The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!

[Carana]

I have no idea what happened to little Joana. Tragically, some kids are abused to death by those closest to them.

What is the hard evidence that this happened in this case??

[John]

Im not ignoring it ..where is it ... I haven't seen it

Stop being so obtuse Dave and open your eyes.

[sadie]

There undoubtedly is evidence Dave but you choose to ignore it for some reason?

They had every means to contact the police Sadie, in fact the police were stationed at the Fair just down the road so no excuses.  In my opinion the Court was correct to find her guilty of collusion certainly given all the circumstances.  I believe the brother did the dirty deed though.

I would be interested to read that info John.  Please could you guide me to it, with werbsite address?

Thank you.

[sadie]

Stop being so obtuse Dave and open your eyes.

That's not your usual srtandard of response John

Dave asked a civil question

[Mr Gray]

Stop being so obtuse Dave and open your eyes.

quite simply..can you tell me where I can see the evidence

[Eleanor]

Stop being so obtuse Dave and open your eyes.

Can you explain why one of The Judges refused to find Leonor Guilty?

[John]

That's not your usual srtandard of response John

Dave asked a civil question

No he didn't, he is just being flippant.  There is lots of evidence in the Cipriano case, agreed much of it is circumstantial but it is still evidence and for anyone to say there isn't is a nonsense.

[John]

Can you explain why one of The Judges refused to find Leonor Guilty?

No idea.  That's why they have more than one Judge.  Not every judicial decision is unanimous.

Now lets look at the reverse of the coin.  What evidence is there that they are innocent?

[Carana]

A brilliant analysis Carana. Well done!

The only thing that I would like to add is that it was reported that the last time she was seen was walking up the steps to the church, which is approximately half way home.  Approx 200 metres to go, according to reports

Thank you, Sadie.

According to the SC judgement, the neighbour who went out onto the balcony saw her on her way home from the shop.

It may well have been half-way... but you are far better than I am at working out distances.

[Eleanor]

No idea.  That's why they have more than one Judge.  Not every judicial decision is unanimous.

Two to One?  Hardly anywhere near unanimous.

[Carana]

No idea.  That's why they have more than one Judge.  Not every judicial decision is unanimous.

Now lets look at the reverse of the coin.  What evidence is there that they are innocent?

Guilty until proven innocent?

There was a jury in that case... How well prepared were they to go against the baying crowds?

[Angelo222]

What was she walking on Sadie?  Did she leave her shoes at home just for the hell of it??   

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[Carana]

What was she walking on Sadie?  Did she leave her shoes at home just for the hell of it??  

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I find that a bit* flippant in the case of a missing child with no concrete evidence as to her fate.

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[Mr Gray]

No he didn't, he is just being flippant.  There is lots of evidence in the Cipriano case, agreed much of it is circumstantial but it is still evidence and for anyone to say there isn't is a nonsense.

I think you misunderstand John.. I haven't seen any evidence apart from the confessions..you keep saying there's lots of evidence..well where is it

[Mr Gray]

Always remember that a now former member lectured some the other day on the difference between evidence and proof?

We didn't need a lecture ..most of us understand the difference...its quite obvious. Strange you bring this up because when I asked the former member for the evidence he became abusive