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Offline Eleanor

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #15 on: September 23, 2022, 01:24:22 PM »
Could Portugal sue The McCanns.  Any ideas on how they could go about this?

Offline jassi

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #16 on: September 23, 2022, 01:28:57 PM »
And what a joy that would be for some imo.

There are further ramifications than apportioning money ultimately reserved for charities directed for the missing which Misty has pointed out on another thread.
And to which like the elephant in the room is studiously ignored because it is put in terms which are irrefutable.

I'm late to the wake, having taken time out to buy a new dummy and put my toys back in the pram.
Sometimes the law is an ass. I think this is one of those occasions, whereby the judgement sends a chilling message to families of any child who happens to go missing or be abducted. Should such families choose to engage with the media proactively in attempts to locate their child they run the risk of being deemed public figures and subsequently receive little protection against an accusations levelled at them, regardless of innocence or guilt.
Whilst the ruling may be legally correct based on the ECHR's interpretation of the Portuguese SC's ruling, and only the SC ruling not the case as a whole, imo it is both unethical and unjust. However, it has no bearing on the ongoing investigations into Madeleine's abduction and murder, despite Amaral's gleeful pronouncement to the contrary. Madeleine's murderer hasn't yet been charged.
The ECHR can be at odds with itself on occasions, with profound effects on the culture of an entire nation.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10456956
The appeal by Italy was successful.
https://www.theguardian.com/law/2011/mar/18/european-court-human-rights-crucifixes-allowed

https://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=12414.msg691732#msg691732


The Cipriano case is one example.  The McCann another.  It would seem it is not politic for parents to publicise a missing child particularly if the police aren't bothering to do so.

Very true.

It hasn't even been established that she was murdered.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

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Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #17 on: September 23, 2022, 01:29:25 PM »
It is extraordinary the way in which "costs" run the sceptic agenda and their great cause for grievance that there was actually money in place for her parents to deal with the expense of keeping the search for Madeleine a live one at a time when THEIRS WAS THE ONLY INVESTIGATION LOOKING FOR HER.

One could almost be led to believe that there are those who believe missing children should be written off and their disappearance not investigated because of expense.
A real abductors' charter indeed.

Such was the genesis of the recent ECHR judgement

I wouldn't worry too much. Child abductions in Luz ceased abruptly after Maddie, weirdly enough.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #18 on: September 23, 2022, 01:59:39 PM »
Could Portugal sue The McCanns.  Any ideas on how they could go about this?
On what grounds? 
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #19 on: September 23, 2022, 02:04:02 PM »
Very true.

It hasn't even been established that she was murdered.

Just as it hasn't been established that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour

Offline jassi

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #20 on: September 23, 2022, 02:11:03 PM »
Just as it hasn't been established that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour

I don' remember bringing that subject up, as it doesn't concern me - unlike you it would seem.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Lace

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #21 on: September 23, 2022, 02:17:46 PM »
I wouldn't worry too much. Child abductions in Luz ceased abruptly after Maddie, weirdly enough.

I wonder if that was because someone scuttled back to Germany.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #22 on: September 23, 2022, 02:25:45 PM »
I wonder if that was because someone scuttled back to Germany.

Not before he scuttled some sort in the back of his camper. I reckon poor Maddie was trussed up in his basement while he did that.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #23 on: September 23, 2022, 02:27:03 PM »
Just as it hasn't been established that the dogs alerted to cadaver odour

Not by you maybe, but it's obvious to the rest of us.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline Wonderfulspam

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #24 on: September 23, 2022, 02:32:40 PM »
Very true.

It hasn't even been established that she was murdered.

Well I haven't ruled that possibility out.
I stand with Putin. Glory to Mother Putin.

Offline jassi

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #25 on: September 23, 2022, 02:38:32 PM »
Well I haven't ruled that possibility out.

Neither have I but there are other causes of death - accident - misadventure - manslaughter etc.
It doesn't have to be murder.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline barrier

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #26 on: September 23, 2022, 03:14:15 PM »
I wouldn't worry too much. Child abductions in Luz ceased abruptly after Maddie, weirdly enough.

There's a best seller there for CB in how to get away with it.
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Offline The General

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #27 on: September 23, 2022, 03:32:11 PM »
There's a best seller there for CB in how to get away with it.
He evades justice for 15 years for abduction and murder, despite being regularly arrested for many other variously terrible crimes in the interim, yet the one that they still can't pin on him is the one that was most heinous of all, despite having evidence and him being in custody. This, on the back of a global appeal for information 2 years ago that still hasn't resulted in sufficient evidence to charge.
You can sort of see why people are sceptical as to the veraicty of the claims.

....watch me get pinged for off-topic posting.

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Offline Eleanor

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #28 on: September 23, 2022, 03:34:58 PM »
On what grounds?

I don't know.  Amaral's Court Costs perhaps.  Although Amaral might have to do that himself.

Offline Eleanor

Re: Will there be consequences arising from the McCann's defeat at the ECHR?
« Reply #29 on: September 23, 2022, 03:36:36 PM »
I wonder if that was because someone scuttled back to Germany.

As if anyone would be daft enough to try it on again.