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Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #630 on: November 12, 2013, 04:40:24 PM »
In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004, but that it could not identify those responsible. Leonor Cipriano had yet to receive compensation from the state. Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral and António Fernandes Nuno Cardoso, senior officials in the judicial police, had been sentenced to 18 months’ and 27 months’ imprisonment respectively, for falsely claiming Leonor Cipriano had fallen down the stairs. However, both sentences were suspended on the grounds that the officers had no previous criminal convictions.


Tortured whilst in police custody

Offline Anna

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #631 on: November 12, 2013, 04:41:32 PM »
There is the rub. There's no DVD for this case, so you have to collect copies of the documents at the MP in Portimao.
I don't see how you can progress reasonably in this case another way.
Bypassing this step you're condemned to speculations that, according to what I read on this thread, are curiously all directed towards an abduction of Joana disguised in murder by criminal police officers. I don't think it's fair.

Can anybody obtain copies of these documents, Anne ?
“You should not honour men more than truth.”
― Plato

Offline Montclair

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #632 on: November 12, 2013, 04:42:08 PM »
yes they did...and heres another one by prison officers

•The Court of Appeal in Lisbon ordered a retrial in the case of Albino Libânio, who was assaulted by prison officers in Lisbon Prison in 2003. The Court granted a request by Albino Libânio's lawyers for the Portuguese state to be named as a defendant. The decision was made on the grounds that, as his injuries occurred while he was in the care of the prison system, the state should be held liable even if it was impossible to prove which prison officers were responsible for the attack. The original trial had recognized the injuries suffered by Albino Libânio but acquitted all seven prison officers of assault because of lack of evidence proving their responsibility. A new trial date had not been set at the end of the year.

So, you are stating the MP has initiated an investigation into finding out who tortured Leonor? Where is this information? I would like to see the link.


Offline Angelo222

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #633 on: November 12, 2013, 05:11:28 PM »
All I can follow is the Supreme Court (which presumably has had access to the court documents). I still haven't found anything that could prove that the child even got home that night.

She got home and took her shoes off.
De troothe has the annoying habit of coming to the surface just when you least expect it!!

Je ne regrette rien!!

Offline Carana

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #634 on: November 12, 2013, 05:23:21 PM »
She got home and took her shoes off.

According to the summary in the Supreme Court document, the last person to see her was a lady who lived nearby having a ciggie on her balcony who apparently saw her walking in the direction of her home.

I have already posted the extract.

Offline Admin

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #635 on: November 12, 2013, 07:10:54 PM »
IIRC, the court did not state that it was the PJ who tortured Leonor but they were persons unknown. The strange thing is that the Ministério Público has not to this day initiated any kind of investigation to find out who these "persons unknown" were.

Can we refer you to this article Montclair.


Translation

The Court of Faro today condemned by false allegations to a year in prison with a suspended sentence the former PJ inspector Gonçalo Amaral , in the case relating to the alleged aggressions against Leonor Cipriano by PJ inspectors . However , the accused was acquitted of the crime of omission of denunciation (failure to report a crime).

The inspector António Cardoso was also convicted with suspended sentence, two years and three months in prison. The remaining defendants were acquitted because , despite having been proved that Leonor Cipriano was assaulted on the premises of PJ, we could not identify the perpetrators. According to the chairman of the panel of judges , the case is " particularly serious in people who aim to fight crime."

The court also stated that the testimony in court of the girl's mother was contradictory, which did not help to establish the facts . Similarly it was not possible to prove that she fell from the stairs, as claimed by the defence. The prosecutor or the assistants can now turn, respectively, with the Supreme Court or the Court of Appeal.

The process is related to the so-called " Joana case ", dating back to September 12, 2004 , the day the girl, aged eight, disappeared from the village of Figueira, Portimão, Algarve.

A reading of the judgement was made ​​this afternoon by Chairman of the judges. The charges of the Prosecutor against five inspectors and former inspectors Judicial emerged following the interrogation by the PJ in Faro in 2004 , when Leonor appeared with lesions on her face and body in Prison Beja, where she was on remand.

Three inspectors were accused of the crime of torture, one was accused of the crime of perjury and failure to report and a fifth was accused of the crime of document forgery. The trial began on 27 October 2008.

Joana's mother, Leonor Cipriano, and uncle, John Cipriano were sentenced by the Supreme Court to 16 years in prison each, for the crimes of murder and concealment of a body of the child. Four days ago, the lawyer for Leonor Cipriano, Aragão Correia, requested the opening of a new investigation in the "Joana case " and the acquittal of the girl's mother, after John Cipriano confessed in writing that he tried to sell her.


http://www.publico.pt/sociedade/noticia/caso-joana-goncalo-amaral-condenado-a-ano-e-meio-de-prisao-com-pena-suspensa-1382307
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AnneGuedes

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #636 on: November 12, 2013, 07:29:34 PM »
8)-))) This is pure invention. That first day the police allowed the child's mother to have her husband in the room with her when being interviewed. This suggests the exact opposite of what you allege.
This is very revealing of the Portuguese mentality. Tell this to any police in Europe and they will laugh.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #637 on: November 12, 2013, 07:31:40 PM »
Can anybody obtain copies of these documents, Anne ?
Yes of course.

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #638 on: November 12, 2013, 07:33:59 PM »
despite having been proved that Leonor Cipriano was assaulted on the premises of PJ, we could not identify the perpetrators.

Why ? I guess nobody will suspect the perpetrators were police officers under special protection.
Who had anything to gain with this assault ?

Offline Carana

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #639 on: November 12, 2013, 07:47:22 PM »
despite having been proved that Leonor Cipriano was assaulted on the premises of PJ, we could not identify the perpetrators.

Why ? I guess nobody will suspect the perpetrators were police officers under special protection.
Who had anything to gain with this assault ?

Pressure to locate a potential corpse?

stephen25000

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #640 on: November 12, 2013, 07:48:12 PM »
In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004, but that it could not identify those responsible. Leonor Cipriano had yet to receive compensation from the state. Gonçalo de Sousa Amaral and António Fernandes Nuno Cardoso, senior officials in the judicial police, had been sentenced to 18 months’ and 27 months’ imprisonment respectively, for falsely claiming Leonor Cipriano had fallen down the stairs. However, both sentences were suspended on the grounds that the officers had no previous criminal convictions.


Tortured whilst in police custody


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Here's a reply to you davel.
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"In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004"

'Yes March 2012!

But now superseded in March 2013, by the fact that her testimony has been proved to be a complete falsehood.

So why do they not feel the need to come to the aid of officers prosecuted on a lie!

As to the conviction for perjury they know it can't be overturned due to the fact it was based on their statements not being forensically tested. They can not go back in time to do that, therefore despite the unfairness of it, the conviction will always stand. Unless sometime on the future, the Portuguese judiciary changes the way it views evidence. '

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #641 on: November 12, 2013, 07:59:49 PM »

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Here's a reply to you davel.
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"In March, the Court of Appeal of Evora confirmed an earlier ruling that Leonor Cipriano had been tortured while in police custody in 2004"

'Yes March 2012!

But now superseded in March 2013, by the fact that her testimony has been proved to be a complete falsehood.

So why do they not feel the need to come to the aid of officers prosecuted on a lie!

As to the conviction for perjury they know it can't be overturned due to the fact it was based on their statements not being forensically tested. They can not go back in time to do that, therefore despite the unfairness of it, the conviction will always stand. Unless sometime on the future, the Portuguese judiciary changes the way it views evidence. '

Do you really believe that because if you do you are showing a complete ignorance of the real facts

AnneGuedes

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #642 on: November 12, 2013, 08:08:19 PM »
Pressure to locate a potential corpse?
Do you really think that a police officer would assault a murderer in order to find where she buried the murdered one ? Haven't you read Barra da Costa's opinion in a link you sent saying a part hadn't been translated ?

stephen25000

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Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #643 on: November 12, 2013, 08:10:26 PM »
You need to answer my question first...but judging by your past performance s you can't answer questions

If CIPRIANO is a liar,, and that's what she is convicted of, her testimony can't be trusted.

So , do you believe a convicted LIAR ?

As to not answering questions davel, you should not be preaching on that one.

Offline Mr Gray

Re: The Leonor Cipriano case reviewed... AGAIN!
« Reply #644 on: November 12, 2013, 08:11:10 PM »
Do you really think that a police officer would assault a murderer in order to find where she buried the murdered one ? Haven't you read Barra da Costa's opinion in a link you sent saying a part hadn't been translated ?

There are that many references to suspects being beaten it seems it is common place in Portugal