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Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #360 on: January 18, 2014, 10:36:14 PM »
With regard to the possible sighting of arguido Gerry McCann next to a pink coloured block of apartments at a site opposite the Luz cemetery, we can inform you that this an establishment called "St James Portuguesa Lda", lots 1 and 2 being situated in the positions mentioned, from the outside the spaces corresponding to Lot 1 can be seen of a total of apartment designated as follows: 101-104, 111-114, 121-124, 105-109, 115-119, 125-129.
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What happened in regards to this sighting opposite the church? Were all these apartments fully searched?
This sighting was not opposite the church, it was opposite the main cemetery.
In various interviews GA has referred to a sighting he describes as: at block near beach, or at block near cemetery, but despite the differences in described location and in quantity of people seen, IMO all those mentions refer to this one sighting you quoted.
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #361 on: January 18, 2014, 10:51:31 PM »
Thanks. Were those pink apartments searched? Where's the main cemetery?
« Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 10:55:23 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #362 on: January 18, 2014, 10:56:04 PM »
Aerial photo shows cemetery it is the rectangular plot with large quantity of above-ground tombs visible, plus parklike area on NE side, which includes a small chapel-like thing
« Last Edit: January 18, 2014, 11:05:50 PM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #363 on: January 18, 2014, 11:34:56 PM »
Thanks I will check that out. You need to get bigger pics  8(0(*
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #364 on: January 19, 2014, 02:04:39 AM »
Cemetery and two blocks mentioned in the DCCB report are on Rua Benedita Da Conceicao Baptista
GA was taken off the case a few days after he recieved this report from the DCCB.
GA was intending to check out this sighting further IMO.
BTW by interpolating the various available sources, IMO the person who gave this "opposite the cemetery" info to the DCCB was a journalist IMO.
« Last Edit: January 19, 2014, 02:12:46 AM by pegasus »

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #365 on: January 20, 2014, 12:40:08 AM »
Thanks for the help - found it on Google Earth - there's a lot of apartments. Can't do much unless you have a list of the apartment owners. If Gerry's golf buddy John Geraghty owns one then I would be very interested  ?{)(**

Hole in One Club - 07/06/2006 John Geraghty 4th Boavista Golf Club
« Last Edit: January 20, 2014, 12:41:43 AM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #366 on: January 20, 2014, 12:59:13 AM »
Just going into or coming out of a building is not suspicious.
Wonder if there was some specific reason why the witness (a journalist IMO) told DCCB about this?
BTW the DCCB (a special branch of the PJ) did a good report.
Shame someone got Mr Amaral removed immediately after he recieved the DCCB report so he was prevented from following it up.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #367 on: January 20, 2014, 01:05:18 AM »
They got the keys to the church so maybe they got a key to an apartment. Why did you think it was a journalist and not an apartment resident? What date was it reported?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #368 on: January 20, 2014, 01:35:57 AM »
They got the keys to the church so maybe they got a key to an apartment. Why did you think it was a journalist and not an apartment resident? What date was it reported?
By reading GA's book and various GA press interviews. He refers several times to a sighting at a block, the location is stated vaguely, he describes it usually as near the beach, or less often near the cemetery, (also getting quantity of people wrong). IMO all those mentions refer to this one sighting. In one of those sources GA says the witness was a journalist. 
The DCCB report was written on 27th Sept 2007 so presumably the information in that report was gathered in the week or so leading up to that date.

Redblossom

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #369 on: January 20, 2014, 09:36:47 AM »
With regard to the possible sighting of arguido Gerry McCann next to a pink coloured block of apartments at a site opposite the Luz cemetery, we can inform you that this an establishment called "St James Portuguesa Lda", lots 1 and 2 being situated in the positions mentioned, from the outside the spaces corresponding to Lot 1 can be seen of a total of apartment designated as follows: 101-104, 111-114, 121-124, 105-109, 115-119, 125-129.
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What happened in regards to this sighting opposite the church? Were all these apartments fully searched?

In the dccb report it mentions they couldnt ascertain which apartments were of interest, so I guess no?

About 15th paragraph down

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm

Michaelas ex husband used to manage the pools at the St James resort in PDL, whch Im assumng is the same place, and he doesnt look that different to GM, could be mistaken identity?

P1585
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUIS_ANTONIO.htm

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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #370 on: January 20, 2014, 04:21:41 PM »
In the dccb report it mentions they couldnt ascertain which apartments were of interest, so I guess no?

About 15th paragraph down

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DCCB_LETTER.htm

Michaelas ex husband used to manage the pools at the St James resort in PDL, whch Im assumng is the same place, and he doesnt look that different to GM, could be mistaken identity?

P1585
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/LUIS_ANTONIO.htm



That's an interesting connection. Be useful to know the original report date on the sighting?

Here's another interesting sighting:

Date: 2007-09-24

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From: Jorge Reis, Chief Inspector

Subject: Information relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann


I hereby inform you that an individual identified as Fernando Joaquim, who resides behind the Parque do Campismo in Luz, who can be contacted on nº****** stated that during a weekend in July of this year he twice saw the father of the missing girl Madeleine McCann, heading towards a house called Vila D’Arte in the Melody Urbanisation, behind the camping site. He says that he does not know whether this situation is connected to the disappearance of the girl.

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6. As concerns the information provided by F***** J**** with regard to a sighting of the McCanns at a residence called Vila d’Arte, in the Melody Urbanisation in Espiche, during the month of July, it was possible to determine which residence this was and that the building is the permanent residence of some citizens from NL or the UK for the past 4 or 5 years.

- As regards the sighting itself which occurred at 20.30 – 20.45 on dates that it was not possible to determine more than that this was in July of the current year and that the couple and their two youngest children were transported in small car, that the witness thought to be a dark coloured Citroen C3 or Renault Clio.

- Upon contacting the current inhabitants of the residence it was established that they were Dutch citizens who had made their reservation during the days 24-09-2007 and 29-09-2007 via the portucasa.nl website and who were from Amsterdam.

- The contract was signed through an intermediary from Winkworth who said that the McCanns never had any relationship with the residence in question because it was always let to friends or family members of the Dutch owners.

- The action of the intermediary was informal, there was no register of contracts with the occupants.

- The property is normally rented out, the owners do not live there on a permanent basis.



Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #371 on: January 20, 2014, 11:43:35 PM »
Re pink blocks:  Sighting was in June.
IMO a journalist at that time would be sure to recognise person correctly.
Only 24 apartments in Lot 1, and then some more in lot 2. Mr Amaral could have done a door-to-door but he was prevented from doing so by being forced off the case just after he got this report.


Offline pegasus

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #372 on: January 20, 2014, 11:52:41 PM »
Re Arte: Easy to find on N side of town, but IMO this is a misidentification, and wrong car make

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #373 on: January 21, 2014, 03:07:35 PM »
Thanks for the information Pegasus - that St. James apartment (101-129) sighting is very interesting.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Redblossom

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Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #374 on: January 21, 2014, 04:53:48 PM »
That's an interesting connection. Be useful to know the original report date on the sighting?

Here's another interesting sighting:

Date: 2007-09-24

To: The Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

From: Jorge Reis, Chief Inspector

Subject: Information relating to the disappearance of Madeleine McCann


I hereby inform you that an individual identified as Fernando Joaquim, who resides behind the Parque do Campismo in Luz, who can be contacted on nº****** stated that during a weekend in July of this year he twice saw the father of the missing girl Madeleine McCann, heading towards a house called Vila D’Arte in the Melody Urbanisation, behind the camping site. He says that he does not know whether this situation is connected to the disappearance of the girl.

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6. As concerns the information provided by F***** J**** with regard to a sighting of the McCanns at a residence called Vila d’Arte, in the Melody Urbanisation in Espiche, during the month of July, it was possible to determine which residence this was and that the building is the permanent residence of some citizens from NL or the UK for the past 4 or 5 years.

- As regards the sighting itself which occurred at 20.30 – 20.45 on dates that it was not possible to determine more than that this was in July of the current year and that the couple and their two youngest children were transported in small car, that the witness thought to be a dark coloured Citroen C3 or Renault Clio.

- Upon contacting the current inhabitants of the residence it was established that they were Dutch citizens who had made their reservation during the days 24-09-2007 and 29-09-2007 via the portucasa.nl website and who were from Amsterdam.

- The contract was signed through an intermediary from Winkworth who said that the McCanns never had any relationship with the residence in question because it was always let to friends or family members of the Dutch owners.

- The action of the intermediary was informal, there was no register of contracts with the occupants.

- The property is normally rented out, the owners do not live there on a permanent basis.

I didnt mean to suggest Luis Antonio was involved, just that someone may have mistaken him for GM as they are not disalike, at a place where he normally worked...as for this other sighting, theres nothing to get your teeth  into is there so whats the point? now why the Mccanns hire car clocked up 11 000 plus miles from end May to end September might be worthy of research, or maybe not, few days before they left Portugal it was under 6k miles, they left  it to some friend called Geratghy who when he took it back end September showed 11k on the metre...he must have taken a few spins in it or something


Graph on end

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/RENTAL_CONTRACTS-1.htm



@Pegasus, how do you know the sightng was in June?

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