Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[mercury]

IMO he/she opened it from outside but never entered, Mercury.  The reason is obvious.

Theres no evidence still, the window could be opened from outside Pegasus, ie that it was NOT closed

[G-Unit]

Not assuming anything, I worked it out.
The crime-scene description by the witness fits with the hard evidence in this room G-Unit.
For example do you realise that this window does not auto-lock?

It doesn't matter whether the shutters can be opened from outside or whether the window doesn't auto-lock if they were never open, does it? First demonstrate that they were actually open as described, then discuss how and why.

[pegasus]

It doesn't matter whether the shutters can be opened from outside or whether the window doesn't auto-lock if they were never open, does it? First demonstrate that they were actually open as described, then discuss how and why.

I've described a simple sequence of events which would produce exactly the scene this witness describes.
Therefore I believe the witness. If you have a theory in which the window and shutter and bedroom door are discovered closed at 10pm, please post it.
Have you read the statement which says that some windows in this building were found to be closed but not locked ?
Why do you assume 5A would be any different ?

[mercury]

Could have been lies/staged, no evidence it wasnt

[pathfinder73]

IMO a person opened it from outside but never entered, Mercury.  The reason is obvious.

And before you assume the window was locked - have you read the T7 rogs - about some windows being not locked ?

It had to be unlocked to be opened from the outside.

[pegasus]

Could have been lies/staged, no evidence it wasnt

So at 10pm do you believe the shutter was not open?

[pegasus]

It had to be unlocked to be opened from the outside. Never believe witnesses until you know they are credible. Deleting phone calls and not telling the cops about it the next day is not being honest. That's your weakness believing everyone is honest. Get in the real world.

Have you read the t7 rog about windows being found to be unlocked?
How people are involved and lying in your theory?
How does that number compare with solved cases in the real world?
It's a useful reality check.

[pathfinder73]

Have you read the t7 rog about windows being found to be unlocked?
How people are involved and lying in your theory?
How does that number compare with solved cases in the real world?
It's a useful reality check.

Let me give you a guarantee - people involved are lying.

[pegasus]

Let me give you a guarantee - people involved are lying.

So do you believe that when KM arrived to do her check the shutter was not open?

[pathfinder73]

So do you believe that when KM arrived to do her check the shutter was not open?

Let's put it this way. It ruled out the wandered out theory and why they screamed abduction right away but forgot to phone the police for some strange reason and then Smithman is seen. Everything connects.

[misty]

Let's look at it from another angle. Why would a burglar have picked that particular window to open, rather than 5B, 5D or even upstairs 5H?
5A & 5B front windows are very close to the car-park wall and also above a height for easy access. They are also visible from the car park to anyone looking in that direction & apparently partially illuminated by a street light. Only the front doors of those 2 apartments are recessed and out of easy vision. Emergency exit would not be straightforward, especially if the front door is double-locked.
The front windows to 5C & 5D are recessed under the landing balcony for the first floor, and less visible. The window to 5H (1st floor) is a much more burglar-friendly
height for a speedy exit, as Mrs Fenn would have testified.
So, of all the doors a burglar could have knocked on to check for occupancy before lifting a shutter & opening the window, why select 5A?

[pegasus]

Let's put it this way. It ruled out the wandered out theory and why they screamed abduction right away but forgot to phone the police for some strange reason and then Smithman is seen. Everything connects.

So in your theory when does someone first open the shutter?

[mercury]

So at 10pm do you believe the shutter was not open?

i cant believe. Anything i wasnt there but i know what i think if thats ok,,,
Bit like gaza and isreal ...,

To answer your question NO  or rather yes if it fits

[pathfinder73]

So in your theory when does someone first open the shutter?

When the window was opened. Hopefully somebody left a clue but no glove marks. You have witnesses walking through that car park and did anybody see the shutters raised?  Show me the statements where others said they saw the shutters raised and at what time?

[pegasus]

Let's look at it from another angle. Why would a burglar have picked that particular window to open, rather than 5B, 5D or even upstairs 5H?
5A & 5B front windows are very close to the car-park wall and also above a height for easy access. They are also visible from the car park to anyone looking in that direction & apparently partially illuminated by a street light. Only the front doors of those 2 apartments are recessed and out of easy vision. Emergency exit would not be straightforward, especially if the front door is double-locked.
The front windows to 5C & 5D are recessed under the landing balcony for the first floor, and less visible. The window to 5H (1st floor) is a much more burglar-friendly
height for a speedy exit, as Mrs Fenn would have testified.
So, of all the doors a burglar could have knocked on to check for occupancy before lifting a shutter & opening the window, why select 5A?

I don't know exact reason why 5A was chosen.
Why was 5G chosen? Why was 5L chosen? Why was 4A chosen?
BTW they all have a waist height window, even on 1st and 2nd floor.