Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann

[Carana]

Forgetting about any emotive terms that may or may not be implied or inferred I find the stance of the PJ perfectly reasonable. Foreign police are on my soil taking an interest in my investigation and supposed to be behaving in accordance with EU guidelines. I would be all over them like a cheap suit just in case.

Quite possibly, but the original argument was that the LP were totally involved in everything that was happening. This may not have been the case.

[Carana]

Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

What stopped him from tailing the McCanns or the T7 right at the beginning? If he needed an official order, he could have asked the magistrate for one. I haven't noticed any correspondence to that effect.

I would have thought that tailing an LP officer could have just involved someone "accompanying" him to "assist".

[Carana]

They probably would, but the ego factor is very big in this case (Individual and collective).

There surely must be a natural resistance in Portugal, quite understandably, to SY and others walking in and going over their 'turf' - with the possibility that SY will make progress where the PJ and others have failed.

A very delicate situation at many levels.

Yes, of course, it's delicate, but it needn't have been. If the assistance offered at the start had been fully accepted, I see no reason why the presence of LP officers couldn't have been passed off as welcome help in a huge investigation. Countries regularly request and offer assistance in natural catastrophes, for example. Even within a country, extra manpower or expertise can be requested in unusual / overwhelming circumstances to lend a hand. There was nothing to be ashamed about, it happens all the time.

[Carana]

where ?

I've no idea. I was commenting on this post of yours

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Re: Latest news on the search for Madeleine McCann
« Reply #2194 on: Today at 07:07:36 PM »

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Quote from: Carana on Today at 07:01:37 PM

    That would seem to be your opinion. I haven't the faintest idea what you're basing that on. Could you find the page in the files that proves that Kate opened the shutters?


An opinion yes, and the only confirmed fingerprints are kate mccanns,and NO other corroborative evidence anyone else opened the shutters.

[Montclair]

A very good post Benice..he was "watching the detectives" instead of watching the suspects...what a brilliant policeman

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[stephen25000]

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They have to blame Amaral because they have no where else to go but the Mccanns, and that they won't face up to.

[Luz]

The McCann have provided the business of the century to the UK Media.
Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

Round and round goes the merry-go-round of the McCann machine lies.

From jemmied shutters and forced door, to opened back doors and exit by the window, from arranged abduction to burglaries gone wrong,...what else are the churnalists going to appeal to feed the McCann string of stories?!

The sad thing is that 3 prime ministers allowed themselves to be involved and so, to save face, the truth will never be revealed.

It is just a question of time until the wash is complete - maybe a question of negotiation between the 2 countries.

[Redblossom]

The McCann have provided the business of the century to the UK Media.
Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

Round and round goes the merry-go-round of the McCann machine lies.

From jemmied shutters and forced door, to opened back doors and exit by the window, from arranged abduction to burglaries gone wrong,...what else are the churnalists going to appeal to feed the McCann string of stories?!

The sad thing is that 3 prime ministers allowed themselves to be involved and so, to save face, the truth will never be revealed.

It is just a question of time until the wash is complete - maybe a question of negotiation between the 2 countries.

personally I don't see how either country could do any "whitewash" and also don't forget the Metropolitan Police's  reputation is on the line here which is a more serious matter than any stupid prime ministers! Diplomats or what have you

[Redblossom]

His book, presumably.


Two days later, English colleagues begin to arrive. The main idea was for the English police to place at our disposal two specialists in family supervision and support to be the link between the Portuguese investigators and the McCanns. The National Directorate of the PJ had authorised the arrival of these police officers in the context of international collaboration. Bob Small, an officer from the Leicestershire police, and one of his colleagues meet us to take stock of the situation and evaluate the needs of the investigation before making contact with the couple.

We insist on knowing what our English counterparts have come to Portugal to do. I assign one of my investigators to follow the English superintendent like a shadow and to keep me informed about his actions. I want to be informed of everything he learns, the names of the people he meets and the places he goes to.

Many thanks!
Sorry for late  reply too, just catching up

So one man tailed  (for reasons known only to them) not a whole police team as suggested...okey dokey, cheers

Now, who was it that had the Mccnns tailed? I seem to remember the British security services. Gosh, unless you live in these worlds you just don't know do you what things are done for! All you have are laymans opinions

[Benice]

Many thanks!
Sorry for late  reply too, just catching up

So one man tailed  (for reasons known only to them) not a whole police team as suggested...okey dokey, cheers

Now, who was it that had the Mccnns tailed? I seem to remember the British security services. Gosh, unless you live in these worlds you just don't know do you what things are done for! All you have are laymans opinions

I find it difficult to believe that one UK policeman who couldn't speak the language and had no knowledge of the area would be travelling alone.  I believe it was Bob Small who Amaral was talking about.    IIRC one of the FLOs could speak fluent Portuguese.  Maybe he accompanied him.

If you don't find the fact that Amaral's first reaction to tail the UK police was in any way unusual then fair enough.     Personally I think it speaks volumes about him.

[Redblossom]

I find it difficult to believe that one UK policeman who couldn't speak the language and had no knowledge of the area would be travelling alone.  I believe it was Bob Small who Amaral was talking about.    IIRC one of the FLOs could speak fluent Portuguese.  Maybe he accompanied him.

If you don't find the fact that Amaral's first reaction to tail the UK police was in any way unusual then fair enough.     Personally I think it speaks volumes about him.

Well you would wouldn't you, no surprises here Benice. Police all over the world work in various ways for various reasons and in various circumstances, without being privy to all that, anything you think ir say is just your personal opinion.

[Carana]

The McCann have provided the business of the century to the UK Media.
Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

Round and round goes the merry-go-round of the McCann machine lies.

From jemmied shutters and forced door, to opened back doors and exit by the window, from arranged abduction to burglaries gone wrong,...what else are the churnalists going to appeal to feed the McCann string of stories?!

The sad thing is that 3 prime ministers allowed themselves to be involved and so, to save face, the truth will never be revealed.

It is just a question of time until the wash is complete - maybe a question of negotiation between the 2 countries.

I'd agree with you on the phrase that I underlined: Never has so much rubbish been published and yet some, self assumed, intelligent people eat it with hook and line.

The disappearance of this little girl was tabloid manna for the UK and PT, primarily, but also for every other tabloid across the world, which simply copied what the rest of the press was saying.

Why apparently intelligent people continue to believe tabloids (in written or matinée show form) is beyond me.

ETA: There can sometimes be a detail that may be true, but sifting the wheat from the chaff isn't always easy.

[Sherlock Holmes]

You assume the PJ failed.

You do not know that for certain.

As to the relative success rates in crime solving, that would be an interesting comparison to say the least.

Evidence can only be found if it exists and if there is none for abduction ..............................

As to egg on the faces, what do we have to show for several million pounds of UK taxpayers money so far ?

When I say that things 'failed' in Portugal , (not a good choice of word I admit) I really meant that the investigation failed in producing results, i.e. did not get to the bottom of things. The case was closed, and no formal conclusions were made.

As for the financial costs of the current investigation, I don't think it's possible to judge whether that money has been well spent until the investigation is concluded.Then we can take stock, and discuss whether the result was worth the money. Until then, it is meaningless to say that however many million pounds is a lot or a little.

[Sherlock Holmes]

Pity he didn't put a tail on the McCanns with the same instructions when they hired their car, considering he'd decided from day one that they were the guility party.   He would have either caught them redhanded moving the body and it would have been game over, or there would have been no thesis involving the car for him to expouse.     Think of all the time and money that one simple act would have saved.

He put a tail on the UK policemen but not on the  prime suspects!   The mind boggles.

A magnificent insight.

[jassi]

When I say that things 'failed' in Portugal , (not a good choice of word I admit) I really meant that the investigation failed in producing results, i.e. did not get to the bottom of things. The case was closed, and no formal conclusions were made.

As for the financial costs of the current investigation, I don't think it's possible to judge whether that money has been well spent until the investigation is concluded.Then we can take stock, and discuss whether the result was worth the money. Until then, it is meaningless to say that however many million pounds is a lot or a little.

Many millions of pounds is definitely a lot. Whether it will be considered good value is yet to be determined.