Time line theory -question about origin.

[jassi]

Alice, there are (or at least were) several documents on that site that aren't actually part of the files - but which aren't necessarily marked as post-release compilations or "analysis" by the various armchair detectives. 

There's the timeline one, the deleted calls or SMSs, this re forensic items for return http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#p13p3465-3466jl , plus a few more that I can't remember offhand.

At the time, I suppose these "extra" bits were uploaded to Pamalam's site as they were deemed to be useful. I've never cross-checked them all, but I expect that most of it is accurate, but I wouldn't rely on them.

As none of us are actually doing anything useful on here, that shouldn't be to much of a problem.

[Carana]

Looking to the end of that document "By Paulo Reis and associates

(*) This report is a result of cooperation with a leading international investigative firm that is in the closing stages of an 18 month intensive investigation that is expected to reopen the case in Portugal and to start new proceedings in the UK." 

What was that about?

As it would take ages to find traces of that now, I guess it should be filed as "IMO" and I can't find Paulo's original blog any longer.


A group of 3A armchair detectives, at least one of whom boasted of being a real one, somehow got Paulo to post their "work" on his blog along with a paragraph or so from him (relatively easy to detect as the difference in English was quite obvious).

Another one (also by "Reis & co") was that the same group was convinced that the crèche signatures were all fake and the so-called head "detective" was sending (or had sent) the sheets to Qantico or somewhere for "forensic analysis". One version was that it was for a handwriting analysis.

The funniest version (wherever I first noticed it on the web which may not have been on his blog and therefore may have been a spoof exaggeration of their initial initiative) was supposedly for forensic ink analysis. Unless they were intending to steal the original crèche sheets (and I'm not sure what that would have proved other than someone used a different pen from one day to the next) ... what exactly were the FBI or other agency supposed to analyse? Photocopying or fax ink?

Proving that the sheets were forged was supposed to blow the whole case apart and expose the massive "cover-up".

Despite several posts over time that results were "imminent", the group eventually faded away into obscurity.

[Carana]

I have been Google searching Kazlux and it appears he was part of a team Not directly associate with the 3As.

http://gerrymccan-abuseofpower-humanrights.blogspot.co.nz/2009/05/bloggers-meet-with-mr-and-mrs-amaral.html
Bloggers meet with Sofia Leal and Gonçalo Amaral

By Kazlux

The 4 of us, bloggers, were shown in a room and when the Amaral couple came in, mrs. Amaral immediately asked who it was that set up the poll on the 3Arguidos?

When somebody in the company said not to know 3A she showed surprise and said that it was an important forum, she reads it often only has no time to post.
(later I asked her permission to quote her on this, and also on posting her picture, and she said of course, you can quote anything you like).

The questions/anwers (not verbatim but from my notes):

Q: Have you considered the possibility that Madeleine died on the previous night or even when mrs. Fenn heard the crying?
A: Naturally - the investigation begins with establishing if the person who disappeared, does actually exist and then, who was the last person to see her - the investigation shows clearly that she was last seen around 17.30.

Q: Have you any doubt as to the validity of Madeleine attending the creche on 3/5?
A: No doubt whatsoever.

Q. Do you think the case will definitely be opened soon?
A: We would like it to be reopened, in fact I wrote my book to prevent the shelving of the case, but it did not work out that way, the book actually came out one week after the case was shelved. The counterforces were very strong.
In the political climate of today, there is a movement leaning towards the reopening of the case.

Q: What is the most efficient way for us to help you?
A: To let it be known there is a certain pressure, from the pubic opinion.
Q: So it is useful, then, to write to the Prosecutor?
A: Yes, and also to the Justice Minister and Members of Parliament.

Q: Did the content of the 14 text messages have any relevance to the case?
A: No. But what IS relevant is that they deleted calls from their mobile phones.

Q: If the McCanns had been honest about Madeleine having died in an accidental manner, what would have been the juridical consequences in Portugal?
A: Almost none. A mild punishment for neglect. That is provided the body did not show signs of violence. In England, as in Germany, punishment for neglect of children is more severe.

Q: Do you think the McCanns knew that?
A: They have made a decision very fast. It is well possible they did not know about the law in Portugal, but not that they did not know the law in England.

Q: Are you hoping the McCanns will sue you?
A: Yes! (here he gave a Portugese metaphor about a bullfight, something about having to first entice the bull into the middle of the ring before the fight can start).

Q: Is it true, as was reported in De Telegraaf, that an injection needle was found in the apartment?
A: No, that is not true. In fact we have found no medication at all. None at all. Except for 'likdoornpleisters' = litt.: corn plasters (for your feet - sorry can't find a better translation).

Q: Do you think the children were sedated?
A: There is no doubt.
(Here he told an anecdote: that Kate called in august with (a colleague of mr. Amaral in the) PJ to ask them to check the twins for traces of sedation. Apparently Kate was alone when she called, and a bit upset. That same afternoon, Gerry called and cancelled the request.)

Q: What do you think is the meaning of the blood behind the sofa?
A: Possibly from an attempt at reanimation.

Q: At what time do you think the death has occured, given the fact that cadaver odor needs time to develop?
A: Cadaver odor begins to develop at the moment of death, due to chemical reactions in the body, it is not a matter of hours before it develops, to the nose of a dog which is very sensitive it can be detected very soon. More important is that from the inquiry we know that before the third of may nobody died in the apartment, nor in the car.

Q: There was a story in a newspaper that the dogs followed a trace to the beach, is that true?
A: No. Mark Harrison had made a schedule, a plan, for the dogs, where they should search. They have searched all the apartments, the villa, the cars, the church, the sewer pipes near the church, the beach, fields, but the only traces the dogs found were in the apartments and the car of the McCanns, some clothes, and the soft toy.

Q: Do you think the body was refrigerated?
A: Yes. The bodily fluid in the car show that. If the body had been buried there would have been mummification. The fact that there were fluids points to refrigeration.

Q: Where do you think the body was kept?
A: That is what we were trying to understand when I left the investigation. 15 alleles might not have been conclusive in the eyes of the Public Prosecutor, but for the investigation it was sufficient. The body must have been in the boot of the car. We want to know who drove the car, who was behind the wheel.


On the picture you see mrs. Amaral with the 3A question list and the Rosiepops book info in her hand.
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There's a lot of love pouring out to you three from around the world right now.

Thanks Joana, Astro, and Kazlux!


https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/maddie-case-files.html

[Robittybob1]

There's a lot of love pouring out to you three from around the world right now.

Thanks Joana, Astro, and Kazlux!


https://joana-morais.blogspot.co.uk/2009/08/maddie-case-files.html

Were they the three amigas?

[Carana]

Were they the three amigas?

Not sure what you mean.

[Robittybob1]

Not sure what you mean.

In that link there were two statements :"The Three Amigas! What a great team. It feels like I've come home!"
and "What a terrible amount of work, 3 Amigas."  There was tlk of of a forum often referred to as 3A, the three Amigas, I presumed.
or was it "the 3 Arguidos"? 
In your post on page 2 you said "However, from memory, it was one or more people who went through the files for timeline info and made a compilation back in the days of 3A." 

What does the A stand for?

[Carana]

In that link there were two statements :"The Three Amigas! What a great team. It feels like I've come home!"
and "What a terrible amount of work, 3 Amigas."  There was tlk of of a forum often referred to as 3A, the three Amigas, I presumed.
or was it "the 3 Arguidos"? 
In your post on page 2 you said "However, from memory, it was one or more people who went through the files for timeline info and made a compilation back in the days of 3A." 

What does the A stand for?

3A = 3 Arguidos (Murat + McCanns).

[Brietta]

3A = 3 Arguidos (Murat + McCanns).

Actually there were four arguidos in that equation ... but that was and remains sub rosa for many.

[Carana]

Actually there were four arguidos in that equation ... but that was and remains sub rosa for many.

I don't recall a 4th arguido from that time. Various people who may have been considered as suspects, but not with arguido status. There were only 3 whose status was lifted in the archiving report.

[Mr Gray]

I don't recall a 4th arguido from that time. Various people who may have been considered as suspects, but not with arguido status. There were only 3 whose status was lifted in the archiving report.

Amaral

[jassi]

I don't recall a 4th arguido from that time. Various people who may have been considered as suspects, but not with arguido status. There were only 3 whose status was lifted in the archiving report.

Certainly only 3 suspected of being involved in Madeleine's disappearance.

[Carana]

Amaral

Ah. Yes. The first arguido associated with the case, in fact, but not directly related to Madeleine's disappearance.

[Eleanor]

Ah. Yes. The first arguido associated with the case, in fact, but not directly related to Madeleine's disappearance.

But a Convicted Arguido never the less.

[Alice Purjorick]

Alice, there are (or at least were) several documents on that site that aren't actually part of the files - but which aren't necessarily marked as post-release compilations or "analysis" by the various armchair detectives. 

There's the timeline one, the deleted calls or SMSs, this re forensic items for return http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JOHN_LOWE.htm#p13p3465-3466jl , * plus a few more that I can't remember offhand.

At the time, I suppose these "extra" bits were uploaded to Pamalam's site as they were deemed to be useful. I've never cross-checked them all, but I expect that most of it is accurate, but I wouldn't rely on them.

* For clarification: Return of samples. Cross-reference to Lowe(final) and Palmer reports

Being a trusting soul the only thing I would rely on would be the documents held by the MP to which the public have access on request, after the filing process.

You must admit the prospect of two sides arguing for ten years over documents that turn out to have been bootlegged to suit a few agenda's is a real gasser. I wonder if the MP could see which way it was going and took the unusual step of issuing the CD for purely mischievous purposes?
Well it is plausible.

[Alice Purjorick]

Actually there were four arguidos in that equation ... but that was and remains sub rosa for many.

Is that posh for "under Ena Harkness"?
Or a subtle "it is cast into a bridge buttress on the A505 near Hitchin Herts"? [scratchin' meks it worse]
Ready steady GOOGLE...