Time line theory -question about origin.

[Angelo222]

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22.50 pm - First call to GNR Lagos precinct (Guarda Nacional Republicana, rural police); The first call to Police Precinct of GNR (Portuguese Rural Police) in Lagos, reporting a missing child and asking for Police help was made at 10.50pm and a patrol was sent, arriving at Ocean Club 12/15 minutes later, according to Lieutenant-Colonel Costa Cabral, Head of Public Relations of GNR.

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It also casts doubt on the GNR's timeline.

The first call to the GNR at Lagos was logged at 10.41pm and the second at 10.52pm.

[Robittybob1]

The first call to the GNR at Lagos was logged at 10.41pm.

I have always questioned the subject of the call at 10:41.  We make the assumption it was re the McCann case but if the GNR say it was the later call re the McCann case I think we have to take their word for that. 

[misty]

The first call to the GNR at Lagos was logged at 10.41pm.

Yes, I know......but that's not what is written in the timeline prepared by Kazlux for the PJ files. Is Kazlux providing false data or are the GNR phone records shown in the files inaccurate?

[Angelo222]

I have always questioned the subject of the call at 10:41.  We make the assumption it was re the McCann case but if the GNR say it was the later call re the McCann case I think we have to take their word for that.

Two calls were made from the OC switchboard.  An initial alert call followed 11 minutes later by a request to hurry up.  By the time the second call was made the GNR were on their way and arrived 8 minutes later at around 11pm.

[Robittybob1]

Two calls were made from the OC switchboard.  An initial alert call followed 11 minutes later by a request to hurry up.  By the time the second call was made the GNR were on their way and arrived 8 minutes later at around 11pm.

I have only seen this description made by the likes of the forum.  The people making or receiving the calls have not described them this way AFAIK.

[Robittybob1]

Sadie's questions [Sadie I was trying to keep the other thread just for the references]
"Did Amaral allow this Kazlux insert his one sided report, thorough though it was, into the official files.... or not ? 

Why was that tolerated?   

Do you think that Kazlux has cherry picked a minority of witness statements to make it look as though Madeleine went missing earlier than the majority of witnesses report in their statements?

Did you notice that the most important and pertinent times in the Kazlux report, of when Madeleine actually was noticed missing, are all taken from the fewer people who disagreed with The Mccanns, the Tapas group and a number of other witnesses on the accepted timeline ?

IIRC, Kazlux was a leading opponent of everything to do with the Mccanns on the very aggressive and active 3 A's forum.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that.


Could it have been what Amaral wanted Kazlux's report in the official files to help undermine the witness statements of the Mccanns, the Tapas group and others?   


Can anyone think of any other reason why he allowed it amongst the official files?


Please note:  There are no opinions in this post.  It is just a series of questions"

[G-Unit]

Yes, I know......but that's not what is written in the timeline prepared by Kazlux for the PJ files. Is Kazlux providing false data or are the GNR phone records shown in the files inaccurate?

In my opinion Kazlux is repeating Helder's statement, not endorsing it.

[Robittybob1]

In my opinion Kazlux is repeating Helder's statement, not endorsing it.

But was it Helder's statement in question?

[jassi]

Sadie's questions [Sadie I was trying to keep the other thread just for the references]
"Did Amaral allow this Kazlux insert his one sided report, thorough though it was, into the official files.... or not ? 

Why was that tolerated?   

Do you think that Kazlux has cherry picked a minority of witness statements to make it look as though Madeleine went missing earlier than the majority of witnesses report in their statements?

Did you notice that the most important and pertinent times in the Kazlux report, of when Madeleine actually was noticed missing, are all taken from the fewer people who disagreed with The Mccanns, the Tapas group and a number of other witnesses on the accepted timeline ?

IIRC, Kazlux was a leading opponent of everything to do with the Mccanns on the very aggressive and active 3 A's forum.  Please correct me if I am wrong on that.


Could it have been what Amaral wanted Kazlux's report in the official files to help undermine the witness statements of the Mccanns, the Tapas group and others?   


Can anyone think of any other reason why he allowed it amongst the official files?


Please note:  There are no opinions in this post.  It is just a series of questions"

What is the date of this report?    Was Amaral still around at that time ?

[Robittybob1]

What is the date of this report?    Was Amaral still around at that time ?

It doesn't have a file date or file number.   Other than the heading one would wonder if it was part of the official file.
Heading
"OFFICIAL INQUIRY FILES and DOCUMENTS
TIMELINE INFORMATION"  Does that make it Official?
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/TIME_LINE_INFORMATION.htm

[jassi]

As I pointed out yesterday, it contained the information about the phone calls made that night by the McCanns and others. When was that information first made available? as the report has to have been collated after that date.

[Robittybob1]

As I pointed out yesterday, it contained the information about the phone calls made that night by the McCanns and others. When was that information first made available? as the report has to have been collated after that date.

I'm not an expert on that question, maybe Misty knows, or can we see the file this is covered in?

[Carana]

Gosh! what are you suggesting? 

Nothing in particular, other than attempting to answer the original question: IIRC, the document wasn't compiled by the PJ, but by one or more volunteers from the 3A crowd once the files had become public.

[Miss Taken Identity]

Gosh! what are you suggesting? 

Not a conspiracy surely?   

Timeline, timeline make it fit may have been order of the day, however As I keep saying-pointing out the obvious. The tapas group were adamant that they 'checked the children every half hour. SO how would a very stoopid person do this ... what did time they leave the apartment add on half hours to that until you get an accurate timeline.

Now we can see that just never happened did it. it was an as and when listening at door system they had. NOT a 'checking' every half hour at all.

So let us look at a real time line they left the apartment at****pm never saw Maddie alive again.? oh that moving door was  just a god send.

As Maddie was never seen since her parents left her: inside covers as it was cold /outside covers it was too hot chose- your favourite version.  Then Maddie could have disappeared from that room from put to bed -found missing. a good couple of hours! and of course we only have DP with his 'can't remember much about why he went to that apartment or what he did but claims he saw  3 well looked after children-little angels.

Time line hahahahaha

[misty]

In my opinion Kazlux is repeating Helder's statement, not endorsing it.

The statement about the GNR being called at 10.50pm is not related to Helder's testimony in the Kazlux analysis.