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Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #225 on: November 23, 2018, 06:32:08 PM »
As the McCanns found to their cost, despite being in Portugal. They claimed the libel trial;

was entirely focused on the effect of the libels on our other children and the damage that was done to the search for Madeleine.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/apr/28/madeleine-mccann-parents-win-libel-damages-goncalo-amaral-trial

What they didn't say was that their claims for their other children were disallowed and they failed to prove any damage to the search for Madeleine.
OK some parts of their claim was rejected but the initial award was sufficient in any case.
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Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #226 on: November 23, 2018, 08:33:01 PM »
OK some parts of their claim was rejected but the initial award was sufficient in any case.

The point was that they couldn't prove what they asserted. Telling people why they did it wasn't the same as telling people why they won, either.
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Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #227 on: November 23, 2018, 09:32:02 PM »
OK some parts of their claim was rejected but the initial award was sufficient in any case.

But it was to redress the balance not as compensation for libel.
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Offline misty

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« Reply #228 on: November 23, 2018, 09:52:53 PM »
But it was to redress the balance not as compensation for libel.

There had to be a tort committed for the balance to be redressed. What was the tort iyo if not libel?

Offline Alice Purjorick

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« Reply #229 on: November 23, 2018, 10:19:58 PM »
There had to be a tort committed for the balance to be redressed. What was the tort iyo if not libel?

It is fairly well laid out in the judgement which is posted a few times on this forum.
The judge of first instance ruled that, as a public official, Sr Amaral had profited improperly from information to which he was party and should not have done so as the obligation extended into his retirement.
The judge quite clearly states in her judgement the profit and interest should be given to the McCanns to redress the balance.
The higher courts did not agree with her judgement.
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Offline misty

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« Reply #230 on: November 23, 2018, 10:28:42 PM »
It is fairly well laid out in the judgement which is posted a few times on this forum.
The judge of first instance ruled that, as a public official, Sr Amaral had profited improperly from information to which he was party and should not have done so as the obligation extended into his retirement.
The judge quite clearly states in her judgement the profit and interest should be given to the McCanns to redress the balance.
The higher courts did not agree with her judgement.

How did the award of Amaral's improper profits to the McCanns redress the balance if the breach of duty of reserve was the only offence? That in itself, did not make the McCanns victims who required compensating for anything above the cost of bringing the action in the first place.

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« Reply #231 on: November 23, 2018, 11:34:27 PM »
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Offline kizzy

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« Reply #232 on: December 10, 2018, 04:08:23 PM »
I doubt it ever existed or he's keeping it a closely guarded secret.
If he is, then he is guilty of perverting the course of justice.IMO

I started the thread because I have only read parts of the book and did wonder if someone who has read the entire book could reveal if he has accused the parents of only one lie or several lies.
And did he reveal "The Truth" to the satisfaction of anyone who has read it?

if someone who has read the entire book could reveal if he has accused the parents of only one lie or several lies.



I would think the only sense to make of that - if the abduction didn't happen, it would have all been lies.

G A only gave his account of what he believed happened - his right it seems as an officer on the case at the time.

Offline G-Unit

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« Reply #233 on: December 10, 2018, 04:49:25 PM »
How did the award of Amaral's improper profits to the McCanns redress the balance if the breach of duty of reserve was the only offence? That in itself, did not make the McCanns victims who required compensating for anything above the cost of bringing the action in the first place.

It was Amaral's conduct which harmed the McCanns, said the judge. He failed to censor himself as he was expected to as a retired police officer. It wasn't what he said, it was what he did, it seems.

The judgement of personal censorship that can be directed to the defendant Goncalo Amaral seems evident, given the standard of article 487º, paragraph 2, of the Civil Code, being particularly emphasised by the way the events were organised chronologically - the disclosure of the investigation shelving on July 21, 2008, the book launch, its sale and the interview published on next 24th.

Therefore it will necessary to compensate the duly confirmed damage within the parameters of paragraph 4 of the article 496º of the Civil Code, those whom the defendant's conduct harmed - the claimants Gerald and Kate McCann.
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #234 on: December 10, 2018, 05:37:37 PM »
if someone who has read the entire book could reveal if he has accused the parents of only one lie or several lies.



I would think the only sense to make of that - if the abduction didn't happen, it would have all been lies.

G A only gave his account of what he believed happened - his right it seems as an officer on the case at the time.

Do you think a police officer's "belief" is a fair substitute for evidence?
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Offline faithlilly

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« Reply #235 on: December 10, 2018, 06:05:27 PM »
Do you think a police officer's "belief" is a fair substitute for evidence?

His belief was based on the evidence.
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #236 on: December 10, 2018, 06:14:23 PM »
His belief was based on the evidence.

Such as?
"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #237 on: December 10, 2018, 06:42:41 PM »
Such as?
You can always claim there were discrepancies, and non cooperation with the reconstruction.
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Offline kizzy

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« Reply #238 on: December 10, 2018, 08:06:16 PM »
You can always claim there were discrepancies, and non cooperation with the reconstruction.


Yes, the things that should have been done - yet wasn't.

If your child had gone - wouldn't you want to know where everyone was.

Especially all the backward and forwards that were done.

Seems not imo - the twins were still put in the creche next day.

Offline Robittybob1

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« Reply #239 on: December 10, 2018, 08:27:04 PM »

Yes, the things that should have been done - yet wasn't.

If your child had gone - wouldn't you want to know where everyone was.

Especially all the backward and forwards that were done.

Seems not imo - the twins were still put in the creche next day.
The parents had work to do.
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