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Offline Erngath

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #180 on: November 23, 2018, 12:02:01 PM »
Eh ? Can you give a cite where Amaral accused them of fraud and have you still not taken the time to read up on facts in the PJ files ?

Ignoring your rudeness once again.
By accusing them of lying about the abduction, does it not follow that they have committed a huge cover up and fraud.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Erngath

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #181 on: November 23, 2018, 12:03:18 PM »
Ah, Yes.  All of that money in The Fund, obtained by Fraud.  But didn't Amaral say at some point that this was a problem for The UK?

It would be if Madeleine's parents have told the lie they are accused of telling?
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline jassi

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #182 on: November 23, 2018, 12:12:17 PM »
Ignoring your rudeness once again.
By accusing them of lying about the abduction, does it not follow that they have committed a huge cover up and fraud.

Indeed it would, but any financial fraud would be in the UK and as such, outside Portuguese jurisdiction.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Erngath

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #183 on: November 23, 2018, 12:28:47 PM »
Indeed it would, but any financial fraud would be in the UK and as such, outside Portuguese jurisdiction.


Agreed but by accusing Madeleine's parents of lying, it follows that the other accusations are implicit.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Snowgirl

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #184 on: November 23, 2018, 12:32:56 PM »
Ignoring your rudeness once again.
By accusing them of lying about the abduction, does it not follow that they have committed a huge cover up and fraud.
You didn’t make it clear what kind of fraud .
His conclusion was that they had taken part in the concealing of a body which is an actual offence iirc .
« Last Edit: November 23, 2018, 12:40:24 PM by Snowgirl »

Offline jassi

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #185 on: November 23, 2018, 12:35:26 PM »

Agreed but by accusing Madeleine's parents of lying, it follows that the other accusations are implicit.

Yes. What is your problem with that position?
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Erngath

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #186 on: November 23, 2018, 12:39:37 PM »
Yes. What is your problem with that position?

Do I need to have a problem?
In my opinion it's Amaral who has the problem.
He has made accusations which he cannot prove.
I would guess you do not agree.
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Snowgirl

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #187 on: November 23, 2018, 12:48:36 PM »
Do I need to have a problem?
In my opinion it's Amaral who has the problem.
He has made accusations which he cannot prove.
I would guess you do not agree.
How has Amaral a problem ? The Supreme Court ruled he had a right to express his opinion . Added to which I will add and it wasn’t just his conclusion .

Offline jassi

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #188 on: November 23, 2018, 12:50:21 PM »
Do I need to have a problem?
In my opinion it's Amaral who has the problem.
He has made accusations which he cannot prove.
I would guess you do not agree.

Then you would be wrong.

I don't see that Amaral has any problem regarding the McCanns.
He won the legal case brought  against him.

You do seem to have a problem as regards Amaral.
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Erngath

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #189 on: November 23, 2018, 12:55:50 PM »
Then you would be wrong.

I don't see that Amaral has any problem regarding the McCanns.
He won the legal case brought  against him.

You do seem to have a problem as regards Amaral.

In what way?
Do you think it correct that he has made accusations which he cannot prove?
« Last Edit: November 23, 2018, 12:58:10 PM by Erngath »
Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline faithlilly

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #190 on: November 23, 2018, 12:59:50 PM »
In what way?

Your opinion on the fact that Rebelo appeared to also suspect the parents and their friends as his request for the rogatory interverviews and reconstitution shows ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?

Offline jassi

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #191 on: November 23, 2018, 01:06:10 PM »
In what way?
Do you think it correct that he has made accusations which he cannot prove?

He has made statements that he has not as yet proved.
That does not necessarily  mean those statements are untrue
I believe everything. And l believe nothing.
I suspect everyone. And l suspect no one.
I gather the facts, examine the clues... and before   you know it, the case is solved!"

Or maybe not -

OG have been pushed out by the Germans who have reserved all the deck chairs for the foreseeable future

Offline Erngath

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #192 on: November 23, 2018, 01:17:06 PM »
He has made statements that he has not as yet proved.
That does not necessarily  mean those statements are untrue

Nor is he likely to prove..
However at the time of writing his book, he  could not prove his accusation to be true.
Did he prove the truth in " The truth of the lie"
The answer seems to be no.

Deal with the failings of others as gently as with your own.

Offline Snowgirl

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #193 on: November 23, 2018, 01:17:53 PM »
In what way?
Do you think it correct that he has made accusations which he cannot prove?
Nor is he likely to prove..
However at the time of writing his book, he  could not prove his accusation to be true.
Did he prove the truth in " The truth of the lie"
The answer seems to be no.



He ? All by himself ?

[/i]A report by Chief Inspector Tavares de Almeida to the Coordinator of the Criminal Investigation

Where he concludes, after analyzing all the evidence gathered, that the child is dead and the parents were responsible for cadaver occultation, and the entire GROUP was lying since the first day of the investigation.

10 September 2007
(Processo: VOL ,X, p. 2587-2602)PJ Files


Offline faithlilly

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #194 on: November 23, 2018, 01:30:10 PM »
Nor is he likely to prove..
However at the time of writing his book, he  could not prove his accusation to be true.
Did he prove the truth in " The truth of the lie"
The answer seems to be no.

Rebelo also seemed to believe in the ‘lie’.

Two experienced officers believing the same thing. What do you make of that ?
Brietta posted on 10/04/2022 “But whether or not that is the reason behind the delay I am certain that Brueckner's trial is going to take place.”

Let’s count the months, shall we?