Strange Witness Statements

[Mr Gray]

if the alerts in the apartment for cadaver are valid then a body would have had to have been there for several hours....therefore the parents MUST be involved...simple..case solved...

But SY are spending millions investigating other people...

[G-Unit]

If you read David Paynes' rogatory statement you will see that 2 brand new PAYG phones were delivered to him at the police station on 4th May 2007. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

His rambling explanation of why and how they got them seemed unconvincing to me and i wondered if they were delivered to them in order for someone to be able to contact them without the police knowing. What Carolyn Kish says upholds that. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROLYN-KISH.htm 

Gerry Mccann had access to three mobile phones during the first days after the disappearance of Madeleine, but whether any police were able to get records for the PAYG phones is anybodies guess if they didn't know they existed until 11th April 2008. Both the Mccanns appeared in an appeal on the BBC shown at 2pm on the 7th, but it could have been recorded earlier than that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaoVqWaOQI

[jassi]

If you read David Paynes' rogatory statement you will see that 2 brand new PAYG phones were delivered to him at the police station on 4th May 2007. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

His rambling explanation of why and how they got them seemed unconvincing to me and i wondered if they were delivered to them in order for someone to be able to contact them without the police knowing. What Carolyn Kish says upholds that. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROLYN-KISH.htm 

Gerry Mccann had access to three mobile phones during the first days after the disappearance of Madeleine, but whether any police were able to get records for the PAYG phones is anybodies guess if they didn't know they existed until 11th April 2008. Both the Mccanns appeared in an appeal on the BBC shown at 2pm on the 7th, but it could have been recorded earlier than that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaoVqWaOQI

No doubt they would have been able to identify the phones as being active (if they were looking at the days in question) and who they were ringing, but may not have been able to ask any questions of the call recipients and so probably couldn't identify them with McCann or general Tapas usage.

[Carana]

If you read David Paynes' rogatory statement you will see that 2 brand new PAYG phones were delivered to him at the police station on 4th May 2007. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/DAVID-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

His rambling explanation of why and how they got them seemed unconvincing to me and i wondered if they were delivered to them in order for someone to be able to contact them without the police knowing. What Carolyn Kish says upholds that. http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/CAROLYN-KISH.htm 

Gerry Mccann had access to three mobile phones during the first days after the disappearance of Madeleine, but whether any police were able to get records for the PAYG phones is anybodies guess if they didn't know they existed until 11th April 2008. Both the Mccanns appeared in an appeal on the BBC shown at 2pm on the 7th, but it could have been recorded earlier than that? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kaoVqWaOQI

If you want to obtain phones without the police knowing about them, you'd have to be a bit thick to have them delivered to you while you're at... a police station.

An alternative explanation is that as roaming charges are extortionate, and you get charged even for incoming calls, some kind soul arranged for a local option.

[pegasus]

If you read David Paynes' rogatory statement you will see that 2 brand new PAYG phones were delivered to him at the police station on 4th May 2007...

One of them was 91745331*

[Jean-Pierre]

If you want to obtain phones without the police knowing about them, you'd have to be a bit thick to have them delivered to you while you're at... a police station.

An alternative explanation is that as roaming charges are extortionate, and you get charged even for incoming calls, some kind soul arranged for a local option.

Do stop it Carana - you are spoiling things for the conspiracy theorists with your reasonable and  logical explanations. 

[Wonderfulspam]

Do stop it Carana - you are spoiling things for the conspiracy theorists with your reasonable and  logical explanations.

Remind me of that logical abduction thesis again?

Oh yeah, that's right, there ain't one!

[pathfinder73]

Why did GM state that he used his key to enter?

"Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition." (GM 4 May)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html

"There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started." (GA)

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html

'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated." (Lee Rainbow)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

[Brietta]

Why did GM state that he used his key to enter?

"Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition." (GM 4 May)

"There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started." (GA)

'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated." (Lee Rainbow)

Lee Rainbow submitted his report to the Portuguese police in the month after Madeleine's disappearance.

Just a normal procedure which he was probably surprised had not already been carried out; it was raised in the context of Goncalo Amaral's appeal against the arrest of his book and video documentary.

If you read it carefully you will see that what Lee Rainbow actually said is at variance with what you claim he said.

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**snip**

In the summary of the 30-page report Mr Rainbow wrote: “The potential involvement of the family in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be discarded, and it can be considered that, when pondering the basis for research, this hypothesis deserves as much attention as the criminal with sexual motivations that has been previously prioritised.

“It should be stressed that there is no evidence to directly support an involvement of the family, yet given the absence of decisive evidence to prove the contrary, such a scenario has to be explored.”

At court last week, Mr Amaral’s lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, read out a section of 37-year-old Mr Rainbow’s report which said: “The family is a lead that should be followed.”
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/158018/McCann-twins-may-hold-clues-says-criminal-profiler

[pathfinder73]

Fiona Payne Rog



http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[Anna]

Why did GM state that he used his key to enter?

"Thus, at 9.05 pm, the deponent entered the club, using his key, the door being locked, and went to the children's bedroom and noted that the twins and Madeleine were in perfect condition." (GM 4 May)

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id192.html

"There is a report from Control Risks, the first private detective agency which was brought to the case [by the McCanns] in the very first days, where they state, after speaking with Gerald McCann and other witnesses in that group [Tapas 9], that the key that Mr. Gerald McCann alleges to have used had in fact been left in the kitchen, in the kitchen’s counter. Right away, the lies started." (GA)

http://joana-morais.blogspot.com/2012/03/maddie-case-goncalo-amaral-returns-to.html

'The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statement might lead us to suspect a homicide. This is a lead that should be investigated." (Lee Rainbow)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1250084/How-letter-UK-police-turned-spotlight-Kate-Gerry-McCann.html

Thank you. So different stories from the newspapers again.

What Lee Rainbow actually said....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1163.msg32653#msg32653
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t2450-what-lee-rainbow-actually-said

[pathfinder73]

Thank you. So different stories from the newspapers again.

What Lee Rainbow actually said....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1163.msg32653#msg32653
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t2450-what-lee-rainbow-actually-said

Have you read his report? Homicide are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

[Anna]

Have you read his report? Homicide are investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

If this well respected poster. believed that this was the actual transcript as quoted,
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1163.msg32655#msg32655
then I believe it to be correct, but if you choose not too believe it then that is your choice.

However since none of us have seen this full report, only the transcript of the quote used in court,  it seems to have many meanings to different people.

Yes I know that the disappearance of Maddie is being investigated, as do we all, PF. It is an abduction, so we are told, that is under investigation, now

[Brietta]

Thank you. So different stories from the newspapers again.

What Lee Rainbow actually said....
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=1163.msg32653#msg32653
http://justice4mccannfam.5forum.biz/t2450-what-lee-rainbow-actually-said

I wonder if this was the fabled "Ace up the sleeve" we heard so much about. 

I can't find a copy of Lee Rainbow's Report (anyone seen it?) ... I presume it must have been in the "confidential" files, some of which were not released on the request of Leicestershire Police.

Therefore the only possible check we have are newspaper reports of the trial which quote only Dr Amaral's lawyer's interpretation of what was said ... so knowing that those closest to the victim are eliminated in the first instance it is extraordinary it took a criminal profiler to indicate what action should have been taken in policing terms right at the beginning of the investigation.

Lee Rainbow's report actually highlights another glaring omission in the conduct of Madeleine's McCann's case.


**snip**
Details of the confidential report emerged during the final day of a libel trial involving former Portuguese detective Goncalo Amaral, who led the Madeleine investigation.

Amaral is trying to overturn a worldwide injunction banning the publication of his book Maddie: The Truth of the Lie. In it he claims Kate and Gerry were involved in Madeleine's death and staged her disappearance. His lawyer, Antonio Cabrita, told the court that Rainbow wrote: "It was Madeleine's father who was the last one to see her alive.

"The family is a lead that should be followed.

The contradictions in Gerald McCann's statements might lead us to suspect a homicide."

Cabrita added: "This report has never been published before but is part of the investigation. On June 1st 2007 British police had the theory that Madeleine could be dead and the family could be involved.

"It was British police who said they must consider not only abduction but homicide as well."

The NPIA provided a checklist of what should be done, advising the Portuguese police to include the McCanns in their inquiry and take new forensics at their holiday apartment in Praia da Luz.

Last night an NPIA spokesman said: "In disappearance cases it is common for the NPIA to advise investigating officers to consider the possibility of the involvement of family and close friends. The NPIA gave similar generic advice to the Portuguese police in the Madeleine McCann case."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mccanns-should-be-treated-as-suspects-brit-200689

[Anna]

I think the report is withheld from the public.

Now can we please all get back on the topic of the thread. thank you