Amaral and the dogs

[mercury]

I suppose that you do know that any old dog can find a Cadaver?  Or do you think that this is peculiar only to trained dogs?

Oh, and by the way, they mostly dig them up.

I've got a pint sized Pug, and even she could find a Cadaver.  She just wouldn't waste her time barking about it.

I do think that you try with the best of intentions according to your faith.  And I don't actually enjoy putting you down.  But some of your thinking is crackers.

What a silly post.....eddie was trained on finding REMNANT CADAVER SCENT.....if youre  pug can do that get him signed up...might save the police some money

[Anna]

Eddie could have been alerting to any body fluid, or it could have just been a false alert.
 Either way there was no body................So if anyone believes there was a body, Where is it?
The McCanns were not familiar with the area.
No evidence of anything really.
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“The initial training of the dog was conducted using human blood and stillborn decomposing piglets. The importance of this is that the dog is introduced to the scent of a decomposing body…He has additionally trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog has also involved the use of collection of ‘cadaver scent’ odor from human corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact the subject.”
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/08/09/missing-link-overlooked-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case/

‘Eddie’ The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood in any environment or terrain.



We know that Eddie has been trained using blood, bone tissue, teeth and decomposed cross-contaminants… so it is feasible to say that he could alert to skin tissue or other decomposing bodily fluids from a dead or living human being. We also know from the Haut de la Garenne case that Eddie did alert to tissues used to clean up after sex..


https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/the-dogs-their-findings-and-facts/

[mercury]

The dogs work as a team to find evidence of death not blood from a nose bleed. They are investigating a possible death inside the apartment.

Exactly, thats the only reason they were sent in

[mercury]

Eddie could have been alerting to any body fluid, or it could have just been a false alert.
 Either way there was no body................So if anyone believes there was a body, Where is it?
The McCanns were not familiar with the area.
No evidence of anything really.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~


“The initial training of the dog was conducted using human blood and stillborn decomposing piglets. The importance of this is that the dog is introduced to the scent of a decomposing body…He has additionally trained exclusively using human remains in the U.S.A. in association with the F.B.I. The enhanced training of the dog has also involved the use of collection of ‘cadaver scent’ odor from human corpses using remote technical equipment which does not contact the subject.”
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-news/2012/08/09/missing-link-overlooked-in-the-madeleine-mccann-case/

‘Eddie’ The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.R.D.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood in any environment or terrain.



We know that Eddie has been trained using blood, bone tissue, teeth and decomposed cross-contaminants… so it is feasible to say that he could alert to skin tissue or other decomposing bodily fluids from a dead or living human being. We also know from the Haut de la Garenne case that Eddie did alert to tissues used to clean up after sex..


https://madeleinemccannthetruth.wordpress.com/2013/05/24/the-dogs-their-findings-and-facts/

No use quoting a biased uninformed blog anna is it? Or is it? Oh well, carry on supporting the agenda that Eddie was alerting anything from a corpose, blood, a dead pig, a nappy, broken toenails, infected brietta algae sandals, an abortion, a miscarriage, a missed by police bloody murder, or suicide, people leaving their used condoms around., their dirty nappies, rotting teeth,, leaving pee and poo all over the bathroom.....gosh the list is endless and it all happend in 5 a potentially but we KNOW nowhere else, hahaha!! You have got to be bloody joking at best, laters, long shift, will check timorrow!

[pathfinder73]

Exactly, thats the only reason they were sent in

They miss the whole point. The dogs are investigating death. If Eddie doesn't alert then Keela is not used. Eddie detects the source of scent and Keela is brought in to find the proof of the missing person. If that DNA matched Madeleine then the police would think she died inside the apartment. Eddie has given his cadaver alert at the crime scene and Keela has found a blood match. Now you need to find the body. SY have begun searches for that stage.

[pegasus]

What is the  VeM book?

Why do you assume 45 minutes?

Sorry VdM, "Verdade Da Mentira".
The sofa theory is in the files. From chat to alarm is about 45 mins.
But the CSST experiment found the minimum PMI required is 85 mins.

[Brietta]

MARTIN GRIME PERSONAL PROFILE
09-Processo 9..Pages 2262 to 2268 
11 also Processo XI 2813 to 2835

'Eddie' The Enhanced Victim Recovery Dog (E.V.RD.) will search for and locate human remains and body fluids including blood to very small samples in any environment or terrain. The initial training of the asset is conducted using pig as the subject matter for solid hides and human blood for fluid.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MARTIN_GRIMES_PERSONAL.htm
 

[Alfred R Jones]

You have a choice. Eddie was alerting to cadaver scent and Keela signalled blood. Or both dogs signalled blood. The problem is you have no way of knowing for sure. You also have a massive problem when one dog alerts and the other doesn't, proving that the first (cadaver) dog was not alerting to blood.

The point being put about ,that if Keela alerted where Eddie did, it must mean blood is also a misnomer. Its entirely possible that blood can be found where a dead body has laid.

Do you have an objective, unbiased cite based on scientific evidence that your statement in bold is true?

[Anna]

No use quoting a biased uninformed blog anna is it? Or is it? Oh well, carry on supporting the agenda that Eddie was alerting anything from a corpose, blood, a dead pig, a nappy, broken toenails, infected brietta algae sandals, an abortion, a miscarriage, a missed by police bloody murder, or suicide, people leaving their used condoms around., their dirty nappies, rotting teeth,, leaving pee and poo all over the bathroom.....gosh the list is endless and it all happend in 5 a potentially but we KNOW nowhere else, hahaha!! You have got to be bloody joking at best, laters, long shift, will check timorrow!

Since you do not appear to understand(or want to) the words of an expert or Mr Grimes' report in the McCann files, I thought these simple links might help................but alas you are convinced, so I will leave you to it.
Nobody knows what happened and it is all guesswork. If, however you have proof that madeleine died in 5A, Please share.

[Alfred R Jones]

The dogs work as a team to find evidence of death not blood from a nose bleed. They are investigating a possible death inside the apartment.

They're not trained to find evidence of sexual intercourse but that is what Eddie alerted to in Jersey - it's an inconvenient truth which you simply cannot ignore (though you do a good job of it on here, granted!)

[Alice Purjorick]

They're not trained to find evidence of sexual intercourse but that is what Eddie alerted to in Jersey - it's an inconvenient truth which you simply cannot ignore (though you do a good job of it on here, granted!)

That makes one wonder about the quality of handler cuing.

[Brietta]

That makes one wonder about the quality of handler cuing.

The dog alerts as per its training.  VRD alert to semen.

The dog and its handler worked appropriately and found what was there to be found.  That it was not what was expected is no reflection on the dog or its handler.

Even the best dog in the world cannot find what isn't there to be found in the first place.

As Martin Grime has attested ... forensic examination and evidence determines what the dog has alerted to ... nothing else.

[Alfred R Jones]

Martin Grime also said of the sex tissue alert words to the effect that the alert was within the parameters of what you'd expect the dog to alert to - I'm sure someone will be able to dig out the exact quote if they're bothered.  So if the expectation is that Eddie will alert to a sex tissue then surely it would be unexpected that he did not alert anywhere at all apart from to McCann property, unless there was an unusually high level of expectation that all other apartments and Murat's house had been kept completely spotless for their entire existence.

[Anna]

VT / 9 Trench and gun emplacement containing small personnel shelter. Forensic examination revealed recently deposited tissues that appeared to have been used to ‘clean up following sexual intercourse’. It would appear that the shelter had been used as a venue for courting couples. This alert is within the trained parameters of the dog’s repertoire and is a satisfactory explanation of the alert.
http://voiceforprotest.blogspot.co.uk/2010/03/operation-rectangle-summary-report.html
ETA
http://www.gov.je/Government/Pages/StatesReports.aspx?ReportID=561

[Alfred R Jones]

Thank you Anna