Is the Labour Party in danger of imploding?

[stephen25000]

Not at the moment it isn't. The members are entitled to vote for the leader they want. Corbyn seems to be the one they want.

At the moment the electorate doesn't want to vote for a Labour Party with Corbyn as leader. They didn't want to vote for a Labour Party with Brown or Milliband as leader either.

Perhaps things will change before the next election. May's 'honeymoon period' will be long gone, Brexit could cause problems. There's a good deal more time than a week for things to change.

Not now, but it will at the next GE,


.....AND THAT IS WHAT WILL COUNT, and not  a little band of Corbynites.

[John]

I predict Corbyn will retain his crown but that the Party will split rendering it a hollow victory and him the leader of what little of New Labour is left.

[Alice Purjorick]

I predict Corbyn will retain his crown but that the Party will split rendering it a hollow victory and him the leader of what little of New Labour is left.

Tonight Chuka reckoned the party will not split !
Do you reckon there will be a new gang of four?
"Ah - the gang of four - Shirl the Pearl, Egghead Roy, Arrogant Dave and that other chap".
Shirley Williams = Anne Coffey or Margaret Hodge
Bill Rogers = Andy Burnham
Roy Jenkins = Find an egghead in the present bunch.
David Owen = Hillary Benn

"The party's proposals included calls to reform the political system, environmentally friendly policies, equality of opportunity for women and ethnic minorities, and a fairer distribution of wealth".

"The four left Labour citing major differences over European and defence policies as the party has taken a sharp turn to the left under leader Michael Foot. The opposition leader has insisted they will win no support".

We have seen it all before haven't we Billy ?
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See it soon on Newzoids. 

[stephen25000]

Tonight Chuka reckoned the party will not split !
Do you reckon there will be a new gang of four?
"Ah - the gang of four - Shirl the Pearl, Egghead Roy, Arrogant Dave and that other chap".
Shirley Williams = Anne Coffey or Margaret Hodge
Bill Rogers = Andy Burnham
Roy Jenkins = Find an egghead in the present bunch.
David Owen = Hillary Benn

"The party's proposals included calls to reform the political system, environmentally friendly policies, equality of opportunity for women and ethnic minorities, and a fairer distribution of wealth".

"The four left Labour citing major differences over European and defence policies as the party has taken a sharp turn to the left under leader Michael Foot. The opposition leader has insisted they will win no support".

We have seen it all before haven't we Billy ?
.
See it soon on Newzoids. 

We don't need  the successor to Spitting Image for that Alice.

Just the result of the leadership election.

[G-Unit]

I predict Corbyn will retain his crown but that the Party will split rendering it a hollow victory and him the leader of what little of New Labour is left.

If they do split they may be handing the Labour Party over. Many CLP's will choose new MP's to replace the splitters. Will the constituents stay with Labour or vote for their former MP under a new party banner? It's a gamble, are these MP's gamblers? We shall see.

[stephen25000]

If they do split they may be handing the Labour Party over. Many CLP's will choose new MP's to replace the splitters. Will the constituents stay with Labour or vote for their former MP under a new party banner? It's a gamble, are these MP's gamblers? We shall see.

What is more to the point, is whether the electorate will vote for Corbynites.

[G-Unit]

What is more to the point, is whether the electorate will vote for Corbynites.

You will just have to wait and see like everyone else for the answer to that question.

[Alfie]

You will just have to wait and see like everyone else for the answer to that question.

Corbyn's latest approval rating is -33.  More labour voters prefer Theresa May's politics to Jeremy Corbyn's.  The Tories are +11% over Labour if there was an election tomorrow.  Still, it could all change.  Photos of Theresa May having it off with a poodle might appear in the press, Corbyn might perform a feeding of the 5000 miracle at a food bank, who knows WHAT might happen!

[John]

The Labour party just expelled an 82-year-old lifelong Labour voter for encouraging democracy.



1st September 2016



An 82-year-old lifelong Labour voter and member has been expelled by the party for encouraging democracy.

A year ago on social media, she retweeted a post calling for Green Party leaders to be included in TV debates. For the Compliance Unit, that single retweet justified expelling the deep-rooted party member for five years, because it supposedly signified support for the Greens.

With reference to Ian McNicol, General Secretary of the Labour Party, she tweeted:

Well this housebound carer/pensioner expelled today. Mr McNicol’s way of thanking me for 50 years of votes??. Stunned!
Considering all of her other Twitter posts are in support of Labour, it seems her retweet was simply trying to expand political debate rather than bolster the Greens.

Closing down debate

Labour is supposed to adhere to democratic principles of free and open discussion, not closed off debate. So surely, the member in question was acting in line with party values.

Her argument last year was as follows: UKIP was to be included in the TV debates, so why not the Greens?

The question is: If she genuinely supported the Greens at one point, should that even matter? Considering that Tory MPs can defect to the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP), people will be confused as to why they cannot defect from the Greens to Labour (for example) and be welcomed for doing so rather than expelled, suspended or disenfranchised.

The Editor-in-Chief of The Canary, Kerry-anne Mendoza, was purged from the leadership election last year for stating on Twitter why she could no longer vote Labour. She explained:

I stated how sad I was to be unable to vote for an outstanding local Labour MP because the leadership of the party were standing on the promise to continue Osborne’s failed austerity programme. Labour used this Twitter conversation as an excuse to reject me from voting.
It appears that, according to these tribalist rules, people have to vote Labour no matter what the party’s values and aims are. Whether the leadership is bombing Iraq or investing in public services, their support must be unwavering. Or they will be barred from participating in the party.

http://www.thecanary.co/2016/09/01/labour-party-just-expelled-82-year-old-lifelong-labour-voter-encouraging-democracy/

[Alfie]

Proof that big turnouts at rallys doesn't always translate to votes - a taste of things to come for Labour, perhaps...?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/labour-crushed-sheffield-election-just-8796901

[Alfie]

Good analysis of the Sheffield result on FB

"In this grim autopsy into Labour's Sheffield defeat perhaps the strangest bit of news is that an army of Momentum supporters went to Sheffield and then spent their time ringing  other Labour members (presumably also Momentum supporters) to tell them to vote Labour.

Meanwhile the Lib Dems took almost half the entire vote. And they came from fourth place. Behind Labour, behind the Tories and behind UKIP.

But it is emblematic of the whole Corbyn project, talking only to those who agree with you and telling anyone who you suspect might disagree with you to 'f..k off and vote for someone else.'

Which in the case of Sheffield, voters did in their droves.

The idea that a political party might actually have to talk with people who are not inclined to vote for it is quintessentially Corbyn. They do not need to be convinced, they must be dismissed and despised. So the object becomes not to gain votes, but to weed out the unfaithful. The goal astonishingly is less votes.

Normally when you say something is 'less than useless' you just mean it's pretty rubbish. But in the case of Corbyn and his supporters the expression is literally true.

They are of negative utility".

[Alice Purjorick]

Good analysis of the Sheffield result on FB

"In this grim autopsy into Labour's Sheffield defeat perhaps the strangest bit of news is that an army of Momentum supporters went to Sheffield and then spent their time ringing  other Labour members (presumably also Momentum supporters) to tell them to vote Labour.

Meanwhile the Lib Dems took almost half the entire vote. And they came from fourth place. Behind Labour, behind the Tories and behind UKIP.

But it is emblematic of the whole Corbyn project, talking only to those who agree with you and telling anyone who you suspect might disagree with you to 'f..k off and vote for someone else.'

Which in the case of Sheffield, voters did in their droves.

The idea that a political party might actually have to talk with people who are not inclined to vote for it is quintessentially Corbyn. They do not need to be convinced, they must be dismissed and despised. So the object becomes not to gain votes, but to weed out the unfaithful. The goal astonishingly is less votes.

Normally when you say something is 'less than useless' you just mean it's pretty rubbish. But in the case of Corbyn and his supporters the expression is literally true.

They are of negative utility".

It obtains not only in politics apparently.

[Angelo222]

The writing is on the wall for the Labour Party.  Once Corbyn is confirmed as leader the next move is inevitable.

Traditional Labour voters are fed up with Corbyn and his Trotskyite leanings.

[Alfie]

I was recently told off by G-Unit for using the perfectly innocuous expression "calling a spade a spade".  I wonder what words of chastisement she might offer to Jeremy Corbyn for his choice in gloves...?

[G-Unit]

I was recently told off by G-Unit for using the perfectly innocuous expression "calling a spade a spade".  I wonder what words of chastisement she might offer to Jeremy Corbyn for his choice in gloves...?

I wonder how they're getting away with that lol.