Mark Redwine v 16 cadaver dogs

[Holly Goodhead]

as I have said before...the pj did not understand the nature of the alerts. I think most others did...that the alerts can be as  a result of cross contamination. The suggestion in the mathews case is nothing new to those who understand the alerts  I stand by my view that a false alert can always be explaiined way by unknown contamination...thats why its impossible to prove a false alert...except in the case of the coconut of course. ...but it could always be claimed the coconut had been in contact with a cadaver

Oh Davel if the above is so please explain the following:

"...we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before".

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

What research, extensive or otherwise, was carried out to eliminate the possibility of contamination?

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

[barrier]

ive read alot about the case. The decision to admit the cadver dog evidence is based on the decision in other cases to allow tracker dog evidence...the same reasoning has been used . Theres a 35 page challenge to this which ive skimmed through....i can probably find it again at sometime

But what is being ignored is that it was presented to a judge at a pre trial hearing and it obviously failed to convince the judge that the challenge had enough merit to prevent the alerts being used as evidence.

[Mr Gray]

My backlog is already full, and I want to gets this parked now.

Mark Redwine is about to go to trial in September, for the 2012 murder of his 13 year old son Dylan, and disposing of the body, in Durango, Colorado.

A judge has listened to statements from 2 or more of the dog handlers, and Mary Cablk, who opined that cadaver odour would not be detected a week after removal of a body.  The judge has ruled that the cadaver dog alerts may be presented at trial.

https://durangoherald.com/articles/273928

https://www.kob.com/new-mexico-news/judge-rules-cadaver-dog-evidence-to-be-allowed-in-redwine-murder-case/5427302/

I have no idea about the bulk of the facts in this case, so I am not predicting the outcome.

I am interested in finding out more about the evidence.  And how the prosecution decides to use the dog alerts.  And how defence expert Mary Cablk chooses to refute this.

What is the group name for 16 cadaver dogs?  A posse?

what Mary cablk has said is taht in her opinion remnant scent would last no more than a week and that there is no scientific evidence to support the scent lasting a year.

[barrier]

what Mary cablk has said is taht in her opinion remnant scent would last no more than a week and that there is no scientific evidence to support the scent lasting a year.

She failed to convince the judge though,why are you ignoring that.

[Mr Gray]

Oh Davel if the above is so please explain the following:

"...we have done further extensive research, revealing that there was never a death, or a body, notified in this same apartment before".

https://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/EDDIE-KEELA.htm

What research, extensive or otherwise, was carried out to eliminate the possibility of contamination?

http://library.college.police.uk/docs/npia/Operation-Paris.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

im not sure what you are trying to say. The Pj thought there had to have been a cadaver present previously...they did not undersatnd there could have been no cadaver present but contamination from another site

[Holly Goodhead]

Something must have been in direct contact initially surely.

Nope:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

[Mr Gray]

She failed to convince the judge though,why are you ignoring that.

she failed to convince the judge that the evidence should not be presented. The judge is in no position to rule whether waht she is saying is true or false

[barrier]

Nope:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

What does this suggest then.

 Carpet squares were used as an odor transporting media after they had been contaminated with the scent of two recently deceased bodies (PMI<3h).

[Mr Gray]

Nope:

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51385143_Cadaver_dogs_-_A_study_on_detection_of_contaminated_carpet_squares

yes...the carpet squares...this is a very old article cited here many times...the squares were originally contaminted by a cadaver

[barrier]

she failed to convince the judge that the evidence should not be presented. The judge is in no position to rule whether waht she is saying is true or false

That'll be for a jury of peer's.

[barrier]

she failed to convince the judge that the evidence should not be presented. The judge is in no position to rule whether waht she is saying is true or false

What was the purpose of presenting her opinion to the judge if he wasn't going to rule on using her opinion?

[Mr Gray]

Kate visited the church...the church hosted funerals...Kate could have sat on a contaminated church seat ...there are a myriad ways contamination could have occurred...it would be impossible to check them all out...thats why the alerts have no evidential value

[Mr Gray]

What was the purpose of presenting her opinion to the judge if he wasn't going to rule on using her opinion?

because he may have done.....quite simple

[barrier]

because he may have done.....quite simple

Obviously not impressed enough to allow her opinion to sway him to not allow the dog evidence.

[Holly Goodhead]

im not sure what you are trying to say. The Pj thought there had to have been a cadaver present previously...they did not undersatnd there could have been no cadaver present but contamination from another site

Agreed but it seems to me everyone else thought along these lines other than Grime who it seems to me was happy for it to slip under the radar.  If this wasn't the case how come the PJ clearly misunderstood?