Could an intruder have opened the shutter and climbed in the window?

[pegasus]

there is the window where we found Kate’s finger prints, the mother of the girl. She said that she had never touched that window, and the cleaning lady assured that she had cleaned it on the previous day. (GA)

All 5 of her prints were on the inside surface of the glass pathfinder.
Read the forensic document - it's in portuguese obviously.
Notice the word "vidro".
Look it up in a dictionary.

[Miss Taken Identity]

They were totally crap but you're wrong the didn't even check or touch the windows and shutters all week "apparently". not even to let in fresh air! let alone secure the safety of their babies. A load of TOTAL baloney if youask me. or else they really were that crap

It was Kate who said she knew right away Maddie was abucted, because of the window and shutters being open!  That story was relayed to the UK public as being OMG shutters were jemmied and window was open and Maddie was gone! So.. what were we to make of that?

[mercury]

It was Kate who said she knew right away Maddie was abucted, because of the window and shutters being open!  That story was relayed to the UK public as being OMG shutters were jemmied and window was open and Maddie was gone! So.. what were we to make of that?

The Shutters were smashed apparently, well, not, in reality,at all

[Miss Taken Identity]

The Shutters were smashed apparently, well, not, in reality,at all

Yes!  more dramatic... until some daft sod owned up to an unlocked door...oops! So the story opened up, eventually, and woke and wandered was on the table as a good thesis. Oh and the parents versions were, well challenged. And when they were challenged, that is when Gerry n Kate got on the case and started the whole" PR" moves. Damage limitation eh?
1. they created a window 'child snatcher'
2. they invented themselves as victims ( removing Maddie as a victim-claiming she had come to no harm)
3. declared they were good parents- and blameless in Maddies dissapearance
4. finger pointed other people to deflect attention from themselves
5. created monsters in PDL
6.fuelled hatred towards the PJ and others who were looking for their daughter

[pegasus]

It's entirely possible to find a solution in which the window and shutter were genuinely found open.
Given that, I believe the witness.

[sadie]

Yes!  more dramatic... until some daft sod owned up to an unlocked door...oops! So the story opened up, eventually, and woke and wandered was on the table as a good thesis. Oh and the parents versions were, well challenged. And when they were challenged, that is when Gerry n Kate got on the case and started the whole" PR" moves. Damage limitation eh?
1. they created a window 'child snatcher'
2. they invented themselves as victims ( removing Maddie as a victim-claiming she had come to no harm)
3. declared they were good parents- and blameless in Maddies dissapearance
4. finger pointed other people to deflect attention from themselves
5. created monsters in PDL
6.fuelled hatred towards the PJ and others who were looking for their daughter

What a load of twisted twaddle fuelled by something, such as :-

Hatred for the parents?
... or something else?

It's entirely possible to find a solution in which the window and shutter were genuinely found open.
Given that, I believe the witness.

And here from Pegasus, we get the voice of reason.
Well done Pegasus,

[stephen25000]

What a load of twisted twaddle fuelled by something, such as :-

Hatred for the parents?
... or something else?

And here from Pegasus, we get the voice of reason.
Well done Pegasus,

Or of course it was all made up.

After all why was she searching the apartment, if the window was open ??? &%+((£

[sadie]

Or of course it was all made up.

After all why was she searching the apartment, if the window was open ??? &%+((£

Put your tghinking cap on stephen

Have you never heard of HOPE




And BTW,
We dont know with certainty just how wide the window was open
We dont know if Kate KNEW that Madeleine was unable to open such a window and shutters
We dont know if she knew that Madeleine would NOT have jumped such a height

We do know that Madeleine left her cuddle cat behind, the cuddle toy she carried everywhere .


Put your thinking cap on stephen

[stephen25000]

Put your tghinking cap on stephen

Have you never heard of HOPE




And BTW,
We dont know with certainty just how wide the window was open
We dont know if Kate KNEW that Madeleine was unable to open such a window and shutters
We dont know if she knew that Madeleine would NOT have jumped such a height

We do know that Madeleine left her cuddle cat behind, the cuddle toy she carried everywhere .


Put your thinking cap on stephen

Actually sadie, there is no independent corroboration the window was open before 10 pm.

Time for your cap sadie.

Pointers included.

[ferryman]

Put your tghinking cap on stephen

Have you never heard of HOPE




And BTW,
We dont know with certainty just how wide the window was open
We dont know if Kate KNEW that Madeleine was unable to open such a window and shutters
We dont know if she knew that Madeleine would NOT have jumped such a height

We do know that Madeleine left her cuddle cat behind, the cuddle toy she carried everywhere .


Put your thinking cap on stephen

We also know that Madeleine's only pair of outdoor shoes on that holiday were found inside the apartment ...

[Brietta]

Actually sadie, there is no independent corroboration the window was open before 10 pm.

Time for your cap sadie.

Pointers included.

Oh superb wheeze that one ... open a window to 'prove' an abductor ... then quickly close it before anyone can see it open ... absolutely brilliant.

[pegasus]

Oh superb wheeze that one ... open a window to 'prove' an abductor ... then quickly close it before anyone can see it open ... absolutely brilliant.

Good point Brietta. That would have been a superbly cunning wheeze to rival any of Baldrick's.

The fact is: If the window was fully closed but the lock button was not manually pressed in...
... then the window and shutter could be completely opened from outside in less than ten seconds.

[pathfinder73]

All 5 of her prints were on the inside surface of the glass pathfinder.
Read the forensic document - it's in portuguese obviously.
Notice the word "vidro".
Look it up in a dictionary.

How do you open the window?

[pegasus]

How do you open the window?

From inside: By gently pushing the handle in your left direction.

[pathfinder73]

From inside: By gently pushing the handle in your left direction.

So where is the window when it's fully open. Why would you be touching that side of the window? The curtains were trapped on that closed window side - the bed was up against the wall. How and why would they be open on that side?  You would look out the open window side and this not in her statement. Her first thought was to check the twins and then the apartment and then leave the twins. Madeleine could have been in that car park or could have fallen onto the ground outside the window. Why are none of those checks in her statement?