Child abduction in Portugal and beyond - is it really so prevalent?

[Anna]

*sigh*


John, since you started the thread, could you possibly supply the info requested on page 2 so we know whether we're discussing something statistically significant?

I did have a look myself yesterday. I found the population size of England and Wales, the number of attempted and successful abductions (I should have looked for disappearances) and the population size of Portugal, but I couldn't find any statistics for crime. It's probably on the net, just not in English.

This might help, but 2010 so out of date

http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/portugal-pedophilia-elite-business-as.html

[Carana]

It is not clear at all, will this rumour bring many guests to your site ?

Interesting that you mention the subject of rumours.

Did I miss your reply to my question on this thread?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3526.msg134044#msg134044
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3526.msg134708#msg134708

[Redblossom]

Does this between lines mean; Ok..yes.. they are there but down n PT they are as good as angels.. like an owner of a dog would tell.. 

We really need a "rolly eyes" emoticon on this board!

[Cariad]

The missing person (all ages mixed up) are listed on the PJ site.
86 persons, most of them seniores. Among whom the minor (when missing)
Madeleine MCCann (2007)
A girl with 3 possible identities and who was 6 when she disappeared (2005)
A girl who was 2 when she disappeared (2004)
A boy who was 13 when he disappeared (1999)
A boy who was 16 when he disappeared (1998)
A boy who was 11 when he disappeared (1998)
A girl who was 6 when she disappeared (1994)
A boy who was 14 when he disappeared (1991)
A boy who was 16 when he disappeared (1990)

A Spanish boy (no age) (disappeared from Gran Canaria in 2007) and a German boy (no age) (disappeared in 2007 from ?) are listed (sightings)

https://www.policiajudiciaria.pt/PortalWeb/page/%7BAA001182-B622-459A-BF72-FD6EDD83C76F%7D/?portletLabel=T2608720801203616720906&actionSubmitted=navegacaoPessoasDesaparecidas&portletParameter=pessoasDesaparecidas&portletNav=1

Thank you Anne. So is that 86 missing persons in the whole of Portugal?


If so:

HUh, I wasn't expecting that....

In Britain 0.5 % of the population is missing, in Portugal 7.9% of the population is missing.

I think someone needs to check my figures.....


http://www.indexmundi.com/portugal/demographics_profile.html

Portuguese population = 10,799,270

Plus Anne's figure of 86 missing people

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/population-estimates-for-uk--england-and-wales--scotland-and-northern-ireland/mid-2001-to-mid-2010-revised/index.html

population of the UK was estimated to be 62.8 million in mid-2010,

http://missingpersons.police.uk/en/pressroom/information-on-the-number-of-people-who-go-missing

313,000 missing persons incidents were recorded by police in Britain in 2011/12,


Ah, I see where I might have gone wrong.... 313,000 people were reported missing in one year, not there are 313,000 missing people in the UK...


Anne, is that figure of 86 for one year, or is it the number of currently missing people?

[AnneGuedes]

Interesting that you mention the subject of rumours.

Did I miss your reply to my question on this thread?

http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3526.msg134044#msg134044
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=3526.msg134708#msg134708

Please be more explicit.

[Montclair]

I don't know what you know but you cannot say 'we' because what I know is that it is in the files..

If it is in the files then please provide the reference. AFAIK, there is nothing in the police files about these so called abduction or abuse attempts on British children in the Algarve. As I live in one of the areas mentioned, I am sure that everyone and his brother would know about these break-ins, especially in the tourism business. Everyone talks in the Algarve and nothing escapes housekeepers or cleaning ladies attention and they talk.

[AnneGuedes]

Thank you Anne. So is that 86 missing persons in the whole of Portugal?


If so:

HUh, I wasn't expecting that....

In Britain 0.5 % of the population is missing, in Portugal 7.9% of the population is missing.

I think someone needs to check my figures.....


http://www.indexmundi.com/portugal/demographics_profile.html

Portuguese population = 10,799,270

Plus Anne's figure of 86 missing people

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/population-estimates-for-uk--england-and-wales--scotland-and-northern-ireland/mid-2001-to-mid-2010-revised/index.html

population of the UK was estimated to be 62.8 million in mid-2010,

http://missingpersons.police.uk/en/pressroom/information-on-the-number-of-people-who-go-missing

313,000 missing persons incidents were recorded by police in Britain in 2011/12,


Ah, I see where I might have gone wrong.... 313,000 people were reported missing in one year, not there are 313,000 missing people in the UK...


Anne, is that figure of 86 for one year, or is it the number of currently missing people?

It might be 85 (I counted the German boy, it was just a sighting) people missing since missing people are listed.
Take into account the minor ones only : 9 minor disappeared in 24 years, one of whom is British and the girl with 3 identities is (I think) African.
None of them was proved abducted and none of them but one disappeared from bed.

[Montclair]

Thank you Anne. So is that 86 missing persons in the whole of Portugal?


If so:

HUh, I wasn't expecting that....

In Britain 0.5 % of the population is missing, in Portugal 7.9% of the population is missing.

I think someone needs to check my figures.....


http://www.indexmundi.com/portugal/demographics_profile.html

Portuguese population = 10,799,270

Plus Anne's figure of 86 missing people

http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/pop-estimate/population-estimates-for-uk--england-and-wales--scotland-and-northern-ireland/mid-2001-to-mid-2010-revised/index.html

population of the UK was estimated to be 62.8 million in mid-2010,

http://missingpersons.police.uk/en/pressroom/information-on-the-number-of-people-who-go-missing

313,000 missing persons incidents were recorded by police in Britain in 2011/12,


Ah, I see where I might have gone wrong.... 313,000 people were reported missing in one year, not there are 313,000 missing people in the UK...


Anne, is that figure of 86 for one year, or is it the number of currently missing people?

I think that you better brush up on your maths. 7.9% of 10,799,270 comes to 853,142. I don't believe that there are that many people missing in Portugal. The number of missing people actually represents 0.0000077% of the population.

[slartibartfast]

This might help, but 2010 so out of date

http://snippits-and-slappits.blogspot.co.uk/2010/09/portugal-pedophilia-elite-business-as.html

...and the article praises David Icke fairly early on... 8-)(--)

[Redblossom]

...and the article praises David Icke fairly early on... 8-)(--)

Jezus H Christ, there should be a law against posting links like that!

[Estuarine]

"xxxxxxx is a paedophiles' paradise," said Mr xxxxx, now a lawyer campaigning on behalf of the xxxxx victims. "If all the names come out, this will be an earthquake in xxxxx. There is a massive, sophisticated network at play here ~ stretching from the government to the judiciary and the police.

A "snippit" from Anna's link with the word "Portugal" removed. Now where else does it remind you of?

[Mr Gray]

"xxxxxxx is a paedophiles' paradise," said Mr xxxxx, now a lawyer campaigning on behalf of the xxxxx victims. "If all the names come out, this will be an earthquake in xxxxx. There is a massive, sophisticated network at play here ~ stretching from the government to the judiciary and the police.

A "snippit" from Anna's link with the word "Portugal" removed. Now where else does it remind you of?

You have heard of Casa Pia

[Estuarine]

You have heard of Casa Pia

Of course! It's the house where Pakistan International Airlines have their offices isn't it?

[Cariad]

I think that you better brush up on your maths. 7.9% of 10,799,270 comes to 853,142. I don't believe that there are that many people missing in Portugal. The number of missing people actually represents 0.0000077% of the population.

I knew it was wrong, but couldn't for the life of me see where I'd gone wrong!

Thank you for that, the amount of people missing in Portugal per capita is a fraction of those missing in the uk?

I don't suppose someone could get the figures for people reported missing in 2011/2012 in Portugal, so we can compare it against the figures for UK. Taking in to account population of course.


I won't do the maths this time though 

[VIXTE]

If it is in the files then please provide the reference. AFAIK, there is nothing in the police files about these so called abduction or abuse attempts on British children in the Algarve. As I live in one of the areas mentioned, I am sure that everyone and his brother would know about these break-ins, especially in the tourism business. Everyone talks in the Algarve and nothing escapes housekeepers or cleaning ladies attention and they talk.

I posted the guardian article which mentioned the files being 'edited' for peado details and other sensitive info and child attacks are sensitive info.. so what we are seeing publicly this is not all..

Kate in her book is saying that she's got the info about 8 cases from the files and she also mentioned the British consul mentioning these to her..

It is too many sources I am afraid.. not everyone is lying!