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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #120 on: May 10, 2018, 04:08:19 PM »
One has to think about what information the McCanns have that would jeopardise the investigation. none! WOULD BE THE ANSWER.

The SY will not reveal anything to the McCanns regarding the details of  any suspects or very sensitive information. There was no disclosure of any information to the McCanns which could jeopardise this case as this is against police investigations remit. And a lot of nonsense.

The reasons I am very sure are simple. They cannot name a suspect on live TV  for two reasons:
1. against that persons human rights- if this was to go to trial.
2. it would be libellous as they would need evidence and SY would never disclosed this to anyone except the PF office or a Judge for a warrant to search before an arrest.
3. The police have a duty to protect suspects, in case of retribution from family/friends

But we are lead to believe the SY/OG are their  bessy mates and tell them everything.. yeah, I know hahahahaha
IYO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #121 on: May 10, 2018, 04:13:51 PM »
IYO.


No, not in my opinion. You need to read up on police procedures, the law, the human rights act.  Or  do as I did , and got it from a high ranking police officer. :)
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Mr Gray

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #122 on: May 10, 2018, 04:34:25 PM »
One has to think about what information the McCanns have that would jeopardise the investigation. none! WOULD BE THE ANSWER.

The SY will not reveal anything to the McCanns regarding the details of  any suspects or very sensitive information. There was no disclosure of any information to the McCanns which could jeopardise this case as this is against police investigations remit. And a lot of nonsense.

The reasons I am very sure are simple. They cannot name a suspect on live TV  for two reasons:
1. against that persons human rights- if this was to go to trial.
2. it would be libellous as they would need evidence and SY would never disclosed this to anyone except the PF office or a Judge for a warrant to search before an arrest.
3. The police have a duty to protect suspects, in case of retribution from family/friends

But we are lead to believe the SY/OG are their  bessy mates and tell them everything.. yeah, I know hahahahaha

The McCann's were named as suspects on portugal TV... So that rather contradicts your own post

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #123 on: May 10, 2018, 04:37:05 PM »

No, not in my opinion. You need to read up on police procedures, the law, the human rights act.  Or  do as I did , and got it from a high ranking police officer. :)
"Under the Victims’ Code of Practice,
which came into effect in 2006, the police in
England and Wales have a statutory obligation
of “keeping victims updated on the progress
of ongoing investigations and their outcome,
including whether or not action is being taken
against any suspect.”3
 The Victims’ Code specifies
that police forces must tell the victim, at least
monthly, about progress in cases being actively
investigated up until the point of the closure of the
investigation. They must also tell victims about key
events in their case such as the arrest, bail, charge,
summons, remand or other disposal of the case".

https://www.victimsupport.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20dark%20-%20why%20victims%20of%20crime%20need%20to%20be%20kept%20informed.pdf

"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Miss Taken Identity

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #124 on: May 10, 2018, 05:06:38 PM »
The McCann's were named as suspects on portugal TV... So that rather contradicts your own post

The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.

 Made up story. UNLESS you have evidence.

"Under the Victims’ Code of Practice,
which came into effect in 2006, the police in
England and Wales have a statutory obligation
of “keeping victims updated on the progress
of ongoing investigations and their outcome,
including whether or not action is being taken
against any suspect.”3
 The Victims’ Code specifies
that police forces must tell the victim, at least
monthly, about progress in cases being actively
investigated up until the point of the closure of the
investigation. They must also tell victims about key
events in their case such as the arrest, bail, charge,
summons, remand or other disposal of the case".

https://www.victimsupport.org.uk/sites/default/files/Left%20in%20the%20dark%20-%20why%20victims%20of%20crime%20need%20to%20be%20kept%20informed.pdf



Oh stoopid me. I forgot the bit where the police go to the victims house and tell them we are going to arrest xyz  tomorrow at his/her home address which is 1234   lalalalala land.

But If I read this correctly it really does support what I said.  Victims are not given a blow by blow account of the investigation or are privvy to 'sensitive' information and are only told about suspects arrest AFTER the arrest has been made. The updates are usually 'we have new line of enquiry or a new lead to follow...along those lines. Someone tried the FOI and failed so the McCanns may or may not be seen as victims a a crime has not been established as yet.
'Never underestimate the power of stupid people'... George Carlin

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #125 on: May 10, 2018, 05:18:30 PM »
The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.

 Made up story. UNLESS you have evidence.

Oh stoopid me. I forgot the bit where the police go to the victims house and tell them we are going to arrest xyz  tomorrow at his/her home address which is 1234   lalalalala land.

But If I read this correctly it really does support what I said.  Victims are not given a blow by blow account of the investigation or are privvy to 'sensitive' information and are only told about suspects arrest AFTER the arrest has been made. The updates are usually 'we have new line of enquiry or a new lead to follow...along those lines. Someone tried the FOI and failed so the McCanns may or may not be seen as victims a a crime has not been established as yet.
It does not support what you said.  It clearly states that the police must update victims of serious crimes  on the progress of the investigation at least monthly.  Are you really having us believe that the McCanns know no more about the progress of Operation Grange than you or I?  Ridiculous assertion IMO.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #126 on: May 10, 2018, 05:23:54 PM »
The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.


the newspaper certainly did.....

Offline Mr Gray

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #127 on: May 10, 2018, 05:25:47 PM »
The TV reported they were suspects before the McCanns were told? what really? Oh I don't think so.

 Made up story. UNLESS you have evidence.

Oh stoopid me. I forgot the bit where the police go to the victims house and tell them we are going to arrest xyz  tomorrow at his/her home address which is 1234   lalalalala land.

But If I read this correctly it really does support what I said.  Victims are not given a blow by blow account of the investigation or are privvy to 'sensitive' information and are only told about suspects arrest AFTER the arrest has been made. The updates are usually 'we have new line of enquiry or a new lead to follow...along those lines. Someone tried the FOI and failed so the McCanns may or may not be seen as victims a a crime has not been established as yet.

as the mccanns have not been charged yes they are considered victims of a crime...officially

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #128 on: May 10, 2018, 06:06:14 PM »
It does not support what you said.  It clearly states that the police must update victims of serious crimes  on the progress of the investigation at least monthly.  Are you really having us believe that the McCanns know no more about the progress of Operation Grange than you or I?  Ridiculous assertion IMO.

In your opinion is that monthly historical or monthly contemporaneous?
Is it furthermore, in your opinion, a broad brush report or a "full dog and pony show"?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #129 on: May 10, 2018, 08:31:58 PM »
In your opinion is that monthly historical or monthly contemporaneous?
Is it furthermore, in your opinion, a broad brush report or a "full dog and pony show"?
It is what I stated and quoted directly from the Victims’ Code of Practice, my or your opinion of it is neither here nor there.  The police are duty bound to keep victims of serious crime updated on the progress of a live investigation on a monthly basis at least.  If the information being shared was nothing more than that which was already known to the general public, then why bother with a monthly update at all?  The police would just tell victims to read about any progress in the Sun.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #130 on: May 10, 2018, 09:10:26 PM »
It is what I stated and quoted directly from the Victims’ Code of Practice, my or your opinion of it is neither here nor there.  The police are duty bound to keep victims of serious crime updated on the progress of a live investigation on a monthly basis at least.  If the information being shared was nothing more than that which was already known to the general public, then why bother with a monthly update at all?  The police would just tell victims to read about any progress in the Sun.


The bit you cut and pasted does not state whether the progress update was historical monthly or contemporaneous monthly.
Which in your opinion is most likely in the absence of a definitive statement.
As the potential offence took place in Portugal where the Met have no jurisdiction how do you think monthly progress reports by the Met fit in with Portuguese judicial secrecy?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #131 on: May 10, 2018, 09:21:41 PM »

The bit you cut and pasted does not state whether the progress update was historical monthly or contemporaneous monthly.
Which in your opinion is most likely in the absence of a definitive statement.
As the potential offence took place in Portugal where the Met have no jurisdiction how do you think monthly progress reports by the Met fit in with Portuguese judicial secrecy?
Updated monthly about the progress of the live, current investigation- I don’t know what you’re driving at, it can’t be clearer.  As for Portuguese Judicial secrecy, does that law extend to the Met in the UK, and who specifically does judicial secrecy include and exclude?  As I recall, even before the McCanns were arguidos they were bound by judicial secrecy not to discuss the investigation which obviously meant they knew more about what was going on thsn the general public.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2018, 09:52:21 PM by Vertigo Swirl »
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #132 on: May 10, 2018, 10:03:32 PM »
Updated monthly about the progress of the live, current investigation- I don’t know what you’re driving at, it can’t be clearer.  As for Portuguese Judicial secrecy, does that law extend to the Met in the UK, and who specifically does judicial secrecy include and exclude?  As I recall, even before the McCanns were arguidos they were bound by judicial secrecy not to discuss the investigation which obviously meant they knew more about what was going on thsn the general public.

You do not understand the difference between historic and comtemporaneous then?
"Navigating the difference between weird but normal grief and truly suspicious behaviour is the key for any detective worth his salt.". ….Sarah Bailey

Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #133 on: May 10, 2018, 10:05:32 PM »
You do not understand the difference between historic and comtemporaneous then?
not in the context of your question, no.
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Mr Gray

Re: No Interview This Anniversary ?
« Reply #134 on: May 10, 2018, 10:10:30 PM »
You do not understand the difference between historic and comtemporaneous then?

if they are obliged to keep victims up to date then what relevance has historic information to do with anything