to Australia for raping an eight-year-old girl there, the Mirror reported in May.

Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.

He moved to south coast resort Brighton where he was made to sign the sex offenders register but in 2012 he was given a suspended prison sentence in 2012 for abusing five- and seven-year-old girls in Brighton who bore a resemblance to Madeleine, the Mirror reported.

Mr Macdonald appeared in court in Malta this morning under arrest on the strength of a provisional arrest warrant issued by the courts after the UK judicial authorities requested his extradition "to serve a term of imprisonment of sexual assault of a female under 13 years of age".

A European Arrest Warrant had been issued against him on April 25, 2013, by the Lewes Crown Court in East Sussex

Police Inspector Mario Cuschieri prosecuted.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141014/local/update-2-76-year-old-briton-to-be-extradited-possibly-linked-to-mccann-case.539720

2010

Portuguese police arrested a British citizen, who had an international arrest warrant issued against him by Australian authorities, in the Algarve on March 31.According to the police, Roderick Robinson, aged 73, had been sought for many years for crimes of child molestation and aggravated sexual assault on children and is described as a dangerous sex offender.According to daily newspaper Correio da Manhã, the man was sought for sexual crimes against two girls, one in Australia and one in New Zealand, in 1998 and 1999 respectively.The British citizen was arrested at an Olhão campsite, where he had been staying for two months, a spokesman for the campsite told the Algarve Resident.The Portuguese police have no evidence suggesting that the man had committed any crimes in Portugal but are investigating his time in the Algarve and the reasons that brought him to the region.Roderick Robinson was heard at Évora Court on the day of his arrest and is now in preventative custody in Lisbon, awaiting extradition orders.According to Lusa news agency, the Australian authorities have been contacted by the Portuguese police who have requested documents to initiative the extradition process. A client at the campsite told Correio da Manhã that Roderick Robinson spent most of the time sun bathing and was never seen around children. Paulo Silvestre
1">news

http://portugalresident.com/british-paedophile-arrested-in-algarve

Fled to new Zealand/australia

Where on bail

Then fled to Thailand

http://www.whatsonsanya.com/news-14963-brit-paedophile-roderick-william-robinson-73-held-in-thailand-after-12-yrs-on-the-run.html

Then sent back to Britain 2011

Then fled to Malta

God what a run around
I hope they can hold onto him this time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 04:26:39 PM
There were several sighting in this area, if I recall correctly.

A two minute search turned up these two ... but I know there have been many others.

'I saw Madeleine wearing wig with couple in Malta'

    Archipelago And Islands
    Malta
    The Sun (newspaper)

Published: 22 June 2007
A British tourist in Malta claims to have seen missing Madeleine McCann heavily disguised with a black wig and accompanied by an older Arabic man.
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/i-saw-madeleine-wearing-wig-with-couple-in-malta-6592369.html

11 'sightings' of Madeleine in Malta - but police investigations draw a blank

Last updated at 18:34 22 June 2007

Two more witnesses have come forward to report seeing Madeleine McCann in Malta - but police on the Mediterranean island said their investigations had so far come to nothing.

Maltese authorities revealed they had now received details of 11 separate sightings of the missing four-year-old, dating back as far as May 27.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-463621/11-sightings-Madeleine-Malta--police-investigations-draw-blank.html#ixzz3G8JoHDVd
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 14, 2014, 05:04:50 PM

Forensic scientists to join British police in McCann investigation
Analysts want to re-examine evidence retrieved from apartment from which Madeleine went missing in 2007

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/13/madeleine-mccann-forensic-scientists-portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Matt Erixon on October 14, 2014, 05:15:27 PM
Bloomin Hell.  That's a bit close for comfort.  Wasn't Madeleine sighted in Malta?  Or could it have been Gozo?

He takes Madeleine from Portugal to Australia by airplane,later Bali, Thailand, UK and Malta.
Madeleine was sighted in Malta after all this trips ??
What a farce!
 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 14, 2014, 05:21:12 PM
He takes Madeleine from Portugal to Australia by airplane,later Bali, Thailand, UK and Malta.
Madeleine was sighted in Malta after all this trips ??
What a farce!
 8((()*/

Is it a joke or just plain pathetic ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 05:27:38 PM
Forensic scientists to join British police in McCann investigation
Analysts want to re-examine evidence retrieved from apartment from which Madeleine went missing in 2007

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/13/madeleine-mccann-forensic-scientists-portugal

There is unidentified DNA from hairs found in the original forensic sweep of the alartment ... there are also hairs which have not been accounted for.

There were also smudged fingerprints from the original forensics, don't know if updated techniques will be able to make anything of those, they certainly couldn't in 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Matt Erixon on October 14, 2014, 05:29:31 PM
Is it a joke or just plain pathetic ?
It is a big fat joke as much else in this circus.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2014, 05:33:10 PM
There is unidentified DNA from hairs found in the original forensic sweep of the alartment ... there are also hairs which have not been accounted for.

There were also smudged fingerprints from the original forensics, don't know if updated techniques will be able to make anything of those, they certainly couldn't in 2007.

Should be good for the British scientists to have a look at these
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 14, 2014, 05:35:36 PM
It is a big fat joke as much else in this circus.

and maybe, just maybe since the cost of this investigation resurfaces, so do the 'sightings'.

Talk about deja vu.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 06:39:29 PM
and maybe, just maybe since the cost of this investigation resurfaces, so do the 'sightings'.

Talk about deja vu.

To which sightings do you refer?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 14, 2014, 07:37:21 PM
Should be good for the British scientists to have a look at these

As long as they are better than the defunct FSS  8(>((
The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA samples in cases between 2000 and 2005.[6] This led the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) to advise all police forces in England and Wales to review cases where samples had failed to give a DNA profile.[6]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jean-Pierre on October 14, 2014, 07:50:12 PM
and maybe, just maybe since the cost of this investigation resurfaces, so do the 'sightings'.

Talk about deja vu.

Are you referring to the malta sightings, by any chance? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on October 14, 2014, 07:58:58 PM
Are you referring to the malta sightings, by any chance?

Not at all.

I am referring to the observation that when ever the case comes up in the news for what ever reason, 'sightings' invariably follow.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jean-Pierre on October 14, 2014, 08:16:01 PM
Not at all.

I am referring to the observation that when ever the case comes up in the news for what ever reason, 'sightings' invariably follow.

ok - what recent sightings have there been - given the comments in the press
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 08:50:44 PM

Madeleine McCann: Mystery DNA tested to locate her kidnapper

    Oct 14, 2014 20:20
    By Gerard Couzens

Metropolitan Police proposing DNA tests on key samples that have been stored for seven years

New evidence: Madeleine McCann

Scotland Yard detectives probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance are to propose new tests on mystery DNA that could belong to her kidnapper.

The Operation Grange team have been invited into the bunker where key samples collected from the holiday flat she vanished from are being held.

The Met Police officers plan to discuss new ways of analysing evidence held on file for the past seven years at a forensic science HQ in Coimbra north of Lisbon.

They are expected to focus on DNA found in Madeleine’s bedroom that does not belong to any of her family or workers at the Ocean Club holiday resort where she was staying who were tested at the time.


They hope modern-day technology could help them match the samples, described as “vague”, with DNA taken from three new suspects who were questioned in July.

Their visit to the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences comes 24 hours after they met Portuguese police chiefs in the Algarve capital Faro a four-hour drive away.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood and two colleagues pressed for an quick response to their bid to do more background work on the three suspects during talks with local police chiefs Luis Mota Carmo and Ana Paula Rito.

New prosecutor Ines Sequeira, who has the final say about Scotland Yard’s fifth international of request, is expected to answer detectives in the next fortnight.

Mr Redwood declined to comment before being driven away from Faro police station in the back seat of a BMW hire car.

Asked about the new prosecutor and his hopes from the trip to Coimbra, he said: “I’m sorry but I’ve nothing to say.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-dna-tested-4438451
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 14, 2014, 09:05:53 PM
Not at all.

I am referring to the observation that when ever the case comes up in the news for what ever reason, 'sightings' invariably follow.
Being naturally nasty and suspicious of nature I always wonder (not necessarily in the McCann case but this is indicative).
When a noise is made about a particular issue is it to hide something else that has happened / about to happen?
All the crap about sightings in Malta and Gozo (thought he was a Muppet with a big nose) et al was it to hide the Guardian article which raises interesting questions.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 14, 2014, 10:40:57 PM
If you seriously think anyone is trying to hide the guardian article you need to add a couple more adjectives to nasty and suspicious when describing yourself...I could make a suggestion but it will be removed
What Guardian article?  It must be so well hidden I've missed it! @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jean-Pierre on October 14, 2014, 10:49:07 PM
Maybe this is the one.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/13/madeleine-mccann-forensic-scientists-portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 14, 2014, 10:51:34 PM
Maybe this is the one.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/13/madeleine-mccann-forensic-scientists-portugal
Thanks J-P.  Why would anyone wish to hide this?  It 's good news, the investigation is progressing once more.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on October 14, 2014, 10:53:11 PM
Madeleine McCann: Mystery DNA tested to locate her kidnapper

    Oct 14, 2014 20:20
    By Gerard Couzens

Metropolitan Police proposing DNA tests on key samples that have been stored for seven years

New evidence: Madeleine McCann

Scotland Yard detectives probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance are to propose new tests on mystery DNA that could belong to her kidnapper.

The Operation Grange team have been invited into the bunker where key samples collected from the holiday flat she vanished from are being held.

The Met Police officers plan to discuss new ways of analysing evidence held on file for the past seven years at a forensic science HQ in Coimbra north of Lisbon.

They are expected to focus on DNA found in Madeleine’s bedroom that does not belong to any of her family or workers at the Ocean Club holiday resort where she was staying who were tested at the time.


They hope modern-day technology could help them match the samples, described as “vague”, with DNA taken from three new suspects who were questioned in July.

Their visit to the National Institute for Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences comes 24 hours after they met Portuguese police chiefs in the Algarve capital Faro a four-hour drive away.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood and two colleagues pressed for an quick response to their bid to do more background work on the three suspects during talks with local police chiefs Luis Mota Carmo and Ana Paula Rito.

New prosecutor Ines Sequeira, who has the final say about Scotland Yard’s fifth international of request, is expected to answer detectives in the next fortnight.

Mr Redwood declined to comment before being driven away from Faro police station in the back seat of a BMW hire car.

Asked about the new prosecutor and his hopes from the trip to Coimbra, he said: “I’m sorry but I’ve nothing to say.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-mystery-dna-tested-4438451

The Met Police officers plan to discuss new ways of analysing evidence held on file for the past seven years at a forensic science HQ in Coimbra north of Lisbon.

They are expected to focus on DNA found in Madeleine’s bedroom that does not belong to any of her family or workers at the Ocean Club holiday resort where she was staying who were tested at the time.

They hope modern-day technology could help them match the samples, described as “vague”, with DNA taken from three new suspects who were questioned in July.


Not that (for purposes of establishing the innocence of the McCanns or their friends) there has ever, particularly, been a need to.

But if these tests bear fruit, there might, just, be the platform from which to ram back down the throats of those who bleat it, the tired old mantra:

where is there the evidence of abduction!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on October 14, 2014, 10:54:12 PM
As long as they are better than the defunct FSS  8(>((
The FSS suffered damage to its reputation following the failure to recover blood stains from a shoe in the murder of Damilola Taylor.[5] Further damage occurred when the FSS failed to use the most up-to-date techniques for extracting DNA samples in cases between 2000 and 2005.[6] This led the Association of Chief Police Officers (ACPO) to advise all police forces in England and Wales to review cases where samples had failed to give a DNA profile.[6]

this looks like an attempt to falsely discredit the FSS...do you have the source for this statement
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on October 14, 2014, 10:58:14 PM
Maybe this is the one.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/oct/13/madeleine-mccann-forensic-scientists-portugal

If Andy Redwood, himself, took part in the search, was he really wearing a suit at the time?

Surely not ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 14, 2014, 10:59:28 PM
Oh I get it!  The sceptics are hoping the DNA tests are going to reveal that the McCanns dunnit.  Dream on, sceptics, dream on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 14, 2014, 11:02:07 PM
Sceptic here... But just hoping for the truth man... Whatever that may be... Always keep an open mind imo... Anyone making dogmatic claims in this case looks a bit stupid...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on October 14, 2014, 11:06:18 PM
Sceptic here... But just hoping for the truth man... Whatever that may be... Always keep an open mind imo... Anyone making dogmatic claims in this case looks a bit stupid...

I don't think so.

Not that I expect it, but you can dogmatically proclaim the innocence of the McCanns and be proved wrong: without shame.

There is never any shame in believing the innocence, even of someone guilty, until the evidence of guilt is produced.

Shame comes from the opposite tendency: to assume the guilt of someone innocent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Jean-Pierre on October 14, 2014, 11:06:34 PM
Sceptic here... But just hoping for the truth man... Whatever that may be... Always keep an open mind imo... Anyone making dogmatic claims in this case looks a bit stupid...

Good grief - now there is something upon which we can agree. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 11:08:00 PM
Thanks J-P.  Why would anyone wish to hide this?  It 's good news, the investigation is progressing once more.

 … I agree ... there is nothing in that article which would lead me to lend any credence to the claims made on the forum this evening.  Maybe if we were given a cite when such assertions are made it could help us decide their veracity or even their probability.

Revisiting the much ridiculed (in certain quarters) dig carried out earlier this year by SY … I find it interesting that they apparently did find something they thought worth having tested forensically.

They obviously have their reasons for everything they are doing ... it would be good if they are left in peace to get on with it.

>>snip<< Although the searches turned up no fresh evidence, the Met said detectives had gained an “essential understanding of the activity for which people have used this piece of land” and alluded to “substantial work which is yet to be done in the coming months”.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 14, 2014, 11:16:56 PM
I don't mean shame... I guess to be clearer I mean willfully disregarding or making stuff up to defend a particular viewpoint... I've read a lot about this case on this forum and others and still surprised by the dogmatic/stubborn viewpoints... People have become emotionally involved in this case and can't bear to be wrong... Personally although I suspect the McCanns it's no big deal if they are innocent and indeed I try not post for just this reason.. I don't want to be part of creating suspicion however small if they are innocent which I percieve as a high possibility... Anyway, there is some shame to protecting their innocence if they are guilty... You are generating support for a pair of criminals who somehow helped or concealed the demise of a young girl... Personally I think that shame you talk about cuts both ways... In a way I wish this was a closed forum...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 14, 2014, 11:18:52 PM
On a lighter note anyone seemed gone girl? Thought it was interesting the way they portrayed the media. Reminded me of this case somewhat..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 14, 2014, 11:27:21 PM
On a lighter note anyone seemed gone girl? Thought it was interesting the way they portrayed the media. Reminded me of this case somewhat..
No plot spoilers please, we're going to see it on Friday!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on October 14, 2014, 11:28:45 PM
I don't mean shame... I guess to be clearer I mean willfully disregarding or making stuff up to defend a particular viewpoint... I've read a lot about this case on this forum and others and still surprised by the dogmatic/stubborn viewpoints... People have become emotionally involved in this case and can't bear to be wrong... Personally although I suspect the McCanns it's no big deal if they are innocent and indeed I try not post for just this reason.. I don't want to be part of creating suspicion however small if they are innocent which I percieve as a high possibility... Anyway, there is some shame to protecting their innocence if they are guilty... You are generating support for a pair of criminals who somehow helped or concealed the demise of a young girl... Personally I think that shame you talk about cuts both ways... In a way I wish this was a closed forum...

I've carefully read the whole of your post and choose to cite just one small extract:

 there is some shame to protecting their innocence if they are guilty

I would actually agree with that, but with a caveat.

To protest the innocence of anyone whom you know and can prove to be guilty is clearly wrong.

But if you are simply undecided, or don't have information to make an informed decision either way, making the assumption of innocence is far the lesser evil than the opposite tendency ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 14, 2014, 11:36:08 PM
I don't mean shame... I guess to be clearer I mean willfully disregarding or making stuff up to defend a particular viewpoint... I've read a lot about this case on this forum and others and still surprised by the dogmatic/stubborn viewpoints... People have become emotionally involved in this case and can't bear to be wrong... Personally although I suspect the McCanns it's no big deal if they are innocent and indeed I try not post for just this reason.. I don't want to be part of creating suspicion however small if they are innocent which I percieve as a high possibility... Anyway, there is some shame to protecting their innocence if they are guilty... You are generating support for a pair of criminals who somehow helped or concealed the demise of a young girl... Personally I think that shame you talk about cuts both ways... In a way I wish this was a closed forum...

IMO you are reiterating many of the false justifications with which the internet is awash but which are merely an excuse to hound the family of a missing child.

There is NO shame in supporting the concept of “INNOCENT TILL PROVEN GUILTY” and there is not one iota of evidence to support your allegation regarding Madeleine’s parents.

The news coming out of Portugal at the moment is very good indeed and perhaps you should go along with your instinct of not wishing to add to the controversy. 
You can do that by thinking very carefully about the content of your posts prior to posting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on October 14, 2014, 11:49:50 PM
Really, how so?

Anyway, I am no angel by any means, but sure I don't want to add fuel to an already blazing fire. My main reason to post is simply an interest in intelligent discussion here...

Edit: also I think some of your replies are constructed in such a way as to stifle discussion. I realise that you have probably done significant research on this case and can become irked at misinformed opinion, but perhaps a more patient approach would help to dispel some of these justifications. Also I suspect you are rather entrenched in your views and do you think you have an open mind here? Is there a universe in which you suspect the McCanns? Seems weird to me to know for sure in either case...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2014, 01:49:10 AM
Really, how so?

Anyway, I am no angel by any means, but sure I don't want to add fuel to an already blazing fire. My main reason to post is simply an interest in intelligent discussion here...

Edit: also I think some of your replies are constructed in such a way as to stifle discussion. I realise that you have probably done significant research on this case and can become irked at misinformed opinion, but perhaps a more patient approach would help to dispel some of these justifications. Also I suspect you are rather entrenched in your views and do you think you have an open mind here? Is there a universe in which you suspect the McCanns? Seems weird to me to know for sure in either case...

Isn’t it about time people moved on from groundhog day to take on board current developments in Madeleine’s case?

The current PJ and SY investigations have gone through the old evidence with a fine tooth comb and used it as a foundation to develop the case. 
One in which neither Madeleine’s parents nor their friends figure as suspects.

There is confirmation about the burglaries taking place at the time.

There is confirmation about the children being attacked in their beds … both of which were being strenuously denied in some quarters even at the beginning of this year.

Now we have a new Prosecutor in Portugal who is keen to solve the case and The PJ and the Met working to solve the case … there are people to be questioned and forensics to be sorted out … all new activities … which are focused on the people who actually took Madeleine.

Things are moving now only because the case was reopened ... and that is entirely due to Madeleine's parents.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 15, 2014, 08:40:36 AM
Isn’t it about time people moved on from groundhog day to take on board current developments in Madeleine’s case?

The current PJ and SY investigations have gone through the old evidence with a fine tooth comb and used it as a foundation to develop the case. 
One in which neither Madeleine’s parents nor their friends figure as suspects.

There is confirmation about the burglaries taking place at the time.

There is confirmation about the children being attacked in their beds … both of which were being strenuously denied in some quarters even at the beginning of this year.


Now we have a new Prosecutor in Portugal who is keen to solve the case and The PJ and the Met working to solve the case … there are people to be questioned and forensics to be sorted out … all new activities … which are focused on the people who actually took Madeleine.

Things are moving now only because the case was reopened ... and that is entirely due to Madeleine's parents.

Neither of which have been demonstrated to have any link to Madeleine's disappearance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 15, 2014, 10:08:45 AM
Neither of which have been demonstrated to have any link to Madeleine's disappearance.

Although the burglaries and assaults were known about in 2007 … they were not investigated either to be ruled in or out … so any link there may have been to Madeleine’s disappearance was not determined. 

They certainly are of interest to the present SY investigation.

That the individual based in Malta who is under arrest at the moment may have no direct link to Madeleine’s abduction is not something for people like us to ponder … but the police will certainly go into that and if he might have information about those who do.

Solving crime is all about taking every piece of information available and collating it ... not deciding on the outcome you want and tailoring the information to suit that while discarding everything that doesn't fit.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carew on October 15, 2014, 10:27:04 AM
Tuesday, October 14, 2014, 12:46
Update 2 - 76-year-old Briton to be extradited - possibly linked to McCann case

A 76-year-old British national, who was living in Gozo, will be extradited to the UK where he will serve time for the sexual assault of a girl aged under 13.

Roderick Macdonald, who was living in an apartment at Ta Cenc, consented to be extradited this morning before Magistrate Audrey Demicoli.

He was arrested by the Malta police in the whereabouts of Sannat yesterday.

Roderick Macdonald – who also used the surname Robinson – is also wanted by UK police who believe he can shed light on a paedophile ring possibly linked to the abduction of Madeleine McCann, according to UK tabloid newspapers Daily Mail and the Mirror.

Madeleine McCann has been missing since May 2007. She disappeared during a family holiday in Portugal as her parents Kate and Gerry were eating in a near-by restaurant

The Mirror reported that Mr Macdonald was in Algarve when the three-year-old vanished in 2007.Scotland Yard detectives chasing new leads in Praia da Luz where Madeleine went missing wanted to quiz him about paedophile rings in the area in 2007.

Police were ­investigating 18 possible linked break-ins at Algarve villas by a lone intruder from 2004 to 2010.The attacks stopped in 2010, at around the time Robinson was deported from Portugal to Australia for raping an eight-year-old girl there, the Mirror reported in May.

Within weeks of his release the former oil rig worker fled to Thailand but three months later he was deported back to Britain after Thai authorities found out about his past.

He moved to south coast resort Brighton where he was made to sign the sex offenders register but in 2012 he was given a suspended prison sentence in 2012 for abusing five- and seven-year-old girls in Brighton who bore a resemblance to Madeleine, the Mirror reported.

Mr Macdonald appeared in court in Malta this morning under arrest on the strength of a provisional arrest warrant issued by the courts after the UK judicial authorities requested his extradition "to serve a term of imprisonment of sexual assault of a female under 13 years of age".

A European Arrest Warrant had been issued against him on April 25, 2013, by the Lewes Crown Court in East Sussex

Police Inspector Mario Cuschieri prosecuted.
http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20141014/local/update-2-76-year-old-briton-to-be-extradited-possibly-linked-to-mccann-case.539720


As an aside........the underlined bit seems strange............I mean...........a "suspended sentence" for abusing 5 and 7 year old girls?

.......with his history and having already been made to sign the sex offenders` register it seems a tad unlikely?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 15, 2014, 11:24:47 AM
I'm sure they would have wanted to go over it all again. That's what they seem to have done with everything so far. Certainly no genuinely new leads that we know about, merely things that seem to go nowhere.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on October 15, 2014, 11:26:31 AM
this looks like an attempt to falsely discredit the FSS...do you have the source for this statement

The statement is not mine. I lifted it from Wikipedia under Forensic Science Service "Function" section.
The Judge at Sean Hoey's trial was also critical of FSS.
No attempt to discredit just quoting facts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 15, 2014, 11:28:56 AM
I'm sure they would have wanted to go over it all again. That's what they seem to have done with everything so far. Certainly no genuinely new leads that we know about, merely things that seem to go nowhere.
  Let's wait and see and reserve judgement until the conclusion of the investigation, I'm sure that's not too much to ask.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 15, 2014, 11:34:35 AM
  Let's wait and see and reserve judgement until the conclusion of the investigation, I'm sure that's not too much to ask.

Which is more or less what I said to begin with - when the detectives demonstrate a connection .........
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 15, 2014, 12:33:13 PM
Best ask the Met that question but I know what I believe to be the truth.
If you believe that the Met feels thwarted by the McCanns and their friends in an effort to solve this case then why have they not compelled them to take part in a reconstruction?  According to some all it would take to solve this case is for a reconstruction to take place so why have the Met not made this their top priority?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 15, 2014, 12:42:26 PM
14.10
British inspectors, who arrived at the PJ in Faro at 10.00, have been preparing new interrogations of suspects under the Maddie case, in July after having interrogated four defendants and a dozen witnesses.

In August, British police handed the fifth letter of request to the Portuguese authorities to conduct further investigations, which have not been authorized by the new attorney of the Public Ministry of Portimão.
Madeleine McCann disappeared in 2007
 In early June, British agents forensics, PJ and GNR performed several searches with dogs at the viewpoint of Praia da Luz and land at the entrance to the tourist resort of Aldeia da Luz.


Altogether, we investigated an area of ​​about 60 thousand square meters, including electricity and gas, sewage pipelines and buildings in ruins, with the help of sniffer dogs and georradares, searches have proved fruitless.


Madeleine McCann disappeared just days before four years, May 3, 2007, the room where he slept with both, younger, in an apartment of a tourist resort in Praia da Luz in the Algarve twin brothers.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/maddie_policia_britanica_reuniu_com_pj_em_faro.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 15, 2014, 12:50:58 PM


14/10/2014   20:50Maddie:
British Police meets with Forensic Medicine in Coimbra
Encounter between Scotland Yard and elements of the Judicial Police is held Wednesday.


A team of British police will meet on Wednesday, in Coimbra, with researchers from the Institute of Forensic Medicine, for "technical procedures" under the Madeleine McCann case, said on Tuesday a police source.


The meeting takes place at 10:00 am on the premises of the National Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences (INMLCF) involving elements of this institution, of Scotland Yard, the Judicial Police (PJ) and the Laboratory of Forensic Science of PJ.


According to the same source, the meeting is intended "to technical procedures on tests done" in 2007, following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in the Algarve, a few days before the English child to four years.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/cm_ao_minuto/detalhe/maddie_policia_britanica_reune_se_quarta_feira_com_medicina_legal_em_coimbra.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 15, 2014, 10:38:37 PM

I just popped into the 'Yeremi Vargas' thread. If you go to the Mr Moderator thread 3rd down>click on that-scroll down to the third picture. Does anyone else see the shocking resemblance to the guy in the blue cap and Gerry McCann (well a much older looking GM).

It is actually weird!

Sorry went off topic I just found it interesting.

Anyone know anything about the search yet?  or have SY been chasing the trolls?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on October 16, 2014, 10:43:45 PM
Neither the files nor the DVD should ever have been put on the internet, in accordance with Portuguese secrecy laws. Quite why the authorities chose to take no action is anybody's guess.......

Misty is dead right there.

There is a very angry letter in the files from solicitors on behalf of the British police protesting vehemently against wholesale release of information.

Leicester police drew up a schedule of what information should be released and when.

And the lame excuse in response that it was a Portuguese-run investigation on Portuguese soil simply won't do.

UK police made it a condition of their willingness to participate in the investigation that Portuguese police would abide by British procedures and protocols in release of information.

That agreement was, apparently, reached then trampled over rough-shod ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on October 16, 2014, 10:53:01 PM
Neither the files nor the DVD should ever have been put on the internet, in accordance with Portuguese secrecy laws. Quite why the authorities chose to take no action is anybody's guess.......

That isn't quite right.

By Portuguese law, the veil secrecy is lifted once the process is archived.

The objection to release of the files was on the British side, not the Portuguese ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2014, 08:00:46 PM
Three women who could solve riddle of Maddie’s disappearance

THREE women are the key players in determining whether Scotland Yard's costly Madeleine McCann investigation will succeed or fail.

By: James Murray in Portimao
Published: Sat, October 18, 2014

The trio hold top positions in the Portuguese judiciary and police and all have privately vowed to do everything in their powers to discover the fate of Madeleine and bring those responsible to justice.

For the first time in years all the vital departments are working in tandem, which is a major relief to Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who heads the Yard's Operation Grange team trying to solve the seven-year riddle.

Ines Sequeira, the chief state prosecutor covering Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished in May 2007, and the one with the most power, has given the case priority status.

The 49-year-old mother of four high flier is a breath of fresh air in the department.

She has instructed her team to let nothing stand in the way of bring a successful conclusion to the investigations.

She is based in a huge office in the grand marble-clad court house in Portimao, a large coastal town some 12 miles from Luz on the Algarve.

It will be she who decides on whether to prosecute or not.

Slim and stylishly dressed Ms Sequeira trained in Lisbon, where she is believed to have met her husband, now a judge.

She was the main prosecutor in the town of Silves, 10 miles from Portimao for years, working on robberies, murders, sex offences and assaults.

A colleague said: "She quickly built up a very good reputation in Silves, particularly with her work on homicides.

"She is very precise and demands high standards.

"She can see mistakes before others realise their significance and weeds them out.

"No one was surprised she won promotion.

"She likes to work away from the spotlight, quietly and methodically in her office."

She works with Ana Paulo Rito, the criminal co-ordinator of the Policia Judiciaria in Portimao, the role once taken by Goncalo Amaral, who is now locked in a libel action with Kate and Gerry McCann over his claims that Madeleine died in apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.

A legal source said: "Both women are clear thinking, driven, hard-working and utterly determined to do whatever they can to solve the case.

"They have brought fresh minds to the case and have similar character traits with no big egos and a quiet and efficient work ethic.

"They are both ambitious and career minded and they want results without cutting any corners.

"Both are quite new in their positions and they want to prove themselves and bring pride to their departments."

The third woman is Ms Helen Monteiro, who leads the Portuguese detectives' review of the case in Porto in the north of the country.

Work by her team has greatly helped the Yard in their efforts to finally solve Madeleine's disappearance.

Three Algarve men have been given arguido or suspect status and the Yard wants to speak to them further.

Last week there was clear evidence of the new spirit of cooperation with an unprecedented meeting about potentially case breaking DNA material from the flat where Madeleine McCann was taken.

Hairs found inside the apartment have not been matched to any of the people who were known to have entered the property before or after Madeleine vanished aged nearly four in May 2007.

So now they are set to be examined in Britain or Portugal in the coming months.

Francisco Brizida, Portugal's leading expert in forensic science, last week told Yard officers that curtain fabric, potentially harbouring DNA samples, is also available for testing.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524393/Three-women-solve-riddle-Maddie-s-disappearance?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed%29
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 18, 2014, 08:44:56 PM
I was under the impression that the files were only available for viewing, wherever stored, by journalists & suchlike. Only making notes is permitted, not copying documents.

I thought the whole DVDs were made available, though I don't suppose the Portuguese expected such interest in the material.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on October 18, 2014, 09:00:02 PM
Three women who could solve riddle of Maddie’s disappearance

THREE women are the key players in determining whether Scotland Yard's costly Madeleine McCann investigation will succeed or fail.

By: James Murray in Portimao
Published: Sat, October 18, 2014

The trio hold top positions in the Portuguese judiciary and police and all have privately vowed to do everything in their powers to discover the fate of Madeleine and bring those responsible to justice.

For the first time in years all the vital departments are working in tandem, which is a major relief to Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who heads the Yard's Operation Grange team trying to solve the seven-year riddle.

Ines Sequeira, the chief state prosecutor covering Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished in May 2007, and the one with the most power, has given the case priority status.

The 49-year-old mother of four high flier is a breath of fresh air in the department.

She has instructed her team to let nothing stand in the way of bring a successful conclusion to the investigations.

She is based in a huge office in the grand marble-clad court house in Portimao, a large coastal town some 12 miles from Luz on the Algarve.

It will be she who decides on whether to prosecute or not.

Slim and stylishly dressed Ms Sequeira trained in Lisbon, where she is believed to have met her husband, now a judge.

She was the main prosecutor in the town of Silves, 10 miles from Portimao for years, working on robberies, murders, sex offences and assaults.

A colleague said: "She quickly built up a very good reputation in Silves, particularly with her work on homicides.

"She is very precise and demands high standards.

"She can see mistakes before others realise their significance and weeds them out.

"No one was surprised she won promotion.

"She likes to work away from the spotlight, quietly and methodically in her office."

She works with Ana Paulo Rito, the criminal co-ordinator of the Policia Judiciaria in Portimao, the role once taken by Goncalo Amaral, who is now locked in a libel action with Kate and Gerry McCann over his claims that Madeleine died in apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.

A legal source said: "Both women are clear thinking, driven, hard-working and utterly determined to do whatever they can to solve the case.

"They have brought fresh minds to the case and have similar character traits with no big egos and a quiet and efficient work ethic.

"They are both ambitious and career minded and they want results without cutting any corners.

"Both are quite new in their positions and they want to prove themselves and bring pride to their departments."

The third woman is Ms Helen Monteiro, who leads the Portuguese detectives' review of the case in Porto in the north of the country.

Work by her team has greatly helped the Yard in their efforts to finally solve Madeleine's disappearance.

Three Algarve men have been given arguido or suspect status and the Yard wants to speak to them further.

Last week there was clear evidence of the new spirit of cooperation with an unprecedented meeting about potentially case breaking DNA material from the flat where Madeleine McCann was taken.

Hairs found inside the apartment have not been matched to any of the people who were known to have entered the property before or after Madeleine vanished aged nearly four in May 2007.

So now they are set to be examined in Britain or Portugal in the coming months.

Francisco Brizida, Portugal's leading expert in forensic science, last week told Yard officers that curtain fabric, potentially harbouring DNA samples, is also available for testing.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524393/Three-women-solve-riddle-Maddie-s-disappearance?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed%29

Thanks Brietta. An upbeat article for a change.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on October 18, 2014, 09:21:53 PM
Thanks Brietta. An upbeat article for a change.

Hopefully we will see some real "Girl Power" in action.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on October 20, 2014, 03:17:48 AM
Three women who could solve riddle of Maddie’s disappearance

THREE women are the key players in determining whether Scotland Yard's costly Madeleine McCann investigation will succeed or fail.

By: James Murray in Portimao
Published: Sat, October 18, 2014

The trio hold top positions in the Portuguese judiciary and police and all have privately vowed to do everything in their powers to discover the fate of Madeleine and bring those responsible to justice.

For the first time in years all the vital departments are working in tandem, which is a major relief to Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, who heads the Yard's Operation Grange team trying to solve the seven-year riddle.

Ines Sequeira, the chief state prosecutor covering Praia da Luz where Madeleine vanished in May 2007, and the one with the most power, has given the case priority status.

The 49-year-old mother of four high flier is a breath of fresh air in the department.

She has instructed her team to let nothing stand in the way of bring a successful conclusion to the investigations.

She is based in a huge office in the grand marble-clad court house in Portimao, a large coastal town some 12 miles from Luz on the Algarve.

It will be she who decides on whether to prosecute or not.

Slim and stylishly dressed Ms Sequeira trained in Lisbon, where she is believed to have met her husband, now a judge.

She was the main prosecutor in the town of Silves, 10 miles from Portimao for years, working on robberies, murders, sex offences and assaults.

A colleague said: "She quickly built up a very good reputation in Silves, particularly with her work on homicides.

"She is very precise and demands high standards.

"She can see mistakes before others realise their significance and weeds them out.

"No one was surprised she won promotion.

"She likes to work away from the spotlight, quietly and methodically in her office."

She works with Ana Paulo Rito, the criminal co-ordinator of the Policia Judiciaria in Portimao, the role once taken by Goncalo Amaral, who is now locked in a libel action with Kate and Gerry McCann over his claims that Madeleine died in apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.

A legal source said: "Both women are clear thinking, driven, hard-working and utterly determined to do whatever they can to solve the case.

"They have brought fresh minds to the case and have similar character traits with no big egos and a quiet and efficient work ethic.

"They are both ambitious and career minded and they want results without cutting any corners.

"Both are quite new in their positions and they want to prove themselves and bring pride to their departments."

The third woman is Ms Helen Monteiro, who leads the Portuguese detectives' review of the case in Porto in the north of the country.

Work by her team has greatly helped the Yard in their efforts to finally solve Madeleine's disappearance.

Three Algarve men have been given arguido or suspect status and the Yard wants to speak to them further.

Last week there was clear evidence of the new spirit of cooperation with an unprecedented meeting about potentially case breaking DNA material from the flat where Madeleine McCann was taken.

Hairs found inside the apartment have not been matched to any of the people who were known to have entered the property before or after Madeleine vanished aged nearly four in May 2007.

So now they are set to be examined in Britain or Portugal in the coming months.

Francisco Brizida, Portugal's leading expert in forensic science, last week told Yard officers that curtain fabric, potentially harbouring DNA samples, is also available for testing.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/524393/Three-women-solve-riddle-Maddie-s-disappearance?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed%29

The curtain?
What about the blind pulling cord? I hoped they took that off too.. They should have done that on the day1. They had a chance to know who pulled that blind up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 27, 2014, 10:27:42 AM

This is a Thread on The Latest News on The Search for Madeleine.

You have been asked before, so please stick to The Topic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 28, 2014, 08:36:00 PM
28/10/2014 15:24
Maddie: 444 by DNA was subjected to analysis
In 2007, the partial 25 samples of blood and saliva tests were performed.

By Rui Gomes Pando
Experts from the National Institute of Legal Medicine (INML) analyzed the 444 that were collected by the Judicial Police in following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann months in 2007, in Praia da Luz, Lagos. When the CM was found, were still subject to forensic testing 25 samples of blood and saliva and three other traces found in the room from where the child disappeared and the boot of a car. These are some traces that Scotland Yard now wants to bring England to analyze again, a British private laboratory.

English as the CM reported yesterday, still want to re-do tests to a curtained room where Maddie slept, which was targeted by the skill INML in 2007, and where nothing relevant was found. The collection of the remains was made in homes, cars and sofas by experts of the Laboratory of Forensic Science of PJ. Among the remnants are still samples of hair and saliva of several people who were deemed relevant to the investigation. In the list of the 444 subject to testing, are 432 human and 12 nonhuman, 98 had no correspondence with any DNA profile and 19 partial results were obtained. The request for a review will be part of the remains of a 6th letter rogatory. This despite the new prosecutor for the Public Ministry of Portimão, Agnes Sequeira, the decision does not already exist for the 5th letter, sent by the British to Portugal.

http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/adn_de_444_pelos_foi_alvo_de_analise.html

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-10/img_757x426$2014_10_27_23_30_01_414144.jpg)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on October 29, 2014, 10:59:19 AM
Madeleine McCann: Untested human hairs provide new hope in police hunt for DNA clues

BRITISH detectives probing the Madeleine McCann disappearance in Portugal want to retest hairs after it was found previous DNA tests carried out during the original investigation were incomplete.

(http://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/page/express_logo_poppy.png)
By: Gerard Couzens Published: Wed, October 29, 2014

Nearly 100 strands of hair tested during the original Madeleine McCann investigation were never DNA-matched, it emerged today.

Portuguese forensic experts analysed 444 hair strands they believed could hold the key to the youngster’s May 3 2007 disappearance.

They found 432 were human and 12 non-human. They were unable to DNA-match 98 of them and only obtained partial results from 19 of them, Portuguese daily Correio da Manha reported.

MADELEINE MCCANN: THE SEARCH CONTINUES

British detectives probing Madeleine McCann’s disappearance want to retest some of the hairs as well as curtains hanging in the Algarve apartment where she vanished.

Scotland Yard are expected to apply for permission in a sixth international letter of request to take the samples from a Portuguese lab so experts can look at them in the UK.

The fifth letter, understood to contain a request to reinterview three new suspects quizzed in the summer, has yet to be answered by new Madeleine McCann prosecutor Ines Sequeira.

A Met Police team led by DCI Andy Redwood announced their wish to look again at forensic material collected in the early days of the Madeleine McCann investigation during a visit to the university town of Coimbra earlier this month.

They met with the bosses of Portugal’s Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences in Coimbra, two hours drive north of Lisbon, where most of the material, also said to include 25 blood and saliva samples, is held.

Institute president Francisco Brizida, said afterwards: “I have the certainty they went away very happy.”

“The tonic of the meeting was about the possibility of the tests on samples collected in 2007 being re-done.

“The British police wanted clarification on the examinations the institute had carried out during the early stages of the inquiry in the areas of genetics and biology.

“We talked about non-identified material that was collected in Madeleine’s apartment.

“I can’t say for sure new DNA tests that didn’t yield a conclusive result in 2007 could now yield an objective result.

“But technology nowadays allows us to go further than years ago in areas like genetic markers.

“Several possibilities are open. One could be that British police do the tests in Britain with British technology and another that the institute does them.

“But that’s an area in which the institute does not have the last word. There’s a situation of judicial cooperation and a new international letter of request would be necessary.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/528865/Madeleine-McCann-human-hairs-hunt-Portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on October 29, 2014, 11:26:26 AM
I wonder how many different people this represented and who they actually managed to identify?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on October 29, 2014, 12:01:04 PM
I wonder how many different people this represented and who they actually managed to identify?

In 5A - Of the 100+ hairs in 5A, 1 hair was positively identified via nuclear DNA. That's it. The other hairs corresponding to the haplotypes of mtDNA testing don't identify any specific individual, only that the haplotypes of individuals known to have been in 5A happened to share the same ones... and that therefore it could correspond to them.

Aside from possible corresponding haplotype matches in 5A (which is rather vague), there are numerous ones that none of the reference samples appear to correspond to. Some could well belong to previous occupants, as not all of these appear to have been checked - few in fact.

However, if a nuclear DNA could be established as that of someone who had no reason to have been there... then that might take the puzzle a step ahead.

A nuclear DNA result from the bedcover stain was not semen as originally thought, but the saliva from the male baby of previous occupants.

A partial result from a DNA result in the living-room wall area was most likely one of the cops (but that was months later).

That seems to be basicly it from 5A.

There is one detail that I'd need to double-check that I'd found intriguing, but had dismissed as irrelevant.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on October 30, 2014, 01:06:50 AM
(http://i.imgur.com/B6budHk.png?1)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 04, 2014, 11:59:47 AM
4 November 2014

Maddie Case: 10 witnesses to be questioned within the scope of the English investigation

by Marisa Rodrigues

New witnesses of the English investigation to Madeleine McCann's disappearance are going to be questioned at the request of Scotland Yard (SY). The fifth letter rogatory is already in the hands of the Judiciary Police (PJ), who will now have to schedule the questionings.

The new Public Ministry prosecutor, to whom the Maddie process was recently attributed, authorized the questionings and forwarded the letter to the South PJ Directory, in Faro, so they can be carried out. JN was able to establish that there are about ten witnesses and that all of them are going to be questioned for the first time within the scope of the English investigation. Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

Even though the English police has expressed their interest in questioning again the four men constituted as arguidos [formal suspects], that had been questioned back in July, the English ended up leaving them out of this letter rogatory, which arrived to the Public Ministry in August. These new investigative steps should take place in the very same manner as it happened three months ago, with a notice for the witnesses to appear at the PJ headquarters. When the date is set, Scotland Yard may then request to the National PJ Directory to be present, without being able to intervene, just as before.

Last time they were in Portugal, on the 14th October, the English police expressed their desire to make a new letter rogatory (the sixth) requesting for the re-analyses of the samples that had been collected in the apartment from where Madeleine disappeared, namely hair samples and the fabric belonging to a curtain.

In a meeting at the National Institute of Forensic Medicine (INML), in Coimbra, which gathered detectives and forensic experts, Andy Redwood's team also spoke about the possibility that some of the samples could be taken to England and analysed in a private lab. Until the end of the afternoon, yesterday, no request had been made in that sense to the Public Ministry of Portimão, whose role is to assess and decide on the letters rogatory.

in Jornal de Notícias, paper edition, November 4, 2014

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2014/11/maddie-case-10-witnesses-to-be.html?m=1
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 05, 2014, 03:22:47 PM
Taken from Joana Morais blog

New Prosecutor in Portimão authorized the investigative steps requested by the English Police

by Rui Pando Gomes

Some of the people who are going to be questioned by the Judiciary Police (PJ) soon, at the request of the English police who are investigating Madeleine McCann's disappearance, are going to be interrogated under an arguido [formal suspect] status. The new investigative steps were authorized by the new Prosecutor at the Public Ministry (MP) of Portimão, Inês Sequeira, and are set out in the fifth letter rogatory that was sent by the British authorities to Portugal.

In the interrogatories list, CM was able to establish, are about ten people, Portuguese and British. Most of them will be questioned as witnesses, but some will be constituted as arguidos before the questioning takes place. All of them are going to be heard formally for the first time after the MP Prosecutor gave the go ahead.

The questionings will be carried out by officers from the PJ of Faro, who are cooperating with the British authorities, and these should take place until the end of the current month. The English detectives are going to be able to suggest questions in advance, but they still have to ask for permission to be able to assist to the questionings.

Among the new Scotland Yard suspects, CM found out, are former Ocean Club workers, the resort from where the child disappeared in May 2007, and also residents of Praia da Luz, in Lagos. These are people the British detectives consider suspects of being involved in Maddie's disappearance, following the thesis that the child was abducted during a botched break-in.

These new suspects are only going to be constituted as arguidos in the inquest opened in the United Kingdom and will join the four other arguidos that were already questioned back in July, also within the scope of judicial cooperation. At the time, eleven witnesses were also questioned.

in Correio da Manhã. Nov. 5 2014
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 05, 2014, 06:57:20 PM
Nov 4

The new Public Ministry prosecutor, to whom the Maddie process was recently attributed, authorized the questionings and forwarded the letter to the South PJ Directory, in Faro, so they can be carried out. JN was able to establish that there are about ten witnesses and that all of them are going to be questioned for the first time within the scope of the English investigation. Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.



Nov 5:
In the interrogatories list, CM was able to establish, are about ten people, Portuguese and British. Most of them will be questioned as witnesses, but some will be constituted as arguidos before the questioning takes place. All of them are going to be heard formally for the first time after the MP Prosecutor gave the go ahead.



So some of these people were asked informally if they knew anything relevant, but had not been formally interviewed before?


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 05, 2014, 09:17:41 PM
Nov 4

The new Public Ministry prosecutor, to whom the Maddie process was recently attributed, authorized the questionings and forwarded the letter to the South PJ Directory, in Faro, so they can be carried out. JN was able to establish that there are about ten witnesses and that all of them are going to be questioned for the first time within the scope of the English investigation. Some of them are, however, already known to the Portuguese investigation and they had nothing relevant to say regarding the English child who disappeared seven years ago in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.



Nov 5:
In the interrogatories list, CM was able to establish, are about ten people, Portuguese and British. Most of them will be questioned as witnesses, but some will be constituted as arguidos before the questioning takes place. All of them are going to be heard formally for the first time after the MP Prosecutor gave the go ahead.



So some of these people were asked informally if they knew anything relevant, but had not been formally interviewed before?

This makes me very curious. I remember reading the OC worker's statements first thing when the files were released and coming back to them, and again and again and I always had a feeling the answer lies in there..

I cannot wait for the reports on who these people are and whether it has anything to do with who parked their car  in where the GNR dogs lost their trails.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 05, 2014, 09:30:43 PM
This makes me very curious. I remember reading the OC worker's statements first thing when the files were released and coming back to them, and again and again and I always had a feeling the answer lies in there..

I cannot wait for the reports on who these people are and whether it has anything to do with who parked their car  in where the GNR dogs lost their trails.

It might be.

On the whole, I dislike the press insinuation that anyone they want to question is necessarily really suspect, even if they do end up with arguido status. The Met could simply be interviewing some of the people to get more detailed information, either about them, or any details they may know, which may be routine work.

I've no idea whether Jenny Murat might be one, for example. She ran a stall to try to help, but doesn't appear to have ever been interviewed.

ETA. Correction, yes, she was, but mainly about Robert.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 05, 2014, 10:19:38 PM
It might be.

On the whole, I dislike the press insinuation that anyone they want to question is necessarily really suspect, even if they do end up with arguido status. The Met could simply be interviewing some of the people to get more detailed information, either about them, or any details they may know, which may be routine work.

I've no idea whether Jenny Murat might be one, for example. She ran a stall to try to help, but doesn't appear to have ever been interviewed.


ETA. Correction, yes, she was, but mainly about Robert.
« Last Edit: Today at 10:33:15 PM by Carana »


There is nothing in the files which indicates if any of the information which was given to her was passed either to Leicestershire constabulary to be passed on to the PJ or to the PJ direct.

Did anyone speak to her at the time?
Did she keep a record?

It is possible that SY want to interview her, solely as a witness, if she was at one time in possession of statements made to her.  Or even just to clarify if anyone did come to her stall to make a statement or not. 

I don’t think she will be a witness.

It is perfectly possible that the ten to be interviewed will be to enable SY to tie up loose ends or to clarify a situation.   
It is a pity what are probably routine interviews which would probably have taken place in a front room in Britain, are by necessity taking place in the full glare of the media spotlight.

I think SY have a goal in sight and these interviews are just milestones on the way to building a case. 

Edit to add she was interviewed ... also amended Carana's post to include her edit
 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 05, 2014, 10:34:17 PM
There is nothing in the files which indicates if any of the information which was given to her was passed either to Leicestershire constabulary to be passed on to the PJ or to the PJ direct.

Did anyone speak to her at the time?
Did she keep a record?

It is possible that SY want to interview her, solely as a witness, if she was at one time in possession of statements made to her.  Or even just to clarify if anyone did come to her stall to make a statement or not. 

I don’t think she will be a witness.

It is perfectly possible that the ten to be interviewed will be to enable SY to tie up loose ends or to clarify a situation.   
It is a pity what are probably routine interviews which would probably have taken place in a front room in Britain, are by necessity taking place in the full glare of the media spotlight.

I think SY have a goal in sight and these interviews are just milestones on the way to building a case.

I just corrected my post. She was interviewed, but mainly about Robert.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 05, 2014, 10:37:21 PM
I just corrected my post. She was interviewed, but mainly about Robert.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JENNIFER-MURAT.htm

That is one of the strangest non-interviews I have ever read.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 05, 2014, 11:15:48 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-cuts-4576868

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: carlymichelle on November 06, 2014, 02:35:23 AM
Madeleine McCann: Scotland Yard cuts number of detectives working on the case

Irish Mirror 
Nov 05, 2014
By Tom Pettifor, Gerard Couzins

The force has withdrawn six officers from the Algarve, suggesting that British police have begun scaling back the search after spending £7.3million.

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4574899.ece/alternates/s615/MADDIEMAIN.jpg)

Missing: Madeleine disappeared seven-and-a-half years ago

Scotland Yard has scaled back the number of detectives working on the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

The force has removed six officers despite enquiries in Portugal intensifying - with the team making an average of over a flight a week to the Algarve so far this year.

Two detective sergeants and four detective constables have been lost over the past year, new police figures reveal. It reduces the total number of detectives working on the case from 29 to 23.

At the same time six civilian staff have been brought in, meaning the overall number of British staff and police working on the case, codenamed Operation Grange, remains at 37.

Scotland Yard insists “staff numbers are open to change depending on the needs of the review”.

But the reduction could be seen as a sign that British police have begun scaling back the search after spending three and a half years and £7.3million examining the case.

The new figures were revealed after it was claimed the team are preparing to question a number of new suspects.

Newly installed Portuguese prosecutor Ines Sequeira paved the way for detectives to visit the Algarve by approving a fifth international letter of request last week.

Madeleine McCann police begin to search a patch of scrubland just outside of the small town as the search for clues enters a second week VIEW GALLERY
 

It was first thought the 10 people named in the request would be questioned as witnesses only.

But Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha reported yesterday that some would be heard as “arguidos” or suspects because the Operation Grange detectives suspect they may have been involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.

They are said to include ex-workers at the Ocean Club holiday complex where the youngster vanished on May 3 2007 as well as locals living in the resort of Praia da Luz.

And the new list drawn up by British detectives as part of their painstaking investigation is thought to include British as well as Portuguese nationals.

None of the people on the list - who are due to receive police summons in the next few days to attend interviews at Faro’s PJ police station - have been questioned before by British officers, it is claimed.

Correio da Manha reported: “The majority are going to be heard as witnesses, but some will be made arguidos before the questioning takes place.

“They are all going to be questioned formally for the first time since the public prosecutor gave the green light for the quizzes to take place.”

(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article4507084.ece/alternates/s615/Madeleine-McCann.jpg)

Crime scene: The room from which Madeleine McCann was snatched in Praia de Luz
 

It added: “There are around 10 people on the list, British and Portuguese nationals.

“Among the new Scotland Yard suspects are ex-Ocean Club workers and Praia da Luz residents.

“They’re people the British investigators suspect were involved in Madeleine’s disappearance.”

The interviews, the first since four suspects and 11 witnesses were questioned at the start of July, are due to take place before the end of the month.

British police are now in the process of formally asking for permission to sit in on the interviews, which will be led by Portuguese officers who will ask questions on their behalf.

The Operation Grange team last visited Portugal three weeks ago.

A small team including DCI Andy Redwood, who is heading Operation Grange, met Policia Judiciaria bosses in Faro for an update meeting before travelling to the university city of Coimbra a five hour drive north to visit a lab where many of the DNA samples collected after Madeleine’s disappearance are held.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from the family’s holiday apartment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 06, 2014, 10:55:57 AM
August 15, 2014

Met chief vows no let-up in search for Madeleine

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said:

"The investigation is still ongoing and we will not be reducing the team."........

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/499453/Met-chief-let-up-search-Madeleine


Nov 05, 2014

Madeleine McCann: Scotland Yard cuts number of detectives working on the case

Scotland Yard has scaled back the number of detectives working on the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

The force has removed six officers despite enquiries in Portugal intensifying - with the team making an average of over a flight a week to the Algarve so far this year.

Two detective sergeants and four detective constables have been lost over the past year, new police figures reveal. It reduces the total number of detectives working on the case from 29 to 23.

At the same time six civilian staff have been brought in, meaning the overall number of British staff and police working on the case, codenamed Operation Grange, remains at 37.

Scotland Yard insists “staff numbers are open to change depending on the needs of the review”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-cuts-4576868

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2822992/British-police-reduce-number-detectives-investigating-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-Portugal-team-prepare-question-new-witnesses.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 06, 2014, 11:50:49 AM
August 15, 2014

Met chief vows no let-up in search for Madeleine

Metropolitan Police Commissioner Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe said:

"The investigation is still ongoing and we will not be reducing the team."........

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/499453/Met-chief-let-up-search-Madeleine


Nov 05, 2014

Madeleine McCann: Scotland Yard cuts number of detectives working on the case

Scotland Yard has scaled back the number of detectives working on the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

The force has removed six officers despite enquiries in Portugal intensifying - with the team making an average of over a flight a week to the Algarve so far this year.

Two detective sergeants and four detective constables have been lost over the past year, new police figures reveal. It reduces the total number of detectives working on the case from 29 to 23.

At the same time six civilian staff have been brought in, meaning the overall number of British staff and police working on the case, codenamed Operation Grange, remains at 37.

Scotland Yard insists “staff numbers are open to change depending on the needs of the review”.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-scotland-yard-cuts-4576868

Sounds like SY have solved it.  Detectives out and ? Lawyers/ linguists in.

Team still the same size.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 06, 2014, 12:05:54 PM
Sounds like SY have solved it.  Detectives out and ? Lawyers/ linguists in.

Team still the same size.

And remember the forensics team is now in..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 06, 2014, 12:13:32 PM
And remember the forensics team is now in..
Yep, forensics, Lawyers and linguists.  Any others?


I think they have cracked it.

But it might take time to get to the next stage .... we must be patient


OMO, of course, but signs appear to be there




And IMO the extradition of a man from Gozo was very important.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 06, 2014, 02:04:46 PM
There is nothing in the files which indicates if any of the information which was given to her was passed either to Leicestershire constabulary to be passed on to the PJ or to the PJ direct.

Did anyone speak to her at the time?
Did she keep a record?

It is possible that SY want to interview her, solely as a witness, if she was at one time in possession of statements made to her.  Or even just to clarify if anyone did come to her stall to make a statement or not. 

I don’t think she will be a witness.

It is perfectly possible that the ten to be interviewed will be to enable SY to tie up loose ends or to clarify a situation.   
It is a pity what are probably routine interviews which would probably have taken place in a front room in Britain, are by necessity taking place in the full glare of the media spotlight.

I think SY have a goal in sight and these interviews are just milestones on the way to building a case. 

Edit to add she was interviewed ... also amended Carana's post to include her edit

Many thanks, Brietta, for taking the time to add the correction to my original post.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 06, 2014, 02:05:25 PM
Correio da Manhã asks, "Is the Maddie case nearing its end?"


Maddie case with more interrogations and new arguidos

New prosecutor in Portimao authorized the steps requested by British police.

Correio da Manhã
by Rui Gomes Pando
5 Nov 2014

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-11/img_757x426$2014_11_05_00_43_23_415698.jpg)

Some of the people who will be interviewed by the Judicial Police (PJ) soon at the request of British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will be heard as 'arguidos' or official suspects, reports the CM. New steps have been authorized by the new attorney from the Public Prosecutor's Office (MP) of Portimão, Agnes Sequeira, and include the fifth rogatory letter sent by the British authorities to Portugal.

The CM has found a list of about ten people and are both Portuguese and British. Most will be heard as witnesses but some have been made ​​defendants before the interrogation takes place. They will all be formally interviewed having been given the green light by the first magistrate of the MP. The inquiries will be carried out by elements of the PJ in Faro, who are collaborating with the British authorities, and should happen by the end of this month. British investigatoirs will be able to suggest questions in advance, but still have to ask permission to attend the interrogations.

The CM found that among those suspected by Scotland Yard are former employees of the Ocean Club, a place where the child disappeared in May 2007, and residents of Praia da Luz, Lagos. British investigators suspect these people of involvement in the disappearance of Maddie, following the theory that the child was abducted during a failed robbery.

These new suspects will be made ​​arguidos only in respect of the suit filed in the UK and will join - to the four arguidos already questioned in June, also in the context of a request for judicial cooperation. At the time, eleven special witnesses were also heard.

www.translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/mais_interrogatorios_com_novos_arguidos.html&prev=search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 07, 2014, 03:39:58 PM

Just mainly what the press has already reported, but seems to confirm that British Nationals will be questioned.


New persons of interest to be quizzed in Madeleine McCann investigation

by Carrie-Marie Bratley, in News · 06-11-2014 12:52:00 · 0 Comments

Scotland Yard detectives could return to Portugal before the end of this month to sit in on the questioning of several new persons of interest as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, after the incumbent Portimão Prosecutor authorised a fifth international Letter of Request.

A source close to the case told The Portugal News on Wednesday that a string of new persons of interest are lined up for questioning, which is expected to take place in the PJ’s Faro headquarters during the latter half of this month.
According to reports in the national press as many as ten new individuals could be in line for questioning; some of them will be heard as witnesses while others will be questioned in the capacity of arguidos, or formal suspects.
The new persons of interest are not believed to include the same four suspects who were interrogated back in July, but could be connected to them.
A number of British nationals resident in Portugal are also said to be among them.
Operation Grange officers will be allowed to sit in on the questioning providing they ask for permission beforehand.
The development comes after the new Public Prosecutor in Portimão, Inês Sequeira, gave the green light to a fifth international Letter of Request received from British authorities in August.
British girl Madeleine McCann went missing from an apartment in the Ocean Club resort, Praia da Luz in May 2007, then aged three.
http://theportugalnews.com/news/new-persons-of-interest-to-be-quizzed-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/33135
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 07, 2014, 04:34:01 PM
Just mainly what the press has already reported, but seems to confirm that British Nationals will be questioned.


New persons of interest to be quizzed in Madeleine McCann investigation

by Carrie-Marie Bratley, in News · 06-11-2014 12:52:00 · 0 Comments

Scotland Yard detectives could return to Portugal before the end of this month to sit in on the questioning of several new persons of interest as part of the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, after the incumbent Portimão Prosecutor authorised a fifth international Letter of Request.

A source close to the case told The Portugal News on Wednesday that a string of new persons of interest are lined up for questioning, which is expected to take place in the PJ’s Faro headquarters during the latter half of this month.
According to reports in the national press as many as ten new individuals could be in line for questioning; some of them will be heard as witnesses while others will be questioned in the capacity of arguidos, or formal suspects.
The new persons of interest are not believed to include the same four suspects who were interrogated back in July, but could be connected to them.
A number of British nationals resident in Portugal are also said to be among them.
Operation Grange officers will be allowed to sit in on the questioning providing they ask for permission beforehand.
The development comes after the new Public Prosecutor in Portimão, Inês Sequeira, gave the green light to a fifth international Letter of Request received from British authorities in August.
British girl Madeleine McCann went missing from an apartment in the Ocean Club resort, Praia da Luz in May 2007, then aged three.
http://theportugalnews.com/news/new-persons-of-interest-to-be-quizzed-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/33135

The new persons of interest are not believed to include the same four suspects who were interrogated back in July, but could be connected to them.
A number of British nationals resident in Portugal are also said to be among them.


British Nationals resident in Portugal
Fits exactly with my theories atm, same as the extradition of a man from Sannat in Gozo .... but my mans name aint Roderick Robinson.

I find Mistys research very interesting.    Wonder if he had a false passport .... and the man extradicted isn't Roderick R at all??
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 10:38:19 AM


Madeleine McCann investigators questioning Britons as new official suspects over the girl's disappearance in Portugal

The Britons are among seven people due to be questioned as 'arguidos'
 
The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine, then aged three, vanished from on May 3 2007, it was reported.

Some are said to have criminal records, reports Portuguse newspaper.

By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 09:48, 10 November 2014 | Updated: 09:53, 10 November 2014

Britons will be quizzed as new suspects over missing Madeleine McCann's disappearance, it was claimed today.

The British nationals are among a group of seven people due to be questioned as arguidos - a Portuguese legal term roughly translating as 'formal suspect' - leading Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias reported.
Four more will be interviewed as witnesses towards the end of the month at a police station in Faro

The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine, then aged three, vanished from on May 3 2007, know each other and made phone calls the night she disappeared, Jornal de Noticias said.

Some are also said to have criminal records and others are ex-workers of the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine, three at the time, was staying with her parents.

It is not known how many of the group of seven, which also includes Portuguese nationals, are British.
Neither was it clear last night if they continue to live in Praia da Luz or have now moved away from the town


The fact they are set to be questioned as arguidos show the Operation Grange officers probing Madeleine's disappearance are still focusing on the theory she was killed during a bungled break-in.

Three of the four suspects questioned at the start of July were quizzed because British police suspected they were involved in a burglary at apartment 5A where Madeleine was sleeping with her twin siblings Sean and Amelie, now nine.

At least one of the 11 people set to be quizzed later this month is thought to be a woman.

British police are now in the process of formally asking for permission to sit in on the interviews, which will be led by Portuguese officers who will ask questions on their behalf. The Operation Grange team last visited Portugal a month ago.


A small team of three officers including DCI Andy Redwood met Policia Judiciaria bosses in Faro for an update meeting before travelling to the university city of Coimbra a five hour drive north to visit a lab where many of the DNA samples collected after Madeleine's disappearance are held.

British police told bosses at Portugal's Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences they wanted to retest some of the samples to try to crack the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

They are yet to send a sixth international letter of request which mother-of-four Mrs Sequeira will have to authorise before Met Police forensics experts are allowed access to the lab or given permission to take samples to Britain to analyse them.

The forensic material includes hairs and pieces of the curtains that hung in apartment 5A.
It emerged late last month nearly 100 strands of hair tested during the original Madeleine McCann investigation were never DNA-matched.

The Operation Grange inquiry is running in parallel with a new Portuguese probe, reopened in May more than five years after being shelved.

Scotland Yard detectives dug up waste ground and inspected sewers in Praia da Luz in June in a grim search for her body.

One of the suspects questioned in July was a former Ocean Club worker and another a 51-year-old schizophrenic drug addict. They both denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer living in Portugal.

However they have still not formally ruled out the involvement of junkie burglar Euclides Monteiro, whose widow they questioned last year, despite the fact DNA tests have put him in the clear.

Last month it emerged the cost of the British police search for Madeleine will soon top £10million double the original amount estimated by the Home Office when the force was called in by David Cameron in 2011.
The Home Office has defending the rising cost of the probe, insisting: 'The Government believes it is right that it does all it can to support the search for Madeleine McCann.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2828316/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-questioning-Britons-new-official-suspects-girl-s-disappearance-Portugal.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 10:52:20 AM
'The fact they are set to be questioned as arguidos show the Operation Grange officers probing Madeleine's disappearance are still focusing on the theory she was killed during a bungled break-in.'

So confident are SY that Madeleine may still be alive.... that they are focusing on the theory that she ain't....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 10, 2014, 11:28:29 AM
'The fact they are set to be questioned as arguidos show the Operation Grange officers probing Madeleine's disappearance are still focusing on the theory she was killed during a bungled break-in.'

So confident are SY that Madeleine may still be alive.... that they are focusing on the theory that she ain't....

That's why the springer spaniels are back. Unreliable dogs? The yard clearly don't think so and new forensics are happening.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 11:44:44 AM
That's why the springer spaniels are back. Unreliable dogs? The yard clearly don't think so and new forensics are happening.

'There is absolutely nothing to suggest that Madeleine has been harmed'

Yeah right!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2014, 11:45:01 AM
That's why the springer spaniels are back. Unreliable dogs? The yard clearly don't think so and new forensics are happening.

It would certainly nice to think that they may lead somewhere, however unlikely that might be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 12:54:30 PM

Madeleine McCann investigators questioning Britons as new official suspects over the girl's disappearance in Portugal

The Britons are among seven people due to be questioned as 'arguidos'
 
The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine, then aged three, vanished from on May 3 2007, it was reported.

Some are said to have criminal records, reports Portuguse newspaper.

By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
Published: 09:48, 10 November 2014 | Updated: 09:53, 10 November 2014

Britons will be quizzed as new suspects over missing Madeleine McCann's disappearance, it was claimed today.

The British nationals are among a group of seven people due to be questioned as arguidos - a Portuguese legal term roughly translating as 'formal suspect' - leading Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias reported.
Four more will be interviewed as witnesses towards the end of the month at a police station in Faro

The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine, then aged three, vanished from on May 3 2007, know each other and made phone calls the night she disappeared, Jornal de Noticias said.

Some are also said to have criminal records and others are ex-workers of the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine, three at the time, was staying with her parents.

It is not known how many of the group of seven, which also includes Portuguese nationals, are British.
Neither was it clear last night if they continue to live in Praia da Luz or have now moved away from the town


The fact they are set to be questioned as arguidos show the Operation Grange officers probing Madeleine's disappearance are still focusing on the theory she was killed during a bungled break-in.

Three of the four suspects questioned at the start of July were quizzed because British police suspected they were involved in a burglary at apartment 5A where Madeleine was sleeping with her twin siblings Sean and Amelie, now nine.

At least one of the 11 people set to be quizzed later this month is thought to be a woman.

British police are now in the process of formally asking for permission to sit in on the interviews, which will be led by Portuguese officers who will ask questions on their behalf. The Operation Grange team last visited Portugal a month ago.


A small team of three officers including DCI Andy Redwood met Policia Judiciaria bosses in Faro for an update meeting before travelling to the university city of Coimbra a five hour drive north to visit a lab where many of the DNA samples collected after Madeleine's disappearance are held.

British police told bosses at Portugal's Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences they wanted to retest some of the samples to try to crack the mystery of Madeleine's disappearance.

They are yet to send a sixth international letter of request which mother-of-four Mrs Sequeira will have to authorise before Met Police forensics experts are allowed access to the lab or given permission to take samples to Britain to analyse them.

The forensic material includes hairs and pieces of the curtains that hung in apartment 5A.
It emerged late last month nearly 100 strands of hair tested during the original Madeleine McCann investigation were never DNA-matched.

The Operation Grange inquiry is running in parallel with a new Portuguese probe, reopened in May more than five years after being shelved.

Scotland Yard detectives dug up waste ground and inspected sewers in Praia da Luz in June in a grim search for her body.

One of the suspects questioned in July was a former Ocean Club worker and another a 51-year-old schizophrenic drug addict. They both denied any involvement in Madeleine's disappearance.

Portuguese police believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer living in Portugal.

However they have still not formally ruled out the involvement of junkie burglar Euclides Monteiro, whose widow they questioned last year, despite the fact DNA tests have put him in the clear.

Last month it emerged the cost of the British police search for Madeleine will soon top £10million double the original amount estimated by the Home Office when the force was called in by David Cameron in 2011.
The Home Office has defending the rising cost of the probe, insisting: 'The Government believes it is right that it does all it can to support the search for Madeleine McCann.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2828316/Madeleine-McCann-investigators-questioning-Britons-new-official-suspects-girl-s-disappearance-Portugal.html

Reading the leaked information in the press regarding the people already questioned and those about to be questioned leads to the heart breaking conclusion that the initial Portuguese inquiry missed basic investigative opportunities available at the time.

By doing so the opportunity to find out what happened to Madeleine was missed; and worse, the opportunity to recover her was missed.

In Panorama: Mystery of Madeleine McCann: November 19/2007 the crime reporter for the Diaro de Noticias, Jose Manuel Oliveira told Richard Bilton that as early as two days after Madeleine’s disappearance Portuguese Journalists were being briefed by the Portuguese police that the McCanns were suspected from the word go because they did not believe them or their friends.

I think that proves they took their eye off the ball and pursued that line of inquiry ... to the exclusion of all others ... or these people would have been fully investigated and ruled in or out of involvement in 2007.

Obviously the information about phone calls between the people SY wish to speak to was available in 2007.  From there it would have been easy to find out who knew who, who worked in the OC and who had criminal convictions.

There is something far wrong that these interviews are only taking place now and as a result of SY involvement when the information that led to this point was already available in 2007.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 10, 2014, 12:58:08 PM
That's why the springer spaniels are back. Unreliable dogs? The yard clearly don't think so and new forensics are happening.
The dogs are very gppd altho they do want to please their masters and get their reward.

It is the interpretation of their findings that is lacking at times along with forensic backing , which is vital.


Without those two criteria,
... correct interpretation AND forensic back up, the doogs alerts mean nothing, zilch, nada


Sadie was a spaniel.   
Springers especially are lovely animals and wonderfully clever.  Our families Springer could depress the door handle to open it ... and when the mechanism was reversed, he immediately found he had to push it up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 10, 2014, 01:26:28 PM
Reading the leaked information in the press regarding the people already questioned and those about to be questioned leads to the heart breaking conclusion that the initial Portuguese inquiry missed basic investigative opportunities available at the time.

By doing so the opportunity to find out what happened to Madeleine was missed; and worse, the opportunity to recover her was missed.

In Panorama: Mystery of Madeleine McCann: November 19/2007 the crime reporter for the Diaro de Noticias, Jose Manuel Oliveira told Richard Bilton that as early as two days after Madeleine’s disappearance Portuguese Journalists were being briefed by the Portuguese police that the McCanns were suspected from the word go because they did not believe them or their friends.

I think that proves they took their eye off the ball and pursued that line of inquiry ... to the exclusion of all others ... or these people would have been fully investigated and ruled in or out of involvement in 2007.

Obviously the information about phone calls between the people SY wish to speak to was available in 2007.  From there it would have been easy to find out who knew who, who worked in the OC and who had criminal convictions.

There is something far wrong that these interviews are only taking place now and as a result of SY involvement when the information that led to this point was already available in 2007
.

Good observations Brietta   8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 01:55:41 PM
Reading the leaked information in the press regarding the people already questioned and those about to be questioned leads to the heart breaking conclusion that the initial Portuguese inquiry missed basic investigative opportunities available at the time.

By doing so the opportunity to find out what happened to Madeleine was missed; and worse, the opportunity to recover her was missed.

In Panorama: Mystery of Madeleine McCann: November 19/2007 the crime reporter for the Diaro de Noticias, Jose Manuel Oliveira told Richard Bilton that as early as two days after Madeleine’s disappearance Portuguese Journalists were being briefed by the Portuguese police that the McCanns were suspected from the word go because they did not believe them or their friends.

I think that proves they took their eye off the ball and pursued that line of inquiry ... to the exclusion of all others ... or these people would have been fully investigated and ruled in or out of involvement in 2007.

Obviously the information about phone calls between the people SY wish to speak to was available in 2007.  From there it would have been easy to find out who knew who, who worked in the OC and who had criminal convictions.

There is something far wrong that these interviews are only taking place now and as a result of SY involvement when the information that led to this point was already available in 2007.

Interesting that the PJ aren't interested in questioning these witnesses now either.

Only at the request of SY.

I reckon it's because they were right the first time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2014, 02:34:37 PM
I reckon its just a bit more box ticking on the part of SY - people of possible interest only.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 10, 2014, 02:54:10 PM
I reckon its just a bit more box ticking on the part of SY - people of possible interest only.

Seems likely! According to the press The Met have yet to instigate the ILOR for permission to carry out their own forensic tests, on materials held by the Portuguese, after the recent visit to the Portuguese Laboratory.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 02:58:53 PM
Interesting that the PJ aren't interested in questioning these witnesses now either.

Only at the request of SY.

I reckon it's because they were right the first time.

Actually we do not know exactly what the PJ are interested in, nor for that matter do we have the slightest idea what has brought these individuals to SY interest; apart from good detective work which has taken cognisance of information the source of which appears to have been ignored by the initial investigation led by Dr Amaral.

If the names of the people to be questioned are released to the press it will be interesting to see what part, if any, they played back in 2007 and if they gave witness statements at that time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2014, 03:04:36 PM
You can't say it is good detective work, it might be absolutely crap detective work - we have no way of knowing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 03:07:43 PM
I reckon its just a bit more box ticking on the part of SY - people of possible interest only.

Possibly.
 
I think the original investigation left them with a lot of boxes to tick. 

All of which should have been ticked by the original investigation. 

I think the present ongoing questioning sessions of witnesses is probably taking them to the stage the original investigation should have been at days into Madeleine’s disappearance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 03:18:44 PM
You can't say it is good detective work, it might be absolutely crap detective work - we have no way of knowing.


If it is my opinion ... of course I can say it.

If you disagree that is up to you.

Obviously there is a requirement to carry out diligences which have been neglected.  I am quite sure that having access to professionally translated … and complete files … will have aided them enormously in their work.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 03:24:49 PM
Seems likely! According to the press The Met have yet to instigate the ILOR for permission to carry out their own forensic tests, on materials held by the Portuguese, after the recent visit to the Portuguese Laboratory.


Maybe they are perfectly happy to have the forensic tests carried out in Portugal.

As far as I can see the only reason for using a British lab would be if they had the use of technology which the Portuguese do not have.  I don't think this is the case, and perhaps their recent visit to the Portuguese lab confirmed that for them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 10, 2014, 03:30:50 PM

Maybe they are perfectly happy to have the forensic tests carried out in Portugal.

As far as I can see the only reason for using a British lab would be if they had the use of technology which the Portuguese do not have.  I don't think this is the case, and perhaps their recent visit to the Portuguese lab confirmed that for them.

You could well be right and that would be my first assumption. Should it transpire The Met are happy it will leave those whose thesis was "the Portuguese are Dodos" in the sticky stuff.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 03:38:13 PM
Actually we do not know exactly what the PJ are interested in, nor for that matter do we have the slightest idea what has brought these individuals to SY interest;apart from good detective work which has taken cognisance of information the source of which appears to have been ignored by the initial investigation led by Dr Amaral.

If the names of the people to be questioned are released to the press it will be interesting to see what part, if any, they played back in 2007 and if they gave witness statements at that time.

Not the same thing as SY, we know that much....

'Portuguese police believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer living in Portugal.'

'However they have still not formally ruled out the involvement of junkie burglar Euclides Monteiro, whose widow they questioned last year, despite the fact DNA tests have put him in the clear.'


While SY believe Maddie was/wasn't murdered/abducted by a paedophile ring during a botched burglary & that she may still be alive, or sadly dead.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 04:01:41 PM
Not the same thing as SY, we know that much....

'Portuguese police believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer living in Portugal.'

'However they have still not formally ruled out the involvement of junkie burglar Euclides Monteiro, whose widow they questioned last year, despite the fact DNA tests have put him in the clear.'


While SY believe Maddie was/wasn't murdered/abducted by a paedophile ring during a botched burglary & that she may still be alive, or sadly dead.

I would place as much reliance on leaks to the Portuguese press as I do on the moon being composed of green cheese.

Interesting though that Euclides’ DNA did not match the semen sample left after one of the attacks on one of the children when everyone has been proclaiming vociferously that no such attacks had taken place.

It is also worth pondering that these attacks were known about at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance … yet the police did not think this significant?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 04:05:40 PM
I would place as much reliance on leaks to the Portuguese press as I do on the moon being composed of green cheese.

Interesting though that Euclides’ DNA did not match the semen sample left after one of the attacks on one of the children when everyone has been proclaiming vociferously that no such attacks had taken place.

It is also worth pondering that these attacks were known about at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance … yet the police did not think this significant?

The GNR didn't inform the PJ about the 'alleged' attacks, apparently.

But no doubt, somehow, it's that B*stard Amaral's fault.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2014, 04:05:44 PM
I would place as much reliance on leaks to the Portuguese press as I do on the moon being composed of green cheese.

Interesting though that Euclides’ DNA did not match the semen sample left after one of the attacks on one of the children when everyone has been proclaiming vociferously that no such attacks had taken place.

It is also worth pondering that these attacks were known about at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance … yet the police did not think this significant?

As I remember it was spam in  particular who claimed these attacks had not taken place...he was wrong there as he is on everything else
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 04:06:27 PM
As I remember it was spam in  particular who claimed these attacks had not taken place...he was wrong there as he is on everything else

What attacks?

Do you mean the alleged attacks?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2014, 04:11:45 PM
I would place as much reliance on leaks to the Portuguese press as I do on the moon being composed of green cheese.

Interesting though that Euclides’ DNA did not match the semen sample left after one of the attacks on one of the children when everyone has been proclaiming vociferously that no such attacks had taken place.

It is also worth pondering that these attacks were known about at the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance … yet the police did not think this significant?

Did that information not also come from the Portuguese media?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 10, 2014, 06:07:50 PM
Quote
Portuguese police believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer living in Portugal.

How are "sceptics" able to process and deal with this information?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2014, 06:20:14 PM
What attacks?

Do you mean the alleged attacks?

If there is sperm present they are attacks not alleged attacks
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 10, 2014, 06:30:15 PM
That would depend where the sperm came from. One does not know the circumstances.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 10, 2014, 06:33:02 PM
How are "sceptics" able to process and deal with this information?

The same way it was processed in the summer when it was mooted by the Portuguese when The Met were in PdL excavating?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 06:33:27 PM
If there is sperm present they are attacks not alleged attacks

"At the site of one of the alleged sex abuses a sample of semen was collected... "

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=2784.msg198079#msg198079



Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 10, 2014, 06:36:44 PM
That would depend where the sperm came from. One does not know the circumstances.

If the sperm had been tested by the lab following the alleged assault of a minor, the PJ must have been involved in any investigation. For them to deny knowledge of any previous incidents of this nature is ludicrous.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 10, 2014, 06:39:37 PM
That would depend where the sperm came from. One does not know the circumstances.

It would depend on a lot of things particularly from where it was collected...The fact that it was checked against Monteiro would indicate it was from an intruder
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 06:40:15 PM
The GNR didn't inform the PJ about the 'alleged' attacks, apparently.

But no doubt, somehow, it's that B*stard Amaral's fault.

How do we know this?  Until recently everyone was busy denying such attacks had occurred.

Wonder why no-one thought serious sexual assualts on children should not have been passed up the line at the time of the offences ... or why it didn't cross anyone's mind to mention them in passing when a child went missing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 06:44:59 PM
If the sperm had been tested by the lab following the alleged assault of a minor, the PJ must have been involved in any investigation. For them to deny knowledge of any previous incidents of this nature is ludicrous.

Hadn't read down before posting ... this observation is absolutely spot on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 10, 2014, 06:48:54 PM
Hadn't read down before posting ... this observation is absolutely spot on.

The PJ is the only arm of Portuguese law-enforcement that investigates major crime.

The GNR (in the main) are involved in such activities as road-traffic control, and would certainly refer anything major to the PJ.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 07:00:30 PM

Before March, Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange was aware of 12 break-ins and four sex assaults. Now they are aware of six new break-ins including five new sex assaults.

However, despite five of the new incidents being reported to local police at the time, these details were not passed on to the current UK investigation.

Mr Redwood expressed “major concerns” that local Portuguese police could hold the key to the mystery of Maddie’s disappearance but have failed to inform their national counterparts, the Policia Judiciaria.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-discover-girl-3448542
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 10, 2014, 07:48:56 PM
What happened to the arrests that were imminent earlier in the year?
Has anyone been arrested and/or charged?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 08:03:25 PM

Madeleine McCann suspects 'all knew each other and exchanged calls on night of vanishing'

BRITONS will be questioned as new suspects over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, it was claimed today


By: David Pilditch and Gerard Couzens
Published: Mon, November 10, 2014


The British nationals are among a group of seven people due to be quizzed as arguidos, leading Portuguese daily Jornal de Noticias reported.

Four more will be interviewed as witnesses towards the end of the month at a police station in Faro.

The seven suspects reportedly know each other and exchanged phone calls on the night Madeleine vanished on May 3 2007.

They are also all familiar with Praia da Luz - the Algarve holiday resort where Madeleine was staying with her family.

Some are also said to have criminal records and others are ex-workers of the Ocean Club holiday complex where Madeleine vanished from.

It is not known how many of the group of seven, which also include Portuguese nationals, are British.

At least one of the 11 people set to be quizzed later this month is thought to be a woman.


British police are now in the process of formally asking for permission to sit in on the interviews, which will be led by Portuguese officers who will ask questions on their behalf.

An official request was made in a fifth international letter sent by British police to the Portuguese authorities.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann, both 46, from Rothley, Leicestershire, have never given up hope that their daughter will be found alive.

They are being kept informed of developments by police.

Members of Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange squad visited Portugal a month ago.

A small team of three officers including Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood met Policia Judiciaria bosses in Faro.

They also travelled to the university city of Coimbra - a five hour drive north - to visit a laboratory where many of the DNA samples collected after Madeleine’s disappearance are held


British police told bosses at Portugal’s Institute of Legal Medicine and Forensic Sciences they want to retest some of the samples to try to crack the mystery of Madeleine’s disappearance.

They are yet to send a sixth international letter of request which Portuguese prosecutor Ines Sequeira will have to authorise before Metropolitan Police forensics experts are allowed access to the lab or given permission to take samples to Britain to analyse them.

The forensic material includes hairs and pieces of the curtains that hung in apartment 5A where Madeleine was staying with her family.

Last month it emerged nearly 100 strands of hair tested during the original Madeleine McCann investigation were never DNA-matched.

The Operation Grange inquiry is running in parallel with a new Portuguese probe, reopened in May - more than five years after the investigation was officially shelved.

One of the suspects questioned in July was a former Ocean Club worker and another a 51-year-old schizophrenic drug addict. They both denied any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.

Portuguese police believe Madeleine was snatched by a foreigner no longer living in Portugal.

However they have still not formally ruled out the involvement of junkie burglar Euclides Monteiro, whose widow they questioned last year, despite the fact DNA tests have put him in the clear.

Scotland Yard said it would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation.

The Home Office has defended the rising cost of the £10 million probe, saying: “The Government believes it is right that it does all it can to support the search for Madeleine McCann.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/533815/Madeleine-McCann-suspects-police-probe-exchanged-calls
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 08:15:31 PM
What happened to the arrests that were imminent earlier in the year?
Has anyone been arrested and/or charged?


Were the 'imminent arrests' an official announcement made by the investigating authorities?

Or did they emanate from a friend of a friend whose hairdresser's cousin knows someone who knows a source close to the investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 08:39:34 PM
Seven Madeleine McCann suspects to be quizzed

Three Britons are among the group due to be questioned by Portuguese police over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, according to reports.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11221999/Seven-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-to-be-quizzed.html


Two Brits among seven new suspects in Madeleine McCann investigation

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-11-10/two-brits-among-seven-new-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 10, 2014, 10:13:45 PM
Two Brits among seven new suspects in Madeleine McCann investigation

EMMA MURPHY  SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
 Play video
A British man and woman are among seven people to be questioned as suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

The seven will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro.

Two women will be questioned - the British one and another of Eastern or Central European origin.

Five men, two British and three Portuguese will also be asked for their whereabouts on the night Madeleine vanished. A further four people will be spoken to as witnesses.

It’s thought three of those being questioned will be declared “arguidos” - or given formal suspect status under Portuguese law.

Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before - none were known to the McCanns.

It’s thought some amongst the group may have worked at the Ocean Club around the time the three year old disappeared.

This is the latest stage of the British investigation into what may have happened and follows extensive reviews of mobile phone footage.
Last updated Mon 10 Nov 2014
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 10:14:15 PM
It is impossible to separate fact from fiction in the absence of any official press releases. 

The Telegraph seems to have got hold of some information about the identity of one ?? of the females we are told will be interviewed. 

She is not British and is of Eastern or Central European origin.

None of those to be interviewed are known to Madeleine’s parents.

One wonders how long it is going to be before the penny finally drops for some people.

>>snip<<
Seven suspects are to be questioned quizzed over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, it has emerged.

Two British men and a woman are among the group due to be questioned by Portuguese police, according to reports. Three of the seven will be declared 'arguidos', or official suspects under Portuguese law.

ITV News reported that seven, five men and two women, will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro. Four others will be interviewed as witnesses.

Three of the men are thought to be Portuguese, and the non-British woman is of Eastern or Central European origin.

The seven suspects know the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine vanished from on May 3, 2007, know each other and made phone calls the night she disappeared, Portuguese newspaper Jornal de Noticias said.

Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before. None were known to the McCanns.

Some are also said to have criminal records and others are ex-workers of the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine, three at the time, was staying with her parents.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11221999/Seven-Madeleine-McCann-suspects-to-be-quizzed.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 10, 2014, 10:36:56 PM

Once upon a time a Scotland Yard spokesman said: “We are not giving a running commentary.”....but it's been seive mode all the way, for some reason.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 10, 2014, 11:11:42 PM
Two Brits among seven new suspects in Madeleine McCann investigation

EMMA MURPHY  SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
 Play video
A British man and woman are among seven people to be questioned as suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

The seven will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro.

Two women will be questioned - the British one and another of Eastern or Central European origin.

Five men, two British and three Portuguese will also be asked for their whereabouts on the night Madeleine vanished. A further four people will be spoken to as witnesses.

It’s thought three of those being questioned will be declared “arguidos” - or given formal suspect status under Portuguese law.

Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before - none were known to the McCanns.

It’s thought some amongst the group may have worked at the Ocean Club around the time the three year old disappeared.

This is the latest stage of the British investigation into what may have happened and follows extensive reviews of mobile phone footage.
Last updated Mon 10 Nov 2014

It certainly seems that close scrutiny of the phone usage around the time Madeleine vanished has highlighted people who should be interviewed to be ruled in or ruled out of the inquiry and who will perhaps be able to add to what is already known by SY. 

As far as I can ascertain from the files, the only usage gone into in any depth were calls between Mr Murat and his business associate Sergei Malinka; Madeleine’s parents’ calls and their friends’ calls.  None of whom had criminal records.

Extraordinary that some of those who we are told did have criminal records, who worked in the OC and we are told were known to each other were not given similar scrutiny at the time and it has taken over seven years to arrive at this stage.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 10, 2014, 11:52:07 PM
OMG! The two British suspects are known to investigation and have spoken to the police after Madeleine vanished.

http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-4606426

Madeleine McCann: Police will quiz British man and woman among new suspects

Nov 10, 2014 22:41 By David Collins, Russell Myers

The pair, who live in Portugal, are among seven new suspects who Met police will order to provide a DNA sample. A source said Scotland Yard investigators believe they have “identified certain people who have vital information”


Seven new suspects have been identified by Scotland Yard officers investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and will be ordered to provide a DNA sample.

Detectives plan to quiz the five men and two women this month. Two of the suspects are British.

The pair – a man and a woman – live on the Algarve in Portugal.

It is believed that the expats may know each other but it has not been revealed if they are a couple.


The DNA of the seven suspects will be matched against evidence taken from the apartment at the Ocean Club resort in the resort town of Praia da Luz where Madeleine was staying with her family when she vanished in 2007 aged three.


A source said: “After reviewing thousands of pieces of evidence, Scotland Yard investigators believe they have identified certain people who have vital information.

“It is likely the British suspects are already known to the investigation.”

Insiders said the seven people will be classed as “persons of interest” – or “arguidos” under Portuguese law.

Four of them are men from Portugal. The other is understood to be a woman of Central or Eastern European origin.


Interviews will be carried out by ­Portuguese officers with Scotland Yard detectives present.

It is understood some of the suspects know each other or worked together at the Ocean Club resort.

At least two of them are believed to have criminal records and some made phone calls to each other on the night Madeleine disappeared.

It is believed that the two British suspects were spoken to by Portuguese police after Madeleine vanished.

A Met spokesman said he could not “provide a running commentary on an ongoing investigation”.

The developments come three years after the Met launched Operation Grange, a fresh probe into the case. The inquiry began after Madeleine’s parents Gerry, 45, and Kate, 46, of Rothley, Leics, appealed to David Cameron for help in the search.

It emerged a fortnight ago that forensic experts were unable to DNA match 98 hair strands found during the original Portuguese police probe.

Scotland Yard believes these hairs could hold the key to solving the case.

The Operation Grange team last went to Portugal a month ago, visiting a lab where many of the DNA samples are held.


One of the suspects questioned in July was a former Ocean Club worker and another a schizophrenic drug addict.

Operation Grange is running in parallel with a Portuguese probe, reopened in May five years after being shelved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 11, 2014, 12:00:35 AM
ITV News:


A British man and woman are among seven people to be questioned as suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

The seven will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro.

Two women will be questioned - the British one and another of Eastern or Central European origin.

Five men, two British and three Portuguese will also be asked for their whereabouts on the night Madeleine vanished. A further four people will be spoken to as witnesses.

It’s thought three of those being questioned will be declared “arguidos” - or given formal suspect status under Portuguese law.

Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before - none were known to the McCanns.

It’s thought some amongst the group may have worked at the Ocean Club around the time the three year old disappeared.

This is the latest stage of the British investigation into what may have happened and follows extensive reviews of mobile phone footage.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-11-10/two-brits-among-seven-new-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 12:04:23 AM
I am taking my words back re the slim chances. IMO this was really clever to try matching the phone records with people and then the same people with the hairs found in the room.. if any of the hair matches.. then bingo!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 11, 2014, 12:05:53 AM
ITV News:


A British man and woman are among seven people to be questioned as suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation.

The seven will be spoken to by officers between November 24 and November 28 in Faro.

Two women will be questioned - the British one and another of Eastern or Central European origin.

Five men, two British and three Portuguese will also be asked for their whereabouts on the night Madeleine vanished. A further four people will be spoken to as witnesses.

It’s thought three of those being questioned will be declared “arguidos” - or given formal suspect status under Portuguese law.

Some of those being questioned have been spoken to by police before - none were known to the McCanns.

It’s thought some amongst the group may have worked at the Ocean Club around the time the three year old disappeared.

This is the latest stage of the British investigation into what may have happened and follows extensive reviews of mobile phone footage.

http://www.itv.com/news/2014-11-10/two-brits-among-seven-new-suspects-in-madeleine-mccann-investigation/

I'm sure if we wait until morning the names of the 7 will mysteriously appear via a source in Portugal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2014, 12:11:16 AM
I think SY know exactly where they are going with these interviews, I hope they get the information from them to progress the case and to find out what happened to Madeleine.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2014, 12:14:40 AM
I am taking my words back re the slim chances. IMO this was really clever to try matching the phone records with people and then the same people with the hairs found in the room.. if any of the hair matches.. then bingo!

Think you were right first time VIXTE.

I would say chances are very, very slim.  But at least SY are prepared to take that slim chance,
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 12:17:04 AM
I think SY know exactly where they are going with these interviews, I hope they get the information from them to progress the case and to find out what happened to Madeleine.

But eastern European could be the Gypsy route. I hope it is not because that is gonna get nowhere.  There was also nobody of Eastern European roots on the staff statements. Except for the Russian's mother and maybe maybe another woman who had a Portuguese surname but an Eastern European name.. I remember a mention of it somewhere..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 11, 2014, 12:21:52 AM
But eastern European could be the Gypsy route. I hope it is not because that is gonna get nowhere.  There was also nobody of Eastern European roots on the staff statements. Except for Russian's mother and maybe maybe another woman who had a Portuguese surname but an Eastern European name.. I remember a mention of it somewhere..


I think Misty is right ... we are not going to have to wait too long till 'a source close to the investigation' tells us exactly who they are.

It will be interesting to see what those who have been interviewed at the time said to the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 11, 2014, 12:31:20 AM

I think Misty is right ... we are not going to have to wait too long till 'a source close to the investigation' tells us exactly who they are.

It will be interesting to see what those who have been interviewed at the time said to the police.

In the light of multiple changes of statements made by 2 individuals in May 2007, I'll be absolutely amazed if they are not interviewed by SY in this latest round of interviews. It was implied a few weeks back that it was "make or break time" and I'm pretty sure Redwood would like this concluded before he retires.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 11, 2014, 12:32:48 AM

I think Misty is right ... we are not going to have to wait too long till 'a source close to the investigation' tells us exactly who they are.

It will be interesting to see what those who have been interviewed at the time said to the police.

OMG, things have been moving fast.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 12:40:31 AM
I was wrong. Just checked the statements re couple I had in mind and the husband is from EE and wife is Portuguese. There are only two female staff members with EE names, one is a cook and other is SM's mother.

I agree.. better wait and see than make wrong assumptions and even wrong accusations.. but after so many years people might be very curious.

Whoever leaks this info I guess will make a fortune  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 11, 2014, 11:39:31 AM
Madelaine Mccann: A Global Obsession Tue 19:00 18 Nov

http://www.channel5.com/shows/madelaine-mccann-a-global-obsession/episodes/madelaine-mccann-a-global-obsession

Documentary looking into the reason why the disappearance of Madeleine McCann continues to make headline news when hundreds of children go missing every year? Journalist Martin Frizell - who broke the story in the UK in 2007 - analyses the unprecedented campaign run by Madeleine's parents to keep their daughter in the public eye.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 04:20:46 PM
Thinking about the British man and woman who are known to investigation.. even Mrs Fenn's niece comes to mind..
Can anyone else think about any other British woman that was already questioned?
A member of staff?
Person on holiday?
Local resident?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 04:24:04 PM
And it was said in the papers all these new suspects knew each other and communicated by phone to each other that night. And that some of the suspects had a criminal record.

So who can be the British woman that 'communicated' with others? It was not Murat's mum. She said she was asleep.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 11, 2014, 04:48:17 PM
Thinking about the British man and woman who are known to investigation.. even Mrs Fenn's niece comes to mind..
Can anyone else think about any other British woman that was already questioned?
A member of staff?
Person on holiday?
Local resident?

It's not certain that the British woman has already been formally interviewed, is it? Some of the interviews were either vague or mainly concerned a specific topic, so there could be numerous other questions for clarification.

Jenny Murat for example. She must have had some reason to set up her stall, possibly more than one. People who didn't want to contact the police themelves for any reason. What, if any, information was she given? Who was it given to? If it was Robert, who did he give any to? Does anything relate to what was recorded in the files or is information missing?

Any British resident who'd been burgled. One of the bar owners. Someone with a flat with a potential vantage point. Any OC staff who moved jobs since but stayed in PT...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 11, 2014, 05:41:02 PM
This is the Guardian's take on the news.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/11/madeleine-mccann-british-expats-seven-new-suspects


 

Two British expats are among seven new suspects identified by detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The men, who have been declared arguidos – or formal suspects – by the Portuguese police, will be questioned later this month and ordered to provide DNA samples. The Britons, who are not known to each other, are believed to have lived on the Algarve in Portugal before Madeleine’s disappearance on 3 May 2007. A further four individuals are being treated as witnesses.

Two other Britons – a man and a woman who also live in Portugal – will assist the investigation as witnesses, the Guardian has learned.

Detectives will question the suspects between 24 and 28 November in a process expected to include ordering them to provide DNA samples that may be matched against evidence recovered during the original investigation seven years ago.

None of the seven new suspects was questioned by Portuguese police in the summer, when detectives interviewed four Portuguese nationals about the three-year-old’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

Detectives from Scotland Yard’s Operation Grange investigation are pursuing a number of lines of inquiry, but Portuguese police chiefs are understood to consider the theory Madeleine was abducted by a foreign national – rather than a local – as among the most probable.

The imminent questioning of new suspects comes after British forensic analysts visited Portugal last month to revisit some of the evidence retrieved from the Ocean Beach Club holiday apartment where Madeleine was last seen.

In July officers questioned four Portuguese nationals over the disappearance. Those interviews followed a ground-level search in Praia da Luz in June in an operation that failed to recover any new evidenc
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 11, 2014, 07:04:24 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/11/madeleine-mccann-british-expats-seven-new-suspects
Snip>>>
Two British expats are among seven new suspects identified by detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The men, who have been declared arguidos – or formal suspects – by the Portuguese police, will be questioned later this month and ordered to provide DNA samples. The Britons, who are not known to each other, are believed to have lived on the Algarve in Portugal before Madeleine’s disappearance on 3 May 2007. A further four individuals are being treated as witnesses.
Snip>>>
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 11, 2014, 07:20:54 PM
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/11/madeleine-mccann-british-expats-seven-new-suspects
Snip>>>
Two British expats are among seven new suspects identified by detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The men, who have been declared arguidos – or formal suspects – by the Portuguese police, will be questioned later this month and ordered to provide DNA samples. The Britons, who are not known to each other, are believed to have lived on the Algarve in Portugal before Madeleine’s disappearance on 3 May 2007. A further four individuals are being treated as witnesses.
Snip>>>

I do wish that PT would develop a PJ press service. Every media outlet seems to say something different...

So far, the bottom line seems to be that several people are going to be interviewed later this month.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 11, 2014, 07:27:27 PM
I do wish that PT would develop a PJ press service. Every media outlet seems to say something different...

So far, the bottom line seems to be that several people are going to be interviewed later this month.

That's about the size of it!
If it follows the pattern of everything else this year it will be a gold mine full of pyrites..........then again this may be "the big one" as sports commentators used to say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on November 11, 2014, 09:19:31 PM

So far, the bottom line seems to be that several people are going to be interviewed later this month.

Agreed, people who were around on the fateful night.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 11, 2014, 09:33:37 PM
Agreed, people who were around on the fateful night.


Being in PDL on that night does not necessarily mean they were 'around'
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on November 11, 2014, 09:57:11 PM

Being in PDL on that night does not necessarily mean they were 'around'

Around PDL, maybe sitting watching telly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 11, 2014, 10:02:26 PM
I do wish that PT would develop a PJ press service. Every media outlet seems to say something different...

So far, the bottom line seems to be that several people are going to be interviewed later this month.
Some as arguidos.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 10:06:45 PM
Well, it appears the SY found some communication between the OC workers and the local residents of whom some were British. And also the British ones had a communication with the Portuguese ones.

That might be all normal but if any of these people was questioned and said for example that they were sleeping or that they weren't around or if they communicated with someone with a criminal record that is then worth investigating..

I wonder if  these people who are to be interviewed already informed about it.

If they weren't it would be interesting watching them while they were reading the news  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 11, 2014, 10:59:22 PM
British expats to be quizzed in Madeleine case

BY BRENDAN DE BEER, IN NEWS · 11-11-2014 19:59:00 · 0 COMMENTS

Sources close to the investigation involving the search for missing British toddler Madeleine McCann, have today told The Portugal News two British expats are set to be declared formal suspects or arquidos. Another two Britons will be called in as witnesses.

British expats to be quizzed in Madeleine case
 
Dates confirmed for questioning have been confirmed as being afrom November 24 to 28 at the PJ police headquarters in Faro.

Sources told said the questioning of suspects was unlikely to stretch beyond this period.

Any new requests will have to come in the form of a new letter of international request.

Sources said there are 11 persons of interest, of which seven will be declared arguidos, and four will be heard as witnesses.
There are two Britons in either of these groups.

 
The two British witnesses are a couple (a man and a woman), but the two British suspects are not related in any way and are both men.

The seven suspects do not include any of the four questioned over the summer.

The Brits were all resident in Portugal at the time of her disappearance and have remained here since, sources said.

The theory that Madeleine was abducted by someone passing through,remains a scenario which Portuguese police continue to believe to be among the most probable.

Detectives from Scotland Yard are expected to sit in during questioning of suspects, but sources said today no official request had yet been received from London, though this appears to be a mere formality.


The source of this news is a mathematician?  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2014, 08:10:38 AM
Around PDL, maybe sitting watching telly.

Ah yes, watching the football  ?{)(**
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on November 12, 2014, 10:58:23 AM
The Portuguese national newspaper Correio da Manha (Morning Post) yesterday reported that three British nationals, two men and one woman, are among the suspects being investigated in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and will be questioned by the Judicial Police in Faro. The article added that at least one other foreign national and three Portuguese will also be heard as witnesses before the end of the month.

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-11/img_757x426$2014_11_11_11_27_08_416845.jpg)

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/tres_britanicos_suspeitos_do_desaparecimento_de_maddie.html


All Correio da Manha articles about Maddie (English)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fpesquisa.html%3Fq%3Dmaddie
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 12, 2014, 01:06:54 PM
I am still wondering whether the individuals are already informed about the questioning.

Is there anything in PT law to say they have to know it in advance?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 12, 2014, 01:14:08 PM
I am still wondering whether the individuals are already informed about the questioning.

Is there anything in PT law to say they have to know it in advance?

Thing is if they did take the child they would be long gone now wouldnt they if they had read the news? Especially from the last lot of questioning, and even this lot if they are British they can move freely they are not arrested are they, all very odd. I said to my old man months ago, i bet you like the boomarang we will come back to the beginning...........
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 12, 2014, 01:25:30 PM
Nobody will be arrested in Portugal until there is sufficient evidence to justify it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2014, 01:28:04 PM

If anyone does a runner it will have to be because they are guilty.  And where on earth would they run to?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 12, 2014, 01:30:26 PM
If anyone does a runner it will have to be because they are guilty.  And where on earth would they run to?

No not so much a runner, but over time from 2007 if someone was guilty they have had plenty of time, just to move on surely....would you really stay by the crime scene? I find it odd.

Anyway I wonder if this is one of the people of interest....

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-pressure-and-harass-ocean-club.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 12, 2014, 01:41:32 PM

They probably thought they had gotten away with it, which wouldn't have been surprising, under the circumstances.  Moving would have attracted attention, and people can always be traced anyway.

Let's face it, they were hardly expecting Scotland Yard.  And now it is far too late.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 12, 2014, 01:58:12 PM
No not so much a runner, but over time from 2007 if someone was guilty they have had plenty of time, just to move on surely....would you really stay by the crime scene? I find it odd.

Anyway I wonder if this is one of the people of interest....

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2009/05/mccanns-pressure-and-harass-ocean-club.html

No idea. Some people may feel that being overlooked or casually interviewed is safe. Others may find "reasons" to move elsewhere.


Was that interview given free of charge, I wonder?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 12, 2014, 02:02:16 PM
The Portuguese national newspaper Correio da Manha (Morning Post) yesterday reported that three British nationals, two men and one woman, are among the suspects being investigated in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann and will be questioned by the Judicial Police in Faro. The article added that at least one other foreign national and three Portuguese will also be heard as witnesses before the end of the month.

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-11/img_757x426$2014_11_11_11_27_08_416845.jpg)

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/tres_britanicos_suspeitos_do_desaparecimento_de_maddie.html


All Correio da Manha articles about Maddie (English)

https://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cmjornal.xl.pt%2Fpesquisa.html%3Fq%3Dmaddie

LOL The story changes yet again. If the PJ had an official press service to give official updates, then there would be no need for garbled leaks.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 12, 2014, 02:42:55 PM
Thing is if they did take the child they would be long gone now wouldnt they if they had read the news? Especially from the last lot of questioning, and even this lot if they are British they can move freely they are not arrested are they, all very odd. I said to my old man months ago, i bet you like the boomarang we will come back to the beginning...........

 ... and that is exactly where SY had to go to get to where they are in the investigation today.

I’m not sure the people about to be interviewed all live in PDL now and I’m not sure they all ever did.

The advantage anyone directly associated with or who has come into direct contact with Madeleine is that over seven years they will have had ample opportunity to remove all possible trace. 

For example, all clothing or bedding and anything with which Madeleine might have come into contact will have been destroyed. 
Similarly, any vehicle in which she may have been transported will either have been destroyed or forensically cleaned with carpets etc. being replaced.

It must have come as a shock when Madeleine’s parents’ unrelenting campaign to have her case reopened achieved the impossible success with SY taking up the case; this is the only time since Madeleine's disappearance they have had any cause for concern.   

I doubt very much if all the information SY have consists of phone pings. 

From the little information we have been given … I think they are in the process of building a strong case. 

If I were a guilty party I would be a very worried person indeed particularly as the press is printing conjecture, but for the first time, with the actual perpetrator/s as the focus.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 12, 2014, 03:48:21 PM
... and that is exactly where SY had to go to get to where they are in the investigation today.

I’m not sure the people about to be interviewed all live in PDL now and I’m not sure they all ever did.

The advantage anyone directly associated with or who has come into direct contact with Madeleine is that over seven years they will have had ample opportunity to remove all possible trace. 

For example, all clothing or bedding and anything with which Madeleine might have come into contact will have been destroyed. 
Similarly, any vehicle in which she may have been transported will either have been destroyed or forensically cleaned with carpets etc. being replaced.

It must have come as a shock when Madeleine’s parents’ unrelenting campaign to have her case reopened achieved the impossible success with SY taking up the case; this is the only time since Madeleine's disappearance they have had any cause for concern.   

I doubt very much if all the information SY have consists of phone pings. 

From the little information we have been given … I think they are in the process of building a strong case. 

If I were a guilty party I would be a very worried person indeed particularly as the press is printing conjecture, but for the first time, with the actual perpetrator/s as the focus.

I think you are right Brietta.  SY know who they are after, maybe already have him(?) and are trying to build a stronger case  .... and maybe find associates?

Time will tell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 12, 2014, 05:27:03 PM
I think you are right Brietta.  SY know who they are after, maybe already have him(?) and are trying to build a stronger case  .... and maybe find associates?

Time will tell.

I don't agree Sadie, the way I see it they haven't a baldy notion who did it and are simply trying to push hard enough to see what gives...typical police tactics really.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 12, 2014, 05:50:56 PM
I don't agree Sadie, the way I see it they haven't a baldy notion who did it and are simply trying to push hard enough to see what gives...typical police tactics really.


Too late in the day for normal tactics to be used.
 
I don’t think they have gone in blind, John, they are after someone. 
If they hadn’t a clue or thought it was going to be too difficult to prove … they would have made their polite excuses and retired after reviewing the files.  It would have caused disappointment but no surprise.

No-one will have had a better appreciation than SY about what obstacles they would be up against with regard to working with a foreign force abroad and that probably any new forensic revelations would be nothing short of miraculous.

I think they have seen something in the files and have information worth pursuing … remember they have seen them all and HOLMES will have seen them all too ... there is also additional information which no-one but the McCanns and law enforcement know how all the sources intertwine. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 12, 2014, 06:00:59 PM
Why would the Portuguese police allow their own citizens to be made arguidos if the Met had absolutely no grounds whatsoever to interview them as part of the Madeleine investigation?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on November 12, 2014, 06:53:28 PM
Why would the Portuguese police allow their own citizens to be made arguidos if the Met had absolutely no grounds whatsoever to interview them as part of the Madeleine investigation?

If SY wants the PJ to ask these persons: "Did you kill Madeleine McCann and take her body away?", they would have to be made arguidos by law.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 12, 2014, 06:55:50 PM
If SY intends on having the PJ asking these persons: "Did you kill Madeleine McCann and take her body away?", they would have to be made arguidos by law.

From what I have read the pj have to have evidence against suspects to make them arguido
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 12, 2014, 07:04:30 PM
Why would the Portuguese police allow their own citizens to be made arguidos if the Met had absolutely no grounds whatsoever to interview them as part of the Madeleine investigation?

I think that's a good question ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on November 12, 2014, 11:14:03 PM
If anyone does a runner it will have to be because they are guilty.  And where on earth would they run to?

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 13, 2014, 10:07:30 AM
I think it becomes more and more obvious with each leak to the press from a source close to the investigation that SY are in the process of collating that evidence ... or is their questioning of witnesses and suspects just a grand charade?

I think you have managed to convey that the McCann's and their friends left their children unattended while they ate their evening meals.

It is a failure they and their family are having to live with for the rest of their lives ... it is nothing to you.

It becomes clearer with each step forward the Met are making in the investigation into Madeleine's case ... just how inept the initial investigation really was ... and it was attitudes such as yours, framed by the prejudice of the investigators which allowed the perpetrator/s of this crime to laugh at the law for the past seven and a half years.

Hopefully that is coming to an end and the people who should have been questioned in greater depth in 2007 ... and the people who should have been questioned but were not in 2007 ... will be able to provide information which will lead to finding out what happened to Madeleine.

You will probably have noticed these people are resident in Portugal ... according to the press leaks are known to each other ... some have criminal records ... were in phone contact  ... were employees or former employees.

They are not known to Madeleine's parents or their friends.

The shocking thing is ... all this information was available in 2007 ... just no-one was interested in collating anything which did not implicate the Drs McCann.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 13, 2014, 10:09:29 AM
I think it becomes more and more obvious with each leak to the press from a source close to the investigation that SY are in the process of collating that evidence ... or is their questioning of witnesses and suspects just a grand charade?

I think you have managed to convey that the McCann's and their friends left their children unattended while they ate their evening meals.

It is a failure they and their family are having to live with for the rest of their lives ... it is nothing to you.

It becomes clearer with each step forward Met are making in the investigation into Madeleine's case ... just how inept the initial investigation really was ... and it was attitudes such as yours, framed by the prejudice of the investigators which allowed the perpetrator/s of this crime to laugh at the law for the past seven and a half years.

Hopefully that is coming to an end and the people who should have been questioned in greater depth in 2007 ... and the people who should have been questioned but were not in 2007 ... will be able to provide information which will lead to finding out what happened to Madeleine.

You will probably have noticed these people are resident in Portugal ... according the press leaks are known to each other ... some have criminal records ... were in phone contact  ... were employees or former employees.

They are not known to Madeleine's parents or their friends.

The shocking thing is ... all this information was available in 2007 ... just no-one was interested in collating anything which did not implicate the Drs McCann.

Wow, people talking to each other on mobiles.................

Evidence of abduction ???

P.S. It wasn't just eating, was it brietta ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 13, 2014, 10:21:36 AM
Wow, people talking to each other on mobiles.................

Evidence of abduction ???

I am perfectly at ease that SY are doing the job which should have been completed in 2007.

I sincerely hope it leads to the safe recovery of Madeleine McCann and if not, information about what happened to her.

I am not so blinded by hatred of her parents that I wish to excuse in any way the perpetrator/s of this crime against the person of a little girl who was only three at the time.

I want that person caught and dealt with and cannot understand the mentality of those who prefer to wallow in the discredited myths of the past which could have been constructed specifically to direct attention away from that person or persons, so successful have they been.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 13, 2014, 10:44:46 AM
I am perfectly at ease that SY are doing the job which should have been completed in 2007.

I sincerely hope it leads to the safe recovery of Madeleine McCann and if not, information about what happened to her.

I am not so blinded by hatred of her parents that I wish to excuse in any way the perpetrator/s of this crime against the person of a little girl who was only three at the time.

I want that person caught and dealt with and cannot understand the mentality of those who prefer to wallow in the discredited myths of the past which could have been constructed specifically to direct attention away from that person or persons, so successful have they been.

I imagine that we pretty much all want that - we just differ as to who we think is guilty.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 13, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
I would say that as yet, there doesn't appear to be  enough evidence to even identify an abductor
I think they know exactly who the abductor is, and now they have to gather evidence.

If it is my man "X" commisioning the abductors, he is an elite, and they will need massive irrevocable evidence to even think of charging him. 



Then they have to make sure that the Judge is not blackmailable, nor threatenable and that his bloodline is not from certain roots [Yep his origins could be very important,  bretheren / brotherhoods etc ]

.... cos it seems to me that something crooked has been going on in some of the cases we have heard about in PT ...  and you have to wonder why

Amnesty have shown concern.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 13, 2014, 11:54:38 AM
And another fabulous post.  Well done Brietta  8@??)( 8@??)(
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on November 13, 2014, 12:56:01 PM
Yes,  well said Brietta  excellent post     8((()*/

I am amazed that Amaral didn't wonder how they got in to these apartments!!    He spent all that time showing how the lock on 5a wasn't damaged,  but didn't think 'hang on a minute perhaps this person had a key'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 13, 2014, 05:33:51 PM
Madelaine Mccann: A Global Obsession Tue 19:00 18 Nov

http://www.channel5.com/shows/madelaine-mccann-a-global-obsession/episodes/madelaine-mccann-a-global-obsession

Documentary looking into the reason why the disappearance of Madeleine McCann continues to make headline news when hundreds of children go missing every year? Journalist Martin Frizell - who broke the story in the UK in 2007 - analyses the unprecedented campaign run by Madeleine's parents to keep their daughter in the public eye.

Interesting story, let's have a look at how the  Portugal resident reported it yesterday.


Madeleine: The “Global Obsession” will be aired on Tuesday 18 November on Ch5

Portugal resident
13 Nov 2914

By NATASHA DONN

Perfectly timed to coincide with new stories coming out of UK pointing to British expats now in the eye of investigators, a new documentary promising to retrace the final hours leading up to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is due to be aired on British television on Tuesday night at 7pm. Easily accessible to expats with or without satellite connections to UK, “A Global Obsession” will be presented by former journalist-turned-PR man-turned-lunchtime-TV-editor Martin Frizell. Frizell, currently in charge of ITV’s lunchtime show Loose Women, is due to bring “exclusive insight” on “how a family's worst nightmare became breaking news and turned into one of the biggest stories of all time”.

A press release on the programme airing on Channel 5 explains Frizell’s motivation. He asks: "So why is Madeleine McCann still on the front pages all these years on? Sure, the story sells newspapers, it boosts ratings but it's because of you. You want to know. Whether it's because of your cynicism of the McCanns and the way they've marketed their daughter, because it's the unsolved mystery, because perhaps it's every parent's worst nightmare or there but for the grace of God go I. Whatever the reason, you'd have to have a cold heart indeed not to wish closure on this for the McCanns and that story, the eventual discovery of Madeleine will be the biggest yet."

Frizell worked in broadcast journalism for 20 years - for GMTV, Reuters, Sky News and ITV - before turning to PR last year as an executive director at GolinHarris, and then returning to TV broadcasting 18 months later. Since joining the Loose Women show he has reportedly been on a cost-cutting cull, causing a certain degree of discontent. The Daily Mirror wrote in July: "Martin is blaming everyone but himself for the show going down the pan. Nobody has a clue what they’re doing since he took over.”

Tragically, the Channel 5 press release also shows how other parents of missing children have hardly benefited from media exposure at all. Daniel Entwistle, for example, was a seven year old who went out to buy sweets in 2003, and was never seen again. Father David said afterwards: "They got Daniel on camera going past the garage and that's the last sight of him." After the initial media interest, stories about Daniel were quietly dropped, and 11 years on he has still not been found, says the release. Madeleine McCann.

A Global Obsession will go on air days before Scotland Yard detectives are due back in Portugal to interview seven new suspects, among whom are understood to be two British men and a British woman.

http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-the-%E2%80%9Cglobal-obsession%E2%80%9D-to-be-aired-on-tuesday#sthash.xwqwkDLg.dpuf

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 13, 2014, 06:15:18 PM
They didn't report there was an appeal last year for Daniel, by Norfolk police. His father also made a appeal in 2012.

Daniel Entwistle: 10th anniversary of Great Yarmouth disappearance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22383575

What a coincidence he disappeared the same date as Madeliene May 3rd.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 14, 2014, 10:22:06 AM
They didn't report there was an appeal last year for Daniel, by Norfolk police. His father also made a appeal in 2012.

Daniel Entwistle: 10th anniversary of Great Yarmouth disappearance

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-22383575

What a coincidence he disappeared the same date as Madeliene May 3rd.

Yes, quite unbelievable really.  Something else about the dates, Daniel was 7 and disappeared in 2003 while Madeleine was 3 and disappeared in 2007.

(http://chrisukorg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/untitled79.png?w=630)

One of the last known sightings of Daniel Entwistle on 3rd May 2003 as he bought sweets in his local shop.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4146.msg152221#msg152221
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 15, 2014, 09:39:52 AM
The personal way that the Mccanns checked every half hour, going into the apartment was infinitely better than that.   

In the case of the thousands of other parents you mention, Benice, many of them were not within sight ... nor were they within hearing distance.  Many were a long way away, even chosing no doubt to go out elsewhere.



But you, Stephen have an obssessive hatred of The Mccanns for some reason.  Why dont you set up a group aimed at stopping all the thousands of parents that are truly irresponsible?

It's really about time you grew up sadie, and learn to differentiate between hatred and contempt.

As to you, you're obsession with supporting the parents of two parents who repeatedly neglected their children has been NOTED.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 15, 2014, 11:09:08 AM
http://theportugalnews.com/news/madeleine-two-british-expats-set-to-be-declared-suspects/33200

Madeleine – Two British expats set to be declared suspects
by Brendan de Beer, in News · 13-11-2014 17:56:00 · 0 Comments

Sources close to the investigation involving the search for missing British toddler Madeleine McCann have this week told The Portugal News two British expats are set to be declared formal suspects or arguidos. Another two Britons will be called in as witnesses.

http://theportugalnews.com/uploads/news/page6_22.jpg
 (http://theportugalnews.com/uploads/news/page6_22.jpg)

Dates for questioning have been confirmed as being from November 24 to 28 at the PJ police headquarters in Faro.
Sources said the questioning of suspects was unlikely to stretch beyond this period.
The Portugal News revealed last week (6 November) that the Metropolitan Police were keen to speak to a number of British expats in the Algarve.
Any new requests will have to come in the form of a new international letter of request.

Sources said there are 11 people of interest, of which seven will be declared arguidos, and four will be heard as witnesses.
There are two Britons in each of these groups.
The two British witnesses are a couple (a man and a woman), but the two British suspects are said to be not related in any way and are both men.
The seven suspects do not include any of the four arguidos, all of whom are Portuguese nationals, questioned over the summer.

The Brits were all resident in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and have remained here since, sources said.

The theory that Madeleine was abducted by someone passing through, remains a scenario which Portuguese police continue to believe to be among the most probable.

Portuguese police had earlier this summer ruled out Cape Verdean national Euclides Monteiro, who died in 2009, of any involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance.
Police sources confirmed that Monteiro had been the primary reason behind the case’s reopening here in Portugal last October, but subsequent
investigations removed any suspicion over Monteiro.

The news of the exact dates for the questioning of new
suspects comes after the new Public Prosecutor in Portimão, Inês Sequeira, gave the green light to a fifth international Letter of Request received from British authorities
in August.

Police sources here meanwhile said that they had not yet received an official request from Scotland Yard to sit in on interrogations, but said this feature of the investigation was a mere formality.
British girl Madeleine McCann went missing from
an apartment in the Ocean Club resort, Praia da Luz in May 2007, then aged three, sparking an unprecedented
international hunt which has lost little impetus in the more than seven years since her
disappearance.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 15, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
This continued practise by the Brit press of referring to arguidos as official suspects must cease. Most people who have followed this case understand that the law changed in 2007 which gives certain rights to anyone being questioned by police.  Arguido status can be invoked by anyone who is aware that are to be questioned by police, it is a right and not an indicator of guilt.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 15, 2014, 12:57:11 PM
The latest news is that Redwood and his merry men are on their way back to Luz to destroy the Christmas atmosphere just as they did in the summer.  If you consider the number of people who are being questioned most if not all of them have had nothing to do with Madeleine but the fact that they are being hauled in for questioning at all will have adverse consequences for them in their own community.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 15, 2014, 01:02:54 PM
The latest news is that Redwood and his merry men are on their way back to Luz to destroy the Christmas atmosphere just as they did in the summer.  If you consider the number of people who are being questioned most if not all of them have had nothing to do with Madeleine but the fact that they are being hauled in for questioning at all will have adverse consequences for them in their own community.

it can only have an adverse affect if their community think they are involved and think SY are on the right track
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on November 15, 2014, 01:29:35 PM
The latest news is that Redwood and his merry men are on their way back to Luz to destroy the Christmas atmosphere just as they did in the summer.  If you consider the number of people who are being questioned most if not all of them have had nothing to do with Madeleine but the fact that they are being hauled in for questioning at all will have adverse consequences for them in their own community.

I agree. I also believe that if the community knew who was responsible for any criminality they would not protect the person/s.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 15, 2014, 02:10:09 PM
Interesting story, let's have a look at how the  Portugal resident reported it yesterday.


Madeleine: The “Global Obsession” will be aired on Tuesday 18 November on Ch5

Portugal resident
13 Nov 2914

By NATASHA DONN

Perfectly timed to coincide with new stories coming out of UK pointing to British expats now in the eye of investigators, a new documentary promising to retrace the final hours leading up to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is due to be aired on British television on Tuesday night at 7pm. Easily accessible to expats with or without satellite connections to UK, “A Global Obsession” will be presented by former journalist-turned-PR man-turned-lunchtime-TV-editor Martin Frizell. Frizell, currently in charge of ITV’s lunchtime show Loose Women, is due to bring “exclusive insight” on “how a family's worst nightmare became breaking news and turned into one of the biggest stories of all time”.

A press release on the programme airing on Channel 5 explains Frizell’s motivation. He asks: "So why is Madeleine McCann still on the front pages all these years on? Sure, the story sells newspapers, it boosts ratings but it's because of you. You want to know. Whether it's because of your cynicism of the McCanns and the way they've marketed their daughter, because it's the unsolved mystery, because perhaps it's every parent's worst nightmare or there but for the grace of God go I. Whatever the reason, you'd have to have a cold heart indeed not to wish closure on this for the McCanns and that story, the eventual discovery of Madeleine will be the biggest yet."

Frizell worked in broadcast journalism for 20 years - for GMTV, Reuters, Sky News and ITV - before turning to PR last year as an executive director at GolinHarris, and then returning to TV broadcasting 18 months later. Since joining the Loose Women show he has reportedly been on a cost-cutting cull, causing a certain degree of discontent. The Daily Mirror wrote in July: "Martin is blaming everyone but himself for the show going down the pan. Nobody has a clue what they’re doing since he took over.”

Tragically, the Channel 5 press release also shows how other parents of missing children have hardly benefited from media exposure at all. Daniel Entwistle, for example, was a seven year old who went out to buy sweets in 2003, and was never seen again. Father David said afterwards: "They got Daniel on camera going past the garage and that's the last sight of him." After the initial media interest, stories about Daniel were quietly dropped, and 11 years on he has still not been found, says the release. Madeleine McCann.

A Global Obsession will go on air days before Scotland Yard detectives are due back in Portugal to interview seven new suspects, among whom are understood to be two British men and a British woman.

http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-the-%E2%80%9Cglobal-obsession%E2%80%9D-to-be-aired-on-tuesday#sthash.xwqwkDLg.dpuf
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-Is this journalist psychic or has she read someone's script?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 15, 2014, 04:08:52 PM
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-Is this journalist psychic or has she read someone's script?

Not sure what you mean. If it concerns the bolded part in your post, she was quoting Frizell.

I hadn't realised that she's now writing for the Portugal Resident.

I suppose anyone interested could ask her here as she's a member.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=503

ETA: The Portugal Resident doesn't appear to be the same outlet as the Portugal News, AFAIK.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 15, 2014, 04:23:45 PM
Not sure what you mean. If it concerns the bolded part in your post, she was quoting Frizell.

I hadn't realised that she's now writing for the Portugal Resident.

I suppose anyone interested could ask her here as she's a member.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=503

It explains the inaccurate and baised stories coming out of the resident
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 15, 2014, 04:27:40 PM
It explains the inaccurate and baised stories coming out of the resident

I wouldn't lump everyone in the same basket.

I have no problem with Brendan. He seems to be professional and neutral as a journalist should be.

ETA: To avoid confusion, Brendan writes for the Portugal News (and freelances for the Guardian). 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 15, 2014, 06:58:04 PM
Not sure what you mean. If it concerns the bolded part in your post, she was quoting Frizell.

I hadn't realised that she's now writing for the Portugal Resident.

I suppose anyone interested could ask her here as she's a member.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=profile;area=showposts;u=503

ETA: The Portugal Resident doesn't appear to be the same outlet as the Portugal News, AFAIK.


Sorry, my mistake. It is a strange remark for Frizell to have made in the current circumstances.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 16, 2014, 11:06:42 AM


I find it interesting though that SY are still looking at the burglary gone wrong theory.

Why would 3 people who know the area really well want to burglarise on their own doorstep, and not only that, why end of April/beginning of May, when it was still all very quiet and not a lot of people milling about. So surely their presence hanging around apartments would have been noted...?

Wouldnt they be better of burglarising away from their area and choose a time when its really busy and full of tourists, tourists with money....I am sure a lot of people who choose to go out of season do so because its cheaper to do so would that indicate they are less likely to be stashing jewellery, expensive cameras, and laptops in their apartments for anyone to steal? 

I just find it all odd that 3 burglars would be bothered with slim pickings and the chance of being seen as the streets were not exactly full of people milling about.

All very odd.......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 16, 2014, 01:12:04 PM
@ Sadie (I think your comment got mixed up with Anna's post).

I'm not sure what's going on with these fresh DNA samples.

- The article could be inaccurate and they are only going to collect DNA samples from those who hadn't given swabs previously.

- DNA wouldn't "go off", AFAIK, but it could become contaminated if not properly collected or degraded if not properly stored. The issue of potential degradation may not be relevant in this instance if the profile had already been established and the INML seems highly professional from what I can gather. If it had become contaminated when collected by the PJ, that would be a different matter.

The legal issues surrounding forensic DNA in PT seem quite complicated. Here's a paper from a well-known Portuguese academic, Helena Machado.

http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/genewatch-forensic-dna/arguido-or-no-the-portuguese-dna-database/




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 16, 2014, 01:24:17 PM
DNA collection could be an issue. A CSI manual for the PJ wasn't even launched until mid 2009.


20 May 2009
PJ Laboratory receives 24 thousand requests per year



by Joana de Belém

The PJ’s Scientific Police Laboratory (SPL) receives one hundred and fifty requests for tests per day, which sum up to two thousand every month. Last year, the SPL received 24 thousand requests. The waiting time “is high”, admits the director of the Scientific Police National Laboratory, where approximately two hundred people work. An “activity that faces the difficulty of the lack of resources and the response within useful time”, says Carlos Farinha.

Nevertheless, the same senior official, who spoke yesterday during the 4th National Congress for Criminology, in Oporto, noted that the Portuguese lab was rated, in an international study whose results were known last week, the sixth best among a total of 71 bodies.

Carlos Farinha also mentioned that the increase in television series like CSI creates some equivocations. “We’re not as good looking as they are, but the main difference is the time notion”, not only as far as test results are concerned but also concerning the data that investigators have access to. “Nobody accesses that much information at the simple touch of a button. Apart from that, if any policeman could access information in that manner, we’d have a big brother, a society without balance between justice and freedom”, the investigator stressed.

Today, at the Polícia Judiciária’s School, in Lisbon, a crime scene practises manual is launched, establishing rules on how to enter, how to mark the investigators’ passage, how to photograph and/or draw a crime scene, among other procedures. “The potentialities in the collection of a certain type of residues are incommensurably different today from what they were years ago”, said Carlos Farinha, according to whom “nowadays the level of collection of elements on location is scarily superior”. Hence, he adds, the need to “reorganise and think about the manner to proceed on a crime scene”.

When questioned about a possible connection between the launch of this manual and the allegedly careless manner how policemen entered, two years ago, into the room of Madeleine McCann – the little English girl that disappeared in the Algarve, in 2007 -, Farrinha asserts that “it’s a reducing perspective”. “I’m not associating this to anything at all”, he concluded.

Presently, the laboratory develops efforts to improve the photofits of missing persons, namely their adjustment to physiognomic changes that take place.

Still during the congress, inspector Jorge Duarte explained the change in the profile of the computer criminal. The first protagonists, in the 90s [the so-called hackers] “weren’t seen as criminals but rather as geniuses, were between 14 and 24 years old, students, generally middle class”. The “social profile has changed, the age has stretched to 34, it includes medium level professionals and re-offenders”, the member of the PJ’s High Technology Criminal Investigation unit explained, adding that, due to the easiness in escaping justice, the number of re-offenders tends to increase over time.

Maria Carneiro, a service chief at the Forensics Medicine Institute, mentioned the few cases of homicidal women. “Women are not as criminal in violent terms as men and the cases where they kill for pleasure are extremely rare”. When that happens, “those are cases of serious psychopathology and generally not imputable”, she concludes.


source: Diário de Notícias, 20.05.2009
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 16, 2014, 01:27:55 PM
@ Sadie (I think your comment got mixed up with Anna's post).

I'm not sure what's going on with these fresh DNA samples.

- The article could be inaccurate and they are only going to collect DNA samples from those who hadn't given swabs previously.

- DNA wouldn't "go off", AFAIK, but it could become contaminated if not properly collected or degraded if not properly stored. The issue of potential degradation may not be relevant in this instance if the profile had already been established and the INML seems highly professional from what I can gather. If it had become contaminated when collected by the PJ, that would be a different matter.

The legal issues surrounding forensic DNA in PT seem quite complicated. Here's a paper from a well-known Portuguese academic, Helena Machado.

http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/genewatch-forensic-dna/arguido-or-no-the-portuguese-dna-database/
Thanks Carana.  Maybe SY think they may be contaminated?  Why else would they want to them again ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 16, 2014, 01:37:23 PM
Thanks Carana.  Maybe SY think they may be contaminated?  Why else would they want to them again ?

That's a possibility, but the other is that the article isn't accurate - i.e., that DNA samples were to be collected from people who hadn't yet been asked to give one. Seeing as it's the Mirror, I find the latter possibility quite plausible.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 17, 2014, 11:29:02 AM
The Inquisitr
 November 16, 2014

Are Madeleine McCann Detectives Quizzing The Right Suspects?


Madeleine McCann vanished over seven years ago, but the investigation surrounding what happened to her is an ongoing endeavor that has cost British taxpayers at least £10 Million (which is more than $15.6 Million in USD). Over the course of the past several years Scotland Yard detectives have interrogated a seemingly countless number of suspects, and the number just keeps growing. The Sunday Express reports that a British gardener is among the expats that detectives have recently quizzed, but he has “strongly denied” any presumed connection to the missing child’s disappearance. The Daily Mail also confirms that the self employed gardener has been questioned by police, but his identity isn’t being revealed through any media reports.

The gardener is one of at least five new potential suspects Scotland Yard has intended to question in regards to Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance. However, he was already questioned in the past, and even cooperated with being DNA swabbed the same year the child vanished. The only DNA ever found in the Algarve apartment where Madeleine disappeared belonged to her and her family members. With SY detectives focusing on so many potential suspects — including a high number of British expats — could they suspect that multiple people are involved with the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann? If multiple people orchestrated and executed the abduction of the little girl, then how have they managed to do so without leaving behind any forensic evidence at the scene of the alleged crime or anywhere else? It seems that officials believe that forensic evidence has been left behind, but up until recently the technology needed to detect it did not exist.

The Mirror reported earlier in October that there are renewed hopes that a presumed captor’s DNA will be found at the source of Madeleine’s disappearance. Forensic experts with Scotland Yard want to use a “new technique” to look for DNA in the curtains that were hanging in the room where the McCann children slept. The curtains have been in sterile storage for the past few years, and agents believe that they are preserved well enough to extract any forensic evidence. They hope that at least traces of a captor’s DNA will be found, but the window itself never showed evidence of an intrusion — just Kate McCann’s fingerprints. This fact was once widely reported by the mainstream media, but is documented on the McCann Files website.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann has drawn mixed feelings from the public, which can be clearly seen by taking a look on social media. The hashtag #McCann on Twitter is active 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with conversation and debate about the case — some of which gets extremely heated. In fact, social media has played a huge role in showing the polarity between those who believe a stranger kidnapped the child versus those who believe that there is evidence against the parents. There are also people who simply believe that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving the little girl alone, and they believe this facilitated the final outcome, whether a stranger kidnapped the girl or not.

While members of the public debate the case, Scotland Yard has apparently cut back on the number of detectives used in Operation Grange. This was announced at the same time that agents declared that they would be interviewing more potential suspects. If the latest developments are connected, what is the strategy? Perhaps investigators believe they are getting closer to the right suspects in the search for Madeleine McCann.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1613738/are-madeleine-mccann-detectives-quizzing-the-right-suspects/



 

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 17, 2014, 01:52:16 PM
The Inquisitr
 November 16, 2014

Are Madeleine McCann Detectives Quizzing The Right Suspects?


Madeleine McCann vanished over seven years ago, but the investigation surrounding what happened to her is an ongoing endeavor that has cost British taxpayers at least £10 Million (which is more than $15.6 Million in USD). Over the course of the past several years Scotland Yard detectives have interrogated a seemingly countless number of suspects, and the number just keeps growing. The Sunday Express reports that a British gardener is among the expats that detectives have recently quizzed, but he has “strongly denied” any presumed connection to the missing child’s disappearance. The Daily Mail also confirms that the self employed gardener has been questioned by police, but his identity isn’t being revealed through any media reports.

The gardener is one of at least five new potential suspects Scotland Yard has intended to question in regards to Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance. However, he was already questioned in the past, and even cooperated with being DNA swabbed the same year the child vanished. The only DNA ever found in the Algarve apartment where Madeleine disappeared belonged to her and her family members. With SY detectives focusing on so many potential suspects — including a high number of British expats — could they suspect that multiple people are involved with the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann? If multiple people orchestrated and executed the abduction of the little girl, then how have they managed to do so without leaving behind any forensic evidence at the scene of the alleged crime or anywhere else? It seems that officials believe that forensic evidence has been left behind, but up until recently the technology needed to detect it did not exist.

The Mirror reported earlier in October that there are renewed hopes that a presumed captor’s DNA will be found at the source of Madeleine’s disappearance. Forensic experts with Scotland Yard want to use a “new technique” to look for DNA in the curtains that were hanging in the room where the McCann children slept. The curtains have been in sterile storage for the past few years, and agents believe that they are preserved well enough to extract any forensic evidence. They hope that at least traces of a captor’s DNA will be found, but the window itself never showed evidence of an intrusion — just Kate McCann’s fingerprints. This fact was once widely reported by the mainstream media, but is documented on the McCann Files website.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann has drawn mixed feelings from the public, which can be clearly seen by taking a look on social media. The hashtag #McCann on Twitter is active 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with conversation and debate about the case — some of which gets extremely heated. In fact, social media has played a huge role in showing the polarity between those who believe a stranger kidnapped the child versus those who believe that there is evidence against the parents. There are also people who simply believe that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving the little girl alone, and they believe this facilitated the final outcome, whether a stranger kidnapped the girl or not.

While members of the public debate the case, Scotland Yard has apparently cut back on the number of detectives used in Operation Grange. This was announced at the same time that agents declared that they would be interviewing more potential suspects. If the latest developments are connected, what is the strategy? Perhaps investigators believe they are getting closer to the right suspects in the search for Madeleine McCann.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1613738/are-madeleine-mccann-detectives-quizzing-the-right-suspects/

Thanks, Anna.

I find the article (whatever happened to bylines?) to be neutral in tone, but some of the extrapolation is based on a mistaken assumption of fact:

The only DNA ever found in the Algarve apartment where Madeleine disappeared belonged to her and her family members.

That is not true. It's therefore misleading, although quite possibly unintentionally so.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 17, 2014, 07:39:27 PM
.....The story changes again..

Algarve Daily News

British expat questioned by police in Madeline investigation

 Created: 16 November 2014

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An Algarve-based British expat has been questioned in Faro by Portuguese and British police about his movements on the evening when Madeleine McCann disappeared from an apartament in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The British man is alleged to have been working near the holiday apartment rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and had given a statement to police at the time of the original investigation.

Police are focusing on the hours between 7pm to 9.30pm as Madeleine’s parents dined with friends at the Ocean Club after their children, Madeleine and her then two-year old brothers, had been put to bed.

The gardener/handyman has been interviewed by British and Portuguese police officers in Faro.

The interviewee has lived in the Algarve for over ten years and denies he has any useful knowledge of events on that fateful evening.

The man has been questioned before and achieved [sic] reports show that he stated that he had left the resort bar at around 7pm that night. The crucial period is between 9.15pm, when Gerry McCann checked on his children, and 10.00pm when the alarm was raised by his wife.

The gardener lived in Praia da Luz until 2006 and gave a DNA sample to Portuguese police at the time of interview in 2007.

Operation Grange has identified seven ‘new’ suspects in the case, this man being one of them, whom police believe may have vital information.


A British woman is on the new list of arguidos, as are four men from Portugal and a woman possibly from Eastern Europe. All have been asked to give DNA samples and have been or will be interviewed as officers carefully go oevr every piece of old evidence in the case that still has police and the public quite baffled.

These interviews follow a forensic review in which British experts were unable find any DNA match with strands of hair kept as evidence during the original police investigation.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2014, 08:04:28 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-forced-delay-4650864

More delay in Madeleine's case ... Unbelievable!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2014, 08:10:06 PM
If British detectives are not going to give a running commentary, which helpful source  has this information come from? They weren't going to do any actual questioning anyway, so i don't suppose their presence is essential.

Just noticed - "A new date for the interviews has not been set - and they are now unlikely to happen this year."


No sense of urgency then. Clearly not really important.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2014, 08:20:02 PM
This too!
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We have never officially confirmed when we are going out and we're not going to give a running commentary on this case."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 18, 2014, 08:22:37 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-forced-delay-4650864

More delay in Madeleine's case ... Unbelievable!

IMO there are people on that list the Portuguese do not want questioned. The status of each individual must surely have already been clarified before permission to question was granted in response to the ILOR.
Let's hope Redwood postpones his retirement plans.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2014, 08:36:24 PM
Bearing in mind what the press are like maybe they guessed, erroneously, it was all happening next week and now they have worked out it isn't. What better than to make up another story showing Johnny Foreigner in a bad light.

Well when I was a student in the days of "real universities" the Daily Express was renowned for printing opposing headlines in the space of a few days so it could always say "The Express was right again". Obviously believing its readers had a poor recollection.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2014, 08:36:35 PM
The two legal systems are different. SY seem to have difficult understanding that they have to comply with Portuguese legal requirements.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 18, 2014, 08:43:44 PM
Wot no comment on Mr Frizzell's prog. ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 18, 2014, 08:44:29 PM
The two legal systems are different. SY seem to have difficult understanding that they have to comply with Portuguese legal requirements.

They've already questioned the gardener, according to the press - and possibly a British lady too?
If their status was confirmed, I fail to see why the status of the others is in dispute.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 18, 2014, 08:45:55 PM
Wot no comment on Mr Frizzell's prog. ?

It lost all credibility when they broadcast the date of the holiday incorrectly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2014, 08:49:00 PM
They've already questioned the gardener, according to the press - and possibly a British lady too?
If their status was confirmed, I fail to see why the status of the others is in dispute.


Quite. You would expect that it would all have been sorted out before they considered making the trip.
Perhaps these witnesses/people of interest aren't of such interest after all, hence the lack of urgency
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 18, 2014, 08:54:32 PM

Quite. You would expect that it would all have been sorted out before they considered making the trip.
Perhaps these witnesses/people of interest aren't of such interest after all, hence the lack of urgency

I will hazard a guess that the police in Faro/Portimao who will be conducting the interviews haven't received all the necessary paperwork.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 18, 2014, 11:13:41 PM
IMO there are people on that list the Portuguese do not want questioned. The status of each individual must surely have already been clarified before permission to question was granted in response to the ILOR.
Let's hope Redwood postpones his retirement plans.

I can smell a scandal. Maybe there was something obvious missed back in 2007 and this would make them look bad..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2014, 11:21:41 PM
I can smell a scandal. Maybe there was something obvious missed back in 2007 and this would make them look bad..

Or perhaps it's just that rules are rules........even Portuguesr ones !!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 18, 2014, 11:27:47 PM
Or perhaps it's just that rules are rules........even Portuguesr ones !!

Perhaps somebody wants the libel judge to ...ahem....cast her judgement before these witnesses/arguidos are interviewed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on November 19, 2014, 09:09:51 AM
Perhaps somebody wants the libel judge to ...ahem....cast her judgement before these witnesses/arguidos are interviewed.
Yep, or maybe there is someone VERY important, with even more important connections being questioned?  Could it be that pressure from above is being put on the lady in charge of the case? 

Maybe she is ... ahem ... sick because she is refusing to do as they say

Ah, I see misty got there before me.  8((()*/

IMO there are people on that list the Portuguese do not want questioned. The status of each individual must surely have already been clarified before permission to question was granted in response to the ILOR.
Let's hope Redwood postpones his retirement plans.

And maybe they are hoping Redwood will retire first ? .... maybe they can get their own man in to take over ?  Cos almost certainly they will have senior men in every establishment

.... such is the might of the people that seem to be behind it all.  IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2014, 11:35:37 AM
Seems Murat is going to be questioned again, but this time as a witness, by SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 19, 2014, 11:41:30 AM
19 November 2014 at 11:09am
Madeleine McCann investigation: Robert Murat 'to be questioned again'
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EMMA MURPHY SENIOR CORRESPONDENT
 PA Wire
Robert Murat is one of seven people to be identified as a 'person of interest'. Credit: PA Wire
Robert Murat is expected to be questioned again in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, ITV News understands.

Speaking to ITV News this morning, Mr Murat confirmed that he had only learned of the news through Portuguese media reports.

Portuguese newspapers today published claims that Murat will be spoken to in the coming weeks.

This has also been confirmed to ITV News sources.

Murat won substantial libel damages from a number of media outlets after he was named as an arguido or suspect in the case in 2007.

He has always denied any involvement.

Murat is said to be one of seven people to be spoken to as a "person of interest".

His wife, Michaela Walczuck, and her former husband, Luis Antonio, are also understood to be on a list of people identified to give statements to the inquiry run by British police.

The people of interest and four witnesses were expected to be questioned in Faro next week.

However, due to legal difficulties those interviews have now been postponed.
Last updated Wed 19 Nov 2014
MADELEINE MCCANN
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 11:43:25 AM
Seems Murat is going to be questioned again, but this time as a witness, by SY.

I wouldn't take that as gospel:

Speaking to ITV News this morning, Mr Murat confirmed that he had only learned of the news through Portuguese media reports.

Portuguese newspapers today published claims that Murat will be spoken to in the coming weeks.

This has also been confirmed to ITV News sources.


Hmmmmm!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2014, 11:44:01 AM
Jornal de Notícias - paper edition/e-paper

(Translated by Astro)

The English again investigate the first arguido in the Maddie case

by Marisa Rodrigues
19.11.2014

Robert Murat is again investigated in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. This time, he is one of the seven persons that Scotland Yard has asked to be heard due to considering that they are “of special interest”.

Robert’s wife, Michaela Walczuch, and her former husband, Luís António, are also on the list of people that have been identified to give a statement within the scope of the fifth letter rogatory of the case that is being investigated in the United Kingdom. A list that has already been given the green light by the Public Ministry (MP) and that was sent to the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) in the South for execution. The three know Sergey Malinka, a Russian citizen that has been made an arguido in July, on request from British authorities in a previous letter rogatory.

Robert was the first arguido within the Portuguese process, followed by Kate and Gerry McCann. He ended up being cleared of all suspicions. The German-Portuguese woman and her former companion were witnesses in the Portuguese investigation. The other names on the list of seven persons of interest are a Portuguese man who worked at the Ocean Club, a man who resembles one of the e-fits and a British couple. Apart from the interrogations, the magistrate at the Public Ministry in Portimão, Inês Sequeira, has also authorised the questioning of witnesses.

The seven interrogations and the four questionings were scheduled to take place next week, at the PJ in Faro, with set dates and times. But the investigators have, in the meantime, received a request for a change of the fifth letter rogatory, at a stage when it was about to be fulfilled, which led to the postponement of the diligences, which will have to be rescheduled. The process status of each one of the persons may also be subject to change. The request will now be analysed by the prosecutor in Portimão, who is on sick leave, which means it’s uncertain when the new calendar for the diligences will be known.

Robert Murat, a British citizen who went to school in Portugal, commands both languages and served as an interpreter in several diligences that were performed by GNR officers, and later by PJ inspectors. He even postponed a flight to England, at the PJ’s request, in order to continue his service. A constant presence that a journalist considered to be suspicious, comparing Robert to the case of a suspect that was always at the crime scene and close to the police. Later on, the group with which the McCann couple spent their holidays pointed the finger at him, identifying him as the man that some said they saw carrying a child on the night of the 3rd of May.

The British man ended up being made an arguido eleven days after the disappearance. The house where he lived with his mother, just metres away from the Ocean Club, was subject to searches, holes were opened in the ground, using sophisticated technology, looking for traces of the child, and vehicles and computers were inspected, always without finding any clues. The absence of indicia about what happened to Madeleine led to the inquiry being archived, in 2008. Upon proposal from the PJ, it was reopened in October last year.


Seven years of moving forward and backwards:

May 2007 – Madeleine, aged 3, disappears from the Ocean Club apartment in the Algarve
May 2007 – Robert Murat is made an arguido and questioned by the PJ
May [sic] 2007 – Kate and Gerry McCann are made arguidos and questioned by the PJ
July 2008 - The inquiry is archived by the Public Ministry
October 2013 - The inquiry is reopened
June 2014 – Searches on grounds in praia da Luz are performed upon request from the British police, led by detective Andy Redwood and using means that are brought in from England, including radars and sniffer dogs
July 2014 – the first four arguidos are made within the British investigation
August 2014 – the fifth letter rogatory arrives at the Public Ministry in Portimão


The Scotland Yard’s investigation that was opened in 2011 has already cost 10 million euro
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 19, 2014, 11:45:54 AM
"person of special interest" = arguido does it not?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2014, 11:51:06 AM
"person of special interest" = arguido does it not?

Yes.  So is Robert Murat an Arguido again?  Or is this just more Media rubbish?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 19, 2014, 11:51:16 AM
"person of special interest" = arguido does it not?

"special person of interest"= handicapped arguido?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 11:55:15 AM
When Portuguese secrecy laws work as they should, a tidal wave of media speculation is simply not commented on by police.

Neither do leaks stem from the police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 19, 2014, 11:56:40 AM
I very much doubt this is a story made up by the media.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on November 19, 2014, 12:45:45 PM
Madeleine McCann: Ex-suspect Murat 'faces new questions'
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-30115913
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/51606000/jpg/_51606573_fa1d16c0-9c6c-4f82-b0b8-ab66ddd94f78.jpg)
Police investigating the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann are to question former suspect Robert Murat, the BBC has learned.
British police are due to travel to Portugal to sit in on the questioning of eleven people of interest.

A source close to the case has told the BBC that two of the eleven are Mr Murat and his wife.


Mr Murat was named as an arguido, or, suspect, in the case in 2007 but was later cleared by Portuguese police.

He won substantial damages from various media organisations and has always denied any involvement in Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, was three when she went missing from her family's holiday apartment on 3 May 2007...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 19, 2014, 12:50:21 PM
Well if the BBC are reporting it it MUST be true!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 19, 2014, 12:51:33 PM
I very much doubt this is a story made up by the media.

It's in the Guardian, so it must be correct.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/19/madeleine-mccann-police-robert-murat


    News
    UK news
    Madeleine McCann

Madeleine McCann police to re-interview Robert Murat
British expatriate in Portugal listed by Scotland Yard as one of four witnesses for questioning says he will cooperate with inquiry

   

    Brendan de Beer and Josh Halliday   
    The Guardian, Wednesday 19 November 2014 12.02 GMT   

Robert Murat Robert Murat outside London's high court after winning libel damages in 2008. Photograph: Max Nash/AP

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are set to re-interview Robert Murat, the British expatriate who was first questioned by police when the three-year-old went missing in 2007.

Murat has been identified as one of four witnesses to whom detectives want to speak after Scotland Yard reopened its investigation into the case.

Speaking to the Guardian from his home in Portugal on Tuesday, Murat said neither he nor his lawyer had been contacted by the police but he would cooperate. “My conscience is clear and I have no problem speaking to police again,” he said.

Asked whether he was concerned about facing yet another interrogation, he replied: “I have more important things to worry about, like running my business, paying my taxes and I also need to paint my house.”

Murat, an IT consultant on the Algarve, was the first person to be declared an arguido, or suspect, during the high-profile police search seven years ago. He was never arrested over Madeleine’s disappearance, and he later won several hundreds of thousands of pounds in libel damages from British newspapers.

A source close to the investigation told the Guardian on Wednesday that Murat had been listed as one of four witnesses by the Metropolitan police.

A spokeswoman for Scotland Yard said the force would not give a running commentary on the inquiry.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 19, 2014, 12:53:44 PM
So we're back to where Goncalo Amaral was in May 2007. Be interesting what comes next if these are cleared. But the pool man is there who did St James resort. Somebody else was also seen there.

18 May 2007 - to obtain past call history for, and to monitor future calls on two telephones re LA.

"When they left at 20:20 LUIS was not at home."

around 19h30 and went to his next client, Anabela
Valente, Lote 45, near the Private Hospital S. Goncalo de Lagos.

Questioned about the number of telephone calls received daily he responded
that it is usual for him to always be on his mobile phone responding to clients,
suppliers and family members.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 12:56:26 PM
I very much doubt this is a story made up by the media.

If it is actually true (that is, the story) and the first Murat learnt is from the media, we are right back to where we were when Amaral was co-ordinator ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 19, 2014, 01:07:00 PM
If it is actually true (that is, the story) and the first Murat learnt is from the media, we are right back to where we were when Amaral was co-ordinator ...

.....except back then, Murat hadn't received a substantial sum in libel damages...considerably more than somebody else......
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 01:09:24 PM
.....except back then, Murat hadn't received a substantial sum in libel damages...considerably more than somebody else......

I mean more in terms of leaks that reflect actual police thinking ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on November 19, 2014, 01:09:52 PM
Very interesting developments. I seem to remember 3 members of Tapas group saying that they saw Murat on the night in question, but his mum provides an alibi. Sorry to dig back in the past, but is this even true or Chinese whispers?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 01:12:35 PM
Very interesting developments. I seem to remember 3 members of Tapas group saying that they saw Murat on the night in question, but his mum provides an alibi. Sorry to dig back in the past, but is this even true or Chinese whispers?

I fervently hope this is isn't a development.

Or, if it is, then the news has been broken in entirely the wrong way.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on November 19, 2014, 01:14:34 PM
Why do you hope it isn't a development? Any development is good imo. Personally, I just think this is SY tying up loose ends. Pure guessing obviously..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 01:17:39 PM
Why do you hope it isn't a development? Any development is good imo. Personally, I just think this is SY tying up loose ends. Pure guessing obviously..

My concern is not in progress that leads to the ultimate solving of the crime; rather in the way information is released into the public domain.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 19, 2014, 01:18:15 PM
I fervently hope this is isn't a development.

Or, if it is, then the news has been broken in entirely the wrong way.

As I posted yesterday, there is someone (or more than one) on that list the Portuguese don't want questioned.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 19, 2014, 01:26:38 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30115913

Mr Murat to be questioned again allegedly; with the usual "we are not giving a running commentary" caveat
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on November 19, 2014, 01:29:20 PM
Ha i won my bet with my husband, i said I bet SY go back to Murat and his wife......what comes around goes around. Not that i think he has anything to do with it, but was surprised he wasnt on the first wave of people they wanted to talk to as witnesses at least. After all he was made an aquido at the time.

No surprises for me anyway. So if they are going this route, then i dont see any resolution for the child, as he was checked extensively in 2008.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 19, 2014, 01:47:44 PM
Ha i won my bet with my husband, i said I bet SY go back to Murat and his wife......what comes around goes around. Not that i think he has anything to do with it, but was surprised he wasnt on the first wave of people they wanted to talk to as witnesses at least. After all he was made an aquido at the time.

No surprises for me anyway. So if they are going this route, then i dont see any resolution for the child, as he was checked extensively in 2008.

I agree, the whole idea that Murat would shit in his own back garden is frankly preposterous.  Like so many others I think he was naive to think he could help and not become embroiled in what was a very serious matter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 19, 2014, 02:04:51 PM
I agree, the whole idea that Murat would shit in his own back garden is frankly preposterous.  Like so many others I think he was naive to think he could help and not become embroiled in what was a very serious matter.
I don't think Murat dunnit but then I do think that it's likely Madeleine was taken by a local and is still within the PdL environs - does this count as shitting in one's own back garden? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 19, 2014, 02:14:48 PM
I don't think Murat dunnit but then I do think that it's likely Madeleine was taken by a local and is still within the PdL environs - does this count as shitting in one's own back garden?

More likely an outsider possibly with local connections.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 19, 2014, 02:19:46 PM
More likely an outsider possibly with local connections.
Why is that more likely?  I agree it's possible but I suppose it depends whether or not you believe it was a planned or opportunist abduction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on November 19, 2014, 04:42:17 PM
I thought you cannot be an arguido twice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2014, 05:15:29 PM
I thought you cannot be an arguido twice.

Murat is to be heard as a witness not an arguido.

Which begs the question, what exactly do SY think Murat witnessed ? Could it be the setting up of him as a patsy by the friends of the McCanns perhaps ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 19, 2014, 05:20:47 PM
Murat is to be heard as a witness not an arguido.

Which begs the question, what exactly do SY think Murat witnessed ? Could it be the setting up of him as a patsy by the friends of the McCanns perhaps ?

They might, just, be dotting some "i's" and crossing some "t's" about his whereabouts on the night ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2014, 05:27:36 PM
They might, just, be dotting some "i's" and crossing some "t's" about his whereabouts on the night ...

They might........but then again they might not !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 19, 2014, 05:36:42 PM
I cannot be bothered to post the whole schmeer as I posted the Beeb link above so snipped out of context and the usual baloney the usual suspects will accuse me of, cop a noss at selected highlights:

Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann are to question former suspect Robert Murat, the BBC has learned.

A source close to the case has told the BBC that Mr Murat, one of 11 people being interviewed by officers in Portugal, will be treated as a witness.

Speaking to the BBC from the Algarve, Mr Murat said neither he nor his lawyer had received a formal request to appear, but said he "would do so freely".

Nevertheless if two police forces re-investigating the case are doing their job diligently should we be surprised that they may wish to interview Mr Murat and even T9. After all they are a trifle more relevant as witnesses than smelly binmen or Posh Spice lookylikeys would you not say?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 19, 2014, 05:51:57 PM
I cannot be bothered to post the whole schmeer as I posted the Beeb link above so snipped out of context and the usual baloney the usual suspects will accuse me of, cop a noss at selected highlights:

Portuguese police investigating the disappearance of British girl Madeleine McCann are to question former suspect Robert Murat, the BBC has learned.

A source close to the case has told the BBC that Mr Murat, one of 11 people being interviewed by officers in Portugal, will be treated as a witness.

Speaking to the BBC from the Algarve, Mr Murat said neither he nor his lawyer had received a formal request to appear, but said he "would do so freely".

Nevertheless if two police forces re-investigating the case are doing their job diligently should we be surprised that they may wish to interview Mr Murat and even T9. After all they are a trifle more relevant as witnesses than smelly binmen or Posh Spice lookylikeys would you not say?

I would say that SY know who they think are relevant witnesses
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on November 19, 2014, 06:54:49 PM
Murats name keep popping up again an again..one does wonder ? about the very first suspect in the case .. &%+((£
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on November 19, 2014, 06:58:50 PM
Murats name keep popping up again an again..one does wonder ? about the very first suspect in the case .. &%+((£

and who looks like Robert Murat ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2014, 06:59:46 PM
All sorts of people by the sounds of it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on November 19, 2014, 07:00:02 PM
I would say that SY know who they think are relevant witnesses

Isn't that roughly what I said?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on November 19, 2014, 07:02:19 PM
and who looks like Robert Murat ?

Angus Symington!!!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lizzibif on November 19, 2014, 07:04:15 PM
and who looks like Robert Murat ?

don't know and don't care who he looks like Stephen ..Im curious why murat keeps popping up ..no smoke without fire  &%+((£
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 19, 2014, 07:05:05 PM
Madeleine world exclusive: 'Bring them all back to Portugal’

By: James MurrayPublished: Sun, May 5, 2013

Mr Murat, who was cleared as a suspect, said: “They need to start from the beginning.” So far the two-year review by more than 20 detectives in London has not led to a breakthrough.

Mr Murat, 39, spoke to the Sunday Express while sipping tea in Casa ­Liliana, his elderly mother Jenny’s villa 150 yards from apartment 5a of the Ocean Club where Madeleine vanished.

He said: “They need to speak to everybody, including myself, and they need to get the Portuguese involved in a much more constructive way.

“To get somewhere now they need to have a joint team working here together in Praia da Luz. This is where it happened. It didn’t happen in England.

“The reconstruction should cover the critical period just before and after the abduction.”

He said: “A reconstruction is a real necessity. I am sure it would fill in some of the missing pieces of the jigsaw. Even now after all this time, the timeline is still confused.”

Despite his ordeal he believes Madeleine’s fate should be uppermost in everybody’s minds as another anniversary passes.

He said: “You cannot lose sight of the fact that a child was taken and we need to know what happened to her.”

He is still willing to be interviewed by the review team, which has made no effort to contact him. “I have no problem with that whatsoever,” he said emphatically.

“I am available to help on the proper legal basis. I think everybody who was around at that time, holidaymakers and people at the Ocean Club, should be interviewed again. The timeline needs to be made crystal clear because there is still so much confusion, such a mess.”

Asked if he thought Madeleine’s fate would ever be known, he brushed back his thick dark brown hair, rubbed his tanned chin and said: “I hope so, I believe it will come out one day.”

When the original police investigation was at its height, he bumped into a British man, Steve Carpenter, who persuaded him to meet the McCanns because they needed his language skills. He said: “I met Gerry and said: ‘I don’t know what to say, there is nothing I can say but I do speak Portuguese and English and I will help in any way I can’.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/397244/Madeleine-world-exclusive-Bring-them-all-back-to-Portugal

Gerry wouldn't speak or do a TIMELINE reconstruction. You must be mad Murat to think such a thing!

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2014, 09:58:39 PM


This time, if the Portuguese prosecutor shows the same even-handedness as first time, the present joint investigation will need to demonstrate that they have constructed a sound case against anyone they ultimately accuse, or the prosecutors will (rightly) give this investigation the same, short shrift they gave the first one ...

Oh I agree completely ferryman   8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on November 20, 2014, 12:18:04 PM
Daily Express

Expat Robert Murat: Maddy police wanting to interview me is ‘fantasy land’

BUSINESSMAN Robert Murat yesterday dismissed claims he is set to be interviewed again about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as “fantasyland.”

By: Gerard Couzens, Tracey Kandohla and John Twomey
Published: Thu, November 20, 2014

Image
TIM CLARKE
Robert Murat today in Praia de Luz

The British-born property developer insisted he has had no advanced warning of a proposed witness interview next week.

Mr Murat spoke after a leading Portuguese newspaper alleged Scotland Yard detectives have requested for him to be re-interviewed.

Detectives first questioned him after three-year-old Madeleine vanished from the family apartment in a holiday resort in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in 2007.

At the time, Portuguese police officials described him as an arguido or “suspect”. But he was never arrested or charged with any offence.

After months of protesting his innocence, his arguido status was removed in 2008.

Yesterday he said: “At the moment, the situation is I haven’t been informed about anything. I really can’t say anything about it.

“All I know is I haven’t had anything official. No comment. It’s all just fantasy land.”

Francisco Pagarete, Mr Murat’s lawyer, said he was aware of the Portuguese newspaper report.

He added: “My client has not received anything from the authorities.”

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PA
Robert Murat was quizzed after 2007 disappearance of Madeleine


"All I know is I haven’t had anything official it’s all just fantasy land."
Mr Murat


The Jornal de Noticias claimed Mr Murat is named on a list of witnesses whom Scotland Yard has asked the Portuguese police to interview again.

Yard detectives have sat in on interviews as part of Operation Grange – the Metropolitan Police’s multi-million pound investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance.

After Yard officers supervised the digging up of areas around the holiday resort, Mr Murat said: “Unfortunately, I’ll always be linked to it.

“It’s always going to have an effect on me because peoples’s opinions of what happened are so varied. I was cleared of everything right back in 2008 but the fact is that in some people’s mind there’s still going to be a link.

“So finding out the truth of what happened will conclusively take me out of that.

“It’s really important that something does happen and they do find out what happened.”

Mr Murat, 40, who grew up in Devon, lives in Lagos, a 10-minute drive from Praia da Luz. He has previously said that he should be re-quizzed by police.

He said: “They need to speak to everybody, including myself. I have no problem with that whatsoever. And they need to get the Portuguese involved in a much more constructive way.

“To get somewhere now, they need to have a joint team working here together in Praia da Luz.”

Yesterday, a Scotland Yard spokesman declined to comment on the article in the Jornal de Noticias.

He said: “We refuse to give a running commentary.”

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/537588/Robert-Murat-Madeleine-McCann-police-interview
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on November 20, 2014, 12:26:34 PM
All I know is I haven’t had anything official. No comment.

I've no particular reason to doubt that.

The only reason I can think why Murat would be interviewed is concerning his whereabouts on the night, nothing directly to do with Madeleine's disappearance.

That would be strictly an internal Portuguese matter for them to pursue or not as they see fit.

Maybe that's what's happened, which would also explain why Scotland Yard would refuse to comment.

A strictly internal PJ and Portuguese matter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2014, 12:29:36 PM
I agree with that, though it seems to me that there was never any intention of interviewing him next week, otherwise he would have received notification.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 20, 2014, 12:52:47 PM
'Robert Murat yesterday dismissed claims he is set to be interviewed again about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann as "fantasyland.”'

@)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 21, 2014, 03:57:13 PM
Murat in dispute with the Portuguese police over his status ahead of questioning.

(http://i.imgur.com/zjaxBkw.jpg?1)
20 Nov 2014

Portuguese police's first suspect in the list of people they want to hear is English.
By Rui Gomes Pando

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-11/img_757x426$2014_11_19_22_35_34_418642.jpg)

Robert Murat was among the people of Praia da Luz that most helped in searches to try to find Maddie in the days after the disappearance.

Seven years later, Robert Murat is designated by the British police as a person of interest in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  This British citizen was first suspected by the Portuguese police in 2007, but later acquitted, is included in the list of people that the British asked to interrogate.

The interrogations were scheduled for next week, at the premises of the Judicial Police in Faro, but Robert Murat has not yet been notified.  Robert Murat's attorney Pagaret Francisco told CM, "My client was not notified about anything".   Murat's girlfriend, Michaela Walczuck, and her former companion Luis Antonio are also in the list of people that British police want to hear again.

The proceedings were cancelled as the CM reported yesterday, due to a legal issue, which is precisely related to the circumstances in which Murat will be questioned.  The English police consider him a "person of interest" but that status does not exist in national legislation.  He must be heard as a witness or as a defendant.  The final decision depends on the prosecutor of the Public Ministry of Portimão, who is ill.

www.translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/2014_11_19_murat_sem_aviso_de_interrogatorio.html&prev=search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 21, 2014, 04:38:04 PM
From yesterday's Correio da Manhã


Maddie: interrogations were cancelled!

(http://i.imgur.com/zjaxBkw.jpg?1)
19 Nov 2014

Steps were scheduled for next week, but were postponed due to a legal issue that awaits resolution by the prosecutor.

By Rui Gomes Pando

A legal issue forced the cancellation of the interrogations of eleven people considered of interest by British police in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The inquiries, requested through a fifth rogatory letter sent by the British authorities, were scheduled for next week.  Seven people were due to be heard as witnesses including four defendants.  The CM has found that it will be necessary to make changes to the terms of the rogatory letter,  an aspect which requires that the prosecutor in Portimão to take a new decision.  The problem as the CM discovered is that the magistrate Agnes Sequeira is ill and can only return to work next week.  Only then will she decide the need for change in the legal letter of request which will allow the Judicial Police in Faro to continue interrogations ordered by British authorities.

As the CM had already reported earlier, the list of people who will be interviewed are eleven people, including foreigners and Portuguese.  At least three are British and living in the Algarve.  It was anticipated that seven defendants were established before the interrogation, but these legal conditions are likely to be changed.

Yesterday, the British television channel Channel 5 aired a documentary about the media impact of the Maddie case, when there are hundreds of children disappearing every year.

www.translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/interrogatorios_foram_cancelados.html&prev=search
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 21, 2014, 04:54:58 PM
Murat in dispute with the Portuguese police over his status ahead of questioning.

(http://i.imgur.com/zjaxBkw.jpg?1)
20 Nov 2014

Portuguese police's first suspect in the list of people they want to hear is English.
By Rui Gomes Pando

(http://cdn.cmjornal.xl.pt/2014-11/img_757x426$2014_11_19_22_35_34_418642.jpg)

Robert Murat was among the people of Praia da Luz that most helped in searches to try to find Maddie in the days after the disappearance.

Seven years later, Robert Murat is designated by the British police as a person of interest in investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  This British citizen was first suspected by the Portuguese police in 2007, but later acquitted, is included in the list of people that the British asked to interrogate.

The interrogations were scheduled for next week, at the premises of the Judicial Police in Faro, but Robert Murat has not yet been notified.  Robert Murat's attorney Pagaret Francisco told CM, "My client was not notified about anything".   Murat's girlfriend, Michaela Walczuck, and her former companion Luis Antonio are also in the list of people that British police want to hear again.

The proceedings were cancelled as the CM reported yesterday, due to a legal issue, which is precisely related to the circumstances in which Murat will be questioned.  The English police consider him a "person of interest" but that status does not exist in national legislation.  He must be heard as a witness or as a defendant. The final decision depends on the prosecutor of the Public Ministry of Portimão, who is ill.

www.translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/2014_11_19_murat_sem_aviso_de_interrogatorio.html&prev=search

It seems to be a very inflexible system ... either you're a witness or you're a suspect, with nothing in between.
No wonder we found it difficult to understand the 'arguido' status back in 2007.  A situation Mr Murat will not be eager to repeat.

I would imagine SY would be interested in a face to face interview before deciding if such a drastic step is necessary.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on November 21, 2014, 05:41:47 PM
It was inevitable that there would be a conflict between English and Portuguese law.  However, the case is Portuguese and the questioning is being conducted in Portugal so the Portuguese Penal Code will have to be fully complied with irrespective of whether the persons of interest are witnesses or defendants.

I would think that Mr Murat would milk this situation for all he can.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on November 24, 2014, 09:26:34 AM
Madeleine McCann Update: Is Robert Murat About To Close This Case?


The Madeleine McCann mystery deepens with the revelation that Scotland Yard officials are eyeing Robert Murat as a potential witness. The British expat has been interrogated in the past as a suspect, but The Mirror reports that he denies ever being around her the night she vanished over seven years ago. Now that Murat is being considered a witness, what could happen next in the search for the missing child, and who will end up being suspects in her disappearance?

The Huffington Post also shares the news of this development in Madeleine’s case, but they’ve omitted the fact that he’s a witness from their report. This is likely due to the tension that hovers over U.K. publications regarding the McCann disappearance, and the litigious nature of her parents and others involved in the case. To explain, Murat being a witness — and not a suspect — throws a kink into the theory that Madeleine was kidnapped. That’s made incredibly apparent by the #McCann hashtag on Twitter, as well as the #Murat hashtag, which are both pathways to heated discussion and debate. If Murat witnessed something that proves she was not kidnapped, then that may change the course of this case altogether. So what exactly did Robert Murat witness when the British child vanished?

Back in October, 2007, The Daily Mail reported that Madeleine McCann’s DNA was found in Robert Murat’s home, but only superficial traces were found. This complemented the detective’s theory that the child died in her parents’ rental apartment, only to be moved to a different location later until her body could be disposed of permanently. Similar evidence, in far larger amounts, was found in the McCann apartment, as well as a car that they rented after the girl disappeared.

It’s been over seven years since the girl vanished and since Murat was declared a suspect and quickly cleared of involvement. Since he is being questioned now as a witness, this could very well signal the near end of the case — or at least the investigation into who is responsible for the disappearance. Meanwhile, two people have remained completely silent since the revelation of this explosive news. Madeleine McCann’s parents have been critical of Murat in the past, but now that he’s a possible witness will they change their tune?

 http://www.inquisitr.com/1630212/madeleine-mccann-update-is-robert-murat-about-to-close-this-case/#mQZ1LAvPcAVEyIXx.99
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 24, 2014, 10:31:57 AM
Madeleine McCann Update: Is Robert Murat About To Close This Case?


The Madeleine McCann mystery deepens with the revelation that Scotland Yard officials are eyeing Robert Murat as a potential witness. The British expat has been interrogated in the past as a suspect, but The Mirror reports that he denies ever being around her the night she vanished over seven years ago. Now that Murat is being considered a witness, what could happen next in the search for the missing child, and who will end up being suspects in her disappearance?

The Huffington Post also shares the news of this development in Madeleine’s case, but they’ve omitted the fact that he’s a witness from their report. This is likely due to the tension that hovers over U.K. publications regarding the McCann disappearance, and the litigious nature of her parents and others involved in the case. To explain, Murat being a witness — and not a suspect — throws a kink into the theory that Madeleine was kidnapped. That’s made incredibly apparent by the #McCann hashtag on Twitter, as well as the #Murat hashtag, which are both pathways to heated discussion and debate. If Murat witnessed something that proves she was not kidnapped, then that may change the course of this case altogether. So what exactly did Robert Murat witness when the British child vanished?

Back in October, 2007, The Daily Mail reported that Madeleine McCann’s DNA was found in Robert Murat’s home, but only superficial traces were found. This complemented the detective’s theory that the child died in her parents’ rental apartment, only to be moved to a different location later until her body could be disposed of permanently. Similar evidence, in far larger amounts, was found in the McCann apartment, as well as a car that they rented after the girl disappeared.

It’s been over seven years since the girl vanished and since Murat was declared a suspect and quickly cleared of involvement. Since he is being questioned now as a witness, this could very well signal the near end of the case — or at least the investigation into who is responsible for the disappearance. Meanwhile, two people have remained completely silent since the revelation of this explosive news. Madeleine McCann’s parents have been critical of Murat in the past, but now that he’s a possible witness will they change their tune?

 http://www.inquisitr.com/1630212/madeleine-mccann-update-is-robert-murat-about-to-close-this-case/#mQZ1LAvPcAVEyIXx.99

Not at all sure that I am following the logic here.
If Mr Murat had information which pointed in any direction other than his own, I am sure it would have been shared with the PJ when he was an arguido back in 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on November 24, 2014, 11:33:30 AM
They couldn't keep him Arguido more than 6 months without presenting details of evidence, they had to choose. There is a link in the text taking you the 2007 article. Where Madeleine DNA was found in his house was only with superficial traces.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-489408/Madeleines-DNA-Murats-house-police-claim.html

Now if we put this in context of recent writing that the technology have progressed and SY visit to Institute for forensic we might wonder what really  are they testing,




Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 24, 2014, 12:11:30 PM
Not at all sure that I am following the logic here.
If Mr Murat had information which pointed in any direction other than his own, I am sure it would have been shared with the PJ when he was an arguido back in 2007.

You're not the only one. Who on earth wrote it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 24, 2014, 12:24:00 PM
Rubbish as far as I can tell. There were NO hairs that could have belonged to Madeleine in Casa Liliana. Her haplotype is C. All they found were M (Murat - Rob or Jenny), K (a female who isn't Jenny)* and one Z.

* ETA: K is Michaela's haplotype.



Relating to Residencia Casa Liliana - Praia da Luz-Lagos:

- 40 hairs in envelope No. 1 recovered from the bed in the bedroom of of the suspect.

[The above were] Delivered by the Policia Judiciaria on 15/05/2007.

(...)

Relating to the Residencia Casa Liliana - Praia da Luz-Lagos:

- Envelope No. 1 - "recovered from the bed in the bedroom of of the suspect" 36 hairs with root; 4 hairs only stem.

(...)
M          48       13 vehicle (envlps 1,2,3 and 4)
                    35 Residencia Liliana             Robert Murat

(...)

6th- In the samples analysed from Residencia Liliana and the vehicle, several mitochondrial DNA profiles were found:

- Profile identified by letter "M", present in 48 samples (35 from Residencia Liliana and 13 from the vehicle), was identical to that of Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat meaning those samples were from him or from someone having the same maternal bloodline.

- Profile identified by letter "K", present in 14 samples (1 from Residencia Liliana and 13 from the vehicle), meaning that all these samples came from the same person or from someone having the same maternal bloodline, did not match any of the reference samples.

- One of the 13 samples from the vehicle in letter "K" - hair root C742-05 (floor in front of the front seat - Env 3) showed a female DNA genetic profile.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PORTUGUESE-FORENSIC.htm

From a later report, there was also one Z found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Montclair on November 30, 2014, 10:58:53 AM
Latest piece from Express:

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541742/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-set-to-quiz-key-witnesses-again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on November 30, 2014, 11:43:04 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann detectives set to quiz key witnesses again

MADELEINE McCANN detectives are planning to requestion key figures who arrived on the scene shortly after the three-year-old disappeared.


The Scotland Yard officers have analysed minutely events which happened just before, during and immediately after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007 and appear to be seeking new information and clarification from important witnesses.

Among those scheduled for requestioning is Silvia Batista, who ran the service and maintenance departments of the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on the Algarve where the McCanns were staying.

Shortly after the alarm was raised, Mrs Batista was contacted at her home in nearby Lagos and immediately went back to work.

When she arrived at a reception area she saw Madeleine's father Gerry on his knees on the floor crying out for help and banging his hands on the floor.

A few minutues later she entered the bedroom at apartment 5a and said that the shutters were down, the windows closed and the curtains slightly open.

Kate McCann has said that when she arrived to find Madeleine gone, the shutters were partly open in the bedroom, leading her to believe that Madeleine had been taken through the window.

In her statement Mrs Batista said Gerry told her he had closed the windows as their other two children, Sean and Amelie, then 18 months, were still asleep in separate cots in the bedroom.

Mrs Batista, a former receptionist at the Ocean Club, worked closely with her husband Joao, who was head of maintenance and services.

In the past year both were made redundant because of falling bookings at the Ocean Club, which have been blamed on the recession and publicity surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.

Another facing requestioning is John Hill, manager of the Ocean Club.

When he arrived at the club after receiving a call at 10.28pm from a colleague, some 100 people were already searching for Madeleine.

He also spoke with Kate and Gerry that night in their apartment and helped arrange for photos of the child to be distributed.

Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.


Donna Hill is likely to be requestioned early in the New Year.

Scotland Yard detectives are also interested in claims that a set of keys to apartment 5a, kept in the maintenance section, went missing in the week that Madeleine vanished, first revealed by the Sunday Express last February when we reported that a former maintenance worker said the disappearance of the keys had not been reported to the authorities.

Detectives also want their Portuguese counterparts to interview Mario Fernando, 47, who came forward last May to say he saw a suspicious man wearing sun glasses in a stairwell looking at apartment 5a 24 hours before Madeleine disappeared. The former Ocean Club laundryman was collecting sheets when he saw the man: "I saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other.

"He was embarrassed. He was nervous. He was walking out from the hole under the stairs and must have been much further inside but had taken several steps back after hearing me coming.

"He had a really fat face and had two-tone sunglasses on."

Last week it was revealed that Robert Murat was one of those on the Yard's list of people it wants more information from.

Mr Murat told the Sunday Express he would be happy to cooperate but has not received anything official yet from the authorities.

Portuguese police have to conduct the interviews but Scotland Yard officers can sit in during questioning. Some interviews were due to be held last week but they now look likely to be held in the New Year.

Former Scotland Yard murder detective Peter Bleksley said that this next stage of the investigation was a "logical progression" for the police.

"I would think that they have been concentrating on the timeline in the review period and they have may have come across some inconsistencies which they want to look into," he said. "That would be my thinking on this.

"They will want to know who was where, who saw what and at what time and try to work through the inconsistencies while at the same time seeking new information.

"Going back to square one will have formed a big part of the original review which has now moved into the investigative stage. It is a logical progression."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541742/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-set-to-quiz-key-witnesses-again
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2014, 11:49:52 AM
EXCLUSIVE: Madeleine McCann detectives set to quiz key witnesses again

MADELEINE McCANN detectives are planning to requestion key figures who arrived on the scene shortly after the three-year-old disappeared.


The Scotland Yard officers have analysed minutely events which happened just before, during and immediately after Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007 and appear to be seeking new information and clarification from important witnesses.

Among those scheduled for requestioning is Silvia Batista, who ran the service and maintenance departments of the Ocean Club at Praia da Luz on the Algarve where the McCanns were staying.

Shortly after the alarm was raised, Mrs Batista was contacted at her home in nearby Lagos and immediately went back to work.

When she arrived at a reception area she saw Madeleine's father Gerry on his knees on the floor crying out for help and banging his hands on the floor.

A few minutues later she entered the bedroom at apartment 5a and said that the shutters were down, the windows closed and the curtains slightly open.

Kate McCann has said that when she arrived to find Madeleine gone, the shutters were partly open in the bedroom, leading her to believe that Madeleine had been taken through the window.

In her statement Mrs Batista said Gerry told her he had closed the windows as their other two children, Sean and Amelie, then 18 months, were still asleep in separate cots in the bedroom.

Mrs Batista, a former receptionist at the Ocean Club, worked closely with her husband Joao, who was head of maintenance and services.

In the past year both were made redundant because of falling bookings at the Ocean Club, which have been blamed on the recession and publicity surrounding Madeleine's disappearance.

Another facing requestioning is John Hill, manager of the Ocean Club.

When he arrived at the club after receiving a call at 10.28pm from a colleague, some 100 people were already searching for Madeleine.

He also spoke with Kate and Gerry that night in their apartment and helped arrange for photos of the child to be distributed.

Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.


Donna Hill is likely to be requestioned early in the New Year.

Scotland Yard detectives are also interested in claims that a set of keys to apartment 5a, kept in the maintenance section, went missing in the week that Madeleine vanished, first revealed by the Sunday Express last February when we reported that a former maintenance worker said the disappearance of the keys had not been reported to the authorities.

Detectives also want their Portuguese counterparts to interview Mario Fernando, 47, who came forward last May to say he saw a suspicious man wearing sun glasses in a stairwell looking at apartment 5a 24 hours before Madeleine disappeared. The former Ocean Club laundryman was collecting sheets when he saw the man: "I saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other.

"He was embarrassed. He was nervous. He was walking out from the hole under the stairs and must have been much further inside but had taken several steps back after hearing me coming.

"He had a really fat face and had two-tone sunglasses on."

Last week it was revealed that Robert Murat was one of those on the Yard's list of people it wants more information from.

Mr Murat told the Sunday Express he would be happy to cooperate but has not received anything official yet from the authorities.

Portuguese police have to conduct the interviews but Scotland Yard officers can sit in during questioning. Some interviews were due to be held last week but they now look likely to be held in the New Year.

Former Scotland Yard murder detective Peter Bleksley said that this next stage of the investigation was a "logical progression" for the police.

"I would think that they have been concentrating on the timeline in the review period and they have may have come across some inconsistencies which they want to look into," he said. "That would be my thinking on this.

"They will want to know who was where, who saw what and at what time and try to work through the inconsistencies while at the same time seeking new information.

"Going back to square one will have formed a big part of the original review which has now moved into the investigative stage. It is a logical progression."

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/541742/Madeleine-McCann-detectives-set-to-quiz-key-witnesses-again

Interesting that Blacksmith told us  on Wednesday that Batista, Hill and his wife were going to be questioned. I hadn't heard it anywhere else until now. Had anyone else ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 30, 2014, 12:59:11 PM
Mr Hill and his wife Donna printed pictures after being given a memory stick by Russell O'Brien, a friend of the McCanns whose partner Jane Tanner's picture of Madeleine gathering tennis balls is well known.

Donna Hill is likely to be requestioned early in the New Year.


- Donna Hill doesn't appear to have ever been questioned. (ETA: she was contacted informally to provide the names of nannies).
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KIDS-CLUB-STAFF.htm

- It was one of the nannies who printed out the photos from a memory stick...

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on November 30, 2014, 01:12:01 PM
 Is this DONNA who was responsible for creche where the children spent time?

Processos Vol I
Pages 86 –90


External Activity Report

Date: 2007-05-04

Place: Praia da Luz, Lagos

Officer responsible: Inspector Manuel Pinho

Description and Result:


On this date, in the company of my colleague L.Madeira, we spoke with Mrs Silvia Maria Correia Ramos B., director of maintenance and services for the company "GREENTROUST", which manages the "OCEAN CLUB" company, contactable by mobile phone 964....

Through her, we contacted Donna Louise Rafferty Hill (contactable by mobile phone number 964...) responsible for the crèche employees belonging to the "MARK WARNER" company, who were responsible for Madeleine and the twins for several periods during the day after their arrival in Portugal.

She told us that all these employees are English nationals and that they work in Portugal from
March/April until November; that there are 13 people who work in the crèche, their names and telephone numbers being as follows: [NOTE: Phone numbers withheld]
- Pauline Francis M.
- Emma Louise W.
- Sarah Elizabeth W.
- Susan Bernadette O.
- Leanne Danielle W.
- Shinead Maria V.
- Jacqueline Mary W.
- Kirsty Louise M.
- Lynne R.F.
- Catriona Treasa Sisile B.
- Stacey P.
- Lyndsay Jayne J.
- Amy Ellen T.

--- It was also determined that all these girls live outside the resort, although quite close to it, and that Catriona B. was responsible for Madeleine during the day yesterday.
--- Stacey P. was the staff member responsible for the McCann twins.
--- Usually, it is always the same nanny who cares for each child.
--- The latest to arrive in Portugal were Sarah W. and Charlotte Pennington who arrived last Saturday, April 28th 2007.
--- The witness is the one responsible for coordination, and who distributed the children between the various girls, allocating each child to one of them.
--- Nothing abnormal happened today and no one was absent from work except those who were on their day off.
--- All the carers have made themselves available to speak with the police.


In our informal conversation with Catriona Trease Sisile B., also known as CAT, she stated:

1. That she arrived on March 21st 2007 and that she plans to return to the UK on November 7th 2007;
2. That she cared for Madeleine since Sunday April 29th 2007, daily until yesterday and that she always worked the same hours;
3. That yesterday she received Madeleine at 9.10. It was her father, Gerry, who brought her;
4. That she handed her to her mother, Kate at 12.25;
5. That she received Madeleine again from her mother at 14.50 and handed her over at 17.30;
6. That in the same room as Madeleine, there were 6 children in the morning and 4 in the afternoon (including Madeleine);
7. That she did not see any strangers in the complex during that time or previous days.
8. That on the first day, Madeleine was shy. On the following days she was more calm and uninhibited. Yesterday she was quite happy.
9. That she was never far from Madeleine, keeping her under visual supervision at all times when she was her responsibility, even asking her permission to go to the bathroom;
10. That, over the days, she noticed no change in the behaviour of the child's parents;
11. That she noticed no abnormal situation relating to this family;
12. That Madeleine had not told her about any person who had contacted [spoken to] her in recent days, nor [about] any possibly suspicious conversation.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 30, 2014, 01:17:39 PM

Detectives also want their Portuguese counterparts to interview Mario Fernando, 47, who came forward last May to say he saw a suspicious man wearing sun glasses in a stairwell looking at apartment 5a 24 hours before Madeleine disappeared. The former Ocean Club laundryman was collecting sheets when he saw the man: "I saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other.

"He was embarrassed. He was nervous. He was walking out from the hole under the stairs and must have been much further inside but had taken several steps back after hearing me coming.

"He had a really fat face and had two-tone sunglasses on."


- Which hole under which stairs would have given a view of 5A?
- If it is Mario-the-laundryman who came forward last May (2013?), why didn't he say anything in 2007?
- There was an alleged incident of someone being seen near the stairs / lift in 5a on 3 May (not 24 hours before), but then that person couldn't have been "observing" the McCann apartment from there.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 30, 2014, 01:23:20 PM
Is this DONNA who was responsible for creche where the children spent time?

Processos Vol I
Pages 86 –90


External Activity Report

Date: 2007-05-04

Place: Praia da Luz, Lagos

Officer responsible: Inspector Manuel Pinho

Description and Result:


On this date, in the company of my colleague L.Madeira, we spoke with Mrs Silvia Maria Correia Ramos B., director of maintenance and services for the company "GREENTROUST", which manages the "OCEAN CLUB" company, contactable by mobile phone 964....

Through her, we contacted Donna Louise Rafferty Hill (contactable by mobile phone number 964...) responsible for the crèche employees belonging to the "MARK WARNER" company, who were responsible for Madeleine and the twins for several periods during the day after their arrival in Portugal.

She told us that all these employees are English nationals and that they work in Portugal from
March/April until November; that there are 13 people who work in the crèche, their names and telephone numbers being as follows: [NOTE: Phone numbers withheld]
- Pauline Francis M.
- Emma Louise W.
- Sarah Elizabeth W.
- Susan Bernadette O.
- Leanne Danielle W.
- Shinead Maria V.
- Jacqueline Mary W.
- Kirsty Louise M.
- Lynne R.F.
- Catriona Treasa Sisile B.
- Stacey P.
- Lyndsay Jayne J.
- Amy Ellen T.

--- It was also determined that all these girls live outside the resort, although quite close to it, and that Catriona B. was responsible for Madeleine during the day yesterday.
--- Stacey P. was the staff member responsible for the McCann twins.
--- Usually, it is always the same nanny who cares for each child.
--- The latest to arrive in Portugal were Sarah W. and Charlotte Pennington who arrived last Saturday, April 28th 2007.
--- The witness is the one responsible for coordination, and who distributed the children between the various girls, allocating each child to one of them.
--- Nothing abnormal happened today and no one was absent from work except those who were on their day off.
--- All the carers have made themselves available to speak with the police.


In our informal conversation with Catriona Trease Sisile B., also known as CAT, she stated:

1. That she arrived on March 21st 2007 and that she plans to return to the UK on November 7th 2007;
2. That she cared for Madeleine since Sunday April 29th 2007, daily until yesterday and that she always worked the same hours;
3. That yesterday she received Madeleine at 9.10. It was her father, Gerry, who brought her;
4. That she handed her to her mother, Kate at 12.25;
5. That she received Madeleine again from her mother at 14.50 and handed her over at 17.30;
6. That in the same room as Madeleine, there were 6 children in the morning and 4 in the afternoon (including Madeleine);
7. That she did not see any strangers in the complex during that time or previous days.
8. That on the first day, Madeleine was shy. On the following days she was more calm and uninhibited. Yesterday she was quite happy.
9. That she was never far from Madeleine, keeping her under visual supervision at all times when she was her responsibility, even asking her permission to go to the bathroom;
10. That, over the days, she noticed no change in the behaviour of the child's parents;
11. That she noticed no abnormal situation relating to this family;
12. That Madeleine had not told her about any person who had contacted [spoken to] her in recent days, nor [about] any possibly suspicious conversation.


Ah. Thanks, Bros.

I searched mccannpjfiles, but couldn't find anything, possibly because the search function didn't recognise the format with hyphens:

"Through her, we contacted, Donna_Louise_Rafferty_Hill..."

So it was one of these informal interviews, which don't appear as statements.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Matthew Wyse on November 30, 2014, 01:34:22 PM

Detectives also want their Portuguese counterparts to interview Mario Fernando, 47, who came forward last May to say he saw a suspicious man wearing sun glasses in a stairwell looking at apartment 5a 24 hours before Madeleine disappeared. The former Ocean Club laundryman was collecting sheets when he saw the man: "I saw the weird guy and we nearly bumped into each other.

"He was embarrassed. He was nervous. He was walking out from the hole under the stairs and must have been much further inside but had taken several steps back after hearing me coming.

"He had a really fat face and had two-tone sunglasses on."


- Which hole under which stairs would have given a view of 5A?
- If it is Mario-the-laundryman who came forward last May (2013?), why didn't he say anything in 2007?
- There was an alleged incident of someone being seen near the stairs / lift in 5a on 3 May (not 24 hours before), but then that person couldn't have been "observing" the McCann apartment from there.


I wouldnt blame anyone for not coming forward since who the hell wants their details plastered all over the newspapers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on November 30, 2014, 01:42:17 PM

I wouldnt blame anyone for not coming forward since who the hell wants their details plastered all over the newspapers.

That is, indeed, a problem.

However, Mario-the-laundryman was interviewed in 2007 and said nothing about a suspicious lurker. It may not have been him, but some other employee who noticed something. It rings a faint bell, but about a female employee.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on November 30, 2014, 01:55:46 PM
Boys and girls of the forum THIS IS GETTING BIG! Instead of narrowing SY is expanding list, someone said smart thing here too many people involved  it is like football team. FISH MUST HAVE BIG HEAD that SY is after, just first to settle score with the local crew!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on November 30, 2014, 02:10:00 PM
Wise words.

Former Scotland Yard murder detective Peter Bleksley said that this next stage of the investigation was a "logical progression" for the police.

"I would think that they have been concentrating on the timeline in the review period and they have may have come across some inconsistencies which they want to look into," he said. "That would be my thinking on this.

"They will want to know who was where, who saw what and at what time and try to work through the inconsistencies while at the same time seeking new information.

"Going back to square one will have formed a big part of the original review which has now moved into the investigative stage. It is a logical progression."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2014, 05:01:35 PM
If the leaks reported in the press are to be believed, SY are quite keen to interview people of interest who are neither the McCanns nor their friends. 

You really are going to have to come round to the notion they know exactly where this may take them. 
They are forward looking, they are not looking backward at failed notions of the past. 

In 2007 scrutiny of the wrong phone pings allowed the significance of the right ones to be overlooked which wasn't picked up until Operation Grange started investigating at the same time as Heriberto studied it and passed his findings to the authorities.

SY are not repeating the error of trying to make the evidence fit a hypothesis.  They are following the evidence.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 30, 2014, 10:31:40 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/british-police-question-seven-suspects-4724786

From the article :

"Officers from Operation Grange are set to arrive in Faro in the Algarve next Monday.

They will spend three days interviewing a total of 11 people – seven suspects and four witnesses.

The suspects will be asked 253 questions, including: “Did you kill Madeleine?”

So SY belueve Madeleine is dead. I wonder if Redwood and co will be sued for harming the search too ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 30, 2014, 10:40:49 PM
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/british-police-question-seven-suspects-4724786

From the article :

"Officers from Operation Grange are set to arrive in Faro in the Algarve next Monday.

They will spend three days interviewing a total of 11 people – seven suspects and four witnesses.

The suspects will be asked 253 questions, including: “Did you kill Madeleine?”

So SY belueve Madeleine is dead. I wonder if Redwood and co will be sued for harming the search too ?
Asking the question "did you kill Madeleine" is not confirmation that they have excluded the possibility that she is still alive, is it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2014, 10:46:13 PM
Asking the question "did you kill Madeleine" is not confirmation that they have excluded the possibility that she is still alive, is it?

 ... and SY issued a press release containing a list of the questions they intend to ask ... when?  I must have missed it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 30, 2014, 10:49:16 PM
... and SY issued a press release containing a list of the questions they intend to ask ... when?  I must have missed it.
Good point. Faithlilly is usually the first to point out we mustn't believe a word the MSM tell us...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 30, 2014, 10:51:55 PM
Good point. Faithlilly is usually the first to point out we mustn't believe a word the MSM tell us...

That one does not even have the imprimatur of ... the SOURCE ... 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on November 30, 2014, 10:54:05 PM
That one does not even have the imprimatur of ... the SOURCE ...
May the Sauce (sic) Be With You. *&*%£
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 30, 2014, 11:00:13 PM
Maddie Case: British spend 10 million

British police spent a fortune on travel.

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30 Nov 2014

By Magali Pinto

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Kate and Gerry have support from Scotland Yard on the theory that Maddie was abducted.

The British police have spent a total of ten million euros in the investigation of the Maddie case.  Only 125 thousand euros were used for the movement of British investigators to the Algarve. It is recalled that, in recent months, investigators have been in Portugal three times for performing searches. Madeleine McCann disappeared May 3, 2007 the tourist village Ocean Club, in Praia da Luz, Algarve

Fom the outset, the British authorities have bet on the thesis of abduction – which even led the Cabinet Prime Minister David Cameron to provide six million and three hundred thousand euros for the authorities to continue their investigations to find the whereabouts of the British girl, who was three years old in 2007.

Between 2007 and 2012, this year was the year the authorities spent most money – with a total of three million and 400 thousand euros. The expenditure was essentially made for transport, wages and overtime paid to researchers who worked more than their normal working hours. 2013 accounts have not yet been closed, however, it is estimated that the cost is similar to that spent by Scotland Yard in previous years. Kate and Gerry McCann have bet on campaigns to find her daughter, if she's alive, she's 11 years old. They have already provided several portraits of what little Madeleine McCann may now look like.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on December 01, 2014, 01:34:06 AM
 http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fly-portugal-4725028
Madeleine McCann: Cops to fly to Portugal to ask seven suspects 'did you kill Maddie?'

    Nov 30, 2014 22:54
    By David Collins

Officers from Operation Grange will spend three days interviewing 11 people, seven suspects and four witnesses

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New probe: Cops to fly to Portugal in Maddie McCann case

Scotland Yard detectives will arrive in Portugal next week to ask seven suspects: “Did you kill Madeleine McCann?”

Officers from Operation Grange, led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, are scheduled to fly to Faro on December 8.

They will spend three days interviewing 11 people, seven suspects and four witnesses, in the hope of a breakthrough in the case.

The seven suspects, who will be given arguido status, will be asked a series of 253 questions, including: “Did you kill Madeleine?”

Madeleine McCann VIEW GALLERY
 

Arguidos have the right not to answer questions and to have a lawyer present during interviews.

Among suspects to be quizzed is a man who worked as a gardener at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, where parents Kate and Gerry McCann were staying when Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, nine days before her fourth birthday.

The ex-employee has previously said: “I have nothing to tell police.”

The fresh probe was ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron and has cost £8million so far. One line of inquiry is whether Madeleine was taken during a break-in.

Detectives are focusing on a white male aged 20 to 40, seen carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description through Praia da Luz about the time she vanished.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 01, 2014, 08:22:08 AM
The Mirror of course, the paper largely responsible for the Xenophobic rants against the Portuguese, personified by Tony (sardine muncher) Parsons.

So a trustworthy paper then. :-)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 01, 2014, 02:01:30 PM
Was Madeleine McCann Murdered? Scotland Yard Seems To Think So

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Is Madeleine McCann alive or dead after all these years? Scotland Yard officials have always operated, publicly, under the idea that she may be found alive, even against evidence produced by detectives in Portugal. The latest news on the case, however, indicates that there could be a shift in what they believe. The Mirror reports that Operation Grange officers with Scotland Yard will travel to Portugal soon to grill more suspects. However, the line of questioning involves looking for the girl’s killer.

Agents are expected to ask at least seven people if they are responsible for the murder of the missing British child. If police are asking these kinds of questions, then they must be leaning toward the idea that Madeleine was slain. But are they quizzing the right suspects in her presumed murder? Madeleine vanished over seven years ago, and over the course of this case there have been many so called suspects, including the girl’s parents. Kate and Gerry McCann have long been targets of suspicion, especially since they were declared arguidos (suspects) back in the beginning of this case. Even though they are no longer considered suspects, there has been no proven evidence that anybody entered their rental apartment to abduct just one of their children.

The Daily Mail reports that this case has cost taxpayers more than £8 Million over the course of more than seven years. The past three years alone have cost at least £2 Million per year. Nonetheless, officials have cut back on the number of agents included in Operation Grange, which is indicative of their intent to close this case soon — hopefully with the arrest of the true culprits responsible for Madeleine’s presumed demise.

According to Goncalo Amaral, who was one of the original detectives in the search for Madeleine McCann, the parents should be the prime suspects. In fact, most of the original evidence in the case points to their involvement, which has led Amaral to believe that they covered up an accidental death of their young daughter. This wouldn’t be a murder, but if they have truly spent the past seven years going along with the idea that some intruder stole their child, then there is clearly some level of criminality taking place. Of course, Scotland Yard’s latest direction seems to indicate the idea that Madeleine was maliciously murdered — perhaps by one of seven British expats.

This case continues to be an international mystery, but hopefully Operation Grange solves that mystery before another seven years passes.

www.inquisitr.com/1646359/was-madeleine-mccann-murdered-scotland-yard-seems-to-think-so/


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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 01, 2014, 02:12:34 PM
Madeleine McCann: Cops to fly to Portugal to ask seven suspects 'did you kill Maddie?'

Irish Mirror
Nov 30, 2014
By David Collins

Officers from Operation Grange will spend three days interviewing 11 people, seven suspects and four witnesses.

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         New probe: Cops to fly to Portugal in Maddie McCann case.                 Missing youngster Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard detectives will arrive in Portugal next week to ask seven suspects: “Did you kill Madeleine McCann?”

Officers from Operation Grange, led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, are scheduled to fly to Faro on December 8.

They will spend three days interviewing 11 people, seven suspects and four witnesses, in the hope of a breakthrough in the case.

The seven suspects, who will be given arguido status, will be asked a series of 253 questions, including: “Did you kill Madeleine?”

Arguidos have the right not to answer questions and to have a lawyer present during interviews.

Among suspects to be quizzed is a man who worked as a gardener at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, where parents Kate and Gerry McCann were staying when Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, nine days before her fourth birthday.

The ex-employee has previously said: “I have nothing to tell police.”

The fresh probe was ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron and has cost £8million so far. One line of inquiry is whether Madeleine was taken during a break-in.

Detectives are focusing on a white male aged 20 to 40, seen carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description through Praia da Luz about the time she vanished.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fly-portugal-4725028
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 01, 2014, 02:20:35 PM
SY won't be asking anybody anything - they will be observing the interviews that will be carried by out PJ on their behalf.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 01, 2014, 02:31:55 PM
SY won't be asking anybody anything - they will be observing the interviews that will be carried by out PJ on their behalf.

A bit daft isn't it?  English suspects asked questions by a Portuguese national while Met look on.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 01, 2014, 03:08:19 PM
A bit daft isn't it?  English suspects asked questions by a Portuguese national while Met look on.

No wonder that it takes so long to solve any transnational crime... And that's within Europe.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 01, 2014, 03:17:53 PM
Think how worse it might be if we didn't have the pan- European legal agreement that we do have.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 01, 2014, 03:34:59 PM
So, when it is ant-McCann its propaganda, but when its pro- McCann its called news - is that correct?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on December 02, 2014, 02:02:40 PM
Regarding the gardener article in the mirror. Has anyone got a picture of him?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 02, 2014, 04:24:31 PM
Madeleine McCann: Cops to fly to Portugal to ask seven suspects 'did you kill Maddie?'

Irish Mirror
Nov 30, 2014
By David Collins

Officers from Operation Grange will spend three days interviewing 11 people, seven suspects and four witnesses.

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         New probe: Cops to fly to Portugal in Maddie McCann case.                 Missing youngster Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard detectives will arrive in Portugal next week to ask seven suspects: “Did you kill Madeleine McCann?”

Officers from Operation Grange, led by Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, are scheduled to fly to Faro on December 8.

They will spend three days interviewing 11 people, seven suspects and four witnesses, in the hope of a breakthrough in the case.

The seven suspects, who will be given arguido status, will be asked a series of 253 questions, including: “Did you kill Madeleine?”

Arguidos have the right not to answer questions and to have a lawyer present during interviews.

Among suspects to be quizzed is a man who worked as a gardener at the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz, where parents Kate and Gerry McCann were staying when Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007, nine days before her fourth birthday.

The ex-employee has previously said: “I have nothing to tell police.”

The fresh probe was ordered by Prime Minister David Cameron and has cost £8million so far. One line of inquiry is whether Madeleine was taken during a break-in.

Detectives are focusing on a white male aged 20 to 40, seen carrying a child fitting Madeleine’s description through Praia da Luz about the time she vanished.

www.irishmirror.ie/news/madeleine-mccann-cops-fly-portugal-4725028

Oh what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 02, 2014, 04:26:26 PM
Regarding the gardener article in the mirror. Has anyone got a picture of him?

Rumour has it he bears a passing resemblance to Peter Brady.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 02, 2014, 08:54:48 PM
http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-met-returns-to-algarve-to-grill-brits-with-%E2%80%9C253-questions%E2%80%9D
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 02, 2014, 10:40:15 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on December 02, 2014, 10:46:25 PM
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Is this man Roderick Robinson (aka MacDonald) or some other paedo?

I thought that RR had been extradicted to the UK.

And have we established, is RR alive or dead ?



What a puzzler !
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on December 02, 2014, 11:00:56 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-cops-quiz-british-4736648

 Madeleine McCann: Cops quiz British paedophile who was in the Algarve when Maddie vanished

    Dec 02, 2014 22:46
    By Adam Aspinall

Officers from Scotland Yard flew to Malta to question Roderick MacDonald, 77, in his prison cell in a bid to uncover any vital clues

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Missing Madeleine McCann VIEW GALLERY
 

British police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have quizzed a convicted paedophile said to have been in the Algarve when she vanished.

Officers from Scotland Yard flew to Malta to question Roderick MacDonald, 77, in his prison cell in a bid to uncover any vital clues about who snatched little Madeleine, aged three at the time.

MacDonald was questioned about his alleged connection to a child sex gang operating in Portugal, linked to her disappearance.

It is believed he was pressed on what he knew about a spate of burglaries which occurred in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine’s family were staying when she went missing in 2007.

British detectives reckon the burglaries – believed to be carried out by a lone intruder between 2004 and 2010 – could be the key to finally solving what happened to her.

PA Missing Madeleine McCann
Vanished: Missing Madeleine McCann
 

The latest development comes as it was confirmed 11 people – four of whom are thought to be British – due to be quizzed over Madeleine’s disappearance next week will be asked to attend a police station as witnesses, not as suspects.

Scotland Yard said they would not give a “running commentary” on the investigation but their
visit to MacDonald was confirmed by Maltese Government officials.

MacDonald was due to be extradited to the UK after he was remanded in custody in Malta.

But when detectives there searched his flat in the quiet village of Sannat they uncovered a stash of child pornography and sentenced him to 16 months in prison.

This forced Scotland Yard detectives to jet out to Malta in order to question him at the Corradino Correctional Facility outside the capital Valletta.

A close friend of MacDonald’s, who had no idea about his sordid past, said: “He was always talking about how he was in the Algarve when Madeleine went missing.

"He would brag about how he sailed a yacht into Praia da Luz but we never thought anything of it.

“We had no idea how evil this man was before he was arrested. Now it seems completely sinister. No wonder the police were so keen to quiz him.”

Rex Roderick MacDonald
Quizzed: Roderick MacDonald being arrested in Thailand
 

MacDonald, of Aldershot, Hants, was first arrested in the Algarve in 2010 and extradited to Australia where he was wanted for the 1998 rape of an eight-year-old.

He got six months’ jail after accepting a plea deal for indecently assaulting the child then fled to Thailand after he was released.

After being deported to Britain by Thai authorities due to his history, MacDonald – previously known as Roderick William Robinson – settled in Brighton, East Sussex.

Despite being put on the sex offenders’ register, he was convicted of molesting two girls, aged five and seven, on a boat at Sussex Yacht Club in 2012.

He fled abroad prior to his sentence and was handed a 12-month prison sentence suspended for two years in his absence.

When he was finally arrested in a dramatic swoop on his flat on the island of Gozo he is believed to have told detectives: “I should have spoken about all this years ago.”

MAIN--MADDIE VIEW GALLERY
 

MacDonald is the first person to be questioned in connection with Madeleine’s disappearance since July, when four men were quizzed as arguidos – persons of interest.

They all denied any involvement.

The 11 people due to be interviewed as witnesses are reported to include Robert Murat, his German wife Michaela Walczuch, her ex-partner Luis Antonio and John Hill, the manager of the Ocean Club where the McCanns were staying.

IT consultant Mr Murat – who had his arguido status removed in 2008 when the first Portuguese enquiry was shelved – has said his conscience is clear and he is happy to speak to police again if required.

The Operation Grange squad who will sit in on the interviews, led by Portuguese police, will include team leader Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: lordpookles on December 04, 2014, 11:02:49 AM
As its a slow news day hope it's ok to post a retrospective look at their first ever interview:


Stephen I also wonder why people defend them so vehmently. (Most seem like good people but I wonder how they will feel if it turns out they actually did it.)Must be the same reason why some people are so suspicious. Nothing is certain yet imo, but its always easier to take the position of a fence sitter like me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 04, 2014, 01:22:50 PM
Not wishing to be cynical or anything, but I'd remain sceptical of anything in the tabloids in the run-up to Christmas. It is, after all, a key income-generation period via ads which, somehow, have to be accompanied by something that will make people buy the paper in the first place (or view online pages).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 04, 2014, 01:33:22 PM
Maddie Case: British suggest 253 questions.

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By Rui Gomes Pando
2 December 2014

British police ask PJ to ask the prime suspects if they killed Maddie.

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All eleven people considered to be of interest in the British investigation of the Madeleine McCann case will be heard as witnesses. Interrogations will happen next week, but the CM found, any of the questioned can be made a arguido in the middle of the inquiry. The British police have suggested a list of 253 questions to be asked by the PJ to the11 people, among them Robert Murat, the first arguido of the original investigation conducted by the Portuguese authorities.

Among the issues suggested by Scotland Yard are direct questions relating to the demise of the English child who disappeared from Praia da Luz, Lagos, on May 3, 2007, and where her body might be hidden. The most incriminating questions will only be made to people who the British believe were involved in the disappearance of Maddie.

The interrogations, reported by CM, were planned for the last week of November. However, a legal uncertainty about the designation of the suspects as arguidos forced the cancellation of the inquiries, following a fifth rogatory letter from UK authorities.

Seven people were to be heard as arguidas and four as witnesses. The problem is that arguidos are not required to answer any questions and may have a lawyer at their side. The question was posed to the new prosecutor of the Public Ministry in Portimão, Inés Sequeira, who decided that all will be heard as witnesses. If any incriminating aspects are found, the questioning as witnesses will be suspended and any one of the persons may be made an arguida immediately, according to their new rights.

The questioning will be carried out at the premises of the judicial police in Faro.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/ingleses_fazem_253_perguntas.html


Note:  The terms Arguido/Arguida are unique to Portuguese Law.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 04, 2014, 04:31:36 PM
Maddie: pedophile questioned on Malta

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By M.C.
4 December 2014

English interrogate suspect in the kidnapping of Maddie.



Investigators from the British police Scotland Yard have been to the island of Malta, interrogating pedophile Roderick Mcdonald (77). Referenced worldwide for sexually abusing children, the British citizen was in the Algarve when Maddie McCann disappeared in 2007, and may assist in the investigation.

The clue that British investigators follow relates to a wave of thefts that have occurred in the area of Lagos and Praia da Luz, in 2007. Detained in a prison in Malta, Roderick Mcdonald may have information about these crimes, according to Scotland Yard, which are said to have been committed by a thief. However, 11 other suspects identified in the process will be questioned next week.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/caso_maddie_pedofilo_ouvido_em_malta.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on December 04, 2014, 07:19:24 PM
Maddie: pedophile questioned on Malta

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By M.C.
4 December 2014

English interrogate suspect in the kidnapping of Maddie.



Investigators from the British police Scotland Yard have been to the island of Malta, interrogating pedophile Roderick Mcdonald (77). Referenced worldwide for sexually abusing children, the British citizen was in the Algarve when Maddie McCann disappeared in 2007, and may assist in the investigation.

The clue that British investigators follow relates to a wave of thefts that have occurred in the area of Lagos and Praia da Luz, in 2007. Detained in a prison in Malta, Roderick Mcdonald may have information about these crimes, according to Scotland Yard, which are said to have been committed by a thief. However, 11 other suspects identified in the process will be questioned next week.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/caso_maddie_pedofilo_ouvido_em_malta.html

I was thinking it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during those interviews.  It then occurred that indeed they really are going to be very different.

One presumes those who are ex-pats will be English speakers and will be questioned by Portuguese officers whose first language is Portuguese, with the English officers just sitting in but unable to intervene.

Surely a good example of when a joint working arrangement would have come into its own with the PJ questioning Portuguese speakers and SY questioning English speakers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 04, 2014, 07:29:02 PM
I was thinking it would be interesting to be a fly on the wall during those interviews.  It then occurred that indeed they really are going to be very different.

One presumes those who are ex-pats will be English speakers and will be questioned by Portuguese officers whose first language is Portuguese, with the English officers just sitting in but unable to intervene.

Surely a good example of when a joint working arrangement would have come into its own with the PJ questioning Portuguese speakers and SY questioning English speakers.

To a certain extent, I'd agree. However, the forces of the two countries have different techniques for questioning people.

I would have thought that a prepared joint force would have captured the best of both - whoever ends up questioning whom for the sake of linguistic / cultural logistics  or reasons.

Sadly not to be, seemingly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on December 04, 2014, 07:51:02 PM
To a certain extent, I'd agree. However, the forces of the two countries have different techniques for questioning people.

I would have thought that a prepared joint force would have captured the best of both - whoever ends up questioning whom for the sake of linguistic / cultural logistics  or reasons.

Sadly not to be, seemingly.

It would definitely be more efficient imo ... but I am certain there will have been a great deal of discussion and collaboration on the line of questioning to be taken.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 04, 2014, 08:16:16 PM
It would definitely be more efficient imo ... but I am certain there will have been a great deal of discussion and collaboration on the line of questioning to be taken.

I do hope so, for the sake of this little girl and for any future investigations.

Both forces no doubt have strengths and weaknesses. If they can be shared, discussed and culminate in mutual enhancement of capabilities, then there is hope.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 04, 2014, 08:23:42 PM
I suspect that international cooperation is restricted to doing things in accordance with the host country's laws, whoever the host country may be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 04, 2014, 08:33:59 PM
I suspect that international cooperation is restricted to doing things in accordance with the host country's laws, whoever the host country may be.

That is true. But lawmakers aren't the police. At some point, there needs to be a meeting point.

And if you've read anything from Europol... it isn't a piece of cake.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on December 05, 2014, 11:50:25 AM
Redwood is retiring. DCI Nicola Wall is meeting the Portuguese next week.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 05, 2014, 12:29:32 PM
Redwood is retiring. DCI Nicola Wall is meeting the Portuguese next week.

The photos above in the thread are good. It's good job the SY officers were in plain clothes and not in uniform  &%+((£
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on December 05, 2014, 01:10:39 PM
Redwood is retiring. DCI Nicola Wall is meeting the Portuguese next week.

May 2013: Vogue true crime


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Another grey day, this time in central London, and the aftershocks of the Met's corruption scandals and Operations Weeting and Elveden are still rippling the walls of the meeting room at Scotland Yard, where I find DCI Nicola Wall. Wall has served 25 years at the Met, eight as a DCI, and heads up the Murder Investigation Team in west London. She's also a trained hostage and crisis negotiator. Married two years ago, her husband does contract work in the Middle East and she sees him sporadically. "We don't have children," she says briskly. "I've got the greatest respect for women who balance both - because that's fantastic - but I don't have to. And I've got a house in Putney, and I have a really nice life."

For Wall, there is no typical murder. No two jobs are the same. "We could end up with the Tia Sharp jobs of this world," she says of the 12-year-old whose body was discovered at her grandmother's house last August. "And then there are jobs that are equally as difficult as those, but that just somehow don't get that media spark." She usually has about six or seven live cases at any one time, and prides herself on her investigative speed; she is only partially joking when she attributes her low media profile to the fact "we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved…"

A diminutive peroxide blonde, with fine cheekbones and a faint Derbyshire accent, she cuts an unusual figure. "I'm a bit different," she admits. "The jury nearly fell over last time I was in the box!" She's glad that the current crop of TV detectives are not "as mumsy" as their forebears and has a small fondness for Saga Noren "because she's quite feminine, very glamorous, very pretty and very capable, too."

As plainclothes officers, the detectives are united in their determination to look good. Wall especially enjoys playing with her femininity, if only to shake up the stuffier factions of the Met that still exist. "I usually wear a heel, and I always paint my nails," she says with a toss of her well-groomed head. "They usually brighten a day."

http://www.vogue.co.uk/news/2013/04/04/may-2013-vogue-true-crime
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 05, 2014, 01:44:29 PM
Detective leading hunt for Madeleine McCann steps down

Telegraph
5 Dec 2014

DCI Andy Redwood, who has led Scotlan Yard's Madeleine McCann investigation for the past three years, announces he is retiring from the Metropolitan Police.

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Andy Redwood (centre) and the Portuguese judiciary police chief of investigation, Luis Mota Carmo (left)
in Praia da Luz, Algarve, Southern Portugal in June 2014.


 DCI Andy Redwood, the man who has led Scotland Yard's hunt for missing Madeleine McCann is stepping down and retiring from the Met.

He is will retire later this month and will hand over to DCI Nicola Wall from the Homicide and Major Crime Command.

Kate and Gerry McCann have been informed of the development and a comprehensive handover is currently taking place.

The Scotland Yard team will travel to Portugal on Monday to carry out further enquiries and to introduce DCI Wall to the Portuguese authorities.

DCI Redwood said: “After careful consideration and a full and rewarding career in the Met the time is right for me to move on.

"The past three and a half years leading Operation Grange has been an extraordinary privilege, and I leave the investigation in the very capable hands of my experienced colleague Nicola."

British officers spent eight days searching three areas of land in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in June, close to where Madeleine disappeared more than seven years ago but they found no new evidence.

Madeleine disappeared from her holiday apartment on May 3 2007 as her parents Kate and Gerry dined at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends and it became one of the most famous missing persons cases of all time.

Portuguese police closed down their investigation into her death in 2008 but the Met launched its own operation three years later.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11275266/Detective-leading-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-steps-down.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 05, 2014, 08:25:34 PM
Joaquim Marques is the pigs farmer, right?

I wonder if the phone data connects him to PDL on that day?

Wasn't it said that these new witnesses and suspects were picked due to being identified from the phone data.. or am I dreaming this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2014, 08:27:39 PM
Joaquim Marques is the pigs farmer, right?

I wonder if the phone data connects him to PDL on that day?

Wasn't it said that these new witnesses and suspects were picked due to being identified from the phone data.. or am I dreaming this?

The Pig Farmer from where?  I don't think I have heard of him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 05, 2014, 08:33:32 PM
Joaquim Marques is the pigs farmer, right?

I wonder if the phone data connects him to PDL on that day?

Wasn't it said that these new witnesses and suspects were picked due to being identified from the phone data.. or am I dreaming this?

Hard to tell, Vixte. It seems to be Groundhog Day all over again. The Met can't give updates; the PJ are in theory subject to their judicial secrecy laws... what may be fluttering out of PJ windows or local bars again may - or may not - be accurate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 05, 2014, 08:36:37 PM
The Pig Farmer from where?  I don't think I have heard of him.

The pig farmer is one on the list
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510082/Revealed-Madeleine-photofit-man-jailed-raping-British-girl.html

Also on the list is the laundry man:
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/73may13/Mirror_29_05_2013.htm


What I am curious about is if SY found that  if any of these people were communicating with each other on that day?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on December 05, 2014, 08:48:41 PM
The pig farmer is one on the list
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-510082/Revealed-Madeleine-photofit-man-jailed-raping-British-girl.html

Also on the list is the laundry man:
http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/73may13/Mirror_29_05_2013.htm


What I am curious about is if SY found that  if any of these people were communicating with each other on that day?

I am truly shocked.  What on earth was going on in that sleepy village?  Surely The PJ must have been aware.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 05, 2014, 08:49:58 PM
The gardener is not on the list, as previously reported. I think he has been mistaken for the GREEN guy

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PJ_Report_English_Translation.pdf

Also, regarding the pig farmer I found something really strange: 'Curiously, it was the ex-girl friend of Serguei Malinka that did accuse M. Marques to the police.' from Portuguese press..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on December 06, 2014, 01:04:05 AM
This is the chap the PJ supposedly identified as the one Tamsin did the efit of. Was that ever released by the PJ or is it one the McCanns are supposed to have held back?


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm)

PJ's final 57-page report
 
On page 800, the interview with T. M. S. is presented, who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726 of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.
 
*
 
Information witheld
 
Further details about MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN are in the files witheld at the request of the British police:
 
Appendix VI 1 – Information/Lists of Suspects of Sexual Crimes – where you will find a detailed reviews, from the perspective of the possibility of encountering correlations with suspects with sexual motives;
 
Appendix VI 2 – Diligences and Exploration of Information related to the aforementioned – in which, in conformity with that already expressed and in order to provide a better consultation, were gathered the information collected about residents in the surrounding areas – temporary and permanent – as well as a listing of local crime (break-ins and others) and crimes of a sexual nature. The information provided came to this Police by individual knowledge, through British authorities or by other sources;
'...100 pages of notes relating to this part of the investigation were withdrawn from 17 volumes of police case files released to the public after a request from British police.'
 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 06, 2014, 01:21:59 AM

This is the chap the PJ supposedly identified as the one Tamsin did the efit of. Was that ever released by the PJ or is it one the McCanns are supposed to have held back?


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm (http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/T_M_S_AGE_12.htm)

PJ's final 57-page report
 
On page 800, the interview with T. M. S. is presented, who saw on two occasions and on several other days, an individual observing the apartment from which MADELEINE disappeared. A photo-fit was created based on the witness' indications . . . diligences were performed which led to the identification of MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN, who was the target of diverse diligences without incriminatory results, pages 632 to 726 of Volume III, Appendix VI. Beyond this individual, there were other diligences performed at this level, also without useful results for the investigation, as is explained throughout Appendix VI.
 
*
 
Information witheld
 
Further details about MICHAEL ANTHONY GREEN are in the files witheld at the request of the British police:
 
Appendix VI 1 – Information/Lists of Suspects of Sexual Crimes – where you will find a detailed reviews, from the perspective of the possibility of encountering correlations with suspects with sexual motives;
 
Appendix VI 2 – Diligences and Exploration of Information related to the aforementioned – in which, in conformity with that already expressed and in order to provide a better consultation, were gathered the information collected about residents in the surrounding areas – temporary and permanent – as well as a listing of local crime (break-ins and others) and crimes of a sexual nature. The information provided came to this Police by individual knowledge, through British authorities or by other sources;
'...100 pages of notes relating to this part of the investigation were withdrawn from 17 volumes of police case files released to the public after a request from British police.'

 Maybe ex sex offender. Sometimes the offence is spent, meaning taken off record..who knows..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 06, 2014, 10:38:06 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-top-cop-quits-4756701
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 06, 2014, 11:24:13 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-top-cop-quits-4756701

It's a headline to sell newspapers
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 06, 2014, 11:45:18 AM
It's a headline to sell newspapers

Yap.
If Arguidos start facing court criminal proceeding in the coming months it might take long for Andy to retire.  This is another side of the coin, Andy have done the job. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 06, 2014, 11:27:55 PM
I am very curious about whether the seven possible suspects had been in a communication that night and what is that connects them?

I was hoping there would be an article on that tonight..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 07, 2014, 02:32:55 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/544461/Police-quiz-two-male-suspects-about-missing-Madeleine-McCann

Police to quiz two male suspects about missing Madeleine McCann

TWO men who bear striking resemblances to people seen around the holiday apartment from where Madeleine McCann vanished will be the focus of Scotland Yard investigations in Portugal this week.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 08, 2014, 02:55:13 PM
Police in Portugal to question seven Madeleine McCann suspects

Police are due to arrive in Portugal today to interview seven suspects over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2014-12-08/madeleine-mccann-police-to-arrive-in-portugal-to-question-seven-suspects/?

ITV insists on 7 + 4 being questioned this week
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 08, 2014, 03:21:59 PM
Police in Portugal to question seven Madeleine McCann suspects

Police are due to arrive in Portugal today to interview seven suspects over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

http://www.itv.com/news/central/update/2014-12-08/madeleine-mccann-police-to-arrive-in-portugal-to-question-seven-suspects/?

ITV insists on 7 + 4 being questioned this week

Did they arrive.....?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 08, 2014, 04:24:18 PM
They are flying today 8th of December.

 http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2014/12/08/british-detectives-return-to-portugal-to-question-people-over-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 09, 2014, 01:13:29 AM
Madeleine McCann police fly to Portugal to quiz 11 key witnesses

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9 December 2014

POLICE investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann were set to re-interview key witnesses yesterday.

Scotland Yard detectives flew to Lisbon to help Portuguese officers question 11 ­people about the night Madeleine vanished.

British-born Robert Murat is reportedly among them.

The expat businessman has said he is happy to co-operate with efforts to find out what ­happened to the three-year-old.

The British detectives will sit in on the question-and-answer sessions, to be conducted by Portuguese officers in Faro.

The interviews are the ­latest stage in the Yard’s multi-million pound Operation Grange, and will mark the start of a major week for Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann.

In a Lisbon court tomorrow, lawyers are expected to make their final speeches in a £1million libel action brought by the McCanns against former police chief Goncalo Amaral over claims he made in his 2008 book The Truth Of The Lie.

He headed the investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve in 2007.

Allegations in the book led Mrs McCann to contemplate suicide as she struggled to cope with what she called the ex-police officer’s “smear campaign”.

Tormented by “dark thoughts”, the ex-GP spoke to psychologist Alan Pike about killing herself “as an option to end the trauma”.

But Mr Pike told the court: “It was an indicator of how she felt rather than something she ever intended to do.”

The stop-start nature of Portugal’s judicial system means the McCanns will not know if their action has succeeded until February at the earliest.

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 after the McCanns, both 46, from Rothley, Leicestershire, appealed to Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Theresa May.

So far, it has cost £7.3million.

Last Friday, the murder squad detective in charge of the inquiry announced he is retiring after 30 years’ service.

Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood, 49, will leave before Christmas and Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall will take over.

She will be formally introduced to senior Portuguese officials in the next few days.

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Pictured.  DCI Nicola Wall who takes over from colleague Andy Redwood in the search for Madeleine McCann.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/545223/Madeleine-McCann-police-Scotland-Yard-fly-to-Portugal-quiz-11-key-witnesses
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 09, 2014, 07:35:58 AM
More bull from the Express,

'Tormented by “dark thoughts”, the ex-GP spoke to psychologist Alan Pike about killing herself “as an option to end the trauma”.'

Pike isn't a psychologist.

As to km's mental state.................................
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on December 09, 2014, 01:14:04 PM

According to BBC lunchtime news one of the witnesses is a Brit man from Lagos who arrived early this morning ... a woman witness is to be interviewed in Britain in connection with this man.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 09, 2014, 03:44:40 PM
Scotland Yard detectives have arrived in Portugal to begin a fresh round of interviews over Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

DCI Andy Redwood marched into Faro Police Station at 9.30am this morning for three days of questioning with 11 witnesses. The Operation Grange chief was accompanied by two colleagues.

He declined to answer a battery of questions put to him by waiting reporters, as he walked the short distance from his hire car to the front door of the station.

Seven of the men and women due to be questioned have been described as people of 'high interest' to the Madeleine McCann probe. The four others are said to be of lesser importance.

One of them is former British suspect, Robert Murat, and his wife. Mr Murat's lawyer confirmed he has been asked to attend Faro Police station as a witness, along with Michaela Walczuch.
Interview: The lawyer of a former British suspect, Robert Murat, has confirmed he and his wife will be questioned at Faro Police Station tomorrow morning (file photo)Interview: The lawyer of a former British suspect, Robert Murat, has confirmed he and his wife will be questioned at Faro Police Station tomorrow morning (file photo)

The pair have are due to arrive tomorrow morning at around 9.30am for questioning.

Francisco Pagarete said: 'Mr Murat will be questioned tomorrow. I will be attending the police station with him.

'He has been asked in for questioning as a witness. Michaela has also been asked in for questioning on the same day.'

A long-haired Portuguese man covered his face as he entered the police station just before 10am this morning.

John Hill, manager of the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine was staying when she vanished on May 3, 2007, is also expected to be interviewed -- along with laundryman Mario Fernando Madeira.

Mr Madeira, 48, said last year he had informed Portuguese police that he saw a man wearing sunglasses lurking in a stairwell near Madeleine McCann's apartment, just 24 hours before she vanished.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2866881/11-people-quizzed-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance-include-Robert-Murat-cleared-wrongdoing-wife.html#ixzz3LPoUfsr4

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 09, 2014, 04:09:36 PM

Mr Madeira, 48, said last year he had informed Portuguese police that he saw a man wearing sunglasses lurking in a stairwell near Madeleine McCann's apartment, just 24 hours before she vanished......


Madeleine McCann: Witness saw 'weird' stranger lurking near apartment.

He is convinced the lurker was involved in the kidnap and spoke out after the Daily Mirror visited his home in the Algarve

May 29, 2013

"He was quite tall and looked sort-of Scandinavian."

"He had lots of hair, close to his head — like it was glued. It was straight hair. He was about my age now — 45, 46.”

“He had a really fat face and had two-tone sunglasses on, they got lighter at the bottom and were big. I will never forget those glasses.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-witness-saw-weird-1918572

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 09, 2014, 04:32:29 PM
This is John HILL resort manager scheduled for interview, together with Emma Knight she was hotel director who helped McCains move to 4B.

(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/john_hill.JPG)
(http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/EmmaLouiseKnight.jpg)
She wear same cloths as she is seen moving Mccains from 5a
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Is any information when John HILL is scheduled for interview. Let me refresh everyone memory regarding Hill statement on Madeleine: He doesn't believe she was taken.....    he found that idea to be questionable...

John Hill, said there was no definite physical evidence that the girl had been abducted. "It's still questionable as to whether it's an abduction," he said.

http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/MARK_WARNER.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 09, 2014, 04:46:40 PM
'John Hill, said there was no definite physical evidence that the girl had been abducted. "It's still questionable as to whether it's an abduction," he said.'


He was bluffing, it was all part of the ruse, the beginings of the kidnap crew cover-up.

Still, Redwoods got 'em all now & Emma Knight can finally get changed, into some orange overalls.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 09, 2014, 06:00:17 PM
'John Hill, said there was no definite physical evidence that the girl had been abducted. "It's still questionable as to whether it's an abduction," he said.'


He was bluffing, it was all part of the ruse, the beginings of the kidnap crew cover-up.

Still, Redwoods got 'em all now & Emma Knight can finally get changed, into some orange overalls.

Of course he's gonna say that in early days. He had his business to protect..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 09, 2014, 06:06:03 PM
Its strange how first impressions are often right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 09, 2014, 06:07:13 PM
Its strange how first impressions are often right.
Yeah?  And how often they are wrong.  Ask Chris Jeffries about that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 09, 2014, 08:20:23 PM
Convicted rapist one of 11 interviewed as a witness over disappearance of Madeleine McCann as Scotland Yard arrive in Portugal
•Convicted rapist, Joaquim Jose Marques, was quizzed for over six hours
•He assaulted cameramen outside police station following the interrogation
•Laundryman from resort where Madeleine disappeared also questioned
•Operation Grange Chief, DCI Andy Redwood, arrived in Faro this morning
•Seven of the 11 people being questioned are of 'high interest' to search
•Former British suspect, Robert Murat, and his wife will be questioned too
•British police have reportedly supplied over 250 questions for witnesses
•Interviews this week are the latest since four suspects were quizzed in July
•Madeleine McCann was three years old when she disappeared in May 2007

By Gerard Couzens In Faro, Portugal and Jay Akbar For Mailonline

Published: 9 December 2014

Scotland Yard detectives probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann today grilled a convicted rapist over her disappearance for over six hours.

Operation Grange chief, DCI Andy Redwood, arrived in Portugal this morning for three days of questioning with 11 witnesses.

It is the third time the pig farmer, Joaquim Jose Marques, has been quizzed about the youngster's disappearance from her holiday apartment in May 2007.

Marques - initially linked to Madeleine's disappearance after being identified by an artist's drawing of the potential suspect - assaulted two cameramen as he left Faro Police Station following his interrogation.

He fell to the ground as he tried to throw a punch at one, and threw a bottle of water at another when he returned from a quick lunch.

Questioned: Joaquim Jose Marques (right) is one of the 11 people being questioned over the disappearance
 

Witness: Marquez, a convicted rapist, assaulted two cameramen after being interrogated in Faro today (left). He threatened reporters with a gun outside his Algarve pig farm when he was first identified as a suspect in January 2008 (right)


Interrogated: Mario Marreiros (pictured), who worked as a laundryman at the holiday resort where Madeleine went missing, was also quizzed.

Investigation: Last month it emerged the British police investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann (pictured) has cost almost £8million
 
Marques threatened reporters with a gun outside his Algarve pig farm when he was first identified as a suspect in January 2008, but was understood to have been ruled out of the investigation after providing an alibi.

He was questioned 20 days after Madeleine vanished in May 2007, and again after the release of a sketch done by a forensic artist from the FBI, based on descriptions by British tourist Gail Cooper.

She told the police a 'creepy man' came to her villa in the Praia da Luz resort where Madeleine disappeared from to ask for donations for a nearby orphanage -- days before the youngster went missing.

Marques, who was living with his British hairdresser girlfriend and their three-year-old daughter at the time, was then identified as a convicted rapist by Portuguese press.

Diario de Noticias reported he was sentenced to five years in jail in 1996 for raping a British teenager in Praia da Luz in 1995, while an accomplice targeted her friend.

Police also questioned a former laundryman at the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine was staying at when she vanished.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2866881/11-people-quizzed-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance-include-Robert-Murat-cleared-wrongdoing-wife.html#ixzz3LQvmZM00

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 09, 2014, 08:34:23 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-12-09/british-police-in-portugal-madeleine-interviews/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on December 09, 2014, 08:34:58 PM
Such a safe place is Praia da Luz, doncha think?

Poor, poor Madeleine.  And her parents.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 09, 2014, 08:36:55 PM
Such a safe place is Praia da Luz, doncha think?

Poor, poor Madeleine.  And her parents.

Pig farmers hitting cameras.

Gosh!

What a hell hole.

http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-12-09/british-police-in-portugal-madeleine-interviews/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 09, 2014, 08:47:45 PM
Such a safe place is Praia da Luz, doncha think?

Poor, poor Madeleine.  And her parents.

What are the statistics for crimes in Portugal vs. the UK ?

As to the parents, they are responsible for what they failed to do.

NO ONE ELSE.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 09, 2014, 09:37:47 PM
He was questioned for 6 hours he have heard something he really like it  ? This interview with SY is not type of questions where about you on the night Maddie was taken.  %£&)**#
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 09, 2014, 09:39:16 PM
He was questioned for 6 hours he have heard something he really like it  ? This interview  is not type of questions where about you were on the night Maddie was taken.  %£&)**#

How long do you think it should reasonably take to get through 250some odd questions?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 09, 2014, 11:19:49 PM
A third unidentified man interviewed by police refused to talk to reporters as he arrived at Faro Police Station.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-rapist-4779612?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 09, 2014, 11:37:11 PM
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2014-12-09/british-police-in-portugal-madeleine-interviews/

ITV is saying in a video that identities of 6 witnesses is still unknown.

They identified 5 witnesses.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Moderator on December 10, 2014, 01:35:55 PM
DCI Redwood to hand over to DCI Nicola Wall on Friday.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2014, 05:01:36 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 10, 2014, 07:01:11 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html

"Respected Portuguese newspaper Correio da Manha...."  @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 10, 2014, 07:06:34 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html

I never knew Michaela was reported to have been seen in Morocco..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: DCI on December 10, 2014, 07:21:00 PM
DCI Redwood to hand over to DCI Nicola Wall on Friday.

DCI Nicola Wall, from the Met Police's Homicide and Major Crime Command Unit, will take charge of the British police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance from Andy Redwood on December 22 when he retires.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2868478/Pictured-Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-wife-Portuguese-police-station-interviewed-Scotland-Yard-girl-s-disappearance.html#ixzz3LWZTA8aK
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 10, 2014, 07:30:34 PM
Christian Fraser from the BBC has tweeted that Murat was not questioned today and he will return on Friday.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 10, 2014, 07:31:22 PM
I never knew Michaela was reported to have been seen in Morocco..

It was a long time ago VIXTE.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-saw-maddy-and-murats-girl-522702
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on December 10, 2014, 07:42:04 PM
It was a long time ago VIXTE.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-saw-maddy-and-murats-girl-522702

Ah the BNT.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 10, 2014, 07:44:02 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-to-question-robert-murat?

Murat to be questioned on Friday..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 10, 2014, 08:11:30 PM
http://news.sky.com/story/1389339/madeleine-mccann-cops-to-question-robert-murat?

Murat to be questioned on Friday..

They run out of time? Good one. 8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on December 10, 2014, 11:17:29 PM

Sick Facebook page mocking Madeleine McCann pulled amid mass condemnation

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sick-facebook-page-mocking-madeleine-4786595?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 11, 2014, 07:47:47 AM
Sick Facebook page mocking Madeleine McCann pulled amid mass condemnation

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sick-facebook-page-mocking-madeleine-4786595?


Have the perpetrators been identified ?

It seems a curious coincidence that this facebook page emerges at the same time as the SY questioning and the trial in  Portugal.

Rather strange to say the least. &%+((£
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 11, 2014, 08:30:48 AM
Just another of these coincidences that seem to crop up with this case - nothing suspicious at all.

I suspect nobody will be identified as being responsible.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on December 11, 2014, 08:47:26 AM
It must be some nuances of Glasgow slang as I don't read it as a slur?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2014, 11:40:51 AM
Image

Jornal de Notícias - e-paper/paper edition

(Translated by Astro)

Murat’s lawyer opposes English police

Scotland Yard, which investigates Maddie’s disappearance, will only question Murat tomorrow

by Marisa Rodrigues
11.12.2014

Robert Murat arrived at the Polícia Judiciária’s Southern Directory, where the diligences are taking place, shortly before 9.30, the time which he had been summoned for to give a statement. He entered through the garage, in the back seat of a car that was driven by a Judiciária employee, which also carried his wife, Michaela Walzuc, and their lawyer, Francisco Pagarete. But only Michaela started being heard.

Francisco Pagarete raised a juridical question – which delayed the diligence – over the fact that Murat, who was made an arguido in 2007, was subject to several interrogations about the same facts that he was now to be confronted with, within the scope of Scotland Yard’s investigation.

According to the lawyer, Portuguese justice cleared him from all suspicions related to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, therefore he could not be summoned again over the same reasons.

The issue was eventually resolved and the questioning was scheduled for tomorrow, with Robert Murat agreeing to answer the list of over one hundred questions.

The couple left the Judiciária shortly before 18h00 without speaking to the journalists.

Contacted by JN, the lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, did not clarify the reasons for the postponement.

Silvia Baptista, who worked as head of staff at the Ocean Club in 2007, was another witness heard yesterday.

Some of the questions focused on the hiring and the professional relationship with the driver who was made an arguido in July on request from British authorities.

Three other witnesses from a total of 11 will be heard today. All of them will be asked over 100 questions chosen by English police.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic24198.html#p317398
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 11, 2014, 12:23:16 PM
Sick Facebook page mocking Madeleine McCann pulled amid mass condemnation

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/sick-facebook-page-mocking-madeleine-4786595?

I think thats DISGUSTING what is wrong with people? There is just far too much sickness in this world now, to do that about a child who could have died in a horrible way is just so distressing.

Jeez some people are just sick in the head.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 11, 2014, 02:33:08 PM
It was a long time ago VIXTE.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/i-saw-maddy-and-murats-girl-522702

It would be easy to check her mobile data..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 11, 2014, 02:36:47 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869936/Female-Met-officer-taking-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-arrives-Portugal-ahead-questioning-former-suspect-Robert-Murat.html

(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/12/11/23F7B59300000578-2869936-image-m-14_1418299447688.jpg)

Taking the reins: DCI Nicola Wall walked into Faro Police Station with outgoing Operation Grange boss Andy Redwood just before 9.30am for the start of the third day of interviews with nearly a dozen witnesses.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 11, 2014, 03:00:08 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869936/Female-Met-officer-taking-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-arrives-Portugal-ahead-questioning-former-suspect-Robert-Murat.html

DCI Nicola Wall..

[ rude comment removed ]

Anyways, interesting that she was involved in the Tia Sharp case.

There were dog alerts in that one, which were overlooked by the filth, but then, low & behold... it were 'er *uncle wot dunnit.

ETA, Ooops, my mistake, 'e weren't 'er uncle, 'e were 'er mothers former boyfriend.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 11, 2014, 04:41:08 PM
Prolonged hearings Maddie case of witnesses
Hearings Mrs Murat  exhausted Wednesday of working time.


The chief inspector who will be responsible for the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007 arrived Thursday at the premises of the Judicial Police (PJ) in Faro, at a time when the inquiries the witnesses were extended until Friday.

The inspector who takes new functions to December 22, Nicola Wall of the Metropolitan Police Service 'came to the PJ in Faro at 9:25 a.m. flanked by Chief Inspector Andy Redwood who has been responsible for British Research in the last three and a half years and leaving research by reason of retirement. None of the inspectors made  comment to reporters on site.

The inquiries in the Algarve to 10 of 11 witnesses presented by the British researchers began on Tuesday and should end this Thursday, but the hearings of Mrs Murat and guy who several times has been touted as possible involved in the girl's disappearance have exhausted the Wednesday working time.
Maddie disappeared in 2007
The inquiry Robert Murat was thus set for Friday.


http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/detalhe/prolongado_periodo_de_audicoes_a_testemunhas_do_caso_maddie.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 11, 2014, 05:09:31 PM
According to the lawyer, Portuguese justice cleared him from all suspicions related to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, therefore he could not be summoned again over the same reasons.

So where does that leave Luz and her assertion that once an arguido, you remain a prime suspect until you've been cleared by a court of law?


What seems far more likely to me is that a legal objection was raised about answering the same questions all over again when his arguido status had already been lifted. It may be that some were the same (possibly an admin screw-up), without any explanation as to what potentially new information could justify them, but others may not be and are therefore retained.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 11, 2014, 05:40:48 PM
Police Investigation Continues Into The Disappearance Of Madeleine McCann


Faro, Portugal
11 December 2014

(http://i.imgur.com/r399e0a.jpg?1)

Detectives Chiefs Inspectors Nicola Wall and Andy Redwood arrive at Faro's Police Station during an investigation on Madeleine McCann case on December 11, 2014 in Faro, Portugal. British Police are observing questionings over this week by Portuguese Police to 11 people as part of an investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, who went missing at the age of three while on holidays with her family at the resort Praia da Luz in the Algarve in 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 11, 2014, 07:39:19 PM
According to the lawyer, Portuguese justice cleared him from all suspicions related to Madeleine McCann’s disappearance, therefore he could not be summoned again over the same reasons.

So where does that leave Luz and her assertion that once an arguido, you remain a prime suspect until you've been cleared by a court of law?


What seems far more likely to me is that a legal objection was raised about answering the same questions all over again when his arguido status had already been lifted. It may be that some were the same (possibly an admin screw-up), without any explanation as to what potentially new information could justify them, but others may not be and are therefore retained.
Murat was not cleared by court of law, this is cheap shot from his lawyer shot down by Police immediately so he appeared the next day.

To get cleared by court of law there has to be due process 
or trial, jury etc this was not case with Murat and other arguidos.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on December 11, 2014, 07:41:42 PM
Murat was not cleared by court of law, this is cheap shot from his lawyer shot down by Police immediately so he appeared the next day.

To get cleared by court of law there has to be due process 
or trial, jury etc this was not case with Murat and other arguidos.
There is a difference between being cleared of suspicion and being cleared in a court of law of whatever charges have been brought against you, do you not agree?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 11, 2014, 07:52:48 PM
Listen stop here you are on wrong track.

There was no charges filed against Robert Murat in court he was released, charges were not droped because there were no charges  only status changed.  If it was different he would have enjoyed his villa today instead of standing for interview.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on December 11, 2014, 07:56:34 PM
Listen stop here you are on wrong track.

There was no charges filed against Robert Murat in court he was released, charges were not droped because there were no charges  only status changed.  If it was different he would have enjoyed his villa today instead of standing for interview.

No charges filed against anyone ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: bros on December 11, 2014, 07:58:14 PM
correct.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 11, 2014, 08:42:43 PM
Listen stop here you are on wrong track.

There was no charges filed against Robert Murat in court he was released, charges were not droped because there were no charges  only status changed.  If it was different he would have enjoyed his villa today instead of standing for interview.

As as I'm aware, his status hasn't changed, either. He's due to be interviewed as a witness, I believe. It's not clear what the legal issue actually was, if indeed there ever was one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pegasus on December 11, 2014, 09:42:32 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2869936/Female-Met-officer-taking-Madeleine-McCann-inquiry-arrives-Portugal-ahead-questioning-former-suspect-Robert-Murat.html
"oversaw the investigation into the murder of Tia Sharp"

Presumably new boss has learnt from experience to never allow an investigation to head in wrong direction because of a sighting which may well turn out to be irrelevant.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 11, 2014, 09:49:13 PM
"oversaw the investigation into the murder of Tia Sharp"

Presumably new boss has learnt from experience to never allow an investigation to head in wrong direction because of a sighting which may well turn out to be irrelevant.

I believe SY has much much much much much more info than we have... One little detail they have in their phone and other data and all our theories fall like a house made of cards..  8)-)))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 11, 2014, 09:53:52 PM
Wasn't she questioned yesterday? And again today?? ( Edit: I found this on maddie files website, latest news -
I think there is an error in translation and Thursday should read Wednesday?)



Quote
11.12.2014 10:38

Period of witness questioning in the Maddie case is extended

Hearings of Murat's wife used up all of Thursday's work time.

The chief inspector who is going to be responsible for the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007 arrived this Thursday at the Polícia Judiciária's building in Faro, at a time when questioning of the witnesses has been extended until Friday.

The inspector who takes over the new job on the 22nd of December, Nicola Wall from the Metropolitan Police Service, arrived at the PJ in Faro at 09h25, sided by chief inspector Andy redwood who has been responsible for the British investigation over the last three and a half years and leaves the investigation due to his retirement. None of the inspectors made any comment to the journalists.

The questioning in the Algarve of 10 of the 11 witnesses that have been summoned by the British investigators started on Tuesday and were supposed to end this Thursday, but the hearing of the wife of Murat, a man who has been pointed out several times as possibly being involved in the little girl's disappearance, took up all of the work time on Wednesday.

Maddie disappeared in 2007

Therefore the questioning of Robert Murat was scheduled for Friday.

The investigation focuses on the disappearance of Madeleine McCann on the 3rd of May of 2007 when she was sleeping with her younger siblings in a bedroom in an apartment at a tourist resort in Praia da Luz, Algarve.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 11, 2014, 10:23:28 PM
2. PHONECALLS BETWEEN MURAT AND MALINKA
The police were understood to have taken in for questioning Sergey Malinka, 22, a man of Russian origin, from whose property officers also took away a laptop computer and two hard drives. Malinka had set up a website for Murat and the two exchanged frequent phone calls since Madeleine's disappearance — the reason the authorities started suspecting him.[41][42]

Malinka denied he had contacted Murat, and said he was "completely innocent".[44] Inconsistencies in his account of his relationship with Robert Murat emerged: he had said he had not contacted Murat in a year but Murat’s mobile phone records allegedly show he called Mr Malinka at 23:40 on the night Madeleine went missing.[45][46]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 11, 2014, 10:24:06 PM
This means eight witnesses saw Murat near the apartment that night and 'blows to bits' Murat's alibi that he was at his mother's house the entire night Madeleiene went missing.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 11, 2014, 10:54:54 PM

Madeleine || Met extends time for Madeleine questioning as Murat’s wife grilled “exhaustively”

It was another busy day in Faro yesterday as Met detectives reconvened for a new round of witness questioning in the inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

But this time, there were no punches thrown at newsmen, nor bottles of water hurled in disgust. Nonetheless the bottom line is that time allotted has been extended after the questioning of Robert Murat’s partner Michaela took a lot longer than expected.

According to Portuguese newspapers, Michaela Walczuch was grilled for a full eight hours. This meant that her husband, present in Faro throughout, will now face police on Friday - the day originally set aside for a meeting with PJ counterparts.

Today, it is the turn of Ocean Club managers John and Donna Hill and another Portuguese man - all of whom have been questioned in the past.

Meantime in Lisbon, the defamation trial of Gonçalo Amaral resumed - with final arguments presented by lawyers representing Kate and Gerry McCann.

The couple lodged a civil action against the former PJ detective, alleging defamation. It is a trial that has taken almost five years to reach this stage - and yesterday those reporting from the courtroom learned it could take until March to be settled.

Intriguingly, lawyers representing TVI and Amaral’s publishers Guerra e Paz remarked at the absence of journalists in the courtroom and the “repeated and convenient visits by Scotland Yard” “whenever there is a trial in session” to “deviate attention”.

While bystanders in Lisbon reported that the day had gone “very well”, British newspapers highlighted the “fortune” made by Amaral as a result of the publishing of his controversial book, “The Truth of the Lie” - the book to which the McCanns have so objected.

According to the Daily Mail, the lawyer representing Kate and Gerry McCann claims Amaral earned “at least €344,000” from the book and subsequent TV documentary.

The McCanns are suing Amaral for a reported €1.2 million, having explained to the trial in July that they felt “devastated and crushed” by the book in which Amaral presented the theory that Madeleine died by accident in the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

By NATASHA DONN

http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-met-extends-time-for-madeleine-questioning-as-murat%E2%80%99s-wife-grilled-%E2%80%9Cexhaustively%E2%80%9D
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 11, 2014, 11:06:03 PM
This means eight witnesses saw Murat near the apartment that night and 'blows to bits' Murat's alibi that he was at his mother's house the entire night Madeleiene went missing.

The people who actually knew him have said that he wasn't, though.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 11, 2014, 11:17:34 PM
I don't believe he was at home eating a sandwhich with his mother that night and heard nothing till the morning .that Russian malinka and his friends were a weird bunch . I watched the sky reporter ask him about Murat and he said I don't have sex with children .
He was very strange and Mathew fazaraky (think that was his name ) Optimus fett
Fala
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 11, 2014, 11:30:50 PM

Intriguingly, lawyers representing TVI and Amaral’s publishers Guerra e Paz remarked at the absence of journalists in the courtroom and the “repeated and convenient visits by Scotland Yard” “whenever there is a trial in session” to “deviate attention”.

LOL That's almost on a par with satellites being deviated from PdL.

Do they seriously think that both police forces, with all the organisation of witnesses involved, plan their schedules to deviate attention from a legal hearing in Lisbon, which might not have even taken place as half of them get adjourned at the last minute anyway?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 11, 2014, 11:58:42 PM
Intriguingly, lawyers representing TVI and Amaral’s publishers Guerra e Paz remarked at the absence of journalists in the courtroom and the “repeated and convenient visits by Scotland Yard” “whenever there is a trial in session” to “deviate attention”.

LOL That's almost on a par with satellites being deviated from PdL.

Do they seriously think that both police forces, with all the organisation of witnesses involved, plan their schedules to deviate attention from a legal hearing in Lisbon, which might not have even taken place as half of them get adjourned at the last minute anyway?

Please! This is Madeleine case news thread. There is a thread about Amaral, for people who are interested.

There might be some people in here who are interested purely in finding Madeleine and not in endless chess playing in between [ censored word] and pros. Especially not in Amaral's personality cult..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: valeria on December 12, 2014, 12:04:49 AM
They are treated as witnesses at the moment, not any kind of suspects.

I've just read MW's statement again and nowhere she accuses her ex husband so she telling this to Amaral might be a myth..

It is reported in Amaral's book. Somebody here had a quote in english. It seemed so strange that i searched in google and found a pdf with the book in portoguese. Although i have limited knowledge of this language  i am sure that this is what he meant. These are exactly the words from the book.

Michaela parece atirar as culpas do rapto de madeleine para cima do marido.

Maybe someone with better knowledge of portuguese could confirm this.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on December 12, 2014, 12:13:42 AM
This means eight witnesses saw Murat near the apartment that night and 'blows to bits' Murat's alibi that he was at his mother's house the entire night Madeleiene went missing.

I find it all very confusing. 

All he had to say to avoid suspicion was that he heard a commotion and was helping in the search. 
Under the circumstances no-one would have found his presence at the scene untoward ... and he would have had at least eight witnesses to the fact he was doing what they were doing ... looking for Madeleine.

I think having eight witnesses to your whereabouts beats having your mother as your only alibi witness hands down.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on December 12, 2014, 12:33:23 AM
I find it all very confusing. 

All he had to say to avoid suspicion was that he heard a commotion and was helping in the search. 
Under the circumstances no-one would have found his presence at the scene untoward ... and he would have had at least eight witnesses to the fact he was doing what they were doing ... looking for Madeleine.

I think having eight witnesses to your whereabouts beats having your mother as your only alibi witness hands down.

You also have to question why an unnamed friend of his found it necessary to invent a false alibi, claiming that they were both in a coffee shop at the time & the suspect was drunk.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: colombosstogey on December 12, 2014, 05:28:07 AM
So now everyone is concentrating on Michaela and Murat again.....arnt they witnessess?

Doesnt this mean they mean hold VITAL information to what could have happened to the child or something of interested? Both have been interviewed before and neither were accused.

As to extending the interview well i am not surprised i thought they had UNDERESTIMATED the time they would need to interview 11 witnesses, i expected 2 weeks at least taking out weekend.

Jeez i only went to police to report money stolen from my handbag at work and was there with the officer for TWO HOURS lol.....

We cant keep going back to what happened 7 years ago as it was made irrelevant and people have moved on, well are TRYING to move on.....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 12, 2014, 07:37:09 AM
This interest in Murat is very interesting.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 12, 2014, 08:24:36 AM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-30443689?

BBC has sade's map? kind of..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on December 12, 2014, 08:36:52 AM
This interest in Murat is very interesting.

Not at all.

It sounds like Birching.

Pun intended.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 12, 2014, 08:58:18 AM
I find it all very confusing. 

All he had to say to avoid suspicion was that he heard a commotion and was helping in the search. 
Under the circumstances no-one would have found his presence at the scene untoward ... and he would have had at least eight witnesses to the fact he was doing what they were doing ... looking for Madeleine.

I think having eight witnesses to your whereabouts beats having your mother as your only alibi witness hands down.

On the other hand, if he was at home at the time, why should he say otherwise?

Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, we are told, so unless they knew him well, could easily be mistaken for someone else with a passing resemblance, particularly as it was night-time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2014, 09:03:39 AM
Posted by portugalpress on December 10, 2014

McCann defamation case comes to court as media concentrates on Algarve
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Final arguments in the €1 million case for defamation brought five years ago by the parents of Madeleine McCann against former PJ policeman Gonçalo Amaral were being heard in court in Lisbon on Wednesday morning.

The judge’s decision on the case is expected to come in February.

Amaral told newspapers this week that throughout the trial the McCanns have “tried to pass off the idea that what is being judged is their innocence”.

“Legally, this is not at issue at all,” he told Jornal de Notícias this week. “What is at issue is the lawfulness or unlawfulness of the book I wrote and, if so, whether it is possible to establish a causality link between the book and the possible damages they allege to have suffered.”

As the spotlight once again shifted to Amaral’s book “A Verdade da Mentira (The Truth of the Lie)” in Lisbon, miles south in the Algarve a new selection of key witnesses prepared for a day of questioning by visiting Met detectives working on Operation Grange.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2014, 09:14:05 AM
It is reported in Amaral's book. Somebody here had a quote in english. It seemed so strange that i searched in google and found a pdf with the book in portoguese. Although i have limited knowledge of this language  i am sure that this is what he meant. These are exactly the words from the book.

Michaela parece atirar as culpas do rapto de madeleine para cima do marido.

Maybe someone with better knowledge of portuguese could confirm this.


Thank you valeria,
You will find this in the english version in chapter 7 "Murat case"
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2014, 05:26:04 PM
Not exactly new, but todays news anyway.....

 Former Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat quiz...12-12-14




Former Madeleine McCann suspect Robert Murat quizzed at Algarve police station for four hours by Met detectives

▪ IT consultant was driven into Faro Police Station through a back entrance
▪ It was the second time in three days he had attended the station
▪ Murat is being quizzed as a witness in the Madeleine McCann case
▪ The 41-year-old was originally a suspect, but subsequently cleared
▪ He was the last of ten men and women quizzed as witnesses this week

By Gerard Couzens for MailOnline
12 December 2014

Former suspect Robert Murat was questioned for more than four hours today at an Algarve police station over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

The IT consultant, 41, was driven away from Faro Police Station late lunchtime along with his lawyer Francisco Pagarete after answering questions as a witness.

It was the second time in three days he had attended the station.

Police were due to quiz the British expat on Wednesday but ran out of time after interviewing his German-born wife Michaela Walczuch, 38, as a witness.

He was the last of ten men and women - four Brits, a German and five Portuguese nationals - quizzed as witnesses this week on the Algarve at Scotland Yard’s request.

A British woman described as the wife of one of the Portuguese witnesses is also understood to have been questioned in the UK.

There was no immediate word on what Mr Murat had been asked or replied.

The interviews were conducted behind closed doors and Mr Pagarete declined to comment.

Michaela did not return to the police station with her husband today.

There was no sign either of Operation Grange boss Andy Redwood or DCI Nicola Wall, who is due to take charge of the British police probe into Madeleine’s disappearance when he retires later this month.

The police quiz of Mr Murat, made a formal suspect or arguido days after Madeleine went missing on May 3 2007 before being cleared a year later, had been expected to last until much later in the day.

Speaking before he received his official notification, he said: 'My conscience is clear and I have no problem speaking to police again.'

Michaela, Mr Murat's girlfriend when Madeleine vanished, was questioned three times as a witness after the youngster's disappearance.

A Portuguese lorry driver later came forward to say he had seen a blonde woman he said resembled estate agent Michaela passing a blanket containing a child to a man on an Algarve farm the day after Madeleine vanished.

A Spanish woman also claimed she had spotted her in a town in northern Morocco in June 2007, moments after she had seen a girl who looked just like Madeleine.

Michaela, whose home was searched by Portuguese police after Madeleine disappeared, complained of being treated like dirt by detectives and claimed Kate and Gerry McCann's former detective agency Metodo 3 had cynically used her.

Protesting her innocence in a December 2007 interview with a UK newspaper, she said: 'I lost my faith not just in justice but in the whole system and everyone that supports it.

'The worst part is people putting me in this, knowing I have nothing to do with it.

'They have no feelings, no heart. They are completely empty.

'When Robert called me to tell me that there was a story about these sightings I went into town and I just saw my face on the front of all the papers. I felt sick.

'I just wanted to scream 'I didn't do it'.

The police quizzes taking place this week are the first since four men were questioned as arguidos at the start of July.

All four - who included Russian businessman Sergey Malinka and a schizophrenic heroin addict - insisted they had nothing to do with Madeleine McCann's disappearance.

British police believe Madeleine was killed during a bungled burglary, a theory their Portuguese counterparts who are conducting their own parallel investigation into Madeleine's disappearance have privately rubbished.

Parts of the Praia da Luz resort where the youngster vanished were dug up in June at Scotland Yard's request in a grim search for her body - but failed to yield any clues.
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2871343/Former-Madeleine-McCann-suspect-Robert-Murat-arrives-Algarve-police-station-questioning-Met-detectives.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 12, 2014, 05:29:26 PM
Can we assume from that report that he is no longer being questioned?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 12, 2014, 06:19:34 PM
Jornal de Notícias - e-paper/paper edition

(Translated by Astro)

Murat to be heard today, his wife already into second day

by Marisa Rodrigues
12.12.2014

The third day of questioning was marked by the first presence of the new Scotland Yard team leader, the British police force that investigates the disappearance of Madeleine McCann. Nicola Wall was at the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) yesterday, in Faro, to learn about the latest steps in the case and to meet the Portuguese inspectors that carry out the requested diligences.

The chief inspector, with a career in homicide and violent crime, arrived at the PJ at 9h20. She arrived on foot and walked through the front door in the company of Andy Redwood, who will retire at the end of the year. She smiled, greeted the journalists and made no statement. At the end of the day, she left through the garage, with other members of the English team.

Yesterday, three further witnesses were heard - a Portuguese man, the English manager of the resort where Madeleine disappeared from, John Hill, and his wife, Donna Rafferty-Hill, who worked at the Ocean Club. The couple did not speak to the journalists.

The most eagerly awaited questioning remains that of Robert Murat. Scheduled for yesterday morning, it was postponed until today because the lawyer, Francisco Pagarete, raised doubts about the legality of his questioning as as witness, because the British man had already been investigated when he was made an arguido in 2007, having been cleared. Another issue was the question of time, given that Pagarete is also the lawyer of Robert's wife, Michaela Walczuch, and he accompanied her questioning, until almost 18h00.

The deposition of Robert and three other witnesses that have been summoned to the PJ today, close the questioning of ten persons, as a British woman remains to be questioned in England.


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic24209.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 12, 2014, 09:04:58 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-question-british-4799740?

Madeleine McCann: Police question British ex-pat witness Robert Murat for four hours
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2014, 08:42:57 PM
I wonder how these news reporters know what has been said inside the police station, if judicial secrecy is in place?

__________________________________________________________




Jornal de Notícias - e-paper/paper edition

(Translated by Astro)

Murat protects himself from 200 questions

by Marisa Rodrigues
13.12.2014

The new questioning of Robert Murat, the British citizen who was the first arguido in the case, was of liitle use to Nicola Wall, the new Scotland Yard chief for the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, in 2007.

Murat was heard yesterday at the Polícia Judiciária (PJ) in Faro, at the request of English authorities, as a witness, although he is seen by Scotland Yard as a person of "high interest". Robert arrived at the PJ at 9h30, accompanied by his lawyer Francisco Pagarete, and entered through the garage in a car driven by a Judiciária employee. He left the same way, at 13h05.

As Jornal de Notícias was able to establish, the British man had a list of 200 questions waiting for him, which had been prepared by British police, but the questioning didn't last long, as Robert referenced to the answers he had already given to the PJ on the various occasions that he was questioned as an arguido. Francisco Pagarete refused to comment.

Yesterday, three other witnesses from the ten that were notified were heard. One British woman will give a statement in England. Nicola Wall was not seen at the PJ. The day before yesterday she had a meeting with the PJ team that has been carrying out the diligences.
http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic24223.html

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 13, 2014, 08:48:46 PM
I would have thought that judicial secrecy referred to official statements from the police, not unofficial leaks. Just like SY aren't giving a running commentary/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 13, 2014, 09:49:58 PM
Mirror reported him being questioned for 4 hours..and he said he'd be happy to answer the questions anyway.. but if the questions were implicating him or trying to set him up he'd of course not answer them..
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 13, 2014, 10:13:31 PM
Mirror reported him being questioned for 4 hours..and he said he'd be happy to answer the questions anyway.. but if the questions were implicating him or trying to set him up he'd of course not answer them..
Surely that will only apply if he is arguido? As a witness he is obliged to answer or risk prosecution?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 13, 2014, 10:17:36 PM
Surely that will only apply if he is arguido? As a witness he is obliged to answer or risk prosecution?

I think he did answer his questions and the report is wrong.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on December 13, 2014, 10:19:52 PM

I suspect that Robert Murat is not obliged to answer questions that he has already answered in previous interviews.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 13, 2014, 10:27:34 PM
Mirror reported him being questioned for 4 hours..and he said he'd be happy to answer the questions anyway.. but if the questions were implicating him or trying to set him up he'd of course not answer them..
This is perfectly reasonable and is exactly what kate did
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 13, 2014, 10:29:25 PM
We have conflicting reports about his questioning: British media reports him being questioned for 4 hours while Portuguese media says he was in for short time and had invoked his right of not answering. Is there a way that both might be true?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 13, 2014, 10:43:23 PM
He entered the headquarters at 9.30 and left at 13.05, so approx. 3hrs.35mins according to DN timing.

They (DN) were able to establish   etc.etc....... His Lawyer refused to comment, which could mean that possibly, RM told them, that he didn't answer all the questions. Your guess is as good as mine really, as to how they did find out

The link under the news post will take you to this news in Portuguese, if you wish to check it out.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on December 14, 2014, 01:27:04 AM
You cannot make this up!


EXCLUSIVE: Brazilians in the frame in Madeleine hunt

The behaviour of a Brazilian couple who were seen acting suspiciously around the time of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance is now being re-examined by Portuguese police.

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December 14, 2014
By JAMES MURRAY
   
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After British detectives sat in on interviews in Faro with witnesses last week, the Sunday Express can reveal Policia Judiciaria co-ordinator Ana Paula Rito is taking a broader look at leads which may not have been fully pursued.

She is now keen to learn more about the Brazilian couple, who are said to have expressed a strong desire to have a child when they were in the ­Algarve in May 2007 when Madeleine vanished.

A few days after Madeleine vanished from flat 5a of the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz, a British man came forward with his concerns about the couple and was interviewed by Portuguese detectives.

On the night of the abduction the man was closing his video rental shop just a few streets away from the apartment.

At 10.45pm, 45 minutes after Kate McCann had discovered that her daughter was missing, he noticed the Brazilian woman, aged about 25, driving past his shop in a red car.

he couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again
He told police there was a dog in the front seat and the woman driver kept looking at something on the back seat which he could not see.

Her partner, a bald Brazilian man in his early 40s, had worked on a local farm but was fired after some machinery was damaged and later worked at Lagos marina, about four miles from Luz doing boat ­repair work.

The couple, who were staying on a yacht at the marina left shortly after the disappearance and have not been seen again.

A dark-haired woman seen hanging around the apartment at 8pm on the night Madeleine vanished has never been identified or traced.

On Friday expatriate British businessman Robert Murat was ­re-interviewed for several hours, the last of 10 witnesses to be seen.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/546818/Brazilian-couple-who-wanted-a-child-re-examined-in-Madeleine-hunt?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed%29
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on December 14, 2014, 08:50:39 AM
You cannot make this up!

Someone has.


'On the night of the abduction the man was closing his video rental shop just a few streets away from the apartment.'

'At 10.45pm, 45 minutes after Kate McCann had discovered that her daughter was missing, he noticed the Brazilian woman, aged about 25, driving past his shop in a red car.'

'He told police there was a dog in the front seat and the woman driver kept looking at something on the back seat which he could not see.'


She kept looking, whilst driving past.

What did she do, kerb crawl past his shop?

You'd think if she were abducting a kid she'd get the hell out of there, not, go for a sunday drive.

What a load of old pants.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on December 15, 2014, 05:04:43 AM
It is reported in Amaral's book. Somebody here had a quote in english. It seemed so strange that i searched in google and found a pdf with the book in portoguese. Although i have limited knowledge of this language  i am sure that this is what he meant. These are exactly the words from the book.

Michaela parece atirar as culpas do rapto de madeleine para cima do marido.

Maybe someone with better knowledge of portuguese could confirm this.

From Dr Amaral's book (page 44)

On May 14th, the home and vehicles belonging to Michaela and Luis Antonio are searched. The couple are interviewed in the afternoon. Michaela hints that she suspects her husband. Luis Antonio, as a person responsible for maintaining swimming pools, has access to a great number of hotel or private residences, spread throughout the Vila da Luz and Lagos area. Certain buildings are closed for a good part of the year, but in spring, the pools are prepared before the summer season. Searches are ordered of all the residences concerned, without success. No trace, anywhere, of Madeleine. We're back to square one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on December 15, 2014, 05:46:59 AM
A selection of latest news reports from Correio da Manhá.


Maddie case: Witness attacks cameraman

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9 December 2014

Images were recorded by the Morning Post TV channel.

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An image of a CMTV reporter being attacked, on Tuesday, by a witness who was heard in the Maddie case today in the Judicial Police (PJ) of Faro.  British police are back in Portugal for further inquiries in the Maddie case, who disappeared in Praia da Luz in the Algarve in 2007. Eleven people are being heard as witnesses at the PJ in Faro.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/caso_maddie_testemunha_agride_camara_da_cmtv.html

Video footage (http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/multimedia/detalhe/caso_maddie_testemunha_agride_camara_da_cmtv.html)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on December 15, 2014, 06:10:48 AM
Madeleine McCann police quiz rapist pig farmer for 6 hours

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Dec 09, 2014 22:44
By David Collins, Gerard Couzens

Scotland Yard officers interviewed convicted rapist for six hours and eight more are set to be interviewed.

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(left) Jose Marques (pig farmer) and inset DCI Redwood and Mario Marreiros (laundryman)

A convicted rapist was interviewed for the third time yesterday over the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Scotland Yard detectives spent more than six hours talking to dreadlocked pig farmer Joaquim Jose Marques.

Marques is among 11 men and women who this week are being interviewed by British and Portuguese officers probing the mystery.

Madeleine, from Leicestershire, vanished from her family’s holiday apartment in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007, days before her fourth birthday.

Marques was first questioned by police 20 days after she disappeared.

It is understood he was ruled out of the Portuguese police inquiry after giving an alibi. He was questioned again after the release of a sketch by an FBI-trained artist based on descriptions by British tourist Gail Cooper.

She told police a “creepy man” came to her villa asking for donations for an orphanage days before Madeleine went missing.

Yesterday Marques was spoken to as a witness and not as a “person of interest” to the police. Marques, who at the time was living with a British hairdresser girlfriend and their three-year-old daughter, was identified then as a convicted rapist by Portuguese press. He was sentenced to five years in jail in 1996 for raping his British teenage victim in Praia da Luz in 1995.

Marques threatened reporters with a gun outside his Algarve farm in January 2008.

Looking dishevelled yesterday, he threw a punch at a cameraman as he left a police station in Faro.

As he returned after a quick lunch, he threw a bottle of water at another. Police yesterday also talked to Mario Marreiros, 48, the former laundryman at the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz where Madeleine was staying. He was also treated as a witness by police.

He revealed last year how he told police he saw a man wearing sunglasses lurking in a stairwell near her apartment 24 hours
before she vanished.

He told a newspaper he had never been spoken to by British police and insisted: “My theory is that guy must have been involved.”

Twice-divorced Mario, who lives near Praia, blamed a secrecy order imposed by a Portuguese judge for preventing him from speaking sooner.

The potential suspect he identified is understood to have been ruled out after turning out to be a tourist.

A third unidentified man interviewed by police refused to talk to reporters as he arrived at Faro Police Station.

The interviews arranged for this week, following a fifth international letter of request from Britain, are the first since four men were quizzed as “arguidos”, or persons of interest, at the start of July.

British police believe Madeleine was snatched during a bungled burglary.

They have reportedly supplied over 250 questions for the Portuguese authorities to ask the 11 witnesses. Parts of the resort were dug up in June at Scotland Yard’s request. However, the dig failed to yield any clues.

The British investigation, with officers from Scotland Yard led by DCI Andy Redwood, is understood to have so far cost around £8million. DCI Nicola Wall, from the Met’s Homicide and Major Crime Command Unit, will lead the investigation when Mr Redwood retires on December 22.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-rapist-4779612?mobile=false
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on December 15, 2014, 06:14:19 AM

I don't like the look of any of them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on December 15, 2014, 06:53:38 AM
Maddie case: Murat's responses postponed

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Report by Pedro F Guerreiro, Rui Pando Gomes and Tiago Griff
11 December 2014

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Robert Murat's wife, Michaela Walczuch was questioned by the PJ for eight hours in Faro while SY officers looked on.

After eight hours on the premises of the Judicial Police of Faro, Robert Murat left without answering any questions. The examination as a witness of the British-Portuguese - who was first suspected by the Portuguese investigation of the Maddie case but later cleared - was postponed until tomorrow.  Postponing the Murat inquiry is related to the legal question raised by his lawyer, because he was found not guilty by the Portuguese police, and over time the inspectors were slow to hear the woman, Michaela Walczuch, who was extensively questioned.  Yesterday, Sylvia Baptista, who had responsibility for staff development and who actively participated in the searches to find the English child was heard. Today will be heard three more witnesses. CM can reveal it will be the manager of the Ocean Club, John Hill, and his wife, both British, and a Portuguese man. It is recalled that in the hours after the disappearance on May 3, 2007, while Maddie's parents insisted that there had been a kidnapping, John Hill stated that the child could have disappeared because the window was open.  "The alarm was raised shortly after 22: 00. We started soon to look for the child, with the help of guests and locals. We searched the resort, beach, streets, gardens and even cars. The GNR arrived at 22.45 and efforts continued, but without success, "said Hill in 2007.

The new leader of the British investigation, Nicola Wall, will meet this morning with the director of the PJ in Faro, Luis Mota Carmo. The UK authorities have suggested a list of 253 questions to be asked by the Judicial Police to eleven people.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/respostas_de_murat_adiadas.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on December 15, 2014, 09:30:15 AM
This is perfectly reasonable and is exactly what kate did

Except that, if Murat was questioned as an informal witness, he is legally obliged to answer questions.

Equally, if he is questioned as an informal witness, Portuguese law does not permit that he be asked leading or incriminating questions.

His status would have to change to arguido for that to happen.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Kazcutt on December 15, 2014, 04:40:45 PM
Pig man shaved his hair off just after 3/5/07 remember him pointing the gun at Sky reporter
He has bad dodgy past
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 16, 2014, 03:17:56 PM
Maddie case: English want to come back

British will ask for more time after enquiries produce no results.

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By João Mira Godinho, Pedro F. Guerreiro
13 December 2014

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Robert Murat departs PJ headquarters in Faro after several hours of questioning as a witness.

Having spent eight hours on the premises of the PJ in Faro without answering any questions, Robert Murat was eventually questioned for about four hours. The questioning of the Portuguese Britain – the first to be accused the investigation of the disappearance of Maddie from Praia da Luz in Lagos, in 2007, but later exonerated – was the last of the eleven made in four days.

However, the enquiries have not produced any new arguidos or unearthed any relevant clues. The British should now need to send a new rogatory letter in order to pursue further enquiries. Robert Murat was summoned to give evidence by the PJ on Wednesday, as was his wife, Michaela Walzuc, also a witness. But only she answered the questions of the authorities that day, because the lawyer of Murat, Francisco Pagarete, eventually raised a legal issue as his client had already been subjected to interrogation on the same facts, and having been cleared. So yesterday, he answered about 200 questions prepared by Scotland Yard, later leaving accompanied by his lawyer in a PJ car, putting an end to this round of the investigation.

The CM found that none of the eleven new witnesses were designated arguida, having not come up with any given new evidence as a result of enquiries made since Tuesday. Detective chief inspector Nicola Wall, who replaces Andy Redwood as head of the investigation from the end of the month wasn't at the PJ yesterday. But she is the one who will now decide what new steps are required in order to unravel the disappearance of Maddie.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/ingleses_querem_voltar.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 16, 2014, 03:25:18 PM
So what were they expecting, a breakthrough ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on December 16, 2014, 03:31:46 PM
Maddie case: English want to come back

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Robert Murat departs PJ headquarters in Faro after several hours of questioning as a witness.



British will ask for more time after inquiries produce no results.

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By João Mira Godinho, Pedro F. Guerreiro
13 December 2014

Having spent eight hours on the premises of the PJ in Faro without answering any questions, Robert Murat was eventually questioned for about four hours. The questioning of the Portuguese Britain – the first to be accused the investigation of the disappearance of Maddie from Praia da Luz in Lagos, in 2007, but later exonerated – was the last of the eleven made in four days.

However, the enquiries have not produced any new arguidos or unearthed any relevant clues. The British should now need to send a new rogatory letter in order to pursue further enquiries. Robert Murat was summoned to give evidence by the PJ on Wednesday, as was his wife, Michaela Walzuc, also a witness. But only she answered the questions of the authorities that day, because the lawyer of Murat, Francisco Pagarete, eventually raised a legal issue as his client had already been subjected to interrogation on the same facts, and having been cleared. So yesterday, he answered about 200 questions prepared by Scotland Yard, later leaving accompanied by his lawyer in a PJ car, putting an end to this round of the investigation.

The CM found that none of the eleven new witnesses were designated arguida, having not come up with any given new evidence as a result of enquiries made since Tuesday. Detective chief inspector Nicola Wall, who replaces Andy Redwood as head oif the investigation from the end of the month wasn't at the PJ yesterday. But she's the one who will decide what new steps are required in order to unravel the disappearance of Maddie.

www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/ingleses_querem_voltar.html

I don't follow the two parts I underline.

Murat was questioned without answering questions.

Yet he was questioned as an informal witness.

I thought informal witnesses had to answer questions.

Has there been another change to the law?

Another thing that puzzles me is that he was accompanied by his lawyer.

Informal witnesses generally aren't, but arguidos obviously are ...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 16, 2014, 03:37:37 PM
I don't follow the two parts I underline.

Murat was questioned without answering questions.

Yet he was questioned as an informal witness.

I thought informal witnesses had to answer questions.

Has there been another change to the law?

Another thing that puzzles me is that he was accompanied by his lawyer.

Informal witnesses generally aren't, but arguidos obviously are ...

He attended as a witness but his lawyer intervened since Mr Murat has already provided answers to these questions when he was an arguido.  No doubt several hours later they did a deal and he agreed to answer new questions.

Having his lawyer present might not have been a requirement but somewhat essential in the circumstances, don't you think?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on December 16, 2014, 03:39:22 PM
He attended as a witness but his lawyer intervened since Mr Murat has already provided answers to these questions when he was an arguido.  No doubt several hours later they did a deal and he agreed to answer new questions.

Having his lawyer present might not have been a requirement but somewhat essential in the circumstances, don't you think?

I've no objection to him having his lawyer present.

I just didn't think it was allowed ...

Thinking about it, it may be similar to when Kate and Gerry were interviewed.  Interviews with lawyers present, begun of witnesses with informal status, but with arguido status imposed at some point during the interview.

Then again, the account says no arguidos were named.

This is correia de Manaha.

Perhaps best to wait for a more reliable source.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on December 16, 2014, 04:09:50 PM
He attended as a witness but his lawyer intervened since Mr Murat has already provided answers to these questions when he was an arguido.  No doubt several hours later they did a deal and he agreed to answer new questions.

Having his lawyer present might not have been a requirement but somewhat essential in the circumstances, don't you think?

This is how I see it.  And it makes perfect sense to me.  With all that Arguido stuff about answering or not answering questions, how can he be obliged to answer questions he has already answered?

Unless to trap him, which I don't think they are allowed to do.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 16, 2014, 04:57:43 PM
I've no objection to him having his lawyer present.

I just didn't think it was allowed ...

Thinking about it, it may be similar to when Kate and Gerry were interviewed.  Interviews with lawyers present, begun of witnesses with informal status, but with arguido status imposed at some point during the interview.

Then again, the account says no arguidos were named.

This is correia de Manaha.

Perhaps best to wait for a more reliable source.

The law changed - witnesses are allowed to have a legal representative present, but with a limited capacity to intervene: they can just point out legal issues.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on December 16, 2014, 05:02:11 PM
Were MW & RM the only 2 witnesses who had lawyers in attendance?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 20, 2014, 05:22:25 AM
Five of the witnesses questioned by the PJ last week.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 20, 2014, 08:30:34 PM
» A new shake-up in the Madeleine case?
Posted by portugalpress on December 19, 2014
A new shake-up in the Madeleine case?
The Operation Grange investigation by the Metropolitan Police into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is said to be “upbeat” and set to continue despite mounting costs, a top resignation and apparently still no breakthrough in sight.
The latest episode in this extraordinary case, with Scotland Yard detectives questioning 10 people in Faro, does not seem to have resulted in any meaningful progress.
The previous high point in the investigation featured British police searching across three sites next to Praia da Luz in the summer. Scorned by sceptics as a ‘whitewash’ and a ‘circus,’ the searches produced no new evidence and gave rise not only to exasperation among local citizens, but also speculation that the investigation was nearing its endgame.
The speculation heightened with news that the cost of the inquiry was approaching £10 million at a time of stringent budget cuts that could have disastrous consequences for police forces across the UK.
The announcement that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood was retiring from the Met as the head of Operation Grange further invigorated the notion that the case was going nowhere.
“After careful consideration and a full and rewarding career in the Met, the time is right for me to move on,” Redwood said.
A headline in the Mirror declared: “Madeleine McCann top cop quits: This does send a certain kind of message.”
The paper reported that with Redwood’s resignation, “the inquiry into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann suffered a blow”. It went on to quote a source close to the inquiry: “The investigation has gone on for three-and-a-half years now. However, a lead detective would not typically stand down if they can see a result in the pipeline.”
If this did indeed send “a certain kind of message,” it was somewhat confused by the simultaneous announcement that DCI Nicola Wall was to replace Redwood as leader of the Operation Grange team.
This left some observers wondering if the latest questioning in Faro was a last ditch effort that might soon lead to a formal wrapping up of the investigation. Not so, apparently.
Anthony Summers, co-author with his wife Robbyn Swan of the book Looking for Madeleine, told the BBC Breakfast programme that, according to his sources, the Operation Grange team is “upbeat and believes the case is solvable”.
There is said to be no political pressure, no hidden agenda and no pressure or problem about expenditure.
The team still comprises about 30 officers and support staff, essentially the same number as earlier in the investigation. The expectation is that they will continue ploughing methodically though a vast amount of information.
So, the indications are that although the investigation is taking a very long time with apparently little success, this should not be interpreted as meaning that detectives are pessimistic about the case or about to give up.
It has been known by insiders for some months that Redwood was going to retire. But immediately after the announcement, the Mirror quoted a senior Labour MP as saying: “There are times when public duty must override personal circumstances, and this is one of them. If senior officers were aware of the DCI’s retirement plans, why was he put on to this case in the first place?”
Interesting question, but this is a side issue.
The main thrust is that Nicola Wall has now met the senior Portuguese officials she will be collaborating with after formally taking command of Operation Grange on December 22.
When Inês Sequeira was appointed Portimão’s new public prosecutor in October she was quoted in the press as being “utterly determined” to crack the case.
She has the backing of Portugal’s first woman attorney general, Joana Marques Vidal, Portimão’s PJ chief, Ana Paula Rito, and the Porto-based PJ detective in charge of the Portuguese investigation, Helena Monteiro.
Nicola Wall has served at the Met for 26 years, most recently as head of the Murder Investigation Team in West London. Hitherto she has not had much media coverage, but that’s about to change.
Vogue magazine last year reported that she prided herself on her investigative speed; that she was only partially joking when she attributed her low media profile to the fact “we solve cases so quickly nobody gets involved”.
By LEN PORT
An omen perhaps?
http://portugalresident.com/a-new-shake-up-in-the-madeleine-case

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ferryman on December 20, 2014, 09:56:18 PM
The law changed - witnesses are allowed to have a legal representative present, but with a limited capacity to intervene: they can just point out legal issues.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 21, 2014, 07:34:11 PM


 Mr and Mrs McCann paid tribute to Mr Redwood's work on the investigation into their daughter's disappearance.

In a statement, they said: "We would really like to thank Andy Redwood for his commitment to the search for Madeleine. We appreciate everything he has done and the great progress that has been made under his leadership.

"We are sure the investigation will continue in the same positive way under his successor DCI Wall.

"We don't think Andy could have done more for our family, especially for Madeleine."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11275266/Detective-leading-hunt-for-Madeleine-McCann-steps-down.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on December 21, 2014, 07:41:14 PM
Kate and Gerry McCann paid tribute to Andy Redwood for his commitment to uncovering the truth about what happened to Madeleine, who vanished in Portugal in 2007.

They spoke out as Scotland Yard confirmed that the 49-year-old Detective Chief Inspector is retiring and ­leaving the multi-million pound inquiry in two weeks.

    We appreciate everything he has done and the great progress made under his leadership

    The McCanns

The McCanns, who were informed about the decision before it was announced, said: “We don’t think he could have done more for our family, especially for Madeleine.

“We would really like to thank Andy Redwood for his commitment to the search for Madeleine. We appreciate everything he has done and the great progress made under his leadership. We are sure the investigation will continue in the same positive way.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/544303/Police-chief-leading-new-Madeleine-McCann-probe-retires
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on December 23, 2014, 11:49:06 AM
Madeleine McCann: parents Kate and Gerry humbled by Christmas messages of support

By Ciaranfagan  |  Posted: December 23, 2014

Kate and Gerry McCann today spoke of the “humbling experience” of receiving hundreds of Christmas cards wishing them well in the search for their daughter, Madeleine.

The couple said their determination to continue the search in the new year had not lessened.

Madeleine, was three when she disappeared from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in the Algarve in May 2007.

In a statement issued today, the Rothley couple said: “Once again we have been amazed this year by the support we continue to have for our search for Madeleine.

“Opening the hundreds of Christmas cards has once again been a truly humbling experience.

“The warmth, kindness and commitment to never forget has precipitated more than a few happy tears. Thank you.

“It’s hard to ignore that ‘here we are again’ feeling at this time of year, still with no idea where our daughter is or of what’s happened.

“What we can say is that our resolve to find out, as well as the hope which has always been present, has not lessened.

“In addition it’s very apparent that the determination of the Metropolitan Police remains steadfast, in spite of the persistent challenges they face.

“No matter where she is, Madeleine will, as always, be very much with us and our family this Christmas.

“Thank you for holding her in your hearts too.”

Earlier this year, British police officers travelled to the resort and conducted a 10-day search of open land near the holiday apartment.

The search yielded no trace of the youngster. However, the couple said the police activity had reinforced their belief Madeleine is still alive.

http://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/Madeleine-McCann-parents-Kate-Gerry-humbled/story-25754718-detail/story.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 24, 2014, 08:13:47 AM
Daily Mirror

Madeleine McCann's parents will leave her Christmas gifts in her untouched room

Dec 23, 2014 16:47
By Martin Fricker, Tracey Kandohla

Kate and Gerry McCann will leave gifts in her pink bedroom, as they have every year since she vanished aged three during a family holiday to the Algarve in 2007



The parents of Madeleine McCann have said she will be in their thoughts as they mark their eighth Christmas without her.

Kate and Gerry McCann will leave gifts in her pink bedroom, as they have every year since she vanished aged three during a family holiday to the Algarve in 2007.

The couple, both 46, said: “No matter where she is, Madeleine will, as always, be very much with us.”

They added: “Opening the hundreds of Christmas cards has once again been a truly humbling experience.

“The warmth, kindness and commitment to never forget has precipitated more than a few happy tears.”

Kate and Gerry, of Rothley, Leics, said the Metropolitan Police’s determination remained steadfast “despite persistent challenges.”

The couple said they cannot ignore that "here we are again" feeling during the festive season.

Scotland Yard's multi-million investigation into Maddie's disappearance has so far struggled to unearth any new clues.

The added: "Once again we have been amazed this year by the support we continue to have for our search for Madeleine."

It has been revealed Portugese Police snubbed a request by their British counterparts for crucial DNA in the case looking into her disappearance.

Repeated pleas by the Metropolitan Police for samples and fingerprints from four Portuguese men were denied as local police said it would be illegal.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-leave-christmas-4868548

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 24, 2014, 04:52:28 PM


http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic24279.html?sid=b9cc9b200c032be3e59aa2289655a39e

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/548619/Parents-Madeleine-McCann-speak-of-tears
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on January 06, 2015, 02:00:33 PM
Mark Warner terminates their contract with Ocean Club resort in Luz.

www.miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5875.msg209960#msg209960
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on January 18, 2015, 01:54:58 AM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/552675/alibi-chef-Madeleine-McCann-Shane-Leighton?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-express-uk-news+%28Daily+Express+%3A%3A+UK+Feed%29Shane LeightonPH

Madeleine police check chef's alibi
A BRITON who allegedly claimed that he killed Madeleine McCann before knifing a woman is being investigated by police.

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Shane Leighton, 22, is being held in a Portuguese prison, accused of stabbing Clara Corrigan 17 times last May.

During the attack, Clara, 39, alleges the trainee chef boasted that he killed three year- old Madeleine, who vanished on May 3, 2007, from Praia da Luz on the Algarve.

When he allegedly attacked Clara, Leighton was living with his grandparents, Sylvia and Barry Leighton, in Albuefeira, also on the Algarve.

Detectives have been checking his alibi, that he was a 15-year-old schoolboy in Britain when Madeleine vanished.

Officers have interviewed his father and spoken to the head teacher of his school in Lancing, near Worthing, West Sussex.

They sought school records to see if he was absent or on holiday.

As part of the inquiry they would also have sought his passport records. Sylvia Leighton said:

“We are aware that Scotland Yard officers have been looking into these allegations because of what the woman said.

“They are doing their job but we don’t think there is anything in this.

Shane wasn’t even in Portugal at the time Madeleine went missing.

There is no way he had anything to do with it.”

Clara, a single mother of three, from Liverpool, was staying in Albufeira last spring when she met Leighton.

She told police she fell asleep at his grandparents’ house but woke with him on top of her.

She said: “He shouted ‘I killed Madeleine McCann and I am going to kill you’.”

She suffered 17 knife wounds to her buttocks and lower back.

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Old news being rehashed as fresh news.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on January 18, 2015, 11:38:02 PM



Taken from F/Book



Digging for Madeleine McCann

12 hrs ·
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Stephen D Birch plans to engadge directly with Prime Minister David Cameron via diplomatic channels for the release of Madeleine McCanns body !

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Mr Birch is still a man on a mission.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on January 27, 2015, 05:22:52 PM
The Telegraph
By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter
26 Jan 2015

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html


Madeleine McCann: are we any closer to knowing the truth?

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After a new detective takes over the helm of the investigation, Gordon Rayner looks at the latest news on the truth about what happened to Madeleine McCann

 In the eight years since Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment in Portugal, myriad theories about what happened to her have taken root, but only one fact remains uncontested: that she was reported missing at 10.14pm on the evening of Thursday, May 3, 2007.

It was at that point, when police were called, that the clock started ticking on the biggest missing persons investigation for decades, a search which remains very much active to this day.

Facts, the hard currency of any police investigation, have proved almost uniquely elusive; every sighting, every timing and every witness statement has been disputed in the years that have elapsed since.

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry McCann quickly came under suspicion by Portuguese police, a development that the couple are certain meant vital clues were missed in the first hours and days after Madeleine’s disappearance.

Every possible theory has been explored since then: that Madeleine was abducted by a paedophile; that she was killed during a bungled burglary and her body dumped; that she was abducted by traffickers and sold to a childless couple; that she wandered out of the apartment and died in a tragic accident, and many more besides.

To date, however, not one shred of proof of what happened to Madeleine has been unearthed. The question of what happened to Madeleine would become not only a personal tragedy for the McCann family, but a national obsession in the UK and in Portugal.

Madeleine, of Rothley, Leicestershire, was on the penultimate day of her family holiday on the day she vanished. She had spent part of the day playing by the swimming pool in the Ocean Club resort, where the last known picture of her was taken at 2.29pm.

Reports of when she was last seen alive by independent witnesses vary, but she was still alive at around 6pm, when she and her parents went into their apartment at 5A Rua Dr Agostinho da Silva, where Madeleine and her two-year-old twin brother and sister were readied for bed.

The McCanns told police they put the children to bed at around 7pm, and that all three were asleep by 8.30pm, when they went for dinner at a tapas bar 50 yards across the pool from their apartment. There they met seven friends with whom they were on holiday.

 The McCanns say checks were made on their children every half-hour, sometimes by other members of the party, comprising Dr Russell O'Brien and Jane Tanner, from Exeter, Dr Matthew and Rachael Oldfield, from London, and David and Fiona Payne, from Leicester, together with Mrs Payne's mother Dianne Webster. Mrs Webster, however, reportedly told police that each couple was responsible for checking their own children.

Gerry McCann went to the apartment at 9.05pm, when all the children were sleeping soundly and Madeleine was still in her bed, he says.

The police in Portugal, however, have never accepted the McCanns’ evidence as undisputed. They initially regarded the McCanns as suspects, and believed the McCanns could have killed Madeleine any time after the last independent sighting of her at 6pm.

Dr Matthew Oldfield went into apartment 5A at 9.30pm, and noticed that Madeleine’s room seemed lighter than the others, as if the shutters had been partially opened. He could not be certain whether Madeleine was there.

Kate McCann was next to check on the children, at 10pm. She ran back to the restaurant moments later, saying Madeleine was missing. The McCanns and their friends made a quick search of the resort, but after finding no sign of Madeleine the police were called at 10.14pm.

The McCanns told police they had put Madeleine to bed with her pink comfort blanket and favourite soft toy, Cuddle Cat, and was wearing short-sleeved Marks & Spencer Eeyore pyjamas.

 Crucially, however, the apartment was not initially treated as a crime scene, meaning around 20 people went in and out before it was sealed off, contaminating potential evidence. Roadblocks were not put in place until 10am the next day, border guards were not informed for hours and Interpol did not put out a global missing persons alert for five days.

It meant that the most crucial time of any missing persons investigation – the first 24 hours – were largely squandered, and police have been trying to catch up ever since. Yet potentially key sightings and artists’ impressions of suspects were kept from the public for years.

Mary and Martin Smith, from Ireland, told police they saw a man carrying a child matching Madeleine’s description at around 10pm on Rua da Escola Primaria, 500 yards from the McCanns’ apartment. He was heading towards the beach, did not look like a tourist and did not seem comfortable carrying the child, they said.

Their evidence was compelling, but it was only in October 2013 that two e-fit images of the man, compiled by police from descriptions given by Mr and Mrs Smith, were released by Scotland Yard to coincide with a BBC Crimewatch reconstruction of Madeleine’s disappearance. He remains a suspect.

 There were also blind alleys. Jane Tanner, one of the tapas diners, told police that when she left the restaurant at 9.15pm to check on her own daughter, she saw a man carrying a small child, wearing pink pyjamas, in his arms.

For years afterwards, the mystery man would be a key suspect, if not the prime suspect, but in October 2013 the Metropolitan Police announced that a British holidaymaker who had been taking his daughter back to his apartment after picking her up from an evening crèche, had been identified as the man Miss Tanner had seen and ruled out of the inquiry.

 The first person to become an “arguido”, or official suspect, was Robert Murat, a local property consultant, whose home was searched 12 days after the disappearance. He was formally cleared of suspicion in 2008 and won £600,000 in libel damages from 11 British newspapers.

The Portuguese Police, however, were suspicious of the McCanns from the beginning, partly due to a clash of cultures. They could not believe that parents would leave their children unattended, and did not approve of the McCanns’ use of the media to raise the profile of the case, in a country where secrecy is the hallmark of all police investigations.

The arrival of two British sniffer dogs in Portugal in July 2007 only hardened that belief. One dog was trained to sniff out traces of human blood, the other was trained to sniff out the scent of dead bodies. Both dogs were taken to several locations connected to the investigation, and gave alerts only in apartment 5A. Later, the cadaver dog gave an alert inside a Renault car, hired by the McCanns 24 days after Madeleine went missing.

DNA tests on samples taken from the car proved inconclusive, but the Portuguese police wrongly told journalists they were a “100 per cent match” for Madeleine.

The Portuguese police came up with the theory that Madeleine had been killed by her parents by accident, possibly by being given an overdose of a sedative to make her sleep, that they had hidden the body, faked her abduction and then used the hire car weeks later to move her body to a burial location.

In early September 2007, according to Kate McCann, she was told by the Portuguese police that if she admitted that Madeleine had died in the apartment and she had hidden her body she might only serve a two-year sentence and Gerry McCann would not be charged at all. On September 7 the couple were both made arguidos.

Goncalo Amaral, the chief inspector who had been in charge of the case, resigned in 2008 to write a book alleging that Madeleine had died in an accident in the apartment and the McCanns had faked the abduction. The McCanns sued him for libel, with the court expected to make its decision late in 2014.

In July 2008 the Portuguese attorney general announced that the McCanns were no longer suspects and the investigation was closed. The McCanns hired private investigators to carry on the search, but it was not until May 2011 that Theresa May, the Home Secretary, announced that Scotland Yard would review the evidence in the case, which had until then been the responsibility of Leicestershire Police, working with the Portuguese authorities.

In July 2013 Operation Grange, the review of the available evidence, became a full-blown criminal inquiry, and Scotland Yard said it was concentrating on a “criminal act by a stranger”.

The Yard announced it was looking into possible links between Madeleine’s disappearance and bogus charity collectors who were knocking on doors in Praia da Luz at the time. Between 3.30pm and 5.30pm on the day in question there were four separate sightings of men who said they were collecting money for an orphanage. British detectives believe men whose photofits they released in 2013 may have been engaged in reconnaissance for a pre-planned abduction or for burglaries, in keeping with the theory that Madeleine may have been killed by a burglar she disturbed.

 Scotland Yard also said in 2013 it was eager to trace a blond-haired man who had been seen loitering in the area on April 30 and May 2, looking at apartment 1A. He was described as “ugly” with a spotty complexion and a large nose. Two blond-haired men were seen on the balcony of the empty apartment 5C, two doors from 5A, at 2.30pm on the day of the disappearance. Blond men were seen again near 5A at 4pm and 6pm that day, and at 11pm that night. Following the appeal on Crimewatch, the Portuguese police re-opened their own investigation.

Scotland Yard officers travelled to Portugal in 2014 to interview four suspects and carried out searches of the area around the apartment using ground-penetrating radar. One of the men who was interview has since been eliminated from the inquiry, but the other three men remain arguidos.

The British officers questioned them on suspicion of being part of a burglary gang that panicked after killing Madeleine during a bungled break-in. They all protested their innocence and were released without charge.

Another suspect was Euclides Monteiro, a convicted burglar with a drug habit, who had been sacked from the Ocean Club in 2006. Mobile phone tracking showed he had been in the area on the night of the disappearance, and police believe he may have been burgling apartments there to fund his drug addiction. He died in a tractor accident in 2009.

In March 2014 Scotland Yard announced that a lone intruder sexually assaulted five girls aged between seven and 10 in the Algarve between 2004 and 2006. The man, who has never been caught, was said to have a “very, very unhealthy interest” in young white girls.

The four incidents, one of which involved two girls, were among 12 in which men had entered holiday accommodation in the area, including two incidents in Praia da Luz. The force also said it was looking at 38 “people of interest” and were researching the backgrounds of 530 known sex offenders, including 59 regarded as high interest.

In December 2014 Det Chief Insp Andy Redwood, the man who had led Operation Grange, retired and was replaced on Dec 22 by DCI Nicola Wall, who travelled to Portugal the same month to conduct further inquiries.

DCI Wall and her team interviewed seven suspects and four witnesses, but have not released any information about what they discovered, insisting they will not provide a "running commentary" on the case.

Kate and Gerry McCann remain convinced their daughter is alive and that they will one day be reunited. The hunt to find her continues.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on February 05, 2015, 08:22:54 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQcjm4un9gs
Digging for Madeleine McCann

4 hrs ·
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FINALLY - UK presenter Kev Baker from Truth Frequency Radio interviews Stephen D Birch who makes a direct plea to Robert Murat to exhume Madeleine McCanns remains.

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Well worth a listen as there is potentially a very important piece of previously unknown information disclosed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on February 06, 2015, 05:32:10 PM
Do we know for a fact she is? Or does SB say she is?

He is seemingly an arguido.
https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann/posts/290130157816685

And John seems to have found the original in Portuguese:

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4023.msg149576#msg149576


It's clearer to read the thread here:
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=4023.msg149576#msg149576
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on February 09, 2015, 12:41:04 PM
I notice the Telegraph is so desperate for a story they are continually rehashing old comments and reposting them as new. The poor souls, there only is so much stuff they can invent! 

Must be lean pickings on the Algarve these days for hacks.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2015, 01:09:12 PM
I notice the Telegraph is so desperate for a story they are continually rehashing old comments and reposting them as new. The poor souls, there only is so much stuff they can invent! 

Must be lean pickings on the Algarve these days for hacks.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html

It appears the article is being edited/updated, hence it keeps appearing with a new date.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on February 09, 2015, 01:15:35 PM
It appears the article is being edited/updated, hence it keeps appearing with a new date.

It's got some links to old articles added.


Paedophile abducted Madeleine, police say

Fiona Govan in Praia da Luz and Andrew Alderson 12:01AM BST 06 May 2007

Trish Cameron, Mr McCann's sister, said on Friday that she received a telephone call from her brother, who was "hysterical and crying his eyes out".

She said: "They had put the kids to bed at 7pm and checked on them every half-hour as they had dinner nearby with the rest of the party. Gerry said the window was open, the shutters broken and the door, which had been locked, was hanging open."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1550732/Paedophile-abducted-Madeleine-police-say.html

LOL
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on February 11, 2015, 07:12:19 PM
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2949479/British-police-67-return-flights-Portugal-cost-Madeleine-McCann-search-nears-9million.html?ITO=1490&ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490

British police take 67 return flights to Portugal as cost of Madeleine McCann search nears £9million


British police searching for missing Madeleine McCann spent £16,000 on 67 return flights to Portugal last year, helping the cost of the investigation to soar to nearly £9million.

The trips, which cost more than £1,300 per month, came as the Met Police carried out the biggest ever search undertaken by a team of British police overseas, in a bid to find clues about the young girl's disappearance.

In June, police flew to the Algarve to carry out forensic searches around Praia da Luz, focusing on scrubland a few hundred metres from the apartment block where Madeleine was last seen alive.

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The search for Madeleine McCann (pictured) has is nearing £9million with £16,000 spent on flights in the past year, new figures show.


But, despite an intensive eight-day search operation involving scores of officers carrying out ground excavations, police failed to find any clues.

According to figures released under a Freedom of Information act request, officers and staff made 48 return flights in the nine months between January and October. A further 19 were made to the end of December.

The cost for the flights was £15,945, an average of £238 per return flight.

As well as flights for the search, the trips involved several journeys made by officers to liaise with the Portuguese authorities prior to the excavations.

And in December, detectives DCI Nicola Wall and DCI Andy Redwood also travelled to Faro Police Station to question 'key witnesses' in the case. The three days involved overseeing the questioning of four British people and seven Portuguese citizens.

During the search, which was said to have been carried out to the ‘highest possible standards’, police combed an area of scrubland equal in size to around nine football pitches.

This included checking water pipes, drainage channels and derelict buildings around the Ocean Club resort in Praia da Luz on the Algarve.

Police also searched a horseshoe-shaped piece of waste ground that was specifically identified as an area of interest by the latest inquiry

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The Home Office said it expected the spend on the investigation between 2014 and 2015, which is currently at £1.2m, to be 'broadly in line with previous years'.


In total, a Met spokesman said 41 ‘ground anomalies’ – areas where the earth had been disturbed – were discovered by aerial surveys and ground-penetrating radar equipment.

These sites, which included three outside the original area, were then painstakingly checked by search teams. But they said no evidence relating to Madeleine McCann had been identified. 

Scotland Yard abandoned their search of land close to where Madeleine vanished in 2007, but said the multi-million-pound inquiry would continue. 

The Home Office, which has spent around £2m per year on the investigation since 2011, said this year's spend was likely to be 'broadly in line' with previous years. It means the bill is likely to top £9m.

But despite the increased police activity in Portugal, other figures show the number of detectives on the investigation has reduced.

At one point there were 29 detectives among 37 staff trying to solve Madeleine's disappearance in Praia da Luz in Portugal.

Now, according to the figures, the number of detectives stands at 21, including 15 constables, three sergeants and two inspectors.

There are also nine police support staff and four agency staff - all ex police officers - on the 34-strong team, which is led by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall.   

Madeleine was just three when she went missing from her family's rented holiday apartment in the resort in May 2007, while her parents ate dinner nearby. There have been no positive sightings. 

Operation Grange, the special investigation unit into the young girl's disappearance, was set up in 2011 by David Cameron. He set a provisional budget for £5million for the investigation 

In its first year, the unit cost close to £2million, with the vast majority of expenses attributed to police officer and staff pay.

Between 2012 and 2013, the most expensive leg of the investigation to date, £2.8million was spent on transport, salaries, overtime and premises cost. The following year, through to 2014, the Home Office spent £2.6m.

Kate and Gerry McCann, both 46, from Rothley, Leicester, have fought a tireless campaign to find their missing daughter since, regularly appealing to police to keep the investigation into her disappearance active. 

Portuguese police closed their investigation into her disappearance in 2008 and it took a further three years of campaigning by the McCanns to force the Scotland Yard investigation.

Months after the three-year-old vanished, Leicestershire Constabulary was awarded two grants by the Home Office to help fund their efforts.

In 2008 they received £525,000 and were awarded a further £221,000 the following year before the case was handed over to Metropolitan Police.

In a statement, the Met said any reduction in overall numbers of staff - from 37 to 34 according to the figures - on the investigation was temporary.

It said: 'There has been no change to the level of resources allocated to the investigation and any reduction will be the result of natural wastage. Those individuals will be replaced in the near future.

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on March 03, 2015, 07:33:55 PM


http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/mar/19/madeleine-mccann-police-intruder-girls-algarve

• This article was amended on 21 March 2014. The earlier version stated that Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case. To clarify: those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on March 15, 2015, 05:26:57 PM
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/564100/Madeleine-McCann-latest-Police-progress-cr
Madeleine McCann inquiry: Police make progress at crucial summit meeting with Portuguese
BRITISH police have met with Portuguese prosecutors for a crucial summit meeting over the Madeleine McCann inquiry.
Published: 12:33, Sun, March 15, 2015
By John Twomey
      
Scotland Yard detectives had detailed discussions with the Portuguese over the vital next steps in the multi-million pound probe.

It is understood to be the first time officers from Operation Grange have met officials in Lisbon since 11 key witnesses were re-interviewed in December.

Similar meetings are planned for the near future as the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance approaches.

The Metropolitan Police declined to comment on the latest summit. A spokesman said: “We are not providing a running commentary.”

Madeleine’s parents Kate and Gerry are given regular updates on progress of the investigation.

In their last public message, the couple, from Rothley, Leicestershire, said: “It’s very apparent that the determination of the Metropolitan Police remains steadfast.”

Operation Grange was set up in 2011 after the McCanns appealed directly to Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Theresa May.

So far, it was cost around £10 million.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from the family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve in May 2007.

Former GP Mrs McCann and her heart doctor husband, both 46, have never given up hope that their daughter is still aliveucial-summit-meeting-Portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Matt Erixon on March 15, 2015, 09:45:39 PM
A working meeting with the Portuguese authorities to strengthen cooperation in searches.

"Hour and a half meeting. The stage was the Attorney General's Office; the protagonists, British and Portuguese authorities. The goal was the same as has already caused other such meetings.
Strengthen the link between the authorities of both countries, cementing bonds that allow a joint investigation to clarify the Maddie case. The leader of the British police team, Nicola Wall, was one of attending the meeting. The side of the Judicial Police, the representation was taken by Pedro do Carmo magistrate, assistant national director. Also the attorney general district and the investigation of the holder which remains open in Faro County were present.
It was also asked to participate a representative of the Attorney General of the English Republic and the British ambassador. This was the second meeting of Nicola Wall with the highest representatives of the process.
The English provincial happened late last year to Andy Redwood, who retired from the Metropolitan Police Service. Nicola Wall transferred from the Homicide and Serious Crimes division to Grange operation, investigating the disappearance of British child, the May 3, 2007, the room where she slept with her two twin brothers, younger, in an apartment of a tourist village, in Praia da Luz in the Algarve.
The case was closed and then reopened, but nothing new was found, all scenarios remain open".


Translated with google.
http://www.cmjornal.xl.pt/nacional/portugal/detalhe/pgr_recebe_ingleses.html
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Meeting venue was at Attorney General's office

In attendance :
Portuguese side -
Pedro do Carmo, Magistrate
Assistant National Director
District Attorney General
Chief Investigator - Faro County

UK side
DCI Nicola Wall
Attorney General
British Ambassador
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on March 18, 2015, 12:16:24 AM
Madeleine McCann latest: are police any closer to knowing the truth?

After a new detective takes over the helm of the investigation, Gordon Rayner looks at the latest news on the truth about what happened to Madeleine McCann

By Gordon Rayner, Chief Reporter11:24AM GMT 17 Mar 2015

In the eight years since Madeleine McCann went missing from a holiday apartment in Portugal, myriad theories about what happened to her have taken root, but only one fact remains uncontested: that she was reported missing at 10.14pm on the evening of Thursday, May 3, 2007.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/11078595/Madeleine-McCann-are-we-any-closer-to-knowing-the-truth.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 22, 2015, 12:42:38 AM
Madeleine police face April deadline over questioning Portuguese suspects

TIME is running out for ­Scotland Yard to question three Portuguese suspects in connection with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

By JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Mar 22, 2015
The trio were given “arguido” or suspect status in July last year which allowed Portuguese detectives to question them intensively about their movements around the time that Madeleine vanished in May 2007.

Details of those interviews have now been analysed by Scotland Yard officers.

Under Portuguese law the arguido status lasts for only eight months but can be extended, although that is not common.

If no formal accusations can be made, investigations are shelved, which automatically removes the arguido status.

With an April deadline approaching, the Yard is carefully considering its next move. Senior Portuguese police officers recently met British officials in Portugal for an update on what the Yard team seeks to do and how long it will take.
Although there are no plans to drop the four-year £10million Operation Grange investigation, led by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall, the meeting focused on what new information has come to light and what more needs to be done.

It is understood that part of the discussion was about DNA samples taken from the Ocean Club holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on the Algarve where Madeleine was staying with her family.

The trio waiting to have their arguido status lifted are former Ocean Club driver Jose Carlos da Silva, jobless schizophrenic Paulo Jorge Ribeiro and Ricardo Jorge, who was just 16 at the time Madeleine vanished.

They have all strenuously denied knowing anything about her disappearance.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/565536/Madeleine-police-face-deadline-questioning-Portuguese-suspects
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Benice on March 28, 2015, 02:23:36 AM
Official Find Madeleine Campaign

Thank you to all whom have shared our post about Anna Pukas' article in the Daily Express. We are extremely grateful for the support. As of today, it has reached 1,126,912. That's just amazing! We need to keep it going, so as many people as possible are looking for Madeleine. From the bottom of my heart, thank YOU!
~FM Webmaster
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on March 28, 2015, 09:46:31 AM

Not sure where the figure quoted comes from. The article to date has just over 3100 'likes' and no detail on shares. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable with regard to Facebook can explain.

Official Find Madeleine Campaign

Thank you to all whom have shared our post about Anna Pukas' article in the Daily Express. We are extremely grateful for the support. As of today, it has reached 1,126,912. That's just amazing! We need to keep it going, so as many people as possible are looking for Madeleine. From the bottom of my heart, thank YOU!
~FM Webmaster

And in the Express today another opinion piece this time by Ann Widdecombe

'Sadly it's time to end and eight-year search for Maddie and free police resourses

I know the other side is argued elsewhere in this newspaper but, although it is terribly sad, in my opinion the suggestion that the police should wind up the inquiry into Madeleine McCann’s disappearance eight years after it took place is not only right but probably overdue. The investigation has cost £10million since 2011 and is tying up 31 detectives yet has made no arrests.

Of course the McCanns themselves will understandably not see it that way but they have had more time and money poured into the search than any other parent of a missing child I can think of.

They have had access to some of the most senior people in the land while other parents fret helplessly at home.

Anybody in their position would want to leave no stone unturned and they have had the articulacy, resources and standing to ensure that almost every last pebble has been turned several times over.

Yet there has been no result and other poor souls do urgently need the police time involved. The file will be kept open and if Maddie still lives then she will have some faint memories of her infancy.

There is yet time for a miracle but it is looking less and less likely that anything short of that will work.

The McCanns, rightly, will never give up but the police must now turn their attention elsewhere.'

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 11, 2015, 02:00:22 AM
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EXPRESS COMMENT: We must never give up on Maddie McCann

Eight years on, police may be close to solving the riddle of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance. JAMES MURRAY, who has covered the case from the start, says the probe must continue.
 
By James Murray
PUBLISHED: Sun, 10 May 2015

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Prayers to mark the 8th anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance
ON TUESDAY a family will gather for a small birthday party. Carefully chosen gifts will be offered, birthday cake eaten and cherished memories re lived.

Although the house will be filled with love and hope there will also be a feeling of emptiness as Kate and Gerry McCann and their 10-year-old twins Sean and Amelie remember much missed Madeleine, who should be celebrating her 12th birthday in the bosom of her family.

Instead, her whereabouts are unknown and nobody knows whether she is even alive. As the election dust settles in the weeks ahead, questions will undoubtedly be asked about how much more should be spent trying to crack the mystery.

They will call for the squad to be broken up, so the elite detectives can return to their jobs with homicide command.

They will also argue that further probes should be paid for by the McCanns, with the money in their Madeleine Fund. It is my firm belief that Home Secretary Theresa May should resist those demands because it seems the truth is finally beginning to emerge.

Grange officers have at last established a proper, professional working relationship with their Portuguese counterparts which is producing results. Certain people have been identified and interviewed.

Their alibis and their reactions are being scrutinised as never before. Some have been cleared of any involvement but probes into others continue. One of the greatest achievements of the Grange team has been detailed analysis of phone records, showing roughly who was active on networks at key times on the evening of May 3, 2007, in the Algarve resort.

Portuguese officers, guided by Grange detectives, are now in a position to ask people what they were doing in Praia da Luz during that evening and why did they call or text so and so?

Layers and layers of wrong leads and useless information have now been peeled away, allowing officers to concentrate on the core facts.

Their dedication and graft has been appreciated by the McCanns and the friends who joined them on that fateful holiday, the so-called Tapas Seven: David and Fiona Payne, Russell O’Brien and Jane Tanner, Matthew Oldfield, his wife Rachael and her mother Dianne Webster.

Now we know, thanks to Grange, that the man Jane saw carrying a child near Apartment 5a of the Ocean Club was, in fact, an innocent holidaymaker. That in itself was a huge breakthrough.

Thanks to Grange we know that Maddy was almost certainly in the arms of a man seen heading down towards the sea by the Smith family from Ireland.

Photofits of the potential suspect have been released. Officers have also established a pattern of attacks on children in the Algarve, something Portuguese police did not manage, which could yet lead to a host of other sordid crimes being solved.

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Maddie's whereabouts are unknown and nobody knows whether she is even alive

Hopefully, the skills used by the Yard experts will be taken on board by the Portuguese, leading to better crime detection in the future.

A week ago friends of the McCanns joined villagers in Rothley, Leicstershire, to mark the eighth anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance. Kate and Gerry could not be there as they were visiting her seriously ill father Brian in Liverpool. In her place, Fiona Payne read out a poem, The Tree Of Hope.

On a tree children attached touching messages. One wrote: “Dear God, please help all the missing children in the world and bring them back to their families.

"Make sure they are in safe hands and are going to be reunited with their families. Please bring Madeleine back to us. Amen.”

I would challenge any cold-hearted cynic to look that child in the eye and explain why the Grange operation should be shelved.

www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/576139/EXPRESS-COMMENT-We-must-never-give-up-on-Maddy
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on May 11, 2015, 02:30:02 AM

I don't know.  What is going to happen now?

I think that there is a vague possibility that  Scotland Yard might find out  who stole that child.  But I very much doubt that they will find out where she is now, when probably even the abductors don't know.

But then  you see, I am of The Hope Kind.  All of my life has been about Hope.  And I wasn't too wrong about that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 14, 2015, 09:57:16 PM
Madeleine McCann: Top officer pledges that hunt for missing girl will continue apace

20:43, 14 May 2015 By Tom Pettifor

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, Met Police Commissioner, reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions devoted to the case

The search for Madeleine McCann is “moving on a pace” and will not end until all avenues are exhausted, Britain’s top police officer said today.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions of pounds of public money devoted to the case.

He said: “It’s not for them to decide which investigation we carry out, it’s my decision. This investigation is funded by the government and the only thing that will decide whether or not it continues are the chances of success in finding that girl.

"It’s really for me and not a [Police] Federation issue.”

Portuguese prosecutor Ines Sequeira said she was determined to crack the case when she took it over last October, bringing fresh hope to Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry.

Sir Bernard said of the investigation: “It’s moving on apace at the moment in terms of the relationship with the Portuguese and that is to be welcomed. As long as there’s a basis for doing the investigation we will continue.”

He said the Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Teresa May support the investigation.

Madeleine was just three when she went missing from her family’s Algarve holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007 as Kate and Gerry, sat at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

Portuguese police closed their investigation in 2008 but the Metropolitan Police launched their own inquiry, codenamed Operation Grange, three years later.

Sir Bernard was responding to concerns raised by John Tully, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, who said in March: “It’s time to re-focus on what we need to do to keep London safe.

"We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world which have nothing to do with London.

“The Met has long been seen as the last resort for investigations others have struggled with elsewhere. It is surprising to see an inquiry like the McCann investigation ring-fenced. I’ve heard a few rumblings of discontent about it from lots of sources."

He added: “When the force is facing a spike in murder investigations, it’s not surprising there is resentment of significant resources diverted to a case that has no apparent connection to London.”

Operation Grange has cost almost £8million. More than £100,000 has been spent on the transport of British authorities to and from Portugal. The money comes from a special Home Office fund.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;topic=2784.4170;last_msg=239626


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Matthew Wyse on May 15, 2015, 11:44:36 AM
Madeleine McCann: Top officer pledges that hunt for missing girl will continue apace

20:43, 14 May 2015 By Tom Pettifor

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, Met Police Commissioner, reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions devoted to the case

The search for Madeleine McCann is “moving on a pace” and will not end until all avenues are exhausted, Britain’s top police officer said today.

Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, the Metropolitan Police Commissioner, reacted angrily to concerns raised by the Police Federation about the millions of pounds of public money devoted to the case.

He said: “It’s not for them to decide which investigation we carry out, it’s my decision. This investigation is funded by the government and the only thing that will decide whether or not it continues are the chances of success in finding that girl.

"It’s really for me and not a [Police] Federation issue.”

Portuguese prosecutor Ines Sequeira said she was determined to crack the case when she took it over last October, bringing fresh hope to Madeleine’s parents, Kate and Gerry.

Sir Bernard said of the investigation: “It’s moving on apace at the moment in terms of the relationship with the Portuguese and that is to be welcomed. As long as there’s a basis for doing the investigation we will continue.”

He said the Prime Minister David Cameron and Home Secretary Teresa May support the investigation.

Madeleine was just three when she went missing from her family’s Algarve holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3 2007 as Kate and Gerry, sat at a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

Portuguese police closed their investigation in 2008 but the Metropolitan Police launched their own inquiry, codenamed Operation Grange, three years later.

Sir Bernard was responding to concerns raised by John Tully, chairman of the Metropolitan Police Federation, who said in March: “It’s time to re-focus on what we need to do to keep London safe.

"We no longer have the resources to conduct specialist inquiries all over the world which have nothing to do with London.

“The Met has long been seen as the last resort for investigations others have struggled with elsewhere. It is surprising to see an inquiry like the McCann investigation ring-fenced. I’ve heard a few rumblings of discontent about it from lots of sources."

He added: “When the force is facing a spike in murder investigations, it’s not surprising there is resentment of significant resources diverted to a case that has no apparent connection to London.”

Operation Grange has cost almost £8million. More than £100,000 has been spent on the transport of British authorities to and from Portugal. The money comes from a special Home Office fund.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?action=post;topic=2784.4170;last_msg=239626

Can the same be said about the search for Ben Needham and the other missing British children?

Tying up 30 English police officers in an enquiry which ultimately is the responsibility of another country is unprecedented. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 16, 2015, 11:37:17 AM
I have been told that tonight they are running an equivalent of Crimewatch within Greece, the focus of which is the Ben Needham investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 15, 2015, 11:21:20 AM

Madeleine McCann:
Mum Kate 'really encouraged' by police progress in continuing search for missing daughter

10:53, 15 JUNE 2015
BY ANNA DUBUIS
Kate said she couldn't reveal details of the investigation but said there had been 'a lot' of progress in the last six months


Kate McCann has said she is "really encouraged" by the progress being made in the case of her missing daughter Madeleine.

Kate said she couldn't reveal details of the investigation but said there had been "a lot" of progress in the last six months.

Madeleine McCann was three when she went missing eight years ago from her family's holiday apartment in Portugal's Algarve.

Portuguese police closed their investigation in 2008 but the Metropolitan police launched their own inquiry three years later.

Kate said told Good Morning Britain: "Well obviously I can’t give any investigation details out but let’s just say we’re really encouraged.

"There has been a lot of progress in the last six months plus, last year.

"The co-operation between the UK and the Portuguese seems to be really good which is really positive for us and I can say there is progress being made.”

She was speaking from York where she is currently leading a 500-mile bike ride to raise £10,000 for a missing persons charity.

Speaking about the bike ride, Kate said: “I think it’s hard to resist a challenge when the cause is something that’s just so close to your heart.

"It’s inevitable I will be thinking of Madeleine and I think particularly when it gets tough, there will be the times when I’ll be saying ‘I’m doing this for Madeleine, I’m doing this for all missing children.”

Kate is leading 20 cyclists on the bike ride which started at Arthur's Seat, Edinburgh's landmark hill, on Saturday.

They are travelling through Newcastle, York, Nottingham and Northampton before finishing at the Tower of London on June 17.

To donate to Kate McCann's Cycle Challenge visit www.justgiving.com/KateMcCann/
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/madeleine-mccann-mum-kate-really-5884879?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on June 16, 2015, 07:59:16 AM
The standard of reporting in this case never gets any better.  Nobody is falling for it, there is no progress as far as the Portuguese are concerned and it is they who count.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on June 16, 2015, 11:57:45 AM
The standard of reporting in this case never gets any better.  Nobody is falling for it, there is no progress as far as the Portuguese are concerned and it is they who count.

Which source close to the Portuguese investigation said that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on July 04, 2015, 12:14:05 PM
Which source close to the Portuguese investigation said that?

Its obvious that nothing is happening otherwise stories would be being leaked by the Portuguese police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on July 05, 2015, 01:02:54 AM
Its obvious that nothing is happening otherwise stories would be being leaked by the Portuguese police.
I would be I ntersted to hear any words frim Ms Hall...so far nothng, she ain't stupid
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on July 05, 2015, 01:08:27 AM
Its obvious that nothing is happening otherwise stories would be being leaked by the Portuguese police.

The sources are too busy atm being tried for various crimes they didn't commit.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on July 15, 2015, 12:02:27 AM
The sources are too busy atm being tried for various crimes they didn't commit.

 @)(++(* 8((()*/    poor sods
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 28, 2015, 12:10:02 AM
Its obvious that nothing is happening otherwise stories would be being leaked by the Portuguese police.
Ah, But it is a team run by a woman, now  8**8:/:
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 04, 2015, 06:27:21 PM
Portuguese police reveal British investigation into disappearance of Madeleine McCann is still live after Scotland Yard makes fresh request for information
By TOM WORDEN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 17:05, 4 September 2015 | UPDATED: 17:22, 4 September 2015


Portuguese police have revealed the British investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is still 'very much alive' after Scotland Yard made a fresh request for information.

Prosecutors said they received the written appeal over the summer holidays and it would now be passed on to the detectives leading the investigation in Portugal.

The revelation comes days after it was reported the Met had spent £11million pursuing the case, called Operation Grange, but haven't made a single arrest - sparking criticism from the former head of the Flying Squad.
John O'Connor said earlier this week: 'You can't keep chasing shadows.
'If there are no firm leads, and by that I mean no substantial operational things like active surveillance on suspects, then I'd have thought they should be considering winding it down now.'

However, there is no indication Operation Grange will 'wind down' any time soon.

A spokeswoman for the Attorney General's office in Lisbon said the letter was received in July and will be acted on by the Policia Judiciaria, which is running the Portuguese investigation into Madeleine's disappearance in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve, on May 3, 2007.

A source on the Portuguese investigation said: 'This letter shows the investigation is still very much alive and that both British and Portuguese police are still working together to try to find out what happened to Madeleine.
'The case is not about to be shelved.'

The statement from the Attorney General's office said confirmed they had received the letter in July, and said the request will be sent to the Criminal Investigation Police (PJ) for them to look in to.

The spokeswoman would not comment on the nature of the request.

The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.

Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over.

The British authorities have now made six official requests for international co-operation to the Portuguese over the Madeleine investigation. The previous one was in January this year.
 
According to the Sun, officers have stayed at the £180-a-night Ria Park resort, while quizzing suspects at Faro Police Station, which is a 20 minute drive away.
They are also said to have used the £200-a-night Hotel Dona Filipa, which is close to some of Portugal's best golf courses.

The Scotland Yard inquiry is running separately to a Portuguese probe into Madeleine's disappearance, which was reopened in May 2014 at the request of the Policia Judiciaria - more than five years after their original probe had been shelved.

The investigation was reopened after a former employee at the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine disappeared was identified as a suspect.
Recovering heroin addict Euclides Monteiro, a convicted burglar, died in a tractor accident in 2009.
His widow Luisa Rodrigues was interviewed by Portuguese detectives but insisted he was an innocent man and has been fighting to get authorities to confirm they have now ruled him out as a suspect.

Scotland Yard launched their investigation in 2011 after Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leics, made a personal plea to prime minister David Cameron.

A source close to the McCanns was quoted as saying: 'Kate and Gerry are eternally grateful to the Metropolitan Police for making Operation Grange possible.
'They are pleased so many officers are still looking for Madeleine.'
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222629/Portuguese-police-reveal-British-investigation-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-live-Scotland-Yard-makes-fresh-request-information.html#ixzz3kn8FEwPE
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on September 04, 2015, 06:59:56 PM
Portuguese police reveal British investigation into disappearance of Madeleine McCann is still live after Scotland Yard makes fresh request for information
  • British officers wrote to Portuguese in July making an unknown request
  • Comes after it was revealed probe has cost Scotland Yard £11million   
  • Former head of Flying Squad said they 'can't keep chasing shadows'
  • Portuguese source says it proves investigation is 'very much alive'
By TOM WORDEN FOR MAILONLINE
PUBLISHED: 17:05, 4 September 2015 | UPDATED: 17:22, 4 September 2015


Portuguese police have revealed the British investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is still 'very much alive' after Scotland Yard made a fresh request for information.

Prosecutors said they received the written appeal over the summer holidays and it would now be passed on to the detectives leading the investigation in Portugal.

The revelation comes days after it was reported the Met had spent £11million pursuing the case, called Operation Grange, but haven't made a single arrest - sparking criticism from the former head of the Flying Squad.
John O'Connor said earlier this week: 'You can't keep chasing shadows.
'If there are no firm leads, and by that I mean no substantial operational things like active surveillance on suspects, then I'd have thought they should be considering winding it down now.'

However, there is no indication Operation Grange will 'wind down' any time soon.

A spokeswoman for the Attorney General's office in Lisbon said the letter was received in July and will be acted on by the Policia Judiciaria, which is running the Portuguese investigation into Madeleine's disappearance in Praia da Luz, on the Algarve, on May 3, 2007.

A source on the Portuguese investigation said: 'This letter shows the investigation is still very much alive and that both British and Portuguese police are still working together to try to find out what happened to Madeleine.
'The case is not about to be shelved.'

The statement from the Attorney General's office said confirmed they had received the letter in July, and said the request will be sent to the Criminal Investigation Police (PJ) for them to look in to.

The spokeswoman would not comment on the nature of the request.

The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.

Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over.

The British authorities have now made six official requests for international co-operation to the Portuguese over the Madeleine investigation. The previous one was in January this year.
 
According to the Sun, officers have stayed at the £180-a-night Ria Park resort, while quizzing suspects at Faro Police Station, which is a 20 minute drive away.
They are also said to have used the £200-a-night Hotel Dona Filipa, which is close to some of Portugal's best golf courses.

The Scotland Yard inquiry is running separately to a Portuguese probe into Madeleine's disappearance, which was reopened in May 2014 at the request of the Policia Judiciaria - more than five years after their original probe had been shelved.

The investigation was reopened after a former employee at the Ocean Club holiday resort where Madeleine disappeared was identified as a suspect.
Recovering heroin addict Euclides Monteiro, a convicted burglar, died in a tractor accident in 2009.
His widow Luisa Rodrigues was interviewed by Portuguese detectives but insisted he was an innocent man and has been fighting to get authorities to confirm they have now ruled him out as a suspect.

Scotland Yard launched their investigation in 2011 after Madeleine's parents Gerry and Kate McCann, both doctors from Rothley, Leics, made a personal plea to prime minister David Cameron.

A source close to the McCanns was quoted as saying: 'Kate and Gerry are eternally grateful to the Metropolitan Police for making Operation Grange possible.
'They are pleased so many officers are still looking for Madeleine.'
 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222629/Portuguese-police-reveal-British-investigation-disappearance-Madeleine-McCann-live-Scotland-Yard-makes-fresh-request-information.html#ixzz3kn8FEwPE

and yet more sources.

Yet nothing has been found.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on September 04, 2015, 07:16:24 PM
and yet more sources.

Yet nothing has been found.

it must be devastating for you that after posting away for 8 years the parents are not being investigated by either police force
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on September 04, 2015, 07:24:01 PM
it must be devastating for you that after posting away for 8 years the parents are not being investigated by either police force

I am not expecting them to.

Too late for that.

However, the case remains unsolved and shows no sign of being solved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 04, 2015, 08:01:12 PM
and yet more sources.

Yet nothing has been found.

Perhaps nothing was found eight+ years ago because no-one bothered looking anywhere but at Madeleine McCann's parents ... a mistake which has been disgracefully perpetuated over the period since by sceptics only asking questions.

This time round the police are conducting a professional investigation which is taking everything into consideration and not just one aspect in isolation.
I sincerely hope this time round they will be successful ... remember ... "Seek and ye shall find" ... you'll find nothing if you don't look for it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on September 04, 2015, 08:07:50 PM
Perhaps nothing was found eight+ years ago because no-one bothered looking anywhere but at Madeleine McCann's parents ... a mistake which has been disgracefully perpetuated over the period since by sceptics only asking questions.

This time round the police are conducting a professional investigation which is taking everything into consideration and not just one aspect in isolation.
I sincerely hope this time round they will be successful ... remember ... "Seek and ye shall find" ... you'll find nothing if you don't look for it.

and if there is nothing to find…..?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on September 05, 2015, 10:56:44 PM
Perhaps nothing was found eight+ years ago because no-one bothered looking anywhere but at Madeleine McCann's parents ... a mistake which has been disgracefully perpetuated over the period since by sceptics only asking questions.

This time round the police are conducting a professional investigation which is taking everything into consideration and not just one aspect in isolation.
I sincerely hope this time round they will be successful ... remember ... "Seek and ye shall find" ... you'll find nothing if you don't look for it.

Your assertion that the PJ looked at nothing except the possible guilt of the parents is patently and provably not true, it is a distortion of the truth, as to your comment that insinuates the PJ were unprofessional and SY are, you can't state that as a fact after the events and so many years later....SY had the luxury of time, money, protection from media onslaught and constant criticism..no comparison whatsoever, as well as you having no idea how the British police may have acted, what they found or didn't find in the same exact circumstances....iow you are in no position to judge, are you?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 07, 2015, 08:40:23 AM
Is it trolling if what you say isn't true?

In the inquiry it is clear that the PJ never dismissed any information or credible elements that might lead to the revelation of facts, with over 2000 formal and informal diligences carried out over the months, and the PJ having explored, nationally and internationally, all of the information with a higher or lower degree of credibility, with special relevance for tens of supposed sightings or trackings of the child, most of which were widely reported by the press.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2015, 09:34:40 AM
Is it trolling if what you say isn't true?

In the inquiry it is clear that the PJ never dismissed any information or credible elements that might lead to the revelation of facts, with over 2000 formal and informal diligences carried out over the months, and the PJ having explored, nationally and internationally, all of the information with a higher or lower degree of credibility, with special relevance for tens of supposed sightings or trackings of the child, most of which were widely reported by the press.
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LEGAL_SUMMARY.htm

So what I investigated leads are SY now following up

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 07, 2015, 11:40:53 AM
So what I investigated leads are SY now following up

We don't know. In June 2014 following one line of enquiry they were looking for a body in PdL, apparently;

The Met Police said in a statement this morning:.....................“There is still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months, which again should be viewed as no more than normal operational activity in a case of this size and complexity. “This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally. This is the same as would be done in the UK for a murder or high risk missing person enquiry.
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/met-police-thank-media-co-operation-after-eight-day-madeleine-mccann-investigation-portugal
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on September 07, 2015, 11:45:07 AM
We don't know. In June 2014 following one line of enquiry they were looking for a body in PdL, apparently;

The Met Police said in a statement this morning:.....................“There is still a substantial amount of work yet to be completed in the coming weeks and months, which again should be viewed as no more than normal operational activity in a case of this size and complexity. “This recent work is part of ensuring that all lines of enquiry are progressed in a systematic manner and covers just the one hypothesis that she was killed and buried locally. This is the same as would be done in the UK for a murder or high risk missing person enquiry.
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/met-police-thank-media-co-operation-after-eight-day-madeleine-mccann-investigation-portugal

thank you for a sensible answer
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Admin on September 09, 2015, 01:17:50 AM
Posters are reminded that this thread is reserved for search-specific posts which relate to the ongoing investigation and search for Madeleine in Portugal.

General updates and other news should be posted in the appropriate threads.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on September 30, 2015, 11:26:54 AM
About three weeks old and taken from the Mail Online Sept 4th 2015:

snip>>>>> 
The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.

Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over.

The British authorities have now made six official requests for international co-operation to the Portuguese over the Madeleine investigation. The previous one was in January this year. <<<<< snip


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on October 12, 2015, 11:58:27 AM
About three weeks old and taken from the Mail Online Sept 4th 2015:

snip>>>>> 
The request is the second made since DCI Nicola Wall took over Operation Grange from former boss Andy Redwood at the end of last year, but the first letter she will have been involved in preparing.

Regular meetings DCI Redwood held with his Portuguese counterparts in the Algarve city of Faro have been put on hold since DCI Wall took over.

The British authorities have now made six official requests for international co-operation to the Portuguese over the Madeleine investigation. The previous one was in January this year. <<<<< snip

They have to justify their existence some way so sending out ILOR's and making sure the Press know about it is just about right.  No progress...  Nothing found...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 24, 2015, 11:51:04 PM
Madeleine McCann detectives examine former suspect's pictures after Sunday People probe

(http://i.imgur.com/Bf313qt.jpg?1)

24 October 2015

Wojciech Krokowski's flat was searched after the three-year-old vanished but he was ruled out and has now given us snaps he took around the time she went missing.

(http://i4.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6699135.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Wojciech-Krokowski-pictured-in-Warsaw.jpg)

Keen photographer: Wojciech Krokowski in Warsaw

Officers are scouring ­dozens of images from the camera of businessman Wojciech Krokowski, from Poland.

They are focusing on those he took while in Praia da Luz at the time Madeleine went missing – on May 3, 2007.

Krokowski’s flat was searched after the three-year-old vanished. Portuguese cops later ruled him out.

The images British ­detectives are looking at is in a batch of hundreds handed over to us by the Pole during an interview.

Among them is a ­picture of Mr Krokowski, 52, taken in Portugal in May 2007.

It bears a resemblance to the image of a man walking with a sleeping child – an ­artist’s impression of the ­kidnap which was released in September 2007.

The picture was publicised widely in the hope it would jog ­memories about Madeleine.

But British police agreed the picture was not Mr Krokowski.

Mr Krokowski told our ­investigators he liked taking pictures of ­children while he was on trips abroad.

He said he was amazed he had not been contacted since ­police reopened the case in 2011. The Pole insisted: “ I am ready to speak to them any time they want.”

Mr Krokowski said he ­wanted to ­remove a shadow that has been hanging over him since he ­became the ­subject of an international manhunt over Madeleine.

It is the latest twist in the long-running saga in which British police have vowed to leave no stone unturned to solve the mystery of what ­happened to Madeleine.

The extensive Scotland Yard review, which began in 2011, has so far cost more than £10million, with an extra £2million set for next year.

Mr Krokowski and his wife Anetta, 50, stayed in the Solimar apartments in Burgau just two miles from Praia da Luz between Saturday April 28 April and Saturday May 5 in 2007.

(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6699129.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/E-fits-of-potential-suspects-which-have-built-up-since-Madeleine-McCann-went-missing.jpg)

Impression: Drawing of a child kidnap

Madeleine was snatched from her apartment while her doctor parents Kate, now 47, and Gerry, 46, dined nearby with friends.

We tracked Mr Krokowski to his office in the Polish ­capital. He admitted he enjoys taking pictures of ­children on holiday but ­that it was for ­artistic purposes. In his first-ever newspaper interview he said: “I take ­photos of old people, young people, landscapes and I have a lot of pictures from places like Thailand, Greece, Portugal, France, with kids on them.

“But I never thought about kids as a sexual object. Nothing like this, never, never never. I am a simple man with normal sexual orientations.”

(http://i3.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6699137.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/Wojcieh-Krokowski-fights-clear-his-name-in-the-Maddie-McCann-disappearance.jpg)

Relaxed: Mr Krokowski on holiday

Mr Krokowski revealed that although Polish police officers quizzed the couple and searched their apartment and the home of his father, they never ­confiscated his camera or inspected his pictures.

Goncalo Amaral, the controversial detective who led the original Portuguese investigation before he was replaced, has said he regretted that the Polish police probe into the couple was not taken further and that they did not seize Mr Krokowski’s camera and look at his holiday pics at that time.

But Mr Krokowski, who describes himself as an “obsessive photographer” told us he still had every single picture he took the day Madeleine vanished and handed them over so we could pass them to Operation Grange.

Our man met Mr Krokowski at the offices of his interior design business in a suburb of central Warsaw near the banks of the river Vistula. Smart and professional, Mr Krokowski was in a meeting when we first called but cut the session short in order to speak to us when we ­explained who we were.

Over a couple of hours together he spoke at length about his involvement in the case and how he was eager to clear his name once and for all.

He revealed the accusations had cast a shadow over him and his wife for eight years and that he had no idea he was being thought of as a suspect until ­police knocked on his door.

(http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6699134.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/PAY-Solimar-Apartments-on-Rua-Da-Nora-in-Burgau-Portugal-where-Wojciech-Krokowski-holidayed-with-his-wife.jpg)

Holiday home: Solimar Apartments on Rua Da Nora in Burgau, Portugal, where Wojciech Krokowski stayed with his wife

The couple were made a top priority by Portuguese detectives in the ­immediate aftermath of Madeleine’s disappearance. They issued a CCTV picture of the Polish couple at a ­shopping mall in Portugal which went round the world.

The move came after a tourist claimed a man fitting Mr Krokowski’s appearance and driving a rental car was taking pictures of his children in the resort of Sagres just a 20-minute drive from Praia da Luz.

The tourist claimed he feared the man wanted to kidnap his daughter, who he said bore a striking resemblance to Madeleine. But by the time the report was made, the Krokowskis had left for their Warsaw home. They pair were ­approached by police within half an hour after returning.

Their rental apartment in Portugal was also searched by forensic science experts but no charges were brought.

Mr Krokowski said he has ­taken a close interest in the case and was surprised he had not been ­contacted since the early days of the investigation.

He said: “I have followed this issue and know the British police are re-investigating.

“They have not been in touch with me yet but of course I am ready to speak to them any time they want to.

“Me and my wife came back to Poland via Berlin.

“We came back on the Saturday evening and took the train to Warsaw on Sunday morning.

“Half an hour after we got back the Polish police visited me at home and said they were there because of Madeleine.

“I said, ‘Welcome, please look around, go through my flat.’

“I flew back by plane and train, it would have been impossible to take someone with me.

“They seemed satisfied with that and I was never contacted again.

“But still on the internet I find the reports from the Portuguese police about us as ‘suspects’ and everything we were supposed to have done at this time.

“I am never comfortable when I read this and see I am a suspect. It’s not so good.

“I thought it was strange that I was a suspect. I am a normal man.

“I like ­children. I dream of having them but my wife has had some problems with alcohol and petty crimes over the years so we never had them.

“But I am a great ‘father’ to my friend’s ­children so it was a great pity for me that some ­parents lost their daughter.”

Speaking about the photos from his holiday in 2007, Mr Krokowski said he was happy to hand them over.

He added: “We are not the type of people to lie on the beach so we travelled a lot in that area between Sagres and Burgau and I have plenty of photos from our time there but the police never asked for them.

(http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article6699133.ece/ALTERNATES/s615b/CCTV-footage-of-Wojciech-Krokowski.jpg)

Shopping: CCTV footage of Wojciech Krokowski and his wife in the week Maddie went missing

“I thought once maybe I should show those photos. They are not just ­landscapes, there are lots of people. Maybe something in there could be helpful.

“I collect all my photographs, I still have them from that trip, of course you can have them if they could help in anyway.”

The Sunday People can also reveal Operation Grange has been looking at possible leads in northern and central Europe.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-examine-former-6699750
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on October 25, 2015, 01:19:05 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-examine-former-6699750

So where do OG say they are looking at these photographs ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alfred R Jones on October 25, 2015, 10:45:47 AM
So where do OG say they are looking at these photographs ?
why are you asking me?  I didn't write this article you know, I think the whole thing is bizarre from start to finish!q
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 25, 2015, 12:22:45 PM
He does look like the man in the sketch...well is hair anyway. and he likes taking pictures of children it must be him!...

I am sure he will be helpfull to police, here's hoping his pictures will show something. Strange though the police did not take his camera- and he seems sure he has nothing to hide. I do wonder though, where the initial story came from that a childless couple may have Madeleine, and they are taking good care of her? OR may be taking good care.

 And artist taking photos huh  whood a thunk it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2015, 01:05:32 PM

I don't like his remarks about his wife,  there was no need for that, or to report it in the paper.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 25, 2015, 01:08:38 PM
I don't like his remarks about his wife,  there was no need for that, or to report it in the paper.

Yes I agree Elle. not nice at all.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2015, 01:22:23 PM
Its in the files......................So he probably just wanted to come clean.


Leicestershire Constabulary

From: Officer Waddington

To: DI Holden

Major Crime Intelligence Unit

Date: 8th May 2007

Subject: Polish Enquiries - Interpol Ref

Attached are a series of emails between Poland and SOCA regarding enquiries there.

In summary the identified Polish residents are:

A****** K********* J******** (female)

W******* K***** K****** (male)

Address: Warsaw

A***** is known to the police for an alcohol and drug driving offence in 2003 and obtaining property by deception. This means that there is a photograph and set of fingerprints attached from 2003.

They booked two seats over the internet on 25/03/2007 for flights from Berlin. They took seats 18 D or E, or 18C and D. Dates of travel however, have not been provided by investigators.

The reason for using Berlin airport is that there are no direct budget flights from Faro to Poland and this is a regular route by Polish travellers.

The couple were spoken to and deny any knowledge of Madeleine. Both their address and that of their parents was visited and there was no sign of any young child.

In addition the Polish authorities interviewed the passengers that were sitting next to them on the flight home. They confirm there was no child with them.

I have emailed a copy of this memo and the original emails to the Portuguese incident room.

Submitted for your information.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on October 25, 2015, 01:38:15 PM
Its in the files......................So he probably just wanted to come clean.


Leicestershire Constabulary

From: Officer Waddington

To: DI Holden

Major Crime Intelligence Unit

Date: 8th May 2007

Subject: Polish Enquiries - Interpol Ref

Attached are a series of emails between Poland and SOCA regarding enquiries there.

In summary the identified Polish residents are:

A****** K********* J******** (female)

W******* K***** K****** (male)

Address: Warsaw

A***** is known to the police for an alcohol and drug driving offence in 2003 and obtaining property by deception. This means that there is a photograph and set of fingerprints attached from 2003.

They booked two seats over the internet on 25/03/2007 for flights from Berlin. They took seats 18 D or E, or 18C and D. Dates of travel however, have not been provided by investigators.

The reason for using Berlin airport is that there are no direct budget flights from Faro to Poland and this is a regular route by Polish travellers.

The couple were spoken to and deny any knowledge of Madeleine. Both their address and that of their parents was visited and there was no sign of any young child.

In addition the Polish authorities interviewed the passengers that were sitting next to them on the flight home. They confirm there was no child with them.

I have emailed a copy of this memo and the original emails to the Portuguese incident room.

Submitted for your information.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm

Or needed the money the newspaper paid him ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on October 25, 2015, 01:47:02 PM
Or needed the money the newspaper paid him ?

My very thought.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 25, 2015, 02:23:26 PM
Its in the files......................So he probably just wanted to come clean.


Leicestershire Constabulary

From: Officer Waddington

To: DI Holden

Major Crime Intelligence Unit

Date: 8th May 2007

Subject: Polish Enquiries - Interpol Ref

Attached are a series of emails between Poland and SOCA regarding enquiries there.

In summary the identified Polish residents are:

A****** K********* J******** (female)

W******* K***** K****** (male)

Address: Warsaw

A***** is known to the police for an alcohol and drug driving offence in 2003 and obtaining property by deception. This means that there is a photograph and set of fingerprints attached from 2003.

They booked two seats over the internet on 25/03/2007 for flights from Berlin. They took seats 18 D or E, or 18C and D. Dates of travel however, have not been provided by investigators.

The reason for using Berlin airport is that there are no direct budget flights from Faro to Poland and this is a regular route by Polish travellers.

The couple were spoken to and deny any knowledge of Madeleine. Both their address and that of their parents was visited and there was no sign of any young child.

In addition the Polish authorities interviewed the passengers that were sitting next to them on the flight home. They confirm there was no child with them.

I have emailed a copy of this memo and the original emails to the Portuguese incident room.

Submitted for your information.


http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/NUNO_LOURENCO.htm

Thanks for this Anna.

"Today we went to the above mentioned address with the aim of confirming a denouncement of an individual whose identification and attitude towards a four-year old girl on Mareta beach in Sagres was considered suspicious.

Thus, we contacted the father, NUNO  LOURENCO , of the household that was on holiday in the town of Sagres until 13/05/2007 together with a daughter around four years old and a son of around two years old."


This is very interesting. couple of points;
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on October 25, 2015, 02:35:42 PM
Thanks for this Anna.

"Today we went to the above mentioned address with the aim of confirming a denouncement of an individual whose identification and attitude towards a four-year old girl on Mareta beach in Sagres was considered suspicious.

Thus, we contacted the father, NUNO  LOURENCO , of the household that was on holiday in the town of Sagres until 13/05/2007 together with a daughter around four years old and a son of around two years old."


This is very interesting. couple of points;
  • Why did the father not report this immediatly?
    Why throw away the registration he took?


    Artistic photographers who seek to capture reallife events do not tend to point cameras at people as this would cause them to stop what they are doing and perhaps smile for the camera. This may be a reason for him not pointing it as he wanted to capture children in natural behaviour? I not am saying he could  not have been behaving in a suspicious manner or this was his reason I am just pointing this out.

I think, MTI that it was when he spotted this man a second time,  that witness reported it to the police.

His camera failed on the first sighting to capture the suspect and his car and he decided that it was not worth worrying about.

Correct about photographers.
His camera would probably have a top viewfinder and this is why he held it at waist height, as I did mine.

What a shame it is that it is no longer safe to photograph a child  8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on October 25, 2015, 03:56:56 PM
I think, MTI that it was when he spotted this man a second time,  that witness reported it to the police.

His camera failed on the first sighting to capture the suspect and his car and he decided that it was not worth worrying about.

Correct about photographers.
His camera would probably have a top viewfinder and this is why he held it at waist height, as I did mine.

What a shame it is that it is no longer safe to photograph a child  8(8-))

Oh thanks for clarifying that Anna.

Yes my sister who couldn't have children spent many hours at parks just watching children playing- it made her feel part of a little community. Then when My children were born she just was in her glory!..My best pictures of my children are the ones where they are playing unaware I am snapping them! falling asleep while eating lol

It is so sad innocence has been replaced by suspicion.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Anna on December 20, 2015, 06:34:39 PM
Madeleine McCann's parents set to fund their own search


Scotland Yard recently announced it is to scale down its Operation Grange investigation into Madeleine McCann's disappearance


By Martin Evans, Crime Correspondent

20 Dec 2015

 
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02075/mccann_2075340b.jpg)

Madeleine McCann’s parents are poised to launch a new privately funded search for their daughter after it was announced that the Scotland Yard operation was to be scaled down.

Kate and Gerry McCann are understood to have approved a fresh initiative using some of the £750,000 that remains in their appeal fund.

It is understood that plans are now under way to use the remainder of the ‘No Stone Unturned’ fund to hire private detectives to investigate new leads and unanswered questions.

The fund was also boosted by royalties from Kate’s book, Madeleine, and the couple have reiterated their determination to continue with the search.

In October Scotland Yard announced it was scaling down, Operation Grange, the Metropolitan Police investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance.

Kate McCann says she will never give up searching for her daughter Madeleine
The No Stone Unturned fund will pay for a fresh probe  Photo: Andrew Crowley

The inquiry, which was launched in 2011, and has cost more than £10 million, will continue but will have the number of full time officers working on the case reduced from 29 to just four.

Detectives have taken more than 1,300 statements and have collected over a thousand exhibits, but a spokesman for Scotland Yard said while there remained some lines of inquiry to follow, the vast majority of Operation Grange’s work had been completed.

Earlier this year the Home Office, which has been funding the police investigation, granted another £2 million to allow the work to continue.

Madeleine McCann from a family video
Madeleine's parents have vowed to never stop searching for their daughter

A source close to the McCanns told the Sunday People that the couple were ready to fund any private detective work from the remainder of the fund.

The source said: “There is £750,000 in the account. That money has been preserved because Kate and Gerry knew they may want to reopen an ­investigation at some point.

Madeleine McCann as she might look aged 9
A computer generated image of how Madeleine might now look  Photo: Teri Blythe

“They have always said they’ll do ­anything they can to keep going. That commitment remains.”

Madeleine McCann disappeared from her parents’ holiday apartment in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz in May 2007, shortly before her fourth birthday.

Operation Grange, the Scotland Yard investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, is to be scaled down

Since then her parents have campaigned tirelessly for the search to continue.

Operation Grange was launched after the Portuguese authorities shelved their probe into her disappearance and the family was forced to coordinate and fund their own investigation.

Following the announcement that Scotland Yard’s role was being significantly scaled back, the couple said they felt reassured that significant progress had been made and that they had a clearer picture of the events that led up to their daughter’s abduction.

The couple added: “Whilst we do not know what happened to Madeleine, we remain hopeful that she may still be found given the ongoing lines of inquiry.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/12060510/Madeleine-McCanns-parents-set-to-fund-their-own-search.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 20, 2015, 06:40:27 PM
Isn't this mostly a rehash of a report from a month or so ago ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on December 20, 2015, 06:46:47 PM
Isn't this mostly a rehash of a report from a month or so ago ?
Mostly?

Or should it be - simply?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on December 22, 2015, 02:16:31 AM
Too little too late imo.  If Scotland Yard couldn't accomplish anything with the huge resources available to them including the cooperation of the Portuguese authorities, I cannot see any private detectives getting anywhere fast at this stage and especially with echoes of Metodo 3 and Halligen still reverberating in the background.

They would be better off offering a reward for information and publicising it widely.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on December 22, 2015, 10:54:21 AM
TB has been given a direct answer to a couple of questions put to SY.

Neither Tannerman nor Smithman has been identified to date, and further information from the public about these would be welcomed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on December 22, 2015, 11:10:34 AM
TB has been given a direct answer to a couple of questions put to SY.

Neither Tannerman nor Smithman has been identified to date, and further information from the public about these would be welcomed.

So nothing new there then, eight years wasted chasing ghosts.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Lace on December 22, 2015, 11:18:41 AM
Too little too late imo.  If Scotland Yard couldn't accomplish anything with the huge resources available to them including the cooperation of the Portuguese authorities, I cannot see any private detectives getting anywhere fast at this stage and especially with echoes of Metodo 3 and Halligen still reverberating in the background.

They would be better off offering a reward for information and publicising it widely.

In my opinion   I don't think the McCann's will ever give up searching for Madeleine,  how can you give up on your child?    When the parents of missing children are interviewed,   none of them have given up hope of seeing their loved one again.   They are forever searching a crowd where ever they go.

My heart goes out to the McCann's,  they are parents of a missing child,  who have to put up with such a lot of back lash,  as well as grieving.   

I expect they will go back to sightings and following them up,  just as the Needham family do.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on December 22, 2015, 11:26:44 AM
So nothing new there then, eight years wasted chasing ghosts.


Its disappointing, if not surprising that all these 'people of interest' have amounted to nothing (as far as we can see), anymore than the much vaunted, but now  hardly mentioned analysis of phone traffic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 22, 2015, 01:36:40 PM
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/up_to_date_information_about_the#incoming-747129

"DECISION
I have today decided to disclose the located information to you in full:
The MPS response to Q1 and Q2 is:

These images remain unidentified. Any information that the public may have
that may assist in this investigation will always be appreciated".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on December 22, 2015, 04:32:14 PM
The Met's formal response to Mr Bennett's fairly specific FOI request was ambivalent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: mercury on December 24, 2015, 04:04:42 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-fresh-7064383
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on December 24, 2015, 07:27:29 AM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-fresh-7064383

Some interesting sentences, assuming the McCs are being kept informed by SY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on December 24, 2015, 09:20:06 AM
Some interesting sentences, assuming the McCs are being kept informed by SY.
some very interesting sentences.........does anyone still believe the McCanns know what hapenned to maddie but have decided to spend ANOTHER 750,000...in trying to find her...bizarrely the answer is yes
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on December 29, 2015, 04:36:21 PM
http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-case-slips-into-its-ninth-year

Madeleine case slips into its ninth year

Investigations into the controversial disappearance of Madeleine McCann seem set to continue in the new year at high cost but dubious worth.

The Metropolitan Police Service investigation codenamed Operation Grange has so far cost £12.5 million but has it come up with any substantive evidence to show what happened to Madeleine? The Met is not saying.

“We have not given a running commentary on the investigation, have not discussed ongoing lines of the investigation and the enquiry has not reached a conclusion,” a spokesperson reiterated at the weekend, adding that “there are still focused lines of investigation to be pursued.”

In a Christmas message expressing “new energy, new opportunities and new hope,” Kate and Gerry McCann thanked the Met for the “progress” made over the year, but they are reportedly poised to use the £750,000 left in their Find Madeleine fund to hire a new team of private detectives when the Operation Grange investigation ends.

The Met disclosed in October it was scaling down the Operation Grange team from 29 full-time officers to just four.

In its early review work starting in 2011, they collated more than 40,000 documents from UK and foreign law enforcement agencies as well as various private investigation companies.

Some of this had to be translated into English, facts had to be cross-referred and diligently analysed in the search for new lines of inquiry before the review was turned into a full-scale investigation in mid-2012.
Since then the Operation Grange team say they have raised 7,154 actions and identified 560 lines of enquiry, taken 1,338 statements and collected 1,027 exhibits. More than 30 international requests have been sent to various countries asking for work to be undertaken on behalf of the Met.

Officers have investigated more than 60 persons of interest, considered 650 sex offenders and looked into reports of 8,685 potential sightings of Madeleine around the world.

That all seems clear enough, but to many sceptics who have followed the case closely it is all a show, a sham, a cover-up, a whitewash, a conspiracy to hide the truth. They allege the claim that Madeleine was abducted, which her parents have always been adamant about and which the police and mainstream press in the UK seem to accept, is a fabrication.

The Met, of course, will have none of it. Poring through a vast wealth of information and theories in the extraordinary circumstances of investigating a missing child years later in another country was always going to be an immense task and required a full team of 29 staff working on it, is the official view.

“While there remain lines of enquiry to follow, the vast majority of the work by Operation Grange has been completed,” according to the Met.

The team now consists of a detective sergeant and three detective constables who have been working on the case for a long time. They will continue to be overseen by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall. Officers will deploy to Portugal if required to do so.

The Met’s Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley has stated that every possible measure is being taken to find out what happened to Madeleine.

“We still have very definite lines to pursue which is why we are keeping a dedicated team of officers working on the case.
“The Portuguese police remain the lead investigators and our team will continue to support their inquiry. They have extended every courtesy to Operation Grange and we maintain a close working relationship. I know they remain fully committed to investigating Madeleine's disappearance with support from the Metropolitan Police.”

The willingness of Madeleine’s parents to go private again begs the question of how any latter-day team of private detectives could hope to solve a case that seems to have stumped not only Operation Grange, but two lengthy investigations by the Portuguese judicial police and expensive earlier probes by three previous teams of private detectives.

An unnamed source quoted by in the British press shortly before Christmas said: “We don't know exactly when Operation Grange will end but while it continues it has the finest technology and analysts.”

The source added poignantly: “Private investigations are expensive and do not have anything like the range and capabilities available to the Yard.”

The Operation Grange enquiry may close in a few months by which time another landmark in this costly case will probably have been reached. A ruling could come at any time now on former detective Gonçalo Amaral’s appeal against the outcome of the civil action brought against him by Kate and Gerry McCann

The McCanns were awarded €500,000 plus interest in damages over his book, Maddie, the Truth of the Lie. If the McCanns lose the appeal, it is thought they may counter-appeal.

As to what really happened to Madeleine in Praia da Luz in May 2007, with the passing of each year we seem no closer to learning the whole truth.

By LEN PORT
 Len Port is a journalist and author based in the Algarve. Follow Len’s reflections on current affairs in Portugal on his blog: algarvenewswatch.blogspot.pt
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: stephen25000 on February 27, 2017, 07:42:52 PM
 From a certain tabloid..............

' MADDIE PROBE BLOW

 Britain’s top cop Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe quits without seeing through pledge to find Madeleine McCann to ‘end her parents’ torture’

Met Police boss is stepping down with cops no closer to finding the missing child after thousands of potential sightings '

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2960478/britains-top-cop-sir-bernard-hogan-howe-quits-without-seeing-through-pledge-to-find-madeleine-mccann-to-end-her-parents-torture/#comments
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on March 06, 2017, 01:49:40 PM
Has the landfill nearest to PDL ever been searched?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4285832/Corrie-McKeague-search-turns-landfill-site.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 11, 2017, 11:33:11 PM
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-plough-500000-10009454

"Madeleine McCann’s parents have put nearly £500,000 into a string of investments in a desperate bid to keep their search for her going.

Kate and Gerry hope returns from the schemes will boost the dwindling Find Madeleine Fund as the 10th ­anniversary of her disappearance ­approaches. They have declined to reveal what they have invested in.

A source said: “They are making best use of the fund’s remaining cash. It makes sense to make sure the money earns as much as possible.” "


The whole article is worth reading if only because....................well work it out for yourselves.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Alice Purjorick on March 11, 2017, 11:46:52 PM
Morny Stannit.....read all about it.

http://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-10799223

:: Sunday Express

[i"]The detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have identified a person they want to question".[/i]
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on March 12, 2017, 12:45:50 AM
Madeleine McCann police funds extended for six months

A Home Office spokeswoman said: "Following an application from the Metropolitan Police for Special Grant funding, the Home Office has confirmed £85,000 in operational costs for Operation Grange for the period 1 April until September 2017.
"As with all applications, the resources required are reviewed regularly and careful consideration is given before any new funding is allocated."

Met Police said: "The investigation is ongoing. We are not prepared to discuss any lines of inquiry while the investigation is ongoing."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-39246538
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 12, 2017, 12:46:49 AM
Morny Stannit.....read all about it.

http://news.sky.com/story/sundays-national-newspaper-front-pages-10799223

:: Sunday Express

[i"]The detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have identified a person they want to question".[/i]
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/778047/madeleine-mccann-police-investigation-new-lead-one-man-key
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on March 12, 2017, 08:36:45 AM
OG put 50p in the meter...

For SY costs see...

https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/metropolitan-value-for-money-profile-2014.pdf (https://www.justiceinspectorates.gov.uk/hmic/wp-content/uploads/metropolitan-value-for-money-profile-2014.pdf)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 27, 2017, 12:47:19 PM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 10, 2017, 12:35:24 AM
Members please note ... there is NO discussion on this thread ... it is solely for the Latest News
If you have interesting points to make regarding what is in the news, please do so here ...
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=5764.msg204508#msg204508
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 29, 2017, 11:31:20 PM
WORLD EXCLUSIVE: Prime suspect in Madeleine McCann case is a WOMAN

SCOTLAND Yard’s key suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann is a woman, the Sunday Express can reveal.

By EXCLUSIVE BY CAROLINE WHEELER AND JAMES MURRAY
PUBLISHED: 22:30, Sat, Apr 29, 2017

The hunt for the woman, who was spotted close to where the three year old went missing, is the critical lead in the investigation and has been described as “a hugely significant line of inquiry”.

The news comes as Madeleine’s parents gave a moving interview to mark the tenth anniversary of her disappearance.

Last month we revealed that the police had identified a person they wanted to question having been given an extra £85,000 to follow up the crucial lead.

The hunt was due to end within weeks as funding ran out.

But the fresh development means funding for the investigation will continue until September.

Last week Met Police Assistant Commissioner Mark Rowley said they still hoped they could provide answers to what happened.

The Scotland Yard chief said there are still “critical” leads that are of “great interest” to the investigation.

Full story will be published in the Sunday Express.

The Sunday Express is also publishing an eight page special report on the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance

Madeleine was in Praia da Luz with her parents Kate and Gerry when she went missing.

She disappeared from their apartment while the parents dined just 60 yards away.

On Wednesday, the famly including Madeleine's younger twin siblings, Sean and Amelie, now 12, will mark the 10th anniversary of her disappearance with an outdoor prayer service in their home village of Rothley.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/798259/Madeleine-McCann-Latest-prime-suspect-is-a-woman
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 29, 2017, 11:54:24 PM
Maddie Case: Ten Years Later, PJ Denies Political Pressures
On the eve of the tenth anniversary of Madeleine McCann's disappearance, the Judiciary Police Directorate denies that there have been political pressures from London and Lisbon in the course of the investigation. The case remains unresolved.
LUSA April 29, 2017, 12:49 Share news

The Deputy Director of the Judiciary Police said that the PJ never suffered political pressure during the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann in 2007 and that criticism of the police did not affect the work.

PUB

"The Judicial Police did not feel any political pressure from the British authorities and even less from the Portuguese authorities to act in this or that way. This pressure did not exist at all," Pedro do Carmo said in an interview with the Lusa news agency. Disappearance of the English child Madeleine McCann in the Algarve.

During the process, the PJ followed several lines of investigation, and the parents of the child came to constitute defendants, which received criticism, especially from the English media, but Pedro do Carmo believes that they had "no consequence or impact on the investigation ".

"For the Judiciary Police, it is important, as long as it is possible to clarify the case, to continue their work," acknowledging that Maddie's disappearance was a case "unique in the history of the PJ and of the country," he said.

"Because it is a missing child and eventually we can face a crime that has not been clarified yet, we have every interest in knowing what happened, because that is how we can learn the lessons for future situations," he said.

In this case, he added, "we have not yet come to that point which makes it a unique case, and this justifies the commitment and persistence of the PJ. This is what mobilizes us and keeps us determined and immune to any pressure. Political or media. "

Although the police are aware that, as time goes by, it becomes more difficult to reach answers or results, it continues to investigate the case, through a team from the Porto directory, with Pedro do Carmo saying that "still There is reason to hope. "

The disappearance of Maddie continues to be investigated by the PJ and the Metropolitan Police, and in the words of the deputy director of police, "a close relationship, cooperation, but with separation of teams and degree of independence."

The fact that the mystery remained ten years ago leads Pedro do Carmo to admit that this case is "a stone in the shoe of the PJ" and that it is still premature to make an analysis of how the whole process of investigation has run.

On May 3, 2007, three-year-old Maddie disappeared from her bedroom with her two younger brothers and sisters in a holiday apartment in the Algarve.

At the outset of the investigation, the PJ came to constitute as defendant Robert Murat, a Briton who lived near the Ocean Club and who had participated in the searches and was an interpreter of GNR and PJ.

https://www.publico.pt/2017/04/29/sociedade/noticia/caso-maddie-dez-anos-depois-pj-nega-pressoes-politicas-1770459
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on April 30, 2017, 12:19:27 AM
Members please note ... there is NO discussion on this thread ... it is solely for the Latest News. 
If you have interesting points to make regarding what is in the news, please do so here ...
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 25, 2017, 08:26:55 AM
Hunt for Madeleine McCann could be over THIS WEEK: £12million probe may CLOSE after funding blow.

THE £12million British police probe into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann could be shelved this week


By Jerry Lawton / Published 25th September 2017

Funding for the Metropolitan Police’s Operation Grange is due to run out on Saturday.

Officers have applied to the Home Office for an extra £90,000 to keep the investigation going for another six months.

Policing minister Nick Hurd was expected to sign it off but Home Secretary Amber Rudd has reportedly got involved and no decision has yet been taken.

If the Met’s bid is rejected it is likely the four-strong team of detectives still working on the case will be wound down.
Scotland Yard could pay the sum from its own budget, but the force has suffered severe cutbacks.

Police union officials have called for the McCann inquiry to be axed and funds redirected to protect London from crime and terrorism.

If the probe is halted it would be a bitter blow to Madeleine’s doctor parents Kate and Gerry, from Rothley, Leics.

Sources say they would dip into a fund set up shortly after their daughter vanished in Portugal in 2007 to pay private detectives to carry on looking for her.
But that cash pot – funded by public donations and the proceeds from Kate’s book about the case – has dwindled.

The couple also still have to pay Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral’s legal costs after their bid to sue him for £1m in libel damages failed.

A source said: “If the Home Office doesn’t come through with the extra funds, it would be a blow.

“The police obviously believe there are still active leads to be followed up and progress to be made.
“It would be extremely frustrating if funding was to dry up without the inquiry being allowed to reach a conclusion.”

A Home Office spokesman said recently: “The Metropolitan Police has made a further application for funding which will be considered.

“They have needed to justify what the money would be spent on.

“The Home Office has provided funding for Operation Grange and the resources required are reviewed regularly with careful consideration given before any new funding is allocated.”
The last cash injection came in April, with £85,000 to keep the current team working until the end of this month.

A Met Police spokesman said: “The inquiry has not reached a conclusion and we’re continuing with focus and determination.”

An announcement from the Home Office is expected this week.

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/647381/madeleine-mccann-search-missing-girl-portugal-police-hunt-end
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on January 07, 2018, 06:00:23 PM
Members please note - LATEST NEWS - only on this thread
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on January 09, 2018, 07:24:36 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/mark-rowley-resigns-met-police-counter-terrorism-commissioner-a8150131.html

Mark Rowley, the Metropolitan Police’s Assistant Commissioner and the UK’s national lead for counter terrorism policing, has announced his retirement.

Mr Rowley will continue to lead his counter terror policing network until March this year.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 05, 2018, 11:14:58 AM


"Another tough date": Kate McCann's 50th birthday wish to find missing Madeleine as funding for search runs out.

The family refuse to give up hope that Madeleine McCann - who went missing in Portugal 11 years ago and would almost be 15 years old now - is still alive

The milestone 50th birthday of Kate McCann tomorrow will be tinged with sadness as funding to find her missing daughter starts to dry up, it is being reported tonight.

The haunted mother is no closer to finding out what happened to her daughter Madeleine who disappeared in Portugal while the family were on holiday 11 years ago.

Met Police assigned to Operation Grange have less than four weeks left of guaranteed funding, reports The Sun .

More funding has been applied for to pursue a 'significant final line of inquiry' but no decision has yet been made if it will be approved.

Next Sunday will be Kate's 11th Mother's Day without her missing daughter.

A pal of the family told The Sun that Kate's 50th birthday on Monday will also be a tough day.

They added: "While celebrations go on there is a always a reminder that Madeleine, who would now be a teenager, almost 15 years old, is still missing.


“Kate’s only birthday wish is to find out what happened to her eldest child and she hopes and prays that police will be granted extra funds to carry on their important work to help find her."

One of Kate's pals also told The Sun: “They’re trying to keep her buoyed up and helping her celebrate a significant birthday. It’s a few months of milestones - the twins became teenagers last month, Kate’s turning 50 and Gerry’s 50th birthday is in June."

Kate and he husband Gerry, 49, of Leicester, recently celebrated their twin children turning 13 and said prayers for Madeleine.

Three-year-old Madeleine vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz in May 2007 while her parents were dining with pals in a nearby tapas restaurant.

Kate and Gerry have never given up hope that their daughter could still be found alive. She would now be aged 14, nearly 15.

In February the Daily Mirror revealed the Kate and Gerry McCann have raised £728,508 through a 'Find Maddie Fund' which could be used to fund private investigators.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/another-tough-date-kate-mccanns-12126555
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 05, 2018, 11:23:43 AM

Whenever I read these comments I can't help but read them as....


"The family refuse to give up...........hope that Madeleine is still alive."

Madeleine McCann’s parents 'will never give up'......... searching as they thank supporters during Christmas.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-will-never-11750903


They'll never give up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on March 05, 2018, 04:50:31 PM
Kate McCann's 50th birthday is 'tinged with sadness' as she reaches another milestone without her Maddie... but the family hope the police will continue their search

(http://i.imgur.com/vXOx0hK.jpg?1)

By CHARLOTTE DEAN FOR MAILONLINE
Published 4 March 2018

A friend of Kate's told the Sun: 'Kate's big birthday is another tough date for her. While celebrations go on there is a always a reminder that Madeleine, who would now be a teenager, almost 15 years old, is still missing.

'Kate's only birthday wish is to find out what happened to her eldest child and she hopes and prays that police will be granted extra funds to carry on their important work to help find her.'

Kate and her husband Gerry, 49 celebrated their twins Sean and Amelie's thirteenth birthday last month with prayers for their lost daughter.

Another tough date for Kate is Mother's Day, this year will mark her 11th one without Madeline, she has previously described the day as a painful and 'a constant reminder that one of her children isn't with her.       

Kate has previously said she would just like to know if Madeline is alive or dead as the not knowing is the worst part.

The Met Police search in place to find Madeleine, dubbed Operation Grange, has less than four weeks of guaranteed funding left.

No decision has been made yet on whether they will be given to 'pursue one significant final line of inquiry'.         

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry are extremely grateful to police for all they have done and are doing in the continued search for Madeleine .

'They are very encouraged that there remains work to be done that requires a request for an extra budget and they remain thankful to the Home Office for considering it.'


(http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/03/04/21/0C8A1FB200000578-0-image-a-44_1520200766051.jpg)         

Family spokesman Clarence Mitchell said: 'Kate and Gerry are extremely grateful to police for all they have done and are doing in the continued search for Madeleine .

'They are very encouraged that there remains work to be done that requires a request for an extra budget and they remain thankful to the Home Office for considering it.'

The current funding of £154,000 runs out at the end of this month. It is understood cops are seeking an extra £150,000. The inquiry has already cost the taxpayer £11.2million. 

A Home Office spokesperson said: 'The Metropolitan Police has made a further application for funding, which is currently being considered. A decision has not yet been made.'

A SY spokesperson said: 'The inquiry has not reached a conclusion and we're hoping to continue with focus and determination.'

The McCanns have nearly £3/4million saved in a fund to help find their daughter - giving them a lifeline if the police hunt is axed next month.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5461243/Kate-McCanns-50th-birthday-tinged-sadness.html#ixzz58tTrrD2N
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on March 26, 2018, 09:44:19 PM
EXCLUSIVE: The hunt for Madeleine McCann CONTINUES as Home Office approves Met Police’s request for cash to pursue a ‘final line of inquiry’ 11 years after youngster vanished

The Home Office allocated an unknown amount to the Met's Operation Grange

Detectives investigating the disappearance applied for more funding in February

More than £11 million has been spent so far on the probe to find the missing girl

The hunt for Madeleine McCann will continue after the Metropolitan Police Service was granted more funds to continue the 11-year-long search.

The Home Office revealed today that it had allocated further funds to the Met's investigation to hers disappearance - Operation Grange.

A representative said: 'The Government remains committed to the investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

'We have briefed the Metropolitan Police Service that its application for Special Grant funding for Operation Grange will be granted.'

Detectives investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann applied for more funding for the search in February.

Government funding for the investigation has historically been agreed every six months, with £154,000 being granted from October last year until the end of March.

More than £11 million has been spent so far on the probe to find the missing girl, who vanished from the family's holiday apartment in Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007, aged three.

The exact figure allocated for the ongoing investigation is not yet known.

Madeleine, three, vanished from an apartment in Praia da Luz in May 2007 while her parents were eating tapas with friends at a restaurant nearby.

She would now be nearly 15.

Operation Grange has been one of the longest, most high-profile and costly police investigations in history.

Launched in May 2011, officers have sifted (and translated) 40,000 documents produced by Portuguese police who conducted the initial investigation, and by the eight teams of private detectives who have worked on the case.

Some 600 'persons of interest' have been examined and 'sightings' of Madeleine — in Brazil, India, Morocco and Paraguay, on a German plane and in a New Zealand supermarket — assessed. 

The Portuguese investigation of Madeleine's disappearance was criticised by the British authorities as being not fit for purpose.

Scotland Yard began an investigative review into the disappearance in 2011, on the orders of then-Prime Minister David Cameron.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5546721/The-hunt-Madeleine-McCann-CONTINUES-Home-Office-approves-Met-Polices-funding.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on April 03, 2018, 04:33:41 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43624692

A Chinese woman was re-united with her family 24 years after disappearing as a 3 year-old girl.  There are similarities and dissimilarities with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Make up your own mind.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 03, 2018, 05:09:58 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43624692

A Chinese woman was re-united with her family 24 years after disappearing as a 3 year-old girl.  There are similarities and dissimilarities with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Make up your own mind.
What a lovely (true) story.

Thank you SIL.

Never give up hope.  Keep searching!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on April 04, 2018, 07:22:26 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-43624692

A Chinese woman was re-united with her family 24 years after disappearing as a 3 year-old girl.  There are similarities and dissimilarities with the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.  Make up your own mind.

The interesting bit which puts the McCanns to shame imo..

"Mr Wang and his wife spent years searching for her in the city and surrounding areas, taking out advertisements in newspapers and setting up online appeals. The couple, who have another daughter and a son, never left Chengdu, in the hope that Qifeng would find her way back to them."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on April 04, 2018, 10:53:44 PM
The interesting bit which puts the McCanns to shame imo..

"Mr Wang and his wife spent years searching for her in the city and surrounding areas, taking out advertisements in newspapers and setting up online appeals. The couple, who have another daughter and a son, never left Chengdu, in the hope that Qifeng would find her way back to them."
The Mccanns searched alright.  Their method was different and it was in another country, with a language they didn't speak, which made it harder. 

They used a more intellectual method of searching and scored the jackpot by persuading SY to take Madeleines disappearance on board .... and in turn ... for the Portuguese PJ to open up the case again.  What could be better than that?

They have taken a back seat whilst SY and the Porto PJ special squad carry on the search, BUT are ready to take on the search again if SY and the PJ's investigation comes to a premature end, without managing to find Madeleine and the perps.

 &%%6, Have the Mccanns and their supporters ever done well !    All this despite a seemingly organized vociferous group pumping out propaganda against them ... and also making every effort for the case to be closed down



Seems some people whilst protesting otherwise, want for Madeleine NOT TO BE FOUND.  I wonder why?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on April 06, 2018, 10:59:28 PM
http://portugalresident.com/madeleine-milestone-amaral-agrees-%E2%80%9Csome-things-we-did-weren%E2%80%99t-right%E2%80%9D

"Madeleine milestone: Amaral agrees “some things we did weren’t right”"  The most recent interview with Goncalo Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on April 07, 2018, 04:40:19 PM
The Mccanns searched alright.  Their method was different and it was in another country, with a language they didn't speak, which made it harder. 

They used a more intellectual method of searching and scored the jackpot by persuading SY to take Madeleines disappearance on board .... and in turn ... for the Portuguese PJ to open up the case again.  What could be better than that?

They have taken a back seat whilst SY and the Porto PJ special squad carry on the search, BUT are ready to take on the search again if SY and the PJ's investigation comes to a premature end, without managing to find Madeleine and the perps.

 &%%6, Have the Mccanns and their supporters ever done well !    All this despite a seemingly organized vociferous group pumping out propaganda against them ... and also making every effort for the case to be closed down



Seems some people whilst protesting otherwise, want for Madeleine NOT TO BE FOUND.  I wonder why?

Searched my backside.  They walked away the minute their own culpability was being investigated, they took the cowards way out imo and then put in place a grand scheme to destroy the PJ investigators which has ultimately failed and backfired on them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 16, 2018, 08:54:41 AM
Members are reminded to post on the correct thread at http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=8490.0
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 09, 2018, 02:58:53 AM
Madeleine McCann cops in secret trips to Portugal as police remain on trail
POLICE looking for missing Madeleine McCann have made secret visits to Portugal.

By Jonhathan Corke / Published 9th September 2018

The Daily Star Sunday can reveal detectives bought five return flights to the country in the last financial year.

The air tickets, which cost £1,240, were for two separate trips, according to the Metropolitan Police.

The senior investigating officer, Det Chief Insp Nicola Wall, also claimed £811 for accommodation along with £80 on taxis to and from UK airports.

As well as DCI Wall, three detective constables and one detective sergeant are in the Operation Grange investigating team.

Their probe recently won further Home Office funding of up to £150,000.

Former police and taxpayers have questioned why the probe is still going on.

Details of the flights, which we obtained via Freedom of Information laws, suggest there could still be important leads.

Madeleine’s parents Kate, 50, and Gerry, 49, of Rothley, Leics, believe their girl, who would now be 15, could still be alive.

An £11.5million police probe into her disappearance began in 2011 after a plea to then Prime Minister David Cameron for a British investigation.

Madeleine was three when she vanished from a holiday apartment in 2007 while her parents dined with friends nearby.

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/728437/madeleine-mccann-maddie-latest-search-missing-praia-da-luz-portugal?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+daily-star-latest-news+%28Daily+Star+%3A%3A+News+Feed%29
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 11, 2018, 08:41:37 AM
According to the Daily Mail today -

Hunt for Madeleine McCann could be shelved within THREE WEEKS:
Missing girl's parents fear search may end abruptly as funding runs out with no new leads to chase

    EXCLUSIVE: Operation Grange, which has cost £11m, is set to finish this month
    No fresh request has been made to continue the operation from the Home Office
   

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153495/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-shelved-THREE-WEEKS-fear-missing-girls-parents.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on September 11, 2018, 11:30:21 AM
According to the Daily Mail today -

Hunt for Madeleine McCann could be shelved within THREE WEEKS:
Missing girl's parents fear search may end abruptly as funding runs out with no new leads to chase

    EXCLUSIVE: Operation Grange, which has cost £11m, is set to finish this month
    No fresh request has been made to continue the operation from the Home Office
   

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6153495/Hunt-Madeleine-McCann-shelved-THREE-WEEKS-fear-missing-girls-parents.html

This has been coming for a while as all leads have now been exhausted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on September 11, 2018, 12:05:34 PM
This has been coming for a while as all leads have now been exhausted.

The same was, said last time... No request for funds have beeb made...
It will be interesting to see what happens
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 13, 2018, 01:00:55 PM
Police request another six months of funding to investigate disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Matilda Long
Yahoo News UK13 September 2018

Scotland Yard has requested a further six months’ worth of funding to continue their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Police have put in a request to the Home Office to support their joint operation with Portuguese police.

Investigation have been running since three-year-old Madeleine vanished in 2007 from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

So far the hunt has cost a total of £11.6million.

Earlier this week it was reported that the search could be shelved within three weeks after running out of funding.

But the Met has asked Sajid Javid to continue to pay for Operation Grange, which was launched in 2011 after a Portuguese inquiry failed to make any progress.

British officers have so far gone through 40,000 documents produced by Portuguese police in the original investigation, as well as information from eight teams of private investigators.

About 600 “persons of interest” have been examined and several reported sightings of Madeleine all over the world have been assessed.

In May, Kate and Gerry posted a tribute to mark their daughter’s 15th birthday.

They told her: “We love you and we’re waiting for you and we’re never going to give up.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-request-another-six-months-funding-investigate-disappearance-madeleine-mccann-114513101.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on September 13, 2018, 04:08:21 PM
Police request another six months of funding to investigate disappearance of Madeleine McCann

Matilda Long
Yahoo News UK13 September 2018

Scotland Yard has requested a further six months’ worth of funding to continue their investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Police have put in a request to the Home Office to support their joint operation with Portuguese police.

Investigation have been running since three-year-old Madeleine vanished in 2007 from her parents’ holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

So far the hunt has cost a total of £11.6million.

Earlier this week it was reported that the search could be shelved within three weeks after running out of funding.

But the Met has asked Sajid Javid to continue to pay for Operation Grange, which was launched in 2011 after a Portuguese inquiry failed to make any progress.

British officers have so far gone through 40,000 documents produced by Portuguese police in the original investigation, as well as information from eight teams of private investigators.

About 600 “persons of interest” have been examined and several reported sightings of Madeleine all over the world have been assessed.

In May, Kate and Gerry posted a tribute to mark their daughter’s 15th birthday.

They told her: “We love you and we’re waiting for you and we’re never going to give up.”

https://uk.news.yahoo.com/police-request-another-six-months-funding-investigate-disappearance-madeleine-mccann-114513101.html

Thank you Brietta

It is looking like groundhog day to me. In 2 - 3 weeks we will get the approval of funding for Operation Grange. I haven't had an interest in this case for all that long but even I see a pattern with the media stories.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on September 13, 2018, 08:35:34 PM
Oh no they've not.Panto season is early.


NO REQUEST MADE Madeleine McCann probe blow as Home Office DENIES police have requested more cash to hunt for missing girl as funding running out.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7249512/madeleine-mccann-met-police-home-office-funding-search/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on September 17, 2018, 02:22:24 AM
Gerry to appear on Radio 4 re mental stress issues

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173813/Gerry-McCann-open-mental-health-struggles-Radio-4-interview.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7273738/madeleine-mccanns-dad-to-reveal-his-painful-mental-health-struggle-11-years-after-she-vanished/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 17, 2018, 08:16:59 AM
Gerry to appear on Radio 4 re mental stress issues

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6173813/Gerry-McCann-open-mental-health-struggles-Radio-4-interview.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7273738/madeleine-mccanns-dad-to-reveal-his-painful-mental-health-struggle-11-years-after-she-vanished/
A brave move, knowing as he must the ridicule and hatred his interview will generate, some sceptics must surely be rubbing their hands together with glee over this news - I predict Gerry will provide them with a wealth of material to “wonder” over, to cross reference with interviews he gave 10 years ago, etc. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on September 17, 2018, 09:21:19 AM
A brave move, knowing as he must the ridicule and hatred his interview will generate, some sceptics must surely be rubbing their hands together with glee over this news - I predict Gerry will provide them with a wealth of material to “wonder” over, to cross reference with interviews he gave 10 years ago, etc.


It will be interesting to read the sceptic view of why Gerry is taking part in this broadcast.
In my opinion this continues to indicate that Madeleine's parents had no part in the disappearance of their daughter.
Unless of course he is the duplicitous, scheming, callous man that some believe him to be.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on September 17, 2018, 09:50:57 AM

It will be interesting to read the sceptic view of why Gerry is taking part in this broadcast.
In my opinion this continues to indicate that Madeleine's parents had no part in the disappearance of their daughter.
Unless of course he is the duplicitous, scheming, callous man that some believe him to be.

Whatever happened 11 years ago, he lost his daughter. The mental effects of that will still be real.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on September 17, 2018, 10:35:16 AM
Whatever happened 11 years ago, he lost his daughter. The mental effects of that will still be real.


But continue the charade by taking part in a broadcast about mental stress when he knows he has been part of a huge deception.
Really?
Surely that will add to the guilt and mental stress?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 17, 2018, 10:47:20 AM
Once you've grasped the Tiger's tail of deception, it's difficult to let go.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on September 17, 2018, 10:59:30 AM
Once you've grasped the Tiger's tail of deception, it's difficult to let go.


Stock response when there is there is nothing plausible to add.
Why volunteer to continue the deception ?
He could have let go of the Tigers tail years ago.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 17, 2018, 05:32:30 PM
Once you've grasped the Tiger's tail of deception, it's difficult to let go.
What do you know about it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 17, 2018, 05:49:57 PM
What kind of person would give this reader’s comment a red arrow?

“A brave thing to do given all the negative press this family get, none of us can imagine your pain but we can share your hope that one day Maddie will be found”..

1400 people saw fit to do so.  Sickos. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 17, 2018, 05:52:08 PM
What do you know about it?

Everything  8)--))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on September 17, 2018, 05:59:06 PM
Everything  8)--))
That figures, I always thought there was something deceitful about you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 18, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
What kind of person would give this reader’s comment a red arrow?

“A brave thing to do given all the negative press this family get, none of us can imagine your pain but we can share your hope that one day Maddie will be found”..

1400 people saw fit to do so.  Sickos.
Is that a dislike indication?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on September 18, 2018, 12:30:19 AM
What kind of person would give this reader’s comment a red arrow?

“A brave thing to do given all the negative press this family get, none of us can imagine your pain but we can share your hope that one day Maddie will be found”..

1400 people saw fit to do so.  Sickos.

Depraved.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 18, 2018, 06:44:25 AM
This article is all over the place https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6178661/Public-fund-Madeline-McCann-WIPED-upcoming-court-case.html

"Public fund to find Madeline McCann could be WIPED OUT if Kate and Gerry are forced to pay £750,000 to detective who claimed they covered up her death in upcoming court case"

I'm wondering about the order of the court cases.  Will the McCanns only pay if they lose the case to the ECHR? or before?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 18, 2018, 10:56:36 AM
This article is all over the place https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6178661/Public-fund-Madeline-McCann-WIPED-upcoming-court-case.html

"Public fund to find Madeline McCann could be WIPED OUT if Kate and Gerry are forced to pay £750,000 to detective who claimed they covered up her death in upcoming court case"

I'm wondering about the order of the court cases.  Will the McCanns only pay if they lose the case to the ECHR? or before?

The article is rubbish. The McCanns will not 'face Amaral in the European Court'. Losing the case won't mean they have to pay anything. As far as we know Amaral has made no move to sue them. He may well have applied for his costs in the libel trial and for compensation for having his assets frozen for years. The Fund may well pay the bill, but is under no legal obligation to do so.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 18, 2018, 11:13:58 AM
The article is rubbish. The McCanns will not 'face Amaral in the European Court'. Losing the case won't mean they have to pay anything. As far as we know Amaral has made no move to sue them. He may well have applied for his costs in the libel trial and for compensation for having his assets frozen for years. The Fund may well pay the bill, but is under no legal obligation to do so.

It most certainly a load of misleading rubbish, pitched to display the McCanns in victim mode.

I haven't seen anything to suggest that the case will be heard in a few weeks - has anyone ?

The usual load of unsympathetic comments follow
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on September 18, 2018, 03:49:10 PM
The article is rubbish. The McCanns will not 'face Amaral in the European Court'. Losing the case won't mean they have to pay anything. As far as we know Amaral has made no move to sue them. He may well have applied for his costs in the libel trial and for compensation for having his assets frozen for years. The Fund may well pay the bill, but is under no legal obligation to do so.

The McCanns have used the fund to sue Goncalo Amaral but is it the fund or the McCanns themselves that are liable for any court costs awarded by the court?

Does anyone know.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 18, 2018, 03:56:01 PM
The McCanns have used the fund to sue Goncalo Amaral but is it the fund or the McCanns themselves that are liable for any court costs awarded by the court?

Does anyone know.

I think technically, it falls on their shoulders, but as they effectively control the Fund, they seem able to spend it how they like.

Had they not had the Fund behind them, I suspect they would not have entered into the fray with Amaral
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on September 18, 2018, 04:11:19 PM
I think technically, it falls on their shoulders, but as they effectively control the Fund, they seem able to spend it how they like.

Had they not had the Fund behind them, I suspect they would not have entered into the fray with Amaral

I think you are almost certainly correct jassi and I suppose one of the articles for the fund is to give them financial support so it would make sense to them to use it for this purpose as well as initially suing Goncalo Amaral.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on September 18, 2018, 04:26:03 PM

Have we all forgotten about the money earned from Kate's Book?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 18, 2018, 04:48:41 PM
Have we all forgotten about the money earned from Kate's Book?

Reputed to have gone into the Fund, so no longer her's
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on September 18, 2018, 05:39:56 PM
Reputed to have gone into the Fund, so no longer her's

True.  But Kate earned it, so has some right to decide what will happen to it, if they have to pay Amaral.

Portuguese Law remains largely a mystery to me, although I now know more about it than I ever wanted to.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 18, 2018, 05:47:51 PM
I think you are almost certainly correct jassi and I suppose one of the articles for the fund is to give them financial support so it would make sense to them to use it for this purpose as well as initially suing Goncalo Amaral.

That clause was removed from the company's articles in December 2011.

It was the five members of the McCann family who sued Amaral et al. The three children's applications were unsuccessful; the judge of the first instance awarded damages only to the parents. All she awarded to the children was a share of the costs.

Any costs incurred after December 2011 are not legally the responsibility of Madeleine's Fund.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 18, 2018, 06:12:04 PM
True.  But Kate earned it, so has some right to decide what will happen to it, if they have to pay Amaral.

Portuguese Law remains largely a mystery to me, although I now know more about it than I ever wanted to.

I fancy you might be getting carried away by tabloid nonesense in that what they need to pay are legal expenses, not damages.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on September 18, 2018, 08:15:05 PM
That clause was removed from the company's articles in December 2011.

It was the five members of the McCann family who sued Amaral et al. The three children's applications were unsuccessful; the judge of the first instance awarded damages only to the parents. All she awarded to the children was a share of the costs.

Any costs incurred after December 2011 are not legally the responsibility of Madeleine's Fund.

No it is there. I thought it must be as I wasn't here in 2011.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on September 18, 2018, 09:07:27 PM
That clause was removed from the company's articles in December 2011.

It was the five members of the McCann family who sued Amaral et al. The three children's applications were unsuccessful; the judge of the first instance awarded damages only to the parents. All she awarded to the children was a share of the costs.

Any costs incurred after December 2011 are not legally the responsibility of Madeleine's Fund.

I would say it depends on the date the action was started...any action started before that date is the responsibility of the fund
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 18, 2018, 09:10:52 PM
No it is there. I thought it must be as I wasn't here in 2011.

Do you mean on the website? They never took it off, but the paperwork held by Companies House shows it no longer applies.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on September 18, 2018, 09:14:08 PM
I would say it depends on the date the action was started...any action started before that date is the responsibility of the fund

The Fund didn't sue Amaral, the McCanns did. If money is owed the courts will pursue them, not the Fund.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: slartibartfast on September 18, 2018, 10:21:29 PM
I would say it depends on the date the action was started...any action started before that date is the responsibility of the fund

If and to what extent they decided at the time that they would fund it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on September 18, 2018, 11:29:43 PM
I fancy you might be getting carried away by tabloid nonesense in that what they need to pay are legal expenses, not damages.

I see.  The Tabloids know, do they.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on September 26, 2018, 10:33:23 AM
Madeleine McCann probe police seek more cash
The Home Office is considering an application from Scotland Yard for extra funding to continue the hunt for the missing girl.

September 26 2018

 
Scotland Yard bosses have applied for more funding to continue the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

There was speculation over the future of the investigation when it emerged that funding would run out at the end of September.

But the Home Office has now confirmed that it is considering an application from the force for more cash.

In a blog published on Wednesday, it said: “We have received and are considering a request from the Metropolitan Police Service to extend funding for Operation Grange until the end of March 2019.

“The Home Office maintains an ongoing dialogue with the MPS regarding funding for Operation Grange.”

Madeleine was three when she was last seen on holiday with her parents in Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007.

Scotland Yard launched its own investigation, Operation Grange, into her disappearance in 2013 after a Portuguese inquiry failed to make any headway.

UK detectives were granted an extra £150,000 in March to continue the probe, to cover until the end of September.

Operation Grange has cost £11.6 million so far.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-probe-police-seek-more-cash-37356286.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on September 26, 2018, 01:21:38 PM
Madeleine McCann probe police seek more cash
The Home Office is considering an application from Scotland Yard for extra funding to continue the hunt for the missing girl.

September 26 2018

 
Scotland Yard bosses have applied for more funding to continue the hunt for Madeleine McCann.

There was speculation over the future of the investigation when it emerged that funding would run out at the end of September.

But the Home Office has now confirmed that it is considering an application from the force for more cash.

In a blog published on Wednesday, it said: “We have received and are considering a request from the Metropolitan Police Service to extend funding for Operation Grange until the end of March 2019.

“The Home Office maintains an ongoing dialogue with the MPS regarding funding for Operation Grange.”

Madeleine was three when she was last seen on holiday with her parents in Praia da Luz in Portugal in May 2007.

Scotland Yard launched its own investigation, Operation Grange, into her disappearance in 2013 after a Portuguese inquiry failed to make any headway.

UK detectives were granted an extra £150,000 in March to continue the probe, to cover until the end of September.

Operation Grange has cost £11.6 million so far.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/uk/madeleine-mccann-probe-police-seek-more-cash-37356286.html

Thank you Brietta.   *&(+(+
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on September 28, 2018, 01:34:58 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7367714/madeleine-mccann-missing-case-must-be-solved-met-police-detective/

"WE NEED TO CATCH THEM' Madeleine McCann case must be solved to stop it happening again, ex Met detective tells Good Morning Britain"

really!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 28, 2018, 01:41:23 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7367714/madeleine-mccann-missing-case-must-be-solved-met-police-detective/

"WE NEED TO CATCH THEM' Madeleine McCann case must be solved to stop it happening again, ex Met detective tells Good Morning Britain"

really!

Have you seen the comments?  Not very supportive of the article or the McCanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on September 28, 2018, 03:39:26 PM
Have you seen the comments?  Not very supportive of the article or the McCanns.

The usual semi-literate and ignorant posts.
Quite depressing to see such poor spelling and grammar.
No doubt penned by the usual authors who rush to post their spite.
Some of them are unintentionally hilarious!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 28, 2018, 03:54:05 PM
The usual semi-literate and ignorant posts.
Quite depressing to see such poor spelling and grammar.
No doubt penned by the usual authors who rush to post their spite.
Some of them are unintentionally hilarious!

I note your sneering put down of the illiterates but it doesn't alter the message in the comments
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on September 28, 2018, 04:00:10 PM
I note your sneering put down of the illiterates but it doesn't alter the message in the comments

And the "message" is aimed at whom?
Do these folk believe they are achieving anything by submitting these posts or do they just have the desire to repeat endlessly the same tripe each and every time there is an opportunity?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on September 28, 2018, 04:03:05 PM
And the "message" is aimed at whom?
Do these folk believe they are achieving anything by submitting these posts or do they just have the desire to repeat endlessly the same tripe each and every time there is an opportunity?

In my experience, Supporters don't bother to comment on these articles anymore.  I know I don't, because it's pointless.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 28, 2018, 04:06:08 PM
And the "message" is aimed at whom?
Do these folk believe they are achieving anything by submitting these posts or do they just have the desire to repeat endlessly the same tripe each and every time there is an opportunity?

I don't know, perhaps they want to annoy the supporters.
Judging by your response, they might just have done that  8(0(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on September 28, 2018, 05:46:44 PM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/7367714/madeleine-mccann-missing-case-must-be-solved-met-police-detective/

"WE NEED TO CATCH THEM' Madeleine McCann case must be solved to stop it happening again, ex Met detective tells Good Morning Britain"

really!

So as long as the investigation is continuing whoever needs catching won't strike again until they are either caught or the investigation closes,really?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on September 28, 2018, 06:08:25 PM
I firmly believe that this was a one off event and will not repeated irrespective of whether anyone is brought to book for it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on September 28, 2018, 06:26:16 PM
I don't know, perhaps they want to annoy the supporters.
Judging by your response, they might just have done that  8(0(*


I wouldn't say I was annoyed, rather more bemused at
why they bother.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 13, 2018, 05:16:14 PM
More funding....
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 13, 2018, 05:34:42 PM
https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-search-home-office-to-provide-extra-150k-for-investigation-11553455
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 13, 2018, 07:05:58 PM
Oh dear, terrible news for those who believed the Met were all done and dusted and ready to pounce on their chief suspects, the parents.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 13, 2018, 07:13:27 PM
Oh dear, terrible news for those who believed the Met were all done and dusted and ready to pounce on their chief suspects, the parents.

They could well be ready to pounce on someone.  But it won't be The McCanns
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2018, 08:00:32 PM
Not sure how reliable this is,

https://www.flash.pt/atualidade/detalhe/policia-inglesa-ja-sabe-o-que-aconteceu-a-pequena-maddie-e-vai-revelar-tudo-em-breve
Notícia
BOMBÁSTICO

Polícia inglesa já sabe o que aconteceu à pequena Maddie e vai revelar tudo em breve

Os agentes da 'Operação Grange', que investigam o caso Maddie, estiveram em Portugal em segredo em 2017 e dizem ter descoberto o que aconteceu à menina.

Por João Bénard Garcia | 16 de novembro de 2018 às 13:52

A polícia inglesa conseguiu mais um financiamento estatal de 172 mil euros para seguir pistas altamente confidenciais que garante ter sobre o desaparecimento de Madeleine McCann, a menina de 4 anos que desapareceu em maio de 2007 na praia da Luz, no Algarve.

Os investigadores acreditam que agora é que vão desvendar o mistério do desaparecimento de Maddie depois de terem realizado, em 2017, várias visitas mantidas em segredo a Portugal. Os agentes britânicos que têm nas mãos a documentação da 'Operação Grange' (todo o processo do desaparecimento de Maddie) acreditam estar perto de resolver o mistério, em especial depois de terem analisado as cerca de 40 mil folhas de documentação arquivada pela polícia portuguesa.

Este novo pedido de dinheiro para a investigação que, em 11 anos, já custou cerca de 13 milhões de euros, ou seja, mais de um milhão de euros por ano, foi "cuidadosamente considerado", segundo avançou então fonte do Ministério do Interior britânico e, pelos vistos, foi autorizado e concedido. Têm até março de 2019 para concluir com sucesso a investigação.

Os pais de Maddie, Katie e Gerry McCann, sempre defenderam que a filha está viva. A ser verdade, a rapariga inglesa terá agora 15 anos de idade.

A estranha contratação do porta-voz do governo inglês

O processo de desaparecimento de Maddie esteve sempre envolto num imenso sigilo e ganhou contornos de assunto de estado, nomeadamente quando o casal McCann contratou Clarence Mitchell, o porta-voz do então primeiro-ministro britânico Gordon Brown. Além de Clarence Mitchell ter conseguido afastar o inspetor-chefe Olegário Sousa de ser o rosto das informações oficiais, ele terá ajudado o casal McCann a ocultar informações da investigação e a atenuar a "relação turbulenta" entre Kate e Gerry McCann e as autoridades policiais portuguesas e do Reino Unido, sempre devido a desconfianças e fugas de informaç

Translates to.

News
BOMBASTIC

English police already knows what happened to little Maddie and will reveal everything soon.

The Operation Grange officers investigating the Maddie case were in Portugal in secrecy in 2017 and say they have discovered what happened to the girl.

By João Bénard Garcia | November 16, 2018 at 13:52

The English police was able to get another state funding of 172,000 euros to follow highly confidential clues they guarantee to have about the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, the 4-year-old girl who disappeared in May 2007 in Praia da Luz, in the Algarve.

The investigators believe that now is when they are going to unravel the mystery of Maddie's disappearance after having made, in 2017, several visits kept in secret to Portugal. The British agents who have in their hands the documentation of 'Operation Grange' (the whole process of Maddie's disappearance) believe they are close to solving the mystery, especially after analysing the about 40,000 pages of documentation archived by the Portuguese police.

This new request for money request for the investigation, which, in 11 years, has already cost about 13 million euros, or more than 1 million euros per year, was "carefully considered", according to what a source of the British Home Office advanced and, it seems, was authorized and granted. They have until March 2019 to complete successfully the investigation.

Maddie's parents, Katie and Gerry McCann, have always defended that the daughter is alive. If it’s true, the English girl is now 15 years old.


The strange hiring of the spokesman of the English government

The process of Maddie's disappearance process was always shrouded in immense secrecy and gained the status of state-affair, namely when the McCanns hired Clarence Mitchell, the spokesman of then British Prime Minister Gordon Brown. Besides Clarence Mitchell having managed to oust Chief Inspector Olegario Sousa from being the face of the official information, he supposedly has helped the McCann hide information from the investigation and to mitigate the "turbulent relationship" between Kate and Gerry McCann and the Portuguese and the UK police authorities, always due to mistrust and information leaks.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 16, 2018, 08:19:45 PM
It’s in a Portugese rag with no named sources or quotes of any kind.  I wouldn’t get too excited if I were you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 16, 2018, 08:37:53 PM
It’s in a Portugese rag with no named sources or quotes of any kind.  I wouldn’t get too excited if I were you.


I can assure you nothing about the case brings excitement,its a way of passing time.
But as to the no named source much like the brit rags.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 16, 2018, 10:46:13 PM

I can assure you nothing about the case brings excitement,its a way of passing time.
But as to the no named source much like the brit rags.
If Madeleine were found alive or the McCanns arrested I’m sure that would raise more than a flicker of excitement...
Why the need to defend all things Portuguese by referencing shit British versions?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 17, 2018, 11:27:28 PM
I know its the weekend so can we please avoid the usual conflicts.  Posts should be constructive but above all amiable. TY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2018, 10:10:26 AM
If Madeleine were found alive or the McCanns arrested I’m sure that would raise more than a flicker of excitement...
Why the need to defend all things Portuguese by referencing shit British versions?

Nope still won't do it,now to still watch Sir Robert Of Charlton running in and smashing the ball past a goalkeeper and the keeper still looking for it some 50+ yrs later is another matter.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on November 18, 2018, 02:07:13 PM
Fresh hope for Kate and Gerry McCann as they meet with Scotland Yard detectives to discuss two vital new leads in the search for daughter Madeleine
The Operation Grange team told the parents in a meeting they had two leads
Kate and Gerry are 'greatly encouraged' that Scotland Yard could be closing in
The Home Office said it would grant £150,000 to keep the investigation going

By TRACEY KANDOHLA AND JAMES MURRAY FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 12:12, 18 November 2018 | UPDATED: 12:12, 18 November 2018

Police have told the parents of Madeleine McCann that they are 'hopeful' for a result as they pursue two vital new leads. 

The Operation Grange team, who had been thought to be focusing on just one, told Kate and Gerry during a meeting thought to be at their Leicestershire home, that they had 'two specific and active' lines of inquiry.

Kate and Gerry, both 50, are 'greatly encouraged' that Scotland Yard could finally be closing in on Maddie's kidnapper after eleven-and-a-half years.

The Home Office last week announced it would grant an extra £150,000 to Operation Grange to keep the investigation going until spring next year. So far they have handed out £11.75 million of taxpayers' money for the high-profile search.

A Whitehall source said: 'Metropolitan Police officers had a sit-down meeting with Madeleine's parents to tell them exactly where they were with their inquiries.

'They informed them they had two specific and active leads that still needed to be chased and that although the investigation was taking longer than they initially thought officers said they were confident and hopeful they could get a result.'

Police refuse to make public any clues about the suspects they are determined to track down for fear of them going to ground.

Three-year-old Maddie vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal's Praia da Luz in May 2007. She had been left alone sleeping with her younger twin siblings while her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

Previously police confirmed they believed the blonde child was snatched by a paedophile gang who may have smuggled her over the border or grabbed during a botched burglary at the holiday complex.

They have also been keen to identify a woman in purple seen hanging around the holiday flat.

A senior Government source added: 'Police seeking special grant funding have needed to justify exactly what the money would be spent on, who they are chasing and why.

'They have had to outline their intended work in full detail and careful consideration has been given but we cannot divulge any aspects of that while there is an ongoing operation.'

Police advised the McCann's there was still 'important work left to be done' as they requested extra funding, allaying the family's fears that the London force's seven-and-a-half year investigation could be shelved.

Kate and Gerry, who have 13-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, cling onto a glimmer of hope that Maddie, who would now be 15, could still be alive after all this time.

The McCann's spokesperson Clarence Mitchell said the couple were 'incredibly grateful' and 'greatly encouraged' for the approved extra funding amid stringent Government and police cutbacks.

He said: 'They are greatly encouraged that the Met Police still believe there is work left to be done in the search for their daughter and they remain incredibly grateful to the Home Office for providing an extra budget for the investigation.

'It is a boost the while family and gives them renewed hope that one day they may finally find out what happened to Madeleine.'

Mr Mitchell added: 'Kate and Gerry appreciate everything the authorities have done and are doing to get a resolution after all this time. Beyond this they cannot comment on the ongoing operation.'

The extra cash - which has been slammed by a mother of another missing girl and outspoken TV and media personality Janet Street-Porter - will enable Grange to keep going until the end of March next year.

The Yard had applied for renewed funding in September but the Home Office only confirmed last Tuesday that it had been approved, as revealed by MailOnline.

Maddie's parents, however, had been told weeks ago by police that they expected the grant to be made.

A spokesperson said: 'We have confirmed that Special Grant funding of £150,000 will be provided to the Metropolitan Police Service for the six-month period to 31 March 2019. This is an ongoing police investigation.'

The British inquiry, launched in May 2011 after an initial bungled Portuguese investigation and the McCann's own funded private eye searches, is spearheaded by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall.

A force spokesperson said: 'We still have important work to do and focused lines of investigation to be pursued.

'The inquiry has not reached a conclusion and we're continuing with focus and determination. There are no immediate plans to reduce officer numbers further at this time.'

Ex-police chiefs and some members of public have slammed the Maddie inquiry as a waste of public money and officers' time.

This week Karen Downs, whose 14-year-old daughter Charlene vanished from Blackpool, Lancashire, in November 2003, hit out at the 'preferential' treatment given to the McCanns, saying other missing kids were 'simply being forgotten.'

Controversial Loose Women star Janet Street-Porter also slammed the fresh funding for the 'fruitless search for Maddie' in a MailOnline article, asking: 'Isn't it time we prioritised the children who are dying here and now today?'

She said: 'The McCanns have consistently used emotional blackmail to ensure the government continues to fund a hopeless investigation at the expense of others. The next generation of young people need all their attention now.

'Why does the search for Madeleine attract more resources than investigating the thousands of other children and teenagers who have gone missing in the UK in the last decade?'

Maddie's parents have posted a simple but poignant message of hope as police pledge to find out what happened to their daughter.

The Find Maddie Campaign website, run by a family friend but endorsed by Kate and Gerry, has updated its cover photo.

The word 'Hope' written in yellow to symbolise the Portuguese colour of strength and solidarity against a vibrant background, is accompanied by a brief note to supporters: 'We just want to thank you continuing to be by our side and keeping Madeleine in your heart.'

Well wisher Jean Payne responded: 'Madeleine will always be remembered, and hope that one day you'll all receive the good news that you've waited so long to hear.'

Mary Ann Baldie added: 'Always thinking of her and her family not just her parents but grandparents, aunties, it must be hell on earth for them all.'

Micki Barnes posted: 'Someone knows about Madeleine. It's just a matter of time. OG must be getting nearer.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6402835/Fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry-McCann-police-pursue-two-leads.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Mr Gray on November 18, 2018, 02:17:58 PM
So grange have had to justify the request for extra funds ...still have laeds to investigate and beleive tehy will find out what happened to Maddie...excelellent
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2018, 02:33:17 PM
So grange have had to justify the request for extra funds ...still have laeds to investigate and beleive tehy will find out what happened to Maddie...excelellent

It’s in a Portugese rag with no named sources or quotes of any kind.  I wouldn’t get too excited if I were you.

Only  this time it's the brit rags.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 18, 2018, 03:44:29 PM
Fresh hope for Kate and Gerry McCann as they meet with Scotland Yard detectives to discuss two vital new leads in the search for daughter Madeleine
The Operation Grange team told the parents in a meeting they had two leads
Kate and Gerry are 'greatly encouraged' that Scotland Yard could be closing in
The Home Office said it would grant £150,000 to keep the investigation going

By TRACEY KANDOHLA AND JAMES MURRAY FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 12:12, 18 November 2018 | UPDATED: 12:12, 18 November 2018

Police have told the parents of Madeleine McCann that they are 'hopeful' for a result as they pursue two vital new leads. 

The Operation Grange team, who had been thought to be focusing on just one, told Kate and Gerry during a meeting thought to be at their Leicestershire home, that they had 'two specific and active' lines of inquiry.

Kate and Gerry, both 50, are 'greatly encouraged' that Scotland Yard could finally be closing in on Maddie's kidnapper after eleven-and-a-half years.

The Home Office last week announced it would grant an extra £150,000 to Operation Grange to keep the investigation going until spring next year. So far they have handed out £11.75 million of taxpayers' money for the high-profile search.

A Whitehall source said: 'Metropolitan Police officers had a sit-down meeting with Madeleine's parents to tell them exactly where they were with their inquiries.

'They informed them they had two specific and active leads that still needed to be chased and that although the investigation was taking longer than they initially thought officers said they were confident and hopeful they could get a result.'

Police refuse to make public any clues about the suspects they are determined to track down for fear of them going to ground.

Three-year-old Maddie vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal's Praia da Luz in May 2007. She had been left alone sleeping with her younger twin siblings while her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with friends.

Previously police confirmed they believed the blonde child was snatched by a paedophile gang who may have smuggled her over the border or grabbed during a botched burglary at the holiday complex.

They have also been keen to identify a woman in purple seen hanging around the holiday flat.

A senior Government source added: 'Police seeking special grant funding have needed to justify exactly what the money would be spent on, who they are chasing and why.

'They have had to outline their intended work in full detail and careful consideration has been given but we cannot divulge any aspects of that while there is an ongoing operation.'

Police advised the McCann's there was still 'important work left to be done' as they requested extra funding, allaying the family's fears that the London force's seven-and-a-half year investigation could be shelved.

Kate and Gerry, who have 13-year-old twins Sean and Amelie, cling onto a glimmer of hope that Maddie, who would now be 15, could still be alive after all this time.

The McCann's spokesperson Clarence Mitchell said the couple were 'incredibly grateful' and 'greatly encouraged' for the approved extra funding amid stringent Government and police cutbacks.

He said: 'They are greatly encouraged that the Met Police still believe there is work left to be done in the search for their daughter and they remain incredibly grateful to the Home Office for providing an extra budget for the investigation.

'It is a boost the while family and gives them renewed hope that one day they may finally find out what happened to Madeleine.'

Mr Mitchell added: 'Kate and Gerry appreciate everything the authorities have done and are doing to get a resolution after all this time. Beyond this they cannot comment on the ongoing operation.'

The extra cash - which has been slammed by a mother of another missing girl and outspoken TV and media personality Janet Street-Porter - will enable Grange to keep going until the end of March next year.

The Yard had applied for renewed funding in September but the Home Office only confirmed last Tuesday that it had been approved, as revealed by MailOnline.

Maddie's parents, however, had been told weeks ago by police that they expected the grant to be made.

A spokesperson said: 'We have confirmed that Special Grant funding of £150,000 will be provided to the Metropolitan Police Service for the six-month period to 31 March 2019. This is an ongoing police investigation.'

The British inquiry, launched in May 2011 after an initial bungled Portuguese investigation and the McCann's own funded private eye searches, is spearheaded by Detective Chief Inspector Nicola Wall.

A force spokesperson said: 'We still have important work to do and focused lines of investigation to be pursued.

'The inquiry has not reached a conclusion and we're continuing with focus and determination. There are no immediate plans to reduce officer numbers further at this time.'

Ex-police chiefs and some members of public have slammed the Maddie inquiry as a waste of public money and officers' time.

This week Karen Downs, whose 14-year-old daughter Charlene vanished from Blackpool, Lancashire, in November 2003, hit out at the 'preferential' treatment given to the McCanns, saying other missing kids were 'simply being forgotten.'

Controversial Loose Women star Janet Street-Porter also slammed the fresh funding for the 'fruitless search for Maddie' in a MailOnline article, asking: 'Isn't it time we prioritised the children who are dying here and now today?'

She said: 'The McCanns have consistently used emotional blackmail to ensure the government continues to fund a hopeless investigation at the expense of others. The next generation of young people need all their attention now.

'Why does the search for Madeleine attract more resources than investigating the thousands of other children and teenagers who have gone missing in the UK in the last decade?'

Maddie's parents have posted a simple but poignant message of hope as police pledge to find out what happened to their daughter.

The Find Maddie Campaign website, run by a family friend but endorsed by Kate and Gerry, has updated its cover photo.

The word 'Hope' written in yellow to symbolise the Portuguese colour of strength and solidarity against a vibrant background, is accompanied by a brief note to supporters: 'We just want to thank you continuing to be by our side and keeping Madeleine in your heart.'

Well wisher Jean Payne responded: 'Madeleine will always be remembered, and hope that one day you'll all receive the good news that you've waited so long to hear.'

Mary Ann Baldie added: 'Always thinking of her and her family not just her parents but grandparents, aunties, it must be hell on earth for them all.'

Micki Barnes posted: 'Someone knows about Madeleine. It's just a matter of time. OG must be getting nearer.'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6402835/Fresh-hope-Kate-Gerry-McCann-police-pursue-two-leads.html


An article by the usual suspects.

They seem a tad mixed up though :


‘Police have told the parents of Madeleine McCann that they are 'hopeful' for a result as they pursue two vital new leads. 

The Operation Grange team, who had been thought to be focusing on just one ‘

So is it one or two and is this the same ‘vital’ lead we heard about over two years ago ?

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2018, 03:54:03 PM
How can two new leads both be vital? At least one will lead absolutely nowhere.
Also suggests that OG still have no idea. IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 18, 2018, 04:13:41 PM
How can two new leads both be vital? At least one will lead absolutely nowhere.
Also suggests that OG still have no idea. IMO

Could be two Abductors living in different places
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 18, 2018, 04:17:01 PM
Yeah, right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 18, 2018, 04:54:53 PM
Yeah, right.

Or wrong.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2018, 09:14:10 PM
How can two new leads both be vital? At least one will lead absolutely nowhere.
Also suggests that OG still have no idea. IMO

Just the latest Kandohla crap aimed at justifying spending more public money while keeping some of the public onside. It's a historic fact that not a single lead pursued by SY has ever resulted in anything more than redtop headlines.  If there were such leads the newspapers would be the last to be told.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2018, 09:19:13 PM
Could be two Abductors living in different places

The abductor myth again..   @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 18, 2018, 09:56:39 PM
The abductor myth again..   @)(++(*
What do you think happened to Madeleine after she woke and wandered then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on November 18, 2018, 10:31:33 PM
What do you think happened to Madeleine after she woke and wandered then?

Run over and killed?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on November 18, 2018, 11:26:25 PM
Run over and killed?

On which street & why was the window + shutter open?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 19, 2018, 06:42:41 AM
Run over and killed?
And body removed by whom?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on November 19, 2018, 08:59:29 AM
Just the latest Kandohla crap aimed at justifying spending more public money while keeping some of the public onside. It's a historic fact that not a single lead pursued by SY has ever resulted in anything more than redtop headlines.  If there were such leads the newspapers would be the last to be told.


Does your post imply that she has invented all of this story ?
The police have not been to the McCann family home?
They have not told Madeleine's parents that they are following two leads?
Is all of this a fabrication or do you believe any of this to be true?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: faithlilly on November 19, 2018, 01:15:23 PM

Does your post imply that she has invented all of this story ?
The police have not been to the McCann family home?
They have not told Madeleine's parents that they are following two leads?
Is all of this a fabrication or do you believe any of this to be true?

IMO the story was fed to the journalists by the usual suspects and I believe most of it is true. It’s the spin that isn’t.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on November 19, 2018, 04:06:09 PM
IMO the story was fed to the journalists by the usual suspects and I believe most of it is true. It’s the spin that isn’t.

As long as it is true that Madeleine's family are being kept up to date and that indeed progress is being made, then is really all that matters. IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2018, 04:14:33 PM
As long as it is true that Madeleine's family are being kept up to date and that indeed progress is being made, then is really all that matters. IMO

Ah, but what if those are the very bits that aren't true? Where would that leave you ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2018, 04:22:54 PM
Ah, but what if those are the very bits that aren't true? Where would that leave you ?

It will leave me pleased that The McCanns can still depend on Operation Grange.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on November 19, 2018, 04:23:37 PM
Ah, but what if those are the very bits that aren't true? Where would that leave you ?

Wouldn't leave me anywhere!
Do you believe the paper is printing an untrue artcle, namely that there are no leads and also that they didn't tell the McCanns that they are following two leads?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2018, 04:33:02 PM
Wouldn't leave me anywhere!
Do you believe the paper is printing an untrue artcle, namely that there are no leads and also that they didn't tell the McCanns that they are following two leads?
I have no more idea if the article is true than you do.
Neither do I really care.
What will be will be, irrespective of what the papers say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2018, 04:45:25 PM
I have no more idea if the article is true than you do.
Neither do I really care.
What will be will be, irrespective of what the papers say.

We aren't denying that Operation Grange got more money, are we?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2018, 04:54:25 PM
We aren't denying that Operation Grange got more money, are we?

I can only go by what I read in the papers. I have no way of evaluating what they say.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2018, 05:05:20 PM
I can only go by what I read in the papers. I have no way of evaluating what they say.

This latest dollop of money does appear to have created a small measure of chagrin in certain quarters.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2018, 05:09:40 PM
This latest dollop of money does appear to have created a small measure of chagrin in certain quarters.

You have evidence of this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2018, 05:12:41 PM
You have evidence of this?

Do you really need to ask this?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2018, 05:17:08 PM
Do you really need to ask this?

You're the one that brought it up, not me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 19, 2018, 05:30:01 PM
You're the one that brought it up, not me.

Are you saying it hasn't?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 19, 2018, 05:59:29 PM
Are you saying it hasn't?

How would I really know?
I've only seen comments in the likes of the Mail and they are not necessarily reliable
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 19, 2018, 10:02:34 PM
IMO the story was fed to the journalists by the usual suspects and I believe most of it is true. It’s the spin that isn’t.
How do you decide which bit is spin and which is not?  Wouldn’t it be more honest to say you believe the bits you want to believe and disbelieve the bits that don’t fit with the narrative in your head?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on November 20, 2018, 09:25:10 AM
How do you decide which bit is spin and which is not?  Wouldn’t it be more honest to say you believe the bits you want to believe and disbelieve the bits that don’t fit with the narrative in your head?

Indeed.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2018, 09:32:51 AM
How do you decide which bit is spin and which is not?  Wouldn’t it be more honest to say you believe the bits you want to believe and disbelieve the bits that don’t fit with the narrative in your head?

I guess that applies to everyone.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on November 20, 2018, 04:12:54 PM
More from Dave Edgar via Tracy Kandohla.  Maddie could be alive and hidden in a lair.


 An investigator says Madeleine McCann could still be alive and being held against her will in Portugal
PA:PRESS ASSOCIATION
 
An investigator says Madeleine McCann could still be alive and being held against her will in Portugal
He believes she is being kept against her will under a false identity and could even still be in Portugal - where she vanished as a three-year-old in May 2007 - or in neighbouring Spain.

The retired Detective Inspector spoke out today after the Home Office announced last week it had granted an extra £150,000 to Scotland Yard to continue searching for the world’s most high profile missing child.

Met Police are chasing up two vital lines of inquiry and have told Maddie’s parents Kate and Gerry they are “hopeful of getting a result.”

Mr Edgar, who passed all his findings to the Operation Grange team when they took over the search in May 2011, said officers could be chasing up two old or new leads.

 Retired inspector David Edgar believes the tot was snatched by a sex gang back in May 2007DARREN FLETCHER
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Retired inspector David Edgar believes the tot was snatched by a sex gang back in May 2007
He believes they could be following up his theory - which the McCann’s feel is most probable - about a paedophile kidnap which he “never got to the bottom of.”

He explained: “Not for want of trying but as a private investigator I was faced with certain restrictions and stumbling blocks unlike the official authorities.”

Mr Edgar, 61, who was previously employed by Maddie’s parents for three years, told Sun Online that police may have had a recent tip off from someone known to the kidnappers - providing them with a second new lead.

He said: “I’ve always thought that whoever is responsible will have confided in someone else. They usually do and it is very rare that they don’t even if it takes years.

 Edgar believes the tot was snatched by a sex gang from the villa in Pria de Luz, Portugal 11 years ago
 
Edgar believes the tot was snatched by a sex gang from the villa in Pria de Luz, Portugal 11 years ago
“Now we’re approaching the 12th year, that’s a significant time but I think she could still be alive and someone is protecting her captors. Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward, may be they have and officers are waiting for a confession. It happens."

Mr Edgar added: “She could literally be anywhere in the world but my hunch is that she is in Portugal. The chance that she may have been smuggled out of the country without being detected is highly unlikely.

"There is someone in Portugal with an open knowledge of where she is and what happened.Someone knows what happened and it’s time they came forward - maybe they already have.”

“Unless a body is found there is hope. Everyone hopes for a positive outcome and Kate and Gerry will never give up, even when the funding runs out. I hope they get an answer they’ve been waiting for so long.”

 Maddie would be 15 years old if she were still alive today

Mr Edgar believes Maddie - who if alive would now be aged 15 - could be living with her captor in a hideaway home or underground den inland from the popular seaside towns on the Algarve from where she was snatched.

He likened her case to that of kidnapped sex slave Jaycee Lee Dugard who “came back from the dead.”

The 11-year-old schoolgirl was abducted from a street in Tahoe, California, in June 1991, on her way to school and was kept imprisoned for 18 years. She was found alive in August 2009.

Mr Edgar said: "There is every possibility that Madeleine is still alive and could be being hidden somewhere and having no idea even who she is and that she is at the centre of a worldwide hunt for her. He said the vast wilderness where he believes the teenager could be languishing may be almost impossible to search completely.

 Kate and Gerry McCann are 'greatly encouraged' that cops could finally be closing in on their daughter’s kidnapper.GETTY - CONTRIBUTOR
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Kate and Gerry McCann are 'greatly encouraged' that cops could finally be closing in on their daughter’s kidnapper.
He explained: “This rural, sprawling terrain makes it extremely difficult to search. You could quite easily keep a child there for years and no-one else would know. She could be hidden away in a cellar or dungeon in the lawless villages around the resort she went missing from. The key thing is no body has been found. When paedophiles kill they often dump the body nearby and this doesn’t appear to be the case here. Even the ocean often gives up his victims.”

Maddie vanished from a holiday apartment in Portugal’s Praia da Luz eleven and a half years ago just days before her fourth birthday. She had been left alone sleeping with her younger twin siblings while her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with pals.

 The Home Office last week announced it would grant an extra £150,000 to Operation Grange to keep the investigation going until spring next yearEPA
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The Home Office last week announced it would grant an extra £150,000 to Operation Grange to keep the investigation going until spring next year
Police recently told her parents: “We’re hopeful we can get a result.” Op Grange team, who had been thought to be focusing on just one, told Kate and Gerry during a meeting they had “two specific and active” lines of inquiry.

The McCanns are “greatly encouraged” that cops could finally be closing in on their daughter’s kidnapper.

 British police and their Portuguese counterparts investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann searching a patch of scrubland just outside the town of Praia da Luz in 2014PA:PRESS ASSOCIATION
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British police and their Portuguese counterparts investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann searching a patch of scrubland just outside the town of Praia da Luz in 2014
The Home Office last week announced it would grant an extra £150,000 to Operation Grange to keep the investigation going until spring next year. So far they have handed out £11.75 million of taxpayers’ money for the high-profile search.

A Whitehall source said: ”Metropolitan Police officers had a sit-down meeting with Madeleine’s parents to tell them exactly where they were with their inquiries. They informed them they had two specific and active leads that still needed to be chased and that although the investigation was taking longer than they initially thought officers said they were confident and hopeful they could get a result.”

 Maddie's disappearance has baffled the world for more than a decadePA:PRESS ASSOCIATION
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Maddie's disappearance has baffled the world for more than a decade
It is understood detectives met Kate, a former GP, and eminent cardiologist Gerry, both 50, at their home in Rothley, Leics, last month.

Police refuse to make public any clues about the suspects they are determined to track down for fear of them going to ground.

Home Office 'to give Scotland Yard another £154,000 to fund Madeleine McCann search'
Mr Edgar said the new funding was “totally justified.” He said: “It’s a very delicate case but officers would not have requested extra funding if they didn’t need it. Whether they’ll crack it, it’s impossible to say but everyone hopes there is a positive outcome.

“I think there will be a resolution, it will be something simple like someone talking - a confession is the best hope of a breakthrough.”

A Scotland Yard spokesperson refused to discuss the two leads they are actively chasing, saying: “We cannot give a running commentary while there is an ongoing investigation."

 The apartment block in Luz in the Algarve, Portugal, where Madeleine McCann went missing 11 years agoPA:PRESS ASSOCIATION
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The apartment block in Luz in the Algarve, Portugal, where Madeleine McCann went missing 11 years ago
Mr Edgar, who has had more than 30 years experience with Cheshire Police and the Royal Ulster Constabulary, stopped working for theMcCanns when the Met Police came on board in May 2011 on orders of then Prime Minister David Cameron.

He added: “I firmly believe this case will be solved eventually - it is not beyond the realms of possibility.”

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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on November 20, 2018, 04:30:42 PM
And this is news?
I thought he was saying the same years ago.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2018, 05:10:01 PM
And this is news?
I thought he was saying the same years ago.

Edgar has always thought this.  I don't agree.  I much prefer the Loving Family scenario.

Call me stupid.  I don't care.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Sunny on November 20, 2018, 06:22:23 PM
Edgar has always thought this.  I don't agree.  I much prefer the Loving Family scenario.

Call me stupid.  I don't care.

I think Jassi's point was that it wasn't news. I agree with them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on November 20, 2018, 06:36:38 PM
And this is news?
I thought he was saying the same years ago.
At least he’s consistent.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2018, 06:42:48 PM
At least he’s consistent.

Precisely.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on November 20, 2018, 07:03:36 PM
Edgar has always thought this.  I don't agree.  I much prefer the Loving Family scenario.

Call me stupid.  I don't care.

Count me equally as stupid.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 20, 2018, 07:05:38 PM
Count me equally as stupid.

Thank goodness I am not alone.  I usually am.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 20, 2018, 08:40:03 PM
Edgar has always thought this.  I don't agree.  I much prefer the Loving Family scenario.

Call me stupid.  I don't care.


Well he was paid to find out you weren't,so his opinion must count for something.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on November 21, 2018, 03:32:53 AM

Well he was paid to find out you weren't,so his opinion must count for something.

At least we agree that Madeleine was abducted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on November 21, 2018, 06:50:20 AM
At least we agree that Madeleine was abducted.
Doesn't mean to say it's right though.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on November 23, 2018, 11:34:01 PM
The weekend beckons once again and with it will come the usual silliness. However, members are warned that referring to other members as naive, immature, hypocritical, stupid etc is a breach of forum etiquette and as such will attract sanctions.

Please keep posts amiable and constructive and above all please avoid goading or demeaning comments. TY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on January 10, 2019, 03:51:57 AM
"MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED"

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/filing-history?fbclid=IwAR38wIqOkSE1ft2KPEhRkXcNKrkAX5oMRaD2rGu7hKbCmYF79dPe3DCkb9s
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 10, 2019, 10:58:45 PM
"MADELEINE'S FUND: LEAVING NO STONE UNTURNED LIMITED"

https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/06248215/filing-history?fbclid=IwAR38wIqOkSE1ft2KPEhRkXcNKrkAX5oMRaD2rGu7hKbCmYF79dPe3DCkb9s
I’m amazed that Kate’s book is still generating a decent income for the fund - nearly £85k donated last year.  Just goes to show the continued level of interest in the McCanns and Kate’s account of the disappearance.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on January 10, 2019, 11:50:15 PM
I’m amazed that Kate’s book is still generating a decent income for the fund - nearly £85k donated last year.  Just goes to show the continued level of interest in the McCanns and Kate’s account of the disappearance.

The royalties go to Kate McCann so how much is she keeping back for personal use before donating to the Fund?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on January 11, 2019, 09:52:25 AM
I’m amazed that Kate’s book is still generating a decent income for the fund - nearly £85k donated last year.  Just goes to show the continued level of interest in the McCanns and Kate’s account of the disappearance.

You could have been amazed earlier had you read the previous years accounts which mentioned this donation being made post that year-end.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on January 11, 2019, 03:49:04 PM
Any one know what legal battle with Mr Amaral the McCann's are claimed to be involved in?


Quote
MADELEINE McCann's parents are storing £100,000 in a special account to help them fight a legal battle against a Portuguese ex-cop, it's been claimed.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8169212/madeleine-mccann-parents-storing-100k-cash-account/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 11, 2019, 04:03:39 PM
Any one know what legal battle with Mr Amaral the McCann's are claimed to be involved in?



https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8169212/madeleine-mccann-parents-storing-100k-cash-account/

Not clear from the article who it is doing the claiming, but I suppose it will be that helpful 'source close to the family', or that 'family pal' spreading their disinformation yet again.

Further down the page there is a picture of Mitchell and a quote from him that only two or three people know what happened to Madeleine.
I wonder who he has in mind to be so specific ?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on January 11, 2019, 04:18:41 PM
Not clear from the article who it is doing the claiming, but I suppose it will be that helpful 'source close to the family', or that 'family pal' spreading their disinformation yet again.

Further down the page there is a picture of Mitchell and a quote from him that only two or three people know what happened to Madeleine.
I wonder who he has in mind to be so specific ?


He (Mitchell further added)
Quote
“Having more than £3/4million sitting in fund sounds like a lot of money but Kate and Gerry worry that one day it could be swallowed up in legal fees and a potential libel payout to former Portuguese police officer Mr Amaral.


So they aren't so cock sure of a victory in any battle at the ECHR as some on here.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2019, 06:21:18 PM
The royalties go to Kate McCann so how much is she keeping back for personal use before donating to the Fund?
What makes you think she is holding back anything for personal use? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 11, 2019, 06:22:22 PM
You could have been amazed earlier had you read the previous years accounts which mentioned this donation being made post that year-end.
whatever, and whenever it was made I’m still amazed, any problem with that?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 23, 2019, 09:16:52 AM
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-47660347/tracing-child-abusers-where-was-this-picture-taken

One of the topics which interests me is whether a photo of Madeleine has ever surfaced, taken AFTER 3 May 2007.

I haven't heard of any credible example of such a photo, either aged around 4, or matching an age-progressed drawing of Madeleine.

I don't know in detail the capability of such photographic matching.

But the short video in the link gives an intro to how Europol is trying to leverage 'armchair' experts in trying to identify locations of suspected child abuse. 

There are no graphic images in the BBC report.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on March 24, 2019, 09:59:03 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/av/stories-47660347/tracing-child-abusers-where-was-this-picture-taken

One of the topics which interests me is whether a photo of Madeleine has ever surfaced, taken AFTER 3 May 2007.

I haven't heard of any credible example of such a photo, either aged around 4, or matching an age-progressed drawing of Madeleine.

I don't know in detail the capability of such photographic matching.

But the short video in the link gives an intro to how Europol is trying to leverage 'armchair' experts in trying to identify locations of suspected child abuse. 

There are no graphic images in the BBC report.

The swing set in the released image is certainly quite distinctive & differs from images showing similar types currently available. Hopefully that one can quickly be identified.
IIRC Rui Pedro was identified in one such image but sadly he has not been located to date.
It's an excellent idea to ask for public help imo if detectives want to chip away at the vile industry of international child sex abuse.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 27, 2019, 09:45:10 AM
Daily Mail running another McCann/Mitchell propaganda piece this morning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6852393/McCann-family-spokesman-Clarence-Mitchell-says-Madeleine-abducted-stranger.html


Nothing new, so why now?  There's usually an ulterior motive behind these things
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on March 27, 2019, 12:40:50 PM
Daily Mail running another McCann/Mitchell propaganda piece this morning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6852393/McCann-family-spokesman-Clarence-Mitchell-says-Madeleine-abducted-stranger.html


Nothing new, so why now?  There's usually an ulterior motive behind these things

Apparently the Telegraph interviewed him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 27, 2019, 06:29:49 PM
Daily Mail running another McCann/Mitchell propaganda piece this morning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6852393/McCann-family-spokesman-Clarence-Mitchell-says-Madeleine-abducted-stranger.html


Nothing new, so why now?  There's usually an ulterior motive behind these things
I seem to recall certain people getting excited about some media coverage in November last year, convinced it presaged some development that the McCanns furiously needed to deflect from, then....nothing happened. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2019, 11:32:18 AM
Daily Mail running another McCann/Mitchell propaganda piece this morning.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6852393/McCann-family-spokesman-Clarence-Mitchell-says-Madeleine-abducted-stranger.html


Nothing new, so why now?  There's usually an ulterior motive behind these things

It was interesting that Mitchell is still trying to justify the McCann's lack of emotion. If it was due to police advice they are the only couple I've ever seen who managed to comply with it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 28, 2019, 02:24:10 PM
It was interesting that Mitchell is still trying to justify the McCann's lack of emotion. If it was due to police advice they are the only couple I've ever seen who managed to comply with it.

Karen Matthews did a fantastic job if I remember correctly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 28, 2019, 05:15:43 PM
It was interesting that Mitchell is still trying to justify the McCann's lack of emotion. If it was due to police advice they are the only couple I've ever seen who managed to comply with it.
Really?  Do you think they might be psychopaths then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2019, 09:49:12 PM
Karen Matthews did a fantastic job if I remember correctly.

Of what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on March 28, 2019, 10:12:40 PM
Really?  Do you think they might be psychopaths then?

I'm no expert on tht subject, but I think psychopaths are very good at convincing people they're experiencing emotions they don't actually feel. That suggests there is no psychopathy involved.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 29, 2019, 06:52:51 AM
Of what?

Weeping and wailing.  She was held by some to be the epitome of how a grieving mother should behave.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2019, 04:04:35 PM
Weeping and wailing.  She was held by some to be the epitome of how a grieving mother should behave.

I'm more interested in the ones that I know lost someone. The vast majority cry during appeals or interviews, often many years after the event. That's an involuntary reaction caused by reliving the event and their feelings at the time return.

Karen Matthews and Kate McCann, on the other hand, were in control of their emotions. One chose to display false feelings by crying, the other says she chose to control her real feelings. She wasn't the only one either. Wider family members did the same. No tears escaped from anyone, not one emotional wreck amongst them. I find that incomprehensible because it's very unusual imo.
Title: Are they searching.
Post by: barrier on March 29, 2019, 04:46:04 PM
Quote
New signs that Met’s Maddie search “may not be searching at all”


https://www.portugalresident.com/2019/03/29/new-signs-that-mets-maddie-search-may-not-be-searching-at-all/


Any one like to contradict this with solid evidence of a continued search?
Remembering all refernces to OP Grange are non existent on the MET site.


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2019, 06:28:48 PM
I'm no expert on tht subject, but I think psychopaths are very good at convincing people they're experiencing emotions they don't actually feel. That suggests there is no psychopathy involved.
So, what then?  Not psychopaths, just not very bothered about their child’s disappearance?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 29, 2019, 06:46:18 PM

I see Jill Havern has got her nose in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2019, 07:14:21 PM
I see Jill Havern has got her nose in.
Got her nose in what?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 29, 2019, 07:18:29 PM
Got her nose in what?

The Portugal Resident.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2019, 07:21:58 PM
The Portugal Resident.
Oh yeah, missed that.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on March 29, 2019, 09:32:04 PM
So, what then?  Not psychopaths, just not very bothered about their child’s disappearance?

I have no idea. All I know is that like stranger abduction a lack of parental emotion must be incredibly rare.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 29, 2019, 10:18:58 PM
I have no idea. All I know is that like stranger abduction a lack of parental emotion must be incredibly rare.
Do you actually believe that the McCanns demonstrated no emotion over the disappearance?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2019, 06:29:06 AM
Do you actually believe that the McCanns demonstrated no emotion over the disappearance?

After The McCann's awful first melt down I call it stiff upper lip.  Some of us do have it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 30, 2019, 07:17:39 AM
After The McCann's awful first melt down I call it stiff upper lip.  Some of us do have it.
Which very nearly abandoned Gerry completely on the tarmac on their return from Portugal.  I suppose that was just good acting as far as some are concerned.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2019, 08:51:06 AM
Which very nearly abandoned Gerry completely on the tarmac on their return from Portugal.  I suppose that was just good acting as far as some are concerned.

I wasn't convinced by it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2019, 08:52:04 AM


Mysterious Madeleine McCann abduction suspect who police never got to question


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mysterious-madeleine-mccann-abduction-suspect-14199802

 @)(++(*
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 30, 2019, 09:10:35 AM

Mysterious Madeleine McCann abduction suspect who police never got to question


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mysterious-madeleine-mccann-abduction-suspect-14199802

 @)(++(*

What proof is there that Euclides Monteiro died in a tractor accident, or that he is dead at all? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2019, 09:17:25 AM
What proof is there that Euclides Monteiro died in a tractor accident, or that he is dead at all?

Interestng theory.

Perhaps he abducted Maddie in revenge for getting fired, staged a tractor accident, severed all contact with his wife,  & disappeared into the murky paedo underworld.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2019, 09:24:04 AM

Mysterious Madeleine McCann abduction suspect who police never got to question


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mysterious-madeleine-mccann-abduction-suspect-14199802

 @)(++(*

He wasn't a very nice man.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2019, 09:24:27 AM
He wasn't a very nice man.

Did you know him?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2019, 09:25:17 AM
Did you know him?

Have you read his conviction record?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2019, 09:26:47 AM
Have you read his conviction record?

No. Have you? Enlighten me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2019, 09:31:18 AM
No. Have you? Enlighten me.

Do your own research.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on March 30, 2019, 09:35:15 AM

Do your own research.

Charming.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2019, 09:36:20 AM
Charming.

That's rich from the charmer of all time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 30, 2019, 09:36:31 AM
Interestng theory.

Perhaps he abducted Maddie in revenge for getting fired, staged a tractor accident, severed all contact with his wife,  & disappeared into the murky paedo underworld.
It is not a "theory".
It is a search for Answers.
It is a search for Truth.
It is a search for Justice.  Take your pick and if none of those suit ... no doubt I can come up with more.

Euclides Monteiro allegedly was the prime suspect of the Judicial police.

The media have told us of his death in a tractor accident. 

An email sent to Prince Charles office detailing the 'revenge theory' was enough apparently to tip Amaral's scales.

I see you cannot supply any sort of official confirmation that he died in a tractor accident ... not even of a contemporary clip in the local press. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 30, 2019, 09:38:17 AM
Charming.

Be so kind as to desist from 'spamming' ... it is terribly boring.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on March 30, 2019, 10:48:21 AM
He wasn't a very nice man.

I would imagine Harold Shipman came across as very nice,just goes to show.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 30, 2019, 11:46:13 AM
It is not a "theory".
It is a search for Answers.
It is a search for Truth.
It is a search for Justice.  Take your pick and if none of those suit ... no doubt I can come up with more.

Euclides Monteiro allegedly was the prime suspect of the Judicial police.

The media have told us of his death in a tractor accident. 

An email sent to Prince Charles office detailing the 'revenge theory' was enough apparently to tip Amaral's scales.

I see you cannot supply any sort of official confirmation that he died in a tractor accident ... not even of a contemporary clip in the local press.

As I now live in the same village of Portelas, just what would constitute proof that Senhor Monteiro is dead?

A photo of his gravestone?

Should I dig him up and check his DNA?

Perhaps I should go to Lagos GNR, which is responsible for Portelas, and check on records of tractor accidents?

 *%87

Just for the record, I currently believe that Sr Monteiro was in Luz that night, but it had nothing to do with Madeleine.

 &%%6
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on March 30, 2019, 01:24:07 PM
As I now live in the same village of Portelas, just what would constitute proof that Senhor Monteiro is dead?

A photo of his gravestone?

Should I dig him up and check his DNA?

Perhaps I should go to Lagos GNR, which is responsible for Portelas, and check on records of tractor accidents?

 *%87

Just for the record, I currently believe that Sr Monteiro was in Luz that night, but it had nothing to do with Madeleine.

 &%%6

The only salient point you make is in the last sentence of your post.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on March 30, 2019, 06:39:22 PM
As I now live in the same village of Portelas, just what would constitute proof that Senhor Monteiro is dead?

A photo of his gravestone?

Should I dig him up and check his DNA?

Perhaps I should go to Lagos GNR, which is responsible for Portelas, and check on records of tractor accidents?

 *%87

Just for the record, I currently believe that Sr Monteiro was in Luz that night, but it had nothing to do with Madeleine.

 &%%6
Why not?  It would give you something to write about in your blog and Goncalo could get some practice alerting to the corpse. Win-win.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 30, 2019, 07:36:16 PM
As I now live in the same village of Portelas, just what would constitute proof that Senhor Monteiro is dead?

A photo of his gravestone?

Should I dig him up and check his DNA?

Perhaps I should go to Lagos GNR, which is responsible for Portelas, and check on records of tractor accidents?

 *%87

Just for the record, I currently believe that Sr Monteiro was in Luz that night, but it had nothing to do with Madeleine.

 &%%6
Post a copy of his death certificate if you can.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on March 30, 2019, 07:38:03 PM
Post a copy of his death certificate if you can.

Oh My.  That's a good one.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on March 30, 2019, 10:20:34 PM
Oh My.  That's a good one.
'I imagine it would have to be signed off by a doctor in an accidental death.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on March 31, 2019, 12:45:05 AM
As I now live in the same village of Portelas, just what would constitute proof that Senhor Monteiro is dead?

A photo of his gravestone?

Should I dig him up and check his DNA?

Perhaps I should go to Lagos GNR, which is responsible for Portelas, and check on records of tractor accidents?

 *%87

Just for the record, I currently believe that Sr Monteiro was in Luz that night, but it had nothing to do with Madeleine.

 &%%6

Back in 2013 I went through all the news reports for 2008-2010 related to tractor accidents/deaths. Despite there being various injuries/deaths reported &even news of an unmanned runaway tractor, I could not find anything relating to Monteiro or death of a Cape Verdean caused by a tractor. The online documents purportedly confirming  his presidential pardon in 1996 by Sampaio showed 2 different ages. Is his widow Luisa still living in Portelas?
IMO, though, had the PJ been able to pin this crime on a dead Cape Verdean & provided closure they would have done so post-haste.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on March 31, 2019, 09:30:18 AM
Yet another round of speculation from the Daily Mail

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6868571/Are-police-abandon-Maddie-inquiry-No-new-leads-eight-years-no-new-leads.html

No official announcements from anywhere, other than  "officials last night admitted no decision on future funding has been made"

However -
"A well-placed source said the remaining handful of detectives have been carrying out ‘grunt work’ which includes tracking down and eliminating known sex offenders and finding possible witnesses rather than pursuing hard leads."

Is it true or just click bait? Watch this space  8)-)))

edit Just noticed  has been posted elsewhere, earlier.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on March 31, 2019, 01:22:17 PM
Back in 2013 I went through all the news reports for 2008-2010 related to tractor accidents/deaths. Despite there being various injuries/deaths reported &even news of an unmanned runaway tractor, I could not find anything relating to Monteiro or death of a Cape Verdean caused by a tractor. The online documents purportedly confirming  his presidential pardon in 1996 by Sampaio showed 2 different ages. Is his widow Luisa still living in Portelas?
IMO, though, had the PJ been able to pin this crime on a dead Cape Verdean & provided closure they would have done so post-haste.
OK, I haven't carried out your research, so the following is simply from my experience.

We get a fair number of tractor deaths in Portugal, mainly from the tractor overturning.  Reports of such deaths are not uncommon.  From memory, two people died on a motorbike on the EN125 while we were here, caused by running into the rear of a tractor.

I cannot say whether or not Luisa is still living here.  I have scrupulously avoided investigating anything thus far.  But I have got fed up waiting on OG to expire, so my hunting season opens tomorrow.

A thumbnail sketch of Euclides Monteiro goes as follows, for our guests.

It seems he was investigated for involvement in a set of night-time sexual assaults on the Algarve, before his death.  His DNA was tested, and found not to be a match.  His wife reputedly says he was never questioned about MBM.

Again allegedly, his mobile phone was in Luz on 3 May 2007.  Whilst his wife says it had been loaned out, but he was at home, composing poetry on his computer.

There are two typically Portuguese cafe/bars in Luz.  Phone traffic in one would vaguely place Sr Monteiro in the same half of Luz as Kate & Gerry.  In the other, it would rule him out.  If I can find out which one, I will at least know where I should be having discussions.

Newspapers reported that Sr Monteiro was a suspect in the Porto investigation.  DNA here works in quite a different way to the UK or US.  You are not permitted to cross-reference cases, until you have committed a serious crime AND a judge orders your DNA to be provided.  From memory, the first successful case was in 2012. 

The DNA database is also small.  When your sentence is finished, your DNA must be expunged from the database, by law.

What else?  The two digs of OG to the east of Luz were very close to the water processing plant.  After Sr Monteiro left the OC, he worked in the water treatment business.  He probably had keys for that plant. 

Make your own mind up.  Was OG investigating Sr Monteiro, or was it simply investigating 'anomalies' in the terrain?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on April 01, 2019, 08:18:09 AM
OK, I haven't carried out your research, so the following is simply from my experience.

We get a fair number of tractor deaths in Portugal, mainly from the tractor overturning.  Reports of such deaths are not uncommon.  From memory, two people died on a motorbike on the EN125 while we were here, caused by running into the rear of a tractor.

I cannot say whether or not Luisa is still living here.  I have scrupulously avoided investigating anything thus far.  But I have got fed up waiting on OG to expire, so my hunting season opens tomorrow.

A thumbnail sketch of Euclides Monteiro goes as follows, for our guests.

It seems he was investigated for involvement in a set of night-time sexual assaults on the Algarve, before his death.  His DNA was tested, and found not to be a match.  His wife reputedly says he was never questioned about MBM.

Again allegedly, his mobile phone was in Luz on 3 May 2007.  Whilst his wife says it had been loaned out, but he was at home, composing poetry on his computer.

There are two typically Portuguese cafe/bars in Luz.  Phone traffic in one would vaguely place Sr Monteiro in the same half of Luz as Kate & Gerry.  In the other, it would rule him out.  If I can find out which one, I will at least know where I should be having discussions.

Newspapers reported that Sr Monteiro was a suspect in the Porto investigation.  DNA here works in quite a different way to the UK or US.  You are not permitted to cross-reference cases, until you have committed a serious crime AND a judge orders your DNA to be provided.  From memory, the first successful case was in 2012. 

The DNA database is also small.  When your sentence is finished, your DNA must be expunged from the database, by law.

What else?  The two digs of OG to the east of Luz were very close to the water processing plant.  After Sr Monteiro left the OC, he worked in the water treatment business.  He probably had keys for that plant. 

Make your own mind up.  Was OG investigating Sr Monteiro, or was it simply investigating 'anomalies' in the terrain?

The perfect patsy,only he wasn't.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on April 02, 2019, 04:53:12 PM
OK, I haven't carried out your research, so the following is simply from my experience.

We get a fair number of tractor deaths in Portugal, mainly from the tractor overturning.  Reports of such deaths are not uncommon.  From memory, two people died on a motorbike on the EN125 while we were here, caused by running into the rear of a tractor.

I cannot say whether or not Luisa is still living here.  I have scrupulously avoided investigating anything thus far.  But I have got fed up waiting on OG to expire, so my hunting season opens tomorrow.

A thumbnail sketch of Euclides Monteiro goes as follows, for our guests.

It seems he was investigated for involvement in a set of night-time sexual assaults on the Algarve, before his death.  His DNA was tested, and found not to be a match.  His wife reputedly says he was never questioned about MBM.

Again allegedly, his mobile phone was in Luz on 3 May 2007.  Whilst his wife says it had been loaned out, but he was at home, composing poetry on his computer.

There are two typically Portuguese cafe/bars in Luz.  Phone traffic in one would vaguely place Sr Monteiro in the same half of Luz as Kate & Gerry.  In the other, it would rule him out.  If I can find out which one, I will at least know where I should be having discussions.

Newspapers reported that Sr Monteiro was a suspect in the Porto investigation.  DNA here works in quite a different way to the UK or US.  You are not permitted to cross-reference cases, until you have committed a serious crime AND a judge orders your DNA to be provided.  From memory, the first successful case was in 2012. 

The DNA database is also small.  When your sentence is finished, your DNA must be expunged from the database, by law.

What else?  The two digs of OG to the east of Luz were very close to the water processing plant.  After Sr Monteiro left the OC, he worked in the water treatment business.  He probably had keys for that plant. 

Make your own mind up.  Was OG investigating Sr Monteiro, or was it simply investigating 'anomalies' in the terrain?

There's another old one.  I lent my phone to someone else.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on April 09, 2019, 01:52:24 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47865361 Please read this, then come back, and I will relate why it pertains to the MBM case.

Done reading? Good, let's move on!

There are scenarios in which neither CCTV nor DNA can resolve which twin was involved.  This is the second one I know of where such evidence did not secure a conviction.

CCTV normally takes relatively poor images, quite hard for the police to work with.

DNA equally is only a 'killer' if you get the DNA of someone who claims to never have been on the scene.  And you can prove it is his/hers.  I suspect the UK trip to Coimbra with 2 DNA technicians in tow was to evaluate what was left over and what could be done with it.  But I am not an expert in DNA analysis.

Portugal respects privacy and freedom of individuals.

That means very limited CCTV, and in 2007, no DNA database.

That was the reality facing the PJ.  It is the reality facing OG.  I have no idea what the Porto PJ team are up to, but they will face the same barriers.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on April 09, 2019, 11:09:40 PM
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-47865361 Please read this, then come back, and I will relate why it pertains to the MBM case.

Done reading? Good, let's move on!

There are scenarios in which neither CCTV nor DNA can resolve which twin was involved.  This is the second one I know of where such evidence did not secure a conviction.

CCTV normally takes relatively poor images, quite hard for the police to work with.

DNA equally is only a 'killer' if you get the DNA of someone who claims to never have been on the scene.  And you can prove it is his/hers.  I suspect the UK trip to Coimbra with 2 DNA technicians in tow was to evaluate what was left over and what could be done with it.  But I am not an expert in DNA analysis.

Portugal respects privacy and freedom of individuals.

That means very limited CCTV, and in 2007, no DNA database.

That was the reality facing the PJ.  It is the reality facing OG.  I have no idea what the Porto PJ team are up to, but they will face the same barriers.

It is indeed a problem. Without the living child, her remains or a confession their chances pf solving the case are extremely slim  in my opinion
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 02, 2019, 08:56:08 PM
Wonder how many make a small team,lesss that 4? also I thought the funding was supposed to have been asked for earlier in the year.

https://news.sky.com/story/madeleine-mccann-police-request-more-funds-to-continue-investigation-into-disappearance-11709461

She said: "We have active lines of inquiries and I think the public would expect us to see those through.

"A very small team continues to work on this case with Portuguese colleagues and we have put in an application to the Home Office for further funding."
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2019, 09:08:25 AM
https://www.cmjornal.pt/exclusivos/detalhe/judiciaria-segue-nova-pista-do-rapto-de-maddie?ref=HP_Destaque

The above link is for the Correio da Manha which the Sun is claiming are running a story of a new suspect.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8968146/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-clue-suspect/

HOPE FOR MADDIE Madeleine McCann cops in Portugal are ‘probing NEW suspect’ as fresh clue offers hope for missing youngster
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 03, 2019, 01:13:44 PM
https://www.cmjornal.pt/exclusivos/detalhe/judiciaria-segue-nova-pista-do-rapto-de-maddie?ref=HP_Destaque

The above link is for the Correio da Manha which the Sun is claiming are running a story of a new suspect.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/8968146/madeleine-mccann-cops-new-clue-suspect/

HOPE FOR MADDIE Madeleine McCann cops in Portugal are ‘probing NEW suspect’ as fresh clue offers hope for missing youngster

Joana Morais has accessed the CdM article and translated it into English at https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2019/05/portuguese-judiciary-police-follows-new.html

This states that the evidence has been assessed by a tribunal in Portimão.

It also states that CMTV is running a special report tonight.

I have no idea if I can access CMTV, but it's not an issue.  My aural Portuguese is poor.  Your go to source for this is Joana Morais.  I reckon she will watch it, and provide an English summary.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on May 03, 2019, 02:33:48 PM
Police investigating the 12-year-old mystery of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance are looking into a new suspect, according to media reports in Portugal.

Policia Judiciaria are said to be deploying more resources into the case of Madeleine, who was three years old when she went missing during a family holiday in the Algarve on May 3 2007.

Portuguese daily newspaper Correio da Manha claimed today: ‘Police are following new Maddie kidnap clues.

‘More inspectors are advancing an investigation into a new suspect.’

‘A new clue and a new suspect, which the PJ are trying to keep an absolute secret, has led to new resources being put in place to investigate the little girl’s whereabouts.’

The investigation into Madeleine was re-opened in Portugal in October 2013 when convicted burglar Euclides Monteiro was linked to the inquiry.

Police in Porto are said to be the ones looking into the new information.

The paper said the new line of inquiry did not focus on the McCanns.

There was no immediate official response in Portugal or the UK to the report.

Officials said while they may be nearer finding out what happened to Madeleine, there are ‘many doubts’ she is still alive.

Its release coincides with the 12th anniversary of Madeleine’s disappearance from the holiday apartment while her parents ate tapas nearby.

Today Kate and Gerry McCann vowed to carry on looking for their daughter ‘for as long as it takes’.

They will attend church near their home in Rothley, Leicestershire today to mark the sad anniversary.

They released a statement that said: ‘As much as we’d like to fast forward the first couple of weeks of May, there’s no getting around it.

‘The months and years roll by too quickly.

‘Madeleine will be sixteen this month. It’s impossible to put into words just how that makes us feel.

‘There is comfort and reassurance though in knowing that the investigation continues and many people around the world remain vigilant.’

Metropolitan Police chief Cressida Dick confirmed yesterday the force had applied for more money from the Home Office to continue its Operation Grange to search for Madeleine.

She said: ‘We have active lines of inquiries and I think the public would expect us to see those through.

‘A very small team continues to work on this case with Portuguese colleagues and we have put in an application to the Home Office for further funding.’


https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/03/new-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-probe-as-police-near-to-knowing-what-happened-9398630/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 03, 2019, 04:19:59 PM
"Today Kate and Gerry McCann vowed to carry on looking for their daughter ‘for as long as it takes’."

https://metro.co.uk/2019/05/03/new-suspect-in-madeleine-mccann-probe-as-police-near-to-knowing-what-happened-9398630/

Brings a whole new meaning to the verb 'to look'.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 03, 2019, 05:17:20 PM
Joana Morais has accessed the CdM article and translated it into English at https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2019/05/portuguese-judiciary-police-follows-new.html

This states that the evidence has been assessed by a tribunal in Portimão.

It also states that CMTV is running a special report tonight.

I have no idea if I can access CMTV, but it's not an issue.  My aural Portuguese is poor.  Your go to source for this is Joana Morais.  I reckon she will watch it, and provide an English summary.

"I do believe their reporting since they have contacts in the PJ, as proven by the many accurate crime stories they publish not related to this case but also about this case, I just really don't believe that this line of investigation merits any credit.

In fact, it seems a bit coincidental the PJ team in Porto was silent for several years and now on the 12th anniversary, a bit to show off work, this new "very secretive" lead appears.

The reporting is also given credence by the fact that magistrate holding the process has not given permission for the media to access the process i.e. the case files, since they now pertain to an ongoing and active investigation and also by the Public Ministry aka Public Prosecutor's Office statement."     Joana Morais


Seems Joana is in a wee bit of a quandary if her comment above is anything to go by.
Can't get a clearer cite direct from the Portuguese investigators than ...

This scenario would remove the parents from the equation ...
The Public Prosecutor's Office confirms “active lines of investigation”

Which appears to be an abduction if the headline is to be believed ...
Judiciary follows new abduction lead in the Maddie case
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 03, 2019, 05:32:34 PM
"I do believe their reporting since they have contacts in the PJ, as proven by the many accurate crime stories they publish not related to this case but also about this case, I just really don't believe that this line of investigation merits any credit.

In fact, it seems a bit coincidental the PJ team in Porto was silent for several years and now on the 12th anniversary, a bit to show off work, this new "very secretive" lead appears.

The reporting is also given credence by the fact that magistrate holding the process has not given permission for the media to access the process i.e. the case files, since they now pertain to an ongoing and active investigation and also by the Public Ministry aka Public Prosecutor's Office statement."     Joana Morais


Seems Joana is in a wee bit of a quandary if her comment above is anything to go by.
Can't get a clearer cite direct from the Portuguese investigators than ...

This scenario would remove the parents from the equation ...
The Public Prosecutor's Office confirms “active lines of investigation”

Which appears to be an abduction if the headline is to be believed ...
Judiciary follows new abduction lead in the Maddie case

Would seems to be the significant word.
Only if this new lead proves fruitful will the situation change.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2019, 05:41:00 PM
From the PJ.

“Gabinete de imprensa [gabineteimprensa@pj.pt]
sexta-feira, 3 de Maio de 2019 1xxxx

Nota à Comunicação Social

Face a notícias vindas a público no dia de hoje e às inúmeras solicitações de esclarecimentos a propósito, por parte da comunicação social, informa-se o seguinte:

1. A investigação sobre o desaparecimento de uma criança inglesa, ocorrido na praia da Luz em 2007, continua em aberto, no âmbito de inquérito tutelado pelo Ministério Público de Portimão.

2. Esta investigação tem sido desenvolvida em articulação com autoridades internacionais, obdedecendo às regras de cooperação judiciária e policial, que as circunstâncias da situação justificam.

3. A Polícia Judiciária, no interesse da investigação, não considera oportuna a prestação de esclarecimentos adicionais.

Lisboa, 3 de Maio de 2019”

Translates to.

Press Office [gabineteimprensa@pj.pt]
Friday, May 3, 2019 1xxxx

Note to the Media

In light of news made public today and the countless requests for clarification about them by the media, the following is informed:

1. The investigation into the disappearance of an English child, which took place in praia da Luz 2007, remains open as part of an investigation under the supervision of the Public Ministry of Portimão.

2. This investigation has been carried out in liaison with international authorities, obeying the rules of judicial and police cooperation, justified by the circumstances of the situation.

3. In the interest of the investigation, the PJ does not consider opportune to provide additional clarifications.

Lisbon, May 3, 2019”

Mark Rowley:There are odd headlines and odd stories in newspapers on a regular basis and most of those are
nonsense.


Probably true the world over.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Angelo222 on May 03, 2019, 06:15:51 PM
If it is ever confirmed that Maddie was abducted from the street outside the McCanns holiday apartment then the emphasis shifts right back on them and their neglect.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 03, 2019, 06:21:04 PM
If it is ever confirmed that Maddie was abducted from the street outside the McCanns holiday apartment then the emphasis shifts right back on them and their neglect.

I think that if the crime is solved it will be found that Madeleine was abducted from her bed ... what do you think they should do about "their neglect" ... it seems that short of opening their veins, some will never be able to move beyond it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2019, 06:35:49 PM
Joana Morais has accessed the CdM article and translated it into English at https://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2019/05/portuguese-judiciary-police-follows-new.html

This states that the evidence has been assessed by a tribunal in Portimão.

It also states that CMTV is running a special report tonight.

I have no idea if I can access CMTV, but it's not an issue.  My aural Portuguese is poor.  Your go to source for this is Joana Morais.  I reckon she will watch it, and provide an English summary.
Worrying times for those who have deluded themselves into believing the PJ have been doing sweet fa while the Met busies itself with building a case against the McCanns...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2019, 06:36:22 PM
Brings a whole new meaning to the verb 'to look'.
Spiteful.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2019, 06:45:03 PM
Worrying times for those who have deluded themselves into believing the PJ have been doing sweet fa while the Met busies itself with building a case against the McCanns...

Is there any truth in it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2019, 07:07:57 PM
Is there any truth in it?
Sounds like it to me if the highly esteemed Joana Morais is giving it credence. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2019, 07:16:04 PM
Sounds like it to me if the highly esteemed Joana Morais is giving it credence.

Has she commented.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2019, 07:21:08 PM
Has she commented.

"I do believe their reporting since they have contacts in the PJ, as proven by the many accurate crime stories they publish not related to this case but also about this case, I just really don't believe that this line of investigation merits any credit.

In fact, it seems a bit coincidental the PJ team in Porto was silent for several years and now on the 12th anniversary, a bit to show off work, this new "very secretive" lead appears.

The reporting is also given credence by the fact that magistrate holding the process has not given permission for the media to access the process i.e. the case files, since they now pertain to an ongoing and active investigation and also by the Public Ministry aka Public Prosecutor's Office statement."     Joana Morais
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2019, 07:24:03 PM
"I do believe their reporting since they have contacts in the PJ, as proven by the many accurate crime stories they publish not related to this case but also about this case, I just really don't believe that this line of investigation merits any credit.

In fact, it seems a bit coincidental the PJ team in Porto was silent for several years and now on the 12th anniversary, a bit to show off work, this new "very secretive" lead appears.

The reporting is also given credence by the fact that magistrate holding the process has not given permission for the media to access the process i.e. the case files, since they now pertain to an ongoing and active investigation and also by the Public Ministry aka Public Prosecutor's Office statement."     Joana Morais

The reporting is what she gives credence to not the article.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2019, 08:04:16 PM
The reporting is what she gives credence to not the article.
Please explain the difference!
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 03, 2019, 08:09:04 PM
"I do believe their reporting since they have contacts in the PJ, as proven by the many accurate crime stories they publish not related to this case but also about this case, I just really don't believe that this line of investigation merits any credit.

In fact, it seems a bit coincidental the PJ team in Porto was silent for several years and now on the 12th anniversary, a bit to show off work, this new "very secretive" lead appears.

The reporting is also given credence by the fact that magistrate holding the process has not given permission for the media to access the process i.e. the case files, since they now pertain to an ongoing and active investigation and also by the Public Ministry aka Public Prosecutor's Office statement."     Joana Morais
The reporting is what she gives credence to not the article.

Please explain the difference!

Bolded.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 03, 2019, 08:18:33 PM
Bolded.
Nope, I think you have got hold of the wrong end of the stick.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 04, 2019, 08:00:23 AM
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Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 19, 2019, 11:10:17 AM
https://www.cmjornal.pt/mundo/detalhe/detetive-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-acredita-que-raptor-vai-confessar-o-crime?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques


Jim Gamble, a leading detective who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, believes the abductor of the British girl, or a possible accomplice, will confess the crime.

The detective says that over the years and with the technological advance, the people who took Maddie will become increasingly nervous and, if there is an accomplice of the crime, the loyalty relationship between raptor and accomplice could change leading to the much sought after confession.



PUB
"I genuinely believe that timely or someone's awareness, or technological advances, will bring us to a height during my life where we will discover what happened to Madeleine," admits Gamble who led the first investigation into the girl's disappearance.

"If a raptor is involved, someone will have seen something. Someone will suspect something, perhaps personal loyalty, a relationship or something else. The fact that they may not have certainties may have caused them to keep their suspicions until now ", believes the inspector.

Jim Gamble says that over time someone, whether raptor, accomplice or someone who has seen something, will need to tell and that will be solved there.

Maddie disappeared at the age of just three years from her family's vacation apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, 12 years ago.
Despite the desperate search, the girl disappeared without a trace.

The researchers' main theory is that the child has been abducted by traffickers or predators. Another possible explanation is that Maddie was taken during a failed robbery.

It all seems to believe, with the latest statements by the detective, that investigators are close to finding out what happened to Maddie.

+++++

Please note, I have no certainty as to why this surfaced in yesterday's CdM.  It's not attributed to any author.  The article has a photo of Madeleine that I haven't seen before.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on May 19, 2019, 11:15:21 AM

I have seen that photo of Madeleine, but then I have been at this a very long time.  Much longer than some who are posting here.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 19, 2019, 12:55:40 PM
https://www.cmjornal.pt/mundo/detalhe/detetive-do-desaparecimento-de-maddie-acredita-que-raptor-vai-confessar-o-crime?ref=HP_PrimeirosDestaques


Jim Gamble, a leading detective who investigated the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, believes the abductor of the British girl, or a possible accomplice, will confess the crime.

The detective says that over the years and with the technological advance, the people who took Maddie will become increasingly nervous and, if there is an accomplice of the crime, the loyalty relationship between raptor and accomplice could change leading to the much sought after confession.



PUB
"I genuinely believe that timely or someone's awareness, or technological advances, will bring us to a height during my life where we will discover what happened to Madeleine," admits Gamble who led the first investigation into the girl's disappearance.

"If a raptor is involved, someone will have seen something. Someone will suspect something, perhaps personal loyalty, a relationship or something else. The fact that they may not have certainties may have caused them to keep their suspicions until now ", believes the inspector.

Jim Gamble says that over time someone, whether raptor, accomplice or someone who has seen something, will need to tell and that will be solved there.

Maddie disappeared at the age of just three years from her family's vacation apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, 12 years ago.
Despite the desperate search, the girl disappeared without a trace.

The researchers' main theory is that the child has been abducted by traffickers or predators. Another possible explanation is that Maddie was taken during a failed robbery.

It all seems to believe, with the latest statements by the detective, that investigators are close to finding out what happened to Maddie.

+++++

Please note, I have no certainty as to why this surfaced in yesterday's CdM.  It's not attributed to any author.  The article has a photo of Madeleine that I haven't seen before.

It was doing the rounds on the red tops yesterday,started in the star I believe.


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/779408/madeleine-mccann-2019-witness-confession-imminent-disappearance-missing-parents-latest
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on May 19, 2019, 01:10:37 PM
It was doing the rounds on the red tops yesterday,started in the star I believe.


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/779408/madeleine-mccann-2019-witness-confession-imminent-disappearance-missing-parents-latest

I have seen that after I posted, and I reckon you are correct.  Many  *&(+(+
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 24, 2019, 07:14:20 PM
It was doing the rounds on the red tops yesterday,started in the star I believe.


https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/779408/madeleine-mccann-2019-witness-confession-imminent-disappearance-missing-parents-latest


I suspect this to be a birthday thing.  It was announced on the radio it was her birthday like she was  royalty or something.  Does anyone know Jamie Bulgers birthday? does the radio announce it?... hmm same ole same ole  we are all wise to their tricks now.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on May 24, 2019, 07:19:24 PM

I suspect this to be a birthday thing.  It was announced on the radio it was her birthday like she was  royalty or something.  Does anyone know Jamie Bulgers birthday? does the radio announce it?... hmm same ole same ole  we are all wise to their tricks now.

Sadly Jamie Bulger, note no JB ,is dead.
No more birthdays for him or his family to celebrate, although I imagine that on his birthday he is remembered by his family.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 24, 2019, 07:24:41 PM
Sadly Jamie Bulger, note no JB ,is dead.
No more birthdays for him or his family to celebrate, although I imagine that on his birthday he is remembered by his family.


Pretty much the same for MBM - IMO
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 24, 2019, 07:28:01 PM
Sadly Jamie Bulger, note no JB ,is dead.
No more birthdays for him or his family to celebrate, although I imagine that on his birthday he is remembered by his family.

As a human he has a birthday - dead or alive it is on his death certificate and head stone! I imagine he is remembered on more occasions than his birthday.

No one apart from the person who removed Madeleine from the apartment knows if she is dead or alive.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on May 24, 2019, 09:00:42 PM
As a human he has a birthday - dead or alive it is on his death certificate and head stone! I imagine he is remembered on more occasions than his birthday.

No one apart from the person who removed Madeleine from the apartment knows if she is dead or alive.


And you believe that person was one of her parents.
I don't, nor does it seem that the two current investigations are sharing your belief.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 24, 2019, 09:13:09 PM
... [snip] ...
No one apart from the person who removed Madeleine from the apartment knows if she is dead or alive.
You know more than the rest of us then.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on May 24, 2019, 10:55:01 PM
As a human he has a birthday - dead or alive it is on his death certificate and head stone! I imagine he is remembered on more occasions than his birthday.

No one apart from the person who removed Madeleine from the apartment knows if she is dead or alive.

Are you sure o0f that or are you a good guesser?

Only your opinion guessing again, isn't  it?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 25, 2019, 09:46:08 AM

And you believe that person was one of her parents.
I don't, nor does it seem that the two current investigations are sharing your belief.


Do I believe it was one of her parents?

I have never said the parents murdered their daughtter I have never claimed any theory.

You do not know what the two investigations are investigating.

I was making the statement that the last person to know MBM;s mortal state would be the person who removed her from the apartment. So maybe there was more than one person? unless you are suggesting one person stole her for someone else and wasn't told what happened to her.. O K A AYYYYY


Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 25, 2019, 09:49:26 AM
You know more than the rest of us then.


Are you suggesting the person who removed Maddie from the apartment handed her over and never found out what happened to her? Ok ..

I will correct my susmation... I find it very likely that the person/s who removed MBM would know what happened to her.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 25, 2019, 11:44:31 AM

Are you suggesting the person who removed Maddie from the apartment handed her over and never found out what happened to her? Ok ..

I will correct my susmation... I find it very likely that the person/s who removed MBM would know what happened to her.
One stage further than the person prior to that.  It is incredible that after 12 years we are no further on.  If she was alive there are 12 years of possible moving around.  12 years and we can't tell where Madeleine was at 10:00 PM Thursday 3rd May 2007.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on May 25, 2019, 12:14:34 PM

Are you suggesting the person who removed Maddie from the apartment handed her over and never found out what happened to her? Ok ..

I will correct my susmation... I find it very likely that the person/s who removed MBM would know what happened to her.
I think a very powerful and organised man set up this abduction.  I don't KNOW it was an abduction for certain, but I have probably 100 pointers that none of the rest of you have thought of … and I believe that Madeleine was still alive in 2012 anyhow. … and probably still is

…… and yes, I think it highly likely that he got others to do his dirty work, this time.  I think that he probably did the Carolina Santos attempted abduction himself, but having stopped by the parents, decided it was too dangerous, get others to do the dirty work.
 I think it likely that he had a small team, each with its own job.  People who at each stage did not know the people of the next stage … so that the people 2 along the line from the lifter wouldn't have even met each  other and could not know the fate of Madeleine.  Advanced planning.

Incidentally,
My main theory is about where Madeleine went after the abduction.    I can't prove it, but I have probably 100 pretty convincing  pointers, which Soz, I cannot share
I haven't troubled SY with the methodology for an abduction to have taken place and for Jane to have seen the lifter/carrier Tannerman.   I feel sure that they, along with Oporto special Madeleine group, will already have worked that out

And, yes, I think it very possible that at least two people were involved in the physical removal of Madeleine

I doubt that I shall enter into argument on this.  Too tired and it's all there , (so long as it hasn't been wiped or altered.)  So much of my more meaningful stuff has !

All the above is in my opinion
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 25, 2019, 12:45:30 PM
One stage further than the person prior to that.  It is incredible that after 12 years we are no further on. If she was alive there are 12 years of possible moving around.  12 years and we can't tell where Madeleine was at 10:00 PM Thursday 3rd May 2007.

The lack of any credible live sighting is, IMO, strong indication that  Madeleine was dead before she left the apartment.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 25, 2019, 12:56:55 PM
The lack of any credible live sighting is, IMO, strong indication that  Madeleine was dead before she left the apartment.

There was an eye witness sighting of a man carrying a child shortly before Madeleine was found to be missing ... there was another referring to a man carrying a child that night which was reported a fortnight after the event.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 25, 2019, 01:19:37 PM
There was an eye witness sighting of a man carrying a child shortly before Madeleine was found to be missing ... there was another referring to a man carrying a child that night which was reported a fortnight after the event.

Neither sighting mentioned the child being live
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on May 25, 2019, 03:35:23 PM
Neither sighting mentioned the child being live
Neither sighting mentioned the child being dead.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 25, 2019, 05:21:46 PM
The lack of any credible live sighting is, IMO, strong indication that  Madeleine was dead before she left the apartment.
Bizarre logic.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 25, 2019, 07:45:32 PM
The lack of any credible live sighting is, IMO, strong indication that  Madeleine was dead before she left the apartment.
I don't disagree but things don't always follow indications.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on May 26, 2019, 07:01:05 AM
Neither sighting mentioned the child being dead.
Unless the child moved how could one tell?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on May 26, 2019, 10:08:44 AM
Unless the child moved how could one tell?

Interestingly, My observation for what it is worth-The first sighting describes a child being carried as if it was picked up and was injured,not being awake and crying and not wearing feet covering in a cold night certainly leaves an impression of something not quite right.

The second sighting could be described as someone carrying a sleeping/drugged/dead child.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 26, 2019, 11:33:00 AM
Interestingly, My observation for what it is worth-The first sighting describes a child being carried as if it was picked up and was injured,not being awake and crying and not wearing feet covering in a cold night certainly leaves an impression of something not quite right.

The second sighting could be described as someone carrying a sleeping/drugged/dead child.
But IMO the second sighting is not a recently deceased child.  The body is completely flaccid immediately after death and IMO there is no way you could carry a child to make it look as if it was asleep.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on May 26, 2019, 12:05:05 PM
But IMO the second sighting is not a recently deceased child.  The body is completely flaccid immediately after death and IMO there is no way you could carry a child to make it look as if it was asleep.

Would need to carry out extensive field trials to be certain - IMO.

I have found that sleeping animals can appear totally flaccid at times
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 26, 2019, 12:32:29 PM
Would need to carry out extensive field trials to be certain - IMO.

I have found that sleeping animals can appear totally flaccid at times
@)(++(* Such as?  Sloths?  Snakes? 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on May 26, 2019, 01:11:24 PM
Would need to carry out extensive field trials to be certain - IMO.

I have found that sleeping animals can appear totally flaccid at times
If you picked that animal up and carried it I doubt if it would remain flaccid.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on May 26, 2019, 02:41:27 PM
Some posts have been unnecessarily aggressive and combative recently which is not conducive to constructive debate. By all means promote opinion and explore theories as long as such are based on facts and accepted understanding.

Finally, please keep posts amicable and informative at all times. TY.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 05, 2019, 04:54:39 PM
More money for Operation Grange
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-police-funding-home-office-year-a8945706.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 05, 2019, 05:00:14 PM
More money for Operation Grange
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-police-funding-home-office-year-a8945706.html

Yay!  I saw that in The Mail.  Good one.  They'll get The McCanns even yet.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 05, 2019, 05:30:51 PM
More money for Operation Grange
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-police-funding-home-office-year-a8945706.html
I wondered what that gnashing sound was.  Now I know it was the sound of thousands of sceptics chewing on the carpet in rage and despair.  @)(++(*.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on June 05, 2019, 05:41:41 PM
More money for Operation Grange
 
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-investigation-police-funding-home-office-year-a8945706.html
Fabulous news.

Thank you jassi


I think that a new thread would be in order for this, but can't get any of the reports from 'Newsnow Madeleine McCann' to open properly.  Can anyone manage that please and post the news up as a new topic?  TY
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 10, 2019, 04:50:50 PM
I wondered what that gnashing sound was.  Now I know it was the sound of thousands of sceptics chewing on the carpet in rage and despair.  @)(++(*.

No, that gnashing sound was probably people who are real victims of crimes commited in this country, who do not want their hard earned cash wasted on parents who couldn't be bothered with their children at  evening meal times in another country. I am surprised the PJ even allowed them to interfere/investigate. Naming people who MAY be is a gross miscarriage of justice IMO. They could not possibly get a fair trial. and where would this trial take place? yes the poor portuguese will have to cough up and pay for all that...
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2019, 05:00:21 PM
No, that gnashing sound was probably people who are real victims of crimes commited in this country, who do not want their hard earned cash wasted on parents who couldn't be bothered with their children at  evening meal times in another country. I am surprised the PJ even allowed them to interfere/investigate. Naming people who MAY be is a gross miscarriage of justice IMO. They could not possibly get a fair trial. and where would this trial take place? yes the poor portuguese will have to cough up and pay for all that...

It is a Portuguese Case you know, as some are so fond of reminding us.  But they aren't very good at it, so Scotland Yard is helping them out in the recovery of a British Citizen abducted abroad.

Who knows what nationality the abductor has.  Crimes are prosecuted in the country in which they happen.  This is quite normal.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on June 10, 2019, 05:33:09 PM
It is a Portuguese Case you know, as some are so fond of reminding us.  But they aren't very good at it, so Scotland Yard is helping them out in the recovery of a British Citizen abducted abroad.

Who knows what nationality the abductor has.  Crimes are prosecuted in the country in which they happen.  This is quite normal.

Is that opinion or true,guess you being mod an all it must be true,it which case cite for definitely confirmed as an abduction please.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 10, 2019, 05:57:11 PM
No, that gnashing sound was probably people who are real victims of crimes commited in this country, who do not want their hard earned cash wasted on parents who couldn't be bothered with their children at  evening meal times in another country. I am surprised the PJ even allowed them to interfere/investigate. Naming people who MAY be is a gross miscarriage of justice IMO. They could not possibly get a fair trial. and where would this trial take place? yes the poor portuguese will have to cough up and pay for all that...
You think the money is being spent on the parents??  What a strange idea.  *%87
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 10, 2019, 06:01:09 PM
Is that opinion or true,guess you being mod an all it must be true,it which case cite for definitely confirmed as an abduction please.

Please don't be too silly.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Miss Taken Identity on June 10, 2019, 09:39:00 PM
It is a Portuguese Case you know, as some are so fond of reminding us.  But they aren't very good at it, so Scotland Yard is helping them out in the recovery of a British Citizen abducted abroad.

Who knows what nationality the abductor has.  Crimes are prosecuted in the country in which they happen.  This is quite normal.

Yes SY are very good at it.  Any minute now  even as we type...they have suspects 13 I believe last count.

Great move forward I agree- if it were true and the suspects were not just names handed over to keep the abductor theory in the loop.

ah well, never mind SY are the best of the best...(Giggles)
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on June 11, 2019, 09:40:42 AM
WARNING!

Some of the language that has been used recently towards members and moderators is totally unacceptable and has resulted in at least one temporary ban. Regular posters are very well aware of the forum rules so I shouldn't need to have to keep reminding of them. Everyone is entitled to voice their opinion here but it must be done respectfully, there can be no exceptions.

A challenge, let's try and get through today without the need for any moderation. TY   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: ShiningInLuz on June 24, 2019, 04:13:12 PM
This one might seem a bit of a stretch at first, but think it through.

A seemingly respected army officer, Nikos Metaxas, was sentenced to 7 terms of life imprisonment for abducting and killing 5 foreign women, plus two children.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48744157
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 24, 2019, 04:44:19 PM
This one might seem a bit of a stretch at first, but think it through.

A seemingly respected army officer, Nikos Metaxas, was sentenced to 7 terms of life imprisonment for abducting and killing 5 foreign women, plus two children.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-48744157
I've thought it through and cannot see how this news article pertains in any way to the latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann.  Perhaps you could explain?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: John on July 01, 2019, 11:17:52 AM
Moderation

I have this morning instructed all moderators to take a very strong line with posters who constantly breach the rules of this forum.  This sniping, goading, name calling and other various forms of disruption will cease. Posters who continue to flaunt the rules despite this warning will be subject to a ban without further notice.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on October 21, 2019, 12:40:25 AM
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10177250/madeleine-mccann-police-knife-crime/
20 Oct 2019, 22:30Updated: 20 Oct 2019, 22:37

SCOTLAND Yard’s hunt for Madeleine McCann is being led by a top murder cop already battling London’s knife crime epidemic, The Sun can reveal.

Det Chief Insp Mark Cranwell has recently been put in part-time charge of Operation Grange, which has cost taxpayers £12 MILLION to date.
He runs a tiny four-cop team trying to crack a case the Met has been investigating for EIGHT years.

So far it has not made a single arrest - yet was still granted another £300,000 by the Home Office in June.

Meanwhile police are trying desperately to turn back the tide on knife crime in the capital.

Shock figures showed blade offences had soared by seven per cent in the year to June, a record high.

DCI Cranwell is playing a leading role in trying to combat it - making a series of appeals to the public in a raft of recent teenage murders.

RECORD HIGH BLADE OFFENCES
On Tuesday he asked witnesses to come forward over the fatal stabbing of Ben Lines, 20, in Bexley, South East London, on Sunday.

Meanwhile a freedom of information request shows the Operation Grange team he leads is made up of four full-time detectives, including three constables and one sergeant.

The costs are being covered by Special Grant funding from the Home Office, usually available to police forces when they face significant or exceptional costs.

The £12million total spent already is more than double the £5million promised by David Cameron when Operation Grange was launched in May 2011. The task force at its height was 37-strong.

Tens of thousands of pounds have been spent on flights to Portugal and to investigate other sightings around the globe.

The Met said: “As of 30 September 2019, there are four officers working full time on Operation Grange; one Detective Sergeant, and three Detective Constables.

“The Senior Investigating Officer is Detective Chief Inspector (DCI) Mark Cranwell, who does not work full time on the investigation.

“DCI Cranwell reports to Commander Stuart Cundy from the Met’s Specialist Crime command, who has chief officer responsibility for Operation Grange.”

 Operation Grange, which was launched in 2011 to try find Madeleine McCann, has so far cost taxpayers £12million

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on October 21, 2019, 06:27:00 AM
Much as SIL thought on his blog with Wall no longer there,having probably retired.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: pathfinder73 on February 22, 2020, 11:06:14 PM
Madeleine McCann police quiz British expat barmaid over her German ex-boyfriend

Madeleine McCann police quiz British expat barmaid over her German ex-boyfriend

Police probing the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have quizzed a British barmaid about her German ex-boyfriend.

Carol Hickman, 59, was asked for information on Michael Jehle, 51, who lives near Praia da Luz – where Maddie, three, vanished in 2007.

But Mr Jehle insisted to the Sunday Mirror: “I don’t know about Maddie. Police know where I live.”

Barmaid Carol Hickman told of her shock today.

Expat Carol – who works at Kelly’s Bar just 450 metres from where Madeleine vanished on May 3, 2007 – said two plain-clothed officers acting for Scotland Yard asked about the German decorator.

They wanted phone numbers and any Facebook contact.

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The Sunday Mirror has learned another of his exes was quizzed in 2007 – and had her freezer searched.

As the mystery deepened yesterday, baffled Carol, 59, described Mr Jehle as “a friendly hippy”.

And when our team tracked him down he said he had nothing to hide.

Carol said officers from the Portuguese Judicial Police were trying to trace her ex and another of his old flames, a German woman.

Carol, 59, who has lived on the Algarve since 1997, told us: “They came into the bar and said ‘You can thank Her Majesty for this visit’.

"That’s when I knew they were from Scotland Yard. They asked if I could remember May 3, 2007.

“Of course I remember. I was in the bar and we had a call from friends saying a little girl had vanished. We went out on the search and we were out all night.”

Carol said the police visited her two weeks ago – first at the bar, followed by an interview at her home.

She went on: “They were asking about Madeleine and interested in my German ex-boyfriend.

"We were in an 18-month relationship, but at the time of Maddie’s disappearance hadn’t been together for years.

“There’s no reason to suspect him at all. I’m amazed I’m being asked about him. He was a friendly hippy.

"I just find it so strange, the whole thing. The police asked if I had any contact numbers or if I was friends on Facebook, but I’m not.”

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It is the second time Kelly’s Bar – a four-minute walk from the McCanns’ apartment – has been mentioned in the investigation.

On the night Madeleine vanished Martin Smith, from Co Louth, Ireland, was there with his family.

As they left they saw a man carrying a small blonde girl who they believe to be Madeleine.

Tonight, the memory remained vivid as Martin told the Sunday Mirror: “I’d say it was definitely the child.

"I’d say it definitely had to be. The place was very quiet at that time of year so I’d say it was definitely the child.”

The latest developments come as it is revealed for the first time that Scotland Yard detectives visited Portugal five times in 2019.

There is nothing to suggest Mr Jehle or the German woman are considered suspects.

It is thought they could help police obtain new information to help in the search.

Mr Jehle has been in Portugal since 1995 and now lives in Monte Novo, Bensafrim, 20 miles from Praia da Luz.

When the Mirror traced him he had no idea why officers had been talking to Carol. Mr Jehle said: “I don’t know anything about Maddie McCann.

“I lived in Praia da Luz for many years, then I moved. I don’t know why the police [are asking about Maddie].

"Everybody knows me, about three months ago people called me and said police were looking for me.

“They were looking for me for another reason. I had to go to court because I had a problem with a friend. This was nothing to do [with Maddie].

“[The police] know where I live, they have my phone number, they can call me.

"I was with Carol in 2004. It was only for one year. She works in Kelly’s Bar, she’s still a good friend of mine.

"I have another girlfriend now. I have had many girlfriends.”

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In 2007 another of Mr Jehle’s ex-partners told how she was quizzed by police.

She said then: “Six police, some British, entered my apartment. They told my boyfriend not to move while they looked under the bed.”

On a second visit they reportedly checked her freezer, cupboards and pantry.

She said police officers told her: “We are looking for Madeleine.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-police-quiz-british-21556263
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 07:17:50 PM
BBC BREAKING NEWS

A 43-year-old German prisoner who travelled around Portugal in a camper van is now the focus of Scotland Yard's investigation into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Police believe he was in the area where the three-year-old was last seen in May 2007.
They are appealing for information about the van and the suspect's other vehicle, a Jaguar.
The man transferred it to someone else's name the day after she vanished.
"Someone out there knows a lot more than they're letting on,"said DCI Mark Cranwell, who's leading the Met inquiry.
The force said it remained a "missing persons" investigation because it doesn't have "definitive evidence" as to whether Madeleine is alive or not.
However, German investigators at the Federal Criminal Police Office, the Bundeskriminalamt (BKA), have classed it as a "murder inquiry".
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Scotland Yard said the German authorities had taken the lead on this aspect of the case because the German suspect was in custody in their country.
Detectives said he was in jail for an "unrelated matter" and had "previous convictions", but they declined to supply more details.
'Critical' information
An appeal on German television was broadcast this evening at 19:15 BST.
DCI Cranwell said the prisoner, then aged 30, frequented the Algarve between 1995 and 2007, staying for "days upon end" in his camper van and living a "transient lifestyle".
He was in the Praia de Luz area where the McCann family was staying when she disappeared and received a phone call at 7.32pm, which ended at 8.02pm.
Police have released details of the suspect's phone number and the number he dialled saying any information about them could be "critical" to the inquiry.
They also want the person who called the suspect to come forward.
"They're a key witness and we urge them to get in touch," said DCI Cranwell.
"Some people will know the man we're describing today... you may be aware of some of the things he's done," he said.
"He may have confided in you about the disappearance of Madeleine.
"More than 13 years have passed and your loyalties may have changed," he added.
"Now is the time to come forward."
Police said the suspect was one of 600 people that detectives on the inquiry, known as Operation Grange, originally looked at, though he had not been a suspect.
After an appeal in 2017, "significant" fresh information about him was provided.
Since then, Met detectives have carried out "extensive inquiries" in Portugal and Germany in order to gather more details about him.
Scotland Yard said they were trying to "prove or disprove" his involvement in the case and retained an "open mind".
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 07:20:24 PM
Looks like the police rejected Holly’s theory  8(8-))
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 07:22:01 PM
https://www.itv.com/news/2020-06-03/german-suspect-identified-in-madeleine-mccann-disappearance/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 08:17:46 PM
LOL.  Was a time when such news would prick a modicum of interest on this forum.  Seems no one really cares now unless it’s the McCanns being banged up.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2020, 08:23:58 PM
Can't see there's a lot to be said.
This German prisoner was mentioned last year, so not exactly new news.
Lets see wait the German Crimewatch  turns up before getting excited.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 08:35:16 PM
Can't see there's a lot to be said.
This German prisoner was mentioned last year, so not exactly new news.
Lets see wait the German Crimewatch  turns up before getting excited.
The BBC considered it important enough news to send an alert to my phone.  That’s the first time I’ve ever had that happen wrt this case.  And at least we can once and for all put to bed any idea the the McCanns are still suspects though no doubt some stubborn saddoes will gain a crumb of comfort from the police’s comment that they are remaining “open minded” (aka “we know the parents dunnit really”).
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on June 03, 2020, 08:41:00 PM
Can't see there's a lot to be said.
This German prisoner was mentioned last year, so not exactly new news.
Lets see wait the German Crimewatch  turns up before getting excited.

Ah well.  There you go.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 09:00:52 PM
Can't see there's a lot to be said.
This German prisoner was mentioned last year, so not exactly new news.
Lets see wait the German Crimewatch  turns up before getting excited.

You must be kidding, right.

He was in PDL, owned a car & a campervan, he had a mobile phone, which he had the audacity to use.

This is seriously incriminating stuff. It must be him.

That's it, I'm convinced, I'll never say a bad word about the McCanns again.

I just hope the surveillance team rescue Maddie from her adoptive family soon.

Let's pray for her safe return  &%54% &%54% &%54%

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 03, 2020, 09:04:12 PM
"Police have identified a German paedophile as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.

The 43-year-old suspect, who has not been named by Scotland Yard, is currently serving a long prison sentence for unrelated offences in Germany.

The country’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is now leading the investigation, which it is treating as a murder inquiry.

German police said the suspect is a paedophile with multiple convictions, including for sexually abusing children.

He was living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and, as well as working in catering, burgled holiday apartments and hotels and trafficked drugs.

“There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left,” the BKA said in a statement.""
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-disappearance-missing-german-man-prison-a9547536.html

Has anyone with this profile been mentioned in the files?????
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 09:05:23 PM
We know that Kate and Gerry are kept in the loop concerning the police investigation into Madeleine's abduction.

They have known about this latest development since the tenth anniversary.

My heart goes out to them.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on June 03, 2020, 09:09:46 PM
Heri has opened a new thread ...  http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg595839#msg595839
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:10:22 PM
You must be kidding, right.

He was in PDL, owned a car & a campervan, he had a mobile phone, which he had the audacity to use.

This is seriously incriminating stuff. It must be him.

That's it, I'm convinced, I'll never say a bad word about the McCanns again.

I just hope the surveillance team rescue Maddie from her adoptive family soon.

Let's pray for her safe return  &%54% &%54% &%54%

Now you've pointed it out, you're absolutely right.  8((()*/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 09:11:14 PM
“There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left,” the BKA said in a statement.""


"The body."!!

This is outrageous. Maddie is alive until proven otherwise. Their insistence that she's dead might stop people from looking for her.  8)><(

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on June 03, 2020, 09:11:50 PM
"Police have identified a German paedophile as a suspect in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann 13 years ago.

The 43-year-old suspect, who has not been named by Scotland Yard, is currently serving a long prison sentence for unrelated offences in Germany.

The country’s Federal Criminal Police Office (BKA) is now leading the investigation, which it is treating as a murder inquiry.

German police said the suspect is a paedophile with multiple convictions, including for sexually abusing children.

He was living in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and, as well as working in catering, burgled holiday apartments and hotels and trafficked drugs.

“There is reason to assume that there are other persons, apart from the suspect, who have concrete knowledge of the course of the crime and maybe also of the place where the body was left,” the BKA said in a statement.""
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/madeleine-mccann-kidnapper-disappearance-missing-german-man-prison-a9547536.html

Has anyone with this profile been mentioned in the files?????

Certainly appears to rule out Tannerman and Spotyman for starters.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 09:12:25 PM
Now you've pointed it out, you're absolutely right.  8((()*/

I forgot to mention he is a paedo too, so it's definitely him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 10:58:50 PM
I forgot to mention he is a paedo too, so it's definitely him.
You also forgot to mention that he was a burglar as well as a child abuser who was in Praia Da Luz the evening Madeleine went missing and who the very next day got rid of his car.  Nothing to see here, move along, move along.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:01:40 PM
You also forgot to mention that he was a burglar as well as a child abuser who was in Praia Da Luz the evening Madeleine went missing and who the very next day got rid of his car.  Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

Well that's that then. Must be him. I don't know why the UK police are even considering keeping an open mind.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:12:01 PM
Well that's that then. Must be him. I don't know why the UK police are even considering keeping an open mind.
I realise that this is terribly galling for you and that explains why you are behaving like a sulky adolescent.  Perhaps it’s time for Mummy to read you a bedtime story and tuck you in.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:17:49 PM
I realise that this is terribly galling for you and that explains why you are behaving like a sulky adolescent.  Perhaps it’s time for Mummy to read you a bedtime story and tuck you in.

Since when am I behaving like a sulky adolescent?

I'm just doing what I normally do.

Mocking the suggestion that anyone other than the McCanns dunnit.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:20:12 PM
Since when am I behaving like a sulky adolescent?

I'm just doing what I normally do.

Mocking the suggestion that anyone other than the McCanns dunnit.
It’s time to grow up now, don’t you think?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:23:05 PM
It’s time to grow up now, don’t you think?

Maddie never will.

Why should I?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:24:41 PM
Maddie never will.

Why should I?
Because unlike her you have the opportunity to be a decent grown up if you so choose. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on June 03, 2020, 11:26:44 PM
Because unlike her you have the opportunity to be a decent grown up if you so choose.

How do you know Maddie isn't a decent grown up?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 03, 2020, 11:46:50 PM
How do you know Maddie isn't a decent grown up?
Because she is almost certainly dead, IMO.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on June 07, 2020, 11:16:04 PM
Because she is almost certainly dead, IMO.

Ooops, that doesn't go along with my thinking VS

I think that she is likely still alive.  Stolen to order by a small gang … the whole abduction planned and commissioned by a very rich and powerful man … and probably living a very decent life now.


I think this Christian Bruekner is probably one of the gang … but to be fair, I don't know.

But then, unlike Wonderfulspam, I always know that I could be wrong
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Billy Whizz Fan Club on June 08, 2020, 01:30:11 AM
You also forgot to mention that he was a burglar as well as a child abuser who was in Praia Da Luz the evening Madeleine went missing and who the very next day got rid of his car.  Nothing to see here, move along, move along.

He didm't get rid of the car. He reportedly registered it in a different name. Unfounded accusations reported as fact in this case could get you in bother with Clarence Mitchell.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on June 09, 2020, 12:13:37 PM
MADELEINE McCann cops have no clue where her body is buried but do know how she was killed, it is claimed.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/11816386/madeleine-mccann-cops-body-killed/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Erngath on June 11, 2020, 11:16:09 PM
Not news about Madeleine but her grandmother Eileen has died.
How sad for the McCann family like many families who have to deal with not only a death but have the funeral restrictions at this time.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on June 11, 2020, 11:33:54 PM
Not news about Madeleine but her grandmother Eileen has died.
How sad for the McCann family like many families who have to deal with not only a death but have the funeral restrictions at this time.
How sad that she never saw justice done for her granddaughter either.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on July 10, 2020, 09:58:04 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/amp/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html?__twitter_impression=true


By Natalia Penza For Mailonline
21:35 10 Jul 2020, updated 21:51 10 Jul 2020

Portuguese police reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body
Searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, Algarve
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'
Evidence proves suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for disappearance
Portuguese police have reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body on the Algarve.

The searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, a 20 minute drive west of Praia da Luz where the British youngster vanished in May 2007.

Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is saying detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence' to be able to prove suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for her disappearance.

The broadcaster has also linked the German 43-year-old to another missing persons' case in the Algarve resort of Silves. More details are expected to be revealed later.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:00:00 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/amp/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html?__twitter_impression=true


By Natalia Penza For Mailonline
21:35 10 Jul 2020, updated 21:51 10 Jul 2020

Portuguese police reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body
Searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, Algarve
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'
Evidence proves suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for disappearance
Portuguese police have reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body on the Algarve.

The searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, a 20 minute drive west of Praia da Luz where the British youngster vanished in May 2007.

Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is saying detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence' to be able to prove suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for her disappearance.

The broadcaster has also linked the German 43-year-old to another missing persons' case in the Algarve resort of Silves. More details are expected to be revealed later.
is that Portuguese detectives saying they. have “fundamental evidence” on Bruckner?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on July 10, 2020, 10:04:50 PM
is that Portuguese detectives saying they. have “fundamental evidence” on Bruckner?

Not sure, VS but I think it probably means German police.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:04:59 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/amp/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html?__twitter_impression=true


By Natalia Penza For Mailonline
21:35 10 Jul 2020, updated 21:51 10 Jul 2020

Portuguese police reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body
Searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, Algarve
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'
Evidence proves suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for disappearance
Portuguese police have reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body on the Algarve.

The searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, a 20 minute drive west of Praia da Luz where the British youngster vanished in May 2007.

Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is saying detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence' to be able to prove suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for her disappearance.

The broadcaster has also linked the German 43-year-old to another missing persons' case in the Algarve resort of Silves. More details are expected to be revealed later.

Oh Dear.  But let's not give up hope just yet.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 10, 2020, 10:10:44 PM
Oh Dear.  But let's not give up hope just yet.
I'm struggling.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:18:57 PM
I'm struggling.

I am not.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on July 10, 2020, 10:20:28 PM
Map of Western Algarve.

Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:28:29 PM
Not sure, VS but I think it probably means German police.
It’s ambiguous isn’t it?  Whatever the evidence it must be something to get the Pj off their backsides to go and investigate.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 10:42:12 PM
It’s ambiguous isn’t it?  Whatever the evidence it must be something to get the Pj off their backsides to go and investigate.

The PJ are searching Wells.  Goodness me.  It has taken them 13 years to get around to that.  I am beyond disgust.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 10, 2020, 10:50:27 PM
How long before we have people on here suggesting the McCanns took a detour to Vila Do Bispo en route to Huelva?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: VIXTE on July 10, 2020, 10:51:15 PM
My heart is breaking, hope someone is helping her parents right now.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 10, 2020, 11:11:01 PM
My heart is breaking, hope someone is helping her parents right now.

Don't allow your heart to break.  You will be useless if you do.

Something awful was going on and it is tough old cookies like you and me that fix it in the end.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on July 11, 2020, 08:22:34 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/amp/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html?__twitter_impression=true


By Natalia Penza For Mailonline
21:35 10 Jul 2020, updated 21:51 10 Jul 2020

Portuguese police reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body
Searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, Algarve
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'
Evidence proves suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for disappearance
Portuguese police have reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body on the Algarve.

The searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, a 20 minute drive west of Praia da Luz where the British youngster vanished in May 2007.

Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is saying detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence' to be able to prove suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for her disappearance.

The broadcaster has also linked the German 43-year-old to another missing persons' case in the Algarve resort of Silves. More details are expected to be revealed later.

Vila do Bispo, Algarve ,not the Germans place then?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:46:56 AM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8511639/amp/Portuguese-police-launch-search-Madeleine-McCanns-body-Algarve.html?__twitter_impression=true


By Natalia Penza For Mailonline
21:35 10 Jul 2020, updated 21:51 10 Jul 2020

Portuguese police reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body
Searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, Algarve
State broadcaster RTP said detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence'
Evidence proves suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for disappearance
Portuguese police have reportedly launched searches for Madeleine Mcann's body on the Algarve.

The searches are said to have been conducted in wells in Vila do Bispo, a 20 minute drive west of Praia da Luz where the British youngster vanished in May 2007.

Portuguese state broadcaster RTP is saying detectives discovered 'fundamental evidence' to be able to prove suspect Christian Brueckner is responsible for her disappearance.

The broadcaster has also linked the German 43-year-old to another missing persons' case in the Algarve resort of Silves. More details are expected to be revealed later.

That's a new location, Vila do Bispo hasn't been mentioned before. It does crop up in the PJ files in connection with the McCanns. On 26th July Gerry travels from Washington USA back to Portugal. Kate picks him up from the airport and they arrive in Luz at 18:24. At 19:05 Gerry's phone pings the antennae in Vila do Bispo, so he seems to have travelled there almost immediately after arriving back in Luz. He didn't stay there, as he pinged the antennae at Budens at 19:10, and Praia da Luz at 19:49. Budens is pinged on 27th and 28th also.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 08:53:08 AM
How long before we have people on here suggesting the McCanns took a detour to Vila Do Bispo en route to Huelva?

Why would they do that? It's in the opposite direction.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 09:05:59 AM
That's a new location, Vila do Bispo hasn't been mentioned before. It does crop up in the PJ files in connection with the McCanns. On 26th July Gerry travels from Washington USA back to Portugal. Kate picks him up from the airport and they arrive in Luz at 18:24. At 19:05 Gerry's phone pings the antennae in Vila do Bispo, so he seems to have travelled there almost immediately after arriving back in Luz. He didn't stay there, as he pinged the antennae at Budens at 19:10, and Praia da Luz at 19:49. Budens is pinged on 27th and 28th also.
https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

Amazing what snippets turn up in the files.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: kizzy on July 11, 2020, 09:15:44 AM
Why would they do that? It's in the opposite direction.

It is to CB 3 places all to the east PDL

Searches 20 minute drive WEST of PDL.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 10:12:09 AM
Wonder if PJ logged any more phone pings in that area between May & July
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on July 11, 2020, 10:18:09 AM
Wonder if PJ logged any more phone pings in that area between May & July

One G McCann on the 26th July.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 10:21:42 AM
One G McCann on the 26th July.

Yes, I meant besides that one.

If her body was deposited there, then further phone logging in the area at that might be expected.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 10:24:29 AM
Would members please move discussion to an appropriate thread and leave this one free for notifications of the Latest News.  Thank you.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 11:13:46 AM
Why would they do that? It's in the opposite direction.
Well you've just linked the McCanns to VdB in your previous post so I wasn't far wrong was I?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 11:34:43 AM
Well you've just linked the McCanns to VdB in your previous post so I wasn't far wrong was I?

The phone records linked them, not me.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 12:05:05 PM
The phone records linked them, not me.
You drew attention to it, you're making the link between what is in the files and current searches for a body in VdB. I guessed this would happen, and I was right.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 06:52:18 PM
You drew attention to it, you're making the link between what is in the files and current searches for a body in VdB. I guessed this would happen, and I was right.

The link between the McCanns, Vila do Bispo and Budens has been discussed for years.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:08:42 PM
The link between the McCanns, Vila do Bispo and Budens has been discussed for years.
Cite to a discussion about it on this forum?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 07:34:00 PM
The link between the McCanns, Vila do Bispo and Budens has been discussed for years.

Dear God in heaven ... are there no shameful depths to be overlooked in the continuing vilification of this family whose suffering at the moment must be more than flesh and blood can bear.

I have never seen either Vila do Bispo or Budens discussed on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - why on earth would it have been? ... if it has been discussed as prolifically as you say please have the courtesy to provide a cite substantiating your claim.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 11, 2020, 07:51:46 PM
Dear God in heaven ... are there no shameful depths to be overlooked in the continuing vilification of this family whose suffering at the moment must be more than flesh and blood can bear.

I have never seen either Vila do Bispo or Budens discussed on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - why on earth would it have been? ... if it has been discussed as prolifically as you say please have the courtesy to provide a cite substantiating your claim.
As a serious researcher G-Unit must now be kicking herself that she did not start a thread on this forum to discuss the link between the McCanns and VdB. 
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 11, 2020, 07:58:50 PM
Dear God in heaven ... are there no shameful depths to be overlooked in the continuing vilification of this family whose suffering at the moment must be more than flesh and blood can bear.

I have never seen either Vila do Bispo or Budens discussed on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - why on earth would it have been? ... if it has been discussed as prolifically as you say please have the courtesy to provide a cite substantiating your claim.

Why not? Seems a strange thing for him to do hot-foot from a transatlantic flight.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 11, 2020, 09:38:10 PM
Dear God in heaven ... are there no shameful depths to be overlooked in the continuing vilification of this family whose suffering at the moment must be more than flesh and blood can bear.

I have never seen either Vila do Bispo or Budens discussed on this forum or anywhere else for that matter - why on earth would it have been? ... if it has been discussed as prolifically as you say please have the courtesy to provide a cite substantiating your claim.

http://fytton.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-triangle-and-kates-dream.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 11, 2020, 10:20:04 PM
http://fytton.blogspot.com/2015/09/the-triangle-and-kates-dream.html

Oh dear ... THAT says it all.  And I don't mean about the McCanns.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 21, 2020, 10:09:33 PM
Did anyone know about this?
https://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week30/madeleine-mccann-hunt-prime-suspect
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: G-Unit on July 21, 2020, 11:00:44 PM
Did anyone know about this?
https://www.itv.com/presscentre/ep1week30/madeleine-mccann-hunt-prime-suspect

Yes.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg610350#msg610350
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on July 21, 2020, 11:20:59 PM
Yes.

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=11585.msg610350#msg610350
Ah yes.  I see it’s being rubbished already, as expected.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Eleanor on July 22, 2020, 12:00:52 AM
Ah yes.  I see it’s being rubbished already, as expected.

Thar ya go.  What else?  But I suppose it keeps us all going.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: IndigoJ on July 26, 2020, 09:01:30 AM
I think they have the guy who did it, a lot of circumstantial evidence, he is a very good suspect for this , I hope they charge him.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on July 26, 2020, 09:05:31 AM
I think they have the guy who did it, a lot of circumstantial evidence, he is a very good suspect for this , I hope they charge him.


Me too.
I'm keen to hear this concrete evidence that the Germans claim they have.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: sadie on July 26, 2020, 05:47:39 PM

Me too.
I'm keen to hear this concrete evidence that the Germans claim they have.

We don't know for sure …. and I just hope that they are not jumping the gun  and in so doing messing up SY's in depth investigation.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on July 26, 2020, 06:33:00 PM
We don't know for sure …. and I just hope that they are not jumping the gun  and in so doing messing up SY's in depth investigation.
They are all under the the same time restraints imposed by the Portuguese statutes of limitations.   Can the investigation and trial happen after the time limit is up?
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on July 28, 2020, 11:53:11 AM
Police search near Hanover linked to Madeleine McCann disappearance

Tuesday, July 28th, 2020 11:37am

German police investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann are searching a site near Hanover, prosecutors have told local media.

Footage from the scene shows heavy machinery being used in the search.

Sky News

© Sky News 2020
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on August 15, 2020, 09:49:25 AM
New interviewwith Robbyn Swan, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQbzSpIIW9s 
'Someone knows what happened to Madeleine'


Explains the legal tangle around CB.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Robittybob1 on December 06, 2020, 04:36:05 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9015365/Scotland-Yard-WONT-end-Madeleine-McCann-investigation.html?fbclid=IwAR0qrZE1BKLa7GesqV_cx6bWp7ZS_xM90kArdmNg2kTCST-2W-4r7kQJBbI

The investigation carries on regardless.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on January 02, 2021, 01:26:51 AM
Madeleine McCann's parents say search has been hit by Covid but still have 'hope'
In a New Year message posted online today Kate and Gerry wrote how the search for the missing youngster, who vanished in 2007, was "forced to slow down" during the pandemic

ByTracey Kandohla
12:33, 1 JAN 2021

Madeleine McCann's parents said the search for the missing youngster has been hampered by coronavirus - but they still have hope going into 2021.

In a New Year message posted online today Kate and Gerry write: "Understandably, the investigation to find Madeleine has been forced to slow down as a result of the pandemic.

"It hasn’t stopped however and the hope, energy and determination to find her and uncover the truth remain steadfast.”

The couple also reveal how they have both lost parents during 2020 - two of Maddie’s three grandparents who sadly passed away without ever knowing her fate.

In an personal post on both the official Find Maddie website and the Campaign Facebook page, Kate and Gerry thank their supporters and well wishers for continuing to be by their side.

They write: "We are very grateful for the continued support, especially throughout this ‘rubbish’ year and for all the Christmas wishes too. Thank you.”

Heart doctor Gerry and hospital medic Kate, both 52, from Rothley, Leicestershire, who faced their 14th Christmas without Maddie, open their message by saying: "Goodbye 2020! What a year! One we don’t want to remember but will find it hard to forget.”

They add: “There’s no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation. Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has suffered this year. Let’s hope 2021 is a brighter, more positive one. With our best wishes for exactly that. Kate & Gerry.”


Three-year-old Maddie vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007 while her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with pals. She had been left sleeping alone with her younger twin siblings.

Kate and Gerry cling onto a glimmer of hope that Maddie - who would now be 17 - is still alive.

In early June last year German Police sensationally named jailed sex offender Christian Brueckner as a new key suspect in Maddie’s abduction.

Prosecutors recently said they were “very confident” of charging him in the New Year and said the public "would reach the same conclusion if they knew the evidence we had.” They are convinced Maddie is dead.


German national Christian B, 43, is currently behind bars for unrelated drugs offences and raping an American pensioner in 2005 in the same Algarve resort Maddie was snatched from nearly two years later.

At the time the prime suspect came to light, the McCann’s said in a statement: "All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.

"We would like to thank the general public for their ongoing support and encourage anyone who has information directly related to the appeal, to contact the police.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-search-23247932
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 08:22:28 AM
Someone needs to tell Tracy Kandohla that CB isn’t the main or prime suspect, but just another “person of interest”.   
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: barrier on January 02, 2021, 10:27:12 AM
Madeleine McCann's parents say search has been hit by Covid but still have 'hope'
In a New Year message posted online today Kate and Gerry wrote how the search for the missing youngster, who vanished in 2007, was "forced to slow down" during the pandemic

ByTracey Kandohla
12:33, 1 JAN 2021

Madeleine McCann's parents said the search for the missing youngster has been hampered by coronavirus - but they still have hope going into 2021.

In a New Year message posted online today Kate and Gerry write: "Understandably, the investigation to find Madeleine has been forced to slow down as a result of the pandemic.

"It hasn’t stopped however and the hope, energy and determination to find her and uncover the truth remain steadfast.”

The couple also reveal how they have both lost parents during 2020 - two of Maddie’s three grandparents who sadly passed away without ever knowing her fate.

In an personal post on both the official Find Maddie website and the Campaign Facebook page, Kate and Gerry thank their supporters and well wishers for continuing to be by their side.

They write: "We are very grateful for the continued support, especially throughout this ‘rubbish’ year and for all the Christmas wishes too. Thank you.”

Heart doctor Gerry and hospital medic Kate, both 52, from Rothley, Leicestershire, who faced their 14th Christmas without Maddie, open their message by saying: "Goodbye 2020! What a year! One we don’t want to remember but will find it hard to forget.”

They add: “There’s no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation. Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to.

"Our thoughts and prayers are with everyone who has suffered this year. Let’s hope 2021 is a brighter, more positive one. With our best wishes for exactly that. Kate & Gerry.”


Three-year-old Maddie vanished from a holiday apartment in Praia da Luz, Portugal, in May 2007 while her parents were dining in a nearby tapas restaurant with pals. She had been left sleeping alone with her younger twin siblings.

Kate and Gerry cling onto a glimmer of hope that Maddie - who would now be 17 - is still alive.

In early June last year German Police sensationally named jailed sex offender Christian Brueckner as a new key suspect in Maddie’s abduction.

Prosecutors recently said they were “very confident” of charging him in the New Year and said the public "would reach the same conclusion if they knew the evidence we had.” They are convinced Maddie is dead.


German national Christian B, 43, is currently behind bars for unrelated drugs offences and raping an American pensioner in 2005 in the same Algarve resort Maddie was snatched from nearly two years later.

At the time the prime suspect came to light, the McCann’s said in a statement: "All we have ever wanted is to find her, uncover the truth and bring those responsible to justice. We will never give up hope of finding Madeleine alive but whatever the outcome may be, we need to know as we need to find peace.

"We would like to thank the general public for their ongoing support and encourage anyone who has information directly related to the appeal, to contact the police.”

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-search-23247932


From the article, what a load of rollux,covid hasn't impacted the German investigation at all.Prime suspect lest its forgot.

Madeleine McCann's parents say search has been hit by Covid but still have 'hope'
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 02, 2021, 11:10:27 AM

From the article, what a load of rollux,covid hasn't impacted the German investigation at all.Prime suspect lest its forgot.

Madeleine McCann's parents say search has been hit by Covid but still have 'hope'

Perhaps the German police ran out of PPE & it was essential they be within 2 metres of Brueckner during questioning.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: jassi on January 02, 2021, 11:13:32 AM
Talk about a misleading headline - https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/01/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-hope-to-find-her-remains-13835803/
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 02, 2021, 11:33:06 AM
Talk about a misleading headline - https://metro.co.uk/2021/01/01/madeleine-mccanns-parents-say-hope-to-find-her-remains-13835803/
That headline could be read two ways - perhaps the headline writer was having a sick joke.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Wonderfulspam on January 02, 2021, 12:00:04 PM
That headline could be read two ways - perhaps the headline writer was having a sick joke.

That's what I pointed out, but alas, a moderator disagreed with the way I said it.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Brietta on January 04, 2021, 06:12:19 PM
What's next for Maddie this year?
by: KAI FELDHAUS published on
January 04, 2021 - 2:51 PM

Leicester - For nearly six months, Kate and Gerry McCann, the parents of Maddie, then 3, who disappeared in 2007, have not spoken publicly.

Now they returned to Facebook with New Year's greetings. The investigation into her missing daughter's case had "slowed down" in 2020 because of the pandemic, the parents write: "But they didn't stop. Hope, energy and determination to find Madeleine and reveal the truth remain unwavering."

What do the McCanns mean by that?

The fact is that in 2020, the Maddie case has made more progress than in the previous 13 years. It has been known since June that there is a new main suspect. The Braunschweig Public Prosecutor's Office assumes that Christian B. (44) kidnapped and murdered Maddie. Prosecutor Hans Christian Wolters says there is "material evidence" for this , but apparently not enough (yet) to charge Christian B. with murder.

The fact is that since it became known that investigators consider Christian B. to be the perpetrator, not much has happened - at least publicly. Hundreds of clues are processed internally. In Hanover a small garden was searched, in Portugal several wells. Investigators from BKA, Scotland Yard and Policia Judicial also met there in the autumn for exchange and coordination.

The fact is that the investigation seems to be "slowed down" to the outside world, may be mainly due to the fact that the investigators have gained time. Since a rape conviction against Christian B. in 2019 became final in November, it is clear that B. will also spend the next seven years behind bars. Bringing the Maddie case to justice is no longer in a hurry: the suspect will not be able to dive and murder will not be time-barred.

What does Maddie's parents expect in the new year?

It is to be assumed that there will not be an indictment in the Maddie case until the prosecution considers the burden of proof to be so overwhelming that it can be sure that Christian B. would be convicted. It is not yet.

More likely, B. will be charged this year for other crimes that have come to light during the Maddie investigation. Witnesses must be heard for this, presumably also abroad. This is currently difficult because of the current travel restrictions.

As soon as the Corona restrictions are relaxed, the investigation against Christian B. is likely to resume.

So that 2021 - as Kate and Gerry McCann wish for themselves and everyone else - will be "brighter and more positive."
https://www.bild.de/news/ausland/news-ausland/mccanns-melden-sich-zu-wort-das-erwartet-maddies-eltern-2021-74734818.bild.html
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on January 23, 2021, 11:02:30 PM
Child murderer Martin Ney to be questioned for second time over Madeleine McCann’s disappearance
Nick Pisa23 Jan 2021,
A MULTIPLE child murderer is set to be questioned a second time over Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

German Martin Ney, 49, was extradited to France on Friday to be quizzed over another killing.

⚠️ Click here for the latest news on Madeleine McCann

A multiple child murderer is set to be questioned a second time over Madeleine McCann’s disappearance
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A multiple child murderer is set to be questioned a second time over Madeleine McCann’s disappearanceCredit: Handout
Martin Ney was grilled in 2007 as he fitted the description of a man seen near where Madeleine went missing
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Martin Ney was grilled in 2007 as he fitted the description of a man seen near where Madeleine went missing
TV station RTL claimed Scotland Yard, after reviewing evidence, had suggested he be re-interviewed over Madeleine.

Ney was grilled in 2007 as he fitted the description of a man seen near the Praia da Luz apartment on Portugal’s Algarve from where Madeleine, then three, went missing in 2007.

She was on holiday with parents Kate and Gerry.

Ney, who denies involvement in Madeleine’s disappearance, is serving life for three murders.

He will be quizzed this week in Nantes over the 2004 murder of a boy of ten.

It comes after jailed paedophile Christian B, 44, was named in Germany last June as the prime suspect in Madeleine’s case.

He raped a woman, 72, in Praia da Luz in 2001
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: misty on January 23, 2021, 11:43:50 PM
Link to the murder MN will reportedly be questioned about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jonathan_Coulom
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Venturi Swirl on May 24, 2021, 11:33:22 AM
old news deleted.
Title: Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
Post by: Carana on May 27, 2021, 07:38:22 AM
They add: “There’s no doubt that 2020 has been tough for most people, and often distressing, with so much loss, worry and isolation. Despite losing a parent each, we are aware we have been more fortunate than many, with our family unit at home and jobs to go to.

Sad. ;(