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Offline VIXTE

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #855 on: June 16, 2014, 01:21:22 AM »
5.  After 10 p.m Dianne Webster comes and finds out the window is fully closed and the blind almost fully. Who closed it and why?

Two little children were sleeping inside. Of course someone, whoever, is going to close the window.

The blind was probably left as it was.

Martina

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #856 on: June 16, 2014, 01:31:58 AM »
Two little children were sleeping inside. Of course someone, whoever, is going to close the window.

The blind was probably left as it was.

Dianne Webster stated she tried to open the shutters from the outside. You cannot open (or try to open) the shutters that already are open.

Offline Brietta

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #857 on: June 16, 2014, 01:38:30 AM »
Dianne Webster stated she tried to open the shutters from the outside. You cannot open (or try to open) the shutters that already are open.

Is Dianne Webster one of the persons of interest to the Met and the PJ in the current investigation into what happened to Madeleine McCann?
Surely she had nothing to do with home invasions and surely her phone wasn't pinging in unison with those which have excited the interest of the PJ and the Met? 
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline VIXTE

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #858 on: June 16, 2014, 01:41:43 AM »
Dianne Webster stated she tried to open the shutters from the outside. You cannot open (or try to open) the shutters that already are open.

There are several shutters there.

Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #859 on: June 16, 2014, 01:49:40 AM »
You obviously haven't watched the video made by Pat Brown ... Peter Mac showed exactly how to do it ... sure still to be available on You Tube.
I watched ages ago and he certainly doesn't solve it.
It's a 3-stage method
He demonstrates (illegally BTW) only stage 1.
He was prevented from doing stage 2.
Therefore he never got the chance to try to figure out stage 3..
Watch Heriberto video of all 3 stages.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2014, 01:53:15 AM by pegasus »

Martina

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #860 on: June 16, 2014, 02:07:39 AM »
So, who closed the shutters?

Ah, I have my answer. Gerry McCann, 10th May statement.

The deponent ran to the apartment accompanied by the rest of the group who, at the time, were seated at the table. When he arrived at the bedroom he first noticed that the door was completely open, the window was also open on one side, the external blinds almost fully raised, the curtains drawn back, MADELEINE'S bed was empty but the twins continued sleeping in their cribs. He clarifies that according to what KATE told him, that was the scene that she found when she entered the apartment.
----- Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside.


Incredible. isn't it? His wife is screaming, his daughter is gone, and what is he doing, looking for his child? No. He closes the shutters and then tries to open them from the outside, as if it was the most important thing at the moment. Not that there was an urgent need to find his own child.
Sigh.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2014, 02:45:50 AM by John »

Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #861 on: June 16, 2014, 02:41:37 AM »
...tries to open them from the outside...
At this point in time, despite thousands of posts to the contrary, no-one was staging anything nor faking behaviour.
Faced with the evidence of the open window and shutter, this is a genuine attempt, , to try to work out what has happened, to work out whether it's possible someone opened the window and shutter from outside, or if not, what did happen.

Offline misty

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #862 on: June 16, 2014, 02:46:25 AM »
At this point in time, despite thousands of posts to the contrary, no-one was staging anything nor faking behaviour.
Faced with the evidence of the open window and shutter, this is a genuine attempt, , to try to work out what has happened, to work out whether it's possible someone opened the window and shutter from outside, or if not, what did happen.

You won't convince the doubters. Sadly their minds are like the shutters which cannot be opened from the outside.

Offline Benice

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #863 on: June 19, 2014, 05:30:40 PM »
I have no difficulty at all in believing Kate when she said she found the window and shutters open.  If she and Gerry had decided to open them as part of a plan they would have made sure that  scuff marks or other signs of a break in would be found.     And in the knowledge that there could be no 'stranger's' fingerprints at the scene, they would have made damn sure none of their own were there either.   After all, this was going to be their  'proof' of an intruder and so it was of major importance to get it right. 

For them not to have realised any of the above would mean they were both on a par with 'simpletons' when it came to their intelligence levels.   Anyone who thinks they were both that stupid is simply choosing to ignore the obvious.  IMO.

In the first interviews it was confirmed that Matthew had entered via the unlocked patio doors - and so there was no attempt to hide the fact that those doors were not locked.

The shutters could be opened from the outside - and there is a video to prove it.



« Last Edit: June 20, 2014, 01:00:14 AM by John »
The notion that innocence prevails over guilt – when there is no evidence to the contrary – is what separates civilization from barbarism.    Unfortunately, there are remains of barbarism among us.    Until very recently, it headed the PJ in Portimão. I hope he was the last one.
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stephen25000

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #864 on: June 19, 2014, 08:59:40 PM »

There is no proof that the shutters were jemmied.

As to abduction...JS  evidence of that.
« Last Edit: June 20, 2014, 01:07:33 AM by John »

Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #865 on: June 19, 2014, 11:06:22 PM »
The psychology is: guests assume that if shutter is down no need to check if window is locked (source RO rog).

Offline pathfinder73

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #866 on: June 19, 2014, 11:13:14 PM »
The psychology is: guests assume that if shutter is down no need to check if window is locked (source RO rog).

MW don't check the windows are locked and secure when guests move out? They just leave them open so a burglar can get inside?
Smithman carrying a child in his arms checked his watch after passing the Smith family and the time was 10:03. Both are still unidentified 10 years later.

Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #867 on: June 19, 2014, 11:27:34 PM »
MW don't check the windows are locked and secure when guests move out? They just leave them open so a burglar can get inside?
In interval between one family leaving and another arriving there was no item inside worth stealing.

Offline pegasus

Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #868 on: June 19, 2014, 11:32:47 PM »
...Any rod of metal would do the job, you know that.
The adults did not check if window was locked. Window & shutter were opened from outside without force.
« Last Edit: June 19, 2014, 11:34:25 PM by pegasus »

Martina

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Re: Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?
« Reply #869 on: June 19, 2014, 11:39:49 PM »
The adults did not check if window was locked. Window & shutter were opened from outside without force.

Remember Dianne Webster's statement? She was unable to open the shutters from the outside. Annnd there is no evidence whatsoever that the shuttters and the window were opened from the outside.