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Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3915 on: November 16, 2014, 01:12:04 PM »
@ Sadie (I think your comment got mixed up with Anna's post).

I'm not sure what's going on with these fresh DNA samples.

- The article could be inaccurate and they are only going to collect DNA samples from those who hadn't given swabs previously.

- DNA wouldn't "go off", AFAIK, but it could become contaminated if not properly collected or degraded if not properly stored. The issue of potential degradation may not be relevant in this instance if the profile had already been established and the INML seems highly professional from what I can gather. If it had become contaminated when collected by the PJ, that would be a different matter.

The legal issues surrounding forensic DNA in PT seem quite complicated. Here's a paper from a well-known Portuguese academic, Helena Machado.

http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/genewatch-forensic-dna/arguido-or-no-the-portuguese-dna-database/





Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3916 on: November 16, 2014, 01:24:17 PM »
DNA collection could be an issue. A CSI manual for the PJ wasn't even launched until mid 2009.


20 May 2009
PJ Laboratory receives 24 thousand requests per year



by Joana de Belém

The PJ’s Scientific Police Laboratory (SPL) receives one hundred and fifty requests for tests per day, which sum up to two thousand every month. Last year, the SPL received 24 thousand requests. The waiting time “is high”, admits the director of the Scientific Police National Laboratory, where approximately two hundred people work. An “activity that faces the difficulty of the lack of resources and the response within useful time”, says Carlos Farinha.

Nevertheless, the same senior official, who spoke yesterday during the 4th National Congress for Criminology, in Oporto, noted that the Portuguese lab was rated, in an international study whose results were known last week, the sixth best among a total of 71 bodies.

Carlos Farinha also mentioned that the increase in television series like CSI creates some equivocations. “We’re not as good looking as they are, but the main difference is the time notion”, not only as far as test results are concerned but also concerning the data that investigators have access to. “Nobody accesses that much information at the simple touch of a button. Apart from that, if any policeman could access information in that manner, we’d have a big brother, a society without balance between justice and freedom”, the investigator stressed.

Today, at the Polícia Judiciária’s School, in Lisbon, a crime scene practises manual is launched, establishing rules on how to enter, how to mark the investigators’ passage, how to photograph and/or draw a crime scene, among other procedures. “The potentialities in the collection of a certain type of residues are incommensurably different today from what they were years ago”, said Carlos Farinha, according to whom “nowadays the level of collection of elements on location is scarily superior”. Hence, he adds, the need to “reorganise and think about the manner to proceed on a crime scene”.

When questioned about a possible connection between the launch of this manual and the allegedly careless manner how policemen entered, two years ago, into the room of Madeleine McCann – the little English girl that disappeared in the Algarve, in 2007 -, Farrinha asserts that “it’s a reducing perspective”. “I’m not associating this to anything at all”, he concluded.

Presently, the laboratory develops efforts to improve the photofits of missing persons, namely their adjustment to physiognomic changes that take place.

Still during the congress, inspector Jorge Duarte explained the change in the profile of the computer criminal. The first protagonists, in the 90s [the so-called hackers] “weren’t seen as criminals but rather as geniuses, were between 14 and 24 years old, students, generally middle class”. The “social profile has changed, the age has stretched to 34, it includes medium level professionals and re-offenders”, the member of the PJ’s High Technology Criminal Investigation unit explained, adding that, due to the easiness in escaping justice, the number of re-offenders tends to increase over time.

Maria Carneiro, a service chief at the Forensics Medicine Institute, mentioned the few cases of homicidal women. “Women are not as criminal in violent terms as men and the cases where they kill for pleasure are extremely rare”. When that happens, “those are cases of serious psychopathology and generally not imputable”, she concludes.


source: Diário de Notícias, 20.05.2009

Offline sadie

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3917 on: November 16, 2014, 01:27:55 PM »
@ Sadie (I think your comment got mixed up with Anna's post).

I'm not sure what's going on with these fresh DNA samples.

- The article could be inaccurate and they are only going to collect DNA samples from those who hadn't given swabs previously.

- DNA wouldn't "go off", AFAIK, but it could become contaminated if not properly collected or degraded if not properly stored. The issue of potential degradation may not be relevant in this instance if the profile had already been established and the INML seems highly professional from what I can gather. If it had become contaminated when collected by the PJ, that would be a different matter.

The legal issues surrounding forensic DNA in PT seem quite complicated. Here's a paper from a well-known Portuguese academic, Helena Machado.

http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/genewatch-forensic-dna/arguido-or-no-the-portuguese-dna-database/
Thanks Carana.  Maybe SY think they may be contaminated?  Why else would they want to them again ?

Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3918 on: November 16, 2014, 01:37:23 PM »
Thanks Carana.  Maybe SY think they may be contaminated?  Why else would they want to them again ?

That's a possibility, but the other is that the article isn't accurate - i.e., that DNA samples were to be collected from people who hadn't yet been asked to give one. Seeing as it's the Mirror, I find the latter possibility quite plausible.

Offline Anna

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3919 on: November 17, 2014, 11:29:02 AM »
The Inquisitr
 November 16, 2014

Are Madeleine McCann Detectives Quizzing The Right Suspects?


Madeleine McCann vanished over seven years ago, but the investigation surrounding what happened to her is an ongoing endeavor that has cost British taxpayers at least £10 Million (which is more than $15.6 Million in USD). Over the course of the past several years Scotland Yard detectives have interrogated a seemingly countless number of suspects, and the number just keeps growing. The Sunday Express reports that a British gardener is among the expats that detectives have recently quizzed, but he has “strongly denied” any presumed connection to the missing child’s disappearance. The Daily Mail also confirms that the self employed gardener has been questioned by police, but his identity isn’t being revealed through any media reports.

The gardener is one of at least five new potential suspects Scotland Yard has intended to question in regards to Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance. However, he was already questioned in the past, and even cooperated with being DNA swabbed the same year the child vanished. The only DNA ever found in the Algarve apartment where Madeleine disappeared belonged to her and her family members. With SY detectives focusing on so many potential suspects — including a high number of British expats — could they suspect that multiple people are involved with the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann? If multiple people orchestrated and executed the abduction of the little girl, then how have they managed to do so without leaving behind any forensic evidence at the scene of the alleged crime or anywhere else? It seems that officials believe that forensic evidence has been left behind, but up until recently the technology needed to detect it did not exist.

The Mirror reported earlier in October that there are renewed hopes that a presumed captor’s DNA will be found at the source of Madeleine’s disappearance. Forensic experts with Scotland Yard want to use a “new technique” to look for DNA in the curtains that were hanging in the room where the McCann children slept. The curtains have been in sterile storage for the past few years, and agents believe that they are preserved well enough to extract any forensic evidence. They hope that at least traces of a captor’s DNA will be found, but the window itself never showed evidence of an intrusion — just Kate McCann’s fingerprints. This fact was once widely reported by the mainstream media, but is documented on the McCann Files website.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann has drawn mixed feelings from the public, which can be clearly seen by taking a look on social media. The hashtag #McCann on Twitter is active 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with conversation and debate about the case — some of which gets extremely heated. In fact, social media has played a huge role in showing the polarity between those who believe a stranger kidnapped the child versus those who believe that there is evidence against the parents. There are also people who simply believe that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving the little girl alone, and they believe this facilitated the final outcome, whether a stranger kidnapped the girl or not.

While members of the public debate the case, Scotland Yard has apparently cut back on the number of detectives used in Operation Grange. This was announced at the same time that agents declared that they would be interviewing more potential suspects. If the latest developments are connected, what is the strategy? Perhaps investigators believe they are getting closer to the right suspects in the search for Madeleine McCann.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1613738/are-madeleine-mccann-detectives-quizzing-the-right-suspects/



 

“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Carana

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3920 on: November 17, 2014, 01:52:16 PM »
The Inquisitr
 November 16, 2014

Are Madeleine McCann Detectives Quizzing The Right Suspects?


Madeleine McCann vanished over seven years ago, but the investigation surrounding what happened to her is an ongoing endeavor that has cost British taxpayers at least £10 Million (which is more than $15.6 Million in USD). Over the course of the past several years Scotland Yard detectives have interrogated a seemingly countless number of suspects, and the number just keeps growing. The Sunday Express reports that a British gardener is among the expats that detectives have recently quizzed, but he has “strongly denied” any presumed connection to the missing child’s disappearance. The Daily Mail also confirms that the self employed gardener has been questioned by police, but his identity isn’t being revealed through any media reports.

The gardener is one of at least five new potential suspects Scotland Yard has intended to question in regards to Madeleine’s 2007 disappearance. However, he was already questioned in the past, and even cooperated with being DNA swabbed the same year the child vanished. The only DNA ever found in the Algarve apartment where Madeleine disappeared belonged to her and her family members. With SY detectives focusing on so many potential suspects — including a high number of British expats — could they suspect that multiple people are involved with the kidnapping of Madeleine McCann? If multiple people orchestrated and executed the abduction of the little girl, then how have they managed to do so without leaving behind any forensic evidence at the scene of the alleged crime or anywhere else? It seems that officials believe that forensic evidence has been left behind, but up until recently the technology needed to detect it did not exist.

The Mirror reported earlier in October that there are renewed hopes that a presumed captor’s DNA will be found at the source of Madeleine’s disappearance. Forensic experts with Scotland Yard want to use a “new technique” to look for DNA in the curtains that were hanging in the room where the McCann children slept. The curtains have been in sterile storage for the past few years, and agents believe that they are preserved well enough to extract any forensic evidence. They hope that at least traces of a captor’s DNA will be found, but the window itself never showed evidence of an intrusion — just Kate McCann’s fingerprints. This fact was once widely reported by the mainstream media, but is documented on the McCann Files website.

The disappearance of Madeleine McCann has drawn mixed feelings from the public, which can be clearly seen by taking a look on social media. The hashtag #McCann on Twitter is active 24 hours a day, seven days a week, with conversation and debate about the case — some of which gets extremely heated. In fact, social media has played a huge role in showing the polarity between those who believe a stranger kidnapped the child versus those who believe that there is evidence against the parents. There are also people who simply believe that Kate and Gerry McCann were negligent in leaving the little girl alone, and they believe this facilitated the final outcome, whether a stranger kidnapped the girl or not.

While members of the public debate the case, Scotland Yard has apparently cut back on the number of detectives used in Operation Grange. This was announced at the same time that agents declared that they would be interviewing more potential suspects. If the latest developments are connected, what is the strategy? Perhaps investigators believe they are getting closer to the right suspects in the search for Madeleine McCann.

http://www.inquisitr.com/1613738/are-madeleine-mccann-detectives-quizzing-the-right-suspects/

Thanks, Anna.

I find the article (whatever happened to bylines?) to be neutral in tone, but some of the extrapolation is based on a mistaken assumption of fact:

The only DNA ever found in the Algarve apartment where Madeleine disappeared belonged to her and her family members.

That is not true. It's therefore misleading, although quite possibly unintentionally so.


Offline Anna

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3921 on: November 17, 2014, 07:39:27 PM »
.....The story changes again..

Algarve Daily News

British expat questioned by police in Madeline investigation

 Created: 16 November 2014

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An Algarve-based British expat has been questioned in Faro by Portuguese and British police about his movements on the evening when Madeleine McCann disappeared from an apartament in Praia da Luz in 2007.

The British man is alleged to have been working near the holiday apartment rented by Kate and Gerry McCann and had given a statement to police at the time of the original investigation.

Police are focusing on the hours between 7pm to 9.30pm as Madeleine’s parents dined with friends at the Ocean Club after their children, Madeleine and her then two-year old brothers, had been put to bed.

The gardener/handyman has been interviewed by British and Portuguese police officers in Faro.

The interviewee has lived in the Algarve for over ten years and denies he has any useful knowledge of events on that fateful evening.

The man has been questioned before and achieved [sic] reports show that he stated that he had left the resort bar at around 7pm that night. The crucial period is between 9.15pm, when Gerry McCann checked on his children, and 10.00pm when the alarm was raised by his wife.

The gardener lived in Praia da Luz until 2006 and gave a DNA sample to Portuguese police at the time of interview in 2007.

Operation Grange has identified seven ‘new’ suspects in the case, this man being one of them, whom police believe may have vital information.


A British woman is on the new list of arguidos, as are four men from Portugal and a woman possibly from Eastern Europe. All have been asked to give DNA samples and have been or will be interviewed as officers carefully go oevr every piece of old evidence in the case that still has police and the public quite baffled.

These interviews follow a forensic review in which British experts were unable find any DNA match with strands of hair kept as evidence during the original police investigation.

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« Last Edit: November 17, 2014, 07:44:33 PM by Anna »
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Brietta

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3922 on: November 18, 2014, 08:04:28 PM »
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline jassi

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3923 on: November 18, 2014, 08:10:06 PM »
If British detectives are not going to give a running commentary, which helpful source  has this information come from? They weren't going to do any actual questioning anyway, so i don't suppose their presence is essential.

Just noticed - "A new date for the interviews has not been set - and they are now unlikely to happen this year."


No sense of urgency then. Clearly not really important.
« Last Edit: November 18, 2014, 08:15:27 PM by jassi »
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3924 on: November 18, 2014, 08:20:02 PM »
This too!
A Scotland Yard spokesman said: "We have never officially confirmed when we are going out and we're not going to give a running commentary on this case."
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline misty

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3925 on: November 18, 2014, 08:22:37 PM »
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-detectives-forced-delay-4650864

More delay in Madeleine's case ... Unbelievable!

IMO there are people on that list the Portuguese do not want questioned. The status of each individual must surely have already been clarified before permission to question was granted in response to the ILOR.
Let's hope Redwood postpones his retirement plans.

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3926 on: November 18, 2014, 08:36:24 PM »
Bearing in mind what the press are like maybe they guessed, erroneously, it was all happening next week and now they have worked out it isn't. What better than to make up another story showing Johnny Foreigner in a bad light.

Well when I was a student in the days of "real universities" the Daily Express was renowned for printing opposing headlines in the space of a few days so it could always say "The Express was right again". Obviously believing its readers had a poor recollection.
« Last Edit: November 19, 2014, 09:15:58 AM by Eleanor »
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline jassi

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3927 on: November 18, 2014, 08:36:35 PM »
The two legal systems are different. SY seem to have difficult understanding that they have to comply with Portuguese legal requirements.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3928 on: November 18, 2014, 08:43:44 PM »
Wot no comment on Mr Frizzell's prog. ?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline misty

Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #3929 on: November 18, 2014, 08:44:29 PM »
The two legal systems are different. SY seem to have difficult understanding that they have to comply with Portuguese legal requirements.

They've already questioned the gardener, according to the press - and possibly a British lady too?
If their status was confirmed, I fail to see why the status of the others is in dispute.