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Alleged Miscarriages of Justice => Kevin Craigie and the Joint enterprise murder of Kenneth Rothwell in 1990. => Topic started by: John on May 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM

Title: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: John on May 31, 2012, 01:01:37 PM
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Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Kevin Craigie on May 31, 2012, 05:14:29 PM
If you read the article "Carry on Campaigning" it's self explanatory. I have and never shall ask anyone for donations. I have obtained all my qualifications through sheer hard grafting. I could be out there earning a fortune BUT my personal philosophy is that we are in this world a brief period and if we can make it a better place then our brief visit has been worth it. Thats what I do, always have and always will.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: John on May 31, 2012, 05:18:51 PM
Precisely. If you read the article "Carry on Campaigning" it's self explanatory. I have and never shall ask anyone for donations. I have obtained all my qualifications through sheer hard grafting. I could be out there earning a fortune BUT my personal philosophy is that we are in this world a brief period and if we can make it a better place then our brief visit has been worth it. Thats what I do, always have and always will.

Oh good, I wasn't sure if you were back Kevin.

Some posters have been asking genuine questions today about your case Kevin and you have the floor now to set their minds at rest.

If I were you I would tell it as it is regarding JENGbA so that everyone knows exactly what is what.

Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Kevin Craigie on May 31, 2012, 05:21:31 PM
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=woodlands%20school%20dumfries%20and%20galloway%20abuse%20kevin%20craigie&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CEoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.thefreelibrary.com%2FTHIS%2BBOGUS%2BTEACHER%2BABUSED%2B12%2BCHILDREN%253B%2BSoldier%2Bwalked%2Binto%2Bjob%2Bwith...-a096601755&ei=RJrHT4exKIPN0QX4m-XADw&usg=AFQjCNFoG3tR6E9-doYpbw3NvdtxJXoZ3Q
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: John on May 31, 2012, 05:32:19 PM
Kevin obviously cannot or will not provide a reference for his trial which leads me to only one conclusion.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Citizen Kane on June 13, 2012, 11:09:35 PM
Called the Police 45 minutes ago, they should be here within 15 mins.

you shoulda ordered a pizza mate it would have got there quicker
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Citizen Kane on June 13, 2012, 11:13:03 PM
got a good name for your next article _ fairy tell tale kevin
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Stephanie Hall on June 14, 2012, 12:40:46 AM
If you read the article "Carry on Campaigning" it's self explanatory. I have and never shall ask anyone for donations. I have obtained all my qualifications through sheer hard grafting. I could be out there earning a fortune BUT my personal philosophy is that we are in this world a brief period and if we can make it a better place then our brief visit has been worth it. Thats what I do, always have and always will.

Kevin you have harrassed, stalked and slandered my good name and that of my INNOCENT husband for several years. Why don't you add that to your CV as well!
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Stephanie Hall on June 14, 2012, 12:46:51 AM
If you read the article "Carry on Campaigning" it's self explanatory. I have and never shall ask anyone for donations. I have obtained all my qualifications through sheer hard grafting. I could be out there earning a fortune BUT my personal philosophy is that we are in this world a brief period and if we can make it a better place then our brief visit has been worth it. Thats what I do, always have and always will.

Kevin you have harrassed, stalked and slandered my good name and that of my INNOCENT husband for several years. Why don't you add that to your CV as well!

You have gone out of your way to cause as much destruction and carnage as you possibly can. You have harrassed and fleeced vulnerable women and you go out of your way to belittle as many people as possible.

You need to take your troubled mind to the doctor first thing in the morning; or better still - tell your probation officer what you have been doing.

You and a few others have made it your lifes mission to damage my husbands plight for justice - your motives appear to be out of spite, jealousy and hatred and nothing more. Shame on the whole damn lot of you!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Stephanie Hall on June 14, 2012, 04:52:09 PM
This man knowingly befirended people who were dealing with trauma.

The subject, being an emotive one; gave him the right to say and do as he pleased - or so he thought!

Münchausen by Internet is a pattern of behavior in which Internet users seek attention by feigning illnesses in online venues such as chat rooms, message boards, and Internet Relay Chat (IRC). It has been described in medical literature as a manifestation of factitious disorder or factitious disorder by proxy.[1] Reports of users who deceive Internet forum participants by portraying themselves as gravely ill or as victims of violence first appeared in the 1990s due to the relative newness of Internet communications. The pattern was identified in 1998 by psychiatrist Marc Feldman, who created the term "Münchausen by Internet" in 2000. It is not included in the fourth revision of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR).

The development of factitious disorders in online venues is made easier by the availability of medical literature on the Internet, the anonymous and malleable nature of online identities, and the existence of communication forums established for the sole purpose of giving support to members facing significant health or psychological problems. Several high-profile cases have demonstrated behavior patterns which are common among those who pose as gravely ill, victims of violence, or whose deaths are announced to online forums. The virtual communities that were created to give support, as well as general non-medical communities, often express genuine sympathy and grief for the purported victims. When fabrications are suspected or confirmed, the ensuing discussion can create schisms in online communities, destroying some and altering the trusting nature of individual members in others.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C3%BCnchausen_by_Internet
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Stephanie Hall on June 14, 2012, 04:53:12 PM
He even feigned his own suicide!!! Which wasn't the first time!

Do you want him helping your loved one? I certainly don't!
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Stephanie Hall on June 14, 2012, 04:56:04 PM
This man has been doing this for several years and it appears people like Emma Bradley,Karen Torley to name but a few, have fed his clearly abusive nature for her own ends.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Joanne on June 14, 2012, 04:57:24 PM
What happened with the tests he has for Brugada syndrome or possible heart attack? Do you know?
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Stephanie Hall on June 14, 2012, 04:59:16 PM
What happened with the tests he has for Brugada syndrome or possible heart attack? Do you know?

He's a fraud! No more no less! Read his case papers.. they will give you a bit of a clue....
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Citizen Kane on June 14, 2012, 05:48:12 PM
What happened with the tests he has for Brugada syndrome or possible heart attack? Do you know?

do you mean aspergers syndrome?
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Joanne on June 14, 2012, 05:58:14 PM
No, I mean bruguda syndrome. He does have traits of aspergers, doesn't get on with people, doesn't understand irony, doesn't tend to mix/hang round with people etc, likely to 'snap' at any point. There might be a personality disorder going on. I had to google the syndrome he mentioned, I'd never heard of it. it was never mentioned when he got to London, just a lump on his head that he was going to see the cancer specialist about to get it tested (the lump, not his head.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Irony on June 14, 2012, 06:13:41 PM
No, I mean bruguda syndrome. He does have traits of aspergers, doesn't get on with people, doesn't understand irony, doesn't tend to mix/hang round with people etc, likely to 'snap' at any point. There might be a personality disorder going on. I had to google the syndrome he mentioned, I'd never heard of it. it was never mentioned when he got to London, just a lump on his head that he was going to see the cancer specialist about to get it tested (the lump, not his head.

His lies and deceipt have caught up with him, thats all. Didnt he try to go the mental health route to get a lesser sentence following the murder? It's called showing remorse, which he cant do. He prefers to blame everyone else for his own actions.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Joanne on June 14, 2012, 06:22:07 PM
I think he said no to that but I might have read it wrong, so I cannot swaer on it, I think they offered for him to go to Broadmoor or something. But you're absolutely right, nothing is ever his fault and until he realises it's ok to be wrong, things won't change, he reminds me of me but years and years ago.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Harvey on June 14, 2012, 06:32:07 PM
I think he said no to that but I might have read it wrong, so I cannot swaer on it, I think they offered for him to go to Broadmoor or something. But you're absolutely right, nothing is ever his fault and until he realises it's ok to be wrong, things won't change, he reminds me of me but years and years ago.
I have been reading about this guy and his band of followers and am horrified that such people even exist.  What do you think is their aim in life?

I see on the news that new laws are being broyght in to deal with internet paedophiles but I think internet stalking should also be brought ubder this legislation.   8((()*/
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: peteats on June 14, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
Cooooooeeeeeeey Kevin talk to us.  ?{)(**
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Joanne on June 14, 2012, 07:05:56 PM
The only sensible answer I can give (I can't say logiacl because there is not logic to anything in this) is they want the upperhand or to be 'admired', however it's a bit like the saying 'Actions speak louder than words' and the people who do help or good tend to get their heads down and do it, people like Sara Payne who had a terrible ordeal and wanted to change laws and got on with it. My friend did 13 years for a crime he didn't do, he knew he was damaged but studied while in prison and went on to forge a sucessful career.
I think there's probably better ways to educate people on things than by doing it the way KC has done instead of walking the walk but never getting anywhere and breaking promises. There are people who need help in all of this, as we know because we're all on 'Miscarriage of Justice', I don't know how to get people out, I don't know all the laws ans systems but I want to learn and I'm trying to, more so I'll work with anyone who can teach me things so I can help people.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: who is kevin cragie on June 15, 2012, 11:08:35 PM
does anyone know anything about the facebook group who is kevin cragie? someone has tweeted about this earlier this evening
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 03:51:39 PM
Karen Torley



    I will try to do this for you. I am no expert but can put together stuff. I am going to spend time going through your stuff and see what I can get from it to write so it is not your words and you cannot be accused of writing stuff. it will take me some time but I will work on it
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 03:54:50 PM
Craigies Angels



        They ruined my evening. Was going out earlier. Its just nasty when people attack someone who KNOWS they are decent through and through. They are HYENAS.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 03:56:45 PM

    Karen Torley



        I know your not. most of the names he uses are ones I know for 100 percent are made up Dr Sandra lol Cant she just be Sandra phd like normal folk lol
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 11:07:35 PM
Karen Torley



        oh aye I know but we all know who the s..m bags are
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 11:10:21 PM
Craigies Angels



    Its Hall, at the very most Hall and Janet Cunliffe. These people are so thick they dont understand what damage it would do to both their campaigns if the media had an insight into what they are doing. I wonder if the Daily Record did have a nosy on there.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 11:11:32 PM
Craigies Angels



    good idea. as I KNOW I have not deceived, conned, etc etc anyone. Its not in me.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 11:13:21 PM
Karen Torley



    i have a feeling there is something going on with simon and her
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Troll patrol on June 17, 2012, 11:14:23 PM
Karen Torley



    well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon  
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Are you sure about that on June 17, 2012, 11:20:01 PM
Craigies Angels



    good idea. as I KNOW I have not deceived, conned, etc etc anyone. Its not in me.

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Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Joanne on June 18, 2012, 09:14:09 PM
No it's not, you're full of sh** Mr C, thats why.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: realtruth on June 18, 2012, 09:49:36 PM
 8-)(--) lol Joanne
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: John on June 18, 2012, 09:54:29 PM
Karen Torley



    well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon


Come to think of it Wullie Beck would know all about 'hit and run' wouldn't he?  Wasn't he convicted of the armed raid of a Post Office van in Livingstone 26 years ago, a crime he denies to this day and also calls himself a miscarriage of justice?   hmm... 8(0(*

And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

Postgraduate law students Mark Allum and Ryan Jendoubi last week produced a response with the University of Bristol Innocence Project (UoBIP) to the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission, calling into question the evidence used to convict William Beck of armed robbery in 1981.

Under the guidance of Dr Michael Naughton, founder of the UoBIP, the students had seven months to compound a submission.

http://l2b.thelawyer.com/bristol-students-in-battle-to-overturn-conviction-of-alleged-armed-robber/1008991.article

Does calling into question evidence render someone innocent?
And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Nicholas on June 18, 2012, 10:04:21 PM
Karen Torley



    well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon


Come to think of it Wullie Beck would know all about 'hit and run' wouldn't he?  Wasn't he convicted of the armed raid of a Post Office van in Livingstone 26 years ago, a crime he denies to this day and also calls himself a miscarriage of justice?   hmm... 8(0(*

http://l2b.thelawyer.com/bristol-students-in-battle-to-overturn-conviction-of-alleged-armed-robber/1008991.article


And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

I wonder what Mr Mckie and his daughter will think of him when they find out what he's 'really' been up to?

This being the same Wullie Beck who openly says he doesn't support my INNOCENT husband Simon because of the treatment Steffie Bon received from 'the family.'

People like you make me laugh!  @)(++(* Grow up!!

At your age you should know better. And if you genuinely supported MOJ's you wouldn't be carrying on like this! Absolutely appauling behaviour! Shame on you!
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Nicholas on June 18, 2012, 10:12:11 PM
Karen Torley



    well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon


Come to think of it Wullie Beck would know all about 'hit and run' wouldn't he?  Wasn't he convicted of the armed raid of a Post Office van in Livingstone 26 years ago, a crime he denies to this day and also calls himself a miscarriage of justice?   hmm... 8(0(*

And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

Postgraduate law students Mark Allum and Ryan Jendoubi last week produced a response with the University of Bristol Innocence Project (UoBIP) to the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission, calling into question the evidence used to convict William Beck of armed robbery in 1981.

Under the guidance of Dr Michael Naughton, founder of the UoBIP, the students had seven months to compound a submission.

http://l2b.thelawyer.com/bristol-students-in-battle-to-overturn-conviction-of-alleged-armed-robber/1008991.article

Does calling into question evidence render someone innocent?
And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

John - I cannot comment for Dr Naughton but rest assured he has been appraised.

We all make mistakes, you included - but we must all remain focused on moving forward.

Let's leave the point scoring to the trolls and game players.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: John on June 18, 2012, 10:18:05 PM
Karen Torley



    well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon


Come to think of it Wullie Beck would know all about 'hit and run' wouldn't he?  Wasn't he convicted of the armed raid of a Post Office van in Livingstone 26 years ago, a crime he denies to this day and also calls himself a miscarriage of justice?   hmm... 8(0(*

And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

Postgraduate law students Mark Allum and Ryan Jendoubi last week produced a response with the University of Bristol Innocence Project (UoBIP) to the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission, calling into question the evidence used to convict William Beck of armed robbery in 1981.

Under the guidance of Dr Michael Naughton, founder of the UoBIP, the students had seven months to compound a submission.

http://l2b.thelawyer.com/bristol-students-in-battle-to-overturn-conviction-of-alleged-armed-robber/1008991.article

Does calling into question evidence render someone innocent?
And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

John - I cannot comment for Dr Naughton but rest assured he has been appraised.

We all make mistakes, you included - but we must all remain focused on moving forward.

Let's leave the point scoring to the trolls and game players.


Yes indeed, my biggest mistake was believing people were all as trustworthy, genuine and honest as myself. 

I suppose it is the law of averages, if Naughton takes on enough cases he might win one some day.  Pity about the poor b....rs who have lost out in the meantime though.
Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: Nicholas on June 18, 2012, 10:37:07 PM
Karen Torley



    well get concentrating on your synophis of your case for me please. We cant fight with them all day and night. lol I know its a good stress reliever to argue with them. what i love most is doing what Wullie and I call a hit and run post. Write something you know will really rile them and just leave them to rant for a day or so. Its hilarous. I will do one soon


Come to think of it Wullie Beck would know all about 'hit and run' wouldn't he?  Wasn't he convicted of the armed raid of a Post Office van in Livingstone 26 years ago, a crime he denies to this day and also calls himself a miscarriage of justice?   hmm... 8(0(*

And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

Postgraduate law students Mark Allum and Ryan Jendoubi last week produced a response with the University of Bristol Innocence Project (UoBIP) to the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission, calling into question the evidence used to convict William Beck of armed robbery in 1981.

Under the guidance of Dr Michael Naughton, founder of the UoBIP, the students had seven months to compound a submission.

http://l2b.thelawyer.com/bristol-students-in-battle-to-overturn-conviction-of-alleged-armed-robber/1008991.article

Does calling into question evidence render someone innocent?
And by the looks of it Dr Michael Naughton believes him.  I wonder why?

John - I cannot comment for Dr Naughton but rest assured he has been appraised.

We all make mistakes, you included - but we must all remain focused on moving forward.

Let's leave the point scoring to the trolls and game players.


Yes indeed, my biggest mistake was believing people were all as trustworthy, genuine and honest as myself. 

I suppose it is the law of averages, if Naughton takes on enough cases he might win one some day.  Pity about the poor b....rs who have lost out in the meantime though.

On this occassion; you can't say you weren't warned.

Re the 'poor b....rs who have lost out in the meantime though' -

Depends on ones perspective. If we look at victims of a MOJ as 'poor b....rs' we are already saying they have been beaten; they are below what is perceived as the norm... Does that make sense?



Title: Re: The Jury said No! The Judge said Yes! - Twice!!
Post by: John on June 18, 2012, 11:10:53 PM
My perspective on this is if they would concentrate on the cases which are likely to succeed instead of attempting to be all things to all people then the genuine cases might have a chance. 
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Post by: Bright eyes on June 19, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
KC hops from forum to forum like a rabbit  watch when he gets caught in the headlights   @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*  @)(++(*
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Post by: realtruth on June 19, 2012, 10:36:17 PM
 8((()*/