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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1035 on: April 20, 2015, 03:49:27 PM »
How do you KNOW that her son was at night creche?   His grandparents could have been over in a nerby flat.  They might have hda a listening device or have used the half hourly checks.

How do you know?  Please share it with us.



And you have posted the Tapas diners.  I can see no Dawn Buller.  That is not say that she wasn't there, but no proof or indication on that list that I can see.

Please can  you tell us why you posted thta list.  What has it to do with a "Dawn Buller"


Have I missed something?

Bullen is there on the tapas sheet booked at 7pm and her room number. You can get information from that in the files. It's not 100% but it's very likely. She had a child in that Toddler's group. Look at the creche sheets for Otis and signature.
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Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1036 on: April 20, 2015, 04:10:49 PM »
Buller is there on the tapas sheet booked at 7pm and her room number. You can get information from that in the files. It's not 100% but it's very likely. She had a child in that Toddler's group. Look at the creche sheets for Otis and signature.

The Bullen booking at the dinner table was for 4.
There are other people within the Mark Warner guest list who fit the criteria but were not dining at the Tapas.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1037 on: April 20, 2015, 04:51:14 PM »
The Bullen booking at the dinner table was for 4.
There are other people within the Mark Warner guest list who fit the criteria but were not dining at the Tapas.

Probably another couple. 4ad = 4 adults IMO.



Confirmation of Toddlers 2 group re JW statement. "she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2)"

« Last Edit: April 20, 2015, 05:07:12 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1038 on: April 20, 2015, 06:22:41 PM »
Probably another couple. 4ad = 4 adults IMO.



Confirmation of Toddlers 2 group re JW statement. "she was the mother of a child there (belonging to Toddlers 2)"



What about the other 8 children on the Toddlers 2 list?
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Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1039 on: April 20, 2015, 08:11:03 PM »
What about the other 8 children on the Toddlers 2 list?

Toddlers group is 2 year old with Sean and Amelie. Mann's child was 3. It's not Carpenter or Edmonds. Patell 4 years old and another 11 months. Cox 17 months. Dawn Bullen could be a valuable witness for SY if she was present when the alarm was raised. They can investigate if it was in fact her and also watch "Evil under the Sun" which they may find enlightening.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1040 on: April 20, 2015, 08:18:03 PM »
Toddlers group is 2 year old with Sean and Amelie. Mann's child was 3. It's not Carpenter or Edmonds. Patell 4 years old and another 11 months. Cox 17 months. Dawn Bullen could be a valuable witness for SY if she was present when the alarm was raised. They can investigate if it was in fact her and also watch "Evil under the Sun" which they may find enlightening.

My list refers to the children who were in Toddlers 2 - not the people who were dining at the Tapas. You have no idea if the woman collecting her child had been dining in the Tapas or not - only that at some stage, on her way to the crèche, she was made aware of Madeleine's disappearance.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1041 on: April 20, 2015, 08:25:06 PM »
My list refers to the children who were in Toddlers 2 - not the people who were dining at the Tapas. You have no idea if the woman collecting her child had been dining in the Tapas or not - only that at some stage, on her way to the crèche, she was made aware of Madeleine's disappearance.

It's a lead that connects so you follow and investigate it. She was there that night and her son is in Toddlers 2.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1042 on: April 20, 2015, 08:27:06 PM »
It's a lead that connects so you follow and investigate it. She was there that night and her son is in Toddlers 2.

Perhaps you would lead us all to her statement.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1043 on: April 20, 2015, 08:30:12 PM »
Perhaps you would lead us all to her statement.

I can't find one in the files. Many flew back home on the 5th so she could be in LP files like Crecheman was going from that newspaper report. The McCanns wanted access to LP files. Maybe they investigated it or will be doing now  8)--))
« Last Edit: April 20, 2015, 08:33:50 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1044 on: April 20, 2015, 08:33:35 PM »
I can't find one in the files.

If it isn't in the files then it doesn't implicate the McCanns or their friends. Simple logic.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1045 on: April 20, 2015, 08:34:22 PM »
If it isn't in the files then it doesn't implicate the McCanns or their friends. Simple logic.

See amended above - could be in LP files the McCanns wanted to see.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1046 on: April 20, 2015, 08:42:04 PM »
See amended above - could be in LP files the McCanns wanted to see.

I'm sure SY have long since reviewed & retaken statements from all the UK holidaymakers in PdL that night. But you can rest assured that, if Mrs Bullen had witnessed anything untoward at the Tapas Bar that night, it would have made its way online into the mythpit.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1047 on: April 20, 2015, 09:33:36 PM »
I'm sure SY have long since reviewed & retaken statements from all the UK holidaymakers in PdL that night. But you can rest assured that, if Mrs Bullen had witnessed anything untoward at the Tapas Bar that night, it would have made its way online into the mythpit.

She could hold vital timeline information. Did she witness the alarm being raised? How long after the alarm did she leave? Did she know the time? It could take her about 5 minutes to walk that distance. The mother arrived at the night creche at 10:05 from JW statement informing them about the disappearance.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2015, 09:40:03 PM by pathfinder73 »
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline misty

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1048 on: April 20, 2015, 09:45:12 PM »
She could hold vital timeline information. Did she witness the alarm being raised? How long after the alarm did she leave? Did she know the time? It could take her about 5 minutes to walk that distance. The mother arrived at the night creche at 10:05 from JW statement informing them about the disappearance.

I totally agree. But like the Sperry, Carpenter, Irwin, Berry, Balu et al statements taken at the time, they curiously didn't find their way onto the internet.
Who knows-perhaps Mrs Bullen saw an individual lurking around the reception. That wouldn't have done much for the hypothesis - or your theory.

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Strange Witness Statements
« Reply #1049 on: April 20, 2015, 09:58:07 PM »
I totally agree. But like the Sperry, Carpenter, Irwin, Berry, Balu et al statements taken at the time, they curiously didn't find their way onto the internet.
Who knows-perhaps Mrs Bullen saw an individual lurking around the reception. That wouldn't have done much for the hypothesis - or your theory.

"The careful and critical analysis of the timeline has been absolutely key. Primarily, we are focused on the area between 8.30pm and 10pm." (DCI Redwood)

The timeline is key in Evil under the Sun.
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.