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Offline Mr Gray

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #15 on: August 03, 2020, 09:12:56 PM »
Then you are okay with Brueckner receiving huge wads of cash for the unsubstantiated allegations made about him in the press. Glad to hear it.

what unsutabntiated  allegations...I think you need to take  a reality check... then you need to understand the law in each country...

Offline Mr Gray

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #16 on: August 03, 2020, 09:18:06 PM »
lets just make this really simple....anyone who thinks CB has a libel case

cite please and stop the BS..


what staement and where  was it made

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #17 on: August 03, 2020, 09:21:08 PM »
Then you are okay with Brueckner receiving huge wads of cash for the unsubstantiated allegations made about him in the press. Glad to hear it.

In what universe would the state actually pay to help B fight such a corner? We can't even fight the Coronavirus (as you quire correctly point out)  so how and when would we rush to the defence of one of the most serious criminals in Europe jsut to prove a point (whatever that point would be) ?

Offline faithlilly

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #18 on: August 03, 2020, 09:25:41 PM »
what unsutabntiated  allegations...I think you need to take  a reality check... then you need to understand the law in each country...

The newspapers claimed that her parents sold Madeleine...that was an unsubstantiated claim. The parents sued and won.  The newspapers claimed that Brueckner may have been involved in Madeleine’s disappearance. He is never charged and therefore that is an unsubstantiated claim....do you see where I’m going with this ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline faithlilly

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #19 on: August 03, 2020, 09:28:49 PM »
In what universe would the state actually pay to help B fight such a corner? We can't even fight the Coronavirus (as you quire correctly point out)  so how and when would we rush to the defence of one of the most serious criminals in Europe jsut to prove a point (whatever that point would be) ?

The state ? Any libel lawyer would do it on a no win, no fee basis.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Mr Gray

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #20 on: August 03, 2020, 09:33:50 PM »
I think you’re out of your depth.

do you ...I dont think you have a clue ...all three investigatins agree with me,

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #21 on: August 03, 2020, 09:34:29 PM »
In what universe would the state actually pay to help B fight such a corner? We can't even fight the Coronavirus (as you quire correctly point out)  so how and when would we rush to the defence of one of the most serious criminals in Europe jsut to prove a point (whatever that point would be) ?

One of the most serious criminals in Europe?

20 year old paedophilia conviction, one rape conviction, drug dealing, burglary & fuel theft?

Not quite on par with Fred & Rose really is he.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline faithlilly

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #22 on: August 03, 2020, 09:38:07 PM »
do you ...I dont think you have a clue ...all three investigatins agree with me,

We’re not talking about the investigations.

If Brueckner is not charged in connection to Madeleine’s disappearance what would stop him suing newspapers who had alleged that he had ?

Over to you.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #23 on: August 03, 2020, 09:44:14 PM »
The state ? Any libel lawyer would do it on a no win, no fee basis.

Well good luck with that.

Offline faithlilly

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #24 on: August 03, 2020, 09:53:44 PM »
Well good luck with that.

It’ll have nothing to do with luck.
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #25 on: August 03, 2020, 10:08:41 PM »
Unlike two professional and well respected doctors, CB does not have a good name to be harmed by dint of the fact that he is a burglar a paedophile and a rapist with 17 convictions under his belt. 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Sherlock Holmes

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #26 on: August 03, 2020, 10:50:35 PM »
Unlike two professional and well respected doctors, CB does not have a good name to be harmed by dint of the fact that he is a burglar a paedophile and a rapist with 17 convictions under his belt.

One would laugh were only the topic less tragic.

Offline Brietta

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2020, 10:56:57 PM »
Unlike two professional and well respected doctors, CB does not have a good name to be harmed by dint of the fact that he is a burglar a paedophile and a rapist with 17 convictions under his belt.

Not forgetting his drug convictions.


It seems there is a dearth of material being posted on this thread that even hints at libel against Brueckner ~ but it certainly has seen one or two very revealing comments which are probably more to be pitied rather than laughed at :)
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #28 on: August 03, 2020, 11:01:02 PM »
Supreme Court clarifies 'serious harm' in defamation law
OUT-LAW NEWS | 17 Jun 2019 | 11:22 am | 2 min. read

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A statement will not be defamatory unless the claimant proves that it has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to their reputation, the UK's highest court has confirmed.
The Supreme Court's unanimous judgment will be widely welcomed by media publishers, although the publishers in this case lost their appeal on the facts, according to defamation law expert Alex Keenlyside of Pinsent Masons, the law firm behind Out-Law.com. This is because the issue which the Court was addressing - the correct approach to the 'serious harm' threshold in section 1 of the Defamation Act 2013 - was decided in a way that will make it harder for claimants to bring successful libel claims, he said.

Under the Defamation Act 2013, claimants must demonstrate that the publication of a statement has caused or is likely to cause serious harm to their reputation in order to bring a claim for defamation against the publisher of the statement. Both the High Court and Court of Appeal have considered what constitutes 'serious harm' since the Act came into force, but this is the first time the issue hasreached the Supreme Court.

The case concerns articles published by the Independent, the 'i', the Huffington Post and the London Evening Standard, which reported allegations of domestic violence and kidnap made against aerospace engineer Bruno Lachaux by his ex-wife. In July 2015, the High Court found that the allegations made would cause serious harm to Lachaux's reputation.

The publishers appealed that decision to the Court of Appeal. In September 2017, the Court of Appeal held that while the High Court judge had reached the correct outcome on the preliminary issue, it disagreed on various aspects of his approach to the interpretation of the serious harm test under the Act.

High Court judge Mr Justice Warby had ruled that the Act requires a claimant to prove, on the balance of probabilities, that the statement has in fact caused serious harm to their reputation, or probably will do so. According to the judge, parliament’s intention was that the court should consider not just the meaning of the statement but all the relevant circumstances, including what harm had actually occurred.

The Court of Appeal disagreed with the judge's approach, concluding that by introducing section 1, parliament had merely “given statutory status to the decision in Thornton [the 2011 case which established a substantial harm test] whilst at the same time raising the threshold from one of substantiality to one of seriousness”, and that this was “both the extent of and limit to the change in the law”.
The Supreme Court once again dismissed the publishers' appeal on the facts. However, it also overturned the Court of Appeal’s interpretation of the Act, preferring the approach adopted by the High Court judge. The Supreme Court found that section 1 of the Act “raises the threshold of seriousness”above that envisaged in the case law prior to the Act, and“requires its application to be determined by reference to the actual facts about [the statement in question’s] impact and not just to the meaning of the words”.

"The Court of Appeal’s strained interpretation of the serious harm test can now be put to one side in favour of a more logical and literal reading of the statute," said Alex Keenlyside of Pinsent Masons.

"What’s less clear at the moment is what this decision will mean for case management. An important driver for the introduction of the 'serious harm' requirement was to eliminate those cases at the more trivial end of the spectrum in which substantial amounts of court time and legal costs could still be generated. The challenge for judges now is to find a way of managing cases efficiently such that in appropriate cases the 'serious harm' point can be tested at an early stage in proceedings, rather than at trial when all of that time and cost has been incurred,” he said.

https://www.pinsentmasons.com/out-law/news/supreme-court-clarifies-serious-harm-in-defamation-law
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: All the lies the Media have told about Christian Bruckner
« Reply #29 on: August 03, 2020, 11:05:57 PM »
He wouldn’t have to prove anything, but he would have to employ some very expensive lawyers first.
Seems I was wrong if the article I quoted above is right.  Bruckner would have to prove that allegations made by the media had caused or was likely to cause serious harm to his (already in tatters) reputation.  Only a lawyer not in full command of his faculties would take on this case in a no win no fee basis imo.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly