The National Archives

[Daisy]

I have just seen a news report on BBC Breakfast about Ian Brady. The journalist mentioned she obtained documents from the National Archives. Apparently every month thousands of documents are released to the National Archives which the public have access to. I went on the website and put in a search for Jeremy Bamber and there are over 240 documents held on him. Has anyone thought of obtaining these to see what they contain?

[Myster]

I have just seen a news report on BBC Breakfast about Ian Brady. The journalist mentioned she obtained documents from the National Archives. Apparently every month thousands of documents are released to the National Archives which the public have access to. I went on the website and put in a search for Jeremy Bamber and there are over 240 documents held on him. Has anyone thought of obtaining these to see what they contain?

Buried treasure probably... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=jeremy+bamber

[Myster]

The difference between Brady and Bamber is that the former is dead, so no need to keep his documentation out of the public domain.  Most, if not all DPP files on Bamber however are closed until 2054, unless there are sound reasons for revealing them before then.  So it appears that many clogs will be popped and buckets kicked before we're any the wiser.

A typical Brady page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16947590

A typical Bamber page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1687143   

[mrswah]

The difference between Brady and Bamber is that the former is dead, so no need to keep his documentation out of the public domain.  Most, if not all DPP files on Bamber however are closed until 2054, unless there are sound reasons for revealing them before then.  So it appears that many clogs will be popped and buckets kicked before we're any the wiser.

A typical Brady page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16947590

A typical Bamber page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1687143

Absolutely.   Myra Hindley's papers were released after she died, and are available for public perusal at the National Archives.

[Eleanor]

Am I mad in thinking that Jeremy Bamber might be innocent?

[Myster]

Am I mad in thinking that Jeremy Bamber might be innocent?

Dare I say Yes! 

[Eleanor]

Dare I say Yes! 

Yer.  Course you can.  But I have to say that I'm not known for my sanity.

[Daisy]

The difference between Brady and Bamber is that the former is dead, so no need to keep his documentation out of the public domain.  Most, if not all DPP files on Bamber however are closed until 2054, unless there are sound reasons for revealing them before then.  So it appears that many clogs will be popped and buckets kicked before we're any the wiser.

A typical Brady page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16947590

A typical Bamber page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1687143

Thanks for making things clear. However I thought all documents relating to an individual could only be kept away from the public for 30 years and that time frame has expired.  Why then aren’t these being released until 2054? If for any reason there is evidence of innocence and they know it and are keeping the documents hidden then that is corruption.

[Caroline]

The difference between Brady and Bamber is that the former is dead, so no need to keep his documentation out of the public domain.  Most, if not all DPP files on Bamber however are closed until 2054, unless there are sound reasons for revealing them before then.  So it appears that many clogs will be popped and buckets kicked before we're any the wiser.

A typical Brady page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C16947590

A typical Bamber page... https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C1687143

It's highly unlikely that there are a pile of documents sitting in the archives that detail an elaborate plot to frame Bamber.

[Myster]

It's highly unlikely that there are a pile of documents sitting in the archives that detail an elaborate plot to frame Bamber.

The powers that be have probably seen all that Monsieur Teskowski has put online, including sensitive crime scene photos and decided that no way will anyone else have the opportunity to do the same until JB expires.

[thedarkman]

These files are likely to be closed for 75 or even a hundred years. They will in any case be severely pruned and redacted; this is not America. To see what might happen, check out my Satpal Ram website, a 1986 murder.

[mrswah]

These files are likely to be closed for 75 or even a hundred years. They will in any case be severely pruned and redacted; this is not America. To see what might happen, check out my Satpal Ram website, a 1986 murder.

Thanks.   I hadn't heard of the Satpal Ram case. Always interesting  to learn something new, although I don't know whose website I've been reading!

[Nicholas]

I have just seen a news report on BBC Breakfast about Ian Brady. The journalist mentioned she obtained documents from the National Archives. Apparently every month thousands of documents are released to the National Archives which the public have access to. I went on the website and put in a search for Jeremy Bamber and there are over 240 documents held on him. Has anyone thought of obtaining these to see what they contain?

Am guessing this is what AA was on about

[Myster]

Am guessing this is what AA was on about

It will be a nice day out, but a wasted journey.  All Bamber's 247 files are closed until 2054...

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=jeremy+bamber

[Inspector Gadget]

It will be a nice day out, but a wasted journey.  All Bamber's 247 files are closed until 2054...

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/results/r?_q=jeremy+bamber

Can I ask a question please myster.
1) where are all the original docs from? The police statements etc? Are they readily available online or to the public?
2) what do you think may be in the withheld docs? Am I right I’m thinking there is more evidence that is likely to implicate him? Or could it be withheld for its sensitive nature? Or thirdly, could it clear him maybe?

Thanks in advance.