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Offline G-Unit

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #540 on: December 14, 2018, 10:13:07 PM »
Is there a law in Portugal that states it’s ok to write accusations of criminal behaviour about individuals who have not been cleared of a crime but who have also never been charged?

Is there a law in Portugal that says people can't write a book explaining hoe the police interpreted the evidence gathered in a police investigation?
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« Reply #541 on: December 14, 2018, 10:16:34 PM »
Is there a law in Portugal that says people can't write a book explaining hoe the police interpreted the evidence gathered in a police investigation?
obviously not, even if you’re flat out accusing individuals who have never been charged with a crime of doing the most despicable things!  It seens you can get away with libel in Portugal (unless you’re libelling a judge, or the dead). 
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« Reply #542 on: December 14, 2018, 10:36:34 PM »
obviously not, even if you’re flat out accusing individuals who have never been charged with a crime of doing the most despicable things!  It seens you can get away with libel in Portugal (unless you’re libelling a judge, or the dead).

What's the difference between reading the case files and reading Amaral's book? The same conclusions are reached in both.
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« Reply #543 on: December 14, 2018, 10:43:05 PM »
What's the difference between reading the case files and reading Amaral's book? The same conclusions are reached in both.
Nowhere in the files does it say there is proof Maddie died in the apartment

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« Reply #544 on: December 14, 2018, 10:45:48 PM »
Nowhere in the files does it say there is proof Maddie died in the apartment

I don't think it says that in the book either.
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #545 on: December 14, 2018, 10:50:33 PM »
I don't think it says that in the book either.
It's in the documentary..I've quoted it many times

It says this in the book

 
More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.


Total BS
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Offline Brietta

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« Reply #546 on: December 14, 2018, 10:55:15 PM »
I don't think it says that in the book either.

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Gonçalo Amaral also reveals that PJ investigators came to believe that Kate would be willing to reveal, indirectly, the possible location of her daughter's body, whose death she admitted to a month after her disappearance.

In June 2007, during the interrogations, the mother "begins to report some information regarding the location of her daughter's corpse," reads the book, which will be presented by the retired counselor and former director of the PJ, Marques Vidal. "The corpse could be found in a sewage collector that ends at the beach of Luz, or on the cliffs at the source of that beach, which sometimes ran, "writes the author of the book.
https://www.publico.pt/2008/07/23/sociedade/noticia/goncalo-amaral-diz-que-madeleine-morreu-acidentalmente-e-que-pais-esconderam-corpo-1336365

'A Verdade Da Mentira', TVI Documentary
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"All I'm going to say is that we've conducted a very serious investigation and there's no indication that Madeleine McCann's parents are connected to her disappearance. On the other hand, we have a lot of evidence pointing out that Christian killed her," Wolter told the "Friday at 9"....

Offline G-Unit

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #547 on: December 14, 2018, 10:58:16 PM »
It's in the documentary..I've quoted it many times

It says this in the book

 
More recently, it's Eddie who helps to find a body buried under a flagstone at the former orphanage, Haut-de-la-Garenne, in Jersey, setting for a terrible case of paedophilia and child murder.

Once again it's down to English comprehension;

"Proof" and "prove" both come from the same word (Latin probus). Usually, "proof" is a noun that means "evidence", and "prove" is a verb that means "demonstrate".
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/10691/what-are-the-differences-between-proof-and-prove
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Offline Mr Gray

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« Reply #548 on: December 14, 2018, 11:05:54 PM »
Once again it's down to English comprehension;

"Proof" and "prove" both come from the same word (Latin probus). Usually, "proof" is a noun that means "evidence", and "prove" is a verb that means "demonstrate".
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/10691/what-are-the-differences-between-proof-and-prove

So where in the files does it say it can be proven ... Maddie died in the apartment
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #549 on: December 14, 2018, 11:08:40 PM »
Once again it's down to English comprehension;

"Proof" and "prove" both come from the same word (Latin probus). Usually, "proof" is a noun that means "evidence", and "prove" is a verb that means "demonstrate".
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/10691/what-are-the-differences-between-proof-and-prove

Where in the files does it say..



- From now on we have the certainty that there was a body behind the sofa before being taken into the parents' bedroom.




Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #550 on: December 14, 2018, 11:11:59 PM »
What's the difference between reading the case files and reading Amaral's book? The same conclusions are reached in both.
One is the files of a police investigation, a complete collection of statements that were never intended to be widely read by the general public , the other is a book written for profit which selectively assembles bits of information from the inestigation in an attempt to present a damning case against two people who were never even charged.  Am I going to get the cite that the McCanns were not libelled or not?
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Offline Mr Gray

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #551 on: December 14, 2018, 11:13:18 PM »
Once again it's down to English comprehension;

"Proof" and "prove" both come from the same word (Latin probus). Usually, "proof" is a noun that means "evidence", and "prove" is a verb that means "demonstrate".
https://ell.stackexchange.com/questions/10691/what-are-the-differences-between-proof-and-prove

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"Proof" and "prove" both come from the same word (Latin probus). Usually, "proof" is a noun that means "evidence", and "prove" is a verb that means "demonstrate". You prove that an accusation is true by showing proof.


So.. From your quote... You prove by showing proof.... So where's the proof.. ..there's no evidence never mind proof.. So BS.. As I demonstrated

Offline Alice Purjorick

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #552 on: December 14, 2018, 11:58:50 PM »
Is there a law in Portugal that states it’s ok to write accusations of criminal behaviour about individuals who have not been cleared of a crime but who have also never been charged?


That's only your interpretation. The Appeal Court and Supreme Court did not see it like that.
Have you bothered to read the judgement of the Appeal Court or that of the Supreme Court ?
They give good explanations.

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Offline Venturi Swirl

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #553 on: December 15, 2018, 12:01:01 AM »

That's only your interpretation. The Appeal Court and Supreme Court did not see it like that.
Have you bothered to read the judgement of the Appeal Court or that of the Supreme Court ?
They give good explanations.
It’s not only my interpretation though is it?  If the book isn’t one giant accusation of criminal activity, then what is it?
"Surely the fact that their accounts were different reinforces their veracity rather than diminishes it? If they had colluded in protecting ........ surely all of their accounts would be the same?" - Faithlilly

Offline Robittybob1

Re: What is the lie in Amarals book. The truth of the lie.
« Reply #554 on: December 15, 2018, 12:16:38 AM »
Chapter 12:
"Matthew said nothing about all of that, only "a definite light," in the bedroom. This is rather implausible: from his vantage point - the bedroom doorway -, the line of sight between the door and the window is limited to a straight line of close to 4 metres. Which means that if the window had been open, he would inevitably have noticed it. Why such vagueness? Another obvious mistake concerns the number of windows: he mentioned two, while in reality, there was only one. His wife repeated the same mistake when she stated that her husband had listened at two bedroom windows during his second round."

Rachael never went with Matt so whatever she says is just her understanding of the situation.
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