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Offline Carew

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #690 on: July 06, 2015, 01:26:20 PM »
Quote Brietta.

"I would suggest that the dogs had little to do with Mr Amaral taking his eye off the ball and more to do with grabbing any leverage to close the case with another parental conviction under his belt."

My thoughts exactly.

I wonder how Mr Murat`s arguido status and the investigations into his possible involvement ties in with "any leverage to close the case with another parental conviction under his belt," though?

Might there have been a prior hope that there would be alerts around his property and so forth, which,  along with turning over his garden,  could possibly have formed the initial leverage to close the case, too?


Offline Eleanor

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #691 on: July 06, 2015, 01:35:39 PM »
I wonder how Mr Murat`s arguido status and the investigations into his possible involvement ties in with "any leverage to close the case with another parental conviction under his belt," though?

Might there have been a prior hope that there would be alerts around his property and so forth, which,  along with turning over his garden,  could possibly have formed the initial leverage to close the case, too?

No doubt with some link to The McCanns. 

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #692 on: July 06, 2015, 01:41:29 PM »
I think the interest in Robert Murat sprang from uncertainty about his whereabouts on the night (never, I don't think, satisfactorily resolved, either way).

Whatever the truth of that, there doesn't seem to be a shred of evidence linking Murat to Madeleine, and certainly not to Madeleine's disappearance.

I don't believe the present enquiry is considering Murat, any more than it is considering the McCanns.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #693 on: July 06, 2015, 02:37:52 PM »
I think the interest in Robert Murat sprang from uncertainty about his whereabouts on the night (never, I don't think, satisfactorily resolved, either way).

Whatever the truth of that, there doesn't seem to be a shred of evidence linking Murat to Madeleine, and certainly not to Madeleine's disappearance.

I don't believe the present enquiry is considering Murat, any more than it is considering the McCanns.

They have interviewed Murat.

Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #694 on: July 06, 2015, 03:21:47 PM »
What does the sofa have to do with Murat's whereabouts on the night?

ETA: From John Lowe's report:

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material on the swab (3A) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material on the wet swab (3B) from the same area was unsuccessful in that no profile was obtained.

Weak and incomplete DNA results which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components were obtained from cellular material on the wet and dry swabs (14A & B} from the back of the sofa.


And ....
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #695 on: July 06, 2015, 03:52:57 PM »
What does the sofa have to do with Murat's whereabouts on the night?

ETA: From John Lowe's report:

A weak incomplete DNA result which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components was obtained from cellular material on the swab (3A) from the apartment floor. An attempt to obtain a DNA profile from any cellular material on the wet swab (3B) from the same area was unsuccessful in that no profile was obtained.

Weak and incomplete DNA results which consisted of only a few unconfirmed DNA components were obtained from cellular material on the wet and dry swabs (14A & B} from the back of the sofa.


And ....

Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert.

An incomplete DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3A). The low-level DNA result showed very meagre information indicating more than one person. Departing from the principle that all confirmed DNA components within the scope of this result originated from a single source, then these pointed to corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann; however, if the DNA within the scope of this result originated from more than one person then the result could be explained as being DNA originating from [a mixture of DNA from both] Kate Healy and Gerald McCann, for example. DNA profiles established through LCN are extremely sensitive; it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid. nor to determine how or when that DNA was transferred to that area.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #696 on: July 06, 2015, 03:57:12 PM »
Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert.

An incomplete DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3A). The low-level DNA result showed very meagre information indicating more than one person. Departing from the principle that all confirmed DNA components within the scope of this result originated from a single source, then these pointed to corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann; however, if the DNA within the scope of this result originated from more than one person then the result could be explained as being DNA originating from [a mixture of DNA from both] Kate Healy and Gerald McCann, for example. DNA profiles established through LCN are extremely sensitive; it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid. nor to determine how or when that DNA was transferred to that area.

Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert.

You don't seem to have learnt anything, do you?

Keela alerted only to human blood.

Eddie alerted to human blood and cadaver scent.

So where both dogs alert in the same spot, the provenance of the alert has to be blood.

Or Keela has alerted falsely.

Or both dogs have alerted falsely.

An alert from Keela (assuming an alert within trained parameters!) is blood!

Offline Anna

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #697 on: July 06, 2015, 04:01:03 PM »
Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert.

An incomplete DNA result was obtained through LCN from cellular material present in the swab (286A/2007 CRL 3A). The low-level DNA result showed very meagre information indicating more than one person. Departing from the principle that all confirmed DNA components within the scope of this result originated from a single source, then these pointed to corresponding components in the profile of Madeleine McCann; however, if the DNA within the scope of this result originated from more than one person then the result could be explained as being DNA originating from [a mixture of DNA from both] Kate Healy and Gerald McCann, for example. DNA profiles established through LCN are extremely sensitive; it is not possible to attribute this DNA profile to a particular body fluid. nor to determine how or when that DNA was transferred to that area.

Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert....corroborated Eddie's  alert being that of blood only
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #698 on: July 06, 2015, 05:29:40 PM »
Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert....corroborated Eddie's  alert being that of blood only

The dogs are very good. You will find out how good if they solve this case.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #699 on: July 06, 2015, 05:41:43 PM »
The dogs are very good. You will find out how good if they solve this case.

Eddie couldn't make up his mind whether there was, or whether there wasn't, a scent on cuddle-cat.

And despite not being able to find a trace of any scent on clothing in the villa, he (apparently) could find a scent (on exactly the same clothing!) in the gym.

Most bizarre ...

Offline Carew

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #700 on: July 06, 2015, 05:44:56 PM »
No doubt with some link to The McCanns.

Mr Amaral linked him to the McCanns?
Wasn`t it the McCanns and/or friends who felt that Murat was involved in some way?
Is that the link to Murat, along with the suspicions of a journalist?

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #701 on: July 06, 2015, 05:46:26 PM »
They have interviewed Murat.


That's one of the things that I really don't understand about Hideho and her "campaign". There never WAS any blood found, let alone who any may have belonged to.

She claims to be some kind of expert tutor on the files for her fan club, but she still doesn't appear to have grasped the basics of the forensic results.





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ferryman

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Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #702 on: July 06, 2015, 05:49:25 PM »
That's one of the things that I really don't understand about Hideho and her "campaign". There never WAS any blood found. She claims to be some kind of tutor on the files for her fan club, but she still doesn't appear to have grasped the basics of the forensic results.

The word blood is not used once in John Lowe's report ....

ETA: I tend to assume blood was found as a courtesy to Keela.

Only stuff she reacted to was sent to the FSS and she is not trained to react to anything else.
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Offline Carew

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #703 on: July 06, 2015, 05:51:59 PM »
Keela alerted to human blood which corroborated Eddie's alert....corroborated Eddie's  alert being that of blood only

Not necessarily.

Why could Eddie`s alert not be to cadaver contaminant, with Keela`s to blood at the same spot?

How have you ruled that out and concluded that both dogs alerted only to blood?

Offline Carana

Re: Amaral and the dogs
« Reply #704 on: July 06, 2015, 05:54:13 PM »
They have interviewed Murat.



They interviewed Murat... so what? None of the hairs analysed in 5A even corresponded to his mtDNA profile.