The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!

[John]

We didn't need a lecture ..most of us understand the difference...its quite obvious. Strange you bring this up because when I asked the former member for the evidence he became abusive

I didn't see all the posts since the mods intervened.

[John]

What was she walking on Sadie?  Did she leave her shoes at home just for the hell of it??   

ps  I have censured you for promoting lies Sadie.

Always remember that a now former member lectured some the other day on the difference between evidence and proof?

Get real Dave,  the blood stains, the delay in contacting police, the shoes still at home, the lies, the confessions, the ever changing story, the dozen or more claims by Leonor as to where the girls remains lay...

I could go on and on all day but I don't want to labour the point.  Its simpler to look at evidence of innocence.  Why would an innocent mother spout such nonsense?

A challenge for you all...where is this evidence of their INNOCENCE?

[Mr Gray]

I didn't see all the posts since the mods intervened.

 Fair enough

[Carana]

Always remember that a now former member lectured some the other day on the difference between evidence and proof?

Get real Dave,  the blood stains, the delay in contacting police, the shoes still at home, the lies, the confessions, the ever changing story, the dozen or more claims by Leonor as to where the girls remains lay...

I could go on and on all day but I don't want to labour the point.  Its simpler to look at evidence of innocence.

Is there any?  A challenge for you all...where is this evidence of INNOCENCE?

And how would a similar situation have worked out for you, depending on which country you were in at the time?

[John]

    I have reports to publish and edit so will catch up later when you have listed all the evidence of their innocence.   

[Mr Gray]

Sorry, I have reports to publish and edit so will catch up later when you have listed all the evidence of their innocence.   

no one has to prove their innocence

[Mr Gray]

Always remember that a now former member lectured some the other day on the difference between evidence and proof?

Get real Dave,  the blood stains, the delay in contacting police, the shoes still at home, the lies, the confessions, the ever changing story, the dozen or more claims by Leonor as to where the girls remains lay...

I could go on and on all day but I don't want to labour the point.  Its simpler to look at evidence of innocence.  Why would an innocent mother spout such nonsense?

A challenge for you all...where is this evidence of their INNOCENCE?

 Yes the blood stains that did not match Joannas DNA

[Matthew Wyse]

Yes the blood stains that did not match Joannas DNA

Evidence  WOOPEE !!!

[Carana]

Always remember that a now former member lectured some the other day on the difference between evidence and proof?

Get real Dave,  the blood stains, the delay in contacting police, the shoes still at home, the lies, the confessions, the ever changing story, the dozen or more claims by Leonor as to where the girls remains lay...

I could go on and on all day but I don't want to labour the point.  Its simpler to look at evidence of innocence.  Why would an innocent mother spout such nonsense?

A challenge for you all...where is this evidence of their INNOCENCE?

This could have been you...

What evidence are you supporting?

[Matthew Wyse]

I must admit I cant think of any evidence which shows Leonor in any light except a bad one     8-)(--)

[John]

The Court didnt give her a very good write up...


9. 1. Facts considered to be proved:

e) the arguida BB [Leonor Cipriano] manifests socially deviant behaviour at the level of norms, values and responsibilities, emotional instability and difficulties in expressing frustration, while her socialisation was marked by immature, superficial and narcissistic interpersonal relationships, where characteristics of manipulation (to satisfy her own needs) and aggressiveness (of mainly sadistic tonality) are stand out, while in her personality the absence of empathy and the insensibility are salient, leading to the arguida’s despise for other people’s rights, needs and sentiments, directing her aggressiveness towards them, with a weak capacity to feel remorse. She possesses a borderline personality with anti-social/psychopathic, narcissistic and schizoid traits;

f) the arguida BB, who has six children from five relationships, has been showing some lack of interest in her elder children, throughout her life;

That last point would be funny if it wasn't so sad!

[Mr Gray]

The Court didnt give her a very good write up...


9. 1. Facts considered to be proved:

e) the arguida BB [Leonor Cipriano] manifests socially deviant behaviour at the level of norms, values and responsibilities, emotional instability and difficulties in expressing frustration, while her socialisation was marked by immature, superficial and narcissistic interpersonal relationships, where characteristics of manipulation (to satisfy her own needs) and aggressiveness (of mainly sadistic tonality) are stand out, while in her personality the absence of empathy and the insensibility are salient, leading to the arguida’s despise for other people’s rights, needs and sentiments, directing her aggressiveness towards them, with a weak capacity to feel remorse. She possesses a borderline personality with anti-social/psychopathic, narcissistic and schizoid traits;

f) the arguida BB, who has six children from five relationships, has been showing some lack of interest in her elder children, throughout her life;

That last point would be funny if it wasn't so sad!

doesn't make her a murderer

[John]

doesn't make her a murderer

Agreed but it still considered part of the bigger picture.

[Eleanor]

The Court didnt give her a very good write up...


9. 1. Facts considered to be proved:

e) the arguida BB [Leonor Cipriano] manifests socially deviant behaviour at the level of norms, values and responsibilities, emotional instability and difficulties in expressing frustration, while her socialisation was marked by immature, superficial and narcissistic interpersonal relationships, where characteristics of manipulation (to satisfy her own needs) and aggressiveness (of mainly sadistic tonality) are stand out, while in her personality the absence of empathy and the insensibility are salient, leading to the arguida’s despise for other people’s rights, needs and sentiments, directing her aggressiveness towards them, with a weak capacity to feel remorse. She possesses a borderline personality with anti-social/psychopathic, narcissistic and schizoid traits;

f) the arguida BB, who has six children from five relationships, has been showing some lack of interest in her elder children, throughout her life;

That last point would be funny if it wasn't so sad!

Who wrote that Report, if you please?

[Anna]

I am still reading into this case and I wonder if someone can kindly point me to the evidence that the child saw her mother and uncle having incestuous activities?, Since the poor child disappeared on that day.