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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #210 on: April 15, 2021, 01:25:53 PM »
It was noted yesterday that Judge Cahill disallowed a question from prosecution attorney Jerry Blackwell who asked forensic pathologist Dr David Fowler if he considered evidence from those who had given evidence for free more reliable than that of paid witnesses. Seems the bitchiness has begun!
Interesting.  Did the Defence have to pay its expert witnesses for their testimony then?
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Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #211 on: April 15, 2021, 01:38:54 PM »
Interesting.  Did the Defence have to pay its expert witnesses for their testimony then?

That would be the norm.
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
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Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #212 on: April 15, 2021, 03:49:17 PM »
A Summary of the trial - Week 3 Day 4 pre testimony discussion

Mr Chauvin not to testify

Judge Cahill today formally advised the defendant that he has the 5th Amendment right not to testify.  The defendant told the court that he does not wish to testify. Judge Cahill asked the defendant if this was his free choice and that he was under no external pressure to make such a decision. The defendant stated that the decision was his and his alone.


Withheld test results

Much discussion yesterday centred on the possibility that George Floyd might have been subject to carbon monoxide poisoning. The court was told that there were no tests done to establish if this had in fact occurred.

It appears that overnight, the pathologist Dr Baker contacted the States Attorney Office and revealed that such tests were undertaken on Mr Floyd on the night of 25 May 2020 but for one reason or another have never been provided to the defence.

Defence attorney Eric Nelson stated that he only received this information at 7.53am today. That the state retains the blood samples and have had ample opportunity to provide the test results. That it is incredibly prejudicial to the defence since Dr Fowler has now left the state. Nelson states that Dr Tobin may have seen these test results done at the autopsy, there is no indication if these are new test results or other test results. Nevertheless, it is the defence possible that these test results should not go before the jury and if they were that he would be moving for a mistrial.

State seeking to call rebuttal witnesses

Jerry Blackwell  for the prosecution stated that they would not be having these discussions had Dr Fowler not raised new opinion. One issue being the evidence in respect of Floyd's enlarged heart. States that Dr Fowler did not enter the reference to an enlarged heart in his report and only did so while on the stand. Blackwell wants to call a pulmonologists to rebut such evidence.

Blackwell again states that Dr Fowler testified in relation to hypoxia but did not offer such in his report.

In relation to the carbon monoxide tests, Blackwell states that the prosecution again wishes to recall a witness to speak to these tests.

Judge Cahill rules that Dr Fowler came right out in his report and stated that the state should have tested Floyd's blood for carbon monoxide. That Dr Baker called the States Attorney's Office and said that the results are there or should be there. Judge adds that he is not claiming any bad faith on the States part but that it is very odd that the state medical centre failed to turnnovervtest results which may have be buried a little deeper. That their standard operating procedures should be checked and ensure that this not happen again. That defence is correct that it is untimely for this to happen, that the defence witness has now left the state. Rules that Dr Tobin will not be permitted to re-testify about the lab results. Should he do so it will be a mistrial pure and simple. Judge adds that this late disclosure is not the way we should be operating here. Rules that Dr Tobin can again testify about carbon monoxide generally and if the squad car was running or not, or of the potential effects of Floyd lying on the ground near the car exhaust. But cannot testify about the newly revealed test results.

Judge is concerned that state wants a pulmonologist to testify in respect of the size of Floyd's heart, but will allow it based on previous studies. Will not allow Dr Tobin to talk about hypoxic seisure, scientific research supporting narrowing will be allowed, lab tests are not allowed, but can talk about carbon monoxide in the likelihood of a high and breathing based on environmental factors and he may opine as to whether George Floyd's heart was enlarged or not.

Prosecutor Jerry Blackwell points out that both sides have the test results from May 2020 relating to the oxygen levels in Mr Floyd's blood. States that a high CO level would create a low oxygen level is inversely related.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 04:34:26 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #213 on: April 15, 2021, 04:53:58 PM »
A Summary of the trial - Week 3 Day 4

Defence attorney Eric Nelson states that the defence rests. (Given Derek Chauvin has chosen not to testify).

Prosecution to recall rebuttal witness.

Witness Dr Martin Tobin recalled to the stand. Irish American Dr Martin Tobin from Freshford in Ireland is a physician in pulmonary and critical care medicine at the Hines VA Hospital and Loyola University Medical School in Chicago.

Prosecutor Jerry Blackwell rebuttal.

Asks witness about the issue of Floyds potential exposure to carbon monoxide. Asked if he viewed Dr Fowler's evidence yesterday, witness affirms that he was. Shown a slide which states that, "In 7 minutes Mr Floyd's carboxyhemoglobin could have increased by 10 - 18%". States he does not agree.

Witness explains that the carboxyhemoglobin is formed when the carbon monoxide combines with the protein in a blood. It is important because when the CO combines with the proteins in the blood it displaces the oxygen. To breathe properly you need the oxygen in the haemoglobin and not the carbon monoxide.

Witness states again that a carboxyhemoglobin level of 10 - 18% is not reliable because I base it on the arterial blood gas (ABG) level when Floyd was in the emergency room at Hennepin County Hospital.  Sidebar called by defence.

Judge Cahill sustains objection by defence.

Blackwell asks witness to explain oxygen saturation testing in the blood. (NB: Blackwell is on dangerous ground here as a mistrial could be called if witness strays into out-of-limits area).

Witness explains that the ABG test was done on Floyd at the hospital. This combined with the oxygen level test found that the blood was 98% saturated. This means that the CO level could only have been 2% which is within the normal range.

Asked about pressure on Floyd's back and the narrowing of the hypopharynx. Asked if he had found research on this. Responds that studies show that if you lower the size of the lungs you decrease the size of the hypopharynx...all the studies show that. Asked if there are studies that pressure on the neck narrows the hypopharynx, witness responds no. Adds that when they do readerch, they try and do research on studies that might be puzzling, that you would kind of be expecting a bit of a surprise.

Prosecution questions end.  Court time out. Issues in court, Judge calls recess.

Defence attorney Eric Nelson.

Asks witness where the research relating to the narrowing of the hypopharynx is found. Witness responds that it is found in psysiological journals or a blend of psysiological and clinical.

Questioning ends.

Jerry Blackwell states that the State of Minnesota rests.

Judge Cahill tells jury that evidence is now complete and that the next step will be to listen to closing arguments on Monday.

Session ends early.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2021, 05:51:54 PM by John »
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #214 on: April 15, 2021, 07:33:24 PM »
That would be the norm.
I did not know that!
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly


Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #216 on: April 18, 2021, 04:56:59 PM »

Democrat Maxine Waters On If Derek Chauvin Is Acquitted: ‘Get More Confrontational’ On ‘The Street’

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) said on Saturday night that if Derek Chauvin is not found guilty of murder for the death of George Floyd that activists must “get more confrontational” on “the street” because the activists need to “make sure that they know we mean business.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-maxine-waters-on-if-derek-chauvin-is-acquitted-get-more-confrontational-on-the-street
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Offline John

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #217 on: April 18, 2021, 05:00:21 PM »
Democrat Maxine Waters On If Derek Chauvin Is Acquitted: ‘Get More Confrontational’ On ‘The Street’

Rep. Maxine Waters (D-CA) said on Saturday night that if Derek Chauvin is not found guilty of murder for the death of George Floyd that activists must “get more confrontational” on “the street” because the activists need to “make sure that they know we mean business.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news/democrat-maxine-waters-on-if-derek-chauvin-is-acquitted-get-more-confrontational-on-the-street

Could that be seen as an attempt to pervert the course of justice by influencing the jury?
A malicious prosecution for a crime which never existed. An exposé of egregious malfeasance by public officials.
Indeed, the truth never changes with the passage of time.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #218 on: April 18, 2021, 05:04:19 PM »

Maxine Waters tells Minnesota BLM protesters 'to get more confrontational' one day after violent anti-police clashes erupted across US

'I am not happy that we have talked about police reform for so long,' Waters said. 'We're looking for a guilty verdict,' she added in regards to the Derek Chauvin trial. 'If we don't, we cannot go away.'

'We gotta stay on the street,' Waters was recorded saying, adding that protesters needed 'to get more confrontational' and they should ignore the curfew in place.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9483471/Fury-Maxine-Waters-tells-Minnesota-BLM-protesters-weve-got-confrontational.html
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #219 on: April 18, 2021, 05:07:55 PM »
Could that be seen as an attempt to pervert the course of justice by influencing the jury?

I wonder if Mr Nelson knows about this.

I wouldn't be surprised if any number of Chauvin supporters would be forwarding her comments to him.

Didn't Mr Nelson already appeal for a mis-trial following the award of damages to the Floyd family?
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Online Eleanor

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #220 on: April 18, 2021, 05:08:58 PM »
Could that be seen as an attempt to pervert the course of justice by influencing the jury?

It is certainly Incitement to Violence.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #221 on: April 18, 2021, 05:15:30 PM »
I wonder if Mr Nelson knows about this.

I wouldn't be surprised if any number of Chauvin supporters would be forwarding her comments to him.

Didn't Mr Nelson already appeal for a mis-trial following the award of damages to the Floyd family?
If you know about it I suspect that there’s a high probability Nelson knows about it too.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #222 on: April 18, 2021, 05:16:44 PM »
If you know about it I suspect that there’s a high probability Nelson knows about it too.

Well I'm still going to e-mail him just to make sure.
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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #223 on: April 18, 2021, 05:32:14 PM »

It really would be somewhat amusing to me if activists constant demands for justice were the very thing that prevented Chauvin's conviction.
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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: The Trial Of Derek Chauvin, Death Of George Floyd
« Reply #224 on: April 18, 2021, 05:34:02 PM »
It really would be somewhat amusing to me if activists constant demands for justice were the very thing that prevented Chauvin's conviction.
Maybe that’s exactly what they want, to reinforce their sense of injustice, deepen their sense of grievance and give them an excuse to go on an almighty rampage?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly