Manhunt by Colin Sutton. Are there comparisons with Madeleine?

[faithlilly]

Not sure if this has been posted before but a very interesting talk by Colin Sutton on Operation Grange.

https://youtu.be/gtLoPzPr7Eg

[G-Unit]

Not sure if this has been posted before but a very interesting talk by Colin Sutton on Operation Grange.

https://youtu.be/gtLoPzPr7Eg

I notice he picked up on Simon Foy's bizarre statement that 'they were where they were where they were when the child went missing'.

He also questions Rowley's assertion that the question of parental involvement was dealt with at the time by the Portuguese.

He seems to find these assertions as incomprehensible as many of us do, but he has the advantage of knowing how investigations normally proceed. In my opinion those who find nothing strange about the Met's pronouncenents are far too trusting.

[Mr Gray]

I notice he picked up on Simon Foy's bizarre statement that 'they were where they were where they were when the child went missing'.

He also questions Rowley's assertion that the question of parental involvement was dealt with at the time by the Portuguese.

He seems to find these assertions as incomprehensible as many of us do, but he has the advantage of knowing how investigations normally proceed. In my opinion those who find nothing strange about the Met's pronouncenents are far too trusting.

Both Foy and Rowley know a lot more about the case, than Sutton.... So I prefer to take notice of what they say... IMO... Sutton wants his 15 mins of fame..

Has, Sutton commented on P D Carmos comments Re not suspects and no evidence. It isn't just what the police say that lead me to believe the mccanns are not involved... It's the whole picture..  .

Is Suttin making money out of talks on criminal cases... It looks like it... That explains to me why he's making somewhat controversial statements

[barrier]

Both Foy and Rowley know a lot more about the case, than Sutton.... So I prefer to take notice of what they say... IMO... Sutton wants his 15 mins of fame..

Has, Sutton commented on P D Carmos comments Re not suspects and no evidence. It isn't just what the police say that lead me to believe the mccanns are not involved... It's the whole picture..  .

Is Suttin making money out of talks on criminal cases... It looks like it... That explains to me why he's making somewhat controversial statements

Sutton has a track record in bringing Bellfield to book, whats Foy and Rowley done?

Any comment on Do Carmo  when asked do you accept the girl was abducted replying we don't know what happened and have to be prepared for different scenarios. Its the whole picture after all.

[Mr Gray]

Sutton has a track record in bringing Bellfield to book, whats Foy and Rowley done?

Any comment on Do Carmo  when asked do you accept the girl was abducted replying we don't know what happened and have to be prepared for different scenarios. Its the whole picture after all.

My opinion is that you and others refuse to face facts and are in denial... Three leading policemen involved in the investigation... With access to facts unavailable  to Sutton

[barrier]

Do Carmo who doesn't accept the girl was abducted,Redwood who says the girl may not have left 5a alive.Yep lots of denial in some parts.

[G-Unit]

Both Foy and Rowley know a lot more about the case, than Sutton.... So I prefer to take notice of what they say... IMO... Sutton wants his 15 mins of fame..

Has, Sutton commented on P D Carmos comments Re not suspects and no evidence. It isn't just what the police say that lead me to believe the mccanns are not involved... It's the whole picture..  .

Is Suttin making money out of talks on criminal cases... It looks like it... That explains to me why he's making somewhat controversial statements

I don't think Foy and Rowley are experts on the case at all. If they were they should have been able to explain how the McCanns were ruled out. They couldn't.

[Mr Gray]

I don't think Foy and Rowley are experts on the case at all. If they were they should have been able to explain how the McCanns were ruled out. They couldn't.

They couldn't... In your opinion... You seem to be assuming your opinion is fact... I think they could... But chose not to... It would not serve any purpose..

So who do you think is an expert on the case... Amaral

[G-Unit]

They couldn't... In your opinion... You seem to be assuming your opinion is fact... I think they could... But chose not to... It would not serve any purpose..

So who do you think is an expert on the case... Amaral

So you think they deliberately chose not to offer a sensible explaination?

[jassi]

I don't think Foy and Rowley are experts on the case at all. If they were they should have been able to explain how the McCanns were ruled out. They couldn't.

Given Rowley's rank at the time, he would have been entirely dependent on briefings from officers several ranks below his own. I see him merely as the front-man for OG

[Mr Gray]

So you think they deliberately chose not to offer a sensible explaination?

Why should they offer any explanation... Why should they want to satisfy a small group on the net ....did Bush ever deny he was behind 911......did Blair deny being complicit in the UK terror attacks

[Eleanor]

I despair.  OG were never going to say anything definitive.  That is a fact of any Police Investigation.

[G-Unit]

Why should they offer any explanation... Why should they want to satisfy a small group on the net ....did Bush ever deny he was behind 911......did Blair deny being complicit in the UK terror attacks

Rowley referred to the case as unique. One of it's unique features is the suspicion surrounding tha parents. A firm and believable explanation of how OG 'know' they weren't involved would have helped the McCanns. Instead he told a lie about the first investigation which didn't help either the McCanns or the Met. The McCanns have never been eliminated by any police force imo.

[Venturi Swirl]

Rowley referred to the case as unique. One of it's unique features is the suspicion surrounding tha parents. A firm and believable explanation of how OG 'know' they weren't involved would have helped the McCanns. Instead he told a lie about the first investigation which didn't help either the McCanns or the Met. The McCanns have never been eliminated by any police force imo.

What lie did he tell?  Are you saying The Met has not eliminated the McCanns?  What do you base this on?

[G-Unit]

What lie did he tell?  Are you saying The Met has not eliminated the McCanns?  What do you base this on?

He said that the first Portuguese investigation had 'dealt with' the question of parental involvement so there was no need for OG to revisit that. The first investigation was unable to rule out parental involvement so there was every reason to revisit that question.