Does Cipriano's convictions let Amaral and the PJ off the hook?

[Mr Gray]

davel, did you click the links?

All reference to Lenora Ciprano (sp) have been removed.

It's no longer listed as a Portuguese torture case.

This is getting tiresome..what has been removed ..all references are still there nothing has been removed


BUT// But do you know why it is no longer listed as an ongoing torture case

[John]

That's the truth  nothing has been removed

Tell me Dave, does the 2013 Report refer to Dr Amaral or Leonor Cipriano?   A simple yes or no will suffice.

BUT But do you know why it is no longer listed as an ongoing torture case

Could it be because there was no torture?

[Mr Gray]

Tell me Dave, does the 2013 Report refer to Dr Amaral or Leonor Cipriano?   A simple yes or no will suffice.

No it doesn't..but this brings us to ther second untruth...why are they no longer mentioned

[Mr Gray]

Tell me Dave, does the 2013 Report refer to Dr Amaral or Leonor Cipriano?   A simple yes or no will suffice.


Could it be because there was no torture?

nope wrong there..the Portuguese court accept torture took place otherwise amaral and his pals would have had their convictions quashed

[John]

No it doesn't..but this brings us to ther second untruth...why are they no longer mentioned

So thank you for agreeing that something has been removed.   

Why have they been removed?  Is it because the case was such a mess or is it because Leonor has now been found guilty of perjury?  ..or is it that nobody cares any more?

[Mr Gray]

So thank you for agreeing that something has been removed.   

Why have they been removed?  Is it because the case was such a mess or is it because Leonor has now been found guilty of perjury?

Nothing has been removed its just that it no longer features..and the question is why is it no longer featured on Amnesties site

[Mr Gray]

surely if Amnesty thought they were wrong they would have printed a correction on its site this year

[Mr Gray]

I don't know whether to  or   

I've got a horrible feeling you're going to be right!

I am right

[Angelo222]

Nothing has been removed its just that it no longer features..and the question is why is it no longer featured on Amnesties site

Because nobody is interested in a child killer Dave.  a woman of few morals who allowed her brother to murder her own daughter.

[Mr Gray]

Because nobody is interested in a child killer Dave.

so why have they  been posting reports for several years re her torture

[Angelo222]

so why have they  been posting reports for several years re her torture

That was before the court decided she was a perjurer.  Amnesty cannot possibly be seen to be fighting the corner of such a person.

Anyways off for tea.

[Mr Gray]

That was before the court decided she was a perjurer.  Amnesty cannot possibly be seen to be fighting the corner of such a person.

Anyways off for tea.

Now you are quoting opinion just as serendipity was, so they fought the corner of a child killer but drew the line at perjury...sounds a bit silly angelo

[Mr Gray]

in my opinion the reason the cipriano torture case was not featured on the Amnesty site this year is that the case was concluded last year, torture proved and the perpetrators punished. As far as Amnesty was concerned the case was closed and finalised in 2012...no need for any further action

[icabodcrane]

in my opinion the reason the cipriano torture case was not featured on the Amnesty site this year is that the case was concluded last year, torture proved and the perpetrators punished. As far as Amnesty was concerned the case was closed and finalised in 2012...no need for any further action

...  but she's still in prison 

[Mr Gray]

...  but she's still in prison

what does that have to do with amnesty