Amaral and the dogs

[Mr Gray]

CC likes a good scrub aswell. Kate had just finished a long run so if she wanted a shower she would have it as soon as she went through the door and before Gerry left for tennis. The statements reveal what the normal time was for the kids bath but this has now changed to Kate's shower time 1830.  And David couldn't remember her only wearing a towel. Oh yes I believe every word they say 

Amaral makes a big thing about the inconsistencies...when Kate said the bottle was half empty and Gerry said it was half full...amaral knew one of them had to be lying. If he could work out which one he could crack the case

[Brietta]

Are you suggesting that the anomalies are due to translation errors? Wow, big errors! Kate was wrapped in a towel when David arrived - oh no she wasn't. 

Time will tell perhaps about the veracity or otherwise of the dog alerts. Keela wasn't wrong once, and people can assume that Eddie was wrong, but he could have been right.

 ... and shock! horror! wrapped in a towel or not wrapped in a towel ... all that is so so important to what? ... you must have an explanation for why you find such nonsense so earth shattering in relation to the main event of the evening, which was a little girl going missing from her bed.   

It is just understandable why Mr Amaral got it so wrong as far as the dogs were concerned ... he knew nothing about dogs and must have been as desperate to believe the hype about them as he was to pin Madeleine's disappearance on her mother.
Although the rush to make Dr McCann an arguida days before he would have had to present evidence to allow such a move makes one wonder if he really did believe or if he was going for "confession".

The dogs did their job ... they found neither human remains nor did they find evidence which pointed to parental or any other involvement ... end of.

As we have now been made aware by the Portuguese and British investigations ... many avenues of investigation were overlooked in 2007 and are still being followed in 20015 to find out what may have happened to Madeleine ... so it seems rather odd that you and others pin so many hopes on a failed working dog expedition in 2007 to the extent that Eddie and Keela have achieved cult status.

[G-Unit]

When police are investigating the disappearance of a child it's counter-productive to keep changing your statements because it makes them suspect you're being less than truthful.

We don't know if the dogs got it wrong because we don't know what happened.

We don't know what the current investigators are thinking because they haven't told us.

[Alfred R Jones]

When police are investigating the disappearance of a child it's counter-productive to keep changing your statements because it makes them suspect you're being less than truthful.

We don't know if the dogs got it wrong because we don't know what happened.

We don't know what the current investigators are thinking because they haven't told us.

Can you give an example of someone who "kept changing their statement" with regard to the events of that evening?  That is, more than 2 significant changes please.

[pathfinder73]

Can you give an example of someone who "kept changing their statement" with regard to the events of that evening?  That is, more than 2 significant changes please.

1. Key door

2. DP visit

Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him if he was going to continue playing. G. said he didn't know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Regarding his previous statement where he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered by the same door.

After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

They can't agree on anything in regards to that time period - that much is obvious!

[ferryman]

Amaral and the dogs, wrapped in David Payne's towel ....

Most extraordinary ....

[Alfred R Jones]

1. Key door

2. DP visit

Regarding the episode where he spoke to David on the 3rd of May, he says that he was playing tennis at 18:30 when David appeared near the tennis court and asked him if he was going to continue playing. G. said he didn't know because Kate might be needing help to look after the three children, because they intended to bring them to the recreation area after their showers. He thinks that David offered to check if Kate needed help, which he did, and returned minutes later. Regarding his previous statement where he states that David returned half an hour later around 19:00, he says that he returned to the tennis court after half an hour, as this time frame refers to the second time he returned to the tennis court after getting ready for the game.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

They arrived at the apartment around 5:40PM, earlier than usual, because Madeleine was tired, their other friends were at the beach and Gerry had an all-male tennis game at 6:00PM. At the flat they both bathed the children, and close to 6:00PM Gerry went to the tennis courts, soon after the children had finished their bath. They entered the apartment by the main door, with the key. She does not know if it was locked, and presumes it was Gerry who opened it. At lunch time they also entered by the same door.

After the children's bath, already alone, she put pyjamas and nappies on the twins, gave them each a glass of milk and biscuits. Before bathing the children and because it was early, they had thought of taking them to the recreation area, but then decided against this because of tiredness.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/KATE-MCCANN_ARGUIDO.htm

They can't agree on anything in regards to that time period - that much is obvious!

An example of one specific individual who kept changing his or her story please - two or more significant changes please....

[pathfinder73]

An example of one specific individual who kept changing his or her story please - two or more significant changes please....

Gerry see above. Key and DP visit - how long he was away. Kate saying Maddy dropped it and moved on and it never crossed her mind again and she's talking about it at the table. Kate first statement - took a bath after kids put to bed at 7:30. Arguido it had changed to 6:30. You don't take 2 in an hour. Kate only did one brief statement on 4 May. Gerry telling Fiona Kate was bathing the kids at around 6:30 and getting them ready for bed. Gerry said they had bathed them before he left at 6. Maddy was really tired but then says it was the best day of her life. Maddy said two things that day or in the whole of that holiday in the book - why didn't you come when we cried (you got the day wrong plummy) and it was the best day ever  &%+((£

A liar should never change their story so why would somebody keep changing it? Once is more than enough. You find contradictions and work from there.

[Alfred R Jones]

Gerry see above. Key and DP visit - how long he was away. Kate saying Maddy dropped it and moved on and it never crossed her mind again and she's talking about it at the table. Kate first statement - took a bath after kids put to bed at 7:30. Arguido it had changed to 6:30. You don't take 2 in an hour. Kate only did one brief statement on 4 May. Gerry telling Fiona Kate was bathing the kids at around 6:30 and getting them ready for bed. Gerry said they had bathed them before he left at 6. Maddy was really tired but then says it was the best day of her life. Maddy said two things that day or in the whole of that holiday in the book - why didn't you come when we cried (you got the day wrong plummy) and it was the best day ever  &%+((£

A liar should never change their story so why would somebody keep changing it? Once is more than enough. You find contradictions and work from there.

COuld you try and be a bit more clear in what you are saying.  Let's take the example of Gerry and DP's visit.  We need two or more clear alterations of a story to qualify as "keep changing statements" - so - let's see three or more separate accounts of showing the changes...
1st statement he said -
2nd statement he said
3rd statement he said
etc.

[pathfinder73]

COuld you try and be a bit more clear in what you are saying.  Let's take the example of Gerry and DP's visit.  We need two or more clear alterations of a story to qualify as "keep changing statements" - so - let's see three or more separate accounts of showing the changes...
1st statement he said -
2nd statement he said
3rd statement he said
etc.

Gerry only made two statements. Kate made one statement so where are you getting the third and more statements. You only need contradictions not 3 different changes. Who would anybody change their story three times. Gerry said half-hour on 10 May but said that was not correct in Sept. On that holiday from statements kids bath time was 6:30 onwards but it was said to have changed on 3 May to before 6pm. Fiona contradicts that statement.

[sadie]

Gerry only made two statements. Kate made one statement so where are you getting the third and more statements. You only need contradictions not 3 different changes. Who would anybody change their story three times. Gerry said half-hour on 10 May but said that was not correct in Sept. On that holiday from statements kids bath time was 6:30 onwards but it was said to have changed on 3 May to before 6pm. Fiona contradicts that statement.

You are wrong again Pfinder.

Gerry made three statements:

1)   04.05.2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

2)  10.05.2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

and,

3)  07.09.2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

I am not aware of any others but there are certainly three.

[Alfred R Jones]

Gerry only made two statements. Kate made one statement so where are you getting the third and more statements. You only need contradictions not 3 different changes. Who would anybody change their story three times. Gerry said half-hour on 10 May but said that was not correct in Sept. On that holiday from statements kids bath time was 6:30 onwards but it was said to have changed on 3 May to before 6pm. Fiona contradicts that statement.

Pathfinder.  If you change or correct an element of your statement once that does not constitute "keep on changing your statement" - not in my universe anyway.  It constitutes one change.  If another witness contradicts your statement that also does not constitute "keep on changing your statement" either.  Jeez.

[pathfinder73]

You are wrong again Pfinder.

Gerry made three statements:

1)   04.05.2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN.htm

2)  10.05.2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

and,

3)  07.09.2007
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-ARGUIDO.htm

I am not aware of any others but there are certainly three.

Yes one as suspects which is different and many months later to the other two.

[pathfinder73]

Three statements Pfinder.

Alfie was right and you were wrong.

Why dont you admit it


A gentle apology would be nice altho I doubt that Alfie requires one.  He is pretty easy going on that score.

I've quoted all 3 in my posts. I'm interested in the initial statements not months later when you can get your stories straight. It's interesting how the later ones contradict the early ones tho. If you tell the truth you dont have to remember anything 

[sadie]

I've quoted all 3 in my posts. I'm interested in the initial statements not months later when you can get your stories straight. It's interesting how the later ones contradict the early ones tho. If you tell the truth you dont have to remember anything 

Quite right.

I can recommend it.