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Disappeared and Abducted Children and Young Adults => Madeleine McCann (3) disappeared from her parent's holiday apartment at Ocean Club, Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. No trace of her has ever been found. => Topic started by: faithlilly on April 28, 2018, 03:38:26 PM
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6156218/madeline-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-warned-not-talk-11th-anniversary-disappearance/
Odd story in so many ways.
Is it really believable that if asked not to the presenters of Loose Women would ask questions of the parents that they know may jeopardise an ongoing investigation?
The McCanns, if asked, could simply say that they cannot discuss the investigation, as they have before. How could that possibly jeopardise any ongoing enquiries?
As I said an odd article on so many levels.
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i think in essence the McCanns have been advised not to "feed the trolls". Personally, I wish they'd followed that advice years ago and retreated completely from public life, although I do understand their reasons for choosing an alternative course of action.
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No direct thank you to OG in several years and now avoiding interviews where they will be asked to comment directly.
Things must be hotting up.
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i think in essence the McCanns have been advised not to "feed the trolls". Personally, I wish they'd followed that advice years ago and retreated completely from public life, although I do understand their reasons for choosing an alternative course of action.
Do you really think OG have the least interest in what is said online about the McCanns? How could it possibly impact on their investigation?
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Do you really think OG have the least interest in what is said online about the McCanns? How could it possibly impact on their investigation?
I think as internet hate crimes are a hot topic at the moment with more examples of successful prosecutions against trolls then yes I think the Met probably do think it's wise not to antagonise these people, even those who target the McCanns - why were they so cagey about how much had been awarded to OG this time if not to avoid the furious online onslaught? There's always a danger that this fury might translate to direct action and I'm sure no one would want that, least of all the police.
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No direct thank you to OG in several years and now avoiding interviews where they will be asked to comment directly.
Things must be hotting up.
How many dozens of times have we been at this point with things allegedly getting hot for the McCanns? I lose track, but that clock has been ticking for a long time and the monkey's still not been catchee'd.
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I think as internet hate crimes are a hot topic at the moment with more examples of successful prosecutions against trolls then yes I think the Met probably do think it's wise not to antagonise these people, even those who target the McCanns - why were they so cagey about how much had been awarded to OG this time if not to avoid the furious online onslaught? There's always a danger that this fury might translate to direct action and I'm sure no one would want that, least of all the police.
Why this year ?
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Why this year ?
Because 10 years more than enough. Because the Met are reaching a critical point in the investigation and don't want anything said by the McCanns inadvertently to lead to unhelpful speculation or revelations. But of course what you really want me to say is, the McCanns are about to be arrested and led back to Portugal in cuffs and that's why they have been forbidden to talk (though why the police would forbid them if they were the chief suspects, when it might be a perfect opportunity to observe them under pressure and they might actually say something self-incriminating and therefore helpful to their case is unclear).
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Because 10 years more than enough. Because the Met are reaching a critical point in the investigation and don't want anything said by the McCanns inadvertently to lead to unhelpful speculation or revelations. But of course what you really want me to say is, the McCanns are about to be arrested and led back to Portugal in cuffs and that's why they have been forbidden to talk (though why the police would forbid them if they were the chief suspects, when it might be a perfect opportunity to observe them under pressure and they might actually say something self-incriminating and therefore helpful to their case is unclear).
“We can’t comment on the investigation”. What could be easier than that ?
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“We can’t comment on the investigation”. What could be easier than that ?
Nothing, that is true. but say the McCanns were the chief suspects and they knew it - going on past behaviour wouldn't they be rallying their defences and getting in a few pre-emptive strikes, like in 2007? After all that's how you think they operate isn't it? Are you disappointed not to be hearing from the McCanns this year?
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McCanns might have been told to shut up but no doubt family friends will have something to say on their behalf.
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Nothing, that is true. but say the McCanns were the chief suspects and they knew it - going on past behaviour wouldn't they be rallying their defences and getting in a few pre-emptive strikes, like in 2007? After all that's how you think they operate isn't it? Are you disappointed not to be hearing from the McCanns this year?
The Met are a highly respected British police force who are well practiced in media management. The investigation is also being paid for by the British taxpayer. They are not the rather shellshocked PJ and the jingoistic agenda cannot be pushed.
Can you imagine the backlash if the McCanns started overtly criticizing OG ? All that money and they are still not happy. It would simply turn the remaining supportive public against them and instead of the sympathy bestowed on them in 2007 there would be only revulsion.
The McCanns are intelligent enough to know that the defence strategies they used against the PJ will not work against the Met and so they keep quiet.
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The Met are a highly respected British police force who are well practiced in media management. The investigation is also being paid for by the British taxpayer. They are not the rather shellshocked PJ and the jingoistic agenda cannot be pushed.
Can you imagine the backlash if the McCanns started overtly criticizing OG ? All that money and they are still not happy. It would simply turn the remaining supportive public against them and instead of the sympathy bestowed on them in 2007 there would be only revulsion.
The McCanns are intelligent enough to know that the defence strategies they used against the PJ will not work against the Met and so they keep quiet.
Lots of the general public seem highly critical of Op Grange too, so strangely I can see lots of public support for the McCanns if they were to start expressing disappointment at the lack of progress, that the operation seemed to be focusing in the wrong direction, that they were not being kept in the loop, blah blah blah, they could even spearhead a call to have Operation Grange wound up on the basis that they have finally decided that she's not coming back and that enough public money has been spent with nothing to show for it. Surely alot of people would agree, even if the McCanns aren't their favourite people?
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McCanns might have been told to shut up but no doubt family friends will have something to say on their behalf.
How did we get to know there will be no interview this year? Did this come from OG or from the McCanns declining interviews? Or was it from an interview with the McCanns?
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How did we get to know there will be no interview this year? Did this come from OG or from the McCanns declining interviews? Or was it from an interview with the McCanns?
'The Sun' printed information under the auspices of "The pal said:" @)(++(* What's wrong with that?
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'The Sun' printed information under the auspices of "The pal said:" @)(++(* What's wrong with that?
Well the problem for me is I don't understand what "the PAL said" means.
"A friend of the McCanns said today: “They were told it would be a softly softly discussion about how they are coping after all these years and how their twins are faring." OK that might be Ricardo again! He was some sort of pal too wasn't he!
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Well the problem for me is I don't understand what "the PAL said" means.
"A friend of the McCanns said today: “They were told it would be a softly softly discussion about how they are coping after all these years and how their twins are faring." OK that might be Ricardo again! He was some sort of pal too wasn't he!
In my opinion it just means that the entire article is not worth the paper it is printed on and I doubt very much if Paiva is on Kate and Gerry's Christmas card list :)
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6156218/madeline-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-warned-not-talk-11th-anniversary-disappearance/
Odd story in so many ways.
Is it really believable that if asked not to the presenters of Loose Women would ask questions of the parents that they know may jeopardise an ongoing investigation?
The McCanns, if asked, could simply say that they cannot discuss the investigation, as they have before. How could that possibly jeopardise any ongoing enquiries?
As I said an odd article on so many levels.
Times are a changing.
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In my opinion it just means that the entire article is not worth the paper it is printed on and I doubt very much if Paiva is on Kate and Gerry's Christmas card list :)
Now you are confusing me even more. Are you now saying no friend of the McCanns spoke to the media about this topic.
I'll go back to my original question then how did the paper find out? "How did we get to know there will be no interview this year?"
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Now you are confusing me even more. Are you now saying no friend of the McCanns spoke to the media about this topic.
I'll go back to my original question then how did the paper find out? "How did we get to know there will be no interview this year?"
Like you I am a relative newcomer to the parallel universe we choose to enter every time we hit the power on button on our respective computers. But I have become long enough in the tooth of it all to disregard all media reports which are not direct quotes from the individuals to whom the article refers or a named, designated spokesperson.
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Like you I am a relative newcomer to the parallel universe we choose to enter every time we hit the power on button on our respective computers. But I have become long enough in the tooth of it all to disregard all media reports which are not direct quotes from the individuals to whom the article refers or a named, designated spokesperson.
Well do you think it is right that the McCanns have been asked not to give interviews this anniversary? Do you believe that bit?
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Well do you think it is right that the McCanns have been asked not to give interviews this anniversary? Do you believe that bit?
I disregard tabloid references that are not backed up with provenance.
Nor do I find it extraordinary in the least that in the continuing investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, which is being conducted under the strictures of Portuguese secrecy laws which have been invoked by the PJ and respected by SY, that Kate and Gerry would take any risk with that. Particularly since this time round the rule of law apropos secrecy is being strictly observed.
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Lots of the general public seem highly critical of Op Grange too, so strangely I can see lots of public support for the McCanns if they were to start expressing disappointment at the lack of progress, that the operation seemed to be focusing in the wrong direction, that they were not being kept in the loop, blah blah blah, they could even spearhead a call to have Operation Grange wound up on the basis that they have finally decided that she's not coming back and that enough public money has been spent with nothing to show for it. Surely alot of people would agree, even if the McCanns aren't their favourite people?
There is certainly feeling against the amount of money being spent on one missing child but not OG per se.
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I disregard tabloid references that are not backed up with provenance.
Nor do I find it extraordinary in the least that in the continuing investigation into Madeleine's disappearance, which is being conducted under the strictures of Portuguese secrecy laws which have been invoked by the PJ and respected by SY, that Kate and Gerry would take any risk with that. Particularly since this time round the rule of law apropos secrecy is being strictly observed.
Shall I post each and every time you have used a tabloid article to make a point Brietta ?
The McCanns have given an anniversary interview every year since the PJ reopened Madeleine’s case so why would judicial secrecy be an issue now. Surely as intelligent adults they would be able to take part in a television interview with saying anything that would jeopardise an ongoing enquiries? They have before so why not this year ?
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Shall I post each and every time you have used a tabloid article to make a point Brietta ?
The McCanns have given an anniversary interview every year since the PJ reopened Madeleine’s case so why would judicial secrecy be an issue now. Surely as intelligent adults they would be able to take part in a television interview with saying anything that would jeopardise an ongoing enquiries? They have before so why not this year ?
Bearing in mind John's earlier instruction to members I shall refrain from mentioning any alleged oft stated opinions regarding the organ used for the opening post of this thread.
In my opinion Kate and Gerry McCann are not public property they are private individuals who are entitled to do exactly as they see fit.
Whatever they do is their concern, theirs only and is nothing at all to do with anyone else.
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Bearing in mind John's earlier instruction to members I shall refrain from mentioning any alleged oft stated opinions regarding the organ used for the opening post of this thread.
In my opinion Kate and Gerry McCann are not public property they are private individuals who are entitled to do exactly as they see fit.
Whatever they do is their concern, theirs only and is nothing at all to do with anyone else.
I agree the McCanns are not public property and they have every right not to conduct an interview so why are you making excuses for them not doing so ?
The bottom line is ‘a pal’ has made us aware that the McCanns are not giving an interview to Loose Women ( what next year Celebrity Juice ? ) because they have been asked not to by the Met as it might harm ongoing enquiries. They did not need to tell us this so why did they ?
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I agree the McCanns are not public property and they have every right not to conduct an interview so why are you making excuses for them not doing so ?
The bottom line is ‘a pal’ has made us aware that the McCanns are not giving an interview to Loose Women ( what next year Celebrity Juice ? ) because they have been asked not to by the Met as it might harm ongoing enquiries. They did not need to tell us this so why did they ?
Let's hope the little bit that has been released won't "harm ongoing enquiries".
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I agree the McCanns are not public property and they have every right not to conduct an interview so why are you making excuses for them not doing so ?
The bottom line is ‘a pal’ has made us aware that the McCanns are not giving an interview to Loose Women ( what next year Celebrity Juice ? ) because they have been asked not to by the Met as it might harm ongoing enquiries. They did not need to tell us this so why did they ?
Did they? Please give me a cite for that.
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Let's hope the little bit that has been released won't "harm ongoing enquiries".
Has the story been picked up by any media outlet other than the SUN? I've seen none so far.
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The Met are a highly respected British police force who are well practiced in media management. The investigation is also being paid for by the British taxpayer. They are not the rather shellshocked PJ and the jingoistic agenda cannot be pushed.
Can you imagine the backlash if the McCanns started overtly criticizing OG ? All that money and they are still not happy. It would simply turn the remaining supportive public against them and instead of the sympathy bestowed on them in 2007 there would be only revulsion.
The McCanns are intelligent enough to know that the defence strategies they used against the PJ will not work against the Met and so they keep quiet.
Why should The Mccanns suddenly start criticizing OG ? They have thanked them and shown their appreciation.
IMO, The Mccanns are in the know about who did it .... and OG are anxious that they dont accidentally let the cat out of the bag. Something appears to be imminent, with the change of funding method ... or at very least the investigation is at a critical stage.
AIMO
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Has the story been picked up by any media outlet other than the SUN? I've seen none so far.
IMO just as well, for if it needs quietness to assist the investigation advertising that fact isn't going to help.
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IMO just as well, for if it needs quietness to assist the investigation advertising that fact isn't going to help.
And of course, The McCanns might actually look and sound happy.
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Why should The Mccanns suddenly start criticizing OG ? They have just quite profusely thanked them and shown their appreciation.
IMO, The Mccanns are in the know about who did it .... and OG are anxious that they dont accidentally let the cat out of the bag. Something appears to be imminent, with the change of funding method ... or at very least the investigation is at a critical stage.
AIMO
Cite for first paragraph?
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There is certainly feeling against the amount of money being spent on one missing child but not OG per se.
I've noticed plenty of criticism of OG on this forum, on Twitter and Facebook pages dedicated to the case. I've seen individual members of the team ridiculed, their methods likened to a "wild goose chase", suggestions that the whole case is one big excuse for a jolly in the sun etc etc etc. Am I wrong?
If the MccCanns hd sense that momentum was turning against them (and I seem to remember you are of the view that that was around the time of the crimewatch appeal with Andy Redwood, how many years ago?) then they have had ample time to devise a strategy to get the case shelved again, saying "enough is enough, we want to draw a line under it and get on with our lives, we thank the police for the efforts but we don't think anymore public money should be spent on searching for our daughter, much as it pains us to say so" - and you don't think this would gain a sympathetic ear from a large part of the population?
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Like you I am a relative newcomer to the parallel universe we choose to enter every time we hit the power on button on our respective computers. But I have become long enough in the tooth of it all to disregard all media reports which are not direct quotes from the individuals to whom the article refers or a named, designated spokesperson.
Now that is a quote for the reference library.
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Cite for first paragraph?
The McCanns have thanked Operation Grange on several occasions. There is no dispute over this fact.
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I've noticed plenty of criticism of OG on this forum, on Twitter and Facebook pages dedicated to the case. I've seen individual members of the team ridiculed, their methods likened to a "wild goose chase", suggestions that the whole case is one big excuse for a jolly in the sun etc etc etc. Am I wrong?
If the MccCanns hd sense that momentum was turning against them (and I seem to remember you are of the view that that was around the time of the crimewatch appeal with Andy Redwood, how many years ago?) then they have had ample time to devise a strategy to get the case shelved again, saying "enough is enough, we want to draw a line under it and get on with our lives, we thank the police for the efforts but we don't think anymore public money should be spent on searching for our daughter, much as it pains us to say so" - and you don't think this would gain a sympathetic ear from a large part of the population?
Logically the assumption could be that there would be sympathy for Kate and Gerry if they voluntarily advocated the closure of Madeleine's case but I very much fear the reaction would be neither sympathetic or logical.
It would be seen - in my opinion - as confirmation of every prejudice in the lexicon.
Kate and Gerry McCann have been roundly criticised in the past for each and every media appearance made in the hope of promoting Madeleine's case. Now apparently they are subject to criticism for allegedly not making a media appearance.
They just can't win under the rules of that game.
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Now that is a quote for the reference library.
You have my permission to quote from it any time you like but remember to use it in context. That applies to all my bon mots.
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Logically the assumption could be that there would be sympathy for Kate and Gerry if they voluntarily advocated the closure of Madeleine's case but I very much fear the reaction would be neither sympathetic or logical.
It would be seen - in my opinion - as confirmation of every prejudice in the lexicon.
Kate and Gerry McCann have been roundly criticised in the past for each and every media appearance made in the hope of promoting Madeleine's case. Now apparently they are subject to criticism for allegedly not making a media appearance.
They just can't win under the rules of that game.
Well said Brietta.
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Logically the assumption could be that there would be sympathy for Kate and Gerry if they voluntarily advocated the closure of Madeleine's case but I very much fear the reaction would be neither sympathetic or logical.
It would be seen - in my opinion - as confirmation of every prejudice in the lexicon.
Kate and Gerry McCann have been roundly criticised in the past for each and every media appearance made in the hope of promoting Madeleine's case. Now apparently they are subject to criticism for allegedly not making a media appearance.
They just can't win under the rules of that game.
I honestly believe that the lack of a round of media interviews this anniversary is a great source of disappointment - not for the McCann supporters or anyone neutral or disinterested in the case, but for the many who use these interviews to further fuel their speculation about the case,to pore over every word uttered, to run the utterances through the rinser to derive, new and sinister meanings, to criticise, mock and make "satirical" memes for the enjoyment of like-minded souls, etc.
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I've noticed plenty of criticism of OG on this forum, on Twitter and Facebook pages dedicated to the case. I've seen individual members of the team ridiculed, their methods likened to a "wild goose chase", suggestions that the whole case is one big excuse for a jolly in the sun etc etc etc. Am I wrong?
If the MccCanns hd sense that momentum was turning against them (and I seem to remember you are of the view that that was around the time of the crimewatch appeal with Andy Redwood, how many years ago?) then they have had ample time to devise a strategy to get the case shelved again, saying "enough is enough, we want to draw a line under it and get on with our lives, we thank the police for the efforts but we don't think anymore public money should be spent on searching for our daughter, much as it pains us to say so" - and you don't think this would gain a sympathetic ear from a large part of the population?
Notice I have previously said ‘ the remaining supportive public’ not those who usually comment on Twitter and Facebook. Those hearts and minds have already been lost.
The rest of your post confuses me. If momentum had turned against the parents do you think anything they said, either in public or private, would hasten the closure of the investigation ? Of course not and the McCanns are intelligent enough not to even try, overtly anyway. Imagine if during the Philpott case the parents, once they had come under suspicion, had expressed the wish that they did not want any more money spent on the investigation into their children’s death ? How would that play with the investigating force never mind the public?
Of course we have also to factor in the fact that the McCanns have always defended the amount of money spent on this case so to to doa volte-face now would merely raise suspicions.
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The McCanns have thanked Operation Grange on several occasions. There is no dispute over this fact.
Not directly.
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I honestly believe that the lack of a round of media interviews this anniversary is a great source of disappointment - not for the McCann supporters or anyone neutral or disinterested in the case, but for the many who use these interviews to further fuel their speculation about the case,to pore over every word uttered, to run the utterances through the rinser to derive, new and sinister meanings, to criticise, mock and make "satirical" memes for the enjoyment of like-minded souls, etc.
Yet still every year the give an interview....until this year. Most odd.
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Yet still every year the give an interview....until this year. Most odd.
One must be thankful for small mercies.
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Yet still every year the give an interview....until this year. Most odd.
Odd to you... Not to others
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Odd to you... Not to others
I think the fact that they proffered an explanation for the lack of an interview suggests that they knew it would appear odd. That the explanation was odder still is classic McCann.
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Not directly.
So how do you KNOW that?
Have you been at every meeting with them? Every phone call, have you tapped those? Have you read every personal letter?
Quite honestly Faith, you DO NOT KNOW that. It is make believe
.... and not even a challenge from slarti ... or an IMO added !!!!
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I think the fact that they proffered an explanation for the lack of an interview suggests that they knew it would appear odd. That the explanation was odder still is classic McCann.
That's your opinion but not necessarily true
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That's your opinion but not necessarily true
Oh I think you’ll find I’m correct.
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Why should The Mccanns suddenly start criticizing OG ? They have thanked them and shown their appreciation.
IMO, The Mccanns are in the know about who did it .... and OG are anxious that they dont accidentally let the cat out of the bag. Something appears to be imminent, with the change of funding method ... or at very least the investigation is at a critical stage.
AIMO
Sorry Sadie but the only critical thing about Operation Grange is who is going to admit failure.
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Well do you think it is right that the McCanns have been asked not to give interviews this anniversary? Do you believe that bit?
I don't! The main reasons being what can they possibly say to 'harm' the investigation. I believe Maddie is now on a back burner and they have new lives to live. Perhaps they no longer want to be associated with that 'mistake that anyone in the UK can make because we all leave our kids alone' apparently. I also believe they do not have the same 'support and or sympathy they once had , as more and more people became wary of their version of events. IMO
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Tell me Davel. How do you think saying that they cannot comment on the investigation in an interview would mean that the McCanns might jeopardise any ongoing enquiries?
To date I have seen nothing to support your implication that Kate and Gerry have said anything at all ... we know someone saw fit to print it in a tabloid who was neither of them nor was it a recognised and named spokesperson ... where has your information come from?
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The McCanns not doing an interview is considered suspicious by some. But the McCanns would inevitably say or do something if they DID do an interview that would raise suspicions - they always have for some people and there's no reason why they wouldn't raise suspicions again if they were to give an interview on the 11th anniversary. That was my point.
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Sorry Sadie but the only critical thing about Operation Grange is who is going to admit failure.
IMO,
The only critical thing about Operation Grange is, are the people that they are after so important and powerful that they are untouchable?
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I don't! The main reasons being what can they possibly say to 'harm' the investigation. I believe Maddie is now on a back burner and they have new lives to live. Perhaps they no longer want to be associated with that 'mistake that anyone in the UK can make because we all leave our kids alone' apparently. I also believe they do not have the same 'support and or sympathy they once had , as more and more people became wary of their version of events. IMO
Apparently SY were involved in what interviews they agreed to do last year, so it's no surprise that they had an input this year imo. I don't suppose it was a sacrifice to give up a few minutes on Loose Women; it was hardly worth travelling to London for.
The couple are considering two pooled interviews in Britain, one for print through the country's national agency Press Association and one for broadcasters.
Both are being organised through Scotland Yard, Mitchell explained. He said: "There will be no fee."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2876843/kate-gerry-mccann-cashing-in-anniversary-maddies-disappearance/
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To date I have seen nothing to support your implication that Kate and Gerry have said anything at all ... we know someone saw fit to print it in a tabloid who was neither of them nor was it a recognised and named spokesperson ... where has your information come from?
A friend of the McCanns said...
So we either accept statements made on behalf of the McCanns or not?
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So we either accept statements made on behalf of the McCanns or not?
Don't they usually appear in the tabloids, which are treated with suspicion?
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So we either accept statements made on behalf of the McCanns or not?
You are at liberty to accept whatever you wish ... that is entirely at your discretion.
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Apparently SY were involved in what interviews they agreed to do last year, so it's no surprise that they had an input this year imo. I don't suppose it was a sacrifice to give up a few minutes on Loose Women; it was hardly worth travelling to London for.
The couple are considering two pooled interviews in Britain, one for print through the country's national agency Press Association and one for broadcasters.
Both are being organised through Scotland Yard, Mitchell explained. He said: "There will be no fee."
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2876843/kate-gerry-mccann-cashing-in-anniversary-maddies-disappearance/
Were there two pooled interviews ?
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Only days till the anniversary now.
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Another day and no interview. So far the prediction is holding true.
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You are at liberty to accept whatever you wish ... that is entirely at your discretion.
That is the crux of it. I for one don't believe anything claiming to be from the 'family' or from a 'family friend' as the media are well known to make up any old rubbish they like and especially now that Leveson has been exposed as a sham.
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Another day and no interview. So far the prediction is holding true.
Are you disappointed Robbie?
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That is the crux of it. I for one don't believe anything claiming to be from the 'family' or from a 'family friend' as the media are well known to make up any old rubbish they like and especially now that Leveson has been exposed as a sham.
The McCanns are also known for using family and spokespeople to provide comment to the press and so far we have not seen a denial from Mitchell.
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Could we stay on topic please guys. TY
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Are you disappointed Robbie?
I am disappointed that I have not solved the case. Is the suggestion that there will be no announcement disappointing? yes I think so.
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The McCanns are also known for using family and spokespeople to provide comment to the press and so far we have not seen a denial from Mitchell.
Don't think there will be anything from family members - they were shut up years ago.
Favorite now is family friend, or source close to the family. They can also rely on friendly reporter Tracy
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Don't think there will be anything from family members - they were shut up years ago.
Favorite now is family friend, or source close to the family. They can also rely on friendly reporter Tracy
I thought it was the invitation to appear on 'Loose Women' they objected about?
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I thought it was the invitation to appear on 'Loose Women' they objected about?
Is it me or can the police ask or advise but not tell people what to do? If they do advise, is it sensible for those advised to share even that?
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I thought it was the invitation to appear on 'Loose Women' they objected about?
Dreadful programme.IMO
Cannot imagine they would want to appear on that!
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Dreadful programme.IMO
Cannot imagine they would want to appear on that!
Could the OG have advised the McCanns not to talk about the case just on Loose Women?
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Have OG spoken directly about this or is it an unattributed tabloid story?
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Could the OG have advised the McCanns not to talk about the case just on Loose Women?
Would be my advice.
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Have OG spoken directly about this or is it an unattributed tabloid story?
We’ll know on Thursday.
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Four days have now passed since the Sun ran with the story as noted in the opening post. To date it seems no-one else has bothered. False news? or the Sun being at least four days ahead of the pack? or the sceptics having their wish granted that the main stream media are bored at last and will print no more?
Obviously in my opinion, Kate and Gerry would not be discussing the present police investigation under any circumstances and every aspect of their lives must be centred on that at the moment.
So what else is there to say in an interview which hasn't been said before? Or what questions based on prior knowledge might now be prejudicial to Madeleine's case if answered or not answered in accordance with Kate and Gerry's current knowledge?
Bearing in mind they are being kept fully informed of developments.
My heart went out to Katrice Lee's mother, Sharon, who in my opinion spoke for all the others as she told The Sun that Katrice was ‘gone in a matter of seconds’ and describing her life since as:‘It’s living a nightmare that you never wake up from'.
If anyone is disappointed that Kate and Gerry apparently won't be giving an interview this anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance they will be able to get a measure of the despair they may be feeling if they read Sharon Lee's thoughts on the lifetime she has missed with her daughter Katrice and as the police make another attempt to find out what happened to her, as follows ...
‘Nearly 37 years ago we became members of an exclusive club we didn’t ask for membership of – we became parents of a missing daughter.
‘I would dearly love to be able to revoke that membership. although I would like a fairytale ending to our story, I fully appreciate that might not be.
‘But at the end of the day, we will have closure and any emotions that come from that closure we will learn to live with and deal with as we have for the past nearly 37 years.
‘The next five weeks is a double-edged sword for us as a family.
‘We desperately want Katrice to be found but we also know that if anything is discovered during this search then my daughter’s (life) would have been ended in very unsavoury circumstances. That’s another emotion we have learn to live with.’ Sharon Lee
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20180501/282033327814498
It is not the exclusive club, as described above, membership of which we would be envious. Which in my opinion makes any speculation regarding the interaction with the media unknown territory to those of us blessed never to have known the experience of reliance on it to promote our child's case.
In my opinion whatever action Kate and Gerry may take is for them and them alone to decide and one can only wonder at the criticism being directed at them particularly as it is said accurately or not, that they may be acting on police advice.
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Four days have now passed since the Sun ran with the story as noted in the opening post. To date it seems no-one else has bothered. False news? or the Sun being at least four days ahead of the pack? or the sceptics having their wish granted that the main stream media are bored at last and will print no more?
Obviously in my opinion, Kate and Gerry would not be discussing the present police investigation under any circumstances and every aspect of their lives must be centred on that at the moment.
So what else is there to say in an interview which hasn't been said before? Or what questions based on prior knowledge might now be prejudicial to Madeleine's case if answered or not answered in accordance with Kate and Gerry's current knowledge?
Bearing in mind they are being kept fully informed of developments.
My heart went out to Katrice Lee's mother, Sharon, who in my opinion spoke for all the others as she told The Sun that Katrice was ‘gone in a matter of seconds’ and describing her life since as:‘It’s living a nightmare that you never wake up from'.
If anyone is disappointed that Kate and Gerry apparently won't be giving an interview this anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance they will be able to get a measure of the despair they may be feeling if they read Sharon Lee's thoughts on the lifetime she has missed with her daughter Katrice and as the police make another attempt to find out what happened to her, as follows ...
‘Nearly 37 years ago we became members of an exclusive club we didn’t ask for membership of – we became parents of a missing daughter.
‘I would dearly love to be able to revoke that membership. although I would like a fairytale ending to our story, I fully appreciate that might not be.
‘But at the end of the day, we will have closure and any emotions that come from that closure we will learn to live with and deal with as we have for the past nearly 37 years.
‘The next five weeks is a double-edged sword for us as a family.
‘We desperately want Katrice to be found but we also know that if anything is discovered during this search then my daughter’s (life) would have been ended in very unsavoury circumstances. That’s another emotion we have learn to live with.’ Sharon Lee
https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish-daily-mail/20180501/282033327814498
It is not the exclusive club, as described above, membership of which we would be envious. Which in my opinion makes any speculation regarding the interaction with the media unknown territory to those of us blessed never to have known the experience of reliance on it to promote our child's case.
In my opinion whatever action Kate and Gerry may take is for them and them alone to decide and one can only wonder at the criticism being directed at them particularly as it is said accurately or not, that they may be acting on police advice.
You have to wonder though....why now ? Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ? If, and it is a big if, the Met have asked the parents not to do an interview what are the reasons behind that request because I don't think for one minute it's because they may let something slip about the investigation ?
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You have to wonder though....why now ? Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ? If, and it is a big if, the Met have asked the parents not to do an interview what are the reasons behind that request because I don't think for one minute it's because they may let something slip about the investigation ?
With all due respect ... I don't have to wonder anything at all. It is not for me or anyone else in my opinion, to intrude into alleged decisions taken in conjunction with alleged police advice to speculate on alleged decisions made by two sentient adults whose business is none of my concern.
As Sharon Lee so eloquently pointed out she and her family "became members of an exclusive club we didn’t ask for membership of". I understand precisely what she means by that.
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With all due respect ... I don't have to wonder anything at all. It is not for me or anyone else in my opinion, to intrude into alleged decisions taken in conjunction with alleged police advice to speculate on alleged decisions made by two sentient adults whose business is none of my concern.
As Sharon Lee so eloquently pointed out she and her family "became members of an exclusive club we didn’t ask for membership of". I understand precisely what she means by that.
Excellent that you have taken the decision not to wonder but please afford the rest of the forum the freedom to make their own choice.
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Excellent that you have taken the decision not to wonder but please afford the rest of the forum the freedom to make their own choice.
Please stick to the theme of the thread.
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You have to wonder though....why now ? Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ? If, and it is a big if, the Met have asked the parents not to do an interview what are the reasons behind that request because I don't think for one minute it's because they may let something slip about the investigation ?
But why take the risk?
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Any news on anniversary interviews or was the Sun correct ?
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Any news on anniversary interviews or was the Sun correct ?
Correct about what exactly??
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Correct about what exactly??
That there would be no interview.......and no thanks again to OG or the HO in their anniversary message.
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That there would be no interview.......and no thanks again to OG or the HO in their anniversary message.
I'm sure The Sun will be gratified that at long last the stigma of twenty nine years appears to be wiped by the expediency of a non news story.
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Official Find Madeleine Campaign
5 hrs ·
May 2018 – 11th Anniversary of Madeleine’s Abduction
It gets harder to know what to say or write as each anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction approaches then passes. Life is full and busy which helps but Madeleine is still missing and she is still dearly missed. Information continues to come in (incredible as it may seem after so long, although we are grateful for that) and work goes on. Perseverance and hope remain.
Thank you to everyone who continues to support us and wish us, especially Madeleine, well. After eleven years such warmth and persisting solidarity is truly remarkable, and at the same time a real tonic and boost to our spirit. We couldn’t bear for Madeleine to be forgotten or to become just a ‘story’. She is a real person and still our ‘little girl’ and as we always have, we will endeavour to do whatever it takes to find her. Thank you so much for staying with us on this mission.
Kate and Gerry
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-post-heartfelt-12470455
Tracey's report in the Mirror.
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I'm sure The Sun will be gratified that at long last the stigma of twenty nine years appears to be wiped by the expediency of a non news story.
That is a stigma that will never be expunged.
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That is a stigma that will never be expunged.
You seem to be coping reasonably well.
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You seem to be coping reasonably well.
But then again I didn’t have somebody who died at Hillborough.
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You don’t think that not publicly thanking OG for the work they are doing and the HO for the public money they are providing is ungrateful? I certainly do.
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You don’t think that not publicly thanking OG for the work they are doing and the HO for the public money they are providing is ungrateful? I certainly do.
Why would they thank them when they know the Met are closing in and it's only a matter of a few more tick-tocks before they're nabbed? That's the logic behind your constantly harping on about this non-issue and it's probbly time to give it a rest IMO. The McCanns have thanked EVERYONE who has supported them, and that most certainly includes all the police, and public officials who have done everything they can to keep this case funded and active.
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Official Find Madeleine Campaign
5 hrs ·
May 2018 – 11th Anniversary of Madeleine’s Abduction
It gets harder to know what to say or write as each anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction approaches then passes. Life is full and busy which helps but Madeleine is still missing and she is still dearly missed. Information continues to come in (incredible as it may seem after so long, although we are grateful for that) and work goes on. Perseverance and hope remain.
Thank you to everyone who continues to support us and wish us, especially Madeleine, well. After eleven years such warmth and persisting solidarity is truly remarkable, and at the same time a real tonic and boost to our spirit. We couldn’t bear for Madeleine to be forgotten or to become just a ‘story’. She is a real person and still our ‘little girl’ and as we always have, we will endeavour to do whatever it takes to find her. Thank you so much for staying with us on this mission.
Kate and Gerry
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-post-heartfelt-12470455
Tracey's report in the Mirror.
A warm and grateful message.
The warmth and solidarity they speak of must help at this sad anniversary.
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Why would they thank them when they know the Met are closing in and it's only a matter of a few more tick-tocks before they're nabbed? That's the logic behind your constantly harping on about this non-issue and it's probbly time to give it a rest IMO. The McCanns have thanked EVERYONE who has supported them, and that most certainly includes all the police, and public officials who have done everything they can to keep this case funded and active.
Given that Amaral received quite a large donation to his legal fund from MET officers, it would appear that not everyone at SY has the same confidence you speak of.
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Given that Amaral received quite a large donation to his legal fund from MET officers, it would appear that not everyone at SY has the same confidence you speak of.
It has been claimed he did...I find it hard to beleve
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It has been claimed he did...I find it hard to beleve
The account showed it and a senior officer later confirmed it if I recall. The former can be faked but not the latter.
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It has been claimed he did...I find it hard to beleve
So do I.
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Official Find Madeleine Campaign
5 hrs ·
May 2018 – 11th Anniversary of Madeleine’s Abduction
It gets harder to know what to say or write as each anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction approaches then passes. Life is full and busy which helps but Madeleine is still missing and she is still dearly missed. Information continues to come in (incredible as it may seem after so long, although we are grateful for that) and work goes on. Perseverance and hope remain.
Thank you to everyone who continues to support us and wish us, especially Madeleine, well. After eleven years such warmth and persisting solidarity is truly remarkable, and at the same time a real tonic and boost to our spirit. We couldn’t bear for Madeleine to be forgotten or to become just a ‘story’. She is a real person and still our ‘little girl’ and as we always have, we will endeavour to do whatever it takes to find her. Thank you so much for staying with us on this mission.
Kate and Gerry
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-post-heartfelt-12470455
Tracey's report in the Mirror.
Thank you for posting that misty, it's pretty minimal to say the least.
Yet again we have the 'abduction' narrative as if it was a foregone conclusion, undoubtedly intended for the benefit and consumption of their dwindling supporters.
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Given that Amaral received quite a large donation to his legal fund from MET officers, it would appear that not everyone at SY has the same confidence you speak of.
lI didn't speak of any confidence. I said that their message of thanks no doubt extends to EVERYONE who supports them, amongst whom will number SOME police officers and SOME government officials who have kept the investigation going.
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Thank you for posting that misty, it's pretty minimal to say the least.
Yet again we have the 'abduction' narrative as if it was a foregone conclusion, undoubtedly intended for the benefit and consumption of their dwindling supporters.
In the situation in which they find themselves could they push anything else ?
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It has been claimed he did...I find it hard to beleve
I share your disbelief.
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Thank you for posting that misty, it's pretty minimal to say the least.
Yet again we have the 'abduction' narrative as if it was a foregone conclusion, undoubtedly intended for the benefit and consumption of their dwindling supporters.
Dwindling everything - 11 years later. Sooner or later Madeleine (if abducted) could have kids of her own to look after!
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Thank you for posting that misty, it's pretty minimal to say the least.
Yet again we have the 'abduction' narrative as if it was a foregone conclusion, undoubtedly intended for the benefit and consumption of their dwindling supporters.
It's ultimately for Madeleine's benefit, keeping her profile in the public domain. Her parents are better-placed than the GBP to know what's happening in the current investigation so perhaps all those who doubt Kate & Gerry's integrity should bear that fact in mind.
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A service in support of Madeleine has taken place each year since her disappearance and last year Kate and Gerry gave an interview to mark their tenth year without her.
Since Madeleine's case was reopened in 2013 Kate and Gerry have taken a lower media profile. I would be obliged if cites could be provided in support of the theme of the thread detailing the annual interview at this time each year.
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Please remember the thread topic is " No Interview This Anniversary ?"
It would be good if someone was able to pin point with a cite whether or not other years had an "anniversary interview".
If they did not ... why would this year be extraordinary in not having one?
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Faith. While we are on the subject of cites, have you found one yet which confirms annual interviews each anniversary with the exception of the tenth?
I have requested one two or three times, you must have missed them.
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Whatever.
There is nothing to say in an interview this year anyway.
The time honoured principle of these things being "to pass good news upwards" to become a worthy pullee thereby gaining support.
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The Loose Women' mentioned the case without input from the McCanns. Their main interest seemed to be the level of funding spent on one child but not on other missing children. They seemed to assume that no progress has been made. Perhaps the McCanns might have been tempted to reply to that, given their 'inside knowledge'.
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Faith. While we are on the subject of cites, have you found one yet which confirms annual interviews each anniversary with the exception of the tenth?
I have requested one two or three times, you must have missed them.
The 11th anniversary not the 10th.
You have access to the same information as me so I’m sure you can verify that yourself.
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Unless there is substantiation of the original premise in my opinion this thread is merely writ large as another opportunity for unwarranted McCann bashing.
"The McCanns have given an anniversary interview every year since the PJ reopened Madeleine’s case so why would judicial secrecy be an issue now. Surely as intelligent adults they would be able to take part in a television interview with saying anything that would jeopardise an ongoing enquiries? They have before so why not this year ?"
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg458995#msg458995
If the premise that Kate and Gerry give an annual interview is mistaken and it seems to be as no cite has been given for it by anyone ~ including me, I asked the question because I couldn't find one ~ it perfectly illustrates how factoids are generated.
It is worth bearing in mind that Kate and Gerry McCann are not quoted in the press article which generated this 'debate' nor is any official spokesperson.
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The Loose Women' mentioned the case without input from the McCanns. Their main interest seemed to be the level of funding spent on one child but not on other missing children. They seemed to assume that no progress has been made. Perhaps the McCanns might have been tempted to reply to that, given their 'inside knowledge'.
What on earth makes you think the McCanns would want to reveal inside knowledge of Op Grange to defend criticism about the investigation on Loose Women? Sensibly, they will not be goaded it seems.
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The 11th anniversary not the 10th.
You have access to the same information as me so I’m sure you are intelligent enough to verify what I say yourself.
An interview was given on the tenth anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance in which Kate said ...
Snip
Describing the decade as “a horrible marker of time, stolen time”, Kate McCann said it was “time we should have had with Madeleine. We should have been a family of five all that time.”
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/30/madeleine-mccann-disappearance-parents-still-hope-10th-anniversary
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It was indeed but the OP concerns the 11th anniversary.
From yourself
‘While we are on the subject of cites, have you found one yet which confirms annual interviews each anniversary with the exception of the tenth?’
It is my opinion that your claim is that the eleventh anniversary - this year - is the only year that an interview has not been given.
I base that on your statement "The McCanns have given an anniversary interview every year since the PJ reopened Madeleine’s case".
Knowing that Kate and Gerry have maintained a low media profile, for the simple reason that in my opinion one is not required as long as the PJ and SY are on the job ... I searched for confirmation of your premise and found none.
You have not been able to locate a cite in support of your assertion either.
In the interest of accuracy ~ I think you should review your posts to make appropriate amendments where there is reliance on flawed information in support of your argument.
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It is my opinion that your claim is that the eleventh anniversary - this year - is the only year that an interview has not been given.
I base that on your statement "The McCanns have given an anniversary interview every year since the PJ reopened Madeleine’s case".
Knowing that Kate and Gerry have maintained a low media profile, for the simple reason that in my opinion one is not required as long as the PJ and SY are on the job ... I searched for confirmation of your premise and found none.
You have not been able to locate a cite in support of your assertion either.
In the interest of accuracy ~ I think you should review your posts to make appropriate amendments where there is reliance on flawed information in support of your argument.
That was my claim however if you read your post you thought it was the tenth.
If any member thinks I have misrepresented anything then they are quite at liberty to point the misrepresentation out to me and I will amend accordingly.
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What on earth makes you think the McCanns would want to reveal inside knowledge of Op Grange to defend criticism about the investigation on Loose Women? Sensibly, they will not be goaded it seems.
It seems the Met thought they might say something unhelpful, not me. According to 'a friend of the McCann's;;
Kate and Gerry were asked to appear on ITV show Loose Women but detectives told them it “would not be helpful” ....."They told them it could hinder rather than help and specifically advised them not to.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6156218/madeline-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-warned-not-talk-11th-anniversary-disappearance/
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That was my claim however if you read your post you thought it was the tenth.
If any member thinks I have misrepresented anything then they are quite at liberty to point the misrepresentation out to me and I will amend accordingly.
Kate and Gerry have not given an annual interview to mark the anniversary of Madeleine's disappearance as you have claimed on this thread more than once.
The exception to that being last year when they gave an interview marking the tenth anniversary.
"Yet still every year the give an interview....until this year. Most odd." http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459034#msg459034
I am a member of the forum who has now pointed out where you have twice posted mistakenly that this year is unique in there being no interview.
You have made a statement you will amend accordingly I await that with interest.
I will be taking no part in further argument on this subject; in future if a cite is requested and none provided I will take the appropriate action in dealing with it.
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It seems the Met thought they might say something unhelpful, not me. According to 'a friend of the McCann's;;
Kate and Gerry were asked to appear on ITV show Loose Women but detectives told them it “would not be helpful” ....."They told them it could hinder rather than help and specifically advised them not to.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6156218/madeline-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-warned-not-talk-11th-anniversary-disappearance/
I would treat this with a pinch of salt to melt the fairy dust on this story. I have had it on very good authority that the police never issue gagging orders to members of the public, especially if they wish to seek help to 'find their missing loved one'
The very idea that the McCanns are privy to sensitive details about the investigation is laughable.
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I would treat this with a pinch of salt to melt the fairy dust on this story. I have had it on very good authority that the police never issue gagging orders to members of the public, especially if they wish to seek help to 'find their missing loved one'
The very idea that the McCanns are privy to sensitive details about the investigation is laughable.
The idea that the parents of a missing child are not being kept up to date with developments about the investigation into their own child is quite laughable IMO. The McCanns were not issued with a "gagging order", they were advised not to appear on Loose Women by the police so as not to run any risk of jeopardising the investigation by revealing any details.
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One has to think about what information the McCanns have that would jeopardise the investigation. none! WOULD BE THE ANSWER.
The SY will not reveal anything to the McCanns regarding the details of any suspects or very sensitive information. There was no disclosure of any information to the McCanns which could jeopardise this case as this is against police investigations remit. And a lot of nonsense.
The reasons I am very sure are simple. They cannot name a suspect on live TV for two reasons:
1. against that persons human rights- if this was to go to trial.
2. it would be libellous as they would need evidence and SY would never disclosed this to anyone except the PF office or a Judge for a warrant to search before an arrest.
3. The police have a duty to protect suspects, in case of retribution from family/friends
But we are lead to believe the SY/OG are their bessy mates and tell them everything.. yeah, I know hahahahaha
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One has to think about what information the McCanns have that would jeopardise the investigation. none! WOULD BE THE ANSWER.
The SY will not reveal anything to the McCanns regarding the details of any suspects or very sensitive information. There was no disclosure of any information to the McCanns which could jeopardise this case as this is against police investigations remit. And a lot of nonsense.
The reasons I am very sure are simple. They cannot name a suspect on live TV for two reasons:
1. against that persons human rights- if this was to go to trial.
2. it would be libellous as they would need evidence and SY would never disclosed this to anyone except the PF office or a Judge for a warrant to search before an arrest.
3. The police have a duty to protect suspects, in case of retribution from family/friends
But we are lead to believe the SY/OG are their bessy mates and tell them everything.. yeah, I know hahahahaha
IYO.
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IYO.
No, not in my opinion. You need to read up on police procedures, the law, the human rights act. Or do as I did , and got it from a high ranking police officer. :)
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One has to think about what information the McCanns have that would jeopardise the investigation. none! WOULD BE THE ANSWER.
The SY will not reveal anything to the McCanns regarding the details of any suspects or very sensitive information. There was no disclosure of any information to the McCanns which could jeopardise this case as this is against police investigations remit. And a lot of nonsense.
The reasons I am very sure are simple. They cannot name a suspect on live TV for two reasons:
1. against that persons human rights- if this was to go to trial.
2. it would be libellous as they would need evidence and SY would never disclosed this to anyone except the PF office or a Judge for a warrant to search before an arrest.
3. The police have a duty to protect suspects, in case of retribution from family/friends
But we are lead to believe the SY/OG are their bessy mates and tell them everything.. yeah, I know hahahahaha
The McCann's were named as suspects on portugal TV... So that rather contradicts your own post
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No, not in my opinion. You need to read up on police procedures, the law, the human rights act. Or do as I did , and got it from a high ranking police officer. :)
"Under the Victims’ Code of Practice,
which came into effect in 2006, the police in
England and Wales have a statutory obligation
of “keeping victims updated on the progress
of ongoing investigations and their outcome,
including whether or not action is being taken
against any suspect.”3
The Victims’ Code specifies
that police forces must tell the victim, at least
monthly, about progress in cases being actively
investigated up until the point of the closure of the
investigation. They must also tell victims about key
events in their case such as the arrest, bail, charge,
summons, remand or other disposal of the case".
https://www.victimsupport.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20dark%20-%20why%20victims%20of%20crime%20need%20to%20be%20kept%20informed.pdf
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The McCann's were named as suspects on portugal TV... So that rather contradicts your own post
The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.
Made up story. UNLESS you have evidence.
"Under the Victims’ Code of Practice,
which came into effect in 2006, the police in
England and Wales have a statutory obligation
of “keeping victims updated on the progress
of ongoing investigations and their outcome,
including whether or not action is being taken
against any suspect.”3
The Victims’ Code specifies
that police forces must tell the victim, at least
monthly, about progress in cases being actively
investigated up until the point of the closure of the
investigation. They must also tell victims about key
events in their case such as the arrest, bail, charge,
summons, remand or other disposal of the case".
https://www.victimsupport.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20dark%20-%20why%20victims%20of%20crime%20need%20to%20be%20kept%20informed.pdf
Oh stoopid me. I forgot the bit where the police go to the victims house and tell them we are going to arrest xyz tomorrow at his/her home address which is 1234 lalalalala land.
But If I read this correctly it really does support what I said. Victims are not given a blow by blow account of the investigation or are privvy to 'sensitive' information and are only told about suspects arrest AFTER the arrest has been made. The updates are usually 'we have new line of enquiry or a new lead to follow...along those lines. Someone tried the FOI and failed so the McCanns may or may not be seen as victims a a crime has not been established as yet.
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The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.
Made up story. UNLESS you have evidence.
Oh stoopid me. I forgot the bit where the police go to the victims house and tell them we are going to arrest xyz tomorrow at his/her home address which is 1234 lalalalala land.
But If I read this correctly it really does support what I said. Victims are not given a blow by blow account of the investigation or are privvy to 'sensitive' information and are only told about suspects arrest AFTER the arrest has been made. The updates are usually 'we have new line of enquiry or a new lead to follow...along those lines. Someone tried the FOI and failed so the McCanns may or may not be seen as victims a a crime has not been established as yet.
It does not support what you said. It clearly states that the police must update victims of serious crimes on the progress of the investigation at least monthly. Are you really having us believe that the McCanns know no more about the progress of Operation Grange than you or I? Ridiculous assertion IMO.
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The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.
the newspaper certainly did.....
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The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.
Made up story. UNLESS you have evidence.
Oh stoopid me. I forgot the bit where the police go to the victims house and tell them we are going to arrest xyz tomorrow at his/her home address which is 1234 lalalalala land.
But If I read this correctly it really does support what I said. Victims are not given a blow by blow account of the investigation or are privvy to 'sensitive' information and are only told about suspects arrest AFTER the arrest has been made. The updates are usually 'we have new line of enquiry or a new lead to follow...along those lines. Someone tried the FOI and failed so the McCanns may or may not be seen as victims a a crime has not been established as yet.
as the mccanns have not been charged yes they are considered victims of a crime...officially
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It does not support what you said. It clearly states that the police must update victims of serious crimes on the progress of the investigation at least monthly. Are you really having us believe that the McCanns know no more about the progress of Operation Grange than you or I? Ridiculous assertion IMO.
In your opinion is that monthly historical or monthly contemporaneous?
Is it furthermore, in your opinion, a broad brush report or a "full dog and pony show"?
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In your opinion is that monthly historical or monthly contemporaneous?
Is it furthermore, in your opinion, a broad brush report or a "full dog and pony show"?
It is what I stated and quoted directly from the Victims’ Code of Practice, my or your opinion of it is neither here nor there. The police are duty bound to keep victims of serious crime updated on the progress of a live investigation on a monthly basis at least. If the information being shared was nothing more than that which was already known to the general public, then why bother with a monthly update at all? The police would just tell victims to read about any progress in the Sun.
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It is what I stated and quoted directly from the Victims’ Code of Practice, my or your opinion of it is neither here nor there. The police are duty bound to keep victims of serious crime updated on the progress of a live investigation on a monthly basis at least. If the information being shared was nothing more than that which was already known to the general public, then why bother with a monthly update at all? The police would just tell victims to read about any progress in the Sun.
The bit you cut and pasted does not state whether the progress update was historical monthly or contemporaneous monthly.
Which in your opinion is most likely in the absence of a definitive statement.
As the potential offence took place in Portugal where the Met have no jurisdiction how do you think monthly progress reports by the Met fit in with Portuguese judicial secrecy?
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The bit you cut and pasted does not state whether the progress update was historical monthly or contemporaneous monthly.
Which in your opinion is most likely in the absence of a definitive statement.
As the potential offence took place in Portugal where the Met have no jurisdiction how do you think monthly progress reports by the Met fit in with Portuguese judicial secrecy?
Updated monthly about the progress of the live, current investigation- I don’t know what you’re driving at, it can’t be clearer. As for Portuguese Judicial secrecy, does that law extend to the Met in the UK, and who specifically does judicial secrecy include and exclude? As I recall, even before the McCanns were arguidos they were bound by judicial secrecy not to discuss the investigation which obviously meant they knew more about what was going on thsn the general public.
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Updated monthly about the progress of the live, current investigation- I don’t know what you’re driving at, it can’t be clearer. As for Portuguese Judicial secrecy, does that law extend to the Met in the UK, and who specifically does judicial secrecy include and exclude? As I recall, even before the McCanns were arguidos they were bound by judicial secrecy not to discuss the investigation which obviously meant they knew more about what was going on thsn the general public.
You do not understand the difference between historic and comtemporaneous then?
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You do not understand the difference between historic and comtemporaneous then?
not in the context of your question, no.
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You do not understand the difference between historic and comtemporaneous then?
if they are obliged to keep victims up to date then what relevance has historic information to do with anything
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not in the context of your question, no.
What an amazing admission.
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What an amazing admission.
Yup, I don’t know what you’re driving at. Why would any victim of crime require historical updates, makes no sense. Obviously any updates would be to inform of the latest developments not what happened months or years ago.
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Yup, I don’t know what you’re driving at. Why would any victim of crime require historical updates, makes no sense. Obviously any updates would be to inform of the latest developments not what happened months or years ago.
1) "Selective TocH Lamp Syndrome" ?.
2) I didn't say that you did.
Historic= past; after the event.
Contemporaneous=occurring in the same period of time; concurrent.
Monthly = every calendar month.
Join up the dots.
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1) "Selective TocH Lamp Syndrome" ?.
2) I didn't say that you did.
Historic= past; after the event.
Contemporaneous=occurring in the same period of time; concurrent.
Monthly = every calendar month.
Join up the dots.
Define the periods of time you are referring to then. Does “yesterday” count as historic or contemporaneous? What about “last week”? Historic or contemporaneous?
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www.findmadeleine.com/
Account suspended.
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www.findmadeleine.com/
Account suspended.
Run out of pennies to pay the renewal fee ?
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www.findmadeleine.com/
Account suspended.
Is that the official find Madeleine website? Yes it seems to be.
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Run out of pennies to pay the renewal fee ?
Targeted by trolls?
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Targeted by trolls?
Explain please ?
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Explain please ?
It speaks for itself?
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Targeted by trolls?
Sun newspaper?
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Sun newspaper?
Sun newspaper what?
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It speaks for itself?
No it doesn’t.
Do you mean some sort of hacking?
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No it doesn’t.
Do you mean some sort of hacking?
We'd have heard. They've not exactly shy when it comes to playing the victim.
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We'd have heard. They've not exactly shy when it comes to playing the victim.
We would indeed jassi so perhaps VS will elucidate?
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We would indeed jassi so perhaps VS will elucidate?
It was a suggestion same as Jassi made a suggestion, you didn’t ask Jassi to elucidate on hers that the money had run out, why not?
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It was a suggestion same as Jassi made a suggestion, you didn’t ask Jassi to elucidate on hers that the money had run out, why not?
It was obvious what jassi meant. Your post was less clear so I asked you to elucidate. Please don’t feel I’m picking on you.
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It was obvious what jassi meant. Your post was less clear so I asked you to elucidate. Please don’t feel I’m picking on you.
I do actually.
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I do actually.
Then it wasn’t meant. I apologise. Now can you please expand on your post ?
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Then it wasn’t meant. I apologise. Now can you please expand on your post ?
No.
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No.
I really don’t blame you. Perhaps you should have thought through the logistics of trolls being responsible for the suspension of the OFM website before you posted your opinion ?
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I really don’t blame you. Perhaps you should have thought through the logistics of trolls being responsible for the suspension of the OFM website before you posted your opinion ?
To be honest, it wasn’t a massively serious suggestion in the first place but thanks for your valiant attempt to put me down - again.
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To be honest, it wasn’t a massively serious suggestion in the first place but thanks for your valiant attempt to put me down - again.
Yet again no attempt at a put down but well done for your valiant, but failed, attempt to gloss over your ridiculous suggestion.
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Yet again no attempt at a put down but well done for your valiant, but failed, attempt to gloss over your ridiculous suggestion.
And that wasn’t a put down either I suppose.
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And that wasn’t a put down either I suppose.
No that was called stating a fact.
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No that was called stating a fact.
OK, thanks, it was kind of you.
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OK, thanks, it was kind of you.
It’s a weakness of mine.
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Anyway, not sure what the apparent suspension of the Find Madeleine site has got to do with "No Interview This Anniversary" but let's hope it's back up and running soon, as soon as they've put more money in the meter or booted off the hacker trolls.
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Anyway, not sure what the apparent suspension of the Find Madeleine site has got to do with "No Interview This Anniversary" but let's hope it's back up and running soon, as soon as they've put more money in the meter or booted off the hacker trolls.
I agree the suspension has nothing to do with the OP.
So what do we know? There is enough money still in the fund according to the accounts in January to pay for the official website. It would appear that the website isn’t down due to maintenance. There is now no facility for supporters to donate to the fund. There is no announcement of the closure of the website on the OFM Facebook page. Indeed the link is still displayed prominently.
So what is going on ?
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I agree the suspension has nothing to do with the OP.
So what do we know? There is enough money still in the fund according to the accounts in January to pay for the official website. It would appear that the website isn’t down due to maintenance. There is now no facility for supporters to donate to the fund. There is no announcement of the closure of the website on the OFM Facebook page. Indeed the link is still displayed prominently.
So what is going on ?
Might have been hacked by trolls? Just a possibility to consider, not saying it has.
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Anyway, not sure what the apparent suspension of the Find Madeleine site has got to do with "No Interview This Anniversary" but let's hope it's back up and running soon, as soon as they've put more money in the meter or booted off the hacker trolls.
Cite Please. who has hacked the site?
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Like I said, it will be one of the two reasons cited by myself and Jassi
https://portal.my-tss.com/knowledgebase/184/Why-is-my-website-suspended.html
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Website is back up & running. No trolls have been reported missing or deceased.
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I agree the suspension has nothing to do with the OP.
So what do we know? There is enough money still in the fund according to the accounts in January to pay for the official website. It would appear that the website isn’t down due to maintenance. There is now no facility for supporters to donate to the fund. There is no announcement of the closure of the website on the OFM Facebook page. Indeed the link is still displayed prominently.
So what is going on ?
Just in case you’d been fretting overnight about the inability of supporters to donate to the fund, I am posting a link below for anyone who wants to do so.
http://findmadeleine.com/support/index.html
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Just in case you’d been fretting overnight about the inability of supporters to donate to the fund, I am posting a link below for anyone who wants to do so.
http://findmadeleine.com/support/index.html
I just didn’t want those poor old grannies wondering where they now donate the few pennies they’ve saved by not putting the fire on or the schoolchildren where they now donate their tuck money.
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I just didn’t want those poor old grannies wondering where they now donate the few pennies they’ve saved by not putting the fire on or the schoolchildren where they now donate their tuck money.
Aww, there’s that renowned Faithlilly kindness shining through again.
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For any old grannies reading this, now the weather’s warmer you don’t need to have your fire switched on so please instead send your last few pennies to the McCanns. Also, any school children reading this, have you heard of childhood obesity? Don’t spend money on tuck, it’s bad for you and will make you fat. Instead, send it to the McCanns, you know it makes sense!
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Aww, there’s that renowned Faithlilly kindness shining through again.
I’m my own worst enemy I know. Too compassionate for my own good 8(0(*
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For any old grannies reading this, now the weather’s warmer you don’t need to have your fire switched on so please instead send your last few pennies to the McCanns. Also, any school children reading this, have you heard of childhood obesity? Don’t spend money on tuck, it’s bad for you and will make you fat. Instead, send it to the McCanns, you know it makes sense!
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For any old grannies reading this, now the weather’s warmer you don’t need to have your fire switched on so please instead send your last few pennies to the McCanns. Also, any school children reading this, have you heard of childhood obesity? Don’t spend money on tuck, it’s bad for you and will make you fat. Instead, send it to the McCanns, you know it makes sense!
8**8:/:
You have just got yourself a job my son... Salesman of the year for the McCann Company. 8(>(( ?>)()<
I can see Eleanor digging into her heating fund right as we read this...
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Does this thread have a topic any longer? May we make the attempt to return to it ... thank you.
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I have brought this back on thread twice only to have them swiped and none of the content was libellous ...
anyway, the McCanns could npt bring themselves to tell their adorning public that SY told them NOT to talk to the media- incase... well I don't know, their human rights are being violated IMO. ALL they want to do is find their daughter and ask the public to keep looking...
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https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/6156218/madeline-mccann-parents-kate-gerry-warned-not-talk-11th-anniversary-disappearance/
Odd story in so many ways.
Is it really believable that if asked not to the presenters of Loose Women would ask questions of the parents that they know may jeopardise an ongoing investigation?
The McCanns, if asked, could simply say that they cannot discuss the investigation, as they have before. How could that possibly jeopardise any ongoing enquiries?
As I said an odd article on so many levels.
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Was there an interview this anniversary?
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Was there an interview this anniversary?
No, Clarence Mitchell explained that SY told the McCanns not to talk to the media. ^*&& *%87
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No, Clarence Mitchell explained that SY told the McCanns not to talk to the media. ^*&& *%87
That is not answering my question. SY could ask them not to have an interview and it could be explained by Clarence but the McCanns have an interview regardless.
So from what I have seen so far is that the McCanns had that prayer meeting and Kate read out a poem. So in a little way they were not completely silenced.
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Has anyone looked into the poetical meaning of the poem read by Kate?
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Has anyone looked into the poetical meaning of the poem read by Kate?
See quotes attributed to John Paul Richter, Bob Dylan and Humpty Dumpty.
1 “My good friend,” said he, “when I wrote that passage, God and I knew what it meant. It is possible that God knows it still; but as for me, I have totally forgotten.”
2 "Make it mean what you want I was just looking for a word to rhyme with coat".
3 "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
To round it off I commend "A Danish Soap" by Peter Filichia.
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Was there an interview this anniversary?
On the tenth anniversary an interview was given.
In my opinion there is no proof of an interview marking the event annually and no cite has been provided to confirm such a thing.
There is an annual service to remember Madeleine.
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See quotes attributed to John Paul Richter, Bob Dylan and Humpty Dumpty.
1 “My good friend,” said he, “when I wrote that passage, God and I knew what it meant. It is possible that God knows it still; but as for me, I have totally forgotten.”
2 "Make it mean what you want I was just looking for a word to rhyme with coat".
3 "When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
To round it off I commend "A Danish Soap" by Peter Filichia.
I'm sure Kate Healy has more depth than that.
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Has anyone looked into the poetical meaning of the poem read by Kate?
Who wrote it?
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I'm sure Kate Healy has more depth than that.
Quite possibly, however "A Danish Soap" is about The Bard [Bill Wagstaff to the unititiated] and Bob Dylan has a Nobel Prize for literature.............faites vos jeux.
I'll leave you to Google Richter and Carroll.
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Who wrote it?
Was it her poem?
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Was it her poem?
I didn't think so. Somebody will know.
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I didn't think so. Somebody will know.
The paper quoted a line and I Googled it and it didn't get any results so I assumed it was a new poem specially written for the occasion. That was a couple of weeks ago, things might have changed.
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The paper quoted a line and I Googled it and it didn't get any results so I assumed it was a new poem specially written for the occasion. That was a couple of weeks ago, things might have changed.
Found it and no she didn't write it.
https://clarepollard.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/lighting-a-candle/
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Found it and no she didn't write it.
https://clarepollard.wordpress.com/2012/12/13/lighting-a-candle/
I will never growl at you again for finding that poem for me. Thanking you from the bottom of my heart.
I see that article was written about 6 years ago "Lighting a Candle
December 13, 2012 by poetclare"
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That is not answering my question. SY could ask them not to have an interview and it could be explained by Clarence but the McCanns have an interview regardless.
So from what I have seen so far is that the McCanns had that prayer meeting and Kate read out a poem. So in a little way they were not completely silenced.
A prayer meeting is quite different from a media interview. Prayer meetings are good for the soul and PR, if you have a fairy in sky to believe in. It is good that GOD forgives sinners when they ask for forgiveness.
It is worth noting that Kate forgave her daughters 'abductor' such humility, but then refused to forgive Sr Amaral
tsk funny ole thing that forgiveness malarky
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A prayer meeting is quite different from a media interview. Prayer meetings are good for the soul and PR, if you have a fairy in sky to believe in. It is good that GOD forgives sinners when they ask for forgiveness.
It is worth noting that Kate forgave her daughters 'abductor' such humility, but then refused to forgive Sr Amaral
tsk funny ole thing that forgiveness malarky
Cite for Kate forgiving her daughter’s abductor?
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' I can forgive Maddie's abductor': Six years on Kate McCann says she does not want to be eaten up by 'hatred and bitterness'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310279/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-says-forgive-Maddies-abductor.html
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310279/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-says-forgive-Maddies-abductor.html
So she didn’t actually say “I forgive the abductor” and acknowledged that without an abductor showing remorse it would be harder to forgive.
She told the Daily Telegraph: ‘I think I could probably forgive Madeleine’s abductor whatever the circumstances. I don’t know whether it’s simply because I’m stronger or because there’s no benefit in not forgiving someone.
'I can’t change anything and I don’t want to be eaten up by hatred and bitterness.
'And maybe there is an element of pity - what kind of person could do something like this? Of course, forgiveness will always be easier if there is remorse.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310279/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-says-forgive-Maddies-abductor.html#ixzz5Fvpx4pnn
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook
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So she didn’t actually say “I forgive the abductor” and acknowledged that without an abductor showing remorse it would be harder to forgive.
She told the Daily Telegraph: ‘I think I could probably forgive Madeleine’s abductor whatever the circumstances. I don’t know whether it’s simply because I’m stronger or because there’s no benefit in not forgiving someone.
'I can’t change anything and I don’t want to be eaten up by hatred and bitterness.
'And maybe there is an element of pity - what kind of person could do something like this? Of course, forgiveness will always be easier if there is remorse.’
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2310279/Madeleine-McCanns-mother-Kate-says-forgive-Maddies-abductor.html#ixzz5Fvpx4pnn
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‘ No matter what the circumstances ‘ !! So if the abductor has abducted her daughter for their own sadistic pleasure and has abused her every day during her captivity she could ‘ probably’ forgive them. Really ?
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‘ No matter what the circumstances ‘ !! So if the abductor has abducted her daughter for their own sadistic pleasure and has abused her every day during her captivity she could ‘ probably’ forgive them. Really ?
Who knows what you may be able to do until you’re actually in that situation? Stephen Lawrence’s father has forgiven the b......s who knifed his son to death in a racially motivated unprovoked attack. Who knows, Kate may also be able to forgive Amaral too, in time.
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Who knows what you may be able to do until you’re actually in that situation? Stephen Lawrence’s father has forgiven the b......s who knifed his son to death in a racially motivated unprovoked attack. Who knows, Kate may also be able to forgive Amaral too, in time.
Nothing to forgive him for - should be the other way round imo
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Nothing to forgive him for - should be the other way round imo
Topic, please.
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Nothing to forgive him for - should be the other way round imo
Why doesn't he do that then?
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Who knows what you may be able to do until you’re actually in that situation? Stephen Lawrence’s father has forgiven the b......s who knifed his son to death in a racially motivated unprovoked attack. Who knows, Kate may also be able to forgive Amaral too, in time.
Stephen Lawrence’s father forgave his killers long, long after Stephen’s murder, not months after while his child was still missing and possibly being hurt by the subject of his forgiveness.
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Stephen Lawrence’s father forgave his killers long, long after Stephen’s murder, not months after while his child was still missing and possibly being hurt by the subject of his forgiveness.
Surely it is the act of forgiving those that have hurt your child that is relevant to my point, not the date on which you feel able to forgive? In any case, as I said before Kate only speculated that she would be able to forgive, and maybe (if you think about it) she only said it in the hope that whoever had Madeleine would have his conscience pricked by her words and give her up.
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Why doesn't he do that then?
Seems like he has - he keeps a dignified silence.
Would have been a good start - if they did had done that at the anniversary.
After all she could forgive the abductor it seems.
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“Forgiveness is healing. It leads you towards greater health and wholeness. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut to learning how to forgive. Finding a way to plant the seed of intention for forgiveness allows it to germinate in its own time, in its own way. When you are gentle, loving and patient toward yourself through the process, the intention of forgiveness will find a way to flower on its own”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sura-flow/forgiveness_b_2317996.html
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“Forgiveness is healing. It leads you towards greater health and wholeness. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut to learning how to forgive. Finding a way to plant the seed of intention for forgiveness allows it to germinate in its own time, in its own way. When you are gentle, loving and patient toward yourself through the process, the intention of forgiveness will find a way to flower on its own”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sura-flow/forgiveness_b_2317996.html
Hogwash!
You quote Stephen Lawrence's dad why not the Moors slaughtered childrens killers?.
The opportunity was there to offer forgiveness to all she spewed her hatred towards on this anniversary also to thank the the OG AND the PJ for continuing their search.
Kate wrote in her book her imagined state of her daughters genitalia (As a GP she would be more than most aware or the evidence of sexual abuse to a child). You are saying in the early stages of her being missing a paedophile gang would be even remotely interested in her forgiveness? seriously? AND then slag off the police and community who searched for her daughter and wanted the coordinator to feel fear? WTF...
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Hogwash!
You quote Stephen Lawrence's dad why not the Moors slaughtered childrens killers?.
The opportunity was there to offer forgiveness to all she spewed her hatred towards on this anniversary also to thank the the OG AND the PJ for continuing their search.
Kate wrote in her book her imagined state of her daughters genitalia (As a GP she would be more than most aware or the evidence of sexual abuse to a child). You are saying in the early stages of her being missing a paedophile gang would be even remotely interested in her forgiveness? seriously? AND then slag off the police and community who searched for her daughter and wanted the coordinator to feel fear? WTF...
Perhaps you could tell me what part of the quote I referenced is "hogwash", in your opinion? Furthermore, there are many examples of parents forgiving the rapists and killers of their children on the net if you care to look, I suppose they're all talking hogwash too, in your opinion? Finally, this is the second time in recent days you have referenced Kate's passage in her book about her daughter's genatalia - you seem quite determined to introduce this into the discussion wherever possible - is there any need for this, if so what?
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“Forgiveness is healing. It leads you towards greater health and wholeness. Unfortunately, there is no shortcut to learning how to forgive. Finding a way to plant the seed of intention for forgiveness allows it to germinate in its own time, in its own way. When you are gentle, loving and patient toward yourself through the process, the intention of forgiveness will find a way to flower on its own”
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/sura-flow/forgiveness_b_2317996.html
So forgiveness for so called abductor who robbed them of maddie of her life growing up etc etc - there life etc etc.
But no forgiveness for G A
Seems he did more to them than abductor - or reputation imo
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So forgiveness for so called abductor who robbed them of maddie of her life growing up etc etc - there life etc etc.
But no forgiveness for G A
Seems he did more to them than abductor - or reputation imo
We don't know whether or not the McCanns have forgiven Amaral - they haven't said anything on the subject of forgiveness a propos that particular individual in recent years s far as I'm aware.
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We don't know whether or not the McCanns have forgiven Amaral - they haven't said anything on the subject of forgiveness a propos that particular individual in recent years s far as I'm aware.
No they have done a lot more - they don't have to say anything ...its there actions.
Any interview they would give anniversary or other - don't think forgiveness would be top of the list or even on the page.
Sseems G A has done more to them than abductor has. imo
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Perhaps you could tell me what part of the quote I referenced is "hogwash", in your opinion? Furthermore, there are many examples of parents forgiving the rapists and killers of their children on the net if you care to look, I suppose they're all talking hogwash too, in your opinion? Finally, this is the second time in recent days you have referenced Kate's passage in her book about her daughter's genatalia - you seem quite determined to introduce this into the discussion wherever possible - is there any need for this, if so what?
If they had forgiven Sr Amaral, why not use this anniversary to tell their adoring fan base or to tell Amaral they were wrong?
It is hogwash because you are either a forgiving person or you are not!...
Re Kate's book and quote. I find it very interesting that she should describe MBMs suspected injury in such detail. Is there a literary requirement for this?
In the context of her being all forgiving of an abductor who is capable of hurting her daughter in this way beggars belief actually.
They cannot remove themselves from an abductor story- this is their claim, not mine, and they claim she was abducted by a suspected paedophile gang- in light of this, I find their behaviour regarding this whole business to be very strange indeed.
Can you tell me why I shouldn't quote parts of Kates book which I find nauseating? (I never read it- it was my friend in child protection who brought it up one morning)or should I just quote the nice bits? Or how about
"KM writes about one of her earlier encounters, when Luis Neves seemed quite compliant, that, “My frustration with their lack of progress, combined with what they were actually telling us about him, whipped up a storm of fury in me that was completely out of character. It seems to me now as if for several months I was possessed by some demonic alien that infiltrated my thoughts and filled me with anger and hatred. I needed a face on which to pin all this rage, someone to blame.”
http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.com.tr/2018/05/that-bus-doesnt-stop-no-more.html?m=1
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If they had forgiven Sr Amaral, why not use this anniversary to tell their adoring fan base or to tell Amaral they were wrong?
It is hogwash because you are either a forgiving person or you are not!...
Re Kate's book and quote. I find it very interesting that she should describe MBMs suspected injury in such detail. Is there a literary requirement for this?
In the context of her being all forgiving of an abductor who is capable of hurting her daughter in this way beggars belief actually.
They cannot remove themselves from an abductor story- this is their claim, not mine, and they claim she was abducted by a suspected paedophile gang- in light of this, I find their behaviour regarding this whole business to be very strange indeed.
Can you tell me why I shouldn't quote parts of Kates book which I find nauseating? (I never read it- it was my friend in child protection who brought it up one morning)or should I just quote the nice bits? Or how about
"KM writes about one of her earlier encounters, when Luis Neves seemed quite compliant, that, “My frustration with their lack of progress, combined with what they were actually telling us about him, whipped up a storm of fury in me that was completely out of character. It seems to me now as if for several months I was possessed by some demonic alien that infiltrated my thoughts and filled me with anger and hatred. I needed a face on which to pin all this rage, someone to blame.”
http://blacksmithbureau.blogspot.com.tr/2018/05/that-bus-doesnt-stop-no-more.html?m=1
It seems that your extreme antipathy towards the McCanns and Kate in particular makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you on the subject so I shall not bother in future, simply to say that your opinion that "you are either a forgiving person or you're not" is in my opinion hopelessly simplistic and black and white. I shall not waste my time with any further discourse with you, please forgive me.
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Seems like he has - he keeps a dignified silence.
Would have been a good start - if they did had done that at the anniversary.
After all she could forgive the abductor it seems.
Not that anyone seems to bother any more about thread topics ... but worth bearing in mind that there is no annual interview.
In my opinion writing a book accusing innocent people of crimes does not come into the category of "dignified silence" and not content with that making a documentary film and becoming a television pundit whose expert subject was the McCann case to reinforce that, can in my opinion be referred to as a lot of things without featuring dignity of any description.
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Not that anyone seems to bother any more about thread topics ... but worth bearing in mind that there is no annual interview.
In my opinion writing a book accusing innocent people of crimes does not come into the category of "dignified silence" and not content with that making a documentary film and becoming a television pundit whose expert subject was the McCann case to reinforce that, can in my opinion be referred to as a lot of things without featuring dignity of any description.
NO annual interview as they probably realise it is now a waste of time - no one listens to them imo
You don't know he wrote a book about innocent people, do you...as in you don't know what the out come is going to be.
Seems more important people than you - thought he was in the right to do so.
You can even buy it on amazon in english.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Truth-Lie-Gon%C3%A7alo-Amaral-Madeleine/dp/B075QGMFLH
Simply and movingly written by the senior detective whose job it was to find out what happened to madeleine. Gradually, certain inconsistencies
dawn on him, and many tin tacks seem to be thrown under his wheels. He tries to keep all possibilities open and not close off any theories without good reason to do so.
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Not that anyone seems to bother any more about thread topics ... but worth bearing in mind that there is no annual interview.
In my opinion writing a book accusing innocent people of crimes does not come into the category of "dignified silence" and not content with that making a documentary film and becoming a television pundit whose expert subject was the McCann case to reinforce that, can in my opinion be referred to as a lot of things without featuring dignity of any description.
Are we talking Amaral here ?
If so please explain how you have come to the conclusion that the McCanns are innocent.
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Not that anyone seems to bother any more about thread topics ... but worth bearing in mind that there is no annual interview.
2008 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html)
2009 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture)
2010 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm (http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm)
2011 https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM (https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM)
2012 https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM (https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM)
2013 https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E (https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E)
2014 https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc (https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc)
2015 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html)
2016 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance)
2017 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286)
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2008 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html)
2009 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture)
2010 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm (http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm)
2011 https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM (https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM)
2012 https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM (https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM)
2013 https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E (https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E)
2014 https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc (https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc)
2015 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html)
2016 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance)
2017 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286)
Wasn't the decision not to give an interview this anniversary somehow attributed to Scotland Yard? In my experience the police will only involve themselves in such matters if it could be seen to have a detrimental effect on an active enquiry. SY for their part are not giving anything away which sort of implies one of two possibilities. They are either on the crest of a mammoth breakthrough in the case or are lost in a mist of confusion. Your choice?
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Wasn't the decision not to give an interview this anniversary somehow attributed to Scotland Yard? In my experience the police will only involve themselves in such matters if it could be seen to have a detrimental effect on an active enquiry. SY for their part are not giving anything away which sort of implies one of two possibilities. They are either on the crest of a mammoth breakthrough in the case or are lost in a mist of confusion. Your choice?
I'm hoping for the former.
In my opinion the Sun story detailing the unsubstantiated story of a police 'warning' used precisely the logic you detail to sell a few more copies safe in the knowledge it would be more bother than it was worth to challenge it since in essence the truth of the matter is that the McCanns must always be on their guard when speaking of Madeleine's case anyway.
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I'm hoping for the former.
In my opinion the Sun story detailing the unsubstantiated story of a police 'warning' used precisely the logic you detail to sell a few more copies safe in the knowledge it would be more bother than it was worth to challenge it since in essence the truth of the matter is that the McCanns must always be on their guard when speaking of Madeleine's case anyway.
Ah so that is why you are trying to debunk the annual anniversary interview. If you can prove there was no annual interview then you don’t have to find a reason for there not being one this year.
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2008 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html)
2009 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture (https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture)
2010 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm (http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm)
2011 https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM (https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM)
2012 https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM (https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM)
2013 https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E (https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E)
2014 https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc (https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc)
2015 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html)
2016 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance (https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance)
2017 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286 (https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286)
Thank you for your effort, Slarti, I first requested a cite from Faith on the 5th of May, so it has been a long time coming, and at least you have followed forum protocol which was conscientious considering you never made the claim in the first instance.
I wasn't going to bother responding because in my opinion John's post covered it well enough, but I have been challenged elsewhere and feel needs must for the sake of integrity.
Bearing in mind that my request regarding the annual interview was for the period from the reopening of Madeleine's case in 2013 to the present day.
Please note my opinion on your post as follows ...
2008 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html
Not Applicable: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2009 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2010 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2011 https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2012 https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
I've watched none of these because it was outwith my request for a cite,
2013 https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E
NA: the video was made in 2011 on the day of the book launch of MADELEINE which took place in 2011 prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2014 https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc
7th anniversary interview
2015 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html
In a statement released today, Madeleine’s parents said: “Whilst most days, weeks and months are fairly similar – Madeleine is missed every day – this time of year cuts deep as it's a harsh reminder of time having passed and precious years with Madeleine lost. Therefore NA
2016 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance
THE devastated parents of missing Madeleine McCann have vowed "there will always be hope" as they release a statement to mark the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance. Therefore NA
2017 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286
NA: excluded from the request
"Faith. While we are on the subject of cites, have you found one yet which confirms annual interviews each anniversary with the exception of the tenth?
I have requested one two or three times, you must have missed them."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg460675#msg460675
In 2018 ... another statement ...
Official Find Madeleine Campaign
5 hrs ·
May 2018 – 11th Anniversary of Madeleine’s Abduction
It gets harder to know what to say or write as each anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction approaches then passes. Life is full and busy which helps but Madeleine is still missing and she is still dearly missed. Information continues to come in (incredible as it may seem after so long, although we are grateful for that) and work goes on. Perseverance and hope remain.
Thank you to everyone who continues to support us and wish us, especially Madeleine, well. After eleven years such warmth and persisting solidarity is truly remarkable, and at the same time a real tonic and boost to our spirit. We couldn’t bear for Madeleine to be forgotten or to become just a ‘story’. She is a real person and still our ‘little girl’ and as we always have, we will endeavour to do whatever it takes to find her. Thank you so much for staying with us on this mission.
Kate and Gerry
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-post-heartfelt-12470455
Tracey's report in the Mirror.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459561#msg459561
So in my opinion that is categorical in that there was no annual interview covering the time period I requested the cite for. I couldn't find one despite my best efforts and it seems neither did you.
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It happens - you request a cite and then have to find it yourself!
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It seems that your extreme antipathy towards the McCanns and Kate in particular makes it impossible to have a reasonable discussion with you on the subject so I shall not bother in future, simply to say that your opinion that "you are either a forgiving person or you're not" is in my opinion hopelessly simplistic and black and white. I shall not waste my time with any further discourse with you, please forgive me.
Obviously hit a never there... I quoted a part of Kates book in her own words, why not debate the subject matter in the post, is it because you can't?
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Are we talking Amaral here ?
If so please explain how you have come to the conclusion that the McCanns are innocent.
Yeah they have not been charged or found innocent by a court of law
Wasn't the decision not to give an interview this anniversary somehow attributed to Scotland Yard? In my experience the police will only involve themselves in such matters if it could be seen to have a detrimental effect on an active enquiry. SY for their part are not giving anything away which sort of implies one of two possibilities. They are either on the crest of a mammoth breakthrough in the case or are lost in a mist of confusion. Your choice?
Or it is just another story...The McCanns can't give an interview in case they let slip... what? naming people who are about to be arrested? tsk tsk
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Yeah they have not been charged or found innocent by a court of law
Or it is just another story...The McCanns can't give an interview in case they let slip... what? naming people who are about to be arrested? tsk tsk
Quite possible, when you think about it, considering the effort gone into finding a solution.
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Thank you for your effort, Slarti, I first requested a cite from Faith on the 5th of May, so it has been a long time coming, and at least you have followed forum protocol which was conscientious considering you never made the claim in the first instance.
I wasn't going to bother responding because in my opinion John's post covered it well enough, but I have been challenged elsewhere and feel needs must for the sake of integrity.
Bearing in mind that my request regarding the annual interview was for the period from the reopening of Madeleine's case in 2013 to the present day.
Please note my opinion on your post as follows ...
2008 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/1918275/Gerry-and-Kate-McCann-Full-interview-transcript.html
Not Applicable: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2009 https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/may/01/madeleine-mccann-picture
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2010 http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/36april10/BBC_30_04_10.htm
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2011 https://youtu.be/CRw5wMx0QcM
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2012 https://youtu.be/divprR1XZKM
NA: prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
I've watched none of these because it was outwith my request for a cite,
2013 https://youtu.be/v223wFIwq0E
NA: the video was made in 2011 on the day of the book launch of MADEEINE which took place in 2011 prior to Madeleine’s case being reopened
2014 https://youtu.be/gU10-0zclnc
7th anniversary interview
2015 https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/madeleine-mccann-parents-speak-of-continuing-heartbreak-as-eighth-anniversary-approaches-10220088.html
In a statement released today, Madeleine’s parents said: “Whilst most days, weeks and months are fairly similar – Madeleine is missed every day – this time of year cuts deep as it's a harsh reminder of time having passed and precious years with Madeleine lost. Therefore NA
2016 https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/666748/McCann-s-say-there-s-always-hope-new-Maddie-statement-on-9th-anniversary-disappearance
THE devastated parents of missing Madeleine McCann have vowed "there will always be hope" as they release a statement to mark the anniversary of their daughter's disappearance. Therefore NA
2017 https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-watch-full-interview-10326286
NA: excluded from the request
"Faith. While we are on the subject of cites, have you found one yet which confirms annual interviews each anniversary with the exception of the tenth?
I have requested one two or three times, you must have missed them."
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg460675#msg460675
In 2018 ... another statement ...
Official Find Madeleine Campaign
5 hrs ·
May 2018 – 11th Anniversary of Madeleine’s Abduction
It gets harder to know what to say or write as each anniversary of Madeleine’s abduction approaches then passes. Life is full and busy which helps but Madeleine is still missing and she is still dearly missed. Information continues to come in (incredible as it may seem after so long, although we are grateful for that) and work goes on. Perseverance and hope remain.
Thank you to everyone who continues to support us and wish us, especially Madeleine, well. After eleven years such warmth and persisting solidarity is truly remarkable, and at the same time a real tonic and boost to our spirit. We couldn’t bear for Madeleine to be forgotten or to become just a ‘story’. She is a real person and still our ‘little girl’ and as we always have, we will endeavour to do whatever it takes to find her. Thank you so much for staying with us on this mission.
Kate and Gerry
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https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccanns-parents-post-heartfelt-12470455
Tracey's report in the Mirror.
http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459561#msg459561
So in my opinion that is categorical in that there was no annual interview covering the time period I requested the cite for. I couldn't find one despite my best efforts and it seems neither did you.
Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but I was busy. Thank you for Slarti and your hard work.
Ironically what you have managed to prove is this year really is a break from the norm. While the parents have not given a regular annual interview since the reopening of the case by OG neither have they felt the need to give a reason for that. What changed this year ?
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Sorry for not getting back to you sooner but I was busy having a life. Thank you for Slarti and your hard work.
Ironically what you have managed to prove is this year really is a break from the norm. While the parents have not given a regular annual interview since the reopening of the case by OG neither have they felt the need to give a reason for that. What changed this year ?
A tabloid doing what tabloids sometimes do best? Kate and Gerry issued a statement ... that can be trusted to have emanated from them. Unattributed quotes are not quite the same.
What Slarti and I have proved is that there was one "break from the norm" which was on the seventh anniversary.
You said "Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ?" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459343#msg459343
In my opinion that statement which you cannot substantiate is wrong and your post suggests to me that you do not have the grace to accept that and move on from there.
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A tabloid doing what tabloids sometimes do best? Kate and Gerry issued a statement ... that can be trusted to have emanated from them. Unattributed quotes are not quite the same.
What Slarti and I have proved is that there was one "break from the norm" which was on the seventh anniversary.
You said "Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ?" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459343#msg459343
In my opinion that statement which you cannot substantiate is wrong and your post suggests to me that you do not have the grace to accept that and move on from there.
2013 Interview...
http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-01/mccanns-admit-struggle-allowing-twins-normal-childhood/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-01/mccanns-admit-struggle-allowing-twins-normal-childhood/)
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A tabloid doing what tabloids sometimes do best? Kate and Gerry issued a statement ... that can be trusted to have emanated from them. Unattributed quotes are not quite the same.
What Slarti and I have proved is that there was one "break from the norm" which was on the seventh anniversary.
You said "Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ?" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459343#msg459343
In my opinion that statement which you cannot substantiate is wrong and your post suggests to me that you do not have the grace to accept that and move on from there.
Puts me in mind of The Water Babies and wotzerface...... *%87 got it..... Mrs Do As You Would Be Done By 8(>((
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2013 Interview...
http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-01/mccanns-admit-struggle-allowing-twins-normal-childhood/ (http://www.itv.com/news/2013-05-01/mccanns-admit-struggle-allowing-twins-normal-childhood/)
Prior to the re-opening of Madeleine's case at the end of 2013 though.
Snip
2013
17 May: UK detectives reviewing the case say they have identified "a number of persons of interest".
4 July: The Metropolitan Police says it has new evidence and has opened a formal investigation. It says it is investigating 38 "persons of interest".
14 October: A BBC Crimewatch appeal features e-fit images of a man seen carrying a blond-haired child of three or four, possibly wearing pyjamas, in Praia da Luz at about the time Madeleine went missing. It also shows a detailed reconstruction of events on the night she disappeared.
24 October: Portuguese police reopen their inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance, citing "new lines of inquiry". The Scotland Yard inquiry will run alongside the Portuguese investigation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13386785
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Prior to the re-opening of Madeleine's case at the end of 2013 though.
Snip
2013
17 May: UK detectives reviewing the case say they have identified "a number of persons of interest".
4 July: The Metropolitan Police says it has new evidence and has opened a formal investigation. It says it is investigating 38 "persons of interest".
14 October: A BBC Crimewatch appeal features e-fit images of a man seen carrying a blond-haired child of three or four, possibly wearing pyjamas, in Praia da Luz at about the time Madeleine went missing. It also shows a detailed reconstruction of events on the night she disappeared.
24 October: Portuguese police reopen their inquiry into Madeleine's disappearance, citing "new lines of inquiry". The Scotland Yard inquiry will run alongside the Portuguese investigation.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-13386785
I’m not sure what you are driving at, the question was about the annual interview for the anniversary?
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About 2016 Interview
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153080/kate-and-gerry-mccann-pull-out-of-lorraine-kelly-tv-interview-after-devastating-libel-case-defeat/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153080/kate-and-gerry-mccann-pull-out-of-lorraine-kelly-tv-interview-after-devastating-libel-case-defeat/)
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A tabloid doing what tabloids sometimes do best? Kate and Gerry issued a statement ... that can be trusted to have emanated from them. Unattributed quotes are not quite the same.
What Slarti and I have proved is that there was one "break from the norm" which was on the seventh anniversary.
You said "Every year since 2012 they have given an interview on the anniversary while the investigation trundled on. Every year they have said in that interview that they can't discuss any specific details about the investigation....why couldn't they simply say that this year ?" http://miscarriageofjustice.co/index.php?topic=9435.msg459343#msg459343
In my opinion that statement which you cannot substantiate is wrong and your post suggests to me that you do not have the grace to accept that and move on from there.
What has been proved is that the parents have never given an excuse for their decisions re publicity
around the anniversary...until this year.
As to it being a tabloid invention all I can say is ‘get you Mrs Tabloid Cut and Paste’.
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I’m not sure what you are driving at, the question was about the annual interview for the anniversary?
Exactly ... an assertion made by Faithlilly for which there is no foundation ... since the re-opening of Madeleine's case, there has been no annual interview ... as you have proved by the links you kindly provided.
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What has been proved is that the parents have never given an excuse for their decisions re publicity
around the anniversary...until this year.
As to it being a tabloid invention all I can say is ‘get you Mrs Tabloid Cut and Paste’.
Actually, it is my opinion that you have proved your disregard for forum protocol by not providing a cite in support of your assertion.
It has also been proved by slarti, who did take heed of forum rules by providing links, that your assertion was in error.
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Actually, it is my opinion that you have proved your disregard for forum protocol by not providing a cite in support of your assertion.
It has also been proved by slarti, who did take heed of forum rules by providing links, that your assertion was in error.
I hold my hands up. I was rather laissez-faire.
What is true however is that
a) for the last at least three years the parents have not directly thanked OG for the work they are doing.
b) this year The Sun newspaper has alleged the parents have given an excuse for not doing an interview.
c) we still have heard not one word from DCI Wall since she took over.
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I hold my hands up. I was rather laissez-faire.
What is true however is that
a) for the last at least three years the parents have not directly thanked OG for the work they are doing.
b) this year The Sun newspaper has alleged the parents have given an excuse for not doing an interview.
c) we still have heard not one word from DCI Wall since she took over.
One has to admire your blind faith in these little signs that you have woven together to create a narrative that suits your beliefs, but it is also a recipe for huge disappointment ahead, IMO.
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About 2016 Interview
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153080/kate-and-gerry-mccann-pull-out-of-lorraine-kelly-tv-interview-after-devastating-libel-case-defeat/ (https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153080/kate-and-gerry-mccann-pull-out-of-lorraine-kelly-tv-interview-after-devastating-libel-case-defeat/)
Did you read the correction printed regarding that link a very, very short time thereafter?
ITV deny Kate and Gerry McCann talkshow booking despite rumours they cancelled Lorraine Kelly gig
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153058/itv-deny-kate-and-gerry-mccann-talkshow-booking-despite-rumours-they-cancelled-lorraine-kelly-gig/
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Did you read the correction printed regarding that link a very, very short time thereafter?
ITV deny Kate and Gerry McCann talkshow booking despite rumours they cancelled Lorraine Kelly gig
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153058/itv-deny-kate-and-gerry-mccann-talkshow-booking-despite-rumours-they-cancelled-lorraine-kelly-gig/
My, my I’m proved wrong again. They did make an excuse for not doing an interview in 2016.
I suppose with the 10th anniversary and all an interview was unavoidable hence the easy one with Fiona Bruce.
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Did you read the correction printed regarding that link a very, very short time thereafter?
ITV deny Kate and Gerry McCann talkshow booking despite rumours they cancelled Lorraine Kelly gig
https://www.thesun.co.uk/archives/news/1153058/itv-deny-kate-and-gerry-mccann-talkshow-booking-despite-rumours-they-cancelled-lorraine-kelly-gig/
You wonder they didn’t sue.
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You wonder they didn’t sue.
Why would ITV sue The Sun? The error was immediately rectified ... I think any libel lawyer or judge would find that acceptable.
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One has to admire your blind faith in these little signs that you have woven together to create a narrative that suits your beliefs, but it is also a recipe for huge disappointment ahead, IMO.
as long as there is disappointment that is a start.