Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[mercury]

Quite simply the shutters were in the raised position when Dr Kate McCann saw them because the person who raised them knew how to do it.

You know that Heri has demonstrated how easy it is to do as he demonstrates here ...
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

     

ONLY if the window was not shut to and someone could easily open it. If it was, it is just a theory/speculation.

This theory (that the window was open) also sheds light on the scant regard the parents had for safety. Not only for their possessions but with regard to leaving three toddlers on their own. You only nip to the shops for five minutes but make sure you don't leave accessible windows unchecked!

[Brietta]

ONLY if the window was not shut to and someone could easily open it. If it was, it is just a theory/speculation.

This theory (that the window was open) also sheds light on the scant regard the parents had for safety. Not only for their possessions but with regard to leaving three toddlers on their own. You only nip to the shops for five minutes but make sure you don't leave accessible windows unchecked!

The witness evidence that the window was open and the shutter up ...

Unfortunately the Drs McCann thought when the shutter was down it was locked and secure.  Hence Dr Gerry McCann checking it out by lowering the shutter and going outside to 'prove' it could not be raised from outside.

[pegasus]

Do you have a theory as to what time they were opened?

After about 8.30pm (parents depart) but before about 10.00pm (mother arrives).

[mercury]

The witness evidence that the window was open and the shutter up ...

Unfortunately the Drs McCann thought when the shutter was down it was locked and secure.  Hence Dr Gerry McCann checking it out by lowering the shutter and going outside to 'prove' it could not be raised from outside.

Read again. there is no evidence the kids' bedroom window was left open IN ORDER for someone who managed to raise the shutter from outside, could slide it (the window) across and hence  put his hand in anc use the strap to pull on the mechanism that raises and stops the shutters (up ) as PER Heribertos theory

[pegasus]

The witness evidence that the window was open and the shutter up ...

Unfortunately the Drs McCann thought when the shutter was down it was locked and secure.  Hence Dr Gerry McCann checking it out by lowering the shutter and going outside to 'prove' it could not be raised from outside.

Yes the point is that GM doubted that opening from outside was possible.
His test was completely genuine (and not acting as some claim).
But like Amaral and possibly like SY even now, he failed to solve the method - he got only 1 of the 3 steps.

[G-Unit]

After about 8.30pm (parents depart) but before about 10.00pm (mother arrives).

Why didn't Matthew Oldfield notice then? Shutter open, window open, curtains open Kate said.

[Brietta]

Read again. there is no evidence the kids' bedroom window was left open IN ORDER for someone who managed to raise the shutter from outside, could slide it (the window) across and hence  put his hand in anc use the strap to pull on the mechanism that raises and stops the shutters (up ) as PER Heribertos theory

Read what again?

Did you state somewhere "the kids' bedroom window was left open IN ORDER for someone who managed to raise the shutter from outside, could slide it (the window) across and hence  put his hand in anc use the strap to pull on the mechanism that raises and stops the shutters (up ) as PER Heribertos theory"? because I certainly said nothing of the kind and neither did Heri.

Quote
"4. May 3rd. 2007: between 21:40 and 21:49 approximately  the abductor, a burglar who was an Ocean Club employee or who had received information from an Ocen Club employee (and who had not the intention to abduct a child), took Madeleine without entering the apartment 5A, opening the window from the outside, without damaging it (the glass panes were closed but unlocked). Awakened by the noise and/or light from the opening, Madeleine went to the window thinking it was one of her parents, somewhat somnolent and very tired, and was taken by the burglar who panicked". Heri:    end quote

The demonstration shows how easy it was for an individual, who may have been opportunistically acting on his own, or with accomplices in a pre-planned operation to raise the shutter in about fifty seconds.

[Anna]

Why didn't Matthew Oldfield notice then? Shutter open, window open, curtains open Kate said.

Maybe the disappearance happened after that check. Between 9.30pm and 9.40pm, when JT went to relieve take over from her husband who was tending his sick child.

[pathfinder73]

Quite simply the shutters were in the raised position when Dr Kate McCann saw them because the person who raised them knew how to do it.

You know that Heri has demonstrated how easy it is to do as he demonstrates here ...
http://espacioexterior.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/the-madeleine-mccann-abduction-janosch.html

     

Only her fingerprints were identified on the window and no glove marks.

[pegasus]

Why didn't Matthew Oldfield notice then? Shutter open, window open, curtains open Kate said.

My opinion of when the window and shutter were opened is
"After about 8.30pm (parents depart) but before about 10.00pm (mother arrives)".

IMO it is possible they might have been opened before 9.30pm.

At the 10pm check the only reason the open window and shutter were noticed was because the checker closed then opened the bedroom door causing sudden air pressure adjustments which blew curtains which were blocking checker's view of the open window and shutter. IMO if 9.30pm checker had closed then opened bedroom door he might have noticed exactly same as the 10pm checker.
 

[Benice]

If Gerry did touch the shutters then he must have pulled them back down because when Dianne got there they were down not raised. Dianne got to the apartment 5 minutes after the alarm and only Kate was present.

But Gerry contradicts it in his statement

Then he closed the external blinds, made his way to the outside and tried to open them, which he managed to do, much to his surprise given that he thought that that was only possible from the inside.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/GERRY-MCCANN-10MAY.htm

So they should be raised not down when Dianne got there  &%+((£

They continued with searches outside around the various apartment blocks, the deponent having asked MATHEW who went to the secondary reception [where] the event was communicated to the local police, since he had no doubt that his daughter had been kidnapped [abducted]. He refutes, peremptorily, the notion [idea/hypothesis] that MADELEINE could have left the apartment by her own means.

He told Matt? It was Fiona according to her and Matt. Another query in his statement that was signed.

IMO It's quite possible that they both told Matt.   

[mercury]

Read what again?

Did you state somewhere "the kids' bedroom window was left open IN ORDER for someone who managed to raise the shutter from outside, could slide it (the window) across and hence  put his hand in anc use the strap to pull on the mechanism that raises and stops the shutters (up ) as PER Heribertos theory"? because I certainly said nothing of the kind and neither did Heri.

Quote
"4. May 3rd. 2007: between 21:40 and 21:49 approximately  the abductor, a burglar who was an Ocean Club employee or who had received information from an Ocen Club employee (and who had not the intention to abduct a child), took Madeleine without entering the apartment 5A, opening the window from the outside, without damaging it (the glass panes were closed but unlocked). Awakened by the noise and/or light from the opening, Madeleine went to the window thinking it was one of her parents, somewhat somnolent and very tired, and was taken by the burglar who panicked". Heri:    end quote

The demonstration shows how easy it was for an individual, who may have been opportunistically acting on his own, or with accomplices in a pre-planned operation to raise the shutter in about fifty seconds.

Why do you have to make such a meal of everythng. It is very simple. All I pointed out to you was the fact that Heribertos (or anyone else's) theory of burglar entry via shutter and window or non entry but opening shutters and window to lift a child out of it is not feasible unless it is a fact (and it is not presently)  that the window was not secured, IE CLOSED. And windows can be closed but not LOCKED. That's all.

[pathfinder73]

IMO It's quite possible that they both told Matt.

Not if he wasn't there. Matt didn't see Gerry again after they split up to search until he came to the reception at 10:40.

I think it's Stuart HILL or, well the Manager, the sort of Manager got involved, that might have been when it occurred. Erm, so there was plenty of running around through the back streets and back to the apartment and then, you know, where's the, where are the Police, where are the Police, erm, and so went back down to the reception, this would have been about thirty minutes or so later, erm, back to reception, erm, and at that point, Gerry had come down as well.

Dave and Russell were just running off sort of shouting, so Fiona, I think, asked me to go and phone the Police.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/MATTHEW-OLDFIELD-ROGATORY.htm

I remember saying to Matt at that point 'You go down to main reception and phone the Police'.

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/FIONA-PAYNE-ROGATORY.htm

[pegasus]

Some of the windows in 5G were discovered afterwards to be closed but not locked.
What is so unlikely about a window in 5A being closed but not locked?

[mercury]

Some of the windows in 5G were discovered afterwards to be closed but not locked.
What is so unlikely about a window in 5A being closed but not locked?

Security wise Windows are designed to be closed or closed and locked. No window can be described as closed if it is actually OPEN


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