Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[pathfinder73]

Well he is Gerry because it's his statement. This will come out in time if it goes to trial.

[pegasus]

so you are quoting amaral...a proven liar

These insults against a man of integrity  I find difficult to understand.
Yes there are mistakes in his investigation.
But where have you seen him prompting a witness during police and press interviews?
Integrity.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Heart failure (coloboma is associated to this).
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253679/Parents-grief-daughter-Madeline-Campion-Marsh-4-died-heart-attack.html

Yes, this is one of the risks associated with Madeleine's condition.

But if she had died of a heart attack that night, a post mortem would have demonstrated the fact.

So her parents would have nothing to fear in being considered in any way responsible, and would have no reason to cover up her death.

[colombosstogey]

Yes, this is one of the risks associated with Madeleine's condition.

But if she had died of a heart attack that night, a post mortem would have demonstrated the fact.

So her parents would have nothing to fear in being considered in any way responsible, and would have no reason to cover up her death.

UNLESS it was triggered by something else............

[Mr Gray]

Well he is Gerry because it's his statement. This will come out in time if it goes to trial.

It will never come to trial..imo...all statement inadmissible because ..no caution....not in English    etc etc

[Mr Gray]

Yes, this is one of the risks associated with Madeleine's condition.

But if she had died of a heart attack that night, a post mortem would have demonstrated the fact.

So her parents would have nothing to fear in being considered in any way responsible, and would have no reason to cover up her death.

 Has it EVER been shown that Maddioe had a coloboma...Kate described it as  a fleck...another myth

[jassi]

It will never come to trial..imo...all statement inadmissible because ..no caution....not in English    etc etc

Surely if it were ever to come to a trial, it would be preceded by a new round of questioning  and statements.

[Mr Gray]

Surely if it were ever to come to a trial, it would be preceded by a new round of questioning  and statements.

 Of course it would..but nothing the pj gathered would be admissible...and as the lead detective has written his book...the whole thing is absurd... Im not 100% but wthout some really, really compelling evidence I think the book means a trial could never happen...well done amaral

[jassi]

Of course it would..but nothing the pj gathered would be admissible...and as the lead detective has written his book...the whole thing is absurd... Im not 100% but wthout some really, really compelling evidence I think the book means a trial could never happen...well done amaral

I would have thought such an outcome would suit you down to the ground - just what you seem to be striving for.

[Benice]

Seems that whenever Gerry lies he's just mistaken. Very convenient.

Like I said earlier people tells lies because they have a need to hide the truth. The thing is people don't lie all the time so you cannot say because one lied over a specific incident they are always lying but like the boy who cried wolf it harms their credibility. It's important to find the lies then ask what truth are they trying to hide?
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So what did Gerry have to gain by deliberating lying and saying he decided not to go in by patio door but instead decided to take the very much long route?   What truth was he seeking to hide?

What possible reason is there for him to want the police to believe he did that?

And more to the point why didn't the PJ officer ask him why he would make such an irrational decision over which  door he walked to  - when the only reason for his visit to 5A was to check on the children?  Why didn't it occur to him that no normal person would deliberately take the long way round and want to clear that point up with GM

So why didn't the PJ officer ask ''Why did you decide take the long route round to the front door- when it was so much quicker to just go up the steps and go in by the back door?

IMO the reason why the PJ officer did not pick up on that glaring anomaly was because at that first interview neither he nor the interpreter were familiar with the layout of 5A and somewhere along the line genuine misunderstandings arose between the three of them over the doors.    If he had asked Gerry that obvious question I mention above  - I reckon it would have been cleared up there and then.   

For whatever reason the error first occurred -  it was corrected at the next interview.   Does Amaral mention that in his book?  If not then IMO that is another example of Lying By Omission.

[pinkblossoms]

Did Gerry ever enter the apartment?

Jez Wilkins in his statement said he met him near the gate and that he appeared to have come down the steps from the apartment. What if that presumption of Jez was wrong and Gerry never actually made it into the apartment? This widens the timeline further. If the conversation with Jez and then returning to his meal took precedent then this would be a selfish act that he may have felt ashamed of, hence the need to hide the truth. The confusion with the door arises because in this scenario no door is entered.

I have no idea whether this happened or not. It's simply in reply to why someone would have a need to lie.

why would Gerry lie as to where he stood talking to jez,its abviously a mistake or maybe it was jez that was mistaken,why does it have to be Gerry ?

[pathfinder73]

If the front door key was used then it was the nearest entrance and if it was then you have to ask yourself how it became the nearest entrance? Was he busy doing something else as soon as he left the tapas bar? That was the perfect time if you had to do something as everyone else was at the table and couldn't see him. As soon as Matt returned from checking at the shutters - the last one to arrive at the tapas bar - Gerry was gone which Matt found to be odd like a MAN ON A MISSION!

If Kate was so concerned when talking to Fiona at the table about whether to leave the patio door unlocked and the crying episode then why did she sit with her back to the apartment so she couldn't even see it from the tapas bar? Explain that one. They have a lot of explaining to do. There's contradictions and discrepancies everywhere in this case and when detectives take all these into account they know something very strange is going on.

[Redblossom]

If the front door key was used then it was the nearest entrance and if it was then you have to ask yourself how it became the nearest entrance? Was he busy doing something else as soon as he left the tapas bar? That was the perfect time if you had to do something as everyone else was at the table and couldn't see him. As soon as Matt returned from checking at the shutters - the last one to arrive at the tapas bar - Gerry was gone which Matt found to be odd like a MAN ON A MISSION!

If Kate was so concerned when talking to Fiona at the table about whether to leave the patio door unlocked and the crying episode then why did she sit with her back to the apartment so she couldn't even see it from the tapas bar? Explain that one. They have a lot of explaining to do. There's contradictions and discrepancies everywhere in this case and when detectives take all these into account they know something very strange is going on.

Never thought of that, good thnking outside the box there!

There was no translation error as many tout.....to say you entered your flat using your key means one thing only, you entered via the front door as that is the only door you can enter usng a key....all the rest about mistranslations, him beng confused, translators, gnr, being confused etc etc is all just apologist guff

[Mr Gray]

Never thought of that, good thnking outside the box there!

There was no translation error as many tout.....to say you entered your flat using your key means one thing only, you entered via the front door as that is the only door you can enter usng a key....all the rest about mistranslations, him beng confused, translators, gnr, being confused etc etc is all just apologist guff

 just because this one sentence wasn't mistranslated doesn't mean others werent

[Mr Gray]

So if Gerry did actually enter the apartment via the patio doors then he lied about the key. If he entered via the front then why did he go the long way? Was the patio initially locked when they left at 8.30. Then when Gerry checked did he enter via the front but yet leave via the patio? Jez assumed he'd come from the steps. Why would Gerry be mistaken  about the side of the road they were on and why would it be so important for Gerry to state that Jane and Jez were incorrect?

You just need to read the files..its all there...exactly what Gerry said...word for word written in portuguese