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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #225 on: May 15, 2015, 05:55:12 PM »
Eddie and Keela were both deconditioned to alerting to urine, semen, faeces, saliva etc and would only ever alert to such BODILY fluids IF they were mixed with blood.

Eddie was not a decomp dog, which would detect such BODY fluids, he was trained for blood only and then for detecting cadaver scent.

Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper) http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #226 on: May 15, 2015, 06:02:14 PM »
Eddie and Keela were both deconditioned to alerting to urine, semen, faeces, saliva etc and would only ever alert to such BODILY fluids IF they were mixed with blood.

Eddie was not a decomp dog, which would detect such BODY fluids, he was trained for blood only and then for detecting cadaver scent.

Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper) http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.
so, the tissue in Jersey contained decomposed human tissue.  Well that's one way of putting it!

Offline Brietta

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #227 on: May 15, 2015, 06:19:11 PM »
Eddie and Keela were both deconditioned to alerting to urine, semen, faeces, saliva etc and would only ever alert to such BODILY fluids IF they were mixed with blood.

Eddie was not a decomp dog, which would detect such BODY fluids, he was trained for blood only and then for detecting cadaver scent.

Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper) http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.

If putrescine and cadaverine are present ... an animal trained to search for human remains will alert. 

Semen contains cadaverine.
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Offline Benice

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #228 on: May 15, 2015, 06:39:10 PM »
Eddie and Keela were both deconditioned to alerting to urine, semen, faeces, saliva etc and would only ever alert to such BODILY fluids IF they were mixed with blood.

Eddie was not a decomp dog, which would detect such BODY fluids, he was trained for blood only and then for detecting cadaver scent.

Forensic Search Dog (The primary focus of this paper) http://www.csst.org/forensic_evidence_canines.html

A canine that has been specifically trained to indicate a scent source as being from decomposed human tissue. Such animals are also trained to exclude (deconditioned to) the scent of human urine, feces, and semen and will not alert on residual scent from a live human; and have never been trained to locate any scent other than that of decomposed human tissue.

IIRC - Eddie also alerted to a large number of milk teeth in Jersey.  Another example of alerting to 'body bits' which have become detached from living people - or in this case - from living children.

An alert from Eddie did not necessarily signify a death had occurred at the place where the alert was made - or even that a death had occurred at all.

Amaral claimed that it did. 




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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #229 on: May 15, 2015, 06:58:15 PM »
If putrescine and cadaverine are present ... an animal trained to search for human remains will alert. 

Semen contains cadaverine.

Eddie doesn't alert to semen unless it's mixed with blood.  Eddie was specially trained and deconditioned to alert to semen. Eddie's job was to find the body. He was trained on human cadavers. The dogs are a murder squad like Operation Grange.

Pseudo scent is an artificially chemically produced product that its  manufacturers claim to resemble 'dead body scent'. Although some cadaver dog trainers have had limited success with its use in training, when tested on my dogs they showed no interest and it is not used as a training aid for them.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #230 on: May 15, 2015, 06:59:47 PM »
so, the tissue in Jersey contained decomposed human tissue.  Well that's one way of putting it!

The fact is that in over 200 cases, it has been reported, he (Eddie), has NEVER given a false positive. The commenter has clearly not done any homework because if he/she had have done they would know that the dog that gave a reaction to the “tissue after sex” item was in fact a blood dog by the name of “Keela.”

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Alfred R Jones

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #231 on: May 15, 2015, 07:09:44 PM »
The fact is that in over 200 cases, it has been reported, he (Eddie), has NEVER given a false positive. The commenter has clearly not done any homework because if he/she had have done they would know that the dog that gave a reaction to the “tissue after sex” item was in fact a blood dog by the name of “Keela.”

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html

Errr....so Martin Grime was lying in his report when he wrote:

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The EVRD was deployed in a wide area screening sweep of the site. The following alert indications were forthcoming:




VT / 9 Trench and gun emplacement containing small personnel shelter. Forensic examination revealed recently deposited tissues that appeared to have been used to ‘clean up following sexual intercourse’. It would appear that the shelter had been used as a venue for courting couples. This alert is within the trained parameters of the dog’s repertoire and is a satisfactory explanation of the alert.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #232 on: May 15, 2015, 07:19:05 PM »
Errr....so Martin Grime was lying in his report when he wrote:

Blood was alerted to on the tissue and both dogs alert to blood.  So either dog would be correct in their blood alert.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #233 on: May 15, 2015, 07:22:27 PM »
The fact is that in over 200 cases, it has been reported, he (Eddie), has NEVER given a false positive. The commenter has clearly not done any homework because if he/she had have done they would know that the dog that gave a reaction to the “tissue after sex” item was in fact a blood dog by the name of “Keela.”

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html

What do you mean by cases, and when you say that he never gave a false positive, what exactly are you referring to?

Keela also apparently reacted to the sex tissues. But when did Grime write the notes stating that Eddie's reaction was within his training parameters? As and when Eddie reacted... or only after he'd seen what it was and Keela had also reacted?

There is no way of knowing from that report.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #234 on: May 15, 2015, 07:23:50 PM »
The fact is that in over 200 cases, it has been reported, he (Eddie), has NEVER given a false positive. The commenter has clearly not done any homework because if he/she had have done they would know that the dog that gave a reaction to the “tissue after sex” item was in fact a blood dog by the name of “Keela.”

http://voiceforchildren.blogspot.com/2012/03/exclusive-footage-of-eddie-cadaver-dog.html

that statement ahs been misinterpreted....plus eddie hasn't been involved in 200 cases

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #235 on: May 15, 2015, 07:27:15 PM »
that statement ahs been misinterpreted....plus eddie hasn't been involved in 200 cases

In PdL Eddie alerted to cuddle-cat only after it had been hidden in a cupboard, but could, apparently, detect no scent on the toy when it was in front of his nose and he could play with it.

And he detected a scent on clothing in the gym, he was unable to detect a scent on when the same clothing was in the villa.

Most strange ...

And yes, Eddie had been involved in 37 cases up to 2006 ...

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #236 on: May 15, 2015, 07:29:06 PM »
that statement ahs been misinterpreted....plus eddie hasn't been involved in 200 cases

Eddie's first murder case search was in 2002.

Wuff justice – Doggy sleuths on the trail of murder victims

They have become national heroes, called upon to take part in many of the country's most high-profile murder investigations

The four-strong team has never looked back and their first successful – though upsetting – find was Mr Collier's body.

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/local-stories/wuff-justice-doggy-sleuths-on-the-trail-of-murder-victims-1-2543216

A man convicted of dumping dismembered human remains on Cumbrian moorland, has been jailed for life.
Daniel Thompson, 28, drove to a remote area near Dent and buried the body of Shane Collier, after cutting him into eight pieces.

Thompson was found guilty of murdering 21-year-old Mr Collier at a house in Yews Lane, Kendray, Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

His remains were discovered in two shallow graves bordering the Yorkshire Dales in March 2002, after an extensive search.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2085490.stm
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #237 on: May 15, 2015, 07:35:37 PM »
Eddie's first murder case search was in 2002. The four-strong team has never looked back and their first successful – though upsetting – find was Mr Collier's body.

A man convicted of dumping dismembered human remains on Cumbrian moorland, has been jailed for life.
Daniel Thompson, 28, drove to a remote area near Dent and buried the body of Shane Collier, after cutting him into eight pieces.

Thompson was found guilty of murdering 21-year-old Mr Collier at a house in Yews Lane, Kendray, Barnsley, South Yorkshire.

His remains were discovered in two shallow graves bordering the Yorkshire Dales in March 2002, after an extensive search.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/2085490.stm

And the other 199 cases were...?

The FOI response as to how many cases Eddie had been deployed on between 2003 and 2007 has been posted here numerous times.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #238 on: May 15, 2015, 07:38:18 PM »
False' positives are always a possibility; to date Eddie has not so indicated
 operationally or in training. In six years of operational deployment in over 200
 criminal case searches the dog has never alerted to meat based and
 specifically pork foodstuffs designed for human consumption. Similarly the
 dog has never alerted to 'road kill', that is any other dead animal.




in 200 case searches...there are multiple searches in each case


in these 200 case searches eddie has never alerted to meat based foodstuffs...not he has never had a false alert in 200 cases

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #239 on: May 15, 2015, 07:38:52 PM »
And the other 199 cases were...?

The FOI response as to how many cases Eddie had been deployed on between 2003 and 2007 has been posted here numerous times.

I don't know the figures but they were in very high demand.

SNIFFING out tiny traces of blood in murder cases and tracking down buried human remains is a job only two specialists in Britain are qualified to do.

Two-and-a-half-year-old springer spaniel Eddie and partner Frankie – a four-year-old border collie – are experts who come second to none in their line of work.

"We put together a business plan for our bosses, with the idea that we would be called out on perhaps two jobs a year – but it's taken off beyond belief. We're currently getting about two requests every week."

http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/main-topics/local-stories/wuff-justice-doggy-sleuths-on-the-trail-of-murder-victims-1-2543216
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.